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Week Ten Morning Aftermath: Colts 35, Patriots 34

In December 1995, the Cowboys and the Eagles got together in Philadelphia.  Late in the fourth quarter, game tied at 17, Dallas faced fourth down and one from its own 29. 

Coach Barry Switzer opted to go for it, relying on his Madden-style crutch play, “load left.”

As explained at the time by Timothy W. Smith of the New York Times, “load left” didn’t work on third down.  And it didn’t work on fourth down.

So the Eagles got the ball, and three plays later the Eagles scored the game-winning points via a field goal.

“It surprised us,” Eagles coach Ray Rhodes said after the game.  “But when you’ve been
on top as long as they’ve been on top, you take your chances.  But I don’t think you’ll see that again.”

Colts coach Jim Caldwell could have uttered those same words nearly 14 years later, after the so-inexplicable-that-the-word-“inexplicable”-doesn’t-do-it-justice decision by Patriots coach Bill Belichick to call for a short pass on fourth and two from his own 28.  (Here it is, for those of you who haven’t seen it.)

Nearly fourteen years ago, Switzer was labeled an idiot for opting not to punt.  His decision arguably was even more idiotic than Belichick’s because the Pats were simply trying to get a first down in order to ice the game.  Switzer’s teams still needed to gain another 40 yards or so in order to break the tie.

But there’s a fuzzy line between stupidity and confidence.  And Rhodes’ words resonate in that regard. 

“When you’ve been on top as long as they’ve been on top, you take your chances.” 

You take your chances, like wasting two timeouts because there’s no way you might need them for the purposes of challenging a questionable spot on fourth down or killing the clock if the Colts somehow should end up taking the lead. 

Here’s how Bill Belichick explained the situation after the game, following a jog to the locker room that included a camera man being knocked to the ground by Belichick’s right-hand man.

In other words, “when you’ve been on top as long as we’ve been on top, sometimes you take your chances.”

But sometimes “taking your chances” is way too reckless, especially when facing an opponent that can then take advantage of the situation.

Here’s how two veterans of the Pats-Colts rivalry, Rodney Harrison and Tony Dungy, addressed the situation during the NBC postgame show.  Harrison was remarkably candid regarding his lack of confidence in Belichick’s demonstration of confidence.

And so, in the end, this one won’t be remembered for one of the best performances we’ve seen from Pats receiver Randy Moss (nine catches, 179 yards, two touchdowns) or a back-to-form showing from quarterback Tom Brady (375 yards, three touchdowns, one interception) but for Belichick’s decision that he has more confidence in the ability of his offense to gain two yards on one play than in the ability of his defense to stop the Colts from gaining 60 or 70 yards on multiple plays.

The extent to which this one resonates beyond the 2009 season depends on its ultimate outcome.  By holding off the Bucs, the Dolphins crept a game closer to the top of the AFC East.  Though Belichick and company are justifiably confident that they’ll hold off Bill Parcells and company for the division crown, the fact that the Pats are now three games plus a tiebreaker behind the Colts with seven to play means that the road to Miami won’t be going through Foxborough, barring a successful visit by the Chargers to Indy in the divisional round.

Maybe Belichick will now redouble his efforts to erase the effects of that one horrible decision by turning things around, beating the Colts or whoever else the Pats face in the postseason, and winning the Super Bowl. 

That’s precisely what Barry Switzer and the Cowboys did in 1995, after one of the dumbest coaching moves of all time.

Still, if Pats find themselves in an overtime game during the playoffs, we hope that Belichick doesn’t try to compensate for last night’s decision by opting to take the wind.

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  1. red13 says: Nov 16, 2009 7:32 AM

    I don’t think Belichick was being confident or cocky, I think it was the first time I’ve ever seen Belichick play scared.

  2. cincyandrew says: Nov 16, 2009 7:35 AM

    obviously, heinsight is 20/20 here…
    if they make it he is a genius if he doesnt well…just read any major sports column.
    now putting this behind them. they patriots are still in the driving seat to win their division and make the playoffs, and just a game behind cincinnati for a first round bye.
    not the end of the world some people will make it out to be.

  3. DC_Bengals_Fan says: Nov 16, 2009 7:38 AM

    I’m not a fan of either team. But this wasn’t necessarily a dumb decision.
    What Belichick didn’t want to do is put one of the best 2 QBs in the league in a 2-minute drill where he’d be using all 4 downs. Give a team 4 downs instead of 3, they’ll score a lot more often.
    So here’s what Belichick’s saying: Manning will score pretty much guaranteed, from any distance, with 4 downs to work with. He liked his chance of getting a yard on 4th and 1 OR scoring a FG after Manning scored (hopefully quickly) from the 30 more than he liked his chance of stopping Manning on a full field.
    I’m pretty convinced the odds would back up Belichick. But that doesn’t take into account his pissed-off defense who’s not so happy now.

  4. Newguy says: Nov 16, 2009 7:46 AM

    If you are not going to punt, why do you pass on 3rd down? A run there forces Indy to take a time out or you get to the 2 min warning, and it potentially shortens the distance for the expected 4th down attempt. Back to back quaterback sneaks would have been better.

  5. patriotscpfc says: Nov 16, 2009 7:53 AM

    No mention of yet another Phantom Pass Interference in Polian’s new stadium?
    Or the awful spot on Faulk’s catch.
    But, it’s on Bill this time. He couldn’t even challenge the spot as between him and TFB they screwed up the timeouts.

  6. pfinfl says: Nov 16, 2009 7:55 AM

    Next time, BB will punt and instruct his special teams not to tackle the returner. Now he has Brady with the ball and two minutes to get a FG.

  7. Rex Grossman says: Nov 16, 2009 7:58 AM

    mind = blown
    pats d were forcing the colts to punt the entire first half! cant do it again with under 2 minutes left? stupid

  8. Profootballtalk Rocks says: Nov 16, 2009 8:01 AM

    Switzer went on to win the Superbowl that year which is not expected from the Patriots so this will be scrutinized even more because of Belicheats prior arrogance.

  9. stopwest says: Nov 16, 2009 8:05 AM

    “they got it in the red area”
    RED ZONE! RED ZONE!

  10. Bob S. says: Nov 16, 2009 8:08 AM

    More than Belichick! To call your OWN timeouts after you got the ball with just over 2 minutes to go by Brady? Then trying on 4th and 2 when it would be suicide if you failed? And throw to a receiver just around the first down line not even sure it is far enough? Mauroney just giving the ball away inside the one yard line when a sure score is to happen?
    If ever there was a FIXED NFL game this one was! And there sure was plenty of actionon it!

  11. JohnC says: Nov 16, 2009 8:12 AM

    If it wasn’t Manning I would agree this was a stupid call, but Manning getting the ball back with two minutes left and all three timeouts? I think this gave the Pats the best shot for the win.

  12. Tim's_Mom says: Nov 16, 2009 8:22 AM

    I don’t have a problem with the decision as much as the actual play called. Of course, it was a lousy spot. Maroney’s fumble is what really doomed the Pats….

  13. TheDPR says: Nov 16, 2009 8:23 AM

    It wasn’t the worst call ever.
    Faulk just didn’t run his route deep enough.
    And as an earlier poster said, they should have run on 3rd down if they planned on going for it on 4th.

  14. Bill In DC says: Nov 16, 2009 8:24 AM

    Umm, you spend the first half of the article recounting something that happened 15 years ago? Interesting choice since there are many others more recent you might have used, if you needed to at all.
    Your Eagles homerism and Cowboys hate is clearly something to behold. Were you wearing an Eagles jersey when you wrote that?

  15. birdmancometh says: Nov 16, 2009 8:28 AM

    I agree with the call. Game over if they make it. Coaches need to learn to go for it on 4th down more often. Unfortunately Kevin Faulk’s bobble set football back another 20 years.

  16. PFTiswhatitis says: Nov 16, 2009 8:28 AM

    Questionable PI call to give the Colts a comeback opportunity followed by a questionable spot on 4th and 2. Funny how this crap happens whenever the Pats are winning in Indy. Not as bad as other games but still pretty lame.
    Pats should have kicked it. At least their chances of stopping the Colts would have been better.

  17. Popeye says: Nov 16, 2009 8:30 AM

    Manning is simply the best of all time. Brady and Belly check know it and they didnt trust their own defense…..Im not even a colt fan, but I am glad when the arrogant patriots get their own a$$es handed to them…..

  18. Bill In DC says: Nov 16, 2009 8:31 AM

    Upon consideration I don’t think it was all that bad a call. If it had worked he would have been called a ‘genius, gutsy play caller’ once again.
    Given that Manning had just scored a TD in about .3 secs I think his thinking was something like, “Doesn’t matter where Manning gets the ball, he’s on a roll and my defense is gassed. He’s going to score, so my only chance is to keep him from getting the ball back.” I don’t have an issue with the call.

  19. JP Ryan says: Nov 16, 2009 8:32 AM

    I don’t think it was a STUPID call… but I do think it was a bad call.
    As a Colts fan I was watching last night and as Belichick went for it I said audibly “Holy shit, he’s going for it…” and not in an incredulous way but more in a “that guy has a serious brass balls” kinda way.
    I agree Belichick was scared of Manning and thought he’d drive on them to score if the field was 70yds or 30yds…
    It was a supremely gutsy call… if it had worked we’d be touting Belichick’s football genius.
    It just didn’t.
    Thank god.

  20. Bob S. says: Nov 16, 2009 8:37 AM

    JohnC says:
    If it wasn’t Manning I would agree this was a stupid call, but Manning getting the ball back with two minutes left and all three timeouts?

    Manning would have NO TIMEOUTS LEFT if Patriots had managed the clock right by NOT calling 2 of their own on those 3 plays and merely running the ball.
    Patriots were in the tank last night! Belichick is NOT stupid!
    Brady isn’t either to just go waste a timeout after the timeout of receiving the kickoff! They both turned stupid yesterday? Or the fix was in!

  21. wiley16350 says: Nov 16, 2009 8:39 AM

    To me I wasn’t against going for it, however the end result proved that my strategy wasn’t the same as Belichick’s. To me you go for it if you don’t think you’re going to stop Manning either way. So if you get the first down, game over. If you don’t then you will save Brady some time by giving the Colts a shorter field. However the defense came out and played to stop the Colts, which meant that Belichick believed in the defense’s ability to stop them. Well in that case punt the ball and stop them. My thought was let the Colts score if they get anywhere near the goal line and the Patriots didn’t do that. In fact the worst thing was when the Patriots tackled the Colt running back at the 1 and then proceeded to stop them again which killed time and only prevented the Patriots a chance to drive for a game winning field goal with over a minute to play. That’s where they ultimately went wrong and why I didn’t agree with Bill’s strategy.

  22. PervyHarvin says: Nov 16, 2009 8:41 AM

    I liked the call. Hoodie has balls and confidence in his O. Makes it,game over. If they made it and won, we all would be saying it was true Hoodie mastermind call.

  23. leatherneck says: Nov 16, 2009 8:41 AM

    Faulk did run his route deep enough. The pass from Brady was a duck that went a little high, and Faulk couldn’t grasp the ball right away.
    Chronologically, Faulk ran his route. His hands contacted the ball. The defender hit him and began pushing him back. Faulk brought the ball into his chest. Faulk made the catch. By then, the defender had moved Faulk inside the 1st down marker. Faulk was tackled. The ball was spotted correctly, at the point where the ball was when Faulk made the catch.
    Fourth down not converted.

  24. Bob S. says: Nov 16, 2009 8:43 AM

    Popeye says:
    Manning is simply the best of all time.

    Manning threw 3 interceptions last night.

  25. hayward giablommi says: Nov 16, 2009 8:55 AM

    I like that Bill went for it, liked it at the time and still agree with it. The poor management of timeouts, not so much.
    Earlier this year against Atlanta, the Pats went for it in a similar situation on 4th down, as deep (if not deeper) in their own territory, and got the first down. You live by the sword, you die by the sword, but I don’t think we’ll see the Pats going for it again in a similar situation anytime soon based on last night’s outcome.
    If the Pats played it conservative and punted, Peyton Manning was going to inevitably march the ball right down the field and score, so you might as well take it out of his hands and try to get the first down there.

  26. FireJerryJones says: Nov 16, 2009 9:07 AM

    Not sure why everyone thinks this was a bad idea.
    That’s Peyton Manning you’re punting to. Not Kyle Orton. Not Chad Henne. Not Mark Sanchez.
    Manning just drove the ball down your throat in less than 2 minutes. Your defense is gassed and he clearly is going to do it again with the no-huddle.
    Your QB is Tom Brady. He’s supposed to be your best player. You pay him a lot of money to get two yards.
    Didn’t execute. Start talking about the plays and get off the coaching. This battle was between Brady and Manning.
    Manning got it done. Brady didn’t.
    Great game.

  27. Filbertkiwi71 says: Nov 16, 2009 9:12 AM

    Stay classy Patriot fans.
    Many of you IMO, are hypocrites. It wasn’t that long ago, when people were squawking about camera gate, the tuck rule, etc. etc., and many Pats fans pulled out the jealousy/whiner card. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, who is whining now?
    I am not a fan of the Colts and I don’t like the Mannings, so I don’t have any dog in this fight, but it just turns out IMO, that some of the Pats fans are as big a whiners, if not bigger, as they accuse others fans of being. I am not surprised by it, many of the Patriot fans appear to be bandwagon fans anyway.
    The Patriots gained a lot of fans once they started winning Super Bowls. Once the Patriots start losing year in and year out, many of those fans will disappear again, until the Patriots win another SB.
    I remember when the Patriots had a tough time selling out their old stadium, pre-Kraft ownership, that was before the Patriots hit it big winning Super Bowls.

  28. trickbunny says: Nov 16, 2009 9:18 AM

    Bob S. says:
    November 16, 2009 8:43 AM
    Popeye says:
    Manning is simply the best of all time.
    ——-
    Manning threw 3 interceptions last night.
    ————————————————-
    There’s a sour grapes comment if I’ve ever heard one.
    So…… the best of all time threw 3 interceptions last night- and Michael Jordan missed a shot now and then- and Babe Ruth/Hank Aaron/Barry Bonds would strike out sometimes.
    So what?

  29. RexRyan'sStressedLapband says: Nov 16, 2009 9:20 AM

    There’s that “classy” guy again, leader of that “classy” organization. Way to go BB. Nice to see you stick it to yourself again.
    This game was awesome. Unstoppable force meets immovable object. It’s prime time, it’s close in the fourth quarter, and neither QB loses many games in this situation. Great mid season playoff atmosphere.
    NE plays the Jets, the Saints, and then the Fins come to Foxboro. The fish play Carolina Thursday, then go to Buffalo. So the game in NE on Sunday night could be huge, if the Pats lose to the Saints (F the Jets).
    There’s a lot of “if’s” to be figured out before that Sunday night game, but it appears the AFC East could be in for an interesting finish.

  30. OranjelloJones says: Nov 16, 2009 9:23 AM

    I’ll play devil’s advocate here for a sec.
    Going into that play the Pats had thrown up 459 yards of offense and Randy Moss was literally unstoppable. Welker as well was virtually a lock on a short yardage play. The Colts had upped their defensive play the last 2 -3 drives but they still had allowed those 459 yards and done jack squat to stop Randy or Welker.
    So Belichick had a very reasonable expectation of being able to get 1 yard. I’m amazed at who’s number they called though, a quick slant to Moss was a lock in that situation a quick slant to Faulk though? What, is he about a full foot shorter than Moss let alone the difference in their hands? Belichick outsmarted himself on that one.
    All of that said it was still an amazingly boneheaded call. No way, no how. If the opponent is within 1 score of a win ya don’t do anything but punt it on 4th and 2 from your own 30 even if it’s Danny Wuerffel behind center, let alone Manning. That’s just arrogance trumping intellect.
    Priceless.

  31. Quagmire says: Nov 16, 2009 9:31 AM

    “Maybe Belichick will now redouble his efforts to erase the effects of that one horrible decision by turning things around..”
    Does that mean that he already doubled his efforts & now will redouble?

  32. Pack83 says: Nov 16, 2009 9:31 AM

    Florio-
    The Colts don’t have a ‘virtual’ 4 game lead on the Pats…it’s a 3.5 game lead. If the Pats win their next 4 and the Colts lose their next 4, the Pats would be 10-3 and the Colts 9-4. If it was a 4 game lead, they’d be tied. The tiebreaker gives you that extra .5 lead. for example, the Bengals have a 1.5 game lead over the Steelers, and the Vikes a 3.5 game lead over the Pack.

  33. hayward giablommi says: Nov 16, 2009 9:34 AM

    “Many of you IMO, are hypocrites. It wasn’t that long ago, when people were squawking about camera gate, the tuck rule, etc. etc., and many Pats fans pulled out the jealousy/whiner card. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, who is whining now?”
    ^^^^^
    Uh, who is whining? I don’t see any whining here. Just objective analysis of last night’s game.
    “it just turns out IMO, that some of the Pats fans are as big a whiners, if not bigger, as they accuse others fans of being. I am not surprised by it, many of the Patriot fans appear to be bandwagon fans anyway.”
    ^^^^^
    You clearly are anti-Patriots, which is fine. Just stop insulting everyone’s intelligence by saying your an impartial observer. BTW, who’s whining here? Seems like you are the only one whining on this thread so far.
    “The Patriots gained a lot of fans once they started winning Super Bowls. Once the Patriots start losing year in and year out, many of those fans will disappear again, until the Patriots win another SB. ”
    ^^^^^
    Who cares?
    “I remember when the Patriots had a tough time selling out their old stadium, pre-Kraft ownership, that was before the Patriots hit it big winning Super Bowls.”
    ^^^^^
    I remember too. Kraft bought the team in 1994, and the team sold out every game between ’94 and 2001, when they won their first SB. What’s your point?

  34. Tyler says: Nov 16, 2009 9:53 AM

    If you don’t trust your defense and you do love your offense then let the Colts score on the first play from the 28 and give the ball back to Brady only likely needing to go 30 or 40 yards in a minute and a half to get your new cold as ice kicker a FG attempt as the clock winds down. That was the better gamble. Either way, great shot of hoodie grabbing his face with the “what have I done” expression.

  35. Bill Cowher's Chin says: Nov 16, 2009 10:02 AM

    I think Belichick made the right decision, and here is why. I will describe to you the chain of events that would have happened if New England punted
    The Colts would fair catch it at the 28 yard line, and start their drive from the 43, aided by a personal foul on the play, that NBC doesnt replay, because it didnt happen (like the personal foul “on a member of the Patriots” after the Leigh Bodden interception, that wasnt ever replayed)
    On the first play, Dallas Clark would have gotten a 14 yard reception, moving the ball to NE’s 43.
    On the 2nd play, Manning would throw incomplete, but get a first down because of a roughing the passer penalty, moving the ball to NE’s 28.
    On the 3rd play it would have been a pass interference penalty in the end zone
    On the 4th play Manning would have QB sneaked it for the winning TD
    I dont see where the mistake was made, the outcome was a foregone conclusion if Indy got the ball back………

  36. Kige Ramsey says: Nov 16, 2009 10:21 AM

    Classic case of a coach out thinking themselves

  37. JohnM says: Nov 16, 2009 10:27 AM

    Belichick got totally outcoached by Caldwell down the stretch. And the Pats better sign Larry Johnson pronto this week because Maroney is a bust. The team can’t count on Maroney on crucial 3rd down and goal line situations. You need a bruiser like LJ to compliment an explosive attack like the Pats have. It was also very stupid to call a 4th down pass play for exactly 2 yards! every receiver should have run 5 to 10 yard routes. A very dumb, dumb play. Brady would have been more sucessful running a sneak or delayed pass run for 1 yard. Like I said. Belichick got completely lost in his own head because he didn’t trust Maroney anymore for the one yard. I don’t think the defense was the issue with him at all. Both defenses made big plays against super QBs and Mega receivers at times. It was a lack of a sound running game that doomed the PATs and almost sunk the Colts.

  38. AmishGangsta says: Nov 16, 2009 10:29 AM

    Btw, did anyone catch one of Belichicks goons shove a cameraman to the ground as Belichick exited the field? It was BLATANT and if I were that camera guy, I’d sue the Pats for all they had.
    Belichick’s lack of class must rub off on his minions.

  39. John Murph says: Nov 16, 2009 10:35 AM

    Two points here – Faulk clearly had the 1st down and the spot was horrid. No juggle there to offset forward progress. The lack of a timeout hurt NE there, but who knows if they overturn that there in Indy at that point in the game. Also, if they were planning to go for it, they should have run it on 3rd down to make Colts burn one of their timeouts for you (or 2 minute warning) and you might have gotten it or had less to go. Plus you would have still had your timeout to challenge the play if it occurred outside of 2 minutes.
    Looking back on drive, the interference call on Butler was horrid and allowed the Colts to score their 4th TD before the 2 minute warning without using a timeout – similar to what Pats did to Bills in the opener.
    Colts have essentially wrapped up 1 seed, with Pats, Bengals, Chargers, Broncos, and Steelers fighting for 2 seed.

  40. runningamuck says: Nov 16, 2009 10:39 AM

    From MSNBC:
    Here’s how Bill Belichick explained the situation after the game, following a jog to the locker room that included a camera man being knocked to the ground by Belichick’s right-hand man.
    Also I remember 3 years ago, a game where after the Patriots lost, as Beli- CHICK ran off the field he pushed a punched and pushed a photographer to the ground.
    Losing with dignity I guess, what goes around comes around, Beli-CHICK is a bitch. The Patriots are aging and not the team they used to be….Beli-CHICK can’t handle it.
    What a bitch !

  41. epping16 says: Nov 16, 2009 10:51 AM

    Worste call of the year! When you make a stupid call like that you deserve to lose the game! To people saying you liked it…YOU ARE IDIOTS! There is no reason to make that call! Pats got what they deserved and we might be seeing the end of the dynasty!

  42. dashoe says: Nov 16, 2009 10:56 AM

    Anyone else notice that since the Patriots got caught cheating, their players haven’t been as “clutch” and their coach isn’t as much of a “genius”??? Hmmmmmm, puts a bigger stain on those championships if you ask me.

  43. runningamuck says: Nov 16, 2009 10:57 AM

    Only ramifications I want to see, is a 2 by 4 shoved up Beli-CHICKS ass !
    He’s such a bitch when he loses !

  44. runningamuck says: Nov 16, 2009 10:58 AM

    Only ramifications I want to see, is a 2 by 4 shoved up Beli-CHICKS ass !
    He’s such a bitch when he loses !

  45. hayward giablommi says: Nov 16, 2009 10:58 AM

    “Belichick got totally outcoached by Caldwell down the stretch. And the Pats better sign Larry Johnson pronto this week because Maroney is a bust. ”
    ^^^^^
    Yes and no…piss poor timeout management was very unlike Belichick. But LJ is not the answer for a variety of reasons. Fred Taylor and Sammy Morris had better return soon. They are far more effective in goalline situations than Maroney is, was, or ever will be.
    “It was also very stupid to call a 4th down pass play for exactly 2 yards! every receiver should have run 5 to 10 yard routes. A very dumb, dumb play. Brady would have been more sucessful running a sneak or delayed pass run for 1 yard. ”
    ^^^^^
    I thought they should have snuck it as well, but the time to sneak or run the ball would have been third down.
    “I don’t think the defense was the issue with him at all. ”
    ^^^^^
    I disagree. Down the stretch the game was eerily reminiscent of the ’06 AFCCG. Pats offense couldn’t put the game away and defense was no longer effective. Hate to say it, but as good as the defense played most of the game, I didn’t have any confidence that they could stop Manning and the Colts offense with 2 minutes left had the Pats chosen to punt the ball.

  46. SmackMyVickUp says: Nov 16, 2009 11:01 AM

    If his guy didn’t bobble the ball it’s a first down and Bill is a crazy genius. Considering how truly close it actually was it wasn’t a bad call.
    If it was a playoff game he punts the ball away.
    Colts got a few favorable calls, made the game a bit harder to watch. Seems refs are inclined to force more outcomes of games this year. Pats lost because of the calls, but Refs made it easier.

  47. thehoodedone says: Nov 16, 2009 11:07 AM

    Great game. Loved the call. Hated that the line judge was too involved in the play. His job was to officiate that play the same as every other play and he didn’t. He was ” an over officious jerk”. Still I think it was the right call.

  48. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Nov 16, 2009 11:15 AM

    How in the name of Touchdown Tommy Vardell did Belichick blow that one!!!

  49. danlinker says: Nov 16, 2009 11:20 AM

    dashoe has it right, pats just aren’t as “perfect” without the cheating. And it’s GREAT. Love watching those arrogant idiots lose.

  50. grogansheroes says: Nov 16, 2009 11:24 AM

    Great game that outdid the hype and showcased the superbness of the two best QB’s of this decade. I’m already looking forward to next year’s (hopefully) rematch and the playoffs.
    In the early 2000’s the Pats would have put a game like this by way of Willie McGinest sacking Peyton (vividly recall this happening several times) on 3rd down to blunt a comeback. Pats fans have known that our lack of a top notch edge rusher has been keeping us from winning the big games for several years. All the credit in the world to Peyton. He did it with the game on the line. The Pats offensive line did a great job giving Brady time in the first half but couldn’t keep Mathis and others out of their backfield in the second half. Conversely, the lack of pressure on Peyton by NE’s linemen in the second half wore the Pats secondary down and allowed Manning to sweep down the field with ease. If TB had the time to throw in the second half that Manning did, I guarantee the outcome would have been different. BB’s call was right on the money, given that the Colts had just scored on two drives of 2:30 or less. 7 or 8 times out of ten the Pats make the first down. Congrats to the Colts and hope that NE starts getting the bogus PI calls our way once in a while.

  51. grogansheroes says: Nov 16, 2009 11:26 AM

    Great game that outdid the hype and showcased the superbness of the two best QB’s of this decade. I’m already looking forward to next year’s (hopefully) rematch and the playoffs.
    In the early 2000’s the Pats would have put a game like this by way of Willie McGinest sacking Peyton (vividly recall this happening several times) on 3rd down to blunt a comeback. Pats fans have known that our lack of a top notch edge rusher has been keeping us from winning the big games for several years. All the credit in the world to Peyton. He did it with the game on the line. The Pats offensive line did a great job giving Brady time in the first half but couldn’t keep Mathis and others out of their backfield in the second half. Conversely, the lack of pressure on Peyton by NE’s linemen in the second half wore the Pats secondary down and allowed Manning to sweep down the field with ease. If TB had the time to throw in the second half that Manning did, I guarantee the outcome would have been different. BB’s call was right on the money, given that the Colts had just scored on two drives of 2:30 or less. 7 or 8 times out of ten the Pats make the first down. Congrats to the Colts and hope that NE starts getting the bogus PI calls our way once in a while.

  52. hayward giablommi says: Nov 16, 2009 11:29 AM

    @ dashoe
    Let me take a wild guess…your a Colts fan? Nice try, but Pats are 35-9 since they got caught “cheating”.
    Enjoy that one championship, pal. Interesting how the Colts are one half of the “Rivalry of the decade” but noone ever mentions them as the “team of the decade”…only New England and Pittsburgh are in that discussion.
    …and how ’bout ‘dese apples…San Diego is looking like a playoff team this year and is primed to end your postseason for the third straight year.
    Is there any fanbase more obsessed with another than Colts fans when it comes to New England?

  53. AmishGangsta says: Nov 16, 2009 11:44 AM

    Dashoe said-Anyone else notice that since the Patriots got caught cheating, their players haven’t been as “clutch” and their coach isn’t as much of a “genius”??? Hmmmmmm, puts a bigger stain on those championships if you ask me.
    Good call. Also, Brady has been Manning’s personal bitch for several years now. Gotta love it. BloatedCheeks fears Manning SO MUCH that makes an INSANE call like going for it on 4th and 2 on his own 28 yard line-thats the ultimate tribute to Manning’s greatness.
    Then he makes his usual “I’m a whiny little bitch who pouts like a 2 year old when I lose” exit, while one of his goons assaults a cameraman on the way.
    Classic.

  54. hayward giablommi says: Nov 16, 2009 11:49 AM

    “dashoe has it right, pats just aren’t as “perfect” without the cheating. And it’s GREAT. Love watching those arrogant idiots lose. ”
    ^^^^^
    Right, and after they stopped “cheating” they reeled off 18 straight wins. Great logic you employ there.
    If anything, last night proved why its smart to hang 50+ points on an opponent (or as you’d probably call it, run up the score) whenever possible, especially when facing an offense as potent as Indy’s. The game is never over.
    But I guess you simple midwestern folk consider that “arrogance” too, right?

  55. JohnM says: Nov 16, 2009 11:52 AM

    Hey Florio: Why don’t you guys in the media talk about the obvious mitigating factor in the recent Colts dominance of the Patriots. And that would be the NFL rigging the schedule whereby this game is always played indoors, in Indianapolis every single year to showcase a broadcast better. While I am not suggesting that the Belichick decision wasn’t flawed. There is a much bigger issue going on here. This game in New England would have turned out just the opposite, because Peyton and the Colts don’t play as well outdoors. In fact, I bet you they will lose at least 2-3 games before the season is over to outdoor cold weather teams. But this scheduling is totally ridiculous. The Patriots have had to play the Colts in Indy, during the regular season for the last four-six times in a row! If this is indeed a rivalry, it’s being faked and manipulated by the league against the Patriots. Make the Colts go to Foxborough every other year and see what happens. The NFL is faking and cooking the schedule very unfairly in this classic matchup, just to get a favorable broadcast environment.

  56. texasPHINSfan says: Nov 16, 2009 11:54 AM

    i didn’t think it was a bad call – i can definitely see the logic in it. everyone knows if peyton gets the ball back, he’s scoring.
    my problem was with the play call – and brady’s reads. if the safety valve doesn’t get past the first down marker, you’re doomed. that one’s on whomever called the play, brady, and faulk.

  57. Bengalicious says: Nov 16, 2009 11:54 AM

    @ hayward: You don’t see any whiners? Here’s a quick sample:
    Bob S: “Patriots were in the tank last night! Belichick is NOT stupid!
    Brady isn’t either to just go waste a timeout after the timeout of receiving the kickoff! They both turned stupid yesterday? Or the fix was in!”
    And Bob S again: “If ever there was a FIXED NFL game this one was! And there sure was plenty of actionon it!”
    Or John Murph: “Faulk clearly had the 1st down and the spot was horrid. No juggle there to offset forward progress. The lack of a timeout hurt NE there, but who knows if they overturn that there in Indy at that point in the game.”
    You see, this is the exact point filbert was trying to make. People call BS on pro-Patriots calls and sweeping spygate under the rug, and Pats fans’ response (perhaps rightly so) is to call people jealous whiners. But here, you guys lose a game and Pats fans have their tin foil hats securely fastened, calling it a conspiracy to let the Colts beat the Pats because they like the Colts better! Good grief. Or the suggestion that NFL officials might prefer the home team and not overturn a call on replay, even if NE had a timeout to use. Pathetic.
    Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic. If I were a Pats fan, I’d be on here denouncing that garbage, stat, so as not to be lumped in with these sore losers.

  58. shamalamadingdong says: Nov 16, 2009 12:03 PM

    Great game. Not the outcome I’d hoped for but you have to give it to Manning and the Colts. They made one more play then Patriots did through 60 minutes of play. End of story. As for us idiots who defend the decision to go for it on 4th and 2, check out this analysis in the New York Times.
    http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/16/defending-belichicks-fourth-down-decision/?hp
    Statistically speaking it really wasn’t a bad poison for Belichick to pick. Colts just came through when it came down to actual execution.

  59. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Nov 16, 2009 12:10 PM

    Too bad Belichick traded Richard Seymour to Oakland this year…Seymour would have made the difference in this game.
    Pats – 0
    Seymour – 1

  60. AutumnWind999 says: Nov 16, 2009 12:15 PM

    It didn’t work out, but Belichick definitely made the right call.
    Let me put it to you this way, would you rather bet on Tom Brady and the Pats offense picking up a 1st down on 4th and 2, or bet on STOPPING Peyton Manning from conducting a 70-yard TD drive with 2 minutes and a timeout? To me it’s a no-brainer, even though most coaches would play not to lose there and punt it away and probably lose anyway.
    A couple of other factors to consider:
    — The Colts still had to score a TD, which they did with ease and even milked the clock while doing it. After seeing Indy’s last two TD drives though, who really thinks they wouldn’t have scored anyway if the Pats had punted?
    — If Addai gets one more yard and scores on that run, Tom Brady and the Pats get the ball back with more than a minute to play. They only would have needed a field goal. Belichick had to know that if he didn’t make it and didn’t stop the Colts, there was a good chance the Colts would strike quick and the Pats would have still had a chance to engineer a FG drive to win on the other side. Of course, the Colts played it masterfully and didn’t allow that opportunity.
    It was a ballsy call by Belichick. And it was the right call. It gave the Pats the best chance to win.

  61. kpweaver27 says: Nov 16, 2009 12:16 PM

    I actually registered to put this guy in his place.
    “patriotscpfc says: November 16, 2009 7:53 AM
    No mention of yet another Phantom Pass Interference in Polian’s new stadium?
    Or the awful spot on Faulk’s catch.”
    The Pass Interference call on Austin Collie? Watch the play before you run your mouth, fanboy. Collie was completely body checked by the cornerback and every replay shows that. It was something he was even able to put his hand on the ball. You saw the play live and want to whine about it without seeing the full play. Watch the replay on blitz or sportscenter and then shut up, because Collie was clearly bodychecked. Notice how the defensive back never even argues the call? He knew it was coming.
    As for the spot with Kevin Faulk? Who else is arguing that? Belichick? Brady? Faulk? NFL Pundits? Once again, watch the replay. Slow it down so you can wrap your head around it. The spot was perfect.
    A Pats fan whining about the officiating is the ultimate in hypocrisy. The league has TWO rules unofficially called “The Brady Rule.” (Tuck rule and hitting below the knee of the QB.) It was a heck of a close game, a classic, and these two teams might see each other again. Save your fanboy attitude and just deal with the results. Your childish whining only serves to detract from the terrific game this was. Colts won this time. It matters more in January.

  62. hayward giablommi says: Nov 16, 2009 12:17 PM

    @ Bengalicious
    I don’t know if Bob S is a Pats fan or not. Most of what I’ve seen is giving credit to the Colts. It doesn’t matter anyway, because the the Patriot hater brigade has nothing better to do than villify Belichick, Brady and attack Pats fans ad hominem, and that will happen whether they win or lose. It bothered me for a while, but now I find it oddly sustaining.
    Bottom line is it’s a 60 minute game, Colts played for 60 minutes, Patriots didn’t, and thus didn’t deserve to win the game.
    By the way, nice win over the Steelers yesterday.

  63. shamalamadingdong says: Nov 16, 2009 12:24 PM

    Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says:
    November 16, 2009 12:10 PM
    Too bad Belichick traded Richard Seymour to Oakland this year…Seymour would have made the difference in this game.
    Pats – 0
    Seymour – 1
    Definately would’ve helped. Guess we’ll have to settle for the 2nd seed this year.

  64. shamalamadingdong says: Nov 16, 2009 12:28 PM

    hayward giablommi says:
    November 16, 2009 12:17 PM
    @ Bengalicious
    I don’t know if Bob S is a Pats fan or not. Most of what I’ve seen is giving credit to the Colts. It doesn’t matter anyway, because the the Patriot hater brigade has nothing better to do than villify Belichick, Brady and attack Pats fans ad hominem, and that will happen whether they win or lose. It bothered me for a while, but now I find it oddly sustaining.
    Bottom line is it’s a 60 minute game, Colts played for 60 minutes, Patriots didn’t, and thus didn’t deserve to win the game.
    By the way, nice win over the Steelers yesterday.
    Well played young man.

  65. hayward giablommi says: Nov 16, 2009 12:29 PM

    @ JohnM
    I am all for entertaining conspiracy theories, but you are laughably wrong. Ever since the divisions were realigned beginning in 2002, the schedules have been dictated by a set formula. the Pats play the AFC South every 3 years, and also face one team from the AFC South in the other years according to what place the teams finish the previous year.
    The Pats hosted the Colts in 2003, 04, 05 and 06 during the regular season. The Colts hosted the Pats in 07, 08 and 09. This is pretty common knowledge.

  66. hayward giablommi says: Nov 16, 2009 12:36 PM

    @ Asswipe
    That is easily the least insightful summary of last night’s game that I have seen so far.
    If you really think that Richard Seymour was the deciding factor in whether the Patriots won or lost, then you know less about football then I gave you credit for…which was pretty much zero to begin with. Wowser

  67. BENACCI says: Nov 16, 2009 12:36 PM

    Please Patriots fan explain why your own Ex players such as Harrison and Bruscie(sp?) are calling out your Coach on the call?
    Please explain how if a wide rec is slowing down and going for the ball that a CB that runs into him is not Pass Interference?
    Please explain how bobbling the ball is possession at that part of the field?
    And why are you calling the ref’s calls Fixed? Really? Really?
    I am a Colts’ fan… I think we got lucky, I also think we capitalized on Pats’ bad decision and bad playing in the end.

  68. dashoe says: Nov 16, 2009 12:42 PM

    Bob S. says:
    November 16, 2009 8:43 AM
    Popeye says:
    Manning is simply the best of all time.

    Manning threw 3 interceptions last night.
    _______________________________
    LOL! and he still won the game. Thats greatness.

  69. ColtFan21 says: Nov 16, 2009 12:43 PM

    I think the “fix” conspirators are right…
    The NFL is in cahoots with the Colts organization, so every big game is pre-scheduled to be played in Indy, which obviously favors the Colts, because they SUCK outdoors. Even though they won the Superbowl in constant rain, while running and throwing the ball basically as they pleased. Granted, the Pats owned us in the early half of the decade (especially at NE), but it’s time for the Pats whiners on here to man up.
    I know I would be so mad my hair would be on fire if Caldwell pulled what BB tried last night. But I wouldn’t be whining about PI calls, home-field official bias, or “the fix”. If you think the NFL fixes games, you are in it way too deep. Get help immediately…I’m sure your loved ones would appreciate your return from la-la land.

  70. simple_simon1 says: Nov 16, 2009 12:58 PM

    o me, not a fan of either team, I’d say that it was the call I would have made as well. I find it terribly fortunate that the refs decided to make the spot of the football easily 1 full yard back of where he got control of the ball, but oh well.
    Trust me on this Indy fans. You guys pulled one out of your ass last night with some help along the way on the last two TD drives. You can all be happy for now.
    I’m going to guess there isn’t a single player in that locker room that feels confident if you have to play the Patriots again. Indy was brutally dominated for most of the game. The defense couldn’t do anything and got a couple very fortunate, fluke turnovers.
    Enjoy the feeling for now. If you play the Pats in the playoffs, you won’t be in the game by halftime, guaranteed.

  71. simple_simon1 says: Nov 16, 2009 1:00 PM

    ColtFan21:
    Funny. I remember years of Peyton whining to have rules changed because of so-called penalties that should have been called

  72. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Nov 16, 2009 1:09 PM

    hayward says: “If you really think that Richard Seymour was the deciding factor in whether the Patriots won or lost, then you know less about football then I gave you credit for…which was pretty much zero to begin with. Wowser”
    Yeah, that sieve on the right side of the Pats defensive line that opened up (like Noah parting the red sea) for Addai to run down to the 1 yard line the play before Wayne’s td catch has nothing to do with Seymour not being there…LOL.
    The real humor is in not recognizing Richard Seymour as worth at least one down turning play during this game.
    How does a guy like Seymour go from being in every conversation about how great the Pats defense is…to in a matter of three months time being a guy who wouldn’t make a difference in games if he were here?

  73. ColtFan21 says: Nov 16, 2009 1:20 PM

    Simon:
    That’s true, but that doesn’t top the (not one) two unofficial “Brady” rules that someone mentioned before in this thread.
    Nor does it top your head coach getting caught secretly videotaping another team’s practices. I know that’s neither here nor there. But my post specifically was talking about last night’s game, not something several seasons ago.
    Colts 35, Pats 34. Next game…

  74. Bengalicious says: Nov 16, 2009 1:20 PM

    @ hayward:
    I feel pretty confident presuming that Bob S is a Patriots fan, but whatevs, you see my point. Colts won it fair and square.
    And I see yours. People do love to hate the Pats, but I’m sure you’re used to it by now. Seems to me a “good problem” to have, as it were.
    Regardless, even though it sounds strange, you gotta feel pretty good about that loss — I think Indy was exposed by the Patriots (if they weren’t already last week squeaking one out against Houston), and I don’t think the game goes the same way next time. Colts practically have no gimmes left on their schedule besides Buffalo in Wk 17 – I don’t see them staying undefeated for long. In fact, they may not get past Baltimore next week.
    Thanks for the props on Cincy’s win. We may very well see you in the playoffs — AT Cincy (I hope)!

  75. Terry says: Nov 16, 2009 1:21 PM

    BB did not get to where he is by doing/thinking like every other coach in the league. If, by chance, he’s faced with this exact scenario in the playoffs, again against Payton Manning, i’d be real surprised if he doesn’t do the exact same thing.

  76. Tim's_Mom says: Nov 16, 2009 1:30 PM

    Asswipe: Moses parted the Red Sea, not Noah…

  77. Paul_R. says: Nov 16, 2009 1:39 PM

    Bengalicious says: November 16, 2009 11:54 AM
    @ hayward: You don’t see any whiners? Here’s a quick sample:
    Bob S: “Patriots were in the tank last night! Belichick is NOT stupid!
    Brady isn’t either to just go waste a timeout after the timeout of receiving the kickoff! They both turned stupid yesterday? Or the fix was in!”
    And Bob S again: “If ever there was a FIXED NFL game this one was! And there sure was plenty of actionon it!”
    Or John Murph: “Faulk clearly had the 1st down and the spot was horrid. No juggle there to offset forward progress. The lack of a timeout hurt NE there, but who knows if they overturn that there in Indy at that point in the game.”
    You see, this is the exact point filbert was trying to make.”
    __________________________________
    First, congrats on the Bengals winning at the Ketchup. Hard-nosed, gritty win.
    Now, you might want to understand this, not everyone posting here is a Patriots fan, so you cannot necessarily classify any of those posters as Patriots fans. There could be any number of people who simply want to chime in and who may actually be more anti-Colts or anti-Peyton. To prove a point, you posted and you’re neither a Patriots or Colts fan. And, you have an opinion, like everyone else who posted.
    I’m a Patriots fan. I have no problem with the call. The Patriots offense had done very well nearly all game with a very few hiccups. I think the chances of it working were better than 50/50. But, no matter the play call, it’s the players who either execute or don’t, simple as that. Brady said, “I love the call. I love the fact that we’re out there with a chance to win. The coach has confidence that we can make it. I had confidence. We all did.”
    I’m sure the whole team had confidence, including the defense because they’ve seen what Brady and the offense has pretty much done all season and all game prior to that play. They feed off the energy that the offense brings. So, I personally don’t believe that this one play or this one game will have any after-effects on the defense or any other part of the team. Belichick will have them preparing for their next opponent and this game is now in the past. Seven more regular-season games to go and they always take them one-at-a-time. Belichick, Brady, Moss, Welker, and everyone else knows that the only goal is to make it to the “second season” where every team starts off “0-0″.

  78. hayward giablommi says: Nov 16, 2009 1:46 PM

    @ Bengalicious
    Interesting point you make about feeling “good” about the loss. Strangely, I came away not feeling the angst I usually feel following a Patriots loss. My feeling is that if they get through this four game stretch (Miami, Indy, Jesters and Saints) at 3-1, they’ll be in very good shape entering December.
    With that said, my biggest disappointment is that the loss pretty much eliminated any chance of getting home field advantage, and puts them behind the 8-ball as far as getting a first round bye in the playoffs.

  79. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Nov 16, 2009 1:49 PM

    Tim’s_Mom says:
    “Asswipe: Moses parted the Red Sea, not Noah…”
    Whichever one of them did it, didn’t have Richard Seymour to contend with either…

  80. hayward giablommi says: Nov 16, 2009 1:51 PM

    “Yeah, that sieve on the right side of the Pats defensive line that opened up (like Noah parting the red sea) for Addai to run down to the 1 yard line the play before Wayne’s td catch has nothing to do with Seymour not being there…LOL.”
    ^^^^^^
    I’m sure that had absolutely nothing to do with Jarvis Green and Ty Warren being inactive for the game. Nothing at all.
    Nice try though.

  81. Bill Cowher's Chin says: Nov 16, 2009 2:02 PM

    I have seen a lot of comments that the spot was perfect. Are you serious??? The spot was almost a full yard short. I agree, that Faulk didnt get the first down, because of the original bobble, but that ball should have been spotted close enough to get a measurement. The measurement would have ultimately been short, as I said, and Indy would have taken over, but that was a bad spot.
    Faulk bobbled the ball, and then gained control prior to getting hit (if he didnt have control prior to getting hit, he doesnt make the catch), and Bullitt made contact with him right at the 30 yard line, not the 29. But getting close to the 30, and getting past the 30, are 2 completely different things…..

  82. Occam says: Nov 16, 2009 2:13 PM

    “”dashoe has it right, pats just aren’t as “perfect” without the cheating. And it’s GREAT. Love watching those arrogant idiots lose. ”
    ^^^^^
    Right, and after they stopped “cheating” they reeled off 18 straight wins. Great logic you employ there. ”
    Ouch. Bitch-slapped.

  83. CornFlorio says: Nov 16, 2009 2:27 PM

    hayward giablommi says:
    November 16, 2009 1:51 PM
    “Yeah, that sieve on the right side of the Pats defensive line that opened up (like Noah parting the red sea) for Addai to run down to the 1 yard line the play before Wayne’s td catch has nothing to do with Seymour not being there…LOL.”
    ^^^^^^
    I’m sure that had absolutely nothing to do with Jarvis Green and Ty Warren being inactive for the game. Nothing at all.
    Nice try though.
    _______
    About as much as Tom Brady’s very good passing night did due to the fact that the Colts were without Bob Sanders, Marlon Jackson, etc. Try taking off the blinders, haywoodjablowtheentirepatsteam. You are the biggest crybaby here, without a doubt. A real Pats fan pussy.
    For the rest of you, here’s a quick one-word translation of all of haywoodjablowtheentirepatsteam:
    WAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

  84. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Nov 16, 2009 2:56 PM

    shamalama and hayward, one of you boys go fetch me Belichick’s olive stretcher and we’ll talk…

  85. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Nov 16, 2009 3:13 PM

    Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says:
    November 16, 2009 1:09 PM
    The real humor is in not recognizing Richard Seymour as worth at least one down turning play during this game.
    How does a guy like Seymour go from being in every conversation about how great the Pats defense is…to in a matter of three months time being a guy who wouldn’t make a difference in games if he were here?
    # shamalamadingdong says: November 16, 2009 2:18 PM
    We’ll live with the occasional call that doesn’t pan out. We’ll live with the occasional personel blunder.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Okay, as long as you are agreeing with me in admitting the Seymour trade and Vardell picks were weak sauce, we’re good then…just like last’s nights 4th and 2 call…weak sauce.

  86. this class sucks says: Nov 16, 2009 3:43 PM

    Since I’m sure every body here who is defending the call has plenty of madden coaching expereience, and I am better than everyone here at Madden, I think I will give my madden point of view. If you punt it away you are giving it to the best QB in the game today (who didn’t cheat) but him and his team are not
    perfect. If they throw a pick or have a fumble it’s over. If you punted it to say the 30 with no return. And the average Peyton play is like 3-5 yards than that could be at least 5-10 plays. So that’s 5-10 chances at a turn over. My problem with going for it their is you give the colts the chance to run down the clock with no fear. Had they had to drive from the other 30 they would have to be watching the clock, and wouldn’t have been able to run. This is one of those play calls that if he gets it, he got away with one because there is no reason to go for it. I think he is just truly that arrogant. And WTF was with the hand shake? Caldwell isn’t magini last time u checked, why does this guy who has yet to win a SB with out cheating think he is so awesome?

  87. Hackpiper says: Nov 16, 2009 4:01 PM

    OK…Pats fan here.
    Lots of the expected anti-Pats glee here from the usual suspects. Who cares. The reason they hate the Pats is because its a winning squad with a pretty decent record in some big games. They also usually come from…uh…one loserville or another. At least I haven’t read any of the stupid comments about how much they hate Massachusetts and such. Congratulations on that.
    I didn’t like the call. But I have to admit that it was gutsy in some regards. The gamble didn’t pay off, so BB is wearing the goat hat today. This shall pass, regardless of what the talking heads and bloviators say to fill up air time between ads.
    What I DID like was the clear evidence that the Pats are back, in a big way. The dumb playcall and bad breaks don’t change that. Brady is clearly right up there with Manning, and its fun to watch them in action. Both lines looked pretty good.
    The full tale will be told over the next few weeks. I look forward to a rematch in Indy. Will Bill Polian crank up the heat in the dome again to bug the Pats? :)

  88. Hackpiper says: Nov 16, 2009 4:05 PM

    “….this guy who has yet to win a SB with out cheating”

    And yet another one of these types. Obsess much?

  89. hayward giablommi says: Nov 16, 2009 4:12 PM

    Really, Asswipe, you gotta move on from this Richard Seymour talk. The Pats won many, many games without him…like in 2004, when he was out for both the Colts and Steelers playoff games, both games which the Pats dominated…and 2007, when he missed the first six games, yet they started 6-0…among other stertches he’s missed due to injury.
    Like I said before, Jarvis Green and Ty Warren were inactive last night. Why waste your time talking about a guy who’s not there, and who would have walked after this year with the Pats getting zero compensation?
    Instead the Pats get a high first round draft pick…if nothing is out there, they’ll move the pick for someone or something else. Really, are you that stupid that you don’t see who got the better end of that deal?

  90. shamalamadingdong says: Nov 16, 2009 4:37 PM

    Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says:
    November 16, 2009 2:56 PM
    shamalama and hayward, one of you boys go fetch me Belichick’s olive stretcher and we’ll talk…
    Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says:
    November 16, 2009 3:13 PM
    Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says:
    November 16, 2009 1:09 PM
    The real humor is in not recognizing Richard Seymour as worth at least one down turning play during this game.
    How does a guy like Seymour go from being in every conversation about how great the Pats defense is…to in a matter of three months time being a guy who wouldn’t make a difference in games if he were here?
    # shamalamadingdong says: November 16, 2009 2:18 PM
    We’ll live with the occasional call that doesn’t pan out. We’ll live with the occasional personel blunder.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Okay, as long as you are agreeing with me in admitting the Seymour trade and Vardell picks were weak sauce, we’re good then…just like last’s nights 4th and 2 call…weak sauce.
    I’m not sure if you’re genuinely stupid or you just like presenting these weak strawman arguments for your own amusement. I’m guessing it’s a little of both. So go ahead and cherry pick as many stats or facts as you want to back up your “weak sauce” arguments. The fact of the matter is the AFC is down to handful of teams with a chance to take it to the house, and one of them is New England. It’s been the case every year for the past decade and will continue into the forseeable future.

  91. Bob S. says: Nov 16, 2009 4:38 PM

    Chances of LOSING are FAR greater if you give them the ball on your own 30 yard line with over 2 minutes to play by calling 2 timeouts yourself THAN it is to NOT CALL 2 TIMEOUTS YOURSELF WITH 2:20 SECONDS LEFT IN GAME AND RUN THE BALL 3 TIMES TO FORCE THE COLTS TO HAVE NO TIMEOUTS LEFT and probably under 2 minutes on the clock IF YOU DONT MAKE THE FIRST DOWN ON THOSE THREE RUNS THEN YOU PUNT THEM THE BALL AND THEY HAVE 70-80 YARDS TO GO AND NO TIMEOUTS AND NEED A TD OR LOSE by giving them the ball on their own 30 yardline!
    PATRIOTS ALREADY HAD INTERCEPTED MANNING TWICE IN THAT GAME!
    THIS COLTS OFFENSE WAS MISSING GONZALEZ AND CLARK WAS JUST ABOUT SHUT COMPLETELY DOWN.
    BRADY AND BELICHICK BOTH TURNED STUPID YESTERDAY? I THINK NOT! THEY TANKED THE GAME!
    Note- in that case that should be the new NFL strategy if you are 4th and 2 on your own 28 up less than 7 points first of course use up your own timeouts so you cant stop the clock if the other team does get it back? NO WAY! ANYONE WHO DOES OR DID IT WAS DUBBED A COMPLETE IDIOT!
    Belichick is not – he AND BRADY were told to tank this game and both he and Brady did when they had to after making it appear like they were trying to win earlier in the game.
    Note- first Brady wanted to go for it, but kicking team came out, then after another ludicrous timeout Belichick and him agree to try for it and throws a pass just as far as the marker where it wasn’t even sure if it would get the first down.
    Then when Colts running back is going into endzone why did the Patriots tackle him on the 1?????? They still would have had at least 45 seconds AND all they needed was to get back into field position and Brady was already at 375 yards passing?
    Patriot cheaters tanked this game!
    to show you the absurdity and the lies- brady then post game says he supports belichick’s call BUT the fact is immediately after the 3rd down play it was brady on the field yelling and signaling to belichick that he wanted to go for it!

  92. hayward giablommi says: Nov 16, 2009 4:50 PM

    @ Bob S.
    How much money did you lose on the game big guy?

  93. WastingTime says: Nov 16, 2009 4:53 PM

    I am an Indy fan and love this matchup every season. When I saw the Patriots going for it on the 4th down, I said in a calm and cool voice, “The Colts are about to win this game.” You could feel it coming at that point…Patriots were running scared. I realized then how much respect they have for my Colts!

  94. Occam says: Nov 16, 2009 5:44 PM

    “….to show you the absurdity and the lies- brady then post game says he supports belichick’s call BUT the fact is immediately after the 3rd down play it was brady on the field yelling and signaling to belichick that he wanted to go for it!”
    This is your mind on drugs.

  95. overkil2 says: Nov 16, 2009 7:13 PM

    He had the sack to go for it, kudos to him. They should have run a 3 yard play just to be safe.
    Every football sense tells you to punt the ball in this situation. If you think Manning is going to score on you with 60-80 yards to go, what do you think he’ll do withonly 28 yeards?
    Also, on 4th and 2 to go, teams that run the ball make it 65+% of the time where teams that pass the ball only make it 44% of the time. Go with the better percentage play.

  96. Ufanforreal says: Nov 16, 2009 7:32 PM

    # Rex Grossman says: November 16, 2009 7:58 AM
    mind = blown
    pats d were forcing the colts to punt the entire first half! cant do it again with under 2 minutes left? stupid
    ——————————————————Lets see the Colts had just scored 2 touchdowns in the 4,one took 2:04 the other 1:49 yet you’re talking about what happen in the first quarter.
    You could bet that if Belichick had punted Manning would have had enough time to score a touchdown.
    They talk about Belichick disrespecting his D the fact is his D was gassed.The D couldn’t stop Manning from scoring the last two touchdowns because of it let alone trying to stop the third with Manning running a faster no huddle game.

  97. Richm2256 says: Nov 16, 2009 9:12 PM

    I’m going to think out loud here for a minute….
    If they go for the first down and make it, game over.
    If they punt it and Manning gets it around the 30-35, with two minutes left and an exhausted Pat’s defense, he’s going to score while eating up the clock on a long drive , win by 1, and leave Brady no time to come back. Game over.
    If they go for the first down and miss, Manning gets the ball at the NE 29, scores fairly quickly, leaving Brady time to drive close enough for a Gostkowski field goal (dude hits from a mile consistantly), leaving no time for Manning to drive back another 80 yards after the kick off. Game over.
    I was nuts about this last night when it happened, but the more I think about it, the smarter Belichick looks …. except for one problem.
    No doubt Hoodie thought Manning would throw a TD here, but Manning isn’t your garden variety Tony Romo moron. He took his sweet time scoring that TD, leaving Brady with 13 seconds to set up a field goal. While Brady and Moss are incredible deep, every player on that Colts D would have been looking for that throw.
    Why the Pat’s defense didn’t simply fall on the ground trying NOT to stop the Colts from scoring on that last drive is beyond me, sort of a reverse MJD.
    All said, it was an AWESOME game, one that showcased the very best the NFL has to offer. It had everything you’d want in a football game. I thought Faulk had control AT the 30, but I can live with the call. I thought the pass interference call was ticky-tacky, but I can live with it. I thought the line did a great job of protecting Brady in the first half (witness the scoring drives) but the Colts had an answer for that in the Kaczor-Mathis matchup. Mathis did his job, Kaczur did not. I can live with that.
    The one thing I can’t live with is Laurence “giving me an ulcer” Maroney.
    Just when I thought he was showing us something, he coughs up a ball IN THE FREAKIN’ END ZONE! Cut this stooge, TODAY, PLEASE!!! I don’t care if we have to sign LJ and let him bitch slap a cheerleader at the 50 yard line, I can’t watch this guy another week!
    Great game if you’re a fan of the game period, whether you hate the Pats or hate the Colts. Football at it’s very best.

  98. Stinemonster says: Nov 16, 2009 11:18 PM

    It was a chance no matter what. I don’t care much about the Patriots and I’m not much of a Colts fan. I think he took the chance that had the best odds of keeping the ball out of Manning’s hands. That’s what he cared about.
    I was glad to see the Colts take the Patriots.

  99. IndianaJohnson says: Nov 17, 2009 3:44 AM

    I can’t believe how many Patriots fans think it was a bad spot on the 4th and 2 pass reception by Kevin Faulk. The replay clearly shows that when the pass hit Faulk’s hands he was past the first down marker. But he bobbled the ball and when he finally controlled it he was behind the first down marker. Result: first down Colts! Case closed. The spot was right where it was supposed to be. So, quit your griping about the spot.

  100. Wittyname says: Nov 18, 2009 10:36 PM

    A lot of people are saying that the Patriots should feel confident if they meet the Colts in the playoffs. I disagree. While you are correct that the Patriots dominated most of the game — they still lost. The Colts will NOT play that bad again, the receivers will NOT drop that many passes again, and the secondary WILL be more healthy and experienced. If they meet in the playoffs (provided NE can get to the championship game the Colts will win by at least 10 points.

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