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Ward "clarifies" his comments about Roethlisberger

Steelers receiver Hines Ward skipped into a deep pile of controversy over the weekend, via some candid remarks to Bob Costas of NBC regarding the team’s decision not to play quarterback Ben Roethlisberger on Sunday night against the Ravens.

Ward called in to ESPN’s SportsCenter on Monday with what the anchors are calling a “clarification.”  The words, however, sound more like a “retraction.”

The retraction is being blamed on a lack of communication, with Adam Schefter explaining that Ward simply wasn’t comfortable with the manner in which the message was communicated.

The mixed signals to Ward likely became a consequence of the fact that the post-practice headaches were cover for a coaching decision made early in the week, and kept under wraps so that the Ravens would prepare to face Roethlisberger.

Our guess is that coach Mike Tomlin has pulled Ward aside last night or this morning and talked to him about the situation, prompting Ward’s effort to clean up the mess he made by suggesting that Roethlisberger should have hidden any symptoms he might have been experiencing and sucked it up for a “must” win situation.

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  1. bearsrule says: Nov 30, 2009 1:13 PM

    Hines got taken out back of the woodshed. Bet it doesn’t happen again.

  2. bunker says: Nov 30, 2009 1:14 PM

    Bengals are 3 games up on the Stillers. Who on earth really cares about Hines Ward??

  3. Deb says: Nov 30, 2009 1:20 PM

    Hines shouldn’t be commenting on internal matters to the media, period. But the comments he made last night–as evidenced by the film you provided for those of us in “denial”–weren’t exactly the hostile calling-out they’ve been portrayed to be. He just implied Ben should have lied about his symptoms, which indicates his own ignorance about brain injury more than anything else. As for it being well-known, as one poster suggested, that the Steelers players don’t like Ben: Yeah, that’s evident by the way they elected him a team captain and rallied ’round him after his legal troubles.
    Keep stirring the pot, Mike. We play better when we’re under siege. Maybe if you stir hard enough, you’ll spur us to a run comparable to 2005. I can live with that. Stir, stir, stir.

  4. SlipperyPete says: Nov 30, 2009 1:23 PM

    Remember when the Steelers beat the Vikings? That was awesome.

  5. Phokus says: Nov 30, 2009 1:26 PM

    “Clarification” my ass, obviously ward called out ben and Tomlin chewed out his ass for saying the obvious: Ben is a wuss and drama queen.

  6. ShootahCowboy says: Nov 30, 2009 1:30 PM

    @Deb
    Very well said…

  7. Citizen Strange says: Nov 30, 2009 1:31 PM

    Roethlisberger should cut Ward some slack because he owes him.
    Back in 2008? in a Sports Illustrated offseason article about jacked up hits or something like that(at the time) Ravens linebacker Bart Scott went OFF on what happened during the Ravens vs. Steelers game the previous season going on and on about how good he felt after sacking Roethlisberger and how bad he hurt Roethlisberger and how Roethlisberger was even bigger than him (him = Scott and I say judgment call) and he still hurt him just going way overboard sadistic lunatic about what a big, mean, tough guy linebacker he was ….. the next time the Ravens played the Steelers Hines Ward just cleaned Bart Scott’s freakin’ clock!
    I said at the time that if I was Roethlisberger Hines Ward’s kids would have gotten some crazy expensive cool Christmas presents from me that year!

  8. iusedtobeteddybayer says: Nov 30, 2009 1:31 PM

    Hines Ward, as Travolta said in Pulp Fiction, “shoulda better known better”.

  9. Chuck Norris says: Nov 30, 2009 1:32 PM

    2005? Are they gonna bring Kimo back for an encore?

  10. VoxVeritas says: Nov 30, 2009 1:33 PM

    oooh don’t make the steelers angry! You won’t like them when they’re angry! I guess they’re not angry enough to not be the third best team in a mediocre division.

  11. Ravenmaniac says: Nov 30, 2009 1:34 PM

    I was at the game last night so I did not see any of the post game interviews….was Cryins Ward Boo-hooing??
    Looks like the NFL’s dirtiest player is also the steelers dirtiest team mate…..way to throw ben under the bus douche bag!!
    I have to give Dixon credit, he came into a hostile environment and did really well…his only glaring mistake was the interception and all QB’s do that at inopertune times…this was a typical Ravens steelers slug fest. As always this was a heart attack game from beginning to end.
    As much as I hate the steelers, ben, and hines ward…the steelers front office and organization as a whole is a class operation and Tomlin and team doctors not letting ben get his way and play hurt points to why they are a good organization. Too bad cowher didnt stand up to ben in 2006 maybe the steelers could have been better than 6-10.

  12. m1k3- says: Nov 30, 2009 1:34 PM

    To my fellow Steeler fans,
    Don’t take the bait and argue with fans of shit teams. Let them think whatever they want at this point. Hines was frustrated and popped off a bit. This will all be water under the bridge by tomorrow afternoon.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeQEjaoAma8

  13. Nard100 says: Nov 30, 2009 1:35 PM

    I don’t think that Hine Ward was really calling out Rothlisberger, but expressing his confusion about how a guy who practiced all week, was all of a sudden not cleared to play. He was probably calling out coaches. No one can question Big Ben’s heart. This is the same guy who played with damaged organs a few seasons ago for crying out loud. He is always putting his body on the line to make a play. I’m not a Steelers, but you can’t question Rothlisberger’s, heart, you just can’t.

  14. AnnoyingKnowItAll says: Nov 30, 2009 1:36 PM

    Isn’t every game a must win? There no difference in this game than a game in Week 1 or Week 3. Ward shoulda played harder. Injuries happen and it’s always better to err on the side of caution when dealing with something that people know so little about…
    Hines (and anyone else in the locker room that thought the same) has lost some character points on this one for suggesting that Ben should have lied about his condition.
    When Ben is a 47 year old depressed vegatable with the mind of a 6 year-old, lets see if Hines and his buddies will take care of him then…

  15. HamBurghlar says: Nov 30, 2009 1:45 PM

    bunker: Bengals have the division, good job on the math! Barring a Cinci collapse (which isn’t far off, since they’ve been collapsing for the last 20 years) the division is theirs, but I could have swore there are some wild card berths as well.. And I bet Cinci would be a bit scurrred to play the Steelers for a third time this year.. just like those Ratbirds from Baltimore last year. Either way, it’s still Cinci.. shit town, shit team. Who dey? WE DEY, as always.

  16. Deb says: Nov 30, 2009 1:51 PM

    @Ravenmaniac …
    Though a bit snarky … good comments! I agree wholeheartedly on Cowher/2006.
    Congrats on the win. Always great to watch these two battle it out. The only thing that would have made it better would have been some rain and mud :-) Looking forward to the next one.

  17. redsquare says: Nov 30, 2009 1:51 PM

    The only mistake the Steelers made was not being more decisive and committed in playing Dixon. Through most of the game, especially early on, the Steelers coaches were timid, trying so hard not to lose that they forgot to try to win.
    There’s a certain statistical logic to the idea of playing ultra-conservatively and hoping you get a lucky break to win. And it was a very close game. But I think the Steelers coaches’ timidity and waffling is what made the difference. Dixon could have won the game for them if they’d have opened things up earlier.
    Instead, they played offense almost apologetically and edged their way into a situation where it came down to whether a brand-new QB or tough, seasoned defense would come through in a do-or-die situation.
    Great plan, Steeelers. You didn’t do the kid justice, and you also lost the game. What good comes from that?

  18. Magnum says: Nov 30, 2009 1:52 PM

    m1k3- says:
    November 30, 2009 1:34 PM
    To my fellow Steeler fans,
    Don’t take the bait and argue with fans of shit teams. Let them think whatever they want at this point. Hines was frustrated and popped off a bit. This will all be water under the bridge by tomorrow afternoon
    Mr.m1k3,
    You sir are the fan of a shit team. You quarterback gets injured and your wr. goes off about him not playing. You have the nerve to call other teams “shit” teams. Well sir last time i checked your TEAM is not in first so your steelers must be a shit team! To use your quote a bit……”by the playoffs the steelers will be water under the bridge.”

  19. Sourdough says: Nov 30, 2009 1:52 PM

    @m1k3: Seems to me the Steelers are a $hit team who, if you haven’t noticed, are on a three game losing streak. Among the teams the Steelers have lost to during this streak are the KC Chiefs. The KC Chiefs for crying out loud!!!
    Better luck next year.

  20. DC_Bengals_Fan says: Nov 30, 2009 1:53 PM

    “oooh don’t make the steelers angry! You won’t like them when they’re angry! I guess they’re not angry enough to not be the third best team in a mediocre division.”
    Any of the AFCN top 3 would cream any of the NFCE top 3, Voxy. Dallas in particular has feasted on a total cream-puff schedule. Your Cowgirls have decent wins over Philly and ATL, that’s it.
    I have a feeling you won’t be around here much in January after Wade and Romo do their patented late-season choke job.

  21. Lombardi 6 says: Nov 30, 2009 1:57 PM

    Hey Ravenmaniac–good win last night..I didnt see any postgame interviews with Ward..But on TV they kept showing Ward take Ed Reed for a 15 yard ride, then plowed him into the ground..Then they showed highlights of Hines busting Ed Reed-Bart Scott–etc..See ya in the Burgh–In 2006 they were 8-8…Werent u guys like 3-13 a few yrs ago??

  22. stukinappalachia says: Nov 30, 2009 2:01 PM

    Hopefully they’ll put this behind them and go for a motorcycle ride together (sans helmets).

  23. Ravens Fan says: Nov 30, 2009 2:01 PM

    Too bad Ward can’t take back what he said. He said Roethlishomo is a p*ssy to Costas, then proceeded to lose to the Ravens. Who are in front of Pissburgh in the wild card race.

  24. urbusted says: Nov 30, 2009 2:04 PM

    m1k3- says:
    November 30, 2009 1:34 PM
    To my fellow Steeler fans,
    Don’t take the bait and argue with fans of shit teams. Let them think whatever they want at this point. Hines was frustrated and popped off a bit. This will all be water under the bridge by tomorrow afternoon.
    Hey, way to rally the troops! That Hines needs to just button it up doesn’t he? Thanks again for keeping the Steeler fans focused. It’s difficult ( that means kind of hard ) to do since the average IQ of a steeler fan is 54. Now no fair responding ( saying something back ) to this with some negativity ( something not nice ) since it will only make you seem dumber. Question: What do the Browns and Steelers have in common this year? Answer: Neither team is going to make the play offs.

  25. Bill Cowher's Chin says: Nov 30, 2009 2:19 PM

    # HamBurghlar says: November 30, 2009 1:45 PM
    bunker: Bengals have the division, good job on the math! Barring a Cinci collapse (which isn’t far off, since they’ve been collapsing for the last 20 years) the division is theirs, but I could have swore there are some wild card berths as well.. And I bet Cinci would be a bit scurrred to play the Steelers for a third time this year.. just like those Ratbirds from Baltimore last year. Either way, it’s still Cinci.. shit town, shit team. Who dey? WE DEY, as always.
    ___________________________________
    Your comment doesnt make sense. Last year, Pitt beat Balt 2 times in the reg season, so I agree with your point that the Ravens didnt want to play the Steelers a 3rd time.
    But this year, the Bengals are 2-0 against Pitt, so why would the Bengals be “scurrred” to play a team that they already beat twice?????? Wouldnt it be the other way around? That is, unless they find another player to play the Kimo role…..

  26. Ravenmaniac says: Nov 30, 2009 2:25 PM

    Lombardionelegit…first of all ward was a NON-FACTOR last night….that is great keep watching Cryins past highlights…that is all he will have….
    for what a hard hitter ward claims he is…he is proven himself a COWARD!! First he cries when he fumbles, cheap shots players, and now he throws his QB under the bus……coward….ben and ward should watch how Troy handles himself!! That is a professional and a great player!
    We were 5-11….didnt you lose to a 2-8 chiefs team last week??? Read the headlines…..trouble in the steelers paradise……all caused by ward!!!

  27. Jace814 says: Nov 30, 2009 2:25 PM

    Dont bother arguing with Bungles fans. Remember back in 05 when these Cincitucky rednecks said they were about to take over the division for the next decade, and then the next eyar, they were back to being mediocre. It will happen again. They dont have the ownership or the coaching to keep that team consistently competitive like the Ravens and Steelers. By 2011, they will be back at the bottom of the North where they belong, and these fat, ugly Cincy fans will be back to eating chili all day and collecting unemployment because they are uneducated slobs.

  28. WashingtonRedstorms says: Nov 30, 2009 2:26 PM

    Dixon will be the starter next year and Big Ben will be gone.
    Dixon has shown superior maturity and he doesn’t fondle and molest women.
    He respects them, as he has spoken of his love for his mother.
    BYE BYE Ben the pervert.

  29. Jace814 says: Nov 30, 2009 2:27 PM

    urbusted is a pansy. He has to run his mouth online to make himself feel better. Confront him in real life, and he will wet his pants like the little lady he is.

  30. steelersmichele says: Nov 30, 2009 2:28 PM

    urbusted…the Ravens haven’t made the playoffs yet either. And just a few weeks ago, the Baltimore press and fans were saying the chances of a post-season were impossible. Anything can happen and you’re team (and mine) have to do nothing but win here on out.
    I don’t think Ward should have said anything either, but what’s done is done. Tomlin admitted that he didn’t tell the team what was going on with Ben, and I think a lot of players saw him (Ben) practicing all week and figured he was okay to play. Yeah, Ben has been known to embellish injuries, but head injuries are serious and shouldn’t be taken lightly. I think it’s smart to put health before playing. The decision with Ryan Clark was smart and the decision with Ben was smart. Why take those kinds of risks?
    As fans, I think we want players to play through pain, but look at some of the older players who have gotten head injuries and it’s quite sad to see them. We won’t seem to care because there will be a new batch of guys on the field, but don’t wish anyone to get hurt or laugh when they do. That’s classless.
    You know, it’s easy to criticize players on other teams, but wait until it’s your QB who goes down with a serious head injury and you’ll be singing a different tune.

  31. joe6606 says: Nov 30, 2009 2:29 PM

    Meh.
    Ben taking a week off >> playing against Balt and risking further injury.
    If Pittsburgh has any chance of making the playoffs and doing well they need:
    (1) A healthy Ben
    (2) Much improved Defensive play, esp in 4th quarter.
    (3) Improved kick off coverage,
    (4) healthy polamalu.
    With only 5 games left, I’m worried.

  32. jamaltimore says: Nov 30, 2009 2:35 PM

    Steelers FANS: Now you can see what the rest of us see that OVERRATED Hines ward is classless cheap shot artist on and off the field. Although he wasn’t the only one questioning Ben . I saw the Pothead superbowl MVP questioning what was going on with Rapistburger, although he may have been high at the time so I’m sure he’ll retract his comments once he comes down.

  33. SteelClimbing says: Nov 30, 2009 2:37 PM

    Steelers were 8-8 in 2006.

  34. mikula327 says: Nov 30, 2009 2:45 PM

    Typical Wines Hard!

  35. Apetits says: Nov 30, 2009 2:48 PM

    # Deb says: November 30, 2009 1:20 PM
    “We play better when we’re under siege.”
    ——————————————————
    So, tell me, Deb – how long have you been a Steeler? I must have missed you during the intros last night.

  36. munchkin says: Nov 30, 2009 2:49 PM

    So the Steelers weren’t PO’d after losing to the Chiefs? They must have a pretty high tolerance for humility.
    As a Patriots fan I am aghast to find out that an NFL coach would put out mis-information on a player. Belichick is giving NFL fans 17 reasons this week to believe in the honesty surrounding the League’s injury designations.
    Where are all the Tall Tale Tomlin espouser’s who normally reside here to pee their pants about “Belicheat”?

  37. DemocratsAreStupid says: Nov 30, 2009 2:51 PM

    Hines Ward needs to chill or he might get raped

  38. DABOYS says: Nov 30, 2009 2:51 PM

    @DEB..HOW DO WE KNOW THEY VOTED HIM TEAM CAPTAIN? IT COULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO HIM….

  39. spyboots says: Nov 30, 2009 2:52 PM

    @ joe6606
    (5) New OC

  40. Steeler-lady says: Nov 30, 2009 2:55 PM

    lol@you clowns… We love this tho…they play better when in doubt… Keep it comming. Wish you had done it sooner.LOL
    Umm Washington RedStorm,you really should focuss on your worthless team being able to find a coaching staff that can win something.Hey Hows Randall El n Haynesworth working out for yall?? Lol @Haynesworths big payday…hahaha YOU FOOLS!
    lmao I can understand tho.. your mentality level is about the same as theirs.. LOL @BEN BEIN GONE NEXT YEAR>>> hahahhaha Your Mother shouldnt allow you to play on the computer..you dumbshit!

  41. steelersmichele says: Nov 30, 2009 2:57 PM

    jamaltimore: Ward isn’t overrated. His stats prove that…and I’m not going to waste space and list them all here. But there are many of them.
    And you (and other teams) know deep down inside you’d like Ward on your team. He plays offense and defense and is a great player. It’s the smile that pi$$es off most other players and he does it on purpose for that very reason. If he got released by the Steelers and Baltimore picked him up, the entire locker room would embrace him. Don’t kid yourself otherwise.

  42. i'm president charlie! says: Nov 30, 2009 3:04 PM

    Love how other teams’ fans love to try to kick the Steelers and their fans when they are down. “Try” being the operative word. Every game the Steelers have played this season (win or loss) was an exciting game that came right down the wire. What more can a fan ask for after coming off a Super Bowl championship prior to tackling one of the toughest schedules in Super Bowl history?
    And the Steelers still have a realistic shot of making the playoffs this year and NO ONE wants to play the Steelers in January. Their competition is the Jaguars, Texans, Ravens, and Broncos for the wild card…..while a few teams like the Titans have an outside shot in the running. If the Steelers miss the playoffs its no sweat off my back, I can pop in my Super Bowl DVDs and rock my Steelers memorabilia with pride knowing that I cheer for the most succesful franchise in NFL history.
    I can tell that some people on here are not use to their teams winning. And others just have to post something negative under the Steelers section of PFT b/c the Steelers have probably beat their team repeatedly in the past.
    Remember only 1 team will be holding Lombardi in Miami this February. Your team may have beaten the Steelers this year, but if your team doesn’t win it all the jokes on you.
    Enjoy your division/conference champions gear and rock it proudly.
    /puts on Super Bowl Champions hat w/ a wide sh*t eating grin.

  43. Holeinone09 says: Nov 30, 2009 3:11 PM

    To WashingtonRedstorms who said:
    “Dixon will be the starter next year and Big Ben will be gone.
    Dixon has shown superior maturity and he doesn’t fondle and molest women.
    He respects them, as he has spoken of his love for his mother.
    BYE BYE Ben the pervert.”
    *******
    I guess the drugs you undoubtedly have been taking are working. Your post was stupid and a complete waste of space here. BYou must have wanted to see your words in writing on the internet, as you ten minutes of fame.
    Ben will be the QB in Pittsburgh for years to come, and will very likely have a few more Super Bowl rings at the end of the day. That is not to belittle Dixon at all in any way, but he has a lot to learn, naturally, at this stage of his career. But Ben is a special QB for many reasons, of course you are not educated or lucid enough to understand those types of things.
    Ben has not been proven to have molested anybody, except opposing team’s defenses.

  44. Ravenmaniac says: Nov 30, 2009 3:26 PM

    Charlie, I like your attitude…..if the steelers do not make the playoffs pop in that DVD…it could very well be the Ravens and the steelers with the 2 wildcard spots….THAT WOULD BE GREAT!
    But remember no one kicks fans when they are down better than steeler fans….I am definitely not kicking you guys…we still have to play you at your house….that will be TOUGH!!!
    C’mon apetits….every fan refers to their as “their team or We”!!! I do it all the time and so do all true fans!! They are our teams!!

  45. m1k3- says: Nov 30, 2009 3:31 PM

    # urbusted says: November 30, 2009 2:04 PM
    Hey, way to rally the troops! That Hines needs to just button it up doesn’t he? Thanks again for keeping the Steeler fans focused. It’s difficult ( that means kind of hard ) to do since the average IQ of a steeler fan is 54. Now no fair responding ( saying something back ) to this with some negativity ( something not nice ) since it will only make you seem dumber. Question: What do the Browns and Steelers have in common this year? Answer: Neither team is going to make the play offs.
    ————————————————————
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    You gotta love it when someone pulls the ‘you have a low IQ’ card in a post riddled with grammatical errors akin to a 5th grader. I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess it’s a Bengals fan. Why? He doesn’t know how to spell ‘playoffs’.

  46. steelersmichele says: Nov 30, 2009 3:35 PM

    Apetits: Steelers fans use “we” because we are considered the 12th (wo)man. We win/we lose as a team. We are part of the team. Sorry you don’t feel that way about your team. Or are you one of thsoe fans that say “we won/they lost”
    DABOYS: Ben was selected as team captain by his teammates. It wasn’t “given” to him. I’m hoping your comment was a sad attempt to be sarcastic because otherwise you look a tad bit dumb.
    All I can say is 6. No one else has that many rings…NO ONE. We won last year…can’t win every year…and unless your team wins it all this year, you’re a loser. We’ll all be losers except one team. And technically, until someone else wins, we’re still the defending champs.

  47. Inigo Montoya says: Nov 30, 2009 3:50 PM

    Steeler-lady says:
    November 30, 2009 2:55 PM
    lol@you clowns… We love this tho…they play better when in doubt… Keep it comming. Wish you had done it sooner.LOL
    Umm Washington RedStorm,you really should focuss on your worthless team being able to find a coaching staff that can win something.Hey Hows Randall El n Haynesworth working out for yall?? Lol @Haynesworths big payday…hahaha YOU FOOLS!
    lmao I can understand tho.. your mentality level is about the same as theirs.. LOL @BEN BEIN GONE NEXT YEAR>>> hahahhaha Your Mother shouldnt allow you to play on the computer..you dumbshit!
    ——————————-
    How anyone could call anybody else a “dumbshit” after this post is incredible! I’m not a fan of the Ravens, Steelers, or Bengals, but it’s posts like this one that keep me coming back for more.
    HILARIOUS!!!!!!

  48. Siggy00 says: Nov 30, 2009 4:12 PM

    “If it were me, no I wouldn’t go,” Ward said. “You know what? Football’s second when it comes to someone’s life. Life is more important than football to me.”
    -Hines Ward on Ryan Clark playing in Denver
    I guess Ben Roethlisberger’s life doesn’t matter to Hines Ward as much as Clark’s does, only he knows why.

  49. Somnambulus says: Nov 30, 2009 4:39 PM

    i’m president charlie! says: November 30, 2009 3:04 PM
    And the Steelers still have a realistic shot of making the playoffs this year and NO ONE wants to play the Steelers in January.
    ————-
    I give you realistic if you take the long odds. That said, I bet New England would like to play Pittsburgh in January. They have had success in the past. Like when Belichick’s taped signals helped Troy Brown return a punt for six. Wait. That doesn’t make sense.

  50. DABOYS says: Nov 30, 2009 4:55 PM

    @STEELERSMICHELE DID YOU SEE THE ACTUAL LIVE VOTE OR ARE YOU A SKEEZER OF ONE OF HIS TEAM MATES?

  51. Deb says: Nov 30, 2009 4:56 PM

    @Apetits …
    Bless your heart!!!! You mean you’ve never experienced that kind of fan identification? I’ve been “one” with the Steelers for years and years. They’re family. We’ve suffered through losing years together. We’ve swaggered through winning years together. We’ve laughed and cried and jumped for joy over Super Bowls together. We’ve celebrated Hall of Fame inductions together. We’ve mourned the deaths of players who were before my time together. We’re planning, as Tomlin said, “to unleash hell in December” together.
    There’d be no fans without the teams. But there’d be no teams without the fans. True fans of all NFL teams get that. So sad you don’t.

  52. Deb says: Nov 30, 2009 5:03 PM

    @DABOYS …
    The players vote for team captains. That’s why I used it as an example of his popularity with his teammates.

  53. Bens Attorney says: Nov 30, 2009 5:04 PM

    @ Steelermichele Steelers fans use “we” because we are considered the 12th (wo)man.
    Thats is precise. LOL
    Deb Great post as always..You nailed it , I think that is why we fly under the radar this year.
    My thoughts on this, I got bent out of shape when I saw the interview. I thought you know “oh well” I think whoever made the decision , whether it was Ben , Tomlin or the DRS, it was the right decision. I think this is being turned into more than it really is.. Ben and Hines are adults, teammates, and Veterans on a good team. I do not see this as a problem. I agree with some of the posters on here , I think Tomlin will nip it in the bud. I think they put it behind them and move on.

  54. DABOYS says: Nov 30, 2009 5:05 PM

    @DEB…IF BEN HAD THE CHANCE HE WOULD TOUCH YOU IN PLACES THAT YOU DIDN’T LIKE…WELL MAYBE YOU WOULD…J/K

  55. HamBurghlar says: Nov 30, 2009 5:05 PM

    Bill Cowher’s Chin: What I was getting at was that no team in their RIGHT MIND wants to play the defending Super Bowl champs 3 times in one season, I dont’ care if they did beat us 2x already. Plus check out the last oh, I don’t know, TWENTY years and you’ll see who owns who.. Not counting the last 2 games, Pittsburgh is 30-8 against the Bung-holes in the last 2 decades. What do they always say.. “any given Sunday”?

  56. Bens Attorney says: Nov 30, 2009 5:10 PM

    @ Deb Bless your heart!!!! You mean you’ve never experienced that kind of fan identification? I’ve been “one” with the Steelers for years and years. They’re family. We’ve suffered through losing years together. We’ve swaggered through winning years together. We’ve laughed and cried and jumped for joy over Super Bowls together. We’ve celebrated Hall of Fame inductions together. We’ve mourned the deaths of players who were before my time together. We’re planning, as Tomlin said, “to unleash hell in December” together.
    I could not have said that better myself. and I agree about the statement Tomlin made, I for one cannot wait for the Hell to be unleashed.. Im not throwing in my Terrible Towel just yet, and I know that you arent either. And I doubt the rest of the Steeler Nation is yet. LOL

  57. ncsteeler says: Nov 30, 2009 5:11 PM

    I feel that players have an obligation to tell coaches about all injuries (especially head injuries or any potentially season/career ending injury) Even if its a sore pinky, the coach should be able to make an informed decision about whether a starter at 80% is better than a backup at 100% and whether it’s worth risking a very valuable player’s season or career over 1 or 2 games. Troy Polamolu is a parallel case without the scary potential long term problems from a head injury. Is Carter as good as Troy at 80%? Is it it worth risking Troy’s season for an extra game? Nobody is saying Troy P. isn’t tough enough. Nobody talked about Ryan Clark not being tough enough when he missed the Den. game.
    People including Ward who question Ben’s toughness should look at how HOF players like John Mackey or Mike Webster ended up. I want to see Ben playing for the Steelers for another 6+ seasons and maybe even long enough to see Limas Sweed catch a TD from him.

  58. Deb says: Nov 30, 2009 6:08 PM

    @Bens Attorney … Thanks, girl! Nope, definitely not throwing in that Terrible Towel. Looking forward to unleashing hell in December! :-)
    @ncsteeler … Agreed with your entire post until last sentence. Don’t think anyone on the team will be around long enough to see Limas Sweed catch a TD pass from Ben. God bless him, he has a different kind of head problem that’s even tougher to solve. He’s gotten it into his head that he can’t catch. Think he can work through it with time and help–but not necessarily with us.
    @DABOYS … Sounds like you’re a little peeved that da girls know more about how NFL teams choose captains than you do. lol Say, is your caps lock key broken or do you just shout a lot?

  59. DABOYS says: Nov 30, 2009 6:25 PM

    @DEB I’M A SCREAMER JUST LIKE YOU, AND I TYPE IN CAPS ALL DAY AT WORK…SORRY HABIT

  60. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 30, 2009 6:27 PM

    steelersmichele says:
    Steelers fans use “we” because we are considered the 12th (wo)man. All I can say is 6. No one else has that many rings…NO ONE. We won last year…can’t win every year…and unless your team wins it all this year, you’re a loser. We’ll all be losers except one team. And technically, until someone else wins, we’re still the defending champs.
    ____________________________________
    The blatant ignorance of Steeler fans never ceases to amaze me. It’s like you go out of your way to one-up each other with the stupidity and homerisms. No wonder everyone hates you.
    First, the “12th Man” thing is a Seattle Seahawks trademark. You know, the same Seattle team you claim to hate for making the REAL Pittsburgh 12th man (your refs) work twice as hard to get you a championship?
    Second, as to your “No one else has that many rings” comment.. Despite what you would like to believe (for obvious reasons), the NFL was not formed in 1970. Therefore, the official championships count is: Packers-12, Bears-9, Giants-7, and Steelers in fourth place with 6, although at least two of those six come with a giant asterisk.
    I swear, in between all the steroid use, dirty hits, corrupted officials, and gambling interests, it’s hard to find any reason for anyone not to hate you guys at all.
    It’s okay though. You yourself represent the one thing I DO like about the Steelers. Of all NFL teams, you guys have the highest number of female fans. I really respect that.
    …It’s just too bad most of you ladies are bigger than your team’s offensive linemen. Can’t win them all I guess.

  61. Steeler-lady says: Nov 30, 2009 6:34 PM

    LOL @Daboys not knowing teammates choose their captains every season..Just as they choose their own MVP’s .. lol but hes a Cowboy fan they never have an MVP to choose from. LOL
    I retrack that statement cus Witten is a BEAST!

  62. Deb says: Nov 30, 2009 7:30 PM

    @steelersmichele …
    Re Beer Cheese Soup …
    There’s something wrong with a guy who trolls every post for a team not even in his conference so he can post inaccurate, negative comments. And he particularly lashes out at female fans.
    Twice I’ve posted detailed factual material about the Super Bowls, but runs without responding because he’s just trying to stir the pot and can’t rationally debate any facts. If he knew anything about football history, he’d know the concept of the 12th man predates the existence of the Seahawks by decades and was first used in college ball. Yes, there are other teams that have more championships than we do, and I have tremendous respect for them. We have the highest number of championships in the Super Bowl era–and there are no asterisks by any of them.
    As for his comment about our female fans, well, we all know about men who have to slam knowledgeable female fans. “Is that a toothpick in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?”
    He’s nothing. Ignore him.

  63. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 30, 2009 8:56 PM

    Deb says:
    There’s something wrong with a guy who trolls every post for a team not even in his conference…
    ____________________________________
    Or, maybe, since there is no rivalry between our teams, no real reason to hate you at all, this guy is simply presenting an unbiased look at your team’s corruption and the negative impact it’s having on the league.
    Also, I have nothing against female fans. Read it again, I said that’s the one thing I LIKE about your team. If anything, the league, every team, needs more women like you. As for the 300lb comment, that was a joke, and probably in poor taste. I apologize. However, if the shoe fits…

  64. Beer Cheese Soup says: Nov 30, 2009 10:21 PM

    Oh Deb, and in regard to the rest of your very hateful post, I have numerous times posted replies to back up my asterisk argument. I am NOT one to run from an argument.
    They included links as well. Links to the Vegas line for both games stating the approx amount they would have lost had the Steelers not won those games, stating Bill Leavy’s connection to the Pittsburgh area and the accusations of corruption he faced as an NCAA official, links to the polls that had 64% of the country saying they believed officials did, in fact, affect the end results of those games, and links to a Holmgren letter stating his reasons for resigning from the NFL competition committee after they outright refused to investigate the questionable calls that literally defined Super Bowl 40.
    However, due either to some PFT rule banning the use of non-NBC links, or the fact that Florio is a Steelers fan, who (like most of you) can’t handle the truth, none of those posts ever appeared on here. We’ll see if this one does.
    As for your pointless and cliched toothpick remark, you’re absolutely right about me there, I’ll admit it. Now you can tell me how that somehow absolves your team for what they have done to taint the entire sport of football.

  65. Deb says: Nov 30, 2009 10:36 PM

    @Soup to Nuts …
    Just had to compliment the lovely Hopkins-doing-his-most-condescending-Hannibal tone to your posts. Makes me wonder if you’re having fava beans and a nice chianti.
    As for your, um, humor, it was no surprise that of all the posts here, you chose to call out a woman. I’m afraid the extra-large high heel wouldn’t fit me, but why don’t you try it on? Perhaps your thinly veiled mysogyny is just some sort of … um … vagina-envy.

  66. Deb says: Nov 30, 2009 10:57 PM

    @Beer Cheese …
    My last reply was in response to your previous post where you were your usual smooth-talking self. Didn’t read this last post until after sending that. Don’t know what made you suddenly go ballistic w/me, BC. But we love our team as much as you love yours. Of course, when you attack our team, we’ll fight back. It’s ridiculous to think we wouldn’t.
    As for your points: I said you run because I went point-by-point through the controversial calls of SBXL and you didn’t respond.
    BC, I’ll be honest w/you–I’m a pretty practical girl. My work requires me to be factual. I’m accustomed to doing research and that means not only checking my facts, but checking where those facts originate and making sure they come from RELIABLE, RESPONSIBLE sources. A lot of stuff on the Internet is garbage. I have to deal in logic and don’t indulge in conspiracy theories involving the Steelers or anything else unless there’s SOLID evidence behind it.
    Links to discussions about Vegas lines is not solid evidence. Have you read how much Vegas money was lost on SBXLII when the Giants won? Certainly links to opinion polls is not evidence of any kind. The talking heads did a good job of stirring up controversy in the days after XL–that’s their job. Florio’s done a good job of stirring up controversy about Ben’s concussion. Controversy is good for business. That doesn’t mean it’s substantive. But people buy into it–they eat it up w/a spoon. That’s why the polls are what they are.
    I would like to read your Holmgren letter for myself. I’ve tried to post links to the NFL’s website and PFT would not post them, so I don’t think you should read anything into the failure to post your links.
    As for the toothpick remark–that was no worse than attacking the looks of Pittsburgh’s female fans.
    The idea that the NFL and its refs are throwing games for the Steelers defies logic, Beer Cheese. That’s my big problem w/the whole thing. I feel the same way when people say the refs are biased toward the Pats–and I can’t stand the Pats. Sorry, but I genuinely think you’re overreacting to something that isn’t there.

  67. Bens Attorney says: Nov 30, 2009 11:50 PM

    @ Deb DABOYS … Sounds like you’re a little peeved that da girls know more about how NFL teams choose captains than you do. lol Say, is your caps lock key broken or do you just shout a lot?
    HAHAHAHAHA I am still laughing, Thats right Da girls do know it. I think he has issues, But you know he seems to think he knows alot about you. LOL

  68. Deb says: Dec 1, 2009 12:09 AM

    @Bens Attorney …
    Yeah, I noticed that, too! LOL
    It’s been my night for dealing w/strange ones. I’m beginning to think men get PMS! LOL

  69. Beer Cheese Soup says: Dec 1, 2009 12:44 AM

    –Deb says:
    As for the toothpick remark–that was no worse than attacking the looks of Pittsburgh’s female fans.
    The idea that the NFL and its refs are throwing games for the Steelers defies logic, Beer Cheese. That’s my big problem w/the whole thing. I feel the same way when people say the refs are biased toward the Pats–and I can’t stand the Pats. Sorry, but I genuinely think you’re overreacting to something that isn’t there.
    ____________________________________
    I’ll take the Hannibal bit as a complement, but don’t think a guy with MY username would be seen within a half mile of a Chianti. I can also live with the toothpick remarks, no problem there. I am what I am, and I still get my share. You were clearly more offended by my humor than I was yours. I’ll just leave that one alone.
    Back to the issue at hand. You think I’m overreacting, I think you’re blind. All speculation of possible reasons aside, It’s mind-numbing to think that a knowledgeable football fan, which you certainly seem to be, can watch those Bowls (or the Vikings-Steelers game earlier this season-and you know how quick we Pack fans are to defend the goddamn Vikings), and NOT see some level of uneven officiating.
    I almost feel sorry for you. It must get old having to constantly defend your championships instead of celebrating them. Don’t expect me to let up anytime soon however. Reasonable Pittsburgh fans like yourself are quite a rarity, and picking on the rest of you is simply too much fun.

  70. Apetits says: Dec 1, 2009 12:54 AM

    steelersmichele says: November 30, 2009 3:35 PM
    Apetits: Steelers fans use “we” because we are considered the 12th (wo)man. We win/we lose as a team. We are part of the team.
    —————————————————-
    Oh, I see now. What do your rings look like? What’s that? They forgot to give you (and all the other “Twelfth-persons”) your rings? Damn it! I’d make some phone calls – those things are worth a lot of money steelersmichele – get yours! To think that all this time I’ve been under the delusion that to be on an NFL roster your had to dedicate your life to the sport and hope that you were blessed with the innate ability to play the game at the highest level, when in reality all it takes is possessing the ability to yell, spin a towel above your head and maybe puke or something…Silly me.

  71. Deb says: Dec 1, 2009 2:11 AM

    @Beer Cheese …
    Hon, after that rant about my “hateful” post, I think you get the prize for most sensitive. Glad your “toothpick” serves you well, but, um, TMI. I take sexism seriously, but have no personal stake in your jokes about hefty football fraus. Nice try, though :-)
    Listen, I can handle the Hannibal, but that schizzo thing is creepy. One minute you’re the smooth sarcastic semi-mysogynist–the next you’re cut to the quick over toothpicks, missing links, and my general hatefulness. Don’t go Majik Manson on me. I can only take so many pissy men on one site.
    I’m not blind. Never denied we’ve had some bad calls help us out. The difference is that I’m equally aware of the bad ones that have gone against us and the bad ones that have gone in favor of others (like the ones Wade Phillips was so up in arms about in the Pack game). We came up with the big plays when we needed them in XL. They dropped balls, missed field goals. We’d have won anyway–particularly if the missed pass-interference call had been made against Seattle. So, yeah, I wish the officiating had been up to par.
    Officiating in general is attrocious. It nearly cost us that trip to SBXL. It could have cost us the game last night with the screwed-up spot for the field-goal try at the end of regulation. It’s just silly to say it’s all about us with so much evidence to the contrary. If you were truly concerned about this issue, you’d be lobbying the NFL to fix the problem rather than picking at Steelers fans. But that wouldn’t be nearly as much fun, would it?

  72. Beer Cheese Soup says: Dec 1, 2009 9:24 AM

    Deb says:
    If you were truly concerned about this issue, you’d be lobbying the NFL to fix the problem rather than picking at Steelers fans. But that wouldn’t be nearly as much fun, would it?
    ____________________________________
    I do that too actually. I would like nothing more than to see this problem get fixed before it costs a team I DO like a championship that would have been theirs. I feel the numerous stupid mistakes that some refs make every week pale in comparison to the few obvious cases of bribery however. I can live with the former, NOT the latter.
    You’re right though, it isn’t anywhere near as much fun. That’s why, as stated earlier, you shouldn’t expect me to go away anytime soon.

  73. The Rural Juror says: Dec 1, 2009 10:05 AM

    With the Steelers’ cupcake schedule they should be 5-0 to finish the season.
    With their remnainbing schedule, If they don’t get to the playoffs, it’s because they really do stink.

  74. Deb says: Dec 1, 2009 11:01 AM

    @Soup to Nuts …
    Bribery … you ass. Now you’re doing the Majik Manson thing again. Having trouble getting a read on you, BC. Can’t tell if you’re actually crazy-stupid enough to believe that lunacy like he is, or if you’re simply a boy who loves stepping on anthills and watching the ants go wild.
    Yes, I’ve surmised that you’re not going away, much as I’ve wished it to be so. Well, I suppose you’re more tolerable than some–at least when you choose to be. Just don’t go doing that poor “you’re so hateful” wounded-puppy thing with me anymore. That was scarier than Hannibal. And don’t be stingy–share your bizarre notions with the Steeler men as well as the women. They just love a good conspiracy theory.
    Gee, what fun it would be if the Pack made it to the Super Bowl and the refs helped them win a championship. But they’d need so much help to get there, I guess it’s too much to hope for ;-)
    Clarice

  75. Beer Cheese Soup says: Dec 1, 2009 11:14 AM

    Deb says:
    Gee, what fun it would be if the Pack made it to the Super Bowl and the refs helped them win a championship. But they’d need so much help to get there, I guess it’s too much to hope for ;-)
    ____________________________________
    Ain’t that the truth. Packers suck this year, it’s been hard to watch. There isn’t enough money in the entire league to pay off enough refs for THAT to happen, let alone in a publicly owned team’s pockets.
    Although I’ll concede it is debatable how much influence Jeff Triplette and his team of high-velocity flag throwing lunatics had on our Dallas win. It wasn’t near as blatant as your games have been, but it certainly played a role.

  76. Deb says: Dec 1, 2009 11:30 AM

    Soup to Nuts …
    Since I’m not sure how to symbolically depict it, you’ll just have to imagine me sticking out my tongue at you.
    You do realize Dan Rooney, one of the most respected owners in sports (who, btw, has not had an active role in the family’s gambling interests for years, and who moved heaven and earth to make sure family members with gambling interests no long have interest in the Steelers) is one of the poorer owners, comparatively speaking. And the restructuring of the Steelers left him with little liquidity to spend on bribes. But don’t let facts get in the way of spinning your lovely cotton-candy fancies.
    This could go on all day, but I have work to do. Must leave you to spin alone. Can’t say it’s been fun. But it’s certainly been … interesting.
    Until next time, Hannibal.
    Clarice.

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