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Vikings-Cardinals heads to Sunday night in Week 13

After two weeks of flex scheduling involving no flexing at all, the NFL and NBC have decided to swap out the tentatively-scheduled Sunday night game in Week 13.

And that means the game between the Patriots and Dolphins will move out of the 8:30 p.m. ET slot, giving way to a visit by the Vikings to Arizona.

It’s a rematch of a Week 15 matchup from 2008, during which the Vikings clobbered the Cardinals on their own field, 35-14.  The win was fueled by four touchdown passes from Tarvaris Jackson, who threw only 16 times in the entire game.  Bernard Berrian, who caught a 41-yard touchdown pass, started the scoring with an 82-yard punt return to paydirt.

So even though the Vikings have Brett Favre on the roster this year, it’s hard to expect him to top one of the best performances of Jackson’s career.

A non-NBC source with access to the top-secret list of protected games tells us that, for Week 13, CBS had placed Tennessee at Indianapolis on the off-limits list, and FOX had squatted on Cowboys at Giants. 

All other games were fair game — including Mike Vick’s return to Atlanta.

With the Cardinals at 7-3 and the Vikings at 9-1, the game could decide whether Arizona or Minnesota finagles a first-round bye in the NFC playoffs.  Still, it’s strange that the NFL and NBC would give up a chance to showcase the Patriots in prime time.  And we’ve got a feeling that Bill Belichick will find a way to spin the decision into evidence of disrespect.

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  1. jj jones says: Nov 24, 2009 11:35 AM

    Any truth to the rumor that John Madden is coming out of retirement to call this game?

  2. frox says: Nov 24, 2009 11:36 AM

    I would rather watch the Patriots-Dolphins game and I am a fan of neither team.

  3. Tim says: Nov 24, 2009 11:37 AM

    I am pretty surprised they would change this game. We all know why though, its to put Brett Farve in primetime!!! Guess this means the Vikings @ Carolina game which I have tickets to will stay at Sunday Night…I hope so for my sake.

  4. screaming sheep says: Nov 24, 2009 11:38 AM

    By the sounds of this, I would expect them to flex out of week 15 with the Vikings at the Panthers for a better matchup.

  5. Otis Taylor 89 says: Nov 24, 2009 11:38 AM

    Any way they can “flex” it to Thanksgiving?
    They can play it in Detroit

  6. MNRunLeft says: Nov 24, 2009 11:44 AM

    I think the Ronnie Brown injury probably had something to do with this decision. Lots of household names in this game should draw a pretty solid audience, and I agree that I’d expect the week 15 game to be changed now that the Vikings have been moved to primetime week 13.

  7. Lost says: Nov 24, 2009 11:44 AM

    Vike may go to 10 – 1 when Chicago comes in next week. If they win Sunday they would be within one game of clinching.
    Arizona represented a reasonable opportunity for an ‘off’ game. Now, NBC has bumped Brady to feature a couple of ‘not-ready-for-Primetime’ teams in a nothing game.
    Sub-title this one: The Power of Favre

  8. 8man says: Nov 24, 2009 11:44 AM

    Well this is just a huge shit pile! It probably won’t be much of a game. Pats-Dolphins will likely be for the division, especially if the Pats lose to the Saints.
    Okay. I guess it’s all about Frett Bavre.
    Oh , look for that Cinci-SD game to replace the Vikings-Panthers tilt.

  9. chemicalxv says: Nov 24, 2009 11:46 AM

    Vikings-Cardinals has more playoff implications than Patriots-Dolphins. It’s a good move

  10. charlesu2 says: Nov 24, 2009 11:50 AM

    It seems the better game would be a game between division rivals where first place could possibly be at stake. The NFL probably wants to get Favre on primetime as much as possible before he “retires” again.

  11. LBPACKFAN says: Nov 24, 2009 11:50 AM

    Warner (hopefully) vs Favre…should be a good game. Looking forward to this one!

  12. danlinker says: Nov 24, 2009 11:52 AM

    This is hilarious. Like that game do you PFT? Two teams you love to bash. One has to win. Whatever will you do? A loss by either does not change their commanding division leads, and both will still win their divisions. Just too funny. Perfect justice if you ask me.
    And, it’s about time the pats were passed over in one of these situations. “SHOWCASE”? Showcase what? blind arrogance? Who needs it? Last Sunday was one of the only weeks so far that we weren’t stuck with a pats game as one of the TV games. When the pats are the only game on, I don’t watch.

  13. chris says: Nov 24, 2009 11:57 AM

    Yea this makes alot of sense….Miami and New England two of the highest rating getters on Tv today are being reglated to a 1pm game so we can watch the cardinals and vikings? Two of the smaller market teams out there. Nice move NBC.

  14. Hauschild says: Nov 24, 2009 12:00 PM

    Cool – another backhanded dig on Brett Favre. Is that any way to treat the 2009 NFL MVP???
    Batten down the hatches, haters.

  15. Ambrose says: Nov 24, 2009 12:01 PM

    Finally, a game in which the level of difficulty for the Vikings should be closer to the hype the Viking fans are bestowing on their “walking-on-water” team. And it should be a reasonable test of the Vikings expectations in the playoffs, instead of the “Sisters of the Sorrowful Mother” prep-schools that they have been playing.

  16. J.Cannon says: Nov 24, 2009 12:03 PM

    What a great way to start the day. I woke up cliked on PFT AKA VFT (Vikings football talk) and I was blessed with this glorious news. I cant wait for this game. The star power/ parallels in this game will be fun to watch. These are the key players, with their closest matches on the other team, as I see it.
    Brett Favre vs. Kurt Warner
    Larry Fitzgerald (612, southside, stand up) vs.
    Sidney Rice
    Adrian Peterson vs Beanie Wells
    Anquan Boldin vs. Percy Harvin
    Steve Breston vs. Bernard Berrian
    Kevin Williams vs. Darnell Dockett
    Jarred Allen vs. Carlos Dansby
    Adrian Wilson vs. Antwan Winfield.
    In closing this was a good call by the NFL and is a Minneapolis natives dream. Home town team vs. homegrown superstar. Number 11 isnt the only MPLS native on the Cardinal’s either, my highschool teamate Dominique Byrd is third on the Depth chart at TE!

  17. J.Cannon says: Nov 24, 2009 12:07 PM

    Hey PFT nation dont count on the NFL flexing out of that Carolina vs. Vikings game either, the rest of the country wants to watch the best team in the league play…. Shmohawks.

  18. Bob Nelson says: Nov 24, 2009 12:08 PM

    The Cardinals do deserve a primetime game. They are the defending NFC champion and have their division all but wrapped up except for the weird math.
    The problem with this match up is traditionally low ratings of the vikings, who have not inpired much of a national audience.
    However, enough people still like Brett Favre and tune in for his games that he may offset the otherwise low ratings.
    The Falcons hosting the Eagles is much more likely to affect the playoff picture but nobody wants to hear an evening of Ron Mexico dogcrap during the happy holiday season.
    The big game will be on Monday night that week. Every team in the Playoff hunt will tune in the next night for a great match up at the NFL’s finest stadium.
    Sunday Night is a sideshow.

  19. hayward giablommi says: Nov 24, 2009 12:15 PM

    This is a joke, right? The league has done its best to absolutely bury the Patriots this year, for reasons I can’t figure out. They’ll end up with a total of THREE(3!) prime time appearances all year!?!? Stuck here in Philly, where the Eagles (obviously), Steelers (eh), Jesters (huh?) and Ravens (seriously?) all take precedence over New England, I’ll be forced to make my pissed off trek to the sports bar *yet* again.
    I thought the point of flex scheduling was so that we don’t get stuck with “crap” prime time games on Sunday Night? First place Patriots at dangerous Dolphins team which has won 5 of its last 7 is hardly a “crap” game. Bounced for a game where both teams are leading their respective divisions by 3 games, not to mention that the Cardinals do NOT equal ratings, and their game last year was an absolute snoozefest. Uh, where is the intrigue?
    NFL outthinks itself again. Say what you want about the Patriots, but they garner ratings. Good job, NFL, now the Patriots will be buried throughout December at 1pm with no primetime games and distribution going to less than 25% of the country, all while playing in a three way race for a first round bye. Have I mentioned that this is a moronic move? Dumb dumb dumb.

  20. Fan of Football says: Nov 24, 2009 12:15 PM

    Must suck to be a Favre hater these days

  21. Majik Man says: Nov 24, 2009 12:21 PM

    Ambrose says
    …instead of the “Sisters of the Sorrowful Mother” prep-schools that they have been playing.
    ____________
    It’s not the Vike’s fault that they have to play the Packers twice.
    Lost says
    Now, NBC has bumped Brady to feature a couple of ‘not-ready-for-Primetime’ teams in a nothing game.
    _____________________
    Yeah, not ready for primetime. It’s only the defending NFC Champs, who are leading their division, vs. a 10-1 division leader with a realistic shot at the number one seed in the NFC.
    How dare they bump Brady and the 7-3 Pats vs. the 5-5 Dolphins, who are without their starting QB and RB? With no Ronnie Brown to run the Wildcat, this game should be a Pats blowout, while the Vikes- Cards could be a first team to 40 shootout.
    Sorry bud, but not everyone is as in love with Tom Brady as you are.

  22. Crisper57 says: Nov 24, 2009 12:22 PM

    Boo-hoo. “My team’s on the East Coast! I’m entitled to have my team in primetime every other week…”
    The Cards are the NFC Champions. The Vikings may be the best team in the Division. You have two teams who have pretty much wrapped up their divisions going at it for playoff position. This game will go a long way to showing us who is the true legitimate contender from the NFC.
    OR
    You can have the Patriots kicking the Ronnie Brown-less Fins asses all over the field… Face it guys, this AFC East race is already over.
    Hmmm. Yeah, that is a hard decision.

  23. Ralph says: Nov 24, 2009 12:25 PM

    Isn’t this the meeting of the oldest starting QBs in NFL history? Farte is 40 and Warner is 38.
    It’s the geriatric bowl! The rest of the nation can finally see what a horrible team we have here in Minnesota. It’s all about Butt Farte and nothing else?
    If you haven’t seen the Vikings yet this season, you are in for a surprise.

  24. Gautam says: Nov 24, 2009 12:26 PM

    week15′s got Cincinnati at San Diego … think they will remove the Minnesota at Carolina game from Sunday night

  25. Majik Man says: Nov 24, 2009 12:34 PM

    Bob Nelson
    The Vikings actually have a pretty high television following, despite the slow ticket sales. The dome is just so awful that fans prefer to watch the game at home. Like it or not, people tune in to see Favre, Peterson and Harvin are an added bonus.
    And as far as Lambeau being the “NFL’s finest stadium,” please get off the drugs. It may be historic, but the place is kind of a dump. Nothing like sitting on ice covered metal bleachers, jammed in between the 2 400 pounds whales that you call Mom and sister Roberta, having some drunken, blaze orange clad, cheese wearing hillbilly (this would be you, Bob) spilling his $9 Pabst Blue Ribbon all over you and your friends.

  26. hayward giablommi says: Nov 24, 2009 12:44 PM

    How dare they bump Brady and the 7-3 Pats vs. the 5-5 Dolphins, who are without their starting QB and RB? With no Ronnie Brown to run the Wildcat, this game should be a Pats blowout, while the Vikes- Cards could be a first team to 40 shootout.
    Sorry bud, but not everyone is as in love with Tom Brady as you are.
    ^^^^^
    Other than 2007 when the ‘phins were 1-15, the Pats-Dolphins game in Miami has ALWAYS been competitive. It’s a fierce divisional rivarly with much more history and buzz than Minnesota v Arizona, which has snoozefest written all over it.

  27. GBISFULLOFFATTIES says: Nov 24, 2009 12:56 PM

    Good move for NBC here. Then the Queens / Panthers game will get moved out of primetime…
    I don’t see what anyone could be thinking if they believe differently.
    Which game would you rather watch at 7
    cards vs vikes
    or
    panthers vs vikes
    Easy decision, good call NBC.
    The Pats /fins game should be an easy boring win for NE

  28. epping16 says: Nov 24, 2009 12:59 PM

    Bob Nelson:”The Cardinals do deserve a primetime game. They are the defending NFC champion and have their division all but wrapped up except for the weird math.”
    The weird math like they still have to win a couple games?

  29. jujubee says: Nov 24, 2009 1:04 PM

    How does Minnesota-Arizona have snooze fest written all over it? Two division leading teams, one fighting for the number one overall seed. I’m from Mass, and we see the Pats all the time. I like that they got flexed out so I can see a matchup of excellent teams that I wouldn’t normally get to. Good call NFL.
    And p.s. for whoever said that the Pats had ONLY 3 primetime appearances this year… woe is you. I count 42 primetime games this year, including Thurs and Sat night games. That means the Pats, as 1/32 teams (3%), gets 7% of primetime games. Cry about it.

  30. mnmaverick says: Nov 24, 2009 1:05 PM

    Majik, you pretty much nailed the description of the Packer faithful.
    Hypocrites abound, they expect Favre to retire a Packer so they burn his jersey, hold mock funerals, etc. Real class.

  31. Drat says: Nov 24, 2009 1:07 PM

    What you easterners don’t understand is that the rest of the country is already saturated with Patriots, and we don’t care about the Dolphins. What you guys think about Seahawks, we think about Dolphins. By the late end of the late game in the eastern time zone, all of you will be asleep because the Pats will be blowing out the Dolphins. For other time zones, a Viking-Cardinals game is much more interesting.

  32. The Hormel Row of Fame says: Nov 24, 2009 1:10 PM

    Thank God recess is over & Ralph had to go back to making construction-paper turkeys. I don’t think I could handle the 3rd-grade mentality of his last post any longer.

  33. Majik Man says: Nov 24, 2009 1:15 PM

    hayward
    That’s great that you think the games have always been competitive, but here’s the facts.
    Pats-Fins
    2008 48-28
    2007 49-28
    2006 0-21
    Not one game closer than 20 points the last 3 years in Miami. That would appear to be the opposite of competitive to me.
    But what do I know, I’m the guy that thinks a game between the 7-3, defending NFC champs, and the 10-1 Vikes, both fighting for playoff positioning, would be more exciting than the Pats vs. the beat up 5-5 Fins, who are missing their best player.
    And by the way, THREE(3!) primetime appearances is quite a lot for a team that failed to make the playoffs last year, so quit complaining.

  34. oak3y says: Nov 24, 2009 1:18 PM

    Awww poor Patriots fans always getting the short end of the stick. Poooooooor NE dominating every team they play. Who wouldnt want to see these two teams play? Warner, Beanie, LArry, Boldin, Wilson, DRC, Docket, Dansby! AP, Favre, Winfield, Allen, Williams x2, PErcy, Rice!
    This will be a fun fun game to watch. Way better than Randy Moss just playing catch with Tom Brady for 3 hours

  35. tufar says: Nov 24, 2009 1:20 PM

    Hey Ambrose, I’m assuming that you are a Packer fan, otherwise why would you feel you have to dream up Viking insults? do you realize that to begin the year the Packers actually had a better “strength of opposition” schedule than did the Vikings? So taking that into consideration how did that work out for the Packers? If the Vikings are a “walking on water” team what would that make the Packers? Possibly sinking in s–t?

  36. Bob Loblaw says: Nov 24, 2009 1:22 PM

    Bob Nelson says: “The problem with this match up is traditionally low ratings of the vikings, who have not inpired much of a national audience.”
    Yeah, the two Viking-Packer games set TV ratings records because everyone wanted to watch Aaron Rogers and Ryan Grant — hands down the most marketable and recognizable QB-RB combo in the NFL.
    Too bad all the Vikings have to settle for Brett Favre and Adrian Peterson as the faces of the franchise. If only the rest of the nation could become aware of who these two people are then maybe people would tune in to watch the Vikings.
    Come on NFL. Promote theses guys. I hate to see them wallow away in obscurity.

  37. JimmySmith says: Nov 24, 2009 1:26 PM

    The Vikings have discovered another benefit of signing the Packer’s castoffs, they tend to get on Primetime more often. Prior to Favre, they drew as much interest nationally as their ticket sales do locally, which is to say, not in such great demand.

  38. packers4life says: Nov 24, 2009 1:30 PM

    “Isn’t this the meeting of the oldest starting QBs in NFL history? Farte is 40 and Warner is 38.”
    Nope. That happened back in 2007 when Favre was with the Packers and they played Vinny Testaverde and the Panthers.
    “Hypocrites abound, they expect Favre to retire a Packer so they burn his jersey, hold mock funerals, etc. Real class. ”
    And what are Viking fans then? After all, they are the same idiots that hated Favre and called for his retirement and now they are in absolute love with him. What do you call that?
    and Majik Man, you insult the Packers but yet you still call yourself a fan of them. Hah. Packer fan my a$$.

  39. Occam says: Nov 24, 2009 1:41 PM

    Ralph says:
    “The rest of the nation can finally see what a horrible team we have here in Minnesota. It’s all about Butt Farte and nothing else?”
    Florio, can’t you put some sort of “18 years and over” filter on this site? Or maybe “10 and over???”
    Sheeesh.

  40. PerryMason says: Nov 24, 2009 1:41 PM

    “So even though the Vikings have Brett Favre on the roster this year, it’s hard to expect him to top one of the best performances of Jackson’s career.”
    He already did. Jackson had 4 TD’s, Favre had 6 against the Cardinals last year.

  41. Patsfansince73 says: Nov 24, 2009 1:44 PM

    People:
    IT IS A “FLORIO RUMOR”.
    How many of you want to bet that this is not going to happen?
    If you go to the NFL site, it is not listed this way. It still has the Patriots/Dolphins game (1:40 EST on 11-24-9).
    Doesn’t make sense to change this game. Just Florio trying to stir up the hornets nest. Did a decent job by the looks of it….

  42. InBBWeTrust says: Nov 24, 2009 1:51 PM

    Awww poor Patriots fans always getting the short end of the stick. Poooooooor NE dominating every team they play. Who wouldnt want to see these two teams play? Warner, Beanie, LArry, Boldin, Wilson, DRC, Docket, Dansby! AP, Favre, Winfield, Allen, Williams x2, PErcy, Rice!
    This will be a fun fun game to watch. Way better than Randy Moss just playing catch with Tom Brady for 3 hours
    ————————————————
    As a “pooooooor” Pats fan I’d like to say I would much rather have the game @ 1pm.

  43. whatabunchofcrap says: Nov 24, 2009 1:52 PM

    Fine by me.
    Nobody wants to watch the Pats disrespect another team anyways.

  44. andrew says: Nov 24, 2009 1:53 PM

    bob nelson” ur rite the cards do deserve a primetime game and they got it. they got it week 3 at home vs the colts and they got destroyed in there own place. on the other hand the dolphins have been in 3 games so far on primetime, 2 of which were arguably 2 of the top 5 best games of the season. cards r a team that is alrite, but benefit from a weak division, and will have that thing locked up this week. as for the vikes, they will also have there division locked up by that game. dolphins pats r 2 big division rivalries, and there games never dissappoint besides for 2007. and dont tell me they lost by 20 in 2008 at home bc that game was a lot closer and entertaining then the score resembles.

  45. footballrulz says: Nov 24, 2009 1:59 PM

    MajikMan is no Packers fan, packer4life. He’s a Favre fan. We mutually detest TT but respectfully disagree on paths taken because of TT.
    @ Bob Loblaw
    That was funny! Nice post.

  46. Majik Man says: Nov 24, 2009 2:09 PM

    packers4life says:
    and Majik Man, you insult the Packers but yet you still call yourself a fan of them. Hah. Packer fan my a$$.
    ____________________
    Umm, when did I call myself a Packer fan? And if Packer fans aren’t allowed to insult the Packers, then I think that you and Supersuckers might be the only 2 Packer fans left in the world, because most “Pack” fans on here bash McCarthy and Thompson, and that band of misfits you call an offensive line, on a daily basis.

  47. hayward giablommi says: Nov 24, 2009 2:10 PM

    “How does Minnesota-Arizona have snooze fest written all over it?”
    ^^^^^
    Did you see the game last year? The *Tarvaris Jackson- led* Vikings killed Arizona on the Cards home field.
    “Two division leading teams, one fighting for the number one overall seed. I’m from Mass, and we see the Pats all the time.”
    ^^^^^
    I’m guessing your not a Pats fan. Regardless, if you live in Mass, then obviously you should expect to see the Pats 16x a year. Just as I, living (regrettably) in Philly, must watch the Eagles 16x a year.
    I can’t complain about that part…but I can complain that the Pats (one of the top 5 teams in the NFL) will be shown a total of 6 times out of 16 (when all is said and done) in a market with many transplanted New Englanders. That is simply inexcusable. None of the remaining NE games on the schedule have a stones throw in hell of being ‘flexed’ to Sunday Night.
    “I like that they got flexed out so I can see a matchup of excellent teams that I wouldn’t normally get to. Good call NFL.”
    ^^^^^
    FYI, the Vikings are scheduled for prime time 3 of the next 6 weeks. My educated guess is that Favre-fest will be airing in Boston 5 of the 6 remaining weeks, considering they play they national 4:15 game this week and Boston shows the NYG (wk 17 @ Min) at every opportunity. Careful what you wish for.
    “And p.s. for whoever said that the Pats had ONLY 3 primetime appearances this year… woe is you. I count 42 primetime games this year, including Thurs and Sat night games. That means the Pats, as 1/32 teams (3%), gets 7% of primetime games. Cry about it.”
    ^^^^^
    Prime time is supposed to showcase the best teams. How can you argue that it’s not a major oversight that the Pats will be shown a total of 3 times out of a maximum potential of 6?
    I think it’s a valid concern when 2 of the worst teams in the league, Buffalo and Cleveland, have 2 prime time appearanceseach , the unwatchable Washington Redskins have an equal amount of appearances as NE (3), the Eagles/Cowboys/Giants are on prime time 4/5/5x and mediocre Bears have 5 appearances.

  48. Pablo0620 says: Nov 24, 2009 2:11 PM

    Primetime games means camera trolleys on the sidelines which Belichick might have bought off to spy on the Dolphins. Pats going down.

  49. purpleguy says: Nov 24, 2009 2:14 PM

    It will be interesting to see how many supposed fair weather purple jersey wearing Vike fans fill the stands in AZ that evening. Most of the geriatric Cardinals fans will be in bed by game time after gorging themselves on the early bird special at the Sizzler.

  50. DocBG says: Nov 24, 2009 2:18 PM

    @ packers4life vikings fans may have hated playing against favre the time he was a packer, but i don’t think it was ever disrespect, or an irritability that he dared to play the game like it is with packer fans. I hated seeing the guy come in because he was always extremely good, and had a good record against the vikes. Never once did i forget what he accomplished in the sport itself. Packer fans act like a middle schooler going through a break-up even now, more than 2 years after its over. If you’re so happy with rodgers, why the mock funerals and renaming the streets?
    secondly, packer fans have got to be some of the more obese, disgusting, imbred, obnoxious and just down right rude people that ride their rascals around this country. Every bad stereotype that one could have about the customers of walmart is immediately realized the moment you set foot in wisconsin, it is a terrible, terrible place. there are going to be exceptions, but they are not the norm, just get a good look at the herds at lambeau.
    @ the east coast pricks whinning, don’t worry, every major media outlet will continue to provide you with the slightest minutia available on every player on any team, in any sport, regardless of what else is happening in the rest of the country. I’m sure there will be a nice crappy, non-competitive game featuring a team from the east on next week that you can all fill your gym socks with happiness over. in the meantime, why not watch a decent game from one (or hopefully both) of the teams that will be knocking some of your over-rated asses out of the playoffs.

  51. mooremi9 says: Nov 24, 2009 2:22 PM

    hayward giablommi says:
    November 24, 2009 12:15 PM
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    If you were not such a cheap ass you could purchase the football package and actually watch the games you wanted.
    You should change your screen name to Alligator arms.
    Come off a buck tightwad!

  52. sand0 says: Nov 24, 2009 2:36 PM

    How could this possibly be surprising? The Vikings were involved with a monday night football game that drew record ratings nationally. They were involved in a preseason game that drew near record ratings nationally. They have been the most nationally shown, most talked about team. They have the top QB rating QB and best WR and RB in the NFC by total yards. All Day and BF are easily two of the most popular players in the NFL nationally and probably the most fun to watch play at their positions are dang close to it (no offense to CJ, Brees, Manning, Brady, etc.)
    The Vikings, love em, hate em, or indifferent to them are the hottest team in the NFL. Plus they are one of the best teams. On top of that Arizona has a pretty exciting offense, solid overall squad, and were in the super bowl last year.
    Patriots are popular and all, but this should not be surprising to anyone with a brain that the Vikes are bumping their likes out of prime time. And I don’t know if I only speak for myself but the Dolphins are much less interesting to me now that Brown is out and they don’t do all that cute wildcat stuff. I actually loved to watch the Dolphins before that because many of their plays were ones we ran in high school and I found that pretty cool for some reason.

  53. Majik Man says: Nov 24, 2009 2:36 PM

    hayward giablommi
    I was trying to be nice before, but I see through your incessant whining that you just can’t grasp this. 3 primetime appearances is a lot, especially for a team that missed the playoffs last season. The Pats are a very hated team, a hate similar to that of the Steelers. But the Steelers have a strong nationwide fan base, the Pats don’t.
    Despite what you may think, nobody outside of the New England area likes the Pats. The coach is an arrogant prick, up until this year they had two of the dirtiest players in the league (Harrison and Wilfork), their best WR used to run over meter maids with his Hummer, and they have been caught, red handed, cheating, which was punished by a relatively slap on the wrist of a punishment (considering the Bud Adams fine for the double dirty bird.) Not to mention that the Pats are responsible for Mangini, Weis, and Crennel being released into the head coaching ring.
    So just stop whining and go away. If you are really this upset about not seeing your team, get DirecTV, and pay for Sunday Ticket.

  54. MNWriter says: Nov 24, 2009 2:43 PM

    Hayward,
    If the NFL and the networks have some obligation to move big-market games national to satisfy “transplanted” fans, that would suggest they would do the same for other big markets. Let’s see, who did you name? Washington, Philly, Dallas, Chicago, NY (two different teams) and Cleveland. Sound like pretty big markets to me. As for the Pats “deserving” more prime time – they missed the playoffs last year, and check their prime-time exposure earlier in this decade. Ridiculous. I was half worried that my local games were going to start getting overridden by Pats-someone terrible so that we could all continue to be commanded to worship Tom Brady.
    As for whether or not it’s going to be a better game, why shouldn’t a defending Conference champion playing a possible Conference champion be a prime-time game? I’d be more than happy to root for a Dolphins upset in prime-time, but given that teams from markets like Minnesota and Arizona are forbidden to be spoken of on national sports shows most years, I think you can survive.

  55. The Hormel Row of Fame says: Nov 24, 2009 2:44 PM

    JimmySmith says:
    November 24, 2009 1:26 PM
    The Vikings have discovered another benefit of signing the Packer’s castoffs, they tend to get on Primetime more often. Prior to Favre, they drew as much interest nationally as their ticket sales do locally, which is to say, not in such great demand.
    _______________________________
    Please let the grown-ups talk, Jimmy. You sit in the corner & try not to eat all your Play-Doh this time. Maybe some originality in your posts would give you a speck of credibility outside of your halfway house, but giving you any sound advice lends itself to the old saying “you can’t polish a turd”. I’m done with you, idiot.

  56. spyboots says: Nov 24, 2009 2:51 PM

    @Majik Man: 5 rating
    @ purpleguy: 99% of the “geriatrics” in Arizona are snowbirds from other states with loyalities to the team in their home town. Most of the Cardinals fans in Arizona were either born there or came from a city that had no NFL team.

  57. Notoroius B.U.G. says: Nov 24, 2009 2:52 PM

    Bob Nelson is not right in the head. Just ignore him.
    @LOST: two ‘not-ready-for-Primetime’ teams.
    Whatever…couldn’t be further from the truth.
    Skol Vikings.

  58. purple hay-seuss says: Nov 24, 2009 2:53 PM

    Andrew: Don’t ever, ever tell Bobby Nelson that he’s right about anything. It’s more dangerous to the collective peace and quiet around here than hinting to a Packers fan that their girlfriend is pretty or Bowling Alleys are the ultimate Meat Markets.
    Love the East Coasters bleating about how unfair (i.e. ‘stupid’) the NFL is by taking the hallowed Pats away from the majestic status of ultra-prime time each week. The NFL is about making money, dweebs. Minny means money today. Duh.
    Jimmy even farts in today. Same lame stains on the tighty whities there, Jimmy.

  59. The Hormel Row of Fame says: Nov 24, 2009 2:54 PM

    @ Majik Man- I think it was an Escalade. More eco-friendly than the gas-guzzling Hummer.

  60. MNWriter says: Nov 24, 2009 2:57 PM

    For Patriots whiners, how about an even simpler check? Let’s compare the relative records.
    Vikings 9-1 (good possibility of 10-1 by then).
    Cardinals 7-3
    Patriots 7-3
    (Hmm…interesting. Same record. And since the Cardinals play the Titans while the Patriots go to New Orleans…the Cardinals might have the better record by Week 12.)
    Dolphins…well, sorry Florida.
    Why shouldn’t the teams with better records play in prime-time? By a lot of the Patriot-logic I’m seeing on here, teams from the Coasts shouldn’t even be opposed – the small-market teams should have to just allow the big-market teams to play the playoffs while they all go fishing because they just don’t make the NFL as much money.
    People like those whiners are the reason college football is a corrupt pile of junk. Hey, small market? No Bowl games for you. Undefeated, you say? But that 3-loss school gives its recruiters millions to bribe players with, so….sorry. Bleech.

  61. MNWriter says: Nov 24, 2009 3:01 PM

    purpleguy,
    I’m not sure calling both fans’ teams insults is really accomplishing anything, but…shall we talk about Patriots fans? Nah, not worth it.
    Look, folks. Some of us are enjoying having our teams actually mentioned on ESPN, SI, and PFT. It’s fun – now we see why some of you bigger media markets like to hog all the attention. Don’t worry, overrated Coast teams will still get 90% of the attention 90% of years, so you can live through a few weeks of smaller markets actually being mentioned in a context other than “hey, look, the Patriots played …well some guys from some little town you don’t care about, but hey they won! Now let’s stare at Tom Brady for twenty minutes!”

  62. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 24, 2009 3:07 PM

    -Majik Man says:
    If Packer fans aren’t allowed to insult the Packers, then I think that you and Supersuckers might be the only 2 Packer fans left in the world.
    ____________________________________
    Supersuck isn’t a Packers fan. He’s a Thompson fan.
    Even the most insulting Packers fans just want their team to win. Suck doesn’t care if they win or not, he just wants Thompson to stay there for the next ten years so he can get off on watching his press conferences.
    Also, loved your Patriots assessment. Sadly, most Patriot fans are also Red Sox fans, and the same level of deluded arrogance seems to pervade the entire region. “WHAT? what do you mean you mean there’s more than four teams in the league?! Oh well, nobody cares about those small backwoods towns like California anyway..”

  63. patsSB44champs says: Nov 24, 2009 3:24 PM

    No matter, we’ll just beat Portapotty and Miami during the day. No big deal.

  64. cusoman says: Nov 24, 2009 3:26 PM

    Bob Nelson, you’re a complete moron:
    “The problem with this match up is traditionally low ratings of the vikings, who have not inpired much of a national audience. ”
    The Vikings @ GB game BROKE CABLE RATINGS RECORDS. Face it bud, the Vikings are gaining interest, and lowbrow, no-life complainers such as yourself need to wake up and accept the truth. Yes, a lot of it is fueled by Favre, but that’s the point, the guy is staying put on the Vikes until he officially retires (again), and that draws ratings. How is that any different if say, Drew Brees were picked up by the Vikings and he developed into a great QB there?
    Can’t wait to see how you spin things if the Vikes make it to the big game, can’t wait.

  65. hayward giablommi says: Nov 24, 2009 3:37 PM

    “And by the way, THREE(3!) primetime appearances is quite a lot for a team that failed to make the playoffs last year, so quit complaining.”
    ^^^^^
    11-5 sans # 12, first 11 win team team to not make the wildcard under playoff format. Bad argument
    “If you were not such a cheap ass you could purchase the football package and actually watch the games you wanted.
    Come off a buck tightwad!”
    ^^^^^
    Nice argument. Might apply if I could actually get Directv in my luxury apartment building.
    “If the NFL and the networks have some obligation to move big-market games national to satisfy “transplanted” fans, that would suggest they would do the same for other big markets. ”
    ^^^^^
    This was clearly not my original point. The point of flex scheduling is to ensure that garbage games are not shown on Sunday night. If you’re not going to move Philly-Chicago out of prime time, then there’s no reason to move NE-Miami out of prime time, either.

  66. packers4life says: Nov 24, 2009 3:40 PM

    “Umm, when did I call myself a Packer fan? And if Packer fans aren’t allowed to insult the Packers, then I think that you and Supersuckers might be the only 2 Packer fans left in the world, because most “Pack” fans on here bash McCarthy and Thompson, and that band of misfits you call an offensive line, on a daily basis.”
    It isn’t that hard to see that you are or were a Packer fan. Your name clearly depicts it.
    and yes Packer fans are bashing Thompson and McCarthy but there is a big difference between them bashing the front office to you calling Packer fans hillbillies and saying Lambeau is a dump.
    and DocBG, what you said clearly shows the lack of class the Viking ‘fanbase’ has.

  67. Ambrose says: Nov 24, 2009 3:48 PM

    Hey…I’m just trying to understand the logic. All I read from Vikings fans is how god-awful the Packers are…so the Vikings get no credit for beating them, because they suck, right? So that’s two no-credit wins, combined with Detroit (2), Cleveland, St. Louis, Seattle, two lucky escapes from Baltimore and SF, and a loss to Pittsburgh. What am I missing here? Are they or are they not the best of the worst? The Packers (on the other hand) have two losses to the best team that ever walked the earth, the Vikings. So….until and unless I hear one of the “regulars” on this site admit that either the Vikings aren’t as good as everyone thinks, or the Packers aren’t as bad as everyone thinks, I will continue to set the record straight. Two of the Packers’ losses are to the best team that ever played the game! Give them some credit or STFU.

  68. TK44Man says: Nov 24, 2009 3:50 PM

    You guys get really worked up about this stuff don’t you?
    As a former network sports employee, let me tell you that it really has nothing to do with anything other than ratings. The NFL is entertainment and as entertainment, there is no better story line than two aging quarterbacks playing against each other in a game that matters to both teams. It’s drama. Lots of people tuning in. Big ratings = ad dollars.

  69. cusoman says: Nov 24, 2009 3:50 PM

    Yes, packers4life, because the Vikes fans here represent the entire fanbase. Get a life.

  70. 1mge says: Nov 24, 2009 4:14 PM

    Hey docb, stay on your side of the river in the peoples rupublic of MN. I’ll take a trip to Walmart over blow your favorite waiter night in Minnneapolis any day!

  71. MNWriter says: Nov 24, 2009 4:15 PM

    Hayward wrote:
    “If the NFL and the networks have some obligation to move big-market games national to satisfy “transplanted” fans, that would suggest they would do the same for other big markets. ”
    ^^^^^
    This was clearly not my original point. The point of flex scheduling is to ensure that garbage games are not shown on Sunday night. If you’re not going to move Philly-Chicago out of prime time, then there’s no reason to move NE-Miami out of prime time, either.
    ——————————–
    It actually was your original point. You wrote that you could complain that games weren’t being shown in markets with lots of transplanted fans, which would include bad teams, since ratings are more important than records to the networks (and should, they have to make money, and ratings mean people watching a game they want to watch, which is only fair. The networks have every right to show the games the most viewers will choose to watch). If that is true – and it is – then it is true for markets in which you yourself don’t live but in which many other people do – like Chicago.
    As for flex scheduling, it is designed to move “garbage games” out of prime-time, true enough. But a “garbage game” isn’t any game that doesn’t involve the Patriots, and, whether you like it or not, many people would consider some Patriots games “garbage games” too. Either way, though, if the ratings for Vikings-Cardinals has been figured to end up higher than Patriots-Dolphins, then they’ll move the game. As the story explained, the networks get to “protect” some games from being “flexed”, and outside of the protected games, NBC will pick what they feel will be the highest-rated game for their prime-time slot. They’ve flexed plenty of big-market games to that slot in the past – and they will in the future. There may not have been a higher-rated game available for flexing over Philly-Chicago. In this case, there is one. It happens to involve your team. Sorry, I guess. (Seriously though, quit whining, the Patriots will always get more attention than they deserve, so I don’t know why you’re worried.)
    Addressing your other arguments for a moment, yes the Patriots missed the playoffs. By how much isn’t the issue. If you can’t get DirecTV, cable companies have sports packages too. If you’re actually going to argue that your “luxury apartments” (and seriously, why even say that other than ego?) don’t give you access to ANYONE with a out-of-market sports package, we’ll all know you’re lying.
    I love all the posts people are leaving bashing Vikings fans – especially coming from Packer fans. You asked a guy to leave your town, and then booed him for playing after you kicked him out. You booed him at your own stadium, even though he gave you 16 years (in return for which you gave him a lot of crappy teams). You burned him in effigy, mocked him, and threatened him. Classy.
    As for everyone else, sorry if we in Minnesota don’t have the “forgive horrible human beings as long as they win” attitude the Coasts do. If Tom Brady strangled a puppy on the 50-yard line at halftime and then won the game, Patriots fans would say “oh well, that seemed to inspire him to further greatness, so it was clearly the right thing to do.”

  72. Majik Man says: Nov 24, 2009 4:18 PM

    hayward giablommi says:
    11-5 sans # 12, first 11 win team team to not make the wildcard under playoff format. Bad argument
    _____________________
    No, it’s a perfectly legit argument. They may have won 11 games, but they weren’t in the playoffs. It’s completely factual, so it can’t be a bad argument. And sitting at 7-3, 11-5 seems like a pretty realistic finish this year, with Brady…
    packers4life
    I wasn’t saying that all Packer fans are hillbillies, just the ones related to Bob Nelson. I know that not all Pack fans are like that, footballrulz and BeerCheeseSoup are examples of excellent football fans, but there are quite a few more that are borderline retarded hillbilly.
    But I do stand by my assessment of Lambeau. The place can’t be matched as far as historical significance goes, but the physical attributes of the stadium are terrible. Those awful bleachers that they cram you into, coupled with the overwhelming amount of obese individuals seemingly always seated in my row, doesn’t leave much room to sit. And there are many other outdated areas of the stadium. It just isn’t the great stadium that Bob makes it out to be.
    And as far as my name depicting a Pack fan, well, you know what happens when you assume…

  73. TK44Man says: Nov 24, 2009 4:25 PM

    And….as someone who had reeled out camera cables from the remote trucks to the cameras in the stadium during a 12 degree below zero wind chill factor at Green Bay, Buffalo or New England—it’s so much nicer to do it in a t-shirt and shorts under the Arizona desert sun. :-)

  74. Dilagable says: Nov 24, 2009 4:32 PM

    This sucks! Thanks a lot. Now instead of having a leisurely drive to Miami Sunday I will have to drive late night Saturday. I was really looking forward to watching a night game again this year as well. Lets Go Fins!

  75. hayward giablommi says: Nov 24, 2009 4:42 PM

    “No, it’s a perfectly legit argument. They may have won 11 games, but they weren’t in the playoffs. It’s completely factual, so it can’t be a bad argument. ”
    ^^^^^
    The league doesn’t schedule prime time games before a year solely based on the prior years results. It’s based on expectations for the upcoming season, marketablility, ratings, star power and how the team did the prior year.
    See: Cleveland being on in prime time 5x in 2008 and Dallas being on 5x this year/every year as examples of non playoffs teams getting maximum exposure.
    So, no, it’s not a valid argument.
    “And sitting at 7-3, 11-5 seems like a pretty realistic finish this year, with Brady…”
    ^^^^^
    New England finishes no worse than 12-4. Upcoming game against N.O. is difficult, the rest- (@ Miami, v Carolina, @ Buffalo, v Jax, @ Houston) do not concern me at all.
    Even if they did finish 11-5, fine by me- that was their record in 2001 as well.

  76. duffsbeer says: Nov 24, 2009 4:44 PM

    Hey now, as a vikings fan, who is shelling out a shitload for two tickets to the arizona game, I will actually level with you packer fans. Your team is good. Not great, but good. You had a couple of holes which the loss of Harris doesn’t help. The offensive line is the weak link, Rodgers is a great developing QB, Ryan Grant is a good running back, I would prefer to have him on my team then Pierre Thomas, Julius Jones, Slaton, Forte, Maroney, etc. Jennings, Driver, Jones are a great tandem for WRs and Crosby is pretty solid. Just the o-line and the linebackers groups needs some depth.
    Having said all that, I really do enjoy when the vikings beat a good packer team. Makes the win seem much more enjoyable than a win over the lions or the browns.
    The great news is I get to watch the early games at a sports bar then head down to catch the vikes put the boots to the cards.

  77. hayward giablommi says: Nov 24, 2009 5:01 PM

    @ MN Writer:
    “If you can’t get DirecTV, cable companies have sports packages too. If you’re actually going to argue that your “luxury apartments” (and seriously, why even say that other than ego?) don’t give you access to ANYONE with a out-of-market sports package, we’ll all know you’re lying.”
    ^^^^^
    See prior quote from mooremi9. Quid pro quo. While that is true, I barely have a pot to piss in otherwise.
    Anyway, I think it’s fairly well documented that DirecTV is the ONLY way to get out of market NFL games. I have Comcast, and believe me, there is no sports package that will allow you to get out of market NFL games…Which is why Comcast nearly dropped the NFL Network in May, because the NFL would not allow them to have the Sunday Ticket, and compromised on the RedZone channel instead.
    If you know otherwise, please help a fellow human out and point me in the right direction.
    “It actually was your original point. ”
    ^^^^^
    My original point was posted at 12:15 PM. Nowhere in that post was market size mentioned. Everything subsequent was ancillary.
    “a “garbage game” isn’t any game that doesn’t involve the Patriots, and, whether you like it or not, many people would consider some Patriots games “garbage games” too.”
    ^^^^^
    As far as “garbage games” go, I am not saying that Patriots games cannot be considered such…quite the contrary, no games after the Miami game can be considered remotely appealling to a national audience.

  78. Christopher says: Nov 24, 2009 5:15 PM

    I can’t understand why so many people are arguing over this. The only people against this seem to be Patriot’s fans. And I’m going to assume that you’ll still be able to see your team play at noon. Why does it matter if the Patriots are in primetime a fourth time this year or not? Considering, you represent 1/32 of the fanbase of the NFL, take in the fact that its possible the other 31/32 of the NFL fanbase just doesn’t give a damn if the Patriots can beat up the Dolphins or not. Its as if you all want to force the Patriots upon us.
    Consider this. Maybe… just maybe, Brett Favre is more popular than Tom Brady ;)

  79. Ambrose says: Nov 24, 2009 5:23 PM

    duffsbeer…
    Now this is a Vikings fan I can understand and appreciate! I too can appreciate a solid traditional win (ie; pre-Favre) over the Vikings and I fully understand the reverse scenario.
    The only reason this season in particular gets in my craw is not due to the fact that Favre is playing elsewhere, it’s because of the manner in which he created the conditions that disabled the Packers from retaining him. Each season for four straight years he would verbalize his preferences to the Packers and then sit back and wait to see what actions they would take, based on his recommendations (demands.) This is the diva crap that Elway and Eli both played, and I do not have any respect for it. Favre is not bigger than the team. If he wanted to be a Packer, he would be. He is responsible. The Packers did not chase him out. He gave them no choice.
    It is a shame that Favre is playing for the Vikings because I usually root for a “Central” Division team when the Packers are mathematically eliminated.
    When he (finally) retires, things can go back to normal. Until then, the success of the Packers depends on the other division rivals falling short, and I hate the thought of Favre contributing to the Vikings success. He does not deserve it. He doesn’t even deserve the Vikings. He is a self-centered egomaniac and I hope he fails.
    And Rodgers is top-drawer in my book, talentwise and for his professional demeanor through it all. I will cheer for him harder than I ever did for Favre, and deservedly so.

  80. Fan of Football says: Nov 24, 2009 5:27 PM

    Ambrose says:
    November 24, 2009 3:48 PM
    Hey…I’m just trying to understand the logic. All I read from Vikings fans is how god-awful the Packers are…so the Vikings get no credit for beating them, because they suck, right?
    And then you have Ted Thompson fans saying the Vikes beat nobody good. Doesn’t that include the Ted Thompson Packers?
    Mindbending

  81. hayward giablommi says: Nov 24, 2009 5:30 PM

    “I can’t understand why so many people are arguing over this. The only people against this seem to be Patriot’s fans. And I’m going to assume that you’ll still be able to see your team play at noon. ”
    ^^^^^
    Well that’s why I’m pissed. I won’t be able to see the game. Not from the comfort of my couch, at least.
    “Its as if you all want to force the Patriots upon us.”
    ^^^^^
    Nah…the point is there was a good game on NBC’s schedule.
    Thus, the reverse is true. It’s Favre being shoved down our collective throats (some more).
    “Consider this. Maybe… just maybe, Brett Favre is more popular than Tom Brady ;)”
    ^^^^^
    Probably…there are some very confused people out there. Right back at ya…

  82. footballrulz says: Nov 24, 2009 5:32 PM

    @MajikMan
    Being from the South I amde to trips to Lambeau, Thanksgiving Weekend, ’96 & ’97. To me, it was almost like being on hallowed ground.
    I gotta give it to ya on those bleachers though. Good thing they rented those heated cushions.
    @packers4life
    Hey, we got our Bob Nelsons & JimmySmiths. They got their DocBG’s & Fan_of_Four’s.
    Took me a while but I learend how to just scroll right by their posts. Meaningless drivle.

  83. Christopher says: Nov 24, 2009 5:39 PM

    Hayward- Good arguments. I guess I didn’t take into consideration that unless you live out east, you won’t be able to see the game. But at least you’ll be able to see them play in the play-offs :) I’m not a Patriot hater in anyway, but there is an argument to be made that the Cards-Vikes game will be more competetive than the Phins-Pats. I’m willing to bet that the reason this move was made was in order the the Vikes-Panthers game off SNF a couple weeks later. Who knows, maybe the Patriots will get a SNF spot returned to them.
    And I won’t get into a Tom Brady vs. Brett Favre argument because it could go on for pages, ha.

  84. Christopher says: Nov 24, 2009 5:44 PM

    Also take into consideration that the Patriots have been primetime favorites for awhile. This is the first time in a long time the Vikings can be considered true contenders and they deserve to have their national fan base rewarded. By my counts, this will be the third time they have been in primetime, and if the Panthers game gets moved, their fourth will be the season finale in Chicago on Monday Night.

  85. footballrulz says: Nov 24, 2009 5:55 PM

    @ Ambrose
    I had an epiphany while driving recently (glad I didn’t wreck). You are correct, I think, in that Favre did not want to play in GB, which really sucks. I do think TT had a hand in pushing him out the door but as a Pack fan I have “moved on” to quote the newly appointed MN saviour (hey maybe he can be the next governor).
    Alright, calm down Vike fans. I think Favre was right! TT didn’t/wouldn’t do what he thought would give him his best chance at a SB in the short career he has remaining. It no longer bothers me to see Favre in purple. It bothers me when he’s beating GB but other than that, for all he did for GB, I think he deserves this year (or two) with the Vikes. They are loaded & needed a QB. It may very well be his last chance to get to the big dance.
    I’m not putting him there yet, there’s a lot of football to be played and the playoffs are tough but they are stacked. He will have to do less with this team than any other team he could have played on. Yes, there have been two bitter pills to swallow this year (and possibly may be a 3rd–not planning any parties however) but look at it like this. Rodgers is getting his reps, maybe TJac’s paying attention and this could be a very good rivalry for years to come now. I think Favre really deserves this. I’m damn sure he’s earned it. This just ain’t the Pack’s year. Hopefully something gets done in the offseason.
    Damn, & I was gonna get all over MN Writer & gioblami for posting books

  86. footballrulz says: Nov 24, 2009 5:57 PM

    BTW–Happy Thanksgiving everybody.
    There is more to life than football.
    C U folks on Friday.

  87. purplepuzzyetrz says: Nov 24, 2009 6:20 PM

    Haters PLease,
    Only the most explosive team in the league right now…I try to watch every televised game every week as a football fan…..Arent you sick of the Pats yet…..ZZZZZZ like Brangolina of the NFL……Real football are the Vikes….and Favre haters…please………..can you say MVP ….Miami, here we come
    SKOL

  88. Fan of Football says: Nov 24, 2009 6:26 PM

    “The only reason this season in particular gets in my craw is not due to the fact that Favre is playing elsewhere, it’s because of the manner in which he created the conditions that disabled the Packers from retaining him.”
    You mean the manner in which Ted Thompson created the conditions that disabled the Packers from retaining him.

  89. marinofreakout says: Nov 24, 2009 6:57 PM

    what a bad decision. im FREAKING out man! whoever said the dolphins pats games arent compettive and tried to prove it by picking one game from each of the last three years is an IDIOT! Hmm i wonder if he had listed the other three games? what would that have done to his stupid arguement and his blatantly unrepresentative sample? ohh i dk maybe 2 or 3 dolphin victories, also dont forget the 3 that were in fact listed as dolphins losses in 2006 2007 2008, 2 of those games were knotted up going into the 4th. garbage time points dont alter the competitveness of a football game.
    the bottom line is that it isnt a divisonal game and both the vikings and cards have monstrous leads in their division. the NFL just wanted to dispel the rumors that they have a man crush on the patsies

  90. vikestwinswild1 says: Nov 24, 2009 6:58 PM

    Not a surprise this game was flexed in. This is a win-win-win for all 3 OTA networks. The purpose of flex scheduling is to make sure the best games are in all timeslots (except possibly the 4:05 Eastern slot on the singleheader network). NBC had their eyes on this game & the NFL granted their wish & saw that the Vikings-Cardinals game was one that needed more distribution. CBS is very happy to get Patriots-Dolphins and put that game as their headliner @ 1:00, Fox isn’t complaining about losing Vikings-Cardinals when they already have Cowboys-Giants @ 4:15 plus Eagles-Falcons @ 1:00. The CBS schedule was a little weak with Titans-Colts looking like the #1 game but their schedule got stronger with this change. I also think the Vikings Week 15 game @ Carolina will stay on NBC because the rest of the schedule looks weak. Cincinnati @ San Diego was protected by CBS & Green Bay @ Pittsburgh was protected by Fox so those game can not be considered. Chicago @ Baltimore & Atlanta @ NY Jets have bost lost a lot of luster in recent weeks & I don’t expect Arizona @ Detroit or San Francisco @ Philadelphia to be considered. No way does Tampa Bay @ Seattle get flexed-in. For CBS games, New England @ Buffalo & Miami @ Tennessee are their best games but not good enough to get flexed-in. Houston @ St. Louis & Oakland @ Denver won’t either. And a major NO to Cleveland @ Kansas City.

  91. Majik Man says: Nov 24, 2009 7:00 PM

    Ok, hayward, you win. Apparently nobody thought that the Pats would be any good this year. That’s why they only (ONLY) got 3 primetime games this year. Nobody respects the Pats. Tom Brady is the best player ever. Belichick could kick Chuck Norris’ ass. And an angel gets its wings every time Wes Welker gets a first down.
    Just shut up already. This ridiculous, nonstop whining is why no one likes the Pats, or their fans. I’ve never seen fans of a consistently competitve, winning team complain so much about a lack of respect. Get over yourselves, and realize that Earth revolves around the sun, not Boston.

  92. Majik Man says: Nov 24, 2009 7:02 PM

    footballrulz
    You are correct sir, there is no comparison to Lambeau in a historic sense. It is hallowed ground, no question. But the stadium itself is pretty below average when speaking in terms of physical attributes and amenities.

  93. me so horny says: Nov 24, 2009 7:18 PM

    Well for starters Florio the Dolphins and their ultra lame wildcat offense combined with Chad Henne at quarterback and no name receivers, they aren’t exactly easy on the eyes. Bland and boring team to watch. It may be a rivalry game but do you really think it will be as exciting as Cardinals and Vikes. 2 teams with stars all over the place and high flying offenses. Not to mention Favre playing out his mind. Get real, the Pats/Dolphins game sucks compared to that game. It was a good move. Hell, it was a GREAT move. Fuking genius move if you ask me. Dolphins and Pats fans? Bite me

  94. Majik Man says: Nov 24, 2009 8:01 PM

    marinofreakout says:
    whoever said the dolphins pats games arent compettive and tried to prove it by picking one game from each of the last three years is an IDIOT! Hmm i wonder if he had listed the other three games? what would that have done to his stupid arguement and his blatantly unrepresentative sample?
    ____________________
    That idiot would be me, and if you had the ability to pay attention to detail, you hasty, ignorant fool, you would realize that the 3 scores I posted were the Miami home games of the last 3 years. These 3 scores are relevant because a Pats fan previously claimed that the Pats- Fins games was always a close, hard fought game when played in Miami. And, seeing as how you seem to be incredibly slow, I will further explain that the games played in NE had no bearing to the argument, which is why I felt it acceptable to leave these scores out of my post.
    Also, if you were paying any attention whatsoever, toolbox, you would have noticed that in 2006, the score was 21-0, in favor of the Fins, which I had stated as clearly as I possibly could have.
    I know that you’re upset because your Wildcat-less, 5-5 Dolphins are not only all but out of the playoffs, but now are also knocked out of primetime. But you should do a little research before blasting someone else, especially when the only problem is your inability to comprehend above a 4th grade level. Now go put your bib back on and return to the kiddie table, this post is for the grown-ups.

  95. Christopher says: Nov 24, 2009 8:08 PM

    The Pats-Phins game could be cometetive and fairly exciting. Their game earlier this year was. But, the Cards-Vikes game could go a long way to determine who has a first round bye this post-season.

  96. packers4life says: Nov 24, 2009 9:37 PM

    “You are correct sir, there is no comparison to Lambeau in a historic sense. It is hallowed ground, no question. But the stadium itself is pretty below average when speaking in terms of physical attributes and amenities.”
    I do admit that those bleachers are uncomfortable but I don’t think many Packer fans care since they still sell out games regardless.
    “and the linebackers groups needs some depth.”
    Actually, I think the Packers’ linebacker core has alot of depth. Aaron Kampman & Clay Matthews are the starting outside linebackers (well, not Kampman anymore). Nick Barnett & A.J. Hawk are the starting middle linebackers. And the backups are Brady Poppinga, Brandon Chilliar and Brad Jones. Overall, that is very solid depth at the linebacker spot.

  97. hayward giablommi says: Nov 24, 2009 9:53 PM

    @ Majik Man
    You, sir, are what is referred to as an “assclown”.
    It’s pretty much established and not debatable that good or glamour teams are on prime time 4, 5 or 6 times a year. Sort of a waste of time to debate that point with someone so self righteous as to disagree with that.
    Then again, I see how you could be confused, seeing as how you call yourself “Majik Man” yet verbally fellate Brett Favre and Minnesota and bash Green Bay at every turn.
    How about some integrity? Or backbone? Loyalty?

  98. bustabloodvessel says: Nov 24, 2009 10:08 PM

    Ambrose,
    two of the Packers’ losses were to the Vikes, but one of them came at the hands of the lowly Bucs. That trumps any and all points you are trying to make.
    and for the record, I as a Vikings fan, don’t think they are all that bad. Just need to invest in an o-line to protect Rodgers.
    hayward giablommi,
    New England finishes no worse than 12-4. Upcoming game against N.O. is difficult, the rest- (@ Miami, v Carolina, @ Buffalo, v Jax, @ Houston) do not concern me at all.
    If these games don’t concern you, why do you care that the miami game got flexed.

  99. hayward giablommi says: Nov 24, 2009 10:11 PM

    That idiot would be me, and if you had the ability to pay attention to detail, you hasty, ignorant fool, you would realize that the 3 scores I posted were the Miami home games of the last 3 years. These 3 scores are relevant because a Pats fan previously claimed that the Pats- Fins games was always a close, hard fought game when played in Miami.
    ^^^^^
    You are an idiot. Completely and utterly. I told you to discard the 2007 game when the Dolphins were 1-15…you conveniently use that to make your point. So here goes…you FOOL:
    2008 was much closer than the 48-28 score suggested. Cassel throws for 415yds, Pats leading 31-28 in 4th, score last 17 points and win. You’d probably consider his “running up the score, but I digress…
    2006: forgot about that, with good reason, 21-0 Dolphins blowout
    2005, Pats won on the final play 23-16 batting down Dolphins pass.
    2004 on MNF was the Pats biggest meltdown pre-’06, Brady’s infamous INT and Pats give up last 12 points to lose 29-28
    2003: overtime thriller Tom Brady bomb to Troy Brown to win 19-13
    Keep going or have I proven 1.) my point 2.) that you’re wrong?

  100. Mr High and Mighty says: Nov 24, 2009 10:33 PM

    You geniuses are unbelievable. The “historically low-rated Vikings”? Really? Didn’t they just participate in the most-watched cable broadcast in the history of mankind? Not the most-watched football game or sporting event on cable but the highest rated cable television broadcast ever. Why in the hell would NBC want to get in on that action?! It’s true when they say “stupidity knows no bounds”, but it sure as hell knows the morons who frequent pro football talk pretty damn well.
    I can’t wait to hear all of you screaming about how “they won’t win the Super Bowl again next year”.

  101. hayward giablommi says: Nov 24, 2009 10:39 PM

    “I know that you’re upset because your Wildcat-less, 5-5 Dolphins are not only all but out of the playoffs, but now are also knocked out of primetime. ”
    ^^^^^
    Funny, seems to me that a Dolphins team that started 0-3 and has now won 5 of its last 7 with their starting QB of the future Chad Henne completely turning things around.
    Guess that Tennessee team that started 0-6, getting lambasted by NE 59-0, then winning their last 4 with VY also sucks and is no threat to anybody either, eh?
    Do you actually WATCH the games?
    “But you should do a little research before blasting someone else, especially when the only problem is your inability to comprehend above a 4th grade level.”
    ^^^^^
    Well, looks like we’ve poked holes in any football knowledge and reading comprehension skills that you purport to have.
    Some advice: take your own advice (“do a little research before blasting someone else”)
    “Now go put your bib back on and return to the kiddie table, this post is for the grown-ups.”
    ^^^^^
    Then go away and ride your high horse off into the sunset. You can agree with my point of view, or disagree, but you’ve really added nothing of substance or value to the discussion.

  102. CanadianVikingFan says: Nov 24, 2009 10:50 PM

    Cardinals are an up and down team. One game they can play really bad against a bad team, another really well against a good team, and vice versa. But the Vikes will win.
    Florio, you should be proud of me, my last post I said something pretty clever and pulled a George Costanza and left on a high note.

  103. Majik Man says: Nov 24, 2009 11:48 PM

    hayward
    I seem to have struck a nerve. You said that the games in Miami were “always competitive”, yet in the last 3 years, not one closer than 20 points. But they don’t count, according to you, because if they counted, it would totally discredit your argument. Seems logical. Why don’t we just not count the Pats Super Bowl loss to the Giants, and just label them the best team ever.
    It’s great that you can go back to 2003 and 2004 to find close games, but with the coaching and personnel changes for both teams in the last 5 years, those games would appear to be as irrelevant as, well, you.
    I will give you that the Fins hit a hot streak, but without Ronnie Brown, they are not even close to the same team. And like bustabloodvessel pointed out, you’re on here complaining that the Pats- Fins game got flexed out. And in your next breath, you claim that 5 games, Fins game included, don’t cause you concern. If you’re so confident in an easy win, why would this game deserve to be in primetime? Does it make you feel less creepy to have impure thoughts about Tom Brady if it’s dark outside?
    The so called glamour teams are supposed to draw the most primetime games. But like I’ve already told you, no one outside of the New England area likes the Pats for many reasons that I previously pointed out, and they don’t draw near the ratings you think they do. Meanwhile, the Vikings managed to set a primetime cable viewing record earlier this year. And it has a lot to do with Favre, who I choose to cheer for, even if he isn’t a Packer. I do have loyalty, it’s the Packers organization that doesn’t, but that debate if for another thread.
    As far as me having no backbone, this holds absolutely no merit coming from a keyboard tough guy such as yourself. You sit at your desk, hurling insults at people from the safety of your mother’s basement because you don’t have the mental capacity to back up your asinine arguments. It’s one thing to heatedly debate, but the name calling and insults you spew out are the sign of a truly weak individual. Time to grow up.

  104. Majik Man says: Nov 24, 2009 11:56 PM

    And FYI, hayward, of the “streaking” Dolphins 5 wins, not one came against a team with a winning record. The Bills, Jets twice, the Panthers, and the mighty Bucs, who they beat by 2, at home. And 4 of their 5 losses were by 10 or more points. Not what I would call playoff calibur, especially with their best player on IR.

  105. Mr High and Mighty says: Nov 25, 2009 12:18 AM

    Depending on the next couple weeks the Bengals and Vikings game could be moved to primetime. That would mean moving the Eagles and Giants out so that would probably cause even more bitching than these pissy Patriot fans and dumbass Vikings and Favre haters. Maybe almost as much. Well it would be bad but not as bad as this

  106. Tompadre says: Nov 25, 2009 3:27 AM

    Hayward -
    You may be ticked about your team being bumped from prime time, but stating the NE-Mia game is more appealling nationally than an Ari-Min game is probably off the mark (tons of valid points already posted as examples why).
    You have a point about some of the weaker teams getting prime time games (Cle &Wash) but the Buffalo game was against your Pats so that really wasn’t a good example for your cause. Chicago got a lot of games because people thought they were going to be a SB contender. Although I questioned how Cutler was going to solve their issues at WR, OL and an aging defense.
    Go to the bar, enjoy a Pats win & have a beer for me!
    JimmySmith -
    The Vikings were scheduled for three prime time games before Favre joined them. They have added just one and may, as many here have pointed out, take one away (vs. Carolina) so I’m not sure adding a former Packer has given them that much more prime time exposure. Now had he joined the team before the schedules were decided…

  107. Tompadre says: Nov 25, 2009 4:32 AM

    Ambrose -
    I am a Viking fan who has given props to GB when they’ve earned it, and pointed out their deficiencies as I see them. I too root for the remaining NFC North teams once the Vikings have been eliminated, because if my team is going to lose out, I want it to be to the eventual champs, not some weak team that gets knocked out in the first round. It’s more acceptable to me that way.
    Having said that, I find it humorous when Packer fans try to disparage the Vikings by bringing up their weak schedule, when their team was on that schedule twice and lost both! As a side note – after this weekend the Pack & the Vikes will have played the same schedule except for three games. GB played Cincy, Dallas & TB (accumulative record of 15-15) while the Vikings played Pitt, Balt & Sea (record of 14-16). Almost the same record, yet the Vikes went 2-1 in their games while GB went 1-2.
    As far as Favre goes, I think what he does off the field gets blown way out of proportion. Did he vacillate about his return during the off season – sure! If the media stopped asking him every off season then no one would have known about it. Besides, after playing as long and often as he has, is it any wonder (despite loving to play on Sundays) he doesn’t know if he wants to commit to all of the off season training as well as being hit by 300 lb men? Top QBs have made suggestions/demands for team improvements long before Favre. Tom Brady made the same sugestion/demand for Moss that Favre did, but while Brady is praised for the bold move Favre is practically vilified. He most certainly could have handled his exit better, but the Packers could have handled it much better as well.

  108. hayward giablommi says: Nov 25, 2009 9:21 AM

    @ Majik Man
    You seem to have more difficulty comprehending than anyone I’ve ever conversated with on PFT. Either that, or you have a talent for twisting words and arguments to suit your agenda…I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and try this one last time.
    —————-
    Majik Man said: “You said that the games in Miami were “always competitive”, yet in the last 3 years, not one closer than 20 points. ”
    November 24, 2009 12:44 PM, I said:
    “Other than 2007 when the ‘phins were 1-15, the Pats-Dolphins game in Miami has ALWAYS been competitive. ”
    I also pointed out that, despite the 48-28 score last year, it was a THREE POINT GAME with LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES TO GO. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
    Majik Man said: “you claim that 5 games, Fins game included, don’t cause you concern.”
    Truthfully, I was ready to rip you for this, but in re-reading my post, I did mistype. What I meant to write was that no games after New Orleans and Miami really concern me (but really, think about it, why would I state that the Dolphins always give the Pats a tough game in Miami and say in the next breath that I’m not concerned).

  109. hayward giablommi says: Nov 25, 2009 9:30 AM

    “no one outside of the New England area likes the Pats for many reasons that I previously pointed out, and they don’t draw near the ratings you think they do.”
    ^^^^^
    I would tend to agree with you that noone west of the Connecticut River likes the Patriots.
    However, you seem to equate that with people turning off their TV’s when they are on, which I highly doubt. I don’t have the ratings in front of me, but I don’t think I’d be going out on a limb to say that the Pats-Colts will end up one of the top 5 rated games of the year. Whether you like them, or hate them, people still watch. Much like I always watch when the Steelers, Colts, Chargers, Jesters- teams I absolutely despise- are on.
    Further, I think we can agree that Dallas, a team that has not won a playoff game going on 15 years, is one of the top 5 most hated teams in the NFL. Doesn’t stop them from getting the maximum allotment of prime time games, though.
    To your other argument, teams like the Cardinals, Chargers, Titans, don’t have much, if any national following or buzz, but they still manage to eek out 4 or 5 prime time appearances…I’d be curious to see what their ratings are this season…guessing they are lower than the Patriots prime time games…just sayin’.

  110. Ambrose says: Nov 25, 2009 9:37 AM

    Tompadre…I acknowledge the fact that the Packers have virtually the same weak schedule as the Vikings. That wasn’t the point. The Vikings are getting all this “SB is their destiny” hype when they really haven’t played anybody yet. I cannot (yet) endorse them beyond winning the division. Their current record is a lead bar painted gold, unless and until they show me more in the next few weeks. I am not expecting the Chicago game to be a cakewalk for them either. Intra-division is hard, no matter what, including the Packers beating the Lions on Thursday. If the Vikings beat Chicago handily and without a great deal of effort, then I may (gulp) start to believe.

  111. hayward giablommi says: Nov 25, 2009 9:52 AM

    “And FYI, hayward, of the “streaking” Dolphins 5 wins, not one came against a team with a winning record. The Bills, Jets twice, the Panthers, and the mighty Bucs, who they beat by 2, at home. And 4 of their 5 losses were by 10 or more points. Not what I would call playoff calibur, especially with their best player on IR. ”
    ^^^^^
    A win is a win is a win…Considering Favre and Co. have beaten up on Cleveland, Detroit twice, St. Louis, Baltimore, SF, Seattle and Green Bay twice, it is very ironic that you should coose to go with that argument.
    Truth be told, unless Green Bay steps it up, not one of the Vikings 9 wins will have come against a team that ultimately makes the playoffs. And Pittsburgh, your only loss, is teetering on the brink if they lose again this weekend.
    Now, wins vs. bad opponenets was YOUR argument, not mine. Just thought you should be aware of the fallacy in your anti-Dolphins argument. Care to refute that?
    p.s. in case you haven’t been watching Ricky Williams can more than carry the load for Miami, so your Ronnie Brown injury dooms the Dolphins season scenario is just not true.

  112. bustabloodvessel says: Nov 25, 2009 10:35 AM

    hayward,
    I must admit you have made some valid points, but, the bad team argument is kinda apples to oranges. St. Louis, Seattle, and Detroit were the only teams that had losing records when we played them. You can’t really count Cleveland, because everyone was 0-0 at that point. The whole point is ratings, and at the moment, the Vikings bring ratings. Two different networks got a piece of them, and now a third wants a piece. Sure they play a Sunday night game next month, but they aren’t Green Bay matchups, so they feel they need two. There is a good chance the Carolina game gets moved (I hope not, I have tix, and may not be able to go if they are moved), but that remains to be seen. To your point about the Pats bringing in ratings, it’s really all about who you like. I would only watch the game because I am a huge Randy Moss fan. If he wasn’t on the team, I would care if they were playing at all. Some people may not like them, and if you don’t care about the game, you will not watch it. Sure you may check the score now and again, but you are probably watching Family Guy at that point.

  113. Majik Man says: Nov 25, 2009 10:36 AM

    hayward
    “(but really, think about it, why would I state that the Dolphins always give the Pats a tough game in Miami and say in the next breath that I’m not concerned).”
    I have no idea, but I also have no clue why you say any of the other senseless things you say. It just kind of seemed to fit right in with the rest of your BS. Like saying that the 2007 game can’t be counted, because the Fins were struggling. This is completely ridiculous. You can’t discredit recent games just to support your argument, then go back 6 years to pull out an example of a close game. Pulling games from the Jay Fiedler era is pretty lame. The fact is, 3 years in a row of 20+ point wins.
    “I also pointed out that, despite the 48-28 score last year, it was a THREE POINT GAME with LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES TO GO. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?”
    Actually, the Pats were up 10 after 3 quarters. The Pats regained a 10 point lead with over 9 minutes left, and went up 13 less than 2 minutes later. Do YOU actually watch the games, or are you just making things up again to better suit your arguments?
    And yes, people really do turn off the game if the Pats are playing. I do, almost all of my friends do. The whole cheating thing really turned a lot of fans off. Most non-Pats fans would rather suffer through a Gilmore Girls marathon than have to watch that smug prick Belichick for 3 1/2 hours.
    Dallas is one of the most hated teams, along with the Steelers and Pats. The difference is that the Cowboys and Steelers also have a strong national fanbase, probably the 2 most popular teams nationally. The Pats don’t have that, they are just hated. And that’s why no one watches them.

  114. Chickenfoot says: Nov 25, 2009 10:50 AM

    Ambrose:
    I’m sick of you Packer fans with this one more game or they haven’t played anyone shit.
    They are beating teams like the browns and lions by 2 touchdowns, hell the beat Seattle by 26!
    Now if they beat a 4-6 bear team, that means they are for real?
    They are beating teams they are supposed to…handily in most cases.
    The 49er game had some freak plays and wen to the wire, but they still won.
    Regardless of the Ravens record, they still have a tough d. The Vikes hung a lot of points on them.
    IF, big if, the Vikes win the Bowl, will it then be said, let em win 2 or 3 in a row, then I’ll believe they are good?
    I’m sure it will, that is how tools like you operate.
    Well you know what slapnuts? No one cares if you Pack fans think the Vikes are any good or not!!
    They play the games for a reason. Just look to your Tampa game for why.
    Only Packer fans, with their 2 of their best defensive players on IR, think they will not miss a beat. I find it utterly humorous that you think the “train will keep rolling”.
    Shoddy special teams, aa very weak o-line, injuries on defense…yeah, that adds up to a force in the NFL.
    Super is all about how none of us know anything.
    Jim Mora said that the Vikes were the most complete team they have played…..does he know nothing?
    Or does that only work for TT and MM?
    Other former coaches are singing the Vikes praise also.
    I guess I’ll take their word over you assmunches that post on here.

  115. Majik Man says: Nov 25, 2009 10:53 AM

    hayward,
    If you want to talk quality wins, let’s look at the “Primetime Pats”. Not one win against a team above .500. Couple that with a loss to the mighty 4-6 Jets, and a loss to Denver (who followed that win by losing 4 of their next 5.) Very impressive.
    I never said Ricky wasn’t capable, just that Ronnie Brown adds an entire different aspect to the playbook. The Fins are a lot less versatile without Brown.

  116. PervyHarvin says: Nov 25, 2009 10:57 AM

    Ambrose says:
    November 25, 2009 9:37 AM
    The Vikings are getting all this “SB is their destiny” hype when they really haven’t played anybody yet.
    ————————————————–
    Oh really? We outplayed the world champions in their house alll day and blew it in the last minute with a fluke tipped pass off Taylors hands. Shut down Ward. Last time I checked the world champions are somebody. You will see,the Steelers will kill the Pack.

  117. hayward giablommi says: Nov 25, 2009 12:27 PM

    “And yes, people really do turn off the game if the Pats are playing. I do, almost all of my friends do. The whole cheating thing really turned a lot of fans off. Most non-Pats fans would rather suffer through a Gilmore Girls marathon than have to watch that smug prick Belichick for 3 1/2 hours.”
    ^^^^^
    Well you must have a lame group of friends. Since the “whole cheating thing” turned a lot of fans off, let’s just throw some cold, hard numbers around and take any subjecticity out of it. Since the got caught “cheating”, and nobody allegedly wanted to watch them, how were their ratings in 2007?
    That week 17 Pats/Giants game was, at the time, the most watched regular season game in 12 years with 34.5 millions viewers (of which I was not, BTW, since I was at the game). Public outcry for this game was so great that the NFL broadcast the game on 3 networks. Yeah, nobody wanted to see a team of “cheaters”.
    The Patriots-Ravens MNF game in 2007 was, at the time, the most watched broadcast in cable history. The Pats-Eagles game a week earlier gave NBC its highest SNF rating up to that point as well. 5 of the top 10 games on broadcast TV in 2007 involved the Pats. Probably rooting against the Pats, granted, but you have been proven wrong…again.
    Don’t take my word for it though. Go to sportsmediawatch.com and peruse for yourself.

  118. hayward giablommi says: Nov 25, 2009 12:33 PM

    “Dallas is one of the most hated teams, along with the Steelers and Pats. The difference is that the Cowboys and Steelers also have a strong national fanbase, probably the 2 most popular teams nationally. The Pats don’t have that, they are just hated. And that’s why no one watches them. ”
    ^^^^^
    Funny, this poll I have here from October 2008 (post “cheating”, Tom Brady out for season) indicates that the Patriots are the nation’s second most popular team.
    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2485_HarrisInteractive:_Cowboys,_Patriots_nation's_most_popular_teams.html
    Now, this doesn’t mean a damn to me, as far as I’m concerned, the less fans on the bandwagon, the better. But there it is, in black and white, you’ve been proven wrong…AGAIN. Try and spin this, like you do everything else.

  119. Supersuckers says: Nov 25, 2009 12:38 PM

    Beer Cheese,
    You really think I am a fan of a man I have never met and not the fan of the Packers? that comment reeks of desperation and embarrasment from me playing with your weak little mind to the point that it got too. I am ashamed for you.
    Ambrose,
    Perfect assesment on the Favre/Packer divorce. I think you nailed it and it will ALL come out someday.
    Pervy,
    I hope you aren’t getting your crystal balls at the same place that Chickenfoot does. He needs to return his and ask for a refund to help pay for his lost wagers that he is making using his crystal ball.
    Chicken my friend I would definitely class someone as Jim Mora in the know and his opinion matters since he is paid by the Seattle Seahawks. If mora says they are the most complete team TO DATE that they have played them I am going to believe him too. Guys like Beer Cheese and the rest of the football idiots on here? i will never believe.

  120. hayward giablommi says: Nov 25, 2009 12:40 PM

    @ bustabloodvessel
    Fair enough. FYI, I wasn’t knocking Minnesota’s quality wins…as I said before, a win is a win is a win in my book.
    But I was forced to “go there” to point out to this assclown MajikMan, who was popping off about how Miami (and now New England) has no quality wins, sucks, etc.

  121. Ambrose says: Nov 25, 2009 12:46 PM

    Pervy and Chickenhead….glad I could get under your skin(s) one last time before the holiday weekend! I’ll be in the Twin Cities wearing my Green & Gold and taking on all “wits.” I have plenty of people just waiting to rub Favre in my face, so don’t think I’m getting off easy. Have a great Thanksgiving.

  122. Chickenfoot says: Nov 25, 2009 12:58 PM

    Funny how all the people that agree with your assesments are “right”..when none of us know anything……..
    Which is it?
    Wow Super.. I’ve lost 2 bets to your one..or your 2 when you were betting as ” the hydra” saying the rams would beat the Vikes.
    Losing 2 good defensive players..your teams road just got a lot tougher.
    If the depth along th o line is any indicator…this could get ugly.
    I stand by my pick that the Pack doesn’t make the playoffs.

  123. Majik Man says: Nov 25, 2009 12:59 PM

    That’s great hayward, you pull games out of the 16-0 season for your high ratings, of course everyone watched those, people wanted to either witness history, or see them lose. Now that the Pats are undefeated, only New Englanders are watching. Check the ratings for the past 2 years statmaster.
    And your precious Harris poll, is conveniently based and taken in the Northeast. So it’s no shock that the Pats are popular in their own home area. That would be like asking people in Wisconsin who their favorite team is.
    Try this link
    http://sportsblog.projo.com/2009/07/espn-patriots-a.html
    Like I said, people hate the Pats.
    I do think it’s funny, though, how you try to discredit the Vikes, yet you have no comeback for the Pats and their inability to beat anybody yet still should be on primetime instead of Minny. Maybe you can pull some more numbers from that 2007 season to support your idiocy.

  124. Majik Man says: Nov 25, 2009 1:04 PM

    And by the way, the word you want is subjectivity, not “subjecticity.” I see that you’re making up words now to go along with your made up recollections of past games. No rebuttal to the Pats- Fins game last year, after I disproved you with “cold, hard numbers.” Funny you left that out.

  125. Supersuckers says: Nov 25, 2009 1:14 PM

    Anyone interested in signing up for this?
    Speaking of turds and shits we have a annual turd contest up here in the state of Minnesota. next year it will be called Big Turd2010. How it works is after you take a dump and turn around to admire its size and width (you know you do it) you snap a photo on your cell phone of the shit, single or double tapered it doesn’t matter, and send it via email with your name to a email address i will provide you if you are interested. There is a nominal $5 entry fee which goes to the prize pool and maintenance costs of the website. At the end of the year our panel of judges will selects ten turds to be sent back out to all the people that entered a turd that year for a mass vote. Winner takes all as far as the cash and possesses the traveling trophy for the next years contest. Would you be interested? If so send me your email as we like to send out a mailer and a welcome packet

  126. PervyHarvin says: Nov 25, 2009 1:19 PM

    @ Supersuckers – You are wrong! You will see! I am all knowing. All seeing. I belong to the Psychic Hotline. I know a girl,who knows a painter who used to date the cousin’s brother of John Edwards. He tells me things! LOL

  127. Supersuckers says: Nov 25, 2009 1:25 PM

    Chicken,
    niners wining in green bay that was number 4. Are you still standing by no more then 7 wins for green Bay this year? Also, regarding the injuries. They hurt. but if the people in the know running the show are not too concerned then I will not be either. Expectations haven’t changed in Green Bay.

  128. Supersuckers says: Nov 25, 2009 1:28 PM

    Chicken,
    I preface my point always with “I think” and “in my opinion” Thats the differance. Because in reality I don’t know anything.

  129. hayward giablommi says: Nov 25, 2009 1:32 PM

    “And your precious Harris poll, is conveniently based and taken in the Northeast. So it’s no shock that the Pats are popular in their own home area. That would be like asking people in Wisconsin who their favorite team is.
    Try this link
    http://sportsblog.projo.com/2009/07/espn-patriots-a.html
    Like I said, people hate the Pats.”
    ^^^^^
    Man oh man. Did you even read this article? Did you read the “Fans_were_only_allowed_five_ choices” part? Are you actually stupid enough to believe that an ESPN Sportsnation survey is a foolproof, accurate survey?
    Harris Polls, on the other hand, are scientific, based on a nationwide demographic, with a ‘+’ or ‘-’ margin of error. Do even even believe this fecal matter that you throw against a wall?
    Oh, and by the way, ESPN is based in the northeast as is “projo”, from my native homeland of Providence, RI. Another straw man argument. Why am I not surprised?

  130. hayward giablommi says: Nov 25, 2009 1:37 PM

    at 10:36 AM Majik Man said:
    “And yes, people really do turn off the game if the Pats are playing. I do, almost all of my friends do.”
    at 12:59 PM Majik Man said:
    “you pull games out of the 16-0 season for your high ratings, of course everyone watched those, people wanted to either witness history, or see them lose.”
    ^^^^^
    You can double-speak with the best of them. May I suggest a job in government?

  131. hayward giablommi says: Nov 25, 2009 1:50 PM

    “Now that the Pats are undefeated, only New Englanders are watching. Check the ratings for the past 2 years statmaster.”
    ^^^^^
    Since you get so hung up on grammar…the Pats are undefeated now? Who knew?
    Anyway, a quick check of NBC’s ratings show that the Pats-Colts game was the second highest rated game of the year, watched by 22.4 million people (fyi, that’s well more than the enitre population of New England, so somebody west of the Hudson River must have been watching).
    “No”, you say, “that was the Colts that drew in all those viewers”. Well, considering the Colts-Titans broadcast earlier this year was the_lowest_rated_game_on_NBC_this_year, watched by only 16 million people…it’s not likely. The Colts vs. your precious-nationwide-appeal-Cardinals was the 3rd_lowest_rated_NBC_game_this_year, barely eeking out the unwatchable Bears-Eagles game last week.
    http://sportsmediawatch.blogspot.com/2009/11/bearseagles-third-lowest-rated-sunday.html
    Keep in mind that the Chargers-Giants was a 4:15 CBS game, so throw that one out.
    What else ya got?

  132. Chickenfoot says: Nov 25, 2009 1:51 PM

    So Super, how is BeerCheese wrong if he is just thinking or it’s his opinion on subjects?
    How is he any more right or wrong than you?
    4?! I gotta quit making bets while on good old JD.
    Your mind is like a steel trap for remembering every word I utter whilst imbibing.
    As for the guys in charge in GB.
    I don’t think McCarthy would show emotion if he just dropped a hot, wet, sticky shit in his pants.
    He talks like he has Bell’s palsy.
    ” You people killed Jesus, and you voted for Humphrey!!”

  133. Majik Man says: Nov 25, 2009 2:17 PM

    Didn’t say it was foolproof, just throwing out a link like you did. Pretty meaningless really.
    “(fyi, that’s well more than the enitre population of New England, so somebody west of the Hudson River must have been watching).”
    Yeah, the people west of the river were probably Colts fans. You do realize that there are 2 teams involved in a game, don’t you?
    “You can double-speak with the best of them. May I suggest a job in government? ”
    How am I “double-speaking”? Nice word by the way. I was clearly expressing 2 different thoughts, even if you have trouble distinguishing the 2. Not surprising.
    Nice pull on the Pats Colts though, but I wonder what team has the number 1 rated game this year…
    But really, I’ve had enough of this. You must be right, seeing as how the NFL has flexed the Vikes game out and replaced it with a Pats game, they must be the best, most beloved, highest rated team ever…. Oh wait. What’s that you say, it was the Pats that got flexed in favor of the Vikes?
    Is it possible that Boston isn’t the center of the universe after all? Tom Brady can’t really cure cancer with his rocket arm? Belichick can’t really beat up Chuck Norris? I will leave you alone now, you must be having a horrible day after realizing all of this. I don’t want to further add to it by telling you that Obama doesn’t reside at Gillette Stadium, he really lives at the White House. And Foxboro is not the capitol of the world.

  134. Supersuckers says: Nov 25, 2009 2:28 PM

    Because Beer Cheese comes across as if he thinks he knows. How can one not employed in NFL circles logically argue that their opinion of Ted Thompson is one that has merits? Us fans have no real knowledge of what goes on. but we type like we do. That’s why Beer Cheese is wrong. He also wants the Packers to lose so management would get fired. I cannot stand that attitude. Lose on purpose for a better draft pick. I just cant stand that when I hear it. Its a mentality that boggles my mind. I mean Gb is 6-4. At the time I really started to get into it with him they had just lost to tampa and were 4-4. He was steamed I am sure. But the season had just reached its halfway point. To want to lose and seeing games as win wins because if they lose they get new management is a losing mentality. The exact type of mentality that prevents success. Professional athletes and coaches will never utter those words (aka Herm Edwards) because it boggles their minds as well. “You play to win the game” was his response to a reporter asking him if the Jets would be better off losing out toward the end of a bad year. He was baffled by the question. He didn’t know what to say and I truly believe that is why people that get far in life like the NFL get there. That thought never has entered their mind. (along with talent) they don’t think like a loser. Beer Cheese does. we all do sometimes. Matt Ryan had a interview prior to him being selected in teh draft and I dont remember what team it may have been Atlanta. one of the questions asked of him was “If you do not succeed in the NFL what would be the main reason?” He said he didn’t have a answer. the thought of not succeeding never even entered his mind. These guys have a different makeup then the rest of us. Personally I do not want the packers to have to start from scratch with a new regime when they have invested several years into this infrastructure. Change is always steps backwards and although necessary at times to take a step back to take two forward, I don’t think 6-4 is a reason for any change. Now lets see how the last third of the season plays out. December football is different then the rest of the year. Bottom line Beer Cheese is wrong because if he was right he would be a GM or scout somewhere.

  135. Supersuckers says: Nov 25, 2009 2:30 PM

    Hayward,
    your posts are very difficult to read. they are all dishevled and stuff. Please explain.

  136. hayward giablommi says: Nov 25, 2009 3:31 PM

    @ Majik Man
    This is my last post on this topic as well.
    At the end of the day, really, none of this means anything. We’ve killed two days at work discussing something that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, the day is just about over, and all is good with the world. Well maybe not, but who cares.
    Cheers and Happy Thanksgiving.

  137. Chickenfoot says: Nov 25, 2009 3:43 PM

    Super thanks for the Novel.
    How is someone like Ambrose or 2tapered shitterson right then?
    I have watched you tpe that they are right.
    If none of us know anything, than how can you or any of your minions/aliases be right?
    If you are going to call everyone on here football idiots, including yourself, that would preclude that we are all wrong and no one is right.
    I don’t know how you got to think you are the judge, jury and executioner of this website.
    Buying into a regime, while admirable, can also prove futile.
    only 12 teams make the “tournament”.
    That means the other teams are pretty much failures, because their plan did not work.
    These coaches and GM’s are not Gods. Yeah, they got where they are on merit. But there are several other guys out there with just as much knowledge who are waiting and may never get a shot.
    I see your point, to a point. But to just blindly follow the plan because they are in a seat in power of your team is asinine.
    They are human, they make mistakes.
    I don’t get the all or nothing road you take with Thompson. You’ve seen the mistakes made, but you kowtow to his philosophy just because he’s a GM?
    You’ve obviously given into the fact that these 2 can do know wrong and that what they say is gold.
    Expectations were for this team to be a powerhouse, many experts said so. I don’t blame packer fans for being upset, and for you to not even question the regime one iota is dumbfounding.
    You are my freind and i respect you, but this blind trust is frightening.
    Look up the phrase lemmings off a cliff.

  138. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 25, 2009 3:46 PM

    Fan of Football says:
    And then you have Ted Thompson fans saying the Vikes beat nobody good. Doesn’t that include the Ted Thompson Packers?
    ____________________________________
    Apparently so, or at least that’s what most Pack fans are implying.
    The Packers may be firmly in the wildcard hunt at the moment, but I don’t think anyone has them making a Super Bowl run. Anything can happen of course, but it’s not likely. I’m not saying the Vikings are a bad team.. You are what your record says you are, but even you should admit that they haven’t exactly faced the league’s elite yet.
    Also, (hopefully) for the last time, still being loyal Packers fans and not turning our backs on our team as you have does NOT make us Ted Thompson fans.
    There are probably less than fifty Ted fans left in the entire state of Wisconsin, and there are only two on this site. People can be pretty stupid, but only a very select few are quite THAT stupid. Give us some credit please.

  139. Supersuckers says: Nov 25, 2009 3:59 PM

    They may end up being a powerhouse. There is a loooooooonnnnggg way to go. I never say someone is right. I say I agree or I think you are right. Buy its still a blind opinion.
    All GMs make mistakes. Beer Cheese probably sites Wolf as a great GM
    Michels
    Reynolds
    Conway
    Edwards
    Vinson
    Holland
    Buckley
    Jonathon Brown
    by most these guys would be considered mistakes. All these guys were selected by Wolf. ted Thompson won his executive of the year award for a good reason. He cleaned up a mess (non football related) and fielded a playoff team 2 years after a 4-12. It is my belief he will win another exec of the year award this year or next.

  140. Supersuckers says: Nov 25, 2009 4:05 PM

    Not McCarthy. I think he is still on the hot seat. If this team falls apart the next six games and they finish 7-9 or 6-10 then I believe he would be gone.

  141. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 25, 2009 4:08 PM

    Chickenfoot says:
    If you are going to call everyone on here football idiots, including yourself, that would preclude that we are all wrong and no one is right.
    These coaches and GM’s are not Gods. Yeah, they got where they are on merit. But there are several other guys out there with just as much knowledge who are waiting and may never get a shot.
    Expectations were for this team to be a powerhouse, many experts said so. I don’t blame packer fans for being upset, and for you to not even question the regime one iota is dumbfounding.
    ____________________________________
    Thanks for that, Chicken, an occasional dose of common sense does wonders. Well, hopefully it does, in this case.
    The last paragraph sums it up. Right or wrong, we were expecting a powerhouse team that would run with the best in the league. We got swept by a hated rival, and beaten by an 0-8 Tampa team. Of course we’re bound to be a little upset about that. I don’t feel anyone that wouldn’t be is much of a fan.
    I realize we have a winning record again now, and that we’re firmly in the wildcard hunt. However, this was supposed to be the final product of Ted’s five-year rebuild. Although there are talented players on the team, consistency and depth are lacking to the point that I don’t feel the man deserves another year. If he was the expert some claim he is, he’d have put us in a much better position right now.
    Following leaders just because they are leaders is the mentality that is slowly destroying this country. your lemmings analogy is more than accurate, and I agree, it’s frightening.

  142. Supersuckers says: Nov 25, 2009 4:20 PM

    Beer Cheese,
    I guess you need reminding also that there is more then a third of the season left. The powerhouse you are looking for could still arrive.

  143. Supersuckers says: Nov 25, 2009 4:21 PM

    Well Beer after reading another one of your idiotic posts I see the light hasn’t quite come on for you yet. It will someday. I think.

  144. Chickenfoot says: Nov 25, 2009 4:40 PM

    Super:
    the difference between Wolf and Teabag is that Wolf fielded consistent winners.
    TT
    4-12
    13-3 abberation
    6-10
    6-4 tough part of the schedule coming
    His die hard refusal to supplement the roster with a major free agant signing or two is idiotic.
    It pust all the pressure on do not just draft well, but draft extremely well. Which he hasn’t.
    Beer: your welcome ;)

  145. Majik Man says: Nov 25, 2009 5:25 PM

    Supersuckers says:
    Change is always steps backwards….
    Absolutely correct, just like the Dolphins and Falcons proved last year. After respective 1-15 and 4-12 seasons, both clubs cleaned house, and each finished 11-5 the next year. What horrible decisions both clubs made, they may never recover from those changes.
    And look at the huge step back the Colts took this year after changing coaches. Those guys are awful now.
    And look at the success of the Seahawks after losing Thompson’s dead weight. A Super Bowl appearance and 3 straight division titles immediately following the regime change.
    Meanwhile, Thompson took over a team that had gone 44-20 in the previous 4 years before his arrival, and is currently 37-37 after taking over a perennial winner coming off 3 straight division championships. Nice 5 year plan. I can’t wait to see his 10 year plan.

  146. Majik Man says: Nov 25, 2009 5:30 PM

    Oh, and hayward, happy turkey day man. Thanks for helping make these pre-vacation work days go a little faster. The Pats still suck, but you seem to be every bit as big of a stubborn prick as I am, so for that, much props. Later bro.

  147. Supersuckers says: Nov 25, 2009 6:47 PM

    You cant count Thompsons first year. Woodson wasn’t a major free agent signing? 11-5 record? Whose to say Thompson doesnt achieve that this year? Tough part of the schedule? 2 of the last 6 have winning records and Arizona may have nothing to play for week 17 so… i guess its how you look at it…lol.

  148. Supersuckers says: Nov 25, 2009 6:51 PM

    Majik,
    You dont seem to get that a GM’S job is long term thinking. Seattles success had alot to do with Thompsons decisions those previous years. The first year in Green Bay was the 4-12 year in which for a GM is essentially evaluation and implementing infrastructure. He inherited a mess and two years later had a team in the NFC title game. By your logic are you going to count all the losses to Ron Wolf in 1991 when he was hired? In the offseason he fired Infante and hired Holmgren. Sherman’s failings as a GM led to their cycle down. Thompson got them back up both on the field and financially as VP of operations.

  149. Majik Man says: Nov 25, 2009 7:42 PM

    Yes, I do count all of Wolf’s losses. Because they were his. Unlike you, I don’t discount the facts in order to support my arguments. Thompson inherited a playoff contending, division champ. After 2 years, he was 12-20. His first move was to draft a QB that he knew wouldn’t see the field for at least another 2 years, instead of drafting someone who would contribute immediately. He didn’t need a QB of the future, he had one in Favre, who is still playing at a high level 5 years later. And TT’s blunders have been countless since then.
    He had a chance to bring a title to Green Bay, but refused to give a 4th round pick for Randy Moss. He kept that pick so he could build through the draft, and he used it on Allan Barbre. He addressed the WR position with James Jones, a decent young player, but Moss could outplay him in a wheelchair.
    Thompson’s 44 draft picks from his first 4 drafts have yielded exactly one Pro Bowler, Nick Collins. This is bad for anyone, but especially horrible for a supposed “draft guru.”
    You don’t seem to understand that the NFL is a “win now” league, which explains why you have this strange man crush on Thompson, because he can’t grasp that win now concept either.

  150. Supersuckers says: Nov 26, 2009 2:03 AM

    Majik Man,
    By your screen name I can only assume you are a Don Majkowski fan. You need to learn long term success instead of sporadic free agent signings (guys that are not….for the most part…wanted by their own teams) I am going to raise the stakes right now. Period. This Green Bay Packer team WILL make the tournament and make a run. Ted Thompson has supplied this football team with talent. It is up to McCarthy. In my own opinion which means nothing….believes the 2009 Green Bay packers will be a force by the end of this season

  151. Supersuckers says: Nov 26, 2009 2:05 AM

    majik,
    You have no idea what you are talking about.

  152. Supersuckers says: Nov 26, 2009 2:11 AM

    Majik,
    Hindsight is a wonderfull tool in the game of life isnt it?

  153. Majik Man says: Nov 26, 2009 10:06 AM

    Super
    Nice broad generalizations when trying to attack my arguments. I guess that’s all you have to use when you know the guy you’re arguing with is right. As far as hindsight, it didn’t take a genius to realize that Randy Moss was going to outperform any 3rd or 4th round draft pick. It’s not hindsight, it’s common sense.
    Please specify what it is that I ” have no idea” about. I presented you with facts, and it’s pretty apparent you are struggling to disprove them.
    It’s great that you’re “raising the stakes” and all, but who cares. There is no way to hold you accountable for your wishful predictions. See, I can do this too. The Cleveland Browns will win the rest of their games. Period.
    It means nothing, and my prediction has about the same chance of success as yours does.
    I do understand the concept of long term success. Ted has had 5 years. 1 playoff appearance and the 2 worst seasons in the last 17 years. Countless wasted draft picks, and a team that is staring 8-8 right in the face if they don’t start playing better. All the work of Thompson’s 5 year plan. You need to stop focusing on the “long term”, and realize Ted has had 5 years. They should be winning now, not looking to the future. And eeking out a wildcard birth (if they somehow do) is not considered winning.
    How much more time are you willing to give him? Are you still going to be singing his praises after another 5 years of mediocrity, preaching to everyone about Thompson’s long term vision? Ted may be a great accountant, but so is the guy who does my taxes. His number crunching prowess may qualify him to be GM of an H&R Block, but not a professional football team. Thompson is a failure, you need to accept this.

  154. Supersuckers says: Nov 26, 2009 11:52 AM

    Majik,
    You need someone to do your taxes for you? I am embarrased for you. Time? He seems to be doing well now. They are a winning football team setting themselves up to make a run. Thompson has the right philosophy in my opinion. He doesn’t overspend which is something you guys do not get because you arent in charge of the Green Bay Packers and their funds. They are a 6-4 most likely 7-4 after today. The Dallas Cowbows won a super bowl one year when they were 7-4 after 11 games coming off a loss on T-Day. We will be 7-4 coming off a win and essentially another bye week to rest and heal. Thompson. The man. Majik. the only failure in this conversation is you. If you could do better you would be sitting in his office. You are not. You are typing on this site. ted Thompson will be in Green Bay for a long time. Get used to it. Happy turkey day!

  155. Majik Man says: Nov 26, 2009 12:36 PM

    Yes, Super, I have an accountant do my taxes, as do most business owners. Some people’s taxes are a little more complicated than the W2 you get from Arby’s.
    How can you be satisfied with Thompson. The team he has assembled got pummeled by an 0-8 Tampa Bay. Brett Favre (the guy Thompson didn’t want and who leads the league in QB rating) and his new team destroyed them twice. They are 6-4, after 5 years. They were 10-6 the year before Ted, and in 4 full seasons, he has eclipsed that record once. They have 4 very difficult games after this week, which is not going to be a cakewalk.
    You constantly tell me I’m wrong, and use juvenile name calling to get you fruitless points across. Yet you have yet to disprove anything I say, you just point to that unimpressive 6-4 record.
    And by the way, just because someone is a GM doesn’t automatically mean they are going to excel at their job, or that they deserve it. Unless you think Matt Millen was a great football mind, which you actually probably do.

  156. Majik Man says: Nov 26, 2009 12:45 PM

    7-0 Detroit, by the way. Essentially a bye week, right? Looks like we got a ball game.

  157. Supersuckers says: Nov 27, 2009 9:41 AM

    You obviously do not see the whole picture in the Favre saga. He had two years left on his deal in New York. You figure it out from there Einstein.

  158. Majik Man says: Nov 27, 2009 11:29 AM

    You obviously do not see the whole picture in the Favre saga. He had a GM pushing him out the door the minute he arrived. As if drafting Rodgers wasn’t enough evidence, how about refusing to trade for Randy Moss, or the $20 million bribe to not play. Or not hiring Mariucci or someone else qualified, instead hiring the offensive coordinator of the 49ers, who had the 32nd ranked offense in scoring and yardage under McCarthy. You figure it out from there Einstein.

  159. Supersuckers says: Nov 27, 2009 1:11 PM

    Majik,
    McCarthy spent one year in SF with a rebuilding team. He spent the 5 previous coordinating a explosive Saints offense and prior to that was in Kansas City with Shottenheimer. His resume was impressive enough to get him a iterview with the Browns in 2000 for their hc position. Dig a little deeper son. Thompson was pushing him out the door? Hardly. Thompson is a straight up no nonsense guy that surely wasnt going to let a player…any player dictate his decisions. He tried to get Moss. The deal just didnt work out. Ive seen the favre interviews you are referencing too. The 20 million? Yeah the team had moved on in the off season with Rodgers and taking Favre back would have been a concession that Thompson and McCarthy really arent the ones in charge. They offered Brett a chance to compete for the job. he refused. Brett was then done right by being traded to a team that wanted him. he played like hell (injury I guess..whatever) and retired again. If you cant figure out what really happened then I will tell you. Just let me know.

  160. Supersuckers says: Nov 27, 2009 2:57 PM

    majik,
    I cannot argue with someone who doesnt know that Thompson had nothing to do with 2005 and the 4-12. I cannot debate with someone who does not know what a GM’s ENTIRE responsibility is. If you want to blame someone blame McCarthy. How can you hate a GM when his team is 7-4? If they were 7-4 and swept Minnesota would you feel the same way? There is more to the season then two games son! We may play them again. We may not. But if we do we will be much improved from the previous two meetings. The last one in which they were 28 yards from taking the lead with 3 minutes to play after getting crushed and down 20 in the first half. We just see things differently and I am going to leave it at that. I believe in my Thompson’s philosophy and you do not. Neither of us is wrong. Yet.

  161. Supersuckers says: Nov 27, 2009 3:00 PM

    and majik my reference to a second bye week was not that the Lions were pushovers. It was now they have until a week from Monday to heal up. Essentially a second bye week. Which they need.

  162. Majik Man says: Nov 27, 2009 6:00 PM

    McCarthy’s “explosive” Saints offenses
    1999- 29th in points scored 19th in yards
    2000- 10th in points, 10th in yards
    2001- 13th in points, 10th in yards
    2002- 3rd in points, 19th in yards
    2003- 14th in points, 11th in yards
    2004- 14th in points, 15th in yards
    If by explosive you mean mediocre, then yes, you’re correct. And low and behold, in 2006, one full season removed from McCarthy’s dead weight, the Saints had the NFL’s No. 1 offense. Perhaps you should dig a little deeper, son.
    As for TT “trying” to get Moss, he offered a 5th, and refused to give a 4th. And we all know how that worked out (Barbre).
    And yes, TT did have something to do with 2005. He decimated the offensive line, and started the season with 8 different starters than the previous year’s division winner.He used his 1st round pick on a QB, instead of an immediate need. I fully understand there was a cap mess, but he could have worked through it. But he was hellbent on building “his” team, so he blew up the perennial playoff team he inherited.
    I’m also fully aware that there are more than 2 games in a season, son (incredibly lame, by the way). You’re the one who keeps focusing on those Vikes games, I mentioned multiple other games where I thought the Pack looked subpar.
    One other thing, how can I blame McCarthy for the Packer’s 2005 season? He was busy leading the Niners to one of the worst offensive showings in NFL history, and had nothing to do with Thompson’s path of destruction until the next year. Stay sharp, bud.

  163. Supersuckers says: Nov 28, 2009 2:12 AM

    7-4 Majik. A record your screen name could never muster. Ted Thompson for life!!Majik/Beer Cheese. You are not in the know. If you were…you would have been hired instead of McCarthy. But here you are with the rest of us know nothings. Lets see what happens the rest of the long season.

  164. Todd says: Nov 28, 2009 2:01 PM

    I love “PFT” and it’s fans.
    There is this weird combination of NFL knowledge, humor & tongue-in-cheek hostility.
    Minn transplant here in Los Angeles for many years now- I go to Vikes’ games whenever they play out West & purchased the Cardinals game tickets in July.
    Surprised that Brady/Belichick/Miami got bumped, but New England could be NBC “Flexed’ Dec 27 versus the Jaguars depending on playoff possibilities.
    By the way, Minn:
    Vikes are important to the state financially – Please find a way to build the stadium!
    Study the Glendale, Arizona solution, progress and results. It’s an excellent situation and, just like last year, I myself as a ‘visitor’ contribute to usage of the hotel, rental cars, restaurants, shops, etc…
    Exactly as their plan was envisioned.
    DO NOT move to California!!!

  165. Majik Man says: Nov 28, 2009 7:30 PM

    Super
    I find it quite humorous that when you have no argument, because you know I’m right and you’re incredibly wrong, you just chalk it up to “knowbody knows nothing,” and the GM is the know all, end all authority.
    Here’s a little piece of common sense that most people already realize… GM’s aren’t always perfect, and they’re not always right. And since you refuse to admit the failure that is Ted Thompson, I will introduce exhibit B… Matt Millen. Not good enough, you say, well how about George Kokinis, or Phil Savage? These men were all deemed qualified to run a team, and obviously they were not. So why is it so hard for you to believe that Thompson just might not be qualified?

  166. Supersuckers says: Nov 29, 2009 1:17 PM

    Majik/Beer,
    Because they are 7-4 and loaded with talent. He turned around a disaster that resulted in a 4-12 due to Sherman and two years later had them in the NFC title game and possibly more until favre pissed it away. He was voted EXECUTIVE of THE YEAR by his PEERS. PEOPLE IN THE KNOW say publicly he is doing one helluva job in Green Bay. Is that a good enough answer for you? I’ll repeat. His peers (PEOPLE IN THE KNOW) say he is doing one helluva job in Green Bay. People not in the know (YOU) have opinions. Which is fine. But they mean squat because you are NOT IN THE KNOW OR A PEER of Ted Thompson.

  167. Majik Man says: Nov 29, 2009 3:21 PM

    Lindy Infante was once voted Coach of the Year, and was fired 2 years later. How could this be? He was Coach of the year? Voted on by his PEERS, PEOPLE IN THE KNOW. Brett Favre won that meaningless trophy for Thompson by guiding that band of misfits to a 13-3 record, without Favre, Thompson’s Packers are a sub .500 joke, that got pounded by Favre’s new team twice.
    And if you want to argue that it wasn’t all Favre in 2007, then why haven’t they duplicated that success without him? A GM’s job is to make sure the talent is there and the team is always improving. And according to you, Ted is doing a “helluva” job, so the talent now should be better than in 2007. So if TT is excelling at his job, and Rodgers is better than Favre (which according to Thompson he is), why do the Packers have a losing record since 2007?
    He turned that 4-12 disaster into last years 6-10 disaster. Not much of an improvement. And don’t blame that NFC championship game on Favre, don’t be that ignorant fan. Favre carried that team on his back all year, and McCarthy’s coaching lost that game, i.e. refusing to make adjustments to cover Plaxico and letting Harris get abused all day.
    But I guess we will see in the next few weeks. With 3 games against playoff contenders, including both of last year’s Super Bowl teams, and a trip to Soldier Field on their plate, the playoffs are in no way a certainty. But at least we can all count on you going back to the “nobody knows nothin’ except for guys IN THE KNOW” routine when you have nothing intelligent to say. That never gets old.

  168. martinez33 says: Nov 30, 2009 3:13 PM

    Haters PLease,
    Only the most explosive team in the league right now…I try to watch every televised game every week as a football fan…..Arent you sick of the Pats yet…..ZZZZZZ like Brangolina of the NFL……Real football are the Vikes….and Favre haters…please………..can you say MVP ….Miami, here we come
    SKOL
    * For Sure!!! I can’t wait to see all the purple haters cry when we make it to the SuperBowl! SKOL VIKINGS!!*

  169. hayward giablommi says: Dec 1, 2009 5:30 PM

    @ martinez33
    How many months have you been a Vikings fan now?

  170. PurpleRaid12 says: Dec 3, 2009 12:58 PM

    Super……
    I thought you “resigned” like 2 weeks ago? because people were “slinging trash” comments on this site….. why did you come back? was it because you realized your comments were just as pitiful?

  171. Desertman says: Dec 5, 2009 1:08 AM

    Cardinals are the REIGNING SB CHAMPS.
    The Steelers DID NOT SCORE on harrison’s int return. There was a BLOCK IN THE BACK that the 80 year old refs MISSED at the 34 yard line.
    play over – end of half.

  172. kravon says: Dec 7, 2009 8:39 AM

    I said this the other day…for some reason I liked the Cardinals in the game last night.
    Now I know why. When you shut down the run, Mr. Favre looks like he did when he played for the Jets.
    Circle jerk.

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