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Breaking down the Revis-Moss film from Week Two

On Thursday, Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis bristled at the suggestion that he didn’t truly handle Pats receiver Randy Moss one-on-one in the Week Two showdown between New England and New York.

The dispute emerged because reporters asked Revis about the observation of Pats coach Bill Belichick that Revis had help “over the top.” 

Though it’s rare that a defense would provide no safety help for a cornerback covering one of the top receivers in the league, the question of whether Revis operated during that game as a true shutdown/take-away-half-the-field cornerback seems to depend on whether he truly covered Moss completely on his own.

And it appears that Revis didn’t.

A scout with access to the “all-22″ film has reviewed at our request the 77 offensive snaps taken by the Patriots in that game.  Under the express caveat that interpreting the film requires some subjectivity due to efforts to disguise coverage, here’s what the source had to say.

On seven of the plays, the Jets used “some sort of true double coverage” (i.e., two defenders assigned to Moss), with the corner being joined by a safety.  For most of the other 70 plays, the source noticed consistent evidence that Revis was getting assistance behind him.

“The Jets scheme typically was to have their corners be very aggressive
with Moss at the line of scrimmage by jamming, rerouting, and using the
sideline,” the source said.  “It appears that, throughout most of the game, there was a
safety lingering over the top in some sort of zone. 

“Most of the
coverages were some sort of man under with the safeties playing zone
over the top.  This makes it easier for the corners because they can be
more physical underneath with the receivers because they realize that
someone is behind them covering the deep zone passes if the receiver
gets behind.  This is not a true double coverage, but it is
generally understood that there is a good chance that a corner will
have help down the field.”

Also, Revis didn’t draw Moss on every single play.  In one instance, linebacker Bart Scott lined up over Moss in press coverage, with safety Jim Leonhard backing Scott up.

“A lot is just semantics and interpretation,” the source said. “Were the Jets truly double covering Moss all over the field?  No.  Did they favor him on most plays?  Yes.”

The source made a few other observations that could be relevant to Sunday’s rematch.

“[Patriots quarterback Tom] Brady played like shit,” the source said.  “He was not accurate and appeared flustered.  The game was early, he was coming off a knee [injury], and he is playing way better now.”

The source also opined that the Pats’ offensive game plan “sucked,” pointing out that New England “did not really challenge down the field and the Jets were allowed to dictate the game on defense by doing what they wanted to do.”

And then there’s the fact that Moss has been playing of late like it’s 1999.

“Moss looked slow” the source said of the Week Two performance.   “I think his back may have been an issue.  Or he was frustrated.  He, too, is healthy now.”

Bottom line from the source?  “I think the Jets were lucky to play the Patriots so early.   And when was the last time New England lost two games to a divisional opponent in any given season?”

That’s a good question.  So we looked it up.  The Pats haven’t been swept by an AFC East rival since 2000, Bill Belichick’s first year in Foxborough.  That season, the Pats lost to the Jets twice (20-19 and 33-17) and the Dolphins twice (10-3 and 27-24).

So it probably would make sense to get Moss on your fantasy team this week.  Maybe the person who owns Moss in my league would be interested in Ronnie Brown. . . .

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46 Responses to “Breaking down the Revis-Moss film from Week Two”
  1. jetermkt55 says: Nov 19, 2009 12:36 PM

    Good follow up post Florio.

  2. Richm2256 says: Nov 19, 2009 12:37 PM

    Kudos to the source for breaking things down so well, and good move by Florio to call in that favor.
    Hang on Jets fan, going to be a Zantac kind of day Sunday. Revis has been called out for thinking he’s better than he was, and the Brady/Moss combo has something to prove to him this time – and they’re in top of the season form, to boot!
    You thought you saw Rex Ryan cry LAST week, hoo Nellie, just wait ’till next Monday!

  3. jd says: Nov 19, 2009 12:37 PM

    Great article. This type of real analysis should be done more often.

  4. TheTitanofNewYork says: Nov 19, 2009 12:41 PM

    Your source sounds a bit bias towards the Pats…but who isn’t in the media or NFL…

  5. Lucky5927 says: Nov 19, 2009 12:43 PM

    This is rediculous. Of course their was a safety back there “behind” Revis and Moss”. Teams usually don’t play Cover Zero unless they are inside their own 5 yard line and playing straight up man defense. Usually, it is cover 1 (one safety back), cover 2 (2 safeties covering a half of the field, Cover 3 or cover 4. I don’t think we need an expert to break down the plays to tell us the jets had a defensive safety as the last line of defense. Revis shut down Moss on a day when the Patriots looked lethargic and lost. They are obviously looking much better now. Revis will have his hands full this weekend, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that Revis is one of the best corners in the league, if not the best, and held Moss in check the last time they played.

  6. yarlmak says: Nov 19, 2009 12:44 PM

    Thanks for the substantive analysis on this one Florio.
    Such insights are somewhat rare in this often wildly speculative forum. Of course, the scout’s conclusion – “a lot of it is just semantics” reminds me of a Sgt. Dignam one liner from Departed- “maybe yes, maybe no, maybe go f!@k yourself.”

  7. RIP__21 says: Nov 19, 2009 12:47 PM

    Should I start a healthy Brady vs the jets 3rd ranked pass defense or Favre vs the 22nd ranked seattle pass d. Hmmmmmmmmmmm

  8. HarrisonHits says: Nov 19, 2009 12:52 PM

    In other words Revis is full of sh*t. Seems to me like he’s as much of a diva as some of the receivers who get that tag. Have fun this weekend Darrelle, I think you better bring some sun tan lotion for the scorching you’re gonna get.

  9. The Notorious V.I.C. says: Nov 19, 2009 12:52 PM

    Hey Florio, just because you had some janitor who works at the Steelers facility re-watch that game using the DirectTV endzone camera angle doesn’t mean that you had “a scout with access to the all-22 film” break the game down for you.

  10. The Notorious V.I.C. says: Nov 19, 2009 12:58 PM

    Lucky 5297: =======”This is rediculous. Of course their was a safety back there “behind” Revis and Moss”. Teams usually don’t play Cover Zero unless they are inside their own 5 yard line and playing straight up man defense. Usually, it is cover 1 (one safety back), cover 2 (2 safeties covering a half of the field, Cover 3 or cover 4. I don’t think we need an expert to break down the plays to tell us the jets had a defensive safety as the last line of defense. Revis shut down Moss on a day when the Patriots looked lethargic and lost.”========
    Of course. But SSssssshh!! Don’t tell anyone. Florio wants everyone to think that he has a great NFL source that is some kind of expert (once again, just because you know a guy who’s a janitor at the Steelers facility or a guy who was a scout for one year in the NFL back in the 70s and now volunteers as a scout for his local high school doesn’t mean you have an NFL source)

  11. belicheck's cheat codes says: Nov 19, 2009 1:00 PM

    I don’t really the axe you need to grind against the Jets, Florio. first it’s all about Rex Ryan and his ‘Super Bowl’ comments and how he shows fire and goes after other teams and their players. Now it’s picking a nit with one of the 2 best CBs in the league? Jeez, why don’t you break down extravagantly film of week 1 when Revis shut down Andre Johnson (who is, sadly to say, a better WR than 2009 Randy Moss), or week 4 with Marques Colston, or the parts of last week when Revis shadowed Mike Sims-Walker? and why don’t you mention any stats in your posts (unless you count ‘Randy Moss circa 1999′ as a stat)? Week 1: 12 rec, 141 yds. Week 2 (against NYJ): 4 rec, 24 yds. Week 3: 10 rec, 116 yds. that’s really crazy how his back was good, then ‘may have been an issue,’ then not an issue whatsoever in 3 consecutive weeks.
    Enough juking the stats, cherrypicking New England-based sources, and picking on the first-year HC of a bad football team. sheesh

  12. The Notorious V.I.C. says: Nov 19, 2009 1:03 PM

    HarrisonHits: ====”In other words Revis is full of sh*t. Seems to me like he’s as much of a diva as some of the receivers who get that tag. Have fun this weekend Darrelle, I think you better bring some sun tan lotion for the scorching you’re gonna get”=====
    God are you a gullible idiot. No wonder the politicians in this country have such an easy time manipulating the idiot masses into whatever direction they please.
    So football expert Florio has some unnamed scout look at the film for him and declare that the Jets weren’t constantly in a Cover 0 or Cover1 defense (what team ever is?) and you’re now completely sold and declare that Revis is full of sh1t and that he’s going to get scorched.
    Why don’t you just wait and see what happens on Sunday before you feel the urge to go Nostradumbass on us?

  13. belicheck's cheat codes says: Nov 19, 2009 1:03 PM

    @HarrisonHits i would prefer that you actually do some research before you wax poetic slash retarded in favor of the Patriots/against their rivals. Darrelle Revis is one of the 2 best corners in the league (not too shabby for a third year player), and while even the best have off games, the only play he’s been beat on this whole season–that he shouldn’t have been–was that long TD pass to Ted Ginn. Also, I remember in Week 2 when Brady stretched the field long to Moss (apparently Florio’s super-secret NE source didn’t catch this play on the “all 22″) and Revis made a filthy interception, something he does routinely on a deep balls. but yeah, Revis Island sucks. he totally doesn’t deserve the All-Pro recognition that awaits him in February.

  14. shinsnake says: Nov 19, 2009 1:07 PM

    This could also be gamesmanship. Perhaps Revis thought that Moss and Brady would be more apt to prove they can’t be stopped with one on one coverage if he gave them a hint that he might be on an island in the game. If they disguise the coverage just right, maybe they can lull him into an interception. I don’t think Brady would fall for that, but it might be worth a try for the Jets. Just a thought…

  15. CT Pats Fan says: Nov 19, 2009 1:08 PM

    And not that there’s anything wrong with doubling up on Moss, it’s just the attempted cover up by Revis looks ridiculous and selfish. He should have just answered with a team-first “we do what we have to do, to win” type of answer. But I guess this is a guy who wants his agent to one day go into negotiations with the line: “My client covered Randy Moss 1-on-1, now pay up”

  16. peskys_pole says: Nov 19, 2009 1:12 PM

    got to wonder about the professionalism of a source when they are quoted as saying
    “…Brady played like shit” and the Pats’ offensive game plan “sucked,”
    they sound an awful like some drunk watching in a bar.

  17. Kate773 says: Nov 19, 2009 1:13 PM

    TheTitanofNewYork says:
    November 19, 2009 12:41 PM
    Your source sounds a bit bias towards the Pats…but who isn’t in the media or NFL…
    ******************************
    Yeah, the media has gone so easy on Belichick. Have you not read anything the past week?

  18. xscottx says: Nov 19, 2009 1:13 PM

    no mention that Welker was a last minute scratch which might have effected the game plan.

  19. Matt Walsh says: Nov 19, 2009 1:26 PM

    Was any of that “22 film” from Belichick’s sideline handy sideline camera?
    Just saying.
    Revis owns Moss.

  20. Discostu570 says: Nov 19, 2009 1:27 PM

    Brady being flustered isn’t exactly an excuse, he was flustered because the Jets were able to knock him on his back consistently. For him to have a better day, his offensive line has to keep him clean, which means holding off a Jets front that roughed them up in September (with Kris Jenkins).

  21. Florio-is-a-tool says: Nov 19, 2009 1:35 PM

    Must be great to be a J-E-T-S fan. How much money are y’all putting on Gholston and Dwayne Robertson having big games? Those are those high draft picks y’all stole from the Patriots…

  22. texasPHINSfan says: Nov 19, 2009 1:46 PM

    this is one of the only games i root for the patriots…. the jets are really *that* disgusting.
    i don’t understand what all this discussion is about. moss and revis are both at the top of the league with regards to their respective positions. i’d gladly take either player on my team. good guys.

  23. thegoldengod says: Nov 19, 2009 1:51 PM

    Revis has played more than one game against Moss and he has always played well. The last time Moss had over 100 yards against the Jets, Andre Dyson was covering him to open the 2007 season. His only touchdown since came on a play that (I believe) Ty Law, a day out of retirement, had the coverage on…
    Revis may not be in man to man 100% of the snaps, but he is a top 5 corner in the league…and anyone can beat any corner given 4-5 secs for a qb to make a pass.
    The Pats can feel free to target the best player on the Jets defense(team), b/c that may be the only way they lose…to have a stupid game plan like that.
    And then we could hear the same “neutral” breakdown about a bad game plan with Brady/Moss tired b/c the Jets suck and they were resting for the Saints…
    How about throw it 50+ times to welker and never leave the game in question…

  24. DC_Bengals_Fan says: Nov 19, 2009 1:51 PM

    So Revis, with a ton of safety help, managed to shut down a gimpy Randy Moss who was playing with a rusty Tom Brady. Now, Moss is healthy and Brady’s playing great. Things will be different.
    It would be tough enough this time without agitating Moss. We all know the guy takes plays off. Well, you can freaking forget *that*.
    Moss is gonna kill Revis. The only question about Revis after the game will be which side of the toast to put the butter on.
    I can’t stand the Patsies, but this is just dumb. Let sleeping dogs lie.

  25. davis1281 says: Nov 19, 2009 1:55 PM

    Revis shut down Andre Johnson (who is, sadly to say, a better WR than 2009 Randy Moss)
    ————————————————-
    moss 2009- 58 rec. 891 yrds 7 tds
    Johnson 2009- 54 rec. 800 yrds 4 tds
    better based on what?

  26. munchkin says: Nov 19, 2009 1:55 PM

    Rex Ryan is led off the field in tears, the Royal Tannenbaum is helped to the Elevator by his PA Vernon Gholston and Mark Sanchez reads from yet another prepared speech only this time he covers a subject he truly understands; the Heimlich Maneuver.

  27. ampats says: Nov 19, 2009 2:17 PM

    Week #1 Revis held Johnson, Week# 2 held Moss
    Wake up!! Its week# 11 and the Jests won their Super Bowl. Brady is going to burn Revis like TOAST!
    Keep talking Rex because you sure are clueless about what it takes to be a successful HC. No wonder the Ravens passed him up for a special teams coach from Philly to be their HC.
    J ust
    E nd
    T he
    S eason
    Fat baby Rex will be crying at his podium Sunday after kissing Bill’s rings.

  28. snnyjcbs says: Nov 19, 2009 2:17 PM

    New England will be 6-4 after the Jets game. As bad as the Jets have been playing I say they thump New England.
    Lets be honest New England is very lucky to be 5-3 at this point. They have been falling each year since the Giants thumped them in the SB and look to be on the wrong side of 40.

  29. SexyRexy says: Nov 19, 2009 2:24 PM

    I see a bunch of PATS lovers and Revis haters. Including you Florio. you seem very impartial. Revis will hold his own. The Jets beat them once this year, so there is no reason to think that they don’t have a another chance.
    Maybe Tom Terrific was not in great form for the first game back after the injury. But then again, he was so hot when he had all that pressure on him in the SB two years ago.
    the key will be pressure and coverage.
    you all can talk smack. we’ll see on Sunday.
    non-believers are douchebags.

  30. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Nov 19, 2009 2:38 PM

    # davis1281 says: November 19, 2009 1:55 PM
    Revis shut down Andre Johnson (who is, sadly to say, a better WR than 2009 Randy Moss)
    ————————————————-
    moss 2009- 58 rec. 891 yrds 7 tds
    Johnson 2009- 54 rec. 800 yrds 4 tds
    better based on what?
    Haha, nice one davis.

  31. simple_simon1 says: Nov 19, 2009 2:47 PM

    I’m posting this again just for some fun.
    Well Revis. This weekend you get your chance to cover Moss again. Stop whining. I don’t hear anybody but you making a really big deal about it.
    And when Moss lights you up for a couple scores and over 100 yards this week, despite help over the top, you can walk across that field and shake Moss’ hand for humbling you. Sound OK?
    Also, make sure to run when your head coach tries to eat you live at halftime.

  32. davis1281 says: Nov 19, 2009 2:48 PM

    Lets be honest New England is very lucky to be 5-3 at this point. They have been falling each year since the Giants thumped them in the SB and look to be on the wrong side of 40.
    ————————————————-
    let’s be honest, you are a dumbass!!
    Brady has played in 9 games since 07.
    And they are 6-3 at this point.

  33. pfii63 says: Nov 19, 2009 2:51 PM

    Nice analytical article – well done. And I agree with an earlier poster – don’t forget that Welker’s absence likely made a difference as well. The Patriots are going to light the Jets up this weekend.

  34. ZombieRevolution says: Nov 19, 2009 2:57 PM

    This is what PFT could use more of- less speculative posts by Florio et al., less rehashing what another outlet produced, and more of analytical things. PFT just might turn into more than a rumour and occassional news breaking site.

  35. simple_simon1 says: Nov 19, 2009 3:05 PM

    snnyjcbs:
    “New England will be 6-4 after the Jets game. As bad as the Jets have been playing I say they thump New England.
    Lets be honest New England is very lucky to be 5-3 at this point. They have been falling each year since the Giants thumped them in the SB and look to be on the wrong side of 40.”
    HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I’ll take that bet. I wish I could find a way to bet you right now. I would bet any amount you feel like putting up. I’ll even give you a 20 point cushion. This game will be over by halftime.
    Everybody counting out the Patriots might be in for a big surprize when they easily walk away with the division and get to play at least one home game before heading back to INDY (if they can win too) to destroy them to go to the Superbowl.

  36. Opie says: Nov 19, 2009 3:10 PM

    PFT used to be more like this! Hell, didn’t there used to be someone who broke down games prior to them being played?!?
    Split off some of that cash, Florio, and get that GM back. Can’t remember his name, but that is what drew me to your site in the first place. Cutting edge analysis….

  37. ampats says: Nov 19, 2009 3:10 PM

    SexyRexy??? We beat them once and we can do it again.
    Your team is in a giant tailspin and your DC,oops I’m sorry HC (what a joke) doesn’t know what to do,maybe why he was crying earlier in the week.
    Change your name to Fatblobering Rexy, its a better fit!!
    Not to worry, the Jests fan will continue to celebrate their Super Bowls like they do every year in September.
    40 YEARS and Counting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  38. FLORIO_IS_A_SELLOUT says: Nov 19, 2009 3:38 PM

    You mentioned “the source” about 10 times. So people doing the simple job of breaking down film don’t want to be outted as your “source”? Like, is this actually serious? You act like “the source” is a top secret FBI informant.. like the Moss/Revis tape is some kind of murder evidence? Dude, I mean, really give us all a break here, your obviously trying to make it seem like you called an “outside source” for this film breakdown, when it was really just Rosenthal smoking weed and eating pizza in his basement while watching an old game tape.

  39. rusH1023 says: Nov 19, 2009 4:14 PM

    Lucky5927 says:
    This is rediculous.
    No, you spelling ridiculous like that is ridiculous.
    _________________________________________________
    RIP__21 says:
    Should I start a healthy Brady vs the jets 3rd ranked pass defense or Favre vs the 22nd ranked seattle pass d. Hmmmmmmmmmmm
    I dunno. I personally think Brady will PUMMEL them. The stats don’t matter in some cases.

  40. Scoop says: Nov 19, 2009 4:14 PM

    The fact that Revis can’t let this go makes me wonder if Ryan’s mouth and over-inflated sense of self isn’t contagious. It’s not like the Jets don’t already come with ridiculous hype, but the addition of Ryan seems to be almost pathological. They seem to believe as a team that you can make inherent weakness go away by flapping the jaw or by smothering it with bravado straddling the line of self deluded lunacy.
    Poor Jets fans…it couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch….

  41. finsbooyah says: Nov 19, 2009 4:36 PM

    belicheck’s cheat codes says: “Darrelle Revis is one of the 2 best corners in the league”
    So who exactly is ahead of Revis? Is it…
    Asomougha
    Bailey
    Samuel
    or
    Woodson?
    Revis is a great cornerback. But one of the top 2 in the league he is not. He may get there, but he’s still young and has alot to learn.

  42. Gautam says: Nov 19, 2009 5:15 PM

    not sure why you don’t reveal who exactly your source is … not doubting his credentials but I don’t see any reason in constantly calling him ‘a source’ instead of his name itself

  43. Richm2256 says: Nov 19, 2009 5:53 PM

    “They have been falling each year since the Giants thumped them in the SB and look to be on the wrong side of 40.”
    Did you maybe overlook a somewhat relevant point, my friend? Like, maybe, say ….. TOM BRADY MISSED THE WHOLE 2008 SEASON, IDIOT!!!!!!!!!
    Brady came back this year, had some rust to shake off, just like Peyton did in 2008 (maybe you’ve seen what he’s been up to since week seven or eight of last season, much as Brady is going throu NOW?).
    Like Manning, Brady is starting to work back to his old self, and the Pat’s are starting to light it up again.

  44. Richm2256 says: Nov 19, 2009 6:00 PM

    Regarding the “source” flack Florio’s catching; people, use your heads. Someone in a position to review film intelligently is most likely on someone’s staff. If you were on a coaching staff, would you want your team/head coach/owner to see you publicly post a disection of another team’s performance when you should be, you know, going over film of your next opponent?
    Or better put; if someone asked you to to post your opinion of your wife’s smokin’ hot girlfriend on a public forum she would very likely see, would you want her seeing YOUR name on it?
    NOW you’ve got it!

  45. Crunchy Clam says: Nov 19, 2009 10:15 PM

    Did people here forget that this “controversy” started when Randy Moss made comments to the media disparaging Revis’ performance against him? He couldn’t own up to being outplayed and hid behind the ‘oh they just doubled me all game’ excuse.
    This ‘source’ also has a lot of excuses for the Patriots’ performance. One excuse that he forgot to make was the Pats complete lack of a running game. Jets have a great pass defense (2nd in the league), but have a pretty crummy run D (esp. w/o Jenkins). What’s gonna change this game? Maroney gonna finally stop being a bust? Doubt it. Pats fans need to hope the 0-line keeps brady clean and that welker can have a big game. Moss and the NE rb’s won’t be doing jack, just like last time.

  46. CornFlorio says: Nov 20, 2009 5:25 PM

    davis1281 says:
    November 19, 2009 2:48 PM
    Lets be honest New England is very lucky to be 5-3 at this point. They have been falling each year since the Giants thumped them in the SB and look to be on the wrong side of 40.
    ————————————————-
    let’s be honest, you are a dumbass!!
    Brady has played in 9 games since 07.
    And they are 6-3 at this point.
    _________
    You BRAGGING about 6 and 3? LMFAO!!!
    Just WHO has your team beaten of any consequence this season? Answer: NO ONE
    Some 5-4 teams and the dregs of the NFL. What a joke!

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