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Lerner continues to support Mangini

With a trip to Detroit for a game that carries with it the opportunity to screw up the first overall pick in the 2010 draft, some are thinking that, if the Browns lose to the 1-8 Lions, coach Eric Mangini could be getting the Dick Jauron treatment.

Not so, says owner Randy Lerner.

I plan on sticking with Eric,” Lerner told the News-Herald by e-mail on Tuesday.

So barring a string of 103-0 losses, it appears that Mangini will finish the year.  After that, however, it would be a shock if he returns.

We also can’t help but wonder whether Lerner quietly is building a case for firing Mangini “with cause.”  The fact that the Browns applied such an approach to former G.M. George Kokinis suggests that no one is immune — and the involvement of Mangini in several different controversies provides plenty of smoke.  Somewhere, there’s likely a flame that would seemingly disqualify Mangini from ongoing payments.

At this point, it’s unknown whether Mangini has done anything to justify termination “with cause.”  But, surely, Lerner is looking, and waiting, for proof that would allow the blunder from January 2009 to be rectified not only quickly, but also cheaply.

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27 Responses to “Lerner continues to support Mangini”
  1. Chains says: Nov 18, 2009 7:01 AM

    This just in: Mangini and Lerner are stockpiling nerdy khaki pants that will be used for world domination.

  2. JAJ says: Nov 18, 2009 7:08 AM

    Couldn’t they fire him for “conduct detremental to the team”?

  3. Hooby says: Nov 18, 2009 7:19 AM

    am i the only one disappointed to see the pic of the day section dissolved?

  4. Ammo says: Nov 18, 2009 7:33 AM

    Isn’t the fact that Mangini overrode Kokinis considered “cause” enough?

  5. rodstiffington says: Nov 18, 2009 7:38 AM

    Yep, sounds like Fredo will be taking a fishing trip 5 miles out on Lake Erie.

  6. Ralph Gre Nader says: Nov 18, 2009 7:45 AM

    Here’s the problem with firing these two idiots “With cause”….THEYRE IN THEIR FIRST YEAR!!! That will be both of their biggest arguments. The biggest problem with firing Mangini with cause is, since the day he was hired he’s publicly been an incompetent bafoon. Unlike Lane Kiffin, who had been far into his contract and then magically morphed into a jerk(or so the crypt keeper says) Mangini has shown no signs of anything other than being a complete A-Hole. And since he’s been an incompetent baffoon from the start that means Lerner is the bigger incompetent baffoon for hiring this yokel witout due diligence.
    So, that being said and the math being done, there is truly only one person in Cleveland who needs to be fired with cause and that’s the one person who’s job is the safest.(unless he gives another crook the keys to his house and gets robbed of not only his money but his job.)

  7. 4EVERABRN says: Nov 18, 2009 7:51 AM

    Come on Randy get rid of the waste of space before he screws the Browns up any more. How is that possible you ask ? Mangina is dieing to trade Cribbs to his beloved jets. So what if on game day I cry for three hours instead of watching the game, is that so wrong ?

  8. Richm2256 says: Nov 18, 2009 8:02 AM

    “At this point, it’s unknown whether Mangini has done anything to justify termination “with cause.”
    Mike, try watching a single Browns game, ANY Browns game.
    There’s your “cause”, right there on tape.

  9. Ralph Gre Nader says: Nov 18, 2009 8:17 AM

    # 4EVERABRN says: November 18, 2009 7:51 AM
    Come on Randy get rid of the waste of space before he screws the Browns up any more. How is that possible you ask ? Mangina is dieing to trade Cribbs to his beloved jets. So what if on game day I cry for three hours instead of watching the game, is that so wrong ?
    Lets break this down…..
    1.) “Come on Randy get rid of the waste of space before he screws the Browns up any more.”
    Not Possible.
    2.)”How is that possible you ask ?”
    I didn’t ask because its not possible
    3.) “Mangina is dieing to trade Cribbs to his beloved jets.”
    Never gonna happen. Lerner won’t approve it.
    4.)”So what if on game day I cry for three hours instead of watching the game, is that so wrong ?”
    Yes. It’s very wrong.

  10. GoBrowns19 says: Nov 18, 2009 8:25 AM

    This entire group of incompetence has come into a town where football is more important that just about anything, and made it obsolete. I’d say that’s cause.

  11. biggredd says: Nov 18, 2009 8:37 AM

    Lerner owed butch davis $12M and normal settlement would have been approx $8M, but Lerner said he wanted to honor the contract and paid butch in full. Now he realizes the value of dads money and is looking for “cause.”

  12. JohnC says: Nov 18, 2009 9:07 AM

    Lerner cannot fire Mangini. Last year’s team implodes under Romeo. When Mangini was hired it was with the understanding that he would have to dismantle this team and then build a new one. He got rid of Edwards and Winslow who were the biggests threats on offense. I agree they needed to go. Mangini stockpiled the draft for next year so we now have 11.
    This was the plan. I knew this is what was going to happen. I don’t know why everyone else is so surprised. Is Mangini kind of an ass. Yes. But he still deserves to finish this out. Will he be successful? I don’t know.

  13. trickbunny says: Nov 18, 2009 9:10 AM

    Fine. Let Mangini stay for the rest of the year- but Mr. Lerner, can you see how the defensive coordinator actually is IMPROVING the defense noticeably? -and can you see that the offense looks worse than it ever has before? That might be Mangini’s fault, but it is most definitely the offensive coordinator’s fault! Can YOU please- or direct Mangini to- freakin’ FIRE BRIAN DABOLL??

  14. sim448 says: Nov 18, 2009 9:10 AM

    1 year and he wants to get rid of him? ridiculous. i hate mangina, but you cant expect him to turn this around in one year. did he pick the qb’s? no. did he put together this dreadful offense? nope. i’m sorry, but you have to give him more than one season to fix that mess. what a joke.

  15. bugatti says: Nov 18, 2009 9:10 AM

    If an owner wants to win he will stick with his coaches. Look at Pittsburgh and Indianapolis and Philly. The owners stick with a coach and coaching staff and let them build a team which, in turn, will build a franchise. Look at what Cincinnati has done. Lewis has been there 7 years, little turn over on the coaching staff and now they lead the division. Slow and steady wins the race every time. Look at the coaches on the browns staff. Excellent, well-respected coaches. Bottom line is players win games – Go get some players.

  16. overkil2 says: Nov 18, 2009 9:18 AM

    I agree, you can’t fire Mangini with cause. Everyone knew he was an idiot when they hired him.

  17. Duan says: Nov 18, 2009 9:22 AM

    Let’s be honest, the downfall to Crennel was the injuries to Anderson and Quinn.
    You look at the stats from last year between week 1 and week 11, they make us look great compared to this years team.
    If it weren’t for Quinn injuring his finger, we wouldn’t even have this conversation right now.
    Chudzinski should have remained as the O-coordinator. I can somewhat see the reasoning behind getting rid of Edwards, but Winslows sure hands were an asset.
    Let me add this tidbit, if they lose to the Lions starting @ 1pm on Saturday, then it shows, you have a coach, who can’t get his team to compete against lower tier teams.
    The Browns have the Lions, Raiders and Chiefs – three teams that are on the same level – if they don’t squeeze out a win against one of those three, there is no justification on keeping Mangini through the end of the season.

  18. nohio says: Nov 18, 2009 9:51 AM

    @sim448 says:
    November 18, 2009 9:10 AM
    1 year and he wants to get rid of him? ridiculous. i hate mangina, but you cant expect him to turn this around in one year. did he pick the qb’s? no. did he put together this dreadful offense? nope. i’m sorry, but you have to give him more than one season to fix that mess. what a joke.
    Sorry to say, but he IS the one who picked the qb’s. He had a chance to pick a qb of his choice in the 2009 draft. If he felt he couldn’t win with either one of the qb’s on the team, he could have drafted Sanchez or whoever he wanted and probably would have gotten a free pass this year and possibly next year with the “rookie quarterback” excuse. Right or wrong the blame lays with the head of the team and that is Mangina.

  19. 90ragtop says: Nov 18, 2009 9:55 AM

    We also can’t help but wonder whether Lerner quietly is building a case for firing Mangini “with cause.” The fact that the Browns applied such an approach to former G.M. George Kokinis suggests that no one is immune…
    ________________________
    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Fire his azz.

  20. urbusted says: Nov 18, 2009 10:04 AM

    AN OPEN LETTER TO RANDY LERNER:
    Sir,
    NO MORE Browns games for me this year. At least that’s my intention after the Monday night game. I’m still a Browns fan, but I can’t watch any more of “that”.
    So Randy, you stick with Eric, or do anything you want for that matter. You can’t get any worse of a product on the field than that. Although you may want Eric to look at the defense now. They’re actually not that bad. They have room to get worse. Let’s put it that way.
    One last question. With your 20 plus million ex-coaches fund, could you find it in your heart to at least buy my Browns gear back? I sure can’t wear my jacket any more. The last time I wore it out of my back yard was to dinner last week. My wife and I went to the local steak house and as we walked in people started laughing. Then one guy started choking on his steak, while still laughing. He’s alright now but a sheriffs deputy said I should be careful with the jacket in public. I turned around and he was laughing too.
    So you continue and be loyal to Eric. I’m sure he deserves your loyalty more than the Browns fans do.

  21. Florio-is-a-tool says: Nov 18, 2009 10:18 AM

    Sorry but clearly the Browns are a poorly coached football team and there is not a single shred of evidence they’re getting better.
    I don’t care that much because I’m not a Browns fan but any fan base deserves better than what that genius is putting on the field. There isn’t a plan, this isn’t something where they need to tweak a few kinks – the team is going in reverse and the only thing that’s amazing about it is that Mangini somehow discovered there is a 4th reverse gear that’s putting them into darkness faster than anyone could have imagined.

  22. Ashamed says: Nov 18, 2009 10:37 AM

    No way do you fire part way through the year. I think getting someone in place as soon as possible to run the organization is a good idea because it will give that person a chance to work with the current staff to see if they can co-exist together. However, if the new Czar feels that Mangini is not the right man for they job then yes they need to fire him at the end of the year. Bring in their own people and put together a quality draft this year. Do not let Mangini have another year for the sake of giving him another year. But the most important thing is getting someone in to run the organization NOW so they can evaluate everyone in the organization and make changes before next year.
    I’m Ashamed and I approve this message.

  23. Brocktoberfest says: Nov 18, 2009 11:02 AM

    That’s cool because I plan on “sticking” with watching Ohio’s real NFL team: the Bengals. Do you think it would help if we put “ACORNS” on our jerseys?

  24. hankbyrne says: Nov 18, 2009 11:05 AM

    The problem sim448 is that he tinkered with the one thing that was working. The offensive line. And his handling of Cribbs who deserves what he is asking for should be enough for “cause” especially after the Monday night game.
    Aside from that, he’s tyranical and that is killing the spirit of this team, keeping players away and driving players away.
    But there is plenty of blame that needs to be assigned to Randy Lerner. And things won’t get better until he wises up and I don’t know if he will ever be a good owner and make the right choices.
    I can’t wait until Mangini is gone. I hated the hire from day one.
    I’m tired of being laughed at for being a Browns fan.

  25. Bill Cowher's Chin says: Nov 18, 2009 11:29 AM

    # bugatti says: November 18, 2009 9:10 AM
    If an owner wants to win he will stick with his coaches. Look at Pittsburgh and Indianapolis and Philly. The owners stick with a coach and coaching staff and let them build a team which, in turn, will build a franchise. Look at what Cincinnati has done. Lewis has been there 7 years, little turn over on the coaching staff and now they lead the division. Slow and steady wins the race every time. Look at the coaches on the browns staff. Excellent, well-respected coaches. Bottom line is players win games – Go get some players.
    ____________________________________
    I was with you, right up until you said: “Excellent, well-respected coaches”
    Hahahahahahahahahaha, I dont think anyone respects Mangini……
    The way he left NE, the way he ratted on Belichick (regardless, you dont rat out the man that gave you everything), the way he took a dump on Kokinis… If he could coach the team, half as good as he can create enemies, this team would be a sure fire SB pick, LMFAO

  26. olskool711 says: Nov 18, 2009 1:23 PM

    Wow, sometimes you can get really frightened about the future of humanity by reading comments on a football board.
    Browns fans, listen once and for all:
    Lerner must sell the team, and to the right person, or there will never be a chance of being a champion of anything. PERIOD
    Get that? Sorry, but discussing Mangini, Kokinis, Savage, etc… will just be exercises in self gratification.
    One other thing, to the guy who said that Mangini stockpiled (11) draft picks by trading Edwards and Winslow. Do you know what you are talking about?
    He traded Winslow for a second (David Vekune, a guy even Hawaii people weren’t that familar with), and a fifth this year. We will get a third and a fifth for Edwards.
    Winslow was the 5th pick in the first round and Edwards was the 3rd pick in the first.
    They were the only two viable playmakers on the Browns, and two guys that they desperately need now. If he kept them, and they had decent seasons, he could get far, far more for them then they got.
    Mangini flat out got worked in these two deals. Then he made a horrible decision on the second rounder he got for Winslow.
    Heck with Mangini, until Lerner goes we have no hope. Whether Mangini could have made it as a head coach or not isn’t the issue anymore. He cannot bounce back from this mess and re-build the Browns into champions anymore. Its all turned to quicksand. The problem starts at the top and trickles all the way down.
    Keep the ballboy. He has potential.

  27. tobago says: Nov 18, 2009 8:45 PM

    who knows and Im almost ready to say who cares.

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