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Week Ten Morning Aftermath: Packers 17, Cowboys 7

Backed into a corner, the Packers kept the Cowboys from winning for only the second time ever at Lambeau Field.

The outcome, while sufficiently satisfying in the short term to get the locals to forget about lay-an-egg-gate, hardly solves all of the problems that the Packers are facing.  “Baby Swiss” still gave up four sacks (41 for the year).  Charley Casserly of CBS did a great job during The NFL Today of demonstrating that quarterback Aaron Rodgers is responsible for a lot of those due to his failure to get rid of the ball quickly or to throw it away; either way, these constant negative plays (and opportunities for turnovers and injuries) could ultimately kill the team’s season.

But it was the defense that came up huge against the Cowboys.  Cornerback Charles Woodson had eight tackles, a sack, an interception, and two forced fumbles — with rookie Clay Matthews recovering both of them.  (One created a stir due to the application of an obscure, but sensible, exception to the replay rules.)

Dallas quarterback Tony Romo looked ordinary again, with a couple of turnovers and the only points coming from a garbage-time touchdown that avoided a shutout.

The loss, which hurts even more given the broken leg suffered by tackle Marc Colombo, drops the Cowboys to 6-3 and forces them to fatten up against the Redskins and Raiders before embarking on a three-game stretch that will go a long way toward determining whether the ‘Boys will get a shot to win their first playoff game since 1996:  at Giants, vs. Chargers, at Saints.

And the Cowboys had better hope they find a way to win a division that they now lead by only one game over the Eagles and the Giants; if Dallas ends up in the scrum for wild-card positioning, that loss to the Packers gives Green Bay the edge in the event the two teams are tied in the final standings.

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137 Responses to “Week Ten Morning Aftermath: Packers 17, Cowboys 7”
  1. jkorn1818 says: Nov 16, 2009 12:01 PM

    Let’s be honest here, in their lil mini run they had, dallas faced absolutely no one, and green bay isnt an elite team by any means..

  2. Frank Burns says: Nov 16, 2009 12:02 PM

    John and Yoko, Tony Choke-O, Tony Choke-O the Dallas QB…

  3. scrapdawg12 says: Nov 16, 2009 12:03 PM

    HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!! HAHAHAHAH

  4. Emoney says: Nov 16, 2009 12:07 PM

    For all of those beats the Cowboys gave the Packers in the 90’s, this was a little bit of payback. Sure, its 15 years later, but those losses still hurt and always will.
    F the Cowboys

  5. Popeye says: Nov 16, 2009 12:08 PM

    When will Garrett be fired….1st and goal with 6:39 left…LETS GO SHOTGUN….Romo throws a pick…..awesome play call….but Romo blows….and I am a Dallas fan and have been for 30 years

  6. kravon says: Nov 16, 2009 12:12 PM

    Just plain yucky.

  7. chapnasty says: Nov 16, 2009 12:19 PM

    I have to apologize to Florio and the PFT crew. I thought for sure Dallas would win this and I was wrong. What is odd is that it appears as if Roy Williams is getting the ball after complaining much like TO did and just like then the Cowboys arent playing well and Romo is looking like crap again. I hate to say it but after this off season it might be time to clean house. Romo, Wade, Garrett and Roy… head out of town and take Bobby Carpenter with you.

  8. GB3Pack4 says: Nov 16, 2009 12:20 PM

    Talk about “garbage time”! – I think the game clock said 38 seconds when Dallas finally scored to save the shutout.

  9. Supersuckers says: Nov 16, 2009 12:21 PM

    I remember those losses in the 90’s when Beer Cheese Soups Wolf was in charge and Holmgren on the sideline. I think there were 8 of them. Including a Monday Night pasting in 1996 that I remember as being one of the most frustrating and painful losses ever.

  10. Twiz says: Nov 16, 2009 12:22 PM

    “could ultimately kill the team’s season.”
    The GB Fudgepackers season was over 3 weeks ago…….no could about it!

  11. Bill In DC says: Nov 16, 2009 12:23 PM

    “in their lil mini run they had, dallas faced absolutely no one”
    Umm, so the Eagles are ‘no one’? Have at it Eagles fans.

  12. PervyHarvin says: Nov 16, 2009 12:24 PM

    In all fairness,Romo said he got some rotten tuna at The Paper Valley hotel in Appleton, WI. Was sick the entire game and believes it was intentional poisoning by Thompson and McCarthy in a feeble attempt at getting off the hot seat. Was submitted to Goodell today for investigation.

  13. VickIsNoQB says: Nov 16, 2009 12:25 PM

    Florio the hater is back! They only lead the division by 1 game last week too. With the eagles getting thumped in SD and the Giants off, they still do. The packers were desperate and at home, and the boys got a little complacent, a bad combo all around. They will beat Wash and Oak in JerryWorld to go 8-3, then need to win 2-3 outta their last 5 to take the division. Relax. Worse than the L was the RT going down.

  14. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 16, 2009 12:29 PM

    Emoney says:
    For all of those beats the Cowboys gave the Packers in the 90’s, this was a little bit of payback. Sure, its 15 years later, but those losses still hurt and always will.
    ___________________________________
    AMEN. I am still in total shock that we won this game. It wasn’t pretty by any means, and four sacks still isn’t ideal, but I really couldn’t be happier just to get a win, and against a solid team to boot. Go Pack.

  15. TroyBoyDK says: Nov 16, 2009 12:33 PM

    Can someone please explain me why no penalty was inflicted when Mike McCarthy threw his red flag without having any challenges left?
    As I see it its any effective timeout. I know it doesn’t really change the outcome of the game, but it does create a possible loophole…
    It should cost a timeout, and if none are left then an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty (15y).
    Oh, and jkorn1818; So the Eagles, who had just demolished the Giants, is ‘no one’. I hate the eagles as well, but I’m not stupid!

  16. irishgary says: Nov 16, 2009 12:34 PM

    McCarthy still has to go, too many sacks, Rodgers is not improving on getting rid of the ball and how about the stupid challenge on the TD, even Akiman said it was dumb.
    For all of the TT haters, who love to bring up Harrell. How about Mathews the guy is gonna be pro bowl in the very near future. And who was the GM who bought Woodson in? Oh yeah TT.
    Lets get a good coach in there and see what he can do with the talent.

  17. SpartaChris says: Nov 16, 2009 12:35 PM

    Man, I would have loved to pitch a shut out against Dallas, but more poor play calling allowed Dallas the opportunity to get that TD. Why not run, run, then throw if needed to get the first, rather than run, then throw for 10 yards? Milk the clock down as much as possible. Not like Dallas had any time outs to stop it anyway.
    But then again, this is McCarthy we’re talking about. It’s obvious play calling isn’t his strong suit.

  18. Grulks says: Nov 16, 2009 12:36 PM

    Definitely wasn’t a pretty day at all.
    Some of it has to do with Columbo going down, but not all of it, and not even most of it.
    Dallas came in looking flat, and you just can’t do that against a trap game. Green Bay -needed- this win if they wanted to salvage any hope of playoffs, and they just plain outplayed Dallas in every aspect.
    Hats of to the better coached, better playing Packers.

  19. mattitude says: Nov 16, 2009 12:38 PM

    Vox, where’s the ticker on Romo’s number of pass attempts as a Cowboy? C’mon, man. I need an update. I don’t want to miss the parade when he breaks the record.

  20. purpleguy says: Nov 16, 2009 12:39 PM

    Good game by the Pack D, particularly Woodson. Romo looked lost all game, although Williams did him no favors. McCarthy’s spacing out on his challenges was pretty clueless though. He must’ve been distracted by some maintenance dude talking about eggs.

  21. Hap says: Nov 16, 2009 12:43 PM

    The Cowboys lead by 1 over the Eagles last week, Flo. And, do you mean the same Dallas Cowboys that have won 5 Super Bowls and 8 NFC Championships ? And, do you mean they lead the never-ever-before-Super Bowl Champions Eagles by 1 game ? “McNabbs Huddle Vomit” wants to know.
    Did you see that Eagles-Chargers matchup, Flo ?

  22. footballrulz says: Nov 16, 2009 12:50 PM

    @ Popeye & Chapnasty
    There is some house cleaning needs to be done in GB also. Gotta thank Romo for the help in that game. He missed a couple that shoulda been TD’s or at the very least big gainers.
    McChuckle’s showed his brilliance again with that freakin’ challenge. Then the whole nation got to see that he can’t count.
    Oh well, a win is a win.

  23. SmackMyVickUp says: Nov 16, 2009 12:54 PM

    FudgePackers should have kept the pressure on to save the shutout. Lame way to end the game.

  24. jkorn1818 says: Nov 16, 2009 1:03 PM

    Hap says:
    November 16, 2009 12:43 PM
    The Cowboys lead by 1 over the Eagles last week, Flo. And, do you mean the same Dallas Cowboys that have won 5 Super Bowls and 8 NFC Championships ?
    ___________________________________
    are you kidding?

  25. GBP1919 says: Nov 16, 2009 1:04 PM

    Um, we beat the Cowboys 3 times:
    1. The Ice Bowl (You may have heard of this game)
    2. 11/23/97 – Dorsey Levens runs all over the ‘boys: 45-17
    3. yesterday
    Thanks

  26. irishgary says: Nov 16, 2009 1:06 PM

    Hap
    What was that post? some kind of ancient history lesson?
    Cowgirls suck

  27. mattitude says: Nov 16, 2009 1:06 PM

    Hap says:
    November 16, 2009 12:43 PM
    The Cowboys lead by 1 over the Eagles last week, Flo. And, do you mean the same Dallas Cowboys that have won 5 Super Bowls and 8 NFC Championships ? And, do you mean they lead the never-ever-before-Super Bowl Champions Eagles by 1 game ? “McNabbs Huddle Vomit” wants to know.
    Did you see that Eagles-Chargers matchup, Flo ?
    ————————————————-
    I’m pretty sure the current Cowboys roster isn’t allowed to bring the championship hardware of yesteryear onto the playing field to help them intimidate their opposition. And I’m not even going to look this up, but you said Dallas won 8 NFC title games? That means they went to 8 Super Bowls. Check you facts, half-wit. And although the Eagles took a loss yesterday, they were within one score and a 2 point conversion of tying the game. McNabb also threw for 450 yards. Romo was, well, he was Tony Romo.

  28. Kevin from Philly says: Nov 16, 2009 1:13 PM

    This goes out to all the Cowboys “fans” at the Linc last week (section117, you know who you are), who celebrated Jason Peters injury by dancing and carrying on with the gay little Cowboy doll: karma’s a bitch, ain’t it?
    BTW, get well soon Marc Columbo.

  29. DallasDeathStar says: Nov 16, 2009 1:16 PM

    Congrats to the Packer fans, your team out played the Cowboys this week and deserve the win ,and bragging rites. To the E-Gal fans posting ,LOL ,the only pleasure you find today is to post negatives on the Cowboys loss. Once again you show the NFL fans what your made of. Did I forget to mention what else is green ……SNOT. Bye the way how was the trip to the west coast?????LOL

  30. footballrulz says: Nov 16, 2009 1:18 PM

    Yeah Super, but wasn’t that a great Super Bowl that season. You think TT & MM can get us back there?

  31. Daddy Mateo says: Nov 16, 2009 1:30 PM

    mattitude….you are correct that the current roster has ZERO claim on previous success except for the fact that they play under the same name and I think that it is retarded for fans to keep bringing that up. However, Dallas has been to the Super Bowl 8 times they lost to the Baltimore Colts once and the Steelers twice in the 70’s…

  32. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 16, 2009 1:35 PM

    purpleguy says:
    November 16, 2009 12:39 PM
    Good game by the Pack D, particularly Woodson. Romo looked lost all game, although Williams did him no favors. McCarthy’s spacing out on his challenges was pretty clueless though. He must’ve been distracted by some maintenance dude talking about eggs.
    ——————————-
    I thought that was an interesting finding.. There’s no penalty for throwing a challenge flag when you have no challenges. So if you need a quick stoppage to get players shuffled, challenge a play when you have no challenges.. It results in a short stoppage while the refs talk to you and you get your players in.
    There ought to be a penalty for challenging when you have no challenges.
    And that call on the fumble is outright BS. Why can’t you challenge it? He was clearly down with possession. I’m not complaining… It worked out if favor of my team. But that rule needs to change.

  33. PerryMason says: Nov 16, 2009 1:36 PM

    Hey, you guys are right. I just looked it up and way, way back before the turn of the century the Cowboys and Packers were good.
    What happened?

  34. Bill Cowher's Chin says: Nov 16, 2009 1:38 PM

    # mattitude says: November 16, 2009 1:06 PM
    Hap says:
    November 16, 2009 12:43 PM
    The Cowboys lead by 1 over the Eagles last week, Flo. And, do you mean the same Dallas Cowboys that have won 5 Super Bowls and 8 NFC Championships ? And, do you mean they lead the never-ever-before-Super Bowl Champions Eagles by 1 game ? “McNabbs Huddle Vomit” wants to know.
    Did you see that Eagles-Chargers matchup, Flo ?
    ————————————————-
    I’m pretty sure the current Cowboys roster isn’t allowed to bring the championship hardware of yesteryear onto the playing field to help them intimidate their opposition. And I’m not even going to look this up, but you said Dallas won 8 NFC title games? That means they went to 8 Super Bowls. Check you facts, half-wit. And although the Eagles took a loss yesterday, they were within one score and a 2 point conversion of tying the game. McNabb also threw for 450 yards. Romo was, well, he was Tony Romo.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Not a Cowboys fan, but you need to check your math, before you try to call someone out, Dallas won the NFC Championship in:
    ’70
    ’71
    ’75
    ’77
    ’78
    ’92
    ’93
    ’95
    Looks like 8 to me………

  35. texasPHINSfan says: Nov 16, 2009 1:38 PM

    the thing that made me pay attention to this game specifically this weekend was how all the cowboys fans reacted on here when florio picked the packers to win.
    cowboys fans had words that were….. well lets say “less than kind” to florio.
    just goes to show it can happen. any given sunday.

  36. Jerry's World says: Nov 16, 2009 1:39 PM

    Hap, keep up the good posts, i am always down for a cowboy history lesson refresher. This loss is no big deal for the cowboys, we are still in control of the division with the eagirls losing, Colombo going down is a bigger concern. As for the GB Fudgepackers, since their season was over 3 weeks ago, this game was their superbowl, they can have it as our eye is on the ‘real’ prize in Feb.

  37. nerd says: Nov 16, 2009 1:55 PM

    The Packers gave up some sacks, but at least one of those was on a scramble. The Cowboys have a pretty good D, they’ll get after the QB. No shame there.
    For the first time all year, the Packers looked like a pro team that belonged on the field with their opponent. Nice to see.
    Defense looked WAY better than it has. Is this because they didn’t have to compensate for Kampman’s deficiencies? I thought Brad Jones looked pretty decent out there.
    Might have that Oline stabilized.
    The Packers might salvage this season AND get another crack at Favre in the playoffs if they KEEP playing like this. Which admittedly under MM could be a tall order. No way the Queens beat us three times in one season.
    Nice to get that Cowboys jinx off our backs. Too bad it seems to have gone over to the Queens.

  38. ocelots138 says: Nov 16, 2009 1:57 PM

    # Hap says: November 16, 2009 12:43 PM
    The Cowboys lead by 1 over the Eagles last week, Flo. And, do you mean the same Dallas Cowboys that have won 5 Super Bowls and 8 NFC Championships ? And, do you mean they lead the never-ever-before-Super Bowl Champions Eagles by 1 game ? “McNabbs Huddle Vomit” wants to know.
    Did you see that Eagles-Chargers matchup, Flo ?
    ————–
    Your flawed logic is making you spin like a sad little top. What does the Cowboys losing to the Pack have anything to do with McNabb vomiting? What does them losing in 2009 have anything to do with the 1990’s Superbowls? Nothing. You’re a tiny little troll with a sad little life, and you need to grow up.

  39. JimmySmith says: Nov 16, 2009 1:58 PM

    Cowboys are pretenders, they haven’t won a playoff game in a decade and the next 10 years don’t look so good either.
    Romo is a choke artist, their coach is a joke and their owner thinks he can evaluate talent.
    And vox is their biggest fan and if that doesn’t tell you how low the franchise has sunk, then what else might?

  40. ocelots138 says: Nov 16, 2009 1:59 PM

    # Kevin from Philly says: November 16, 2009 1:13 PM
    This goes out to all the Cowboys “fans” at the Linc last week (section117, you know who you are), who celebrated Jason Peters injury by dancing and carrying on with the gay little Cowboy doll: karma’s a bitch, ain’t it?
    BTW, get well soon Marc Columbo.
    —————-
    No! That can’t be true. We all know only Philly fans cheer injuries, right? Not the epitome of class that are the Dallas Cowboys fans! (that’s pronounced eh-pit-oh-mee, for you Dallas fans, not epitohm)

  41. cowboys suck says: Nov 16, 2009 2:02 PM

    where’s chapnasty??? hw only comments when his team is winning….ooooohhh i know…he must live in houston and root for whichever team is winning….tyipcal dirty ass cowgirl fan.
    good job tony blomo. i hope you lose to the eagles on jan 3….this time 48-0 and i hope its a win and in situation.

  42. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 16, 2009 2:03 PM

    purpleguy says:
    Good game by the Pack D, particularly Woodson. Romo looked lost all game, although Williams did him no favors. McCarthy’s spacing out on his challenges was pretty clueless though. He must’ve been distracted by some maintenance dude talking about eggs.
    ____________________________________
    Actually, that was a stroke of genius. Need extra timeout, but don’t have one to spare? Act like the idiot everyone says you are, listen to a brief lecture from flag-happy Triplette, and then get the time you need! I loved it, and I love even more that half the league believed the act.
    Childress often uses his dunce-cap reputation to his advantage as well. Long as it works, all’s fair.

  43. DoomsDayD75 says: Nov 16, 2009 2:07 PM

    Damn Florio did you even watch the game?
    You didn’t mention Folks missed kick, Roy Williams 40 yard catch and run which ended in a fumble, his crucial drop that hit him right in the face, or how our offensive line played their worst game of the year. But at least you took the time out to bash Romo, as usual.
    And the “non-reviewable” fumble was crap. Felix recovered it and was down. He was then stripped of the ball, which the Pack recovered. You can’t strip somebody of the ball after they have been tackled, that is basic football.

  44. east96street says: Nov 16, 2009 2:10 PM

    I’m certainly not a Dallas fan, but how DID GB get away with throwing an extra challenge flag? How is that not a penalty? Now, any team that is behind in a game, out of time outs AND challenges, can throw the red flag to stop the clock prior to the two minute warning. Let your offense huddle up, send the waterboys out to give the team a drink, call the next five plays, all done while the ref explains to the head coach how he made a “mistake” and the clock is stopped. Green Bay just taught the whole league how to get an extra timeout penalty free. It would have been absolutely brilliant if they did it on purpose.

  45. cowboys suck says: Nov 16, 2009 2:11 PM

    once more, cowpokes fans always resort to the super bowl ring count. is that really what you’ll rely on forever? still avoiding the eagles have dominted the nfc east for 10 yrs….
    as far as colombo getting better or not….no matter. i just hope tony romo gets earholed and helicoptered on his next play from scrimmage. he is so freakin over-rated

  46. packers4life says: Nov 16, 2009 2:34 PM

    Instead of people criticizing Thompson all the time, I think some of you should give the man at least a little credit for signing Woodson. He has literally turned our defense around and has been a fantastic pickup. The same can be said with Clay Matthews. That dude has a bright future ahead of him if he keeps playing like he is right now.
    Cowboy fans—-Good game.

  47. mattitude says: Nov 16, 2009 2:35 PM

    Bill Cowher’s Chin says:
    November 16, 2009 1:38 PM
    Not a Cowboys fan, but you need to check your math, before you try to call someone out, Dallas won the NFC Championship in:
    ’70
    ’71
    ’75
    ’77
    ’78
    ’92
    ’93
    ’95
    Looks like 8 to me………
    ———————————————–
    Fair enough, but now that you pointed that out, would like to defend its relevance in the original post? Did it really belong there? Bringing up ancient Cowboy history to try and rationalize that the current Cowboy team doesn’t suck is like me arguing that you can’t sleep on the current Japanese military because they were a superpower in WWII.

  48. packers4life says: Nov 16, 2009 2:37 PM

    “It’s obvious play calling isn’t his strong suit.”
    I completly agree. On 3rd and long, he calls a run play. What the hell was that? He should of taken more deep shots down the field because the Cowboys’ secondary was already short two defensive backs in Jenkins and Hamlin.

  49. footballrulz says: Nov 16, 2009 2:44 PM

    @ Beer Cheese–Do you really believe MM is that smart? If he did that on purpose you gotta give kudos, but he still needs to go. He still did make that othre stupid challenge.
    @ Adam-Chris you’d think thropwing that 3rd challenge flag would at least be a delay of game penalty. Also agree with you on the fumble call. There needs to be a rule change. Dallas got ripped on that one. I’d have to say that yesterday was one of the poorest jobs of officiating I have ever seen.
    @ Jerry’sWorld
    As for the GB Fudgepackers, since their season was over 3 weeks ago, this game was their superbowl, they can have it as our eye is on the ‘real’ prize in Feb.
    eye on the real prize in Feb. Cut it out man, you’re killing me. That’s hilarious.

  50. Strick says: Nov 16, 2009 3:02 PM

    Tossing the red flag when you’re out of challenges IS a 15-yard penalty. I don’t know why it wasn’t called yesterday.
    And the rules specifically state that the recovery of a loose ball on the field of play is non-reviewable. I can’t think of any reason why it shouldn’t be (reviewable).
    Two stupid breaks that couldn’t have gone against a nicer team.
    Go Pack, Go!
    And, as a lifetime Packer fan, I have to say that McCarthy might be our worst playcaller since Forrest Gregg. Draw play on 3rd and 22? Yeah, if you’re up by 50, maybe…

  51. PervyHarvin says: Nov 16, 2009 3:11 PM

    nerd says:
    November 16, 2009 1:55 PM
    The Packers might salvage this season AND get another crack at Favre in the playoffs if they KEEP playing like this. Which admittedly under MM could be a tall order. No way the Queens beat us three times in one season.
    ===================================
    LMAO Nerd, bet you believe in unicorns and world peace also?
    Favre vs. Packers: 41 of 59 for 515 yds and 7tds with 0 int and took 0 sacks.
    Don’t you get it?Favre would rather die than lose to Green Bay. His team mates won’t let him down either. Your D couldn’t put a hand on him. He has your number. Be careful what you wish for!

  52. Borg30 says: Nov 16, 2009 3:14 PM

    @ Jerry’sWorld,
    Ya, in Feb, you be watching the saints winning the super bowl.

  53. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 16, 2009 3:25 PM

    Jerry’s World says:
    November 16, 2009 1:39 PM
    Hap, keep up the good posts, i am always down for a cowboy history lesson refresher. This loss is no big deal for the cowboys, we are still in control of the division with the eagirls losing, Colombo going down is a bigger concern. As for the GB Fudgepackers, since their season was over 3 weeks ago, this game was their superbowl, they can have it as our eye is on the ‘real’ prize in Feb.
    —————————–
    You need to change the “World” in your username to “Kid”

  54. Supersuckers says: Nov 16, 2009 3:30 PM

    Footballrulz,
    Yeah I still think this duo is capable of getting the Pack back to the SuperBowl. Maybe not this year but its all a process.
    What would be more interesting would be to see Beer Cheese Soup locked in a room with McCarthy and having Beer Cheese question what he only sees on the TV copy and watch McCarthy make Beer Cheese feel like the football moron (as we all are) that he is.

  55. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 16, 2009 3:33 PM

    Strick says:
    November 16, 2009 3:02 PM
    And, as a lifetime Packer fan, I have to say that McCarthy might be our worst playcaller since Forrest Gregg. Draw play on 3rd and 22? Yeah, if you’re up by 50, maybe…
    ——————————
    Sure seems like it at times. And go back and check the play-by-play. He also called a run on the previous play–2nd and 23.
    1st and 10: Rodgers run for 2 yards, BS personal foul on Havner for 15 yards
    2nd and 23: Ahman Green runs for 1 yard gain
    3rd and 22: Brandon Jackson runs for 2 yard gain
    4th and 20: Punt
    Brilliant!

  56. crichar3 says: Nov 16, 2009 3:37 PM

    “Charley Casserly of CBS did a great job during The NFL Today of demonstrating that quarterback Aaron Rodgers is responsible for a lot of those due to his failure to get rid of the ball quickly or to throw it away…”
    ——————
    Getting rid of it quickly (e.g. Brett Favre) can be a gateway to INTs; throwing it away wastes a down and gains nothing. Flinging the ball to where receivers are supposed to be or chucking it away prematurely is not only dangerous in terms of creating turnovers, but is unlikely to move the team down the field. Heck, Rodgers has so little time he would rarely complete a pass if he didn’t stand in the pocket and hold it for a while.
    The issues is less Rodgers than the woeful OL in front of him. For anyone who has paid attention to each of GB’s games this is very clear. If one is to assess “blame” for all the sacks, I would parcel it out this way: 50% OL, 20% Rodgers, 20% Offensive scheme (too much focus on vertical routes) and 10% Receivers inability to get open.

  57. Supersuckers says: Nov 16, 2009 3:52 PM

    Adam,
    There isnt a play invented to get 23 friggin yards against a dime unless someone on the defensive side of the ball falls on their ass. Being conservative at that point in the game with that down and distance against a 6 db’s was exactly the right thing to do. Who is going to get open downfield unless there is a blown assignment? Way too much risk vs. reward there. Trying to find a play for 3rd and 23?? There isnt one. Quarterback would have had to have lots of time (we all know the protection issues) Their potential for a turnover would have increased immensely.

  58. SpartaChris says: Nov 16, 2009 4:22 PM

    @crichar3- You obviously didn’t see the Casserly piece then. He showcased play after play where people *were* open, but Rodgers didn’t go to them. I’m of the belief that Rodgers is more to blame for the majority of sacks he’s taken than the O-Line. Yeah, they’re still shoddy, but Rodgers needs to get rid of the ball. There’s no excuse to take a coverage sack. None. Ever.

  59. nerd says: Nov 16, 2009 4:24 PM

    Third and 20+: Hook and Lateral!
    MM runs that idiotic draw play EVERY time. Like it’s supposed to fool people?

  60. hk94 says: Nov 16, 2009 4:29 PM

    Why would MM intentionally throw a third challenge flag to stop the clock? He still had 2 timeouts. He simply cannot count and flew his stupid flag for the world to see.

  61. bezee23 says: Nov 16, 2009 4:37 PM

    Ok Florio. Here I am. And we deserve everything you wrote and more. I’m a man and I can man up and say we looked pathetic.
    I know the Pack had the 4th ranked D coming into the game but goodness. We made an overrated secondary look underrated. We got NOTHING from the passing game. For example:
    1. Roy Willams big play fumble.
    2. Roy Williams key drop that hit his big, sorry, soft self in the facemask. I dont want to ever hear him and T.O. mentioned in the same sentence. He cant hold a candle to Terrell.
    3. Witten setting a blatant screen that negated a huge play on 3rd down. Goodness Jason disguise it a little better.
    And I hate when ppl cry about calls but we got DONE IN on that fumble call. Once Felix grabs the ball and is touched by a defender the play is over. SINCE WHEN IS A FUMBLE NOT REVIEWABLE??????? Fumbles get reviewed all the time. We got done in on a fumble that our punter caused they ruled him down by contact. And I guess McCarthy gets to throw unlimited challenges.
    Romo played decent. After the CHEATING NON REVIEWABLE FUMBLE they got the ball on the 5 yard line, we went down 17 it was too late. Yea he threw a pick on the goalline but we were well up the river by then.
    The good news is the SHE-gles lost. Were straight.

  62. bluestree says: Nov 16, 2009 4:49 PM

    @PervyHarvin; Why do you cling to the belief that despite all the evidence to the contrary Farve will be playing at a high level in the playoffs? He was always pretty well protected in GB and still failed to produce for a full season for at least five years. Longer if you count playoffs.

  63. TheBaySay says: Nov 16, 2009 4:57 PM

    Look everyone – PervyHarvin is back on a Packer story already! I guess those “bigger fish” fried up pretty quickly! Anyway, welcome back bro – lonesome withoutcha. (idiot)

  64. hoy_sauce says: Nov 16, 2009 5:00 PM

    @bezee23
    Get over it. You got outplayed by a mediocre team. Those plays were all key in the 2nd half. Care to bring up the plays that got you 0 points in the first half??
    @ Supersuckers
    We obviously were watching the same game, and know the Packers to fail miserably when faced with a 3rd down of any distance. Good post.

  65. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 16, 2009 5:19 PM

    Supersuckers says:
    November 16, 2009 3:52 PM
    Adam,
    There isnt a play invented to get 23 friggin yards against a dime unless someone on the defensive side of the ball falls on their ass. Being conservative at that point in the game with that down and distance against a 6 db’s was exactly the right thing to do. Who is going to get open downfield unless there is a blown assignment? Way too much risk vs. reward there. Trying to find a play for 3rd and 23?? There isnt one. Quarterback would have had to have lots of time (we all know the protection issues) Their potential for a turnover would have increased immensely.
    —————————-
    Yeah, you’re right. I’m saying they should go for the whole shebang from the word go. No, I’m saying making no attempt to pick up 23 yards in 2 downs is pathetic.
    They do draw up plays to gain 10 yards or so. And Green Bay’s receivers have been known to get a couple extra yards after the catch, right? So look for a couple of 10 yard gains and hope for the best. Running twice and punting just because you had a 15 yard penalty is defeatist.
    And it doesn’t take a ton of time to complete a short slant. Less than 2 seconds. And in most cases, Rodgers gets 2 seconds.

  66. Grulks says: Nov 16, 2009 5:26 PM

    BZ,
    I’m a fellow Dallas fan, but the fact is, the Cowboys didn’t play well all game long. If they hadn’t been one dimensional for 3.5 quarters, and had actually moved the ball/scored, then a couple of missed calls by the refs wouldn’t have mattered.
    I’m not happy about the calls, but Dallas didn’t do sh*t when they had chances all game long. Bitching about missed calls assumes that Dallas would have woken up late in the 4th. If a team waits that long, they deserve to lose.
    -bitter Dallas AND FF fan, who got a big fat stinking 0 points from Austin.

  67. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 16, 2009 5:56 PM

    Suck says:
    What would be more interesting would be to see Beer Cheese Soup locked in a room with McCarthy and having Beer Cheese question what he only sees on the TV copy and watch McCarthy make Beer Cheese feel like the football moron (as we all are) that he is.
    ____________________________________
    Man. Do you ever tire of writing this same old pathetic rhetoric? It’s a broken record, even worse than Bob Nelson’s morality lectures or the post-game conferences by Big Mac himself, who YOU were saying needs to be fired just last week.
    Of course none of us know more about football than a professional head coach, you stupid ass. OF COURSE we’re all “football morons”, and I’m no exception. Is that seriously all you can say??
    Again, if you feel myself or anyone else has no right to talk about football on here, just because we don’t work in the NFL, then please, by all means, stop talking football on here. If not, then get some new material. Maybe even some that includes a valid argument.

  68. PervyHarvin says: Nov 16, 2009 6:11 PM

    bluestree says:
    November 16, 2009 4:49 PM
    @PervyHarvin; Why do you cling to the belief that despite all the evidence to the contrary Farve will be playing at a high level in the playoffs? He was always pretty well protected in GB and still failed to produce for a full season for at least five years. Longer if you count playoffs.
    ————————————————–
    Don’t you get it man? This Viking team is loaded with talent. Better than the Packer teams,SB team included. Favre is a different creature with the Vikings. Blowing away previous MVP season stats at this stage at the age of 40. 1 int. that was his fault so far(other 2 tipped and should have been caught) That history is Favre/Packer history. You will see Favre/Viking to be much different.
    TheBaySay says:
    November 16, 2009 4:57 PM
    Look everyone – PervyHarvin is back on a Packer story already! I guess those “bigger fish” fried up pretty quickly! Anyway, welcome back bro – lonesome withoutcha. (idiot)
    ————————————————–
    Just had to show my love to Packer nation tool. You know,for beating Dallas. We want home field advantage in the playoffs. You can go back to losing now. Don’t feel too proud,Romo is more over rated than Rodgers.

  69. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 16, 2009 7:22 PM

    PervyHarvin says:
    November 16, 2009 6:11 PM
    Don’t you get it man? This Viking team is loaded with talent. Better than the Packer teams,SB team included. Favre is a different creature with the Vikings. Blowing away previous MVP season stats at this stage at the age of 40. 1 int. that was his fault so far(other 2 tipped and should have been caught) That history is Favre/Packer history. You will see Favre/Viking to be much different.
    ——————————
    You’re delusional. Explaining away Favre’s INTs is one thing, but this is just downright revisionist history.

  70. bluestree says: Nov 16, 2009 7:52 PM

    @Perv; Life loves a dreamer.

  71. PervyHarvin says: Nov 16, 2009 8:23 PM

    Adam-Chris Scheftersen says:
    November 16, 2009 7:22 PM
    You’re delusional. Explaining away Favre’s INTs is one thing, but this is just downright revisionist history.
    ===================================
    LOL And when you get proved wrong? I’ll let history bring the pain to you.
    bluestree says:
    November 16, 2009 7:52 PM
    @Perv; Life loves a dreamer.
    ————————————————–
    …and Favre will make Vikings fans come true. He gave you 2 nightmares so far, hope he hangs the trifecta!

  72. VoxVeritas says: Nov 16, 2009 8:43 PM

    “And although the Eagles took a loss yesterday, they were within one score and a 2 point conversion of tying the game.”
    I hope that helps you sleep better tonight. You guys are used to losing streaks by now though, aren’t you?
    “McNabb also threw for 450 yards.”
    on about 800 attempts haha
    20-16

  73. VoxVeritas says: Nov 16, 2009 8:46 PM

    “This goes out to all the Cowboys “fans” at the Linc last week (section117, you know who you are), who celebrated Jason Peters injury by dancing and carrying on with the gay little Cowboy doll: karma’s a bitch, ain’t it?”
    I thought you guys said that nobody could wear Cowboys gear into the Linc? Are you telling me that Cowboys fans were there and dancing in the stands and nothing happened to them? Apparently, it’s not only karma that’s a bitch. So are Eagirls fans.

  74. VoxVeritas says: Nov 16, 2009 8:57 PM

    “There ought to be a penalty for challenging when you have no challenges.”
    There is.
    Rule 15, Section 9: Instant Replay
    Penalty: For initiating a challenge when all of a team’s time outs have been exhausted
    or when all of its available challenges have been used: Loss of 15 yards.

  75. VoxVeritas says: Nov 16, 2009 8:58 PM

    “Hey, you guys are right. I just looked it up and way, way back before the turn of the century the Cowboys and Packers were good.
    What happened?”
    They have gone through the normal NFL cycle of going from being the best team to being average teams and they will likely continue the cycle.

  76. VoxVeritas says: Nov 16, 2009 9:01 PM

    “No! That can’t be true. We all know only Philly fans cheer injuries, right? Not the epitome of class that are the Dallas Cowboys fans!”
    Jeez… got inferiority complex?

  77. VoxVeritas says: Nov 16, 2009 9:08 PM

    “once more, cowpokes fans always resort to the super bowl ring count. is that really what you’ll rely on forever? still avoiding the eagles have dominted the nfc east for 10 yrs….”
    Bitch, please. The Eagirls have exactly one winning season in a row and this season ain’t looking too good for extending that meager streak. You guys don’t even know what the word “domination” means. That’s why we have to bring up Super Bowls, to remind you what true “domination” looks like. Domination is winning three Super Bowls in four years, or maybe going on streak of 20 winning seasons in a row. Not having two winning seasons in four years, and potentially two out of five. That’s not “domination”. That’s pathetic.
    13-9. Then 20-16.

  78. VoxVeritas says: Nov 16, 2009 9:10 PM

    “Bringing up ancient Cowboy history to try and rationalize that the current Cowboy team doesn’t suck is like me arguing that you can’t sleep on the current Japanese military because they were a superpower in WWII.”
    Maybe you can rely on the fact that the Cowboys went into Philly and 20-16’ed the Eagirls on national prime time TV barely a week ago.

  79. VoxVeritas says: Nov 16, 2009 9:13 PM

    “Just had to show my love to Packer nation tool. You know,for beating Dallas. We want home field advantage in the playoffs.”
    Doesn’t matter. You have BertFarve, and BertFarve can’t beat the Cowboys no matter where the game is played.

  80. PervyHarvin says: Nov 16, 2009 9:35 PM

    VoxVeritas says:
    November 16, 2009 9:13 PM
    Doesn’t matter. You have BertFarve, and BertFarve can’t beat the Cowboys no matter where the game is played.
    ===================================
    Vikings and Bert would smoke the Cowgirls. Tony Homo is the biggest over rated piece of shit in football. Vox, go play with next weeks team that will smoke you guys.

  81. Supersuckers says: Nov 16, 2009 9:49 PM

    Beer Cheese,
    i never called for a knee jerk firing like yourself. I said and I quote “In my opinion McCarthy is officially on the hot seat” If you aknowledge that you are a football moron (as am I) then you must concede that your opinion means nothing because you know nothing (as do I) correct?

  82. Supersuckers says: Nov 16, 2009 9:53 PM

    Beer Cheese,
    This is a free country (for a few more years) but I really feel that you have embarrased yourself enough to maybe start thinking of not posting. You know nothing (as do I) but you THINK you know..but you really don’t know. That is the fundamental difference. I realize I know nothing.

  83. packers4life says: Nov 16, 2009 11:10 PM

    “Don’t you get it man? This Viking team is loaded with talent. Better than the Packer teams,SB team included. Favre is a different creature with the Vikings. Blowing away previous MVP season stats at this stage at the age of 40. 1 int. that was his fault so far(other 2 tipped and should have been caught) That history is Favre/Packer history. You will see Favre/Viking to be much different.”
    Dude, this year’s Vikings are not even close to being as dominate as the 1996 Packers were. The Packers then were ranked #1 in offense, defense and special teams while the Vikings are not even close to being #1 in any of those.
    Tell me what positions on this year’s Vikings you think are more talented than the 1996 Packers. Well, you can compare the HB spot but that is about it.
    The 1996 Packer roster had superb talent such as Favre, Antonio Freeman, Mark Chmura, Frankie Winters, Keith Jackson, William Henderson, Reggie White, Sean Jones, Gilbert Brown, Eugene Robinson, Craig Newsome, LeRoy Butler, Desmond Howard, Andre Rison, Don Beebe, and Doug Evans. With that said, there is no way in hell that any of these players are less talented the ones on the Vikings. I’ll give you Peterson but don’t even try comparing Allen to either White or Jones. Same goes with LeRoy Butler because he is better then all the Vikings DBs (yes even better then Winfield)

  84. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 16, 2009 11:26 PM

    -Suck says:
    If you aknowledge that you are a football moron (as am I) then you must concede that your opinion means nothing because you know nothing (as do I) correct?
    ___________________________________
    Of course my opinion has absolutely no bearing on anything (except apparently your blood pressure), least of all the day-to-day operations of the Green Bay Packers. If that’s your definition of “means nothing”, than I’ll plead guilty as charged.
    I just fail to see why repeating the blatantly obvious fact that none of us are experts has anything to do with the current price of beer, or how our opinions meaning nothing should bar us from being able to share them.
    Guess what? I hate Thompson. I can and will keep saying that. If you find that offensive, that’s on you.
    -Suck ALSO says:
    You know nothing (as do I) but you THINK you know..but you really don’t know. That is the fundamental difference. I realize I know nothing.
    ____________________________________
    I never claimed to think I know. I don’t know how many times I have to admit I’m no expert on football (or much else for that matter) for you to finally hear it, or to not feel you need to constantly remind me of it. Yes, Suck, you’re right. I do know just about as much as you when it comes right down to it. Which is, as you so simply put it, nothing. Feel better?
    I simply state my opinions, which are, I AGAIN admit, most certainly not facts. I’m kinda like everyone else on this site in that regard. Now then, can we move on to another, less obvious topic, or are you going to keep doing nothing but reminding me I’m still not an NFL head coach? As stated, it’s getting pretty old.

  85. Supersuckers says: Nov 17, 2009 9:08 AM

    Nope I’m done. Mission accomplished. your opinion is worth nothing anymore and I got you to admit it. I love head games.

  86. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 17, 2009 10:06 AM

    PervyHarvin says:
    November 16, 2009 8:23 PM
    LOL And when you get proved wrong? I’ll let history bring the pain to you.
    ——————————
    History has already proven you wrong. The Vikings have a handful of players I’d take individually over ’96 Packers. Nothing more. Let’s put it this way..
    The Vikings’ signature win more than halfway through the season is a two point home win against a 5-4 team. On a missed FG. They haven’t beaten anyone good yet. So I think it’s a little premature to call them better or more talented than a ’96 Packers team with the #1 offense and #1 defense.
    This isn’t brain surgery, Pervy.

  87. PervyHarvin says: Nov 17, 2009 10:07 AM

    packers4life says:
    November 16, 2009 11:10 PMDude, this year’s Vikings are not even close to being as dominate as the 1996 Packers were. The Packers then were ranked #1 in offense, defense and special teams while the Vikings are not even close to being #1 in any of those.
    Tell me what positions on this year’s Vikings you think are more talented than the 1996 Packers. Well, you can compare the HB spot but that is about it.
    The 1996 Packer roster had superb talent such as Favre, Antonio Freeman, Mark Chmura, Frankie Winters, Keith Jackson, William Henderson, Reggie White, Sean Jones, Gilbert Brown, Eugene Robinson, Craig Newsome, LeRoy Butler, Desmond Howard, Andre Rison, Don Beebe, and Doug Evans. With that said, there is no way in hell that any of these players are less talented the ones on the Vikings. I’ll give you Peterson but don’t even try comparing Allen to either White or Jones. Same goes with LeRoy Butler because he is better then all the Vikings DBs (yes even better then Winfield)
    ————————————————–
    First of all,lets just throw the team rankings out the window. Sure you were #1 D, O, and special teams THAT year. Comparing rankings in different years vs. different teams is getting us nowhere. Say we just match up by position and production. And really,that still is no measure,but is fun just to say we did. You know,like comparing Ali to Tyson or other teams well over a decade apart.
    QB- 96 Favre(39td-13 picks)
    09 Favre(17-3)after 9 games
    Pretty close so far except the picks. Mobility(96) Decision making(09) AD factor(taking pressure off because AD such a threat)(09)
    Vikings Favre playing better. Crushing past MVP stats so far.
    Winner: Favre 09
    RB’s- Too easy. Edgar Bennet and Dorsey Levens had 1465 yds. total and 7tds. AD is at 917yds. and 11tds in 9 games. AD calls 1465 by himself a bad season. Not to mention Chester.
    Winner: AD 09
    WR’s- Brooks,Freeman,Rison vs Berrian,Rice and Harvin. Freeman led (96) with 56 catches for 933yds. and 9 tds. Rice(09) has 44 for 786 yds. and 2 tds in 9 games. Rice,a rising superstar, should end up with much better stats by years end then Freeman. Berrian and Harvin can go the distance with blazing speed.
    Winner: Vikings corp(09)
    TE- Whats the hype on Chmura?? Did he block great? Not as good as Kleinsasser. Chmura had 28 catches for 370 yds. and a big 0 tds. Shiancoe has 25 for 246 and 6 tds. in 9 games Come on MAN!
    Winner:Shiancoe(09)
    Oline-Michels crushed by Mckinnie at LT. Hutch,multiple pro bowler easy over Taulor LG. Give you Winters and Timmerman(1 probowl each). Dotson and Load a push. We much bigger and physical. I would want the Vikes anyday for my protection.
    Winner: Vikings O line(09)
    D line- Yah yah, Reggie White.had 8.5 sacks in 96. Allen 10.5 in 9games and running for MVP. Williams boys better than Dotson and Brown. And yes,Allen is better than White and Jones comparing these 2 years.
    Winner- Vikings D-line(09)
    Linebackers- Koonce,Simmos,Williams vs Leber,Greenway,Henderson
    Winner: Even
    Secondary- Easy, the Packers. Don’t buy Leroy Butler much better than Winfield though. Winfield a tackling machine.
    Winner:Pack(96)
    Special teams-Desmond vs. Percy. Howard had 58 punt returns for 15.1 avg. and 3tds. Percy has 22 kick returns so far for a 30.7 avg and 2 tds. Howard 20.9 on kick returns. I’ll take a dynamic KR any day over a PR guy. Plus Longwell much better than Jacke.
    Winner:Vikings (09)
    Sure the Pack faithful will try to argue this logical break down. My money says 09 Vikings better than 96 Pack. So does Brett’s.

  88. Chickenfoot says: Nov 17, 2009 10:50 AM

    Awesome post Pervy: But, you are going to get greif for it. Don’t worry i got your back.
    I bet Adam- Ijust took a2 taperedshitterson’s head is spinning like regans in the Exorcist!
    Which fits because he vomits green bile all over these posts.
    Well done, nice research!

  89. Supersuckers says: Nov 17, 2009 11:17 AM

    Yeah well done pervy. But does it matter? Those teams aren’t going to play. Ever.

  90. PervyHarvin says: Nov 17, 2009 11:20 AM

    @ chickenfoot- LOL packers4life called me out so had to step up. Thanks man,you are one of the few posters I would consider it a compliment from. You always bring good smack with good facts. Shitterson already at it LOL

  91. Chickenfoot says: Nov 17, 2009 11:38 AM

    Super:
    That wasn’t the point.
    It was one man’s well thought out opinion of how he thought this 09 Vikes team stacked up against the Pack’s SB team.
    Who would win between them isn’t even entering in the conversation.
    You see, you think you know, but you don’t really know. You know?

  92. Supersuckers says: Nov 17, 2009 11:52 AM

    You’re right you don’t

  93. Supersuckers says: Nov 17, 2009 11:53 AM

    It could be a valid and interesting argument to debate over two title winning teams. But…the um 09 Vikings um…

  94. PervyHarvin says: Nov 17, 2009 12:14 PM

    @ Supersuckers- What does two title winning teams have to do with it? Packer nation was in an uproar when Brett said this Vikings team the best he ever played on. Those are just my opinions backing Favre’s statement backed by some stats.Hard to compare different decades but that being said, waiting to see someone try to turn it all around for the Pack. Hard to do logically I think.

  95. Chickenfoot says: Nov 17, 2009 12:20 PM

    Why would a title have to enter into it, oh great one?
    It’s a comparison of 2 teams, pretty simple and straightforward if you ask me.
    It was a question of how the talent stacked up on thos two teams, not if there were titles won.
    I’m embarassed for you.

  96. Supersuckers says: Nov 17, 2009 12:30 PM

    Well for me that argument in my opinion is uninteresting because you are not comparing championship teams. Thats all. Ill be leaving this conversation now. Too boring and irrelevent until you are discussing title winners (in my opinion)

  97. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 17, 2009 12:36 PM

    Love the post Pervy. It’s just too bad you picked this site to put it on though, and not one where intelligent football minds can see it and appreciate the work you put into it.
    I do have a couple of minor disagreements however, and I’ll just chalk it up to the fact that I probably followed the ’96 Pack more closely than you did. Firstly, I don’t think you can compare a rookie like Loadholt to Earl Dotson. I would say the ’09 Vikings’ line overall is better, but not at RT or center, not even close. With regard to the TE’s, Chmura was there to be a short-yardage receiver. He wasn’t often called upon to block, that was more Keith Jackson’s role. So a more accurate analysis would be to put Shiancoe vs. Chmura as the receiving TE, and Kleinsasser vs. Jackson as the blocker. I would call that a push, but that’s just my humble take.
    Otherwise, I agree on all counts. the ’09 Vikings are a very good team. If they prove they can win it all, as the ’96 Pack did, they should easily go down as one of the all-time great teams. There’s still a lot of season left to see whether that happens or not, however. Time will tell.

  98. Chickenfoot says: Nov 17, 2009 12:44 PM

    Kind of hard to know if they are a title team until Feb. , isn’t it?
    Well, no Vikings team will ever stack up to the “great title teams of the Packers”….uff.
    Too condescending to stick around and debate( in my opinion)

  99. PervyHarvin says: Nov 17, 2009 12:46 PM

    LMAO Whatever Suckers, then why was WI crying over Brett’s line?? Lets not forget,Favre led 96 Pack also lost to a 9-7 Vikings squad that was ranked 23 of 30 offensively 30-21 LOL

  100. Supersuckers says: Nov 17, 2009 1:22 PM

    Pervy,
    Who gives a shit it was 13 years ago. What is “Brett’s line?” Every championship team in the history of pro sports has lost at least one game (with the exception of one) in their season. What was your point there?
    Chickenfoot,
    I am a NFL Know Nothing. I really have no clue what is going to happen. There is alot of season left. But in my humbled know nothing opinion I don’t think we are going to need to wait until february to find out if the 2009 Minnesota Vikings are a championship team. Again, I have no crystal ball and I know nothing

  101. PervyHarvin says: Nov 17, 2009 1:26 PM

    @ BeerCheeseSoup- I’m quite sure you followed that 96 team more than I LOL Well,that was Dotsons 4th season and this Loadholts first. Load is improving and playing at a pretty high level.Many former Vikings praise him regularly and hes a monster. Dotson never made a pro bowl. Guess you could say Dotson had the experience but many seeing possible greatness in Load. Who knows? LOL Seems to me Shank finds the end zone where Chmura didn’t. Kleinsasser still regarded as one of the best TE blockers around,huge in AD’s success. Still take the 09 Vikes at TE.

  102. Supersuckers says: Nov 17, 2009 1:41 PM

    Pervy you cannot compare teams and overwhelmingly say that the players of this friggin Viking team are better than a title winner. It makes no sense.

  103. PervyHarvin says: Nov 17, 2009 2:19 PM

    Supersuckers says:
    November 17, 2009 1:22 PM
    Pervy,
    Who gives a shit it was 13 years ago. What is “Brett’s line?” Every championship team in the history of pro sports has lost at least one game (with the exception of one) in their season. What was your point there?
    ===================================
    Brett’s line? “I think physically and from a talent standpoint, this is the best team I’ve ever been on,” said Favre on the 09 Vikings.
    Butler,Chmura and others gave a shit about that line. National media did also.
    Packers4life said:Dude, this year’s Vikings are not even close to being as dominate as the 1996 Packers were. The Packers then were ranked #1 in offense, defense and special teams while the Vikings are not even close to being #1 in any of those.
    Tell me what positions on this year’s Vikings you think are more talented than the 1996 Packers. Well, you can compare the HB spot but that is about it.
    ————————————————–
    And that’s what I did Supersuckers. Too bad you avoid this topic because it has nothing to do with defending the Mighty McCarthy or DeadHead Ted.

  104. Chickenfoot says: Nov 17, 2009 2:40 PM

    Super:
    So you are saying if the Pack didn’t win that title, it would be ok to compare them?
    That’s some conviluted logic you got going there.
    I think what we have here is a comprehension problem.
    You can compare any teams you want, it’s one man’s opinion, and that you are making this big of stink out of it speaks volumes.
    You think if you qualify your statements that you ” are a know nothing” and ” I don’t have a crystal ball” they make your opinions ok to say.
    You need to come out and make a stand instead of hiding behind your 2 favorite qulifying statements posted above.
    If you don’t think the Vikes have Bowl potential, just say it for God’s sake!
    I guess you figure if it does happen, you can fall back on “I’m a know nothing” right?
    That’s pretty pussified of you.
    Take a stand, pick a side of the fence, your balls have to be hurting by now.
    You are so vocal about Teabag and Mumbles, why not with the Vikes?
    It’s in there in your post, it’s veiled but it’s in there.
    I think you are afraid you are wrong.
    How about an analysis why you don’t think the Vikes have what it takes?
    Your humble opinion , so to speak.

  105. packers4life says: Nov 17, 2009 2:55 PM

    “D line- Yah yah, Reggie White.had 8.5 sacks in 96. Allen 10.5 in 9games and running for MVP. Williams boys better than Dotson and Brown. And yes,Allen is better than White and Jones comparing these 2 years.
    Winner- Vikings D-line(09)”
    Dude, Allen is not as good as you think this season. I mean, 7.5 of his 10.5 sacks came against a weak Packers LT while the rest came in 7 different games. I have also noticed that he usually has good games against weak LTs but is quiet against good ones. And the Gravedigger is one of the best run-stuffers of his era.
    “Secondary- Easy, the Packers. Don’t buy Leroy Butler much better than Winfield though. Winfield a tackling machine.
    Winner:Pack(96)”
    Really? Butler has 38 career interceptions and is one of the few players in NFL history to have 20+ career interceptions and 20+ career sacks.
    “Special teams-Desmond vs. Percy. Howard had 58 punt returns for 15.1 avg. and 3tds. Percy has 22 kick returns so far for a 30.7 avg and 2 tds. Howard 20.9 on kick returns. I’ll take a dynamic KR any day over a PR guy. Plus Longwell much better than Jacke.
    Winner:Vikings (09)”
    Dude, Desmond Howard wasn’t just a punt returner but also a kick returner and he dominated both sides. I admit Harvin is one hell of a kick returner but he isn’t even the Vikings’ punt returner. Plus, Howard’s season is one of the best ever by a returner. and P Craig Hentrich was better then Chris Kluwe too.
    I can’t believe you are comparing a team that won the Super Bowl to a team that hasn’t even freakin’ finished a season. You sir are delusional.

  106. PervyHarvin says: Nov 17, 2009 3:11 PM

    @ packers4life –
    Jared allen is always making something happen. Whether getting doubled to allow other players to step up or just plain hitting the qb all day even if not a sack. Don’t even try to match our Williams boys in the middle.
    Butler got picks and got to blitz more I see. No way he defends the run better than Twon. He mows down the biggest backs with ease. Never said Butler wasn’t good.
    You keep Desmond. I’ll take Harvin with better KR field position any day. Plus he is a home run hitter. 7 games left yet dude. Harvins #’s may be unreal. And yes,kickers win games. Longwell ice money. The whole unit bro.
    Many have compared it after Brett said it. This my pitch. Nothing delusional about it.Supersuckers and you quite alike I see!

  107. Supersuckers says: Nov 17, 2009 3:13 PM

    I agree this is all delusional. Just dumb. I have no idea what is going to happen. I just know that I know nothing as does everyone else on here and that makes me and everyone else unqualified to compare anyteams. Especially one that is halfway through a season not even in first place in their conference vs. a title winner. Just idiotic. Chicken, I don’t care about the vikings unless green bay plays them. thats done and over. they may play again though. then i will care. I dont know anythign or I wouldnt be on this site typing but you take a organization that is most recognizable by being one of the biggest choking, non-championship winning franchises of all time in all of sports and add a QB who has a track record of choking in big time games and well….in my know nothing opinion something really really bad could happen come january for Minnesota. Really Really bad.

  108. Supersuckers says: Nov 17, 2009 3:33 PM

    One other thing. you can compare whoever you want. you don’t need my approval. Or do you? Anyway, all I said was the conversation was irrelevant and boring to ME because you arent comparing apples to apples. You are comparing gold to dried prunes at this point.

  109. chickenfootishunglikeachicken says: Nov 17, 2009 4:15 PM

    to compare a championship winning team to the vikings in a season half completed is insane. anyone that can call jared allen better than the best defensive lineman to ever play the game needs to quit drinking his purple kool aid. allen is a great player, but he does not even deserve to have his name mentioned in the same sentence as reggie white. allen could go ape shit the rest of the season and rack up 20 sacks but he still couldn’t carry reggie’s jock. any idiot would acknowledge this. has the guy even amassed 50 sacks in his career yet? reggie had 3 sacks in the superbowl and was the premier player at his position for 20 years. let me guess, you are the same guy saying peterson is the best player of all time. he is what 1/6 of the way to emmitt’s records? the deed to my house says he won’t make it anywhere near it. no one in their right mind would pick peterson over emmitt, barry, jim brown, gale sayers, or SWEETNESS. hell i, and many others would pick marshall faulk or ladanian over him.

  110. Chickenfoot says: Nov 17, 2009 4:47 PM

    Hung like a :
    I didn’t know they handed out deeds to your mothers basement.
    Talk about crystals balls….
    Allday is at 4018yards after 2.5 seasons.
    Allen is at 68 sacks after 5.5 years.
    I’m glad you are willing to let the foundation of your mothers home go for a stupid ass bet on PFT. On a bet you have no clue will come to fruition.
    ALL DAY stays healthy, he is going to come close to Emmits yardage total.
    So long turd burglar, I’m done with work

  111. PervyHarvin says: Nov 17, 2009 5:17 PM

    @ chickenfoothurtmyfeelings –
    First of all brainless,we are comparing two Favre teams. The 96 fudge and the 09 Vikings. Insane to compare?? You win the Karl Childers Award today fool.Tell that to the football and sports publications that have. What Favre says gets raked around big time.
    So,hell with Reggie THAT year,8.5 sacks is less than impressive.His best years were well behind him.Oh yah,he got 16 in 98,the last big hurrah. Allen almost got 8.5 playing Teds Turds this year.
    And Faulk? 12,279 in 13 seasons. AD stays healthy have that in 7. LOL That seals the deal. Go back to the garage and eat some mustard biscuits Karl. You a dee de dee

  112. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 17, 2009 5:42 PM

    Chickenfoot says:
    November 17, 2009 10:50 AM
    Awesome post Pervy: But, you are going to get greif for it. Don’t worry i got your back.
    I bet Adam- Ijust took a2 taperedshitterson’s head is spinning like regans in the Exorcist!
    ——————————-
    Awesome post? More like unbelievably biased and idiotic post. I suppose that’s why you think it’s awesome, though. Ask any rational, knowledgeable football fan and they’ll tell you Pervy’s wronger than wrong.
    Hell, he’s even comparing a CB to a SS. Are we supposed to acknowledge that steaming load of a post?
    He wants to compare Chmura’s receiving to Shiancoe’s with no mention of Keith Jackson (and his 10 TDs). He wants to compare Peterson/Taylor to Levens/Bennett with no mention of receiving yardage and receiving TDs or fumbles (here’s a clue: Peterson’s already got more fumbles than both Levens and Bennett in just 9 games). And he says Jared Allen is better now than Reggie White was in ’96. That disqualifies his post from consideration as an objective analysis. Jared Allen is a one-trick pony. He does that one trick extremely well, mind you. But more often than not he runs directly upfield at the snap and completely vacates his end of the line. He’s a sack-whore. Reggie had more to his game than just one move. And he played the run.
    There’s so many holes in that “analysis” it’s funny. Check this out.
    ’96 Packers
    Run defense: 88.5 yards a game, 4th in the league
    Pass defense: 171.2 yards a game, 1st in the league
    Pts allowed: 13.1 points per game, 1st in the league
    ’09 Vikings
    Run defense: 94.6 yards a game, 6th in the league
    Pass defense: 238 yards a game, 21st in the league
    Pts allowed: 20.4 points per game, tied for 19th in the league
    If the Vikings hold their opponents to a grand total of 26 points over the course of THE NEXT 7 GAMES, they’ll match the ’96 Packers’ scoring defense.
    Not to mention that the winning percentage of their opponents was MUCH better than who the Vikings have played.. ’96 Packers’ opponents had a .504 winning percentage. ’09 Vikings opponents (so far) have had a .358 winning percentage. The ’96 Packers beat three teams who finished with 10 or more wins. The Vikings have so far faced one team likely to reach 10 wins this season and they lost convincingly.
    There’s no comparison. Come back after they win three playoff games by two TDs each. Then we can talk. Or at least wait until they beat a playoff-caliber team. It hasn’t happened yet.
    And what’s with your obsession with tapered shits? Whatever it is, leave me out of it. I’ll let you roll in all the tapered shits you want. Hell, post your address and I’ll mail you some extra.

  113. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 17, 2009 5:45 PM

    Chickenfoot says:
    November 17, 2009 4:47 PM
    ALL DAY stays healthy, he is going to come close to Emmits yardage total.
    ——————————
    That’s the key right there, isn’t it? 3 out of the last 4 seasons Peterson has missed games due to injury. And the way he runs his career will be shorter than many backs.
    He’s an amazing talent, no doubt about it. But there’s a reason he wasn’t picked #1 overall. Injury concerns.

  114. packers4life says: Nov 17, 2009 6:19 PM

    “Butler got picks and got to blitz more I see. No way he defends the run better than Twon. He mows down the biggest backs with ease. Never said Butler wasn’t good.”
    Butler actually was a Hall of Fame nominee for this year so that says something. He is also the first defensive back in NFL history to get into the 20/20 club (20+ sacks & 20+ interceptions). You got to admit that recording 20+ sacks as a SS is pretty darn impressive.

  115. PervyHarvin says: Nov 17, 2009 6:22 PM

    Adam-Chris Scheftersen says:
    November 17, 2009 5:42 PM
    Hell, he’s even comparing a CB to a SS. Are we supposed to acknowledge that steaming load of a post?
    ————————————————–
    comparing the best secondary player of each team. You know,Troy defines Pitt. Reed defines Ravens, Twon defines Vikings and Butler 96 Pack. What don’t you get short bus?
    And you can shove those team stats. What they did to 96 teams can’t be compared logically to what the Vikes do with 09 opponents now can they?? DEE DEE DEE Really can only compare playersd at their position and their production.
    I’ll give you a point on Keith Jackson,sure Shank will beat those stats this year though. Not to mention ,the game and its athletes tend to grow bigger,stronger and faster all the time. We talking a 13 year spread genius.
    And forget the objective crap, I bleed purple. Treated it pretty fairly though. Suprised you didn’t try to bash Harvin for Howard. You may have some brain matter in there!!

  116. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 17, 2009 7:11 PM

    I feel bad you’re getting this much hate thrown at you Pervy. I thought it was a very intelligent and well-thought out post. Looks like you put serious research into it too.
    I mean, you’re still wrong about the TE’s and RT, but otherwise, it was a breath of fresh air. It just sucks that (as predicted) this particular crowd can’t appreciate your hard work.

  117. PervyHarvin says: Nov 17, 2009 9:17 PM

    @ BeerCheeseSoup -LOL Don’t feel bad my friend. I totally expected to get drilled even worse than this. Not to mention,I love the rival banter. Good,clean fun!

  118. Supersuckers says: Nov 17, 2009 10:12 PM

    It boils down to this. Vikings, win a title. Or shut up. You can’t compare some run of the mill Viking team to a title winner.

  119. Supersuckers says: Nov 17, 2009 10:26 PM

    Chicken,
    You haven’t seen anything yet. You play 12 weeks to put yourself in position to make a run. Then it starts. I have seen more intensity from a girls soccer team then I have seen out of the Minnesota Vikings this year. We don’t need february to distinguish. In my humbled opinion Minnesota will be done before that. But again, I know nothing and have no crystal ball so I could be eating “crow” the retort will be “well how was the intensity when we beat your pack twice”? We swept your asses two years in a row and it meant nothing. IF we play again….your sweep means nothing. You know how this is going to end people. i know you do. Don’t deny it.

  120. Stinemonster says: Nov 17, 2009 10:40 PM

    Man. This is a Cowboys Packers crappy game post and it’s turned into a Purple Green shoot out. I thought the Egirles and Cowboys hated each other.

  121. Chickenfoot says: Nov 17, 2009 10:42 PM

    i knew stat boy ( adam 2 tapered shitterson)
    Would not be able to keep his ” unbiased opinion” out of it.
    You actually want to mail me shit? You have some in storage?
    If you want to e-mail some shit, if you ask super, i think you amy still be able to qualify for Big Turd 09. he can fill you in on the details.
    Or you can start practicing for BT10.
    Super: you can compare any teams you want to.
    How well do you think the Duluth Eskimos of 1921, would fare against the 1974 Montreal Alouttes of the CFL?
    how about the Chicago Blitz Vs. Lacrosse Spartans?
    See it’s easy you can do it.
    What you are trying to say and it’s pretty damn stupid, that this Vikes team doesn’t belong in the conversation because they haven’t won anything…right?
    That’s pretty condescending at best and irrational at worst.

  122. Supersuckers says: Nov 18, 2009 8:10 AM

    Im saying its irrelevant. Its the same as comparing the teams you just mentioned.

  123. Chickenfoot says: Nov 18, 2009 8:40 AM

    Super:
    Your posts are irrelevant. I don’t understand, if you feel that way about it, why keep commenting on it?? You’ve made your point…..well, you have made your point with your “qualifiers” AGAIN!
    Don’t understand why you can’t just take a stand?
    Well, you kind of do at the end. Tell me, are you actually one of those idiots that looks to the past for the answers to the future?
    I’m embarassed for you if you are. If you believe in curses, jinxes and the like, I’m not real sure you qualify to debate sports with me.
    You actually beleive in all that superstitious crap?
    You can’t see me, but I’m giving you the Stink eye right now! Hope nothing bad happens to you today.

  124. PervyHarvin says: Nov 18, 2009 9:21 AM

    @ Supersuckers –
    I am willing to bet that the Favre led 09Vikings could easily handle 13-1 1962 Championship Packers.
    RB- AD vs. Jim Taylor
    AD is great,but sure we could agree Taylor is faster and more punishing.
    Winner: Taylor
    Kicking-Jerry Kramer vs. Ryan Longwell
    We’ll give Longwell the edge due to kicking shoe advancement.
    Winner: Longwell
    Could you finish the breakdown Supersuckers, I’m starting to see this match up is close and very relevant. Please join in! LMAO

  125. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 18, 2009 12:59 PM

    Chickenfoot says: November 18, 2009 8:40 AM
    Super:
    I’m embarassed for you if you are. If you believe in curses, jinxes and the like, I’m not real sure you qualify to debate sports with me.
    ____________________________________
    He doesn’t qualify to debate sports PERIOD. He has even said so himself. Yet, for some mind-numbing reason, he continues to do it.
    I’ve taken to just ignoring his banter and head games altogether. You might do well to do the same.
    ____________________________________
    Ooh, Pervy-can I join in?
    Okay, QB-As you know, we Pack fans judge talent by number of Superbowl wins, regardless of whether that’s relevant or not, so..
    Winner: Starr
    DL-No one in the league was 300+ back then. And even if someone were, they didn’t have the mobility of the Williams’. Even without Allen, Vikes would win this one, but the fact that they HAVE Allen doesn’t hurt either.
    Winner: Vikings
    LB-The only LBs in league history worthy to carry Nitschke’s jock played for the Steelers in the 70’s.
    Winner: Pack
    Okay, someone else’s turn…

  126. PervyHarvin says: Nov 18, 2009 1:23 PM

    @ BeerCheeseSoup – LOL Starr over Favre?? Bet you believed I was actually serious about AD being less than Taylor? LOL
    I will go Nitschke though,bad ass dude.
    Would be 78-7. Really can’t compare eras that far apart. Too much size and speed now.
    And the TE’s? WR? lol

  127. paranoidandroid says: Nov 18, 2009 1:37 PM

    I thought you said you were leaving Super?
    Oh and that “I don’t know anything” disclaimer you keep repeating is tired. Let it go man!

  128. Supersuckers says: Nov 18, 2009 1:49 PM

    Well I don’t know anything. You know even less!

  129. Chickenfoot says: Nov 18, 2009 3:00 PM

    Beer:
    I can’t ignore him, he’s a good friend of mine.

  130. TheBaySay says: Nov 18, 2009 3:47 PM

    Obviously fair-minded people (and Vikings fans) can disagree on topics of controversy. One rather significant part of the equation which hasn’t really been touched upon:
    Vince Lombardi
    Mike Holmgren
    Brad Childress
    ’nuff said? Probably not. But it is for me.

  131. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 18, 2009 8:08 PM

    PervyHarvin says:
    @ BeerCheeseSoup – LOL Starr over Favre?? Bet you believed I was actually serious about AD being less than Taylor? LOL
    ____________________________________
    Since you couldn’t tell, that was meant as a joke, kind of a play on the constant “how many Superbowls have you guys won?/How many have YOU won since the 60’s?” debate.
    That’s why I said we Pack fans judge everything by number of championships. I personally don’t, but most of our fans seem to, particularly doing losing seasons.
    Of course, by that rationale, a lot of the Packers teams over the years, even dating back to 1923, would be better than any Vikings team EVER. That’s completely ridiculous, but it still seems to be Suck’s take on the debate.
    Yes, I knew you were joking about the Peterson/Taylor comparison. Dudes as fast as Adrian Peterson didn’t even exist in 1962. That’s simply evolution at work.
    Right or wrong, I still say Nitschke could start for most modern teams though, and maybe even Dave Robinson along with him. They’d both be better than Hawk anyway, lol..

  132. PervyHarvin says: Nov 18, 2009 8:28 PM

    LOL Gotcha BeerCheese I do think the Butkus,Nitschke, Bednarik(SP?) types don’t live today. Dinosaurs. What a shame.

  133. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Nov 19, 2009 12:23 AM

    Chickenfoot says:
    November 17, 2009 10:42 PM
    i knew stat boy ( adam 2 tapered shitterson)
    Would not be able to keep his ” unbiased opinion” out of it.
    You actually want to mail me shit? You have some in storage?
    ——————————-
    You’re the one obsessed with shit, as evidenced once again by your posts.
    Since you had absolutely nothing to say about my response to Pervy’s “well thought out” comparison, I’ll assume you don’t have a leg to stand on. Neither does Pervy.
    As I’ve said, the ’09 Vikings haven’t beaten anyone good yet.

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