Jim Brown spills the beans on Holmgren

And here’s more evidence why the Browns shouldn’t give former players positions of influence in the organization.

Though we have immense respect for Jim Brown’s on-field accomplishments, he tends to be a little loose in the lips when it comes to exercising discretion.  The most recent example?  He let the cat out of the bag today regarding the pursuit of former Packers and Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren by Browns owner Randy Lerner.

“At this moment, right now Randy Lerner is meeting with one of the great
football minds in this country,” Brown said at a Tuesday luncheon.  “And if things work out, that person will come in
to run the football side of the Browns.”

Brown would not disclose the name of the person, but when asked if the person was Holmgren, Brown said, “You said it . . . and I heard it.”

But if Lerner isn’t also interviewing a minority candidate, he could have a problem.  Earlier this year, NFL owners extended the Rooney Rule to executive-level front-office positions.

“This policy specifically requires clubs to interview at least one
minority candidate as part of the hiring process for a club’s senior
football operations position
, whether described as general manager,
executive vice president of football operations, or otherwise,” the
league said in a release.

So if Lerner is, as widely reported, looking for a “football czar,” he’ll apparently need to conduct a search that includes a face-to-face interview with at least one minority candidate.

Then there’s the question of whether a Rooney Rule-compliant search must be conducted now for an interim czar-type job and then again after the season ends for the permanent hire.  This specific approach applies to hiring coaches; there’s no reason to think it doesn’t also apply to the senior football operations job.

We assume that Lerner is conscious of these potential glitches in the process, and that he won’t put the cart before the horse.  You know, like hiring a coach before hiring a G.M.

Um.  Never mind.
 

65 responses to “Jim Brown spills the beans on Holmgren

  1. can you picture mangini standing next to holmgren at a press conference? these guys look like they could have been separated at birth. holmgren in then mangini is out.

  2. Why does everyone think Holmgren will be a savior as a “football czar”? The one and only time he had authority over personnel, he botched it so badly he had his GM position stripped from him. Once a GM was in place and he was back to just coaching, he brought Seattle to the Super Bowl.
    If Cleveland wants to contend, hire Holmgren as a coach, not a czar or GM.

  3. Someone needs to pull Lerner aside and slap some sense into him. Now. Why is he so insistent on making the same mistakes, over and over?

  4. The league’s PLAYERS may be 70% Black. Management is 95% White. No one’s bitching; it’s a rule. Only one complaining is you.

  5. Why on God’s green earth do the Browns even tell this guy things like this?
    If it’s true, this is great news for Browns fans. Somewhere, Eric Mangini pooped in his pants a little bit. Of course, we can expect to read a quote from him tomorrow that he and Holmgren are bestest buds and all.
    Clean up that resume, Fat Boy.

  6. Holmgren is overrated.
    Even Brad Childress and his “kick ass offense” looks amazing with Brett Favre at the head…
    And honestly, the Seahawks didn’t take off until after he was removed as GM.
    And now he’s going to be the “guru” in Cleveland?
    Ouch. Poor Browns.

  7. The Rooney rule is the most racist thing ever. As a black man how does it make you feel to know that you are just being interviewed to meet some quota and not seriously being considered based off of your intelligence or ability to do the same job? Way to take integrity away from man.

  8. Why do you continue to give a voice to a woman abuser?
    because he ran well when housing the football? yea that makes great sense.
    Good work.

  9. At what point will they extend the Rooney Rule further? Howabout requiring teams to work out at least one white guy for RB and WR?

  10. Isn’t Jim Brown the self-designated arbiter of all things racial? Recall him calling out Tiger Woods this summer. If Jim Brown is OK with Holmgren, then the Rooney Rule should be waived. So say we all.

  11. I am so sick of the Rooney rule. If there were someone of the indian race worthy of the job they would interview them.

  12. Interview Terrell Owens, he isn’t a player anymore, and nobody will say you didn’t follow the Rooney rule.
    AND, you don’t have to hire him either

  13. Maybe the Rooney rule will save them from once again hiring the first available guy that shows an interest.
    What’s so great about Holmgren? Had complete control in Seattle and … look at the Seahawks now.
    And he’s older and fatter. More like Mangini.
    There’s no magic guy out there. They should look at how Atlanta got themselves out of the mess they were in.

  14. Pause a second to think who made the quote…they could do a quick interview with that same guy and satisfy all the liberals.

  15. My question is, how would Lord Florio know one way or another who all has or has not been interviewed.
    This blog is just another pitiful attempt to stir up controversy where there is none!

  16. Hey Slow Joe,
    Can you tell me what players brought the Seattle Seahawks to the Superbowl and won something like 8 divisional titles in a row?
    You must have forgotten it was all the players Holmgren acquired.

  17. as soon as charlie weiss gets fired from notre dame, they should hire him as the offensive coordinator. he made quinn look like an nfl prospect with pretty much the same caliber of receivers. quinn respected him. then they could keep mangina at head coach, and bring back romeo for the defense, at the very least, if romeo turns it down, they could get out of paying his buy out. they would have 3 former patriots assistants and the three collectively would have somewhat of an idea to win a perennial competitor one would hope.

  18. ok lerner, interview Van Jones! Now your all czared up! Maybe give him one of those bogus credit cards that your old man used to push on stupid college kids while your at it….

  19. Why doesn’t the Rooney rule apply to players? Shouldn’t there be at least one white cornerback in this league?
    Fballguy

  20. Holmgren a “football czar”??? As a coach, yes, but as a GM, no way. His tenure in Seattle was a disaster until Ted Thompson was hired to run the draft. Oh.. and GirthyOne, most of that Seattle SB team was built by Ted Thompson, look it up…

  21. They should pull the trigger on Holmgren. It probably won’t help but between him and Mangini they could hold some kickass hotdog eating contests.

  22. I am so sick of the Rooney rule. If there were someone of the indian race worthy of the job they would interview them.
    Yeah, and blacks were so sick of lynchings, castrations and leaders getting assassinated. and im sure indians were sick of being massacred to make way for “America”
    Didnt start the Rooney Rule, but ah slavery tends to put things in its proper context. If it never happened, there’d ultimately be no “Rooney Rule”

  23. Personally, I wish the Rooney Rule would go away. But in reality, I think we must see it for what it really is: there is no chance said interviewee will get this job, but it does get them in front of the ownership teams and exposes their potential should they interview well. So when the owners get together and smoke their big fat cigars rolled in $100 bills, they can say something like “Tony Dungy seems to have some potential”, etc.
    Per the above, the fact it does not extend to all levels of coaches is actually disheartening. “Coach” is going to bring in “his guys”, etc.
    My suggestion is that they should interview 3 minority candidates similar to a firing squad. At least then they can walk away debating which one was the true token interview.
    Next, there is no stipulated order in which interviews must be conducted. So why not start with the obvious ones who have proven capable at the job. Question Holmgren as GM, but he is Mike Holmgren and pretty darn respected.
    And lastly, what makes it so absurd is the fact that Superbowl winning head coaches should automaticaly be considered a minority. Seriously, Cowher, Shanahan, Holmgren, Gruden should be “hireable” on the spot.

  24. Browns should give one of their own from Ohio Jon Gruden a shot.
    Its funny you talk to Browns fans about Jim And they he is an honorable human being.
    This franchise should distance himself from this pile of garbage who is a militant bully and will never change, Jim also follows Islam which teaches to murder people.
    Bring Chucky to Cleveland.

  25. I have said it before and will say it again and again and again. As long as Jim Brown is running his fool mouth and has the ear of the owner in Cleveland, the Clowns are doomed to mediocrity. He has undermined every coach and GM since the Browns returned the be the doormats of the NFL. Jim Brown is no Johnny U. Be seen, sign autographs, cheer for the team, be an ambassador for the city and mind your own freaking business. But then this is Jim Brown we are talking about. You see how well Maruice Clarett did with Jim Brown as his mentor. It amazes me how this guy can continue to wring money out of an NFL career that ended decades ago.

  26. I am of the opinion that a man should be judged by the content of his character, not the color of his skin. It is demeaning to suggest that a man should get an interview simply because of racial makeup, whether it be African-American, Hispanic, Asian or something else (though the Rooney rule seems only concerned with one particular minority group). There is currently ample evidence of coaches of all backgrounds and racial makeups to suggest that any qualified candidate would be considered for the job. The Rooney rule did not make them good coaches, nor do I see it opening any opportunity for any present day coach. The business of the NFL requires winning and no one is going to risk a multi-million dollar operation on any candidate, Rooney rule notwithstanding, simply because they are racially suited.
    I am a Minnesota Vikings fan who loved Dennis Green as a coach. He was the best coach the Vikings ever had IMHO and I have been a fan since Van Brocklin. I dont think that because he is African-American, I think it was because he won games and coached the men under his command. He drafted excellently and won us several division championships. While I am sure that he is proud of his heritage I personally find it demeaning to him and his accomplishments to phrase them all with the beginning… The black coach…
    I dont think that Lombardi, who was discriminated against himself prior to getting his NFL coaching job, ever had his coaching acumen extolled for being Italian, though I am sure he was proud to be one.

  27. 1stngoal is right. Holmgren was terrible as a GM in Seattle. Ted Thompson brought in some of the SuperBowl guys, Whitsitt brought in a few, Holmgren brought in a few, it was kinda mixed. However, Holmgren has a reputation here in Seattle for remaining loyal to players that aren’t working out (such as Jerramy Stevens) simply because it was his pick. I don’t know if I’d want Holmgren as a GM – nobody in Seattle is asking for that, so that should tell you Cleveland fans something. Don’t you think if he was so great at turning around franchises the pathetic Seahawks would be knocking on his door? Well, we’re not, and actually the fans here would be pretty angry if they did hire Holmgren back as a GM. Most of the diehard ‘Hawks fans I know (and I know a LOT of them) are hoping for someone more like Parcells to come in and replace Tim Ruskell, who has totally sucked as a GM here in Seattle (worse even than Holmgren).

  28. Maybe they should interview Jim Brown for GM while trying to keep a straight face.
    How about old Marty Shottenheimer? He had some good teams in Cleveland (despite Modell), Kansas City, and in San Diego. Sure, he’s a task master but, isn’t that what Mangenius needs?
    Marty could GM & Holgrem could coach.
    Watch Mangenius take credit for suggesting Holgrem to Lerner!

  29. Yea, now looking back on it, it was a horrible decision for Baltimore to put Ozzie Newsome in position to run the team….
    Has nothing to do with players working with teams, it has everything to do with the individual you choose

  30. The minorities don’t have a problem with having way more players minority than the non minorities. Best man gets the job, interviewing someone just becuase of their race is ridiculous.

  31. no CB may be signed without first trying out a Chinese or White prospect. No team may sign a white punter until a black punter is actually paid a salary first.

  32. # callmecougar says: November 17, 2009 9:40 PM
    Jim Brown is a turd and apparently Reggie Rucker’s favorite snack is poop.
    ==================================
    Say that to his face. They’ll be scraping you off the side walk like poop

  33. # Scientific says: November 17, 2009 8:30 PM
    “The league’s PLAYERS may be 70% Black. Management is 95% White. No one’s bitching; it’s a rule. Only one complaining is you.”
    =================================
    Thank you! Somebody gets it!

  34. Above comments is why Rush Limbaugh didnt get a sniff of ownership…this is what kind of climate he manipulates.

  35. WashingtonRedstorms says: November 17, 2009 11:43 PM
    Browns should give one of their own from Ohio Jon Gruden a shot.
    Its funny you talk to Browns fans about Jim And they he is an honorable human being.
    This franchise should distance himself from this pile of garbage who is a militant bully and will never change, Jim also follows Islam which teaches to murder people.”
    ===================================
    You’re an utter idiot. Jim Brown as a man, period. he was no prima donna..he was a humanist who sought to make life better for his people, economically and spiritually – he went to the prisons which are slave labor camps for corporations and a sess pool of criminality both white and black – he tried to REHABILITATE people with the Amer-I-CAN program. He balled like a mother for nine years never missed a game, broke the color line in Cinema in the late 60s and changed sports from the usual “step and fetch its” like Irv Cross and other MLB blacks (wont even mention them ,theres so many)
    and brought out true revolutionaries.

  36. The Rooney Rule is a racist rule, no matter how you slice it. Just like affirmative action, it is a rule based on race, and by definition is racist.
    Honestly, if there was a minority candidate out there who was qualified to do the job, he would get an interview. There isn’t a single owner (in his right mind – AL) that would pass on an opportunity to make money simply over race. If you are a minority, and you have the connections and drive to get the job done, you will get the job.
    I agree with some of the commentors: How come there is no Rooney rule for players? If the players are 70% black, then shouldn’t there be a balancing rule??? Let’s make another racist rule to avoid appearing racist!

  37. @ Purple People Eater – You’re telling me that you like Dennis Green better than Bud Grant?? Nothing against Dennis, he did almost get to the Superbowl, but Bud made it to four of them (even if he did lose them all).
    The only thing that’s good about the Rooney Rule is that even if the powers that be don’t hire the minority candidate, he gets interview experience. Besides, the owners still get to hire whoever they want. Look at all the great minority coaches who were obviously qualified, but the owners still went with the same old retreads.

  38. Do you black guys get offended by the Rooney Rule, as if you weren’t capable of getting an interview without it??
    I’m not black, but I think if it were me I’d find it a terrible insult…..Being treated like when your a kid and playing with older kids and they let you score so you don’t feel bad…………Offensive to a grown man, if you ask me.

  39. # tatum32 says: November 18, 2009 8:32 AM
    “You’re an utter idiot. Jim Brown as a man, period. he was no prima donna..he was a humanist who sought to make life better for his people, economically and spiritually – he went to the prisons which are slave labor camps for corporations and a sess pool of criminality both white and black – he tried to REHABILITATE people with the Amer-I-CAN program. He balled like a mother for nine years never missed a game, broke the color line in Cinema in the late 60s and changed sports from the usual “step and fetch its” like Irv Cross and other MLB blacks (wont even mention them ,theres so many)
    and brought out true revolutionaries.”
    Blah blah blah…so what, none of that changes the FACT that he’s a flaming bigoted racist who has hurt more than help the current Browns. Oh and tough guy, saying it to his face or not wouldn’t change the truth of what’s being said. The guy is a straight up scumbag. If you wanna hitch your wagon to a racist wife beater like him then knock yourself out but don’t expect the rest of us to jump on that rickety ride.

  40. The Rooney Rule doesnt make sense. The culture of the NFL has clearly changed when within 1 year Lovie Smith, Romeo Crennel, Tony Dungy, Herm Edwards, Jim Caldwell, Mike Tomlin, Marvin Lewis, Mike Singletary, Raheem Morris, and now Perry Farrell have all been head coaches, with 7 of them still head coaches. Not to mention tons of assistant head coaches like Ray Rhodes, Greg Blache and Mike Sherman. Thats 7/32 head coaches being black, nearly 1/4 of the league. We have a black president for petes sake. Give it a rest…

  41. the rooney rule is retarded. owners aren’t racist, they just want to win. if the best man for the job is a black man, he’ll get the job.

  42. texasPHINSfan says:
    the rooney rule is retarded. owners aren’t racist, they just want to win. if the best man for the job is a black man, he’ll get the job.
    ____________________________________
    Too true. If a halfbreed (like me) can get the highest job in the country, they can conceivably get ANY job. True racism has effectively ended. Now it’s only those like Al Sharpton and others, who need to be able to play the victim card to be successful, that are perpetuating it and pretending it’s still a major issue.
    The Rooney Rule itself (as many affirmative action policies) is far more discriminatory than anything else in the NFL.
    I find it completely insulting, that people feel the ONLY way the “rest of us” can get a job is if people are forced to hire/interview us. I can’t speak for everyone of course, but I’ve always done just fine on my own.
    This is what happens when a bunch of 70+ year-olds think they know anything about the world today. It’s disgraceful.

  43. You’re an utter idiot. Jim Brown as a man, period. he was no prima donna..he was a humanist who sought to make life better for his people, economically and spiritually – he went to the prisons which are slave labor camps for corporations and a sess pool of criminality both white and black – he tried to REHABILITATE people with the Amer-I-CAN program. He balled like a mother for nine years never missed a game, broke the color line in Cinema in the late 60s and changed sports from the usual “step and fetch its” like Irv Cross and other MLB blacks (wont even mention them ,theres so many)
    and brought out true revolutionaries.
    Well, I should have spotted a militant Raider fan. Jim Brown a humanist whoopie doo?
    I guess he is not a humanist when it comes to women. I am sure Mr Tatum(A man who Paralyzed another)
    You have a Mom, how would you like if I kicked her around daily?
    That same rule applies to all women.
    BTW how is Tatum doing these days, soon he will be wearing diapers.
    Raider fans prove time and time they are utter the scum of the world.
    They love crime and criminals, until its committed against one of their Raider douchebags.

  44. 1stngoal says:
    November 17, 2009 10:07 PM
    Holmgren a “football czar”??? As a coach, yes, but as a GM, no way. His tenure in Seattle was a disaster until Ted Thompson was hired to run the draft. Oh.. and GirthyOne, most of that Seattle SB team was built by Ted Thompson, look it up…
    ==================================
    UMM…..wrong!!
    Ruskell came in and turned over about 1/3 of Thompson’s assemble roster!
    Look it up!
    I hate revisionist history.
    Thompson is an idiot and so are you for aysing that he built that team!
    Beer: Nice post. I’m not sure about racism effectively being ended. I still see alot of it out there( I’m caucasian) i worked at a Members only club. The 70-80 year old guys still spew the same ignorance. What has changed is I think their kids and grandkids are starting to think for themselves and not following in those stupid footsteps.
    I did like your take on it though, thanks for posting it. Spot on with the 70 year olds!

  45. tatum32 says:
    November 18, 2009 5:33 AM
    # callmecougar says: November 17, 2009 9:40 PM
    Jim Brown is a turd and apparently Reggie Rucker’s favorite snack is poop.
    ==================================
    Say that to his face. They’ll be scraping you off the side walk like poop
    Hey tatum32 a.k.a. “kill y-t”. Did you just wake up from a coma that started in 1957? The year is 2009. Your people are free to vote. Our country’s President is half African American. In fact, he was even born in Kenya.
    And Jim Brown is almost 90. He’s not kicking anyone’s ass, especially not mine. So shut your yapper before I smack you in the mouth.

  46. tatum32 says:
    November 18, 2009 8:32 AM
    WashingtonRedstorms says: November 17, 2009 11:43 PM
    Browns should give one of their own from Ohio Jon Gruden a shot.
    Its funny you talk to Browns fans about Jim And they he is an honorable human being.
    This franchise should distance himself from this pile of garbage who is a militant bully and will never change, Jim also follows Islam which teaches to murder people.”
    ===================================
    You’re an utter idiot. Jim Brown as a man, period. he was no prima donna..he was a humanist who sought to make life better for his people, economically and spiritually – he went to the prisons which are slave labor camps for corporations and a sess pool of criminality both white and black – he tried to REHABILITATE people with the Amer-I-CAN program. He balled like a mother for nine years never missed a game, broke the color line in Cinema in the late 60s and changed sports from the usual “step and fetch its” like Irv Cross and other MLB blacks (wont even mention them ,theres so many)
    and brought out true revolutionaries.
    Tatum32 a.k.a. “kill y-t” you need to get over your mandingo crush and face reality. Jim Brown is a fraud. He preaches to modern day athletes like Crabtree, telling them to shut up and get into camp, meanwhile he never honored the terms of his last contract with the Browns because he wanted to make movies.
    As far as his b.s. Amer I Can program, it’s nothing more than a shake down. He get’s rich people to pay for the whole thing and then uses the money to hire his dopey friends like Reggie Rucker so they don’t have to get a real job. His group was thrown out of the Cleveland schools because some of his “reformed” workers were caught forcing themselves on female highschool students. If he cared so much about these kids, why doesn’t he spend his own money.
    And as far as Cleveland fans go, no one should worship this turd. He left Cleveland as soon as he quit and only comes back when there’s money to be made for himself. This turncoat even went down to Tampa before SBXXXV to give a pre-game speech to the Ravens.

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