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Ochocinco wants a change of game plan

In Sunday’s win over the Cleveland Browns, the Cincinnati Bengals employed a ridiculously conservative game plan, running 45 times and limiting quarterback Carson Palmer to an almost exclusively short and safe passing attack.

That was the second consecutive week that the Bengals employed a run-first game plan, and Bengals wide receiver Chad Ochocinco says it’s time for the coaches to let he and his fellow receivers start to stretch the field.

I’m not going to let them treat us like that for three straight games,” Ochocinco said. “We won the game. We had a wonderful day on the ground. Bernard Scott and Larry Johnson played extremely well. I asked for us to run the ball. This basically solidifies us being able to run the ball right now. It helps us once we do get to the playoffs.”

According to Ochocinco, the Bengals are due for a big passing game on Sunday against the Detroit Lions.

“Now next week things are going to have to change,” Ochocinco said. “The roles need to be reversed. I’m speaking on behalf of myself and the receiving corps. We would like to throw the ball 50 times. I just want to relay that message.”

The good news for the Bengals is that they’re two-touchdown favorites against the Lions. But that might be bad news for Ochocinco if he wants Palmer to throw 50 times. Against the Lions, the Bengals might have another 45-carry game.

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  1. shinsnake says: Dec 1, 2009 10:38 AM

    You have to wonder if Florio’s anti-Chad sentiment has infected the rest of the staff here at PFT. Chad was joking, in fact, on his Twitter feed this morning he told some guy “child please” (in not so nice terms), about him not giving him enough fantasy points. Man, when Chad doesn’t blow up like PFT has been hoping for, y’all goin have to kiss da baby.

  2. goetta-head says: Dec 1, 2009 10:44 AM

    What receiver in the NFL doesnt want the ball thrown 50 times?

  3. Bill In DC says: Dec 1, 2009 10:51 AM

    LOL, pretty funny. Cowboys O gets critisized for ‘passing too much’ and the Cincy O gets it for ‘running too much’. I don’t think people are ever happy.
    If it is working for them, they should do it until their opponents make them stop.

  4. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Dec 1, 2009 10:51 AM

    I agree with Mr. Ochocinco.
    The Bengals have proven that they can run the ball, and run it effectively on anyone. But they need balance. Carson Palmer is too good to hand off that many times. Bratkowski at times seems inept. Bengals fans have dreaded his playcalling for years now, and the “revised” playbook looks strikingly like the old one. It’s a head scratcher. The Bengals had one of the most prolific passing attacks in the NFL a few years ago, with the same quarterback and the same number 1 receiver. Watching the Saints game last night, I though, why don’t the bengals sling it around a little more. They have the personnel for it. Its like watching Jim Tressel call the offense for the bengals.

  5. PolegoJim says: Dec 1, 2009 10:58 AM

    Shinsnake – His mouth and ego are SO big, I can’t see his talent.

  6. Frank Burns says: Dec 1, 2009 11:07 AM

    The Bengals have finally admitted what they secretly have known all along — Carson Palmer is a big-game choker who can’t be trusted to carry an offense. So they’ve resorted to the turtle offense, which has given them success — for now. The playoffs will be a different story though.
    For now though, the less faith they have in Palmer, the more they run. Get used to it.

  7. sdffa11 says: Dec 1, 2009 11:10 AM

    if brady quinn throws for 4 tds against the lions, why wouldnt you throw it 50 times if your carson palmer?

  8. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 11:15 AM

    As Brett Favre shits every morning,he studies big pictures of that kick ass D you guys say you got. When Deanna asked what he was doing he said ” Nothing much. Just another simple scheme to carve up!” Smack has begun. We want your over rated asses.

  9. Legend of Josh says: Dec 1, 2009 11:16 AM

    As a Bengals fan, it’s all about the W first and foremost. Sure, I’d love to see Palmer fling some 50+ yard bombs to 85 and company, but if we can jam the run down opposing team’s throats effectively, play it safe and conservatively if needed to get this team where it needs to be.
    The AFC North is not a lock just yet. Moreover, we should be playing for homefield advantage in the post season (even though I feel we’re a much better / more focused team on the road). I’d rather face the Pats or Bolts in Cincy VS away.
    Carson’s health needs to be upwards of 95-100% come playoff time. If we’re running the ball effectively, and we’re winning games by doing so, then keep running the damn football! We all know CP can go off for a 4-6 TD game, he doesn’t need to prove that… if we can run the ball like we’re doing now, that will make us twice as dangerous in the playoffs.
    I still feel a little uneasy about our special teams, but otherwise, I feel this team is geared to make a push for the SuperBowl… we play Minnesota in a few weeks… perhaps that’s a preview for the ‘big one’ at the end of the season.

  10. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Dec 1, 2009 11:21 AM

    @ Frank Burns
    I guess Palmer did “choke” in the 2005 playoffs when kimo destroyed his knee on the first play of the game. What a choke artist.
    5 td passes against the bears. how many did your precious big ben throw? oh, they lost that game, thats right. And then they lost to the bengals. and then they lost to the bengals again. and now they’re on a three game skid and you sign on to bash a two time probowl quarterback.
    go back to crying into your yellow towel and jayin’ it to a photo of big ben and ward hugging each other.

  11. DC_Bengals_Fan says: Dec 1, 2009 11:25 AM

    “if brady quinn throws for 4 tds against the lions, why wouldnt you throw it 50 times if your carson palmer?”
    Unlikely the Lions will employ the same defense. Against Cleveland, the Lions kept the safeties up – to stop the run or short passes, not sure – and the Cleveland WRs were able to get behind the safeties for easy scores.
    I’m guessing that the Lions will do what other teams have done to the Bengals, namely try to stop the running game with LBs and keep the safeties very deep. If that happens, we’ll keep seeing dink-n-dunk passing and a lot of running.

  12. Legend of Josh says: Dec 1, 2009 11:26 AM

    The Bengals have finally admitted what they secretly have known all along — Carson Palmer is a big-game choker who can’t be trusted to carry an offense. So they’ve resorted to the turtle offense, which has given them success — for now. The playoffs will be a different story though.
    For now though, the less faith they have in Palmer, the more they run. Get used to it.
    I’ll never fully understand the hate for Carson Palmer. “He’s so overrated!” … “he can’t run an offense” … “he’s a choker in big games!” … etc.
    Can I assume you’re a Steelers/Ravens fan?
    I wouldn’t rank CP anything less than # 4 … behind you know who.

  13. theroc5156 says: Dec 1, 2009 11:27 AM

    Hey Frank Burns:
    I will get used to the winning as well.

  14. goetta-head says: Dec 1, 2009 11:29 AM

    Frank Burns,
    How are the playoffs a different story? In fact our formula is the ONE that wins championships. Defense and running. And yea, Carson is a choke artist…right…juts ask the Steelers, Broncos, Ravens and Green Bays D. He throws when teams give us the opportunity to throw..a la Chicago, or a game winning 1-2 minute drill. Teams are so used to seeing us air it out they drop two safeties every play. Until they stop doing that, we wont stop running it down their throats. Now back to the sideline Frank….Burns

  15. Noah Botty says: Dec 1, 2009 11:31 AM

    Chad may have been joking and the Bengals may be winning but it still doesn’t change the fact that Bratkowski is a sorry excuse for an offensive coordinator. He had some success a few years back but then other teams figured him out and he never changed. That’s his biggest problem…he can’t make adjustments.

  16. BigBlackBoot says: Dec 1, 2009 11:40 AM

    Mike Florio is nothing but another jealousy white racist in the sports media who lead the average white guy non athlete down the road of black resentment because many white people hate seeing young black millionaires especially young black millionaires with a mouth. Believe me, the racist in Cincinnati sports media have been after Chad from the day the Bengals drafted him. It’s idiots like Mike Florio who make it hard for athletes to respect white media hacks who have never played sports before. There is a reason white people catch hell in the sports arena. It’s idiot racist like PFT>com and Mike KKK Florio

  17. shinsnake says: Dec 1, 2009 11:44 AM

    PolegoJim, I’m not sure what your inability to get past his mouth and ego has to do with my comment, but….alrighty then.
    PervyHarvin, you do realize the Bengals play the Vikings in two weeks right? I mean, 1, 2, it’s not that hard to count. You want the Bengals? You, personally, want the Bengals? I didn’t realize that Vikings players posted on PFT talking trash to Bengals fans. Not Bengals players, but their fans. But if the Vikings want the Bengals, they get them in two weeks. Not one, not three, but two. No trash you talk between now and then will make a bit of difference in the outcome of the game, but if it makes you feel good to pin your hopes and dreams on a game you have no control of and no idea how it will turn out, be my guest. I can’t say I’m going to partake in said idiocy, but I will enjoy every second you make a fool of yourself.

  18. shinsnake says: Dec 1, 2009 11:51 AM

    BigBlackBoot, yeah, like that racist Paul Daugherty who wrote Chad’s book? Or that racist Geoff Hobson who refuted Florio’s halftime story? Man, so much racism in Cincy. Perhaps, and this is a little out there, so bare with me, perhaps Chad got criticized last year by the media because he was a malcontent who sucked on the field and didn’t help his team in the least? What? Oh, that was whitey making him act like that? Damn whitey, the black man’s only problem in this world. Hell, Chris Henry wouldn’t have pulled out a gun and Larry Johnson wouldn’t have beat up that lady if the white man hadn’t forced their hands.
    Oh and another crazy theory that might just be a little too far out there for you to believe: maybe Florio rips on Chad because he’s a Steelers fan and hates the Bengals as well as their most recognized player. Hmmmph, I don’t know. That’s awful whacky!

  19. Frank Burns says: Dec 1, 2009 11:53 AM

    goetta-head says
    December 1, 2009 11:29 AM
    Frank Burns,
    How are the playoffs a different story? In fact our formula is the ONE that wins championships. Defense and running. And yea, Carson is a choke artist…right…juts ask the Steelers, Broncos, Ravens and Green Bays D. He throws when teams give us the opportunity to throw..a la Chicago, or a game winning 1-2 minute drill. Teams are so used to seeing us air it out they drop two safeties every play. Until they stop doing that, we wont stop running it down their throats. Now back to the sideline Frank….Burns
    Carson always has been a choker in the second halves of games vs. AFC playoff teams in a given year. Nor can Palmer carry a team himself — he’s a game-manager type QB being paid franchise money. It’s hilarious you fools can’t see this, and are actually giving me crap for what’s out there for all to see. You don’t like it, go complain to your team, they’re the ones making this public statement by switching to the kind of offense they’re running now.
    The Bengals realize Palmer’s limitations, and have shifted to a Cowher-type offense, where the run game and defense are emphasized over the QB. This is fine for the regular season, and can even result in division titles as I’ve seen. But when it’s used against the better teams in the playoffs, it usually keeps the team from going on to the Super Bowl. As I’ve seen.

  20. DanSnyderSux says: Dec 1, 2009 11:58 AM

    This is why I hate this guy. He’s putting his stats and ego ahead of the football team. The Bengals have finally found a system that works for them and would allow them to make some noise in the AFC and Ocho-Stinko is trying to sabotage it because he’s not getting his. Just wait. When the post-season comes along, his selfishness is going to cost the team.

  21. Frank Burns says: Dec 1, 2009 11:59 AM

    P.S. Palmer’s ratings the last 3 games: 76. 8, 75.4 and 80.2 (and this with outstanding run support). Ooh I can see why you Bengals fans think he’s top notch!
    Those numbers in fact suck, yet the Bengals are still winning. Meaning he doesn’t matter, meaning the Bengals have finally broken free of the overrated QB they have. These are the numbers, the facts, go ahead and whine and try to argue, what they won’t change.
    Seriously, you’re gonna tell me that Fitzpatrick guy (or whatever his name was) you had last year couldn’t be putting up the same numbers or better? Palmer is quite simply overrated. You wanna buy the hype the TV hucksters are selling, fine. But facts are facts.

  22. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 12:06 PM

    @ shinsnake- Don’t be a douche. What the hell is PFT for?? Fans to talk smack and exchange football info. I just said you were the only decent Bengal fan cuz you talked ball,not soap opera shit. don’ make me change my mind!

  23. shinsnake says: Dec 1, 2009 12:09 PM

    DanSnyderSux, again, I would warn you against reading this article straight up. Chad was joking about the game plan needing to change. It was said in jest, as a joke, i.e. not real, in other words, he’s not causing a fuss. You should really consider the source of the article before you pass judgment. PFT, trying to start drama again with their favorite target, manufactured Chad’s sentiment of requiring change.
    Despite Frank Burns’ ignorance and dearth of intelligence, Palmer has been somewhat off this year. But man, when he’s on, he’s on fire. He was zipping balls around in that Baltimore game like he was running 7 on 7 drills. It was even more impressive than his rating number. Hopefully he can turn it on when he needs to again, like in that Baltimore game. It’s funny to read the words of an idiot though, considering Palmer’s drive against Denver, the second half against Green Bay, the final drives against Pittsburgh and Baltimore and then the rematch in Baltimore where he was phenomenal. Yeah, I’d put JT O’Sullivan in that situation and come up with the same results, I’m sure. [/sarcasm]

  24. eeerockski says: Dec 1, 2009 12:12 PM

    Did u really just say solid defense and a stout running game are a recipe for disaster? Get a clue man!

  25. shinsnake says: Dec 1, 2009 12:20 PM

    Pervy, I’m not being a douche, I’m merely pointing out that you are posting these stupid rants about things that haven’t happened and may never happen to a bunch of people who have as much to do with the game as you do. Trash talking between fans is the equivalent of two people talking trash about the weather. Yeah, well come on down to Cincy and our nice fall day we’re having will blow up your crappy sub-30 temps! Wanna bet??? It’s meaningless drivel. If you would have come in and said, they may be a good defense, but I think they’ll have trouble containing the Vikings offense, then you would have still stated your opinion without talking trash. But since you decided that trash talking is what you wanted to do, you will get rightly ridiculed for it, as most people do at PFT.
    Mostly, I’m just worried about your mental health. I mean, are you going to be okay if the Vikings lose? What if they lose big time? Do you have a friend who can stay the night with you, make sure you’re safe, bake you cookies and tuck you in to bed? Seriously though, it’s just a game that happens in two weeks, nothing more, nothing less. You don’t know what will happen and either do I. So what’s to be gained in talking smack to another team’s fans?

  26. CurseofBoJackson says: Dec 1, 2009 12:20 PM

    Oh Frank, three games of ratings does not an opinion make, unless you’re you I guess. Palmer has looked great in games when Brat’s playcalling allows for it.
    Pervy, bring it, simple doesn’y begin to describe the D, but even if it was, it’s still a pretty damn good D buddy, 1st in points allowed and 3rd in yards allowed speaks for itself. You better hope AP is top notch, Bengals have a knack for making Farve look ridiculous (save or his coming out game against us). And we’ll see how great Vikings D line is when Jared Allen is getting manhandled by Bitch Tits and Whitworth. Ced’s gonna bury your team and have a better game than AP, mark it.

  27. goetta-head says: Dec 1, 2009 12:32 PM

    Hold on to your passer ratings lol.
    Just check the W column. You are a sad little man. Palmer is one of the best at reading coverages and defenses. You think he is overrated? That is your prerogative. Truth of the matter is that he wins games. How can you say that running and D doesnt matter in the playoffs…that is exactly when it does! You should know being a steeler fan! Palmer is accurate and has a cannon for an arm. If Palmer was to leave I think almost every HC/GM/Owner in the NFL would take him, for as much as we paid for him. You are just mad bc your QB is the one that is overrated. We showed that just a few weeks ago, or wait…he didnt ‘feel’ right that game…thats right. at least Carson owns it

  28. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Dec 1, 2009 12:32 PM

    Roethlisberger’s best season looks like this:
    264/404 = 65.3% for 3,154yrds 32 td’s 11 ints
    the next year he threw 17tds 15ints for 3,301yds
    Palmer’s best season looks like this:
    345/509=67.8% for 3,836yrds 32 td’s 12ints
    the next year he threw 28tds 13ints for 4,035yds
    in fewer games, palmer has the same completion percentage as ben, more yards, more tds and fewer picks.
    cue the argument about championship rings.
    is trent dilfer better than dan marino?
    is brad johnson equal to peyton manning?
    ben has the second lowest qb rating among superbowl qbs and the lowest rating for winning superbowl qbs. he, dilfer, and johnson show that “game managing” wins lombardi’s

  29. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 12:41 PM

    @ shinsnake – You should be a comedian.This site is full of trash talk,maybe not in the Kittys threads. Visit the NFC North once. Guys like you couldn’t hang. Don’t worry about my mental health son, I’m a Mensa guy . Not mad like Poe either. Football is the only sport I like besides boxing and MMA. Baseball,bb,and such bore me. That’s why I’m a passionate fan.
    Don’t worry about me getting tucked in mate,always a pretty girl willing to do that. That you can bet on!

  30. goetta-head says: Dec 1, 2009 12:42 PM

    Safe to say that the Bengals Vikings game is going to be a great one.

  31. CurseofBoJackson says: Dec 1, 2009 12:55 PM

    C’mon Pervy, I gave you something to respond to about football, but instead you chose to be a hypocrite and respond to Shinsnake’s personal comments, which you referred to as what? Dawson’s Creek drama? Something like that? right? Like I said, AP better be TOP notch, and Vikes STILL might get beat.

  32. Legend of Josh says: Dec 1, 2009 1:07 PM

    This Frank Burns guy is talking about passer ratings of opposing team’s QBs while we’re sitting comfortably atop the AFC North at 8-3 while his lackluster Steelers have lost 3 straight couldn’t-be-more-important games. Even if you run the table and finish 11-5 (which isn’t happening) you’ll still be behind Carson Palmer’s Bengals at 12-4.
    Honestly, I wouldn’t be shocked if your team finishes 8-8 on the season, winning their next two (Raiders/Browns) before falling 3 straight yet again to the likes of Packers/Ravens/Dolphins.
    I’m still trying to figure out this guy’s vendetta against CP. It’s rather pathetic, an obsession maybe? [thinks of Mariah Carey’s ‘boy, why you so obsessed wtih me!’)

  33. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 1:14 PM

    Sorry CurseofBo- LOL these bleeding hearts put me off focus for a center. Be glad to duke it out with you!!
    As far as making Favre look bad,simple answer. Was he playing on the Vikings? No. Irrelevant. Our line moves housee,will protect him. You do know he has thrown his ass off with 3 picks don’t you?? Did you watch the Saints? We are every bit that lethal on offense. You bet AD will be lathered up. He is due for a huge game. CED??LOL Our d line will bury that lil fool. Wasn’t he a Bear?? lol We killed him.
    Go ahead,double Allen.Everyone does.Then the Williams boys will get you. Pick yo poison Bo? Stop AD or let Favre carve you up with Rice,Harvin,Shiancoe and Berrian.Oh,and Taylor. Hope you have a dback that can jump 50 ft up. Rice is a tall kangaroo in a mans body.CANT BE BEAT ONE ON ONE.
    Dude,respectyour homer view,but you bringing a knife to a gunfight.

  34. CurseofBoJackson says: Dec 1, 2009 1:54 PM

    Yea yea, I can name threats too, Chad, a wicked three headed monster on the ground and really, Leonard is a third down to first down machine, so for the sake of argument I’ll call it the four headed monster. Caldwell is money over the middle and in the clutch, and you know who else is pretty good in the clutch (although you’d think people have pretty short memories around here)? CP.
    Steelers and Ravens thought they’d bury Ced too (twice), how’d that work out for ’em?
    Bengals D has shut down some pretty tough Wr’s too man, Driver, Jennings, Ward, Holmes, Mason, Clayton, Marshall.
    And, no, Farve didn’t play for the Vikings, but he played for some pretty damn good teams in GB, you need to hope he doesn’t get pressured, otherwise you’re staring at a three plus pick game, Hall and Joseph are ridiculous, and that sixth rounder from Michigan? He’s pretty good too. Knife to a gunfight, right.

  35. CincyAllDaWay says: Dec 1, 2009 1:57 PM

    First things first…
    Franks Burns… can suck it…the same one that that pussy QB of yours is sucking and you both can clean up with your pathetic (formerly known as terrible) towels. I know that ass is still stinging from getting spanked X2 but that’s no excuse for being a Shitzburg Punk! Take it like a man and move on. You ain’t going to the playoffs anyway!
    Percy…..You guys couldn’t beat Cincy on your best day, as evidenced in your games against the other AFC North champs. AP couldn’t carry Bensons jock. He’ll be luck to get 30 yards againt our defense. And that Geratol eating Farve will cough up at least 3 to 4 picks after he picks his own ass up off the ground a few times! You guys are by far the MOST over rated team in the NFL right now. You’ve only played 2 decent teams in PITT and BALT. You lost 1 and had the other handed to you. Farve was on the sideline getting ready to write his next retirement speak just before BALT shanked that field goal. You guys are going down Dude!!

  36. BigBlackBoot says: Dec 1, 2009 1:57 PM

    Hey Shinsnake, maybe you need to get a freaking clue so you would know what the hell you are talking about. First, the reason the Bengals werent any good last year is because they lost their Pro Bowl Qb Carson palmer. Two, i dont know if you know it or not but the white man other than the media were they dont play sports doesnt have a damn thing to do with the actual play on the feild. So there goes your theory about the “white man running things”. This is the reality of the sports world so take your little whitea$$ to the bench. Three, the only reason the media jumped Chad crap was because the Cincinnati media (especially sports talk radio ) in racist as hell in Cincinnati and everybody knows it but you apparently. The sports talk radio host work for the same station that host the biggest racist in Cincinnati W. Cunningham. Forth, Geoff Hobson was never mentioned bcause the players and the communty knows that Geoff Hobson doesnt play the “white man resentment of rich black athletes card” that play so well in Ultra-Conservative, backwater, my three sons Cincinnati. maybe you arent from Cincinati but it obvious you dont know what the hell you are talking about. Kinda like your “white man made Chad do it comment”.. I didnt know the white man was dominate in pro sports other than talking about what real athletes do on the pro sports feild. I’ll give you that, white guys rule the pro sports media world. WOO Hoo

  37. goetta-head says: Dec 1, 2009 1:58 PM

    Yea thats IF Favre makes it to the game without getting hurt. remember that dude is old and the season is looooong. And no he wasnt on the Vikings when he played us last… he was on the Packers the year they went to the AFC championship game. Pride cometh before the fall my friend. If you had trouble with the Steelers and Ravens why dont you think you will have trouble with the Bengals?

  38. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 2:27 PM

    CincyAllDaWay says:
    December 1, 2009 1:57 PM
    Percy…..You guys couldn’t beat Cincy on your best day, as evidenced in your games against the other AFC North champs. AP couldn’t carry Bensons jock. He’ll be luck to get 30 yards againt our defense. And that Geratol eating Farve will cough up at least 3 to 4 picks after he picks his own ass up off the ground a few times! You guys are by far the MOST over rated team in the NFL right now.
    Dude,I got to thank. I’m still choking on my lunch!! Thats the funniest shit on PFT ever!! Do you write for Happy Madison Productions?You should! AD cant carry Bensons jock ?LMAO 3 to 4 picks with 3 ALL SEASON LMAO In our house?? Thanks man,I wasn’t too excited about playing losers like you but now I am. I want to kick the shit out of you now,has meaning now! THANKYOU!!!

  39. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 2:32 PM


  40. Frank Burns says: Dec 1, 2009 2:33 PM

    Legend of Josh says:
    December 1, 2009 1:07 PM
    This Frank Burns guy is talking about passer ratings of opposing team’s QBs while we’re sitting comfortably atop the AFC North at 8-3 while his lackluster Steelers have lost 3 straight couldn’t-be-more-important games. Even if you run the table and finish 11-5 (which isn’t happening) you’ll still be behind Carson Palmer’s Bengals at 12-4.
    We’re not talking about the Steelers here, but nice try. You want to do that, plenty of other threads.
    It’s not even about numbers — it’s about philosophy. You don’t run what the Bengals are running when you have a true franchise QB. You run things around the QB. The Bengals tried doing that Palmer’s first few seasons, and it failed. Now they’ve de-emphaszied the QB and guess what — having their best season since Boomer and Icky. (I’ll be glad to explain who those guys were to you younger fans.) That’s why I have to laugh at all the emotional responses — it’s your own team who’s telling you what they think of Palmer as a QB. Like I said, you got a prob with that, take it up with them.

  41. Frank Burns says: Dec 1, 2009 2:39 PM

    And while we’re at it — how many big games has the player formerly known as Chad Johnson stepped up in? I know for a fact against the Steelers he never has. TJ Housh and Chris Henry have made big plays while #85 gets shut down like a scared puppy by Ike Taylor. Game after game after game.
    Maybe Chad should look at his and his QB’s play as the reasons the guy in charge is calling the plays the way he has.

  42. goetta-head says: Dec 1, 2009 2:46 PM

    Seriously Frank,
    His first few seasons…like 05? You are blind. So is your team…which is why they lost…twice

  43. goetta-head says: Dec 1, 2009 2:49 PM

    And Frank,
    Did you ever stop to consider that we take what defenses give us? And that is because everyone knows we can throw it over your head anytime given the chance. Every team has two dropped safeties every game. Because of that = we run. Maybe your team should start doing that instead of relying on Big Ben to save the day. As soon as they start playing the run more we will pass more. bet on it.

  44. tigeralum99 says: Dec 1, 2009 3:28 PM

    Bengals beat the Vikes….
    You heard it here first.

  45. blester01 says: Dec 1, 2009 3:30 PM

    Seriously, this thread has turned retarded. Talking trash is for morons; they dish that stuff up since they don’t know facts or the real game. Just ignore it people.
    Here are my two cents:
    1. Palmer is not the same Carson from 2005. After his knee injury his OL went to hell the following seasons and the running game went with it. This caused him to start forcing his throws since he was getting pummeled and not comfortable in the pocket (ala Cutler). In addition he was not stepping into throws since he was protecting his knee- his throws would constantly sail. Pull out the stat books and fact check this: I bet in ’06 & ’07 his completion percentage and QB rating dropped from ’05. In ’08, he burns out his elbow from throwing too much and the bad throwing technique which he acquired from his issues. This year is a rehab year for him to get his mojo back- like it or not. If he does not get his confidence/ technique back for next season, he will not be the star that once was.
    2. Bratkowski does not have the mental ability to out-scheme any defensive coordinator in the league. Like Tressel playing the SEC, he will never outsmart the opponent nor can he dramatically adjust at halftime. He is good enough to get the wins, but I don’t think he is good enough to win the ones that count. Whenever I read him talk about the cover 2, it is as if no one has ever successfully thrown deep on the coverage scheme. If I remember correctly the Lions scored on a 50 yard plus pass against the Browns- the next week Brat is to scared to even attempt one. I think they are going to throw on the Lions, at least they should, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t.
    3. Comparing Palmer to Ben is like apples and oranges the past couple of years. Ben should have the better stats since he has had the luxury of having a solid specialists around him, and a line that was able to dominate the line of scrimmage most of the time. Palmer has not had this support except for the 2005. If I had to choose between the two right now, I would take Ben b/c he can make things happen when the pocket collapses, but I would take the 2005 Palmer for pure passing ability. If Palmer can get himself back to his old self, then he will put up numbers again next year.

  46. CurseofBoJackson says: Dec 1, 2009 4:15 PM

    Dude, this is a pro football comment site, don’t get all high horse and say trash talking is for losers, that’s what this forum is for dude! Yes, it is for sharing thoughts and observations and opinions, but don’t belittle other people’s idea of fun….. Unless it’s some douche rooting for an injury……
    Frank, give it a rest, all the insults and claims of players not being clutch will not reverse the spin of the earth so you can go back and hope for different outcomes on 9/27 and 11/15. Palmer is a better QB than you’re giving him credit for, he’s been money when he’s needed to be.
    To whoever said we sucked last year because we didn’t have CP, we sucked last year because we didn’t have CP, we had NO O line, remember Giachuc (Sp?)? I do, we had no running game either, remember Chris Perry and Kenny Watson? We couldn’t stay on the field on third down. Your statement is missing a lot.
    Pervy, dude, you get all over people who “don’t talk football,” and bring “drama” but then you refer to folks as losers? Well, let me tell you something my ex-con-punching bag friend, you were lucky to escape the Baltimore game, and the Bengals are significantly better than the Ravens, now repeat, and insert Steelers for Ravens. All the weapons in the world don’t make the Vikings as dangerous as NO when they get beat by Pitt and barely beat B-more.

  47. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 4:25 PM

    @ CurseofBoJackson – Lil tools that got picked on their whole life don’t understand the concept of trash talking. They want everything civil and laid out like their socks and underwear in the morning.
    blestero1- I spit fire and know Viking stats back to 65. don’t knock what you can’t do!

  48. goetta-head says: Dec 1, 2009 4:27 PM

    5 of last 6 teams to sweep their division advance to the Super Bowl
    Teams that swept their division since 1998
    2009 Bengals AFC North 6-0/8-3
    *2008 Cardinals NFC West 6-0/9-7
    *2008 Steelers AFC North 6-0 12-4
    *2007 Patriots AFC East 6-0/16-0
    2005 Colts AFC South 6-0/14-2
    *2005 Seahawks NFC West 6-0/13-3
    *2004 Eagles NFC East 6-0/13-3
    2002 Steelers AFC North 6-0/10-5
    2002 Titans AFC South 6-0/11-5
    *1999 Rams NFC West 8-0/13-3
    *1998 Broncos AFC West 8-0/14-2
    1998 Cowboys NFC East 8-0/10-6
    *Reached Super Bowl

  49. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 5:05 PM

    @ BoJackson- Ex-con punching bag? You are as big a tool as the LMN thread fans! Great career,no police record. Am loved in MN by boxing fans. Want to come to Viking threads and call me out,many of my Viking brothers will show you the truth. Now,if you would like to talk smack like civil dudes,we can do that too.
    I would put my house up on the Vikings beating Bengals. We get way better every week. That is something your team doesn’t do. You know it too! Like some fool saying AD can’t carry Bensons jock!@ That is lame take and anyone knows it. When Benson was a Bear we murdered him.Like we do all rb’s. You will see,thanks for making this game mean something now.Before it was like trying to get up for the Lions.

  50. blester01 says: Dec 1, 2009 7:10 PM

    @ Pervy: You are correct, the Bengals face a huge hill battle in beating the Vikings, and there is a good chance they will lose. The Bengals have never played well up in your dome, and I think the Vikings match up real well against the Bengals weaknesses. But it should be a tougher game than you are smacking- the Viking stats and scores almost mirror ours to comparable opponents.
    I love the logic that since the Vikings stopped Benson when he was a Bear (murdered is how I think you put it), they will stop him as a Bengal. That is very deep deductive smack talk, but at a 4th grad level of reasoning. I would love to take your house from you next weekend, but judging from your posts it looks as if the Countrywide may have beat me to it. Zing!

  51. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 8:24 PM

    @ blestero zero – We shall see punk. See you in the Viking threads game week? doubt it. Dude,feel free to live in my guesthouse. On Sylvia Lake. You couldn’t afford the taxes chump! Your team has ZERO chance. Raiders told me so!

  52. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 8:40 PM

    lol Love how real life sissies like you gayrero01 love to hide at home and ridicule real men. lol humors me really ZING!(how damn gay dude,that tipped me off!LOL)

  53. CincyAllDaWay says: Dec 1, 2009 11:03 PM

    PervertHarvin………I see your still here trying to talk smack on your punk ass Vikes and still telling those bullshit lies about being a successfull boxer, LMFAO. Tell the truth loser. Your 36, live at home with your parents, no job or hopes of having one. The only thing you got is a bullshit team who’s only played to creditable teams. Now I will eat crow over the Raiders game. That should never have happened thats for sure. But this is the NFL chump and teams do have an off game from time to time. I guess you could use your showing against the Steelers and Ravens. The difference is we lost and took it like men and moved on to the next one. You punks lost and have pissed, moaned, and cried and blamed everything on the refs. If that pussy QB of yours had made a tackle when he had the chance you guys might have been in that game. It looked like he was trying to jerk him off instead of trying to stop him. Typical purple punk losers. Now go on to bed like a good little boy before mommy wakes up and catches you on her computer again. Get a job loser and get out of the house!

  54. CurseofBoJackson says: Dec 2, 2009 2:54 PM

    Pervy, don’t get all bent out of shape, I was just pointing out your hypocrisy about bringing “drama.” No hard feelings, doesn’t matter to me who you are, we’ll never meet. Benson is a diff back here with a better team and a better D and a better QB/O line, so that comparison is moot.
    Keep telling yourself that you thought it was like preparing for DET before we started trading jabs (see how I did that?), this team has been good all year, as have the Vikings, so stop fronting, there’s no future in it for you. Ha ha, I love that song, MC Breed was the Sh*t.

  55. TheBengal13 says: Dec 2, 2009 3:15 PM

    Frank Burns is an idiot who punches babies.

  56. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 6:56 PM

    @shaunypoo – Bill Gates lol nothin like that son
    CurseofBoJackson- My steeler bud Deb tells me you cool,so I will believe her.Right,like we’ll meet. Some Cincy fans stone idiots though,attack for shit that isn’t real. We will see game day. Fronting? lol Don’t know shit about that bro.

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