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Saints, Vikings can clinch divisions in Week 13

On Sunday, the Indianapolis Colts became the first team to nail down a berth in the 2009 postseason, winning the AFC South a year after the Titans took the division.  This weekend, two more teams can join them.

Per playoff scenarios announced by the league, the Saints will win the NFC South with a win or a tie against the Redskins, or a loss or a tie by the Falcons against the Eagles.

Also, the Vikings will win the NFC North with a win over the Cardinals on Sunday night, and a Packers loss to the Ravens on Monday night.

A win is enough to secure a spot in the playoff field for Minnesota.  They also can get in with a tie, if the Giants loss and the Falcons lose or tie.

The Colts can lock up a first-round bye via a win over the Titans combined with:  (1) a Denver loss or tie against the Chiefs; (2) a Patriots loss or tie against the Dolphins; and (3) a Bengals loss to the Lions.

But a first-round bye is not always a good thing.  As pointed out in the Week 12 Morning Aftermath, AFC teams that secured bye weeks since 2005 are 3-5 in the divisional round.

The Colts have played in three of those games; in each one, the team that had a bye lost.

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83 Responses to “Saints, Vikings can clinch divisions in Week 13”
  1. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 1, 2009 12:16 PM

    Is there something different with the Saints uniforms? They look darker but they have always been black.

  2. Dan says: Dec 1, 2009 12:18 PM

    And the Patriots can clinch in week 14. So what LOL

  3. Nevisyakker says: Dec 1, 2009 12:22 PM

    “But a first-round bye is not always a good thing.”
    Actually, it is. The only problem is that you are going to be facing what is often a team that is at its “hottest” after a first round win. There isn’t a team in the league that won’t take the extra week of rest to heal up and to better prepare for the team that is coming to them. By the way, a first round bye also means that you are going to host that game at least.
    All in all, you’d fight like crazy for the first round bye. It doesn’t guarantee a win, but it can’t hurt either.

  4. SgtSigma says: Dec 1, 2009 12:22 PM

    These three teams are obviously in the playoffs, the only interesting race will be both of the wild cards and homefield in the NFC.

  5. moperyman says: Dec 1, 2009 12:26 PM

    This article implies that the only team that could challenge the Colts for #1 seed in the AFC are the Chargers. Im not saying it will happen, but with the colts remaining schedule coupled with how they are playing it seems very unlikely but still possible. One thing that is for sure however the game on Dec 20th Bengals at Chargers will go a long way in determining the number two seed barring a breakdown from either team. With the patriots loss to the Saints last night, the battle for the first round bye became simpler in the AFC.

  6. bear0402 says: Dec 1, 2009 12:41 PM

    Last time I checked, the Vikings (11 – 1) had a 3 game lead and they own the tie-breaker because they have beaten Green Bay (7 – 4) twice this season.
    The three game lead, plus the tie breaker would give the Vikings a 4 game lead for the division.
    Shouldn’t you say that with a Vikings win OR a Packers loss and the Vikings will win the NFC Central.

  7. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 1, 2009 12:45 PM

    There is no denying after last night who the best team in the NFL is. The Vikings might keep it close for awhile but the Saints will just be too much. Brees for MVP for sure.

  8. SlipperyPete says: Dec 1, 2009 12:55 PM

    Vikings blow.

  9. Contra says: Dec 1, 2009 1:04 PM

    @ Slippery Pete
    Really…at 11-1 the Vikings blow? Please explain…

  10. Fan_Of_ Four says: Dec 1, 2009 1:11 PM

    Mr. Burgess
    Do you remember not so long ago that the Patriots were considered the best Team in the NFL after going 15-1 ? Look what happened to them in the playoffs.
    Hell look at last year when the Cards got hot and made it all the way to the Super Bowl. I’m not saying the Saints aren’t a good Football Team but I wouldn’t count the Vikings out just yet.
    Favre & Brees Co MVP’s

  11. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 1:16 PM

    SlipperyPete says:
    December 1, 2009 12:55 PM
    Vikings blow.
    ===================================
    Spoken like a true jealous lil bitch!

  12. Lethal Dosage says: Dec 1, 2009 1:16 PM

    Last night proved nothing except the Patriots defense is not what it was five years ago. It’s way too young and way too old, all at the same time.
    Wait till they go against the best defensive line in the league, and cornerbacks and linebackers who can actually make tackles.

  13. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 1, 2009 1:16 PM

    I don’t know about blow but they are going to have a tough time with our Saints.

  14. Chickenfoot says: Dec 1, 2009 1:21 PM

    Looking through a crystal ball I see there……
    Never mind, i won’t out you for who you really are.

  15. MajorLoser says: Dec 1, 2009 1:21 PM

    @bear0402
    Vikings are 10-1 not 11-1 so I think that would skew the math, also there is no such thing as the NFC central. I always thought it was weird the bucs were in that division anyways.
    @slippery pete
    Unless your a steeeler fan the vikings probably already beat your favorite team. That sucks…

  16. Vince says: Dec 1, 2009 1:21 PM

    Slippery Pete.. real bitter arent you? Poor kid, wanna cookie?
    Go Vikes

  17. mixman34 says: Dec 1, 2009 1:29 PM

    “SlipperyPete says: December 1, 2009 12:55 PM
    Vikings blow.”
    HAHAHHAHA totally dude… 10-1 is so easy to achieve in the NFL. They must really suck something fierce. Not to mention doing so via Continuous blowout wins. Ill tell you what… it sure is nice waking up Sunday mornings knowing the Vikes blow so bad they’ll win the game. That is nice.

  18. LBPACKFAN says: Dec 1, 2009 1:39 PM

    slipperypete -
    Vikings are a damn good team…my opinion best in NFC.
    It’s their crappy fans that blow.

  19. scomibord says: Dec 1, 2009 1:41 PM

    # PervyHarvin says: December 1, 2009 1:16 PM
    SlipperyPete says:
    December 1, 2009 12:55 PM
    Vikings blow.
    ===================================
    Spoken like a true jealous lil bitch!
    iF THAT AIN’T THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE….You know what I’m talkin about. Jealous because you let the Steelers whip dat ass…I Love it. Drew Brees MVP!!!

  20. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 1:41 PM

    Eric Dickerson- First four seasons: 13,14,10,12
    Walter Payton- seasons of 9,10,11
    JimBrown-seasons of 9 twice and 7 twice
    Franco Harris-10twice,9twice,8twice,11
    Those numbers are fumbles in a season. Don’t panic about AD. Hard ass runners tend to fumble,part of the bad ass style. Hopefully like Walter,he will get it worked out.

  21. GBISFULLOFFATTIES says: Dec 1, 2009 1:50 PM

    LBPACKFAN says:
    December 1, 2009 1:39 PM
    slipperypete -
    Vikings are a damn good team…my opinion best in NFC.
    It’s their crappy fans that blow.
    ******************************************
    As a Vikings fan I find this funny, lol!
    The NFC should come down to the Saints and Vikes. Who get’s home field is yet and far away from being determined but whom ever wins home field advantage, should win the NFC. I would hate for the aint’s to have it cuz they play one hell of a game at the Superdome. YIKES!
    SKOL VIKES!
    PS: To those who think Favre will collapse, need to get a new excuse…

  22. Emoney says: Dec 1, 2009 1:53 PM

    Nice to see Viking fans coming out of the closet, now that they have a team to root for.
    Though I think the Saints have the upper hand on the Vikings, I do think it will be one hell of a game. The difference is turnovers. The Saints create them more than the Vikings do.
    Your purple jesus needs to learn to hold onto the ball.

  23. shabadoooo says: Dec 1, 2009 1:59 PM

    LBPACKFAN
    did you know a packer fan stabbed a viking fan after the monday night game?
    Viking fan: packers suck
    Packer fan: stabs viking fan.
    and how about the brett favre funeral in green bay?
    i’m just saying. i’m just saying

  24. jx4cmario1 says: Dec 1, 2009 2:09 PM

    Bow down. The fact that anyone takes time to comment on here how terrible they are or calls us fans idiots, fair weathered, non-loyal, or any other idiotic statement merely proves their jealousy.
    And you all saw Maroney have success against that powder puff run D, imagine what Adrian would do….Brees had aaaall day to sit back and pick apart the Pats’ shitty secondary, #69 would have him runnin for his life. Also, Ced and Antoione would not have allowed that dropped coverage on Hendersons long TD….Vikes win a good game when and if they play.

  25. Nevisyakker says: Dec 1, 2009 2:09 PM

    Yeah LBPACKFAN, some of the Vikings fans blow…and then there is Bob Nelson speaking for the Pack and he blows, chugs, swallows, gulps, and says “Please sir, may I have another?”
    We all have those we would just as soon get off our side.
    As for the football teams, our Vikings were pretty fortunate to play the Pack when they did because right now the Pack are on the short list of teams that no one wants to play.
    Could we see the green & gold back at the dome in January? That would get all the suck&blow fans screaming at once!

  26. Anarcho Purplism says: Dec 1, 2009 2:10 PM

    I think just about any fan wants to see Vikes vs. Saints. Fans of both teams clearly want the homefield advantage (GO FALCONS!)
    The Saints destroyed last night. Drew Brees showed why he is 1 of the MVP front-runners.
    If the Vikes meet the Saints, that’ll be a barn-burner. Couple reasons why I think the Vikes matchup better to the Saints, than the Pats:
    1. Run game. We’ve got a good run game and the Saints are a bit soft vs. the run. Maroney almost looked like a pro-bowler last night.
    2. QB that torches you with pressure. Favre has an upper hand on Brady here.
    3. Vikes D is better than the Pats: d-line check, secondary check…..linebackers? push?

  27. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 2:19 PM

    scomibord says:
    December 1, 2009 1:41 PM
    iF THAT AIN’T THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE….You know what I’m talkin about. Jealous because you let the Steelers whip dat ass…I Love it. Drew Brees MVP!!!
    ===================================
    Steelers got a gift,lets see them play the Vikes now. What are you anyway? A Steeler fag or a Cagun retard.? Get on your airboat Bobby Boucher and go fetch me some high quality H2O Bitch!

  28. mixman34 says: Dec 1, 2009 2:23 PM

    I dont blame ya’ll for saying Vikings fans suck. I’d get annoyed too if a team continuously beotched my squad and then had to listen their fanbase boast. I forgive you… the Vikings are F*CKING AWESOME! And we’ll continue to tell you so.

  29. purpleguy says: Dec 1, 2009 2:24 PM

    If the Vikes get home field over the Saints in the playoffs (unlikely), their chances are much better. If not, getting to the Super Bowl through the Superdome, or whatever it’s called, will be pretty damn tough. You gotta admit that is the game everyone will want to see.

  30. mixman34 says: Dec 1, 2009 2:25 PM

    My favorite is the dude that said the Steelers “whipped dat ass”. Last I saw the vikings were driving for the go ahead touchdown as the game wound down. We got beat, but I’m curious what exactly constitutes an ass whooping? Getting barely beat?!

  31. SaintsBaby says: Dec 1, 2009 2:28 PM

    Superdome, Metrodome, it does not matter. Brees is a surgeon. There is no defense for a perfectly thrown pass. If you get to him with a good pass rush the ball will already be completed to the hot route by the time he is touched. In the Pats game the recievers were covered well except for that gift wrapped td. He threw them open. They were on their heels all night. Brees for MVP!

  32. zeakman says: Dec 1, 2009 2:36 PM

    As a huge Vikes fan, I don’t want home field advantage, we don’t have the best record when it comes to pressure. Let the Saints deal with it and the expectation of going to the super bowl. Plus, if the Pack make the playoffs and advance, they will likely be the lowest seed and would have to play the Saints. As much as we dominated them this year I simply do not want to give them another opportunity. Just secure the #2 spot and hope, not expect.
    By the way I don’t think the Pack will make it, really tough schedule from here out.

  33. SaintsBaby says: Dec 1, 2009 2:41 PM

    Steelers got a gift,lets see them play the Vikes now. @PervyHarvin
    Do over, do over! We weren’t ready!

  34. Nevisyakker says: Dec 1, 2009 2:45 PM

    Hey SaintsBaby, there is one defense for the perfectly passing game and that is to rush the crap out of them with the front four while playing the nickel to cover the short zones. Hit Brees or any other QB hard and often and the next thing you know the “surgical” passing attack falls apart.

  35. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 2:45 PM

    SaintsBaby says:
    December 1, 2009 2:28 PM
    Superdome, Metrodome, it does not matter. Brees is a surgeon. There is no defense for a perfectly thrown pass. If you get to him with a good pass rush the ball will already be completed to the hot route by the time he is touched. In the Pats game the recievers were covered well except for that gift wrapped td. He threw them open. They were on their heels all night. Brees for MVP!
    ===================================
    Brees: 236 of 343 68.8% com. 27td 9 int
    Favre: 248 of 358 69.3% com. 24-3
    I don’t know dude,think if it was my money,I’d hire Favre to be my surgeon. You Saints are nervous. You said if get to him.You know we will,and often. You guys can’t stop AD,hell Maroney could have got 200 if fed all night.
    Keep talkin under size D, are O line is Huge son.

  36. LBPACKFAN says: Dec 1, 2009 2:55 PM

    This feels like 1998 again being in Minnesota…although this time the Vikes are the #2 team and not #1. Should be interesting down the home stretch.

  37. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 3:11 PM

    @ Saints Baby- You are correct. New qb with the system. We were gelling. Now,lol Bring it.

  38. lskynard87 says: Dec 1, 2009 3:12 PM

    Zeakman, I agree.
    Our team runs on hope not expectations.
    Saints/Vikings is obviously the hot topic, but the SB contender for the NFC is usually the one coming out of nowhere.
    Cards, Giants, Bears, Seahawks.. all good teams but not sure many people expected them.
    Regardless, the Vikes Saints would be a good matchup in that I see it as follows;
    Saints D vs Vikes RB’s – Peterson is way too physical and Taylor is way too consistent. Maroney proved last night all you gotta do is lower your shoulder to get a first down; AP wins 99/100 times.
    Brees vs Vikes DB’s – It was well showcased last night Colston is not the only receiving threat. Meachem and Henderson are too fast for Griffin and Winfield, but Griffin and Winfiled can bump them easy. The trick here would be Colston’s red zone presence; Brees wins, but not by much.
    QB/WR advantage – Push. Farve’s been there and has more weapons than Brees, only cause Harvin has more consistency then Bush. Rice/Colston, Berrian/Henderson, Shiancoe/Shockey, Taylor/Meachem… only Meachem has only been productive the last couple weeks; unkown who is more consistent.
    RB advantage – Vikings. No explanation needed.
    D – Advantage. Vikings, with one huge exception. Darren Sharper… and he’s VERY familiar with Brett Favre.

  39. OmegaXxXNFL says: Dec 1, 2009 3:30 PM

    “PS: To those who think Favre will collapse, need to get a new excuse… ”
    Oh no Favre won’t collapse, he will just throw to the wrong dude, you see come January he is color-blind and will toss and easy one to the opposition, thats all. LOL. BTW, Viking fans are just bandwagon folk; they arent idiots, just root for the team when they are winners, thats all.

  40. Emoney says: Dec 1, 2009 3:31 PM

    PercyHarvin,
    Just shut your mouth. You’re embarrassing yourself and sound like a fool. You sound like a 13 year old wigger. Go back to study hall.
    You make Viking fans sound like morons, and I KNOW they’re not all like that. I’ve met some intelligent Minnesota fans, and you’re clearly not in the same class as them.
    The Steelers WON against the Vikings. I know its hard for you to believe, but they WON. The Vikings could of, would of, should of. Blah blah. They LOST. If the Packers continued their momentum in the second half against the Vikings at Lambeau, they would have won. If the 49ers knocked down the last pass to Greg Lewis, the Vikings would have lost. If the Ravens would have made that last second field goal, they would have beat the Vikings. Again, the key word is IF. IF! They didn’t, so they lost. Accept the fact that they lost a game to a better team back in week whatever.
    You’re a little too cocky to be talking about how Jared Allen would be wrecking havoc on Drew Brees all day. Drew Brees would get rid of that ball to one of his multiple weapons before that redneck would even get to him. Do your research before sounding like a complete idiot.

  41. SaintsBaby says: Dec 1, 2009 3:36 PM

    Bring on the rush game. Score in seven or eight minutes. The Saints will answer in 1-2 minutes.
    Michael Turner rushed for 151 yards. Result? Saints win. Ricky Williams had 9 yards per carry and we gave up 5 sacks. Result? Saints win. Stephen Jackson rushed for 131 yards. Result? Saints win.
    In the end the rush game will not generate enough points fast enough to keep pace.

  42. LBPACKFAN says: Dec 1, 2009 3:41 PM

    Pervy -
    Are ya sippin’ on a martini today…or sippin on the tip of some dudes shaft???

  43. MNFANINAZ says: Dec 1, 2009 3:50 PM

    The Vikings Clinched their 18th division title back in week 8.
    ALL WE DO IS WIN
    ALL WE DO IS WIN
    4

  44. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 1, 2009 3:50 PM

    fan of four,
    They were 16-0! I do remember a 15-1 team in 1998 thatstepped on their own dicks. Remember? Greenville Mississippi does!

  45. mikethevike says: Dec 1, 2009 3:55 PM

    @Saintsbaby
    rams, dolphins and falcons ain’t no Vikings.
    If you haven’t seen us play we have 7 less passes over 16 yards than you do. We’re comin We’re comin!

  46. lskynard87 says: Dec 1, 2009 3:57 PM

    SaintsBaby,
    if we’re talking Vikes here, they’ve been winning through the air as of late, and I’d take Favre’s long ball over Brees’.
    I know the Vikes aren’t built to score quickly, but their built to control the ball.
    It’s more like the Saints will have to rely on being explosive, and sometimes that doesn’t work out well.
    I.E Rams ’01

  47. Bob Nelson is a Tool says: Dec 1, 2009 3:59 PM

    @SaintsBaby says:
    December 1, 2009 3:36 PM
    Bring on the rush game. Score in seven or eight minutes. The Saints will answer in 1-2 minutes.
    Michael Turner rushed for 151 yards. Result? Saints win. Ricky Williams had 9 yards per carry and we gave up 5 sacks. Result? Saints win. Stephen Jackson rushed for 131 yards. Result? Saints win.
    In the end the rush game will not generate enough points fast enough to keep pace.
    ___________________________________________________
    You forget the Vikes have a way better pass offense then all of those teams. It would be a great game to see, best matchup of any 2 teams in the NFL.

  48. jx4cmario1 says: Dec 1, 2009 4:00 PM

    OmegaXxXNFL says:
    December 1, 2009 3:30 PM
    “PS: To those who think Favre will collapse, need to get a new excuse… ”
    Oh no Favre won’t collapse, he will just throw to the wrong dude, you see come January he is color-blind and will toss and easy one to the opposition, thats all. LOL. BTW, Viking fans are just bandwagon folk; they arent idiots, just root for the team when they are winners, thats all.
    ——————————————-
    How do you make that assessment that Vikes fans only root for the team when they win? You sound like an idiot, go away. I’ve suffered through a whole lotta shit to have some moron tell me we only cheer when they win. People in MN live and die with the Vikes, asshole.

  49. cusoman says: Dec 1, 2009 4:02 PM

    @SaintsBaby:
    Your assumption that Brees will be able to score as quickly as they did against that list of opponents, against a more competent team with actual big guns and veteran experience on defense is pretty shortsighted.
    I’m not saying the Vikes are better than the Saints or vice-versa (in fact I think they are very evenly matched), but constantly looking through those black and gold colored glasses of yours might, just might, lead to a rude awakening down the road. Realize the flaws, because they are there. Your team is far from perfect, because no such thing exists in the NFL, sorry bud.

  50. sand0 says: Dec 1, 2009 4:07 PM

    I think the Vikings vs. Saints would be a great matchup. The Vikings have slightly better defense while the Saints have slightly better offense. But both teams are virtually unstoppable the way they are playing right now.
    There is such a huge drop off in quality of team in the NFC once you get past the Vikes and Saints that I would be fairly surprised if anyone else made it to the championship game.
    Vikings would match up as well as any team in the NFL against the Saints. The Vikings are able to score on anyone, especially a team that thrives on passing defense because the Vikes run game forces you out of whatever it is you usually like to do to prevent passing. On the other side of the ball the Vikes can bring pressure with the front 4 which usually gives you a chance against good passing teams. Lately the Vikes D has been lights out and they are still down their star CB who will be back by playoff time.

  51. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 4:09 PM

    @ Emoney – Just go away before you get hurt. Steelers blow dude,get Brees junk out your mouth! Bandwagon homo!

  52. footballrulz says: Dec 1, 2009 4:12 PM

    @ Chickenfoot
    I think you already did, dude

  53. GBISFULLOFFATTIES says: Dec 1, 2009 4:20 PM

    OmegaXxXNFL says:
    December 1, 2009 3:30 PM
    “PS: To those who think Favre will collapse, need to get a new excuse… ”
    Oh no Favre won’t collapse, he will just throw to the wrong dude, you see come January he is color-blind and will toss and easy one to the opposition, thats all. LOL. BTW, Viking fans are just bandwagon folk; they arent idiots, just root for the team when they are winners, thats all.
    ******************************************
    Yes because as a Vikings fan I’ve never seen Favre in a playoff game before. Haha!
    Will Favre throw an interception in the playoffs, sure but many…. not looking like it this year. You can’t use the past with Favre this year because he is re-writing his own stats. He has never played this well, EVER! (TD’s- INT’s)
    We will see what happens when it happens, thats it.
    GB / Milwaukee
    Packers (Die hard)
    Brewers bandwagon
    Bucks small fan base
    MPLS / St. Paul
    Wild – consistently great
    Vikings – very, very popular, horrid stadium
    Twins – consistently very good w/horrid field
    T-puppies – small fan base

  54. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 1, 2009 4:21 PM

    Look. Both teams need to win alot more games to even play. I, being a lifelong Saints fan would not want to play the Green bay Packers in the playoffs. Theyve got a QB every bit as good as Brees and Favre and the best defense in all of the footbll world.

  55. SF Saints Fan says: Dec 1, 2009 4:32 PM

    lskynard87 :
    “RB advantage – Vikings. No explanation needed.”
    Last I checked football was a team sport. If you are talking about one player, ok, but as a team:
    NFL Stats through 11 games:
    Yards rushing:
    Saints 1656 yards
    Vikings 1421 yards
    Average gain per rushing attempt:
    Saints 4.7 yards
    Vikings 4.3 yards
    Average Points per game:
    Saints 34
    Vikings 31.1
    Rushing TD’s:
    Saints 18
    Vikings 13
    First Downs by Rushing:
    Saints 87
    Vikings 69
    I will give you one point Adrian Peterson is a better running back than any one back on the Saints roster, but last time I checked this is a team game and as a team, if you look at it objectively (look at the stats above), the Saints are a better rushing TEAM than the Vikings.
    The Vikings live and die with Favre, juts as the Saints rely on Brees. This is a passing league. Just for kicks you might want to look at the passing stats for both teams. The Saints are ahead in most of those too.

  56. LBPACKFAN says: Dec 1, 2009 4:36 PM

    Pervy -
    You’re the reason I keep coming back here.
    You are awesome.
    Vikes still suck ass though.
    LA Vikes…2011? They wont have to pack up any trophies when they leave town. AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  57. TheBaySay says: Dec 1, 2009 4:49 PM

    Saints and Vikings fans talking smack to one another like they’re the Steelers and Pats… how did I wake up in this crazy world? Most of these people are so obnoxious now – what would they be like if they actually won it all? God wouldn’t let that happen, right?

  58. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 4:49 PM

    Mr. Bugess – Trust me,you would want the Packers before the Vikings. That #1 d ranking is there but they are not as scary as the Vikes. Their O line sucks and lack the firepower of the Vikes. Lots of ball left,but don’t fear the Pack. Think you would smoke them.

  59. LBPACKFAN says: Dec 1, 2009 5:00 PM

    Mr Burgess -
    Don’t fear the Vikings. They are walking through a cake walk schedule. There one tough opponent beat them easily by 10. If you meet up with them in playoffs, no problem…they will collapse like always.

  60. cusoman says: Dec 1, 2009 5:09 PM

    @SF Saints Fan
    All I have to say to you is: “Any Given Sunday”.
    Stats, while telling, never tell the whole story. Both teams have a lot of something that can’t be measured in stats: passion. I’m in no way saying the team with the most passion wins the game, but all this posturing with stats and game comparisons amounts to nothing because we don’t know how it’s all going to go down.
    That’s what makes this sport so damn fun!

  61. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 5:13 PM

    @ TheBaySay- Are you lost son? Need directions out here?
    LBPACKFAN- Glad I can humor you son, your homosexual takes are the life of the party! How was ma’s pie?? Dry??
    Vikings are going nowhere,deal with years of second place! HAHAHA

  62. MinneapolisResident says: Dec 1, 2009 5:14 PM

    @Pervy- I definitely give you credit for entertainer of the year on this site. And I will apologize as Ruvell for going a little over the top this morning. Uncalled for on my part.
    Regarding these two teams, there is just something not right about them. Maybe it’s both of their penchants for blowing it. I think the Saints don’t run well enough or stop the run and could lay a big egg in the playoffs. Vikings…dude, I’ve seen Favre too many times in the playoffs to hold out any hope that this 40 year old leopard changed his spots.

  63. lskynard87 says: Dec 1, 2009 5:32 PM

    SF Saints Fan,
    I was just talking in particular to player vs player, that’s why I broke down the QB/WR comparison right before that.
    Mike Bell, Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush as a threesome have been more productive than Peterson and Taylor, but you’d be hard pressed to convince me that either one of those three are as indivudally as talented as one of the Vikings backs.
    Great post on breaking down the team aspect though.

  64. footballrulz says: Dec 1, 2009 6:02 PM

    If each team keeps playing like they are playing currently and both make it to the NFLCG, the Super Bowl will most likely be a let down.
    @Mr Burgess
    you can fool some of the people some of the time……..

  65. SaintsBaby says: Dec 1, 2009 6:37 PM

    @PervyHarvin
    Keep talking up that huge O line “son”.
    They have given up 22 sacks. The Saints O line has given up 14. Do the math which is better?

  66. PervyHarvin says: Dec 1, 2009 7:03 PM

    @SaintsBaby
    Son? lol I got your Daddy right here! That math is bogus. Has nothing to do with size of the big road graters making holes. Our line schemes are different. You let inferior lines like Carolina,Atlanta,and rams push you around while their backs ran wild. Wait til you see our bull dozers push your small D around. don’t believe me. you will see.This season is about destiny. Last second to beat 49ers bomb,Ravens miss fg to win. We are destiny SON,you are just a stepping stone. A good one at that.

  67. employer says: Dec 2, 2009 2:52 AM

    @SF Saints Fan
    Real simple. Teams have been playing very soft against the saints run game. Almost prevent. N.O. staff has done a nice job of exploiting this.
    Not so w/minny. All teams game plan to stop AP.
    They have for three years now.
    Their waiting/hoping Favre breaks down. That hasn’t happened. So Farve shreds them. It’s a pick your poison predicament for opposing DC’s. I can’t say I disagree with the logic. Tough call.
    N.O. is playing their best football. They are very,very good. They will get no better. Unfortunately, their play book is empty and any wild cards have been dealt. What you see is what it is and that is very good.
    Minny isn’t close to playing to their potential. They’ve played some very sound football but theirs still alot of room for improvement.
    Bottom line, Vikes are too balanced for N.O.
    Or anyone for that matter.
    They win playing at 85%- 90% to N.O. playing at 100% potential.
    And incidentally, New England is not a very good football team.

  68. jeff says: Dec 2, 2009 8:25 AM

    rulz:
    Thought it was Super, but it’s not. he has had it with this site, althought i think part of it is own doing.
    Yep had to edit my name, booted! I’m guessing it was the toaster comments.

  69. Emoney says: Dec 2, 2009 8:51 AM

    PervyHarvin says:
    December 1, 2009 4:09 PM
    @ Emoney – Just go away before you get hurt. Steelers blow dude,get Brees junk out your mouth! Bandwagon homo!
    ————————————-
    Haha that’s cute. If you met me, you wouldn’t even raise your voice to me. Internet bloggers try to sound so tough through their keyboards. Its alright though. There are few people I fear, especially some punk kid trying to act hard. You’re a joke and always will be. And everytime I see you post something on PFT, I will respond to you reminding you everytime how much of an idiot you are. I would embarrass you, but you already do a good job doing that yourself.
    ———————————-
    PervyHarvin says:
    December 1, 2009 7:03 PM
    This season is about destiny. We are destiny SON.
    ———————————-
    Destiny? The only thing destined about minnesota is that they’re destined to move to L.A. in 2011. You’re in denial. I look forward to 2011 when you have no team to root for. But then again, you probably won’t be posting anymore on here. You’ll just disappear like a fart in the wind.

  70. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 2, 2009 9:04 AM

    Very true but how do you defend that potent packer offense? Rodgers looks like Montana out there. That defense with Woodson is a force. That Tampa loss sure seemed to wake them up. I would disagree that we are winning playing at 100 percent employer. Versus the queens at 80 percent. I think the differeance you are seeing is the saints are 20 percent better then Minnesota. We have played a much stronger schedule too.

  71. SaintsBaby says: Dec 2, 2009 9:07 AM

    @Pervy
    You are the one calling me son. The Saints have rushed for more yards this season and given up fewer sacks. Thats the O line making holes and blocking all of the blitzes that everyone throws at us to stop Brees. Don’t get me wrong I have always liked Favre. He is arguably the best ever.
    As far as their playbook being empty? With Peyton? Thats funny. And the Vikings not playing up to their potential? When are they going to unleash their team? Are they not trying to win every game to keep pace for home field advantage?

  72. jeff says: Dec 2, 2009 9:41 AM

    Burgess:
    Think the Vikes defended it 2 times already this year…Asshat!
    Obviously you haven’t looked at strength of schedule, why would you? You are a know nothing.
    Go put the bag back over your head.
    Emoney:
    How’d that upset special work out for you? You know, where you picked the Bears over the Vikes?
    You bring out the same tired crap in every post you make with no variation.
    How long you going to beat that dead horse of the Vikings moving? What are you going to type about then?
    You castigate Pervy for being an internet tough guy and in the same sentence you tell him, in person, he wouldn’t raise his voice to you?
    Doesn’t that stike you as hypocritical?
    The only one on here you are capable of embarrassing is yourself. Your infantile takes on football are surpassed only by the jealousy you have that your team is pretty much irrelevant at this point.
    Keep posting your stupid crap, you are on your way to the asshat of the day already and it’s not even 9 am in the midwest!
    Do yourself a favor, stop posting. You have made it perfectly clear you are clueless on football, I’m sure that it’s that way in your everday life too.

  73. sand0 says: Dec 2, 2009 10:08 AM

    SF Saints Fan,
    The stats are correct but you are failing to realize an extremely important aspect.
    Vikings face constant 8 man and up fronts. Occasionally they will see a 7 man front but in that case the D-line will almost always slant and they’ll bring linebacker run blitzes on top.
    The Saints usually see 6 or 7 man fronts with linebackers dropping to the seams. Saints passing game is like the Vikings running game. So good that it forces the opponent to pick their poison.
    If the Saints faced the fronts that the Vikings face they would average well under 4 yards a carry, plain and simple. No team in the NFL gets the run looks the Vikes do. Then again, if the Saints saw 8 and 9 man fronts with the line slanting (clogging run holes while not rushing the QB) then Drew Brees’s numbers would be the greatest of all time.
    The Vikings incredible run game is why Favre is having a career year in many respects. If Adrian Peterson and our line went up agains the stunts and 6 to 7 man fronts and nickel looks that the Saints get then he would be averaging over 6 yards per carry.
    I wish I would have bookmarked this stat but an analyst once did an unofficial stat where AP was averaging over 7 yards per carry against 6 or 7 man fronts and like 8 or 9 yards when a team came with a stunt or zone dog (specific pass defensive line plays).
    I don’t remember the details but he basically was making the point that if you don’t play the run all the way Peterson will chew you up and spit you out.

  74. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 10:31 AM

    Emoney says:
    December 2, 2009 8:51 AM
    Haha that’s cute. If you met me, you wouldn’t even raise your voice to me. Internet bloggers try to sound so tough through their keyboards. Its alright though. There are few people I fear, especially some punk kid trying to act hard. You’re a joke and always will be. And every time I see you post something on PFT, I will respond to you reminding you every time how much of an idiot you are. I would embarrass you, but you already do a good job doing that yourself.
    ————————————————–
    First of all douche bag, crawl back to that crappy Pittsburgh team threads where you belong. Are you gay? Sorry dude,not my thing.
    LOL If I met you Internet poser, it wouldn’t be cuz you have a man crush on me. What,you one those big 6’5 idiots that think size is imposing? As an ex pro fighter and current MMA trainer in Minneapolis,trust must son,you don’t want any. Enough of that,I don’t talk fights,I live them. You are all talk like most who play hide and speak in the safety of their computer room.
    You can keep chasing my posts like a gay dog humping my leg, but just remember. You are bringing a knife to a gunfight.I will make you the bitch every time.You have neither wit nor sense.A sitting duck for anyone with a brain.
    Just like jeff owned you,it’s easy. Whether you had my back,or just called out a tool,thanks jeff.

  75. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 2, 2009 10:42 AM

    pervy
    your fondness for getting punched in the head explains everything. I have respect for mma fighting. But the damage it does is frightening. Case in point…your noggin.

  76. Emoney says: Dec 2, 2009 11:06 AM

    Jeff,
    Your boy Percy has posted over and over again saying the dumbest things on here. I am not the only one who thinks that.
    Sure I was wrong about the Chicago upset. Apparently, Chicago wasn’t even close to what I thought they could be. I’ll admit when I’m wrong.
    Percy is the one on here constantly posting tough talk to everyone, including myself. I think its hilarious that people think they’re so tough on the internet. I only replied that I would like to see him talk to me, or anybody else like that in person. Most people who talk and talk online are the one’s who hide behind their friends, afraid to ever step up. Its easy to talk shit to someone online somewhere across the country. It doesn’t intimidate me. The internet makes them feel like tough guys.
    And my team is irrelevant? Last I checked, the Packers are in the playoff race right now. Last I checked, the Packers are playing their best football right now. I sincerely hope the Packers get another crack at the Vikings in the playoffs this year. If they win, I will be sure to rub it in your faces, just like you guys have because of two victories in the regular season. Remember, its hard to beat a team three times in one year, no matter who you are. The Packers proved that back in ’03 against the Vikings when we easily swept you in the regular season but lost in the playoffs. If the Packers lose, then we lose. But I’ll save my shit talking until then. Both of you need to grow up.
    And Percy,
    I HIGHLY doubt you have ever even been in a gym, much less a MMA ring. Shouldn’t you be training right now, instead of posting every five minutes on PFT? Or are you taking breaks in between rounds? Someone who posts that they’re a former ex fighter and MMA trainer is trying to make themselves sound tougher than they really are. Quit living that fantasy dream in your head. Douch bag.
    And by the way, I don’t even like the Steelers. I simply posted that they beat the Vikings. You can’t seem to let that loss go.

  77. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 11:16 AM

    LOL ok Mr. Burgess LOL I musn’t be that dumb, to know all things. For I have a crystal ball you see. They say I’m a Super guy, not a Sucker!

  78. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 2, 2009 11:53 AM

    pervy,
    your brain is mush with that attempt at poetry.

  79. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 12:18 PM

    @ Ehomo-
    Will you quit following me around? I’m gonna torment you forever now douche. I never threaten any one on here. Listen,jackoff.
    Minnesota Martil Arts Academy,Brooklyn Center MN.. You are welcome here anytime. Pay your money and I would be glad to show you how to quit being the punk that you are. No,I didn’t fight MMA douche,was a pro boxer.Teach stand up to mma guys. There is no dream homo,I’m retired.
    Now get back to a Packer thread where you belong. I talk smack and facts,anyone that hates me with you is just mad because you can’t keep up. Now go away, I’m here to talk ball. That 10,000 word post proves you are a idiot with a weak mind.

  80. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 12:37 PM

    @ Mr. Su Burgess I mean,
    Bro,wasn’t that bad. Bet you copied it.!lol
    Emoney – As you see,many people got my back. I wasn’t even here and you got ripped. chickenfoot owns you constantly. go away and you can rest in peace.

  81. PornFlorio says: Dec 2, 2009 2:15 PM

    PervyHarvin says:
    December 2, 2009 12:18 PM
    @ Ehomo-
    Will you quit following me around? I’m gonna torment you forever now douche. I never threaten any one on here. Listen,jackoff.
    Minnesota Martil Arts Academy,Brooklyn Center MN.. You are welcome here anytime. Pay your money and I would be glad to show you how to quit being the punk that you are. No,I didn’t fight MMA douche,was a pro boxer.Teach stand up to mma guys. There is no dream homo,I’m retired.
    Now get back to a Packer thread where you belong. I talk smack and facts,anyone that hates me with you is just mad because you can’t keep up. Now go away, I’m here to talk ball. That 10,000 word post proves you are a idiot with a weak mind.
    __________
    C’mon, let’s all figure out a way to make this happen! LMFAO!!!!!
    It wouldn’t be the first time that a Packer puke got his teeth bashed in (all 3 of them) by someone far superior to him…I hear that their sheep/love partners kick them in the mouth all the time when they aren’t “in the mood”. LMAO!!!!

  82. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 4:20 PM

    @ PornFlorio – as you can see bud,when you present the challenge,the pretenders go away! Like your roll dude!

  83. TheBaySay says: Dec 2, 2009 4:40 PM

    Perv,
    In one of your 78 posts above, you finally said something that actually sounded reasonable – “Vikings are going nowhere” Yeah, now we’re getting back on solid footing!

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