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Bench Adrian Peterson? PFTV makes the case

On Tuesday, I engaged in a spirited debate with Paul Allen of KFAN regarding the ongoing problems that Vikings running back Adrian Peterson is experiencing when it comes to focusing his legendary hand strength on the task of keeping the football from falling out of them.

So since we also were scrounging up our weekly PFTV topics and given that I heard from more than a dozen folks who heard the spot and agreed with my superficially (and possibly substantively) harebrained argument, Brocato and I decided to take a closer look at whether it makes sense to temporarily sit him down, if he keeps dropping the ball.

Before you call us crazy, watch the video.  Then you may call us crazy.

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  1. beyondclarity says: Dec 2, 2009 11:42 AM

    I’m a Vikings fan and I’ve been saying AP is overrated for nearly 2 years.
    I’m also a huge proponent of benching him if only for a half.
    I know he’s the type of guy who gets down on himself when he makes mistakes but that apparently isn’t enough for him to figure out how to solve this problem.

  2. Commish says: Dec 2, 2009 11:42 AM
  3. deakon says: Dec 2, 2009 11:44 AM

    I heard this interview and thought it was exactly what Vikings fans need to hear. Even if we don’t bench Purple Jesus for a whole quarter or whatever Florio is asking for here, something needs to be done to point out that AP isn’t above the rest of the team. Then again, how do you bench the best player in the NFL?

  4. gopher says: Dec 2, 2009 11:46 AM

    Mike, you and all the other negative people are nuts. The Vikings are 10-1 and Peterson has over 1000 yards rushing. You want to bench him for fumbles, OK then bench all the QB’s with over 5 interceptions, no difference.

  5. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 11:47 AM

    Eric Dickerson- First four seasons: 13,14,10,12
    Walter Payton- seasons of 9,10,11
    JimBrown-seasons of 9 twice and 7 twice
    Franco Harris-10twice,9twice,8twice,11
    Those numbers are fumbles in a season. Don’t panic about AD. Hard ass runners tend to fumble,part of the bad ass style. Hopefully like Walter,he will get it worked out.
    To sit him is plain ignorance.We are talking about potential NFL greatness here.
    Sitting him will make it better Florio?? Thank God you are not our coach Florio. They should just drill the piss out of him in running drills with defenders going for the ball. Until it’s second nature to hold it right. Benching don’t make hold it better.

  6. Ottawa49ers says: Dec 2, 2009 11:47 AM

    I’ve had AP on my fantasy team the last 2 years and he has been a bit of a disappointment to be honest… but benching him sounds crazy.
    u crazy Florio

  7. simple_simon1 says: Dec 2, 2009 11:49 AM

    In my opinion you don’t sit down the best running back in the NFL. Or at least, top three. He’s a beast to contend with.
    I have commented on here before though. I agree he fumbles way too much. In fact, in every game since coming to the league, I can count on 2 fumbles a game every time he plays my Lions. Still isn’t close to enough for them to win, but it helps.
    If he doesn’t get control of this sometime, somebody has to do something. After watching the Saints the other night, if the Vikings are to go anywhere in the playoffs they have to be at their very best and hope the Saints are not. Otherwise I don’t see it happening. And if Peterson were to fumble, that would be bad timing.
    Also, even without the fumbling, I love to watch his running. But at some point you have to start running out of bounds sometimes. There’s only so many years a body can take that. He’s a human highlight reel but it’s going to end up being for a limited career if he’s not careful.
    Next time he fumbles, I’d sit him down at least for a quarter. If nothing else, just to teach him that there’s consequences for not learning from your mistakes.

  8. Calihawk says: Dec 2, 2009 11:49 AM

    Send AP to Seattle we will take him off your hands. You can have our 1st round pick this year.

  9. trickbunny says: Dec 2, 2009 11:49 AM

    I take it PFT cannot legally obtain NFL footage, considering one would think you’d have a video compilation of AP fumbling left and right to go along with the rest of your story…

  10. HAUS says: Dec 2, 2009 11:51 AM

    Let’s talk about the Vikings knocking off two undefeated teams in the playoffs on their way to a championship. You heard it here first.

  11. karmathaitch says: Dec 2, 2009 11:51 AM

    Tell you what, The Chargers will trade you LT for AP. Deal?? I mean he soooo overated!!! Fools!!

  12. PFT Jesus says: Dec 2, 2009 11:52 AM

    Look at the fumble problems for Walter Payton, Jim Brown, Eric Dickerson…etc.
    They fumbled more often than Peterson, or at the same rate. If you say to bench them, you are considered legally retarded. So why bench Peterson? He’s as good as they were. So instead of him fumbling, you’ll go with an average run game and not score as much offensively, just so you can hope you don’t turn the ball over. Here’s an idea, our backup RB is the one that let the screen pass go through his hands at Pittsburgh that cost the Vikes that game. So our second RB is the reason for our only loss this year. How about the Vikes don’t use any RBs and every play is a pass to a WR or TE.
    Morons.

  13. hendo says: Dec 2, 2009 11:52 AM

    are you kidding me, AP over rated look at what he has done for the vikings and even with Farve around other teams are still not respecting Farve and putting 8 in the box, yet he has over a 1000 yards, the guy is a beast so he fumbles, he does need to work on it i agree but thats like saying the good manning throws an interception and what they should go to sorgi come on chester the molester is no AP

  14. GoBrowns19 says: Dec 2, 2009 11:53 AM

    150 yards 2 td’s and a fumble lost. I’d take that every game.

  15. smiley says: Dec 2, 2009 11:56 AM

    Sit em’? For fumbles? I’ll take the fumbles and give me the yards as well. Crazy…bench em’? The Vikings better keep that train rollin’….they know how quickly it stops.

  16. vikingfan69 says: Dec 2, 2009 11:56 AM

    These are the rates at which these running backs fumbled and last I checked none of them were benched…as a matter of fact they are regarded as some of the best in the history of this league….Peterson fumbles at a .46 rate…However, I hope AD can clean this up because it could cost us in the playoffs.
    Eric Dickerson – 0.80
    Walter Payton – 0.73
    Marcus Allen – 0.66
    Tony Dorsett – 0.64
    Franco Harris – 0.63
    Chuck Foreman – 0.62
    OJ Simpson – 0.49
    Thurman Thomas – 0.47
    Earl Campbell – 0.46

  17. Island says: Dec 2, 2009 11:56 AM

    I have to agree – nobody is above the team.
    If he fumbles again, bench him for the rest of the game, and dress him in a polka dot petticoat and vest (with integrated big knockers) – that should do the trick…

  18. LBPACKFAN says: Dec 2, 2009 11:57 AM

    Sit AP and start who…Bernard Scott? Justin Fargas????
    What a stupid article.

  19. purplepuzzyeatrz says: Dec 2, 2009 11:59 AM

    OVERATED?????
    Is this even a story? He is Bar None the best Player in the League….Here is the TRUTH!!!!!
    Adrian Peterson in the Game….Stack 8 in Box, sometimes 9, people, 9….So then Brett Favre takes his pick with Receivers….Take him out, then they drop, 2 -3 into coverage, and passing yards suffer….I will take the fumbles and winning consistantly over, benching the best Player in League…..OK FLorio….Next Story
    Geez, Unreal

  20. CYGNUS X-1 says: Dec 2, 2009 12:00 PM

    so you want to trade big ben and bench a.p.?that doesn’t sound like something matt millen would do at all does it florio?and you think you could run an nfl franchise?

  21. NFLJunkie says: Dec 2, 2009 12:01 PM

    What also goes under the radar about Peterson is his knack for having neutral or negative plays. I know every RB has them but he seems to have them more often. I can’t even count how many times per game he either runs for a no gain or a negative gain.
    This on top of the fumbles and Chris Johnson being better than him, and I would say he is a bit overrated. And yes, Chris Johnson is better than him at this point in their careers. Johnson is a much more complete back. How many times do you see Peterson being pulled out on 3rd downs and passing downs? Johnson doesn’t do that.

  22. skolvikes says: Dec 2, 2009 12:01 PM

    Benching AP is only going to make him think about fumbling more. It’s all in his head, especially when he calls himself “my own worst enemy” AP just needs to do what AP does and not pay attention to all the publicity of his fumbles.
    Peace

  23. CutlerISaPussy says: Dec 2, 2009 12:04 PM

    The stupid thing about this is that everything is relative. If you look at a more meaningful statistic, like fumbles/carry there are many more running backs that are above AD and no one is calling for their benching. Parker, Hightower, Lynch, Beanie Wells, and on and on all have more fumbles per attempt compared to Peterson. The dude gets the ball a lot. Only Jackson gets the ball more than him.

  24. Brooklyn Eagle says: Dec 2, 2009 12:05 PM

    Enjoy your page views, Florio. You’re as bad as talk radio with this one.

  25. themaster says: Dec 2, 2009 12:08 PM

    Florio, why do you think your opinion matters? I’ll chalk this right up there with ‘The Redskins will win the Superbowl’. Do your job, report the news. Leave the opinions to the professional analysts.

  26. Nevisyakker says: Dec 2, 2009 12:08 PM

    Yeah, he fumbles, and yeah, Pervy makes a great point in comparing him to other runners who refuse to easily go down. The thing is, his fumbles are a part of his overly aggressive and punishing style. Most come as he is stopped, stood up, and then they rip at the ball. Hopefully he will learn when it is best to take the yards and go down, but do we really want to take away his heart and intensity?
    The reason it is idiocy to take him out is that as long as he is on the field he dictates much of what the defense can/will do. His presence means success in the passing game and wins.
    As for “over-rated” ask defensive coordinators if they agree, or linebackers and safeties who have been faked out of their jocks, out run, and out hit.

  27. leatherneck says: Dec 2, 2009 12:15 PM

    Vikings and Adrian Peterson fan here.
    First of all, it’s “AD,” not “AP.”
    Second, AD will fumble. It happens.
    Third, AD would fumble less if he carried the ball with better technique. He should carry the ball high and tight. This is the most important point here.
    Fourth, AD would fumble less if he got to the ground faster. It’s something he’ll have to use his better judgement on.
    Fifth, AD doesn’t need to be benched yet. He needs to be coached better. At some point, the fumbling has to stop or benching will happen, just like for all players.

  28. gruben says: Dec 2, 2009 12:17 PM

    HAUS – Knocking off two undefeated teams in the playoffs?? Indy is in the AFC, so the Vikings wouldn’t face them in the playoffs. The only way they play Indy is in the Super Bowl.
    PervyHarvin – thanks for the stats you provided.

  29. bearsrule says: Dec 2, 2009 12:21 PM

    Wait a minute. According to Jaws and Overthetop Gruden, this guy is practically the Greatest Of All Time right now. All of you media screamers confuse me.

  30. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 12:21 PM

    Nevisyakker says:
    December 2, 2009 12:08 PM
    The reason it is idiocy to take him out is that as long as he is on the field he dictates much of what the defense can/will do. His presence means success in the passing game and wins.
    ===================================
    Great football take. Exactly!

  31. ScottThompson1982 says: Dec 2, 2009 12:22 PM

    Tom Brady gave the ball away to the Saints twice, Peyton Manning has given up picks his last few games.
    If a player is averaging two turnovers a game is forced to ride the bench then Favre would have never had 500 TD’s
    Babe Ruth was the Strike out king when he was an active player but teams would live with that because he was also a home-run hitter.
    Maybe Billicheck should be fired for going for it on 4th? he gave the ball to the colts in the red-zone…

  32. Island says: Dec 2, 2009 12:24 PM

    @ Gruben
    He was probably meaning knocking off the Saints and then the Colts…
    I still think that a petticoat or a tutu would do the trick…

  33. jeff says: Dec 2, 2009 12:25 PM

    NFLJunkie says:
    December 2, 2009 12:01 PM
    What also goes under the radar about Peterson is his knack for having neutral or negative plays. I know every RB has them but he seems to have them more often. I can’t even count how many times per game he either runs for a no gain or a negative gain.
    This on top of the fumbles and Chris Johnson being better than him, and I would say he is a bit overrated. And yes, Chris Johnson is better than him at this point in their careers. Johnson is a much more complete back. How many times do you see Peterson being pulled out on 3rd downs and passing downs? Johnson doesn’t do that.
    ===============================
    You are going to cut on a guy with nearly 11oo yards rufhing and 12 tds? Really?!
    What do you want from this guy? He will probably wind up with close to 1700 yards and 15 tds this year……and he’s over rated?!
    Johnson better? You been sipping granpa’s cough medicine?
    I doubt that you even look to stats to back up your crap, or watch Vikes games for that matter, but he’s at 27 receptions this year.
    6 behind that “complete back”. He’s at more recptions thru 11 games than he had all of last year. AD doesn’t come out nearly as much as he used to on 3rd down.
    Besides, CT has to get some PT, we also have harvin added in.
    I knew his stats would come down a bit this year, theree is so many weapons on that offense, he’s just not going to see a majority of the touches as he used to.
    I don’t think you are as much of an NFLjunkie as you think, if you are, you sure as hell don’t understand what you are watching…..Mom? is that you?

  34. Manbearpig says: Dec 2, 2009 12:29 PM

    Don’t need to watch it. Can call you crazy after merely reading the headline.

  35. rydendonkeys says: Dec 2, 2009 12:30 PM

    This is an example of how much more football is analyzed by the media these days compared to 20 years ago when the above RBs were chugging.
    More importantly, how they will search for the negative in someone’s game and pick at it and make a story of it, and then make some abusrd claim to bench a player for it…
    Give me a break.
    There has been one flawless athlete (MJ) in the last 20 years of sports, to expect AP to be another one is ridiculous.
    To bench him in the midst of a battle for home field, have you ever said anything more stupid???
    Probably

  36. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 2, 2009 12:30 PM

    LOL LOL LOL Florio “And it will happen! Vikings history..something..it will always be something with them” LMAO Mike Florio may get Chickenfoots asshat of the day award!!

  37. SkeeterK says: Dec 2, 2009 12:35 PM

    Peterson has fumbled 6 times this season and lost 5 of them.
    At Detroit, he fumbled once – on their first drive, lost it resulting in 3 points for the Lions. AD also scored a TD in that game. Bottom line: MIN 27, DET 13.
    vs. Green Bay, he fumbled once and it was returned for a TD by Clay Matthews III. AD later scored a TD in that game. Bottom line: MIN 30, GB 23.
    vs. Detroit, he fumbled twice and lost both, resulting in a punt and a FG by the Lions. He also scored 2 TDs. Bottom line: MIN 27, DET 10.
    vs. Chicago, he fumbled twice and lost one of them resulting in a punt by the Bears. He later scored a TD. Bottom line: MIN 36, CHI 10.
    at Pittsburgh, he didn’t fumble, scored a TD and they lost anyway by 10. Their only loss of the season.
    In all, his 6 fumbles, 5 lost resulted in 13 points for opponents. Compare that to his nearly 100 yards rushing per game, 4.7 yards per carry and 12 TDs in 11 games and I think you can consider this “case” closed.
    Ball carriers who are difficult to tackle often leave themselves open to fumbles. Watch the replay of the Clay Matthews III TD return, and you’ll see a perfect illustration of this. Live by the sword, die by the sword. With AD, way more often than not, you come out on top.

  38. moppy1985 says: Dec 2, 2009 12:38 PM

    Lets ask the question what is the biggest factor in Favre’s success this season????? Childress??…hell no It’s AD. When you have 9 guys in the box you cant block them all so AD is having a harder time breaking through 10 guys rather then 6 or 7. So Favre will just throw for an easy 4 TD’s. I think its a good trade off for the Vikings. Sure AD gets less yards but we actually have a chance at winning some playoff games now. Bench AD and Favre will start throwing interceptions and we will start to lose…Florio is an idiot.

  39. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 2, 2009 12:38 PM

    The end of the video is priceless. You Viking fans have to watch the video!

  40. GB3Pack4 says: Dec 2, 2009 12:39 PM

    I heard the exchange & was stunned by 2 things:
    1) YOU, in starting off your remarks by saying directly to a team’s biggest fan, “The Vikings don’t have a chance.” There has always seemed (to me) to be a tacit agreement in such conversations, that absolutist remarks like that are simply never made face-to-face. It may have been – was – your opinion, but in the context of a one-on-one interview with someone who has you on EVERY WEEK, promotes your work energetically and seeks your opinion but depends on you for fairly rational commentary, it was shockingly inappropriate. There were SO many other ways to phrase that opinion, they’re gonna find it tough if … Well, I’m not sure how that’ll work out if xxxx doesn’t. You know how, you could have leavened that opinion, you didn’t have to puncture his passion like that.
    From there, for reasons that will never be known, you decided to press his big Don’t Go There button re benching Adrian Peterson, and that was a match to dynamite.
    Mike, you started this particular playground fight, and you owe Paul an apology..
    2) PAUL, in his wildly out-of-control reaction. He was stunned by your first remark and responded with rage to the second, as many would have if they felt themselves betrayed by a friend, even if you’re friends only in a professional context.
    Paul has exploded in similar fashion before, and although it’s lovely to have a commentator who buys into the team’s success so much, he absolutely needs to have more on-air self-discipline. When a commentator loses it like that, he forgets he’s got a listening audience who looks to him as a pro, just as he looked to you.
    It’s a kind of betrayal from both of you, to each other and to your listeners.
    As to the NATURE of the remarks about Adrian, entirely aside from HOW you addressed the issue, I absolutely agree that whatever Adrian needs from his coaches, in order to improve an absolutely critical aspect of his game, he’s not getting it. This is a soaring season for the Vikings, the problem with Adrian’s dropsy has been present forever. If they cannot find a way to COACH him to improvement, they SHOULD bench him, at least occasionally – not to make him feel bad, not to punish him, but to PROTECT THE GAME. Every time I see yardage lost, field position squandered, that stubborn upright position held with 57 opposing players hanging off him long after a play has ground to a dead halt, then see him thrown back and back and back, risking his own body and the ultimate success of the team in a particular game, I wonder what on earth is going on to help this fine young player -
    I’ll keep reading PFT, and keep listening to the PA show, but yesterday I was seriously disappointed in both of you.

  41. GB3Pack4 says: Dec 2, 2009 12:39 PM

    I heard the exchange & was stunned by 2 things:
    1) YOU, in starting off your remarks by saying directly to a team’s biggest fan, “The Vikings don’t have a chance.” There has always seemed (to me) to be a tacit agreement in such conversations, that absolutist remarks like that are simply never made face-to-face. It may have been – was – your opinion, but in the context of a one-on-one interview with someone who has you on EVERY WEEK, promotes your work energetically and seeks your opinion but depends on you for fairly rational commentary, it was shockingly inappropriate. There were SO many other ways to phrase that opinion, they’re gonna find it tough if … Well, I’m not sure how that’ll work out if xxxx doesn’t. You know how, you could have leavened that opinion, you didn’t have to puncture his passion like that.
    From there, for reasons that will never be known, you decided to press his big Don’t Go There button re benching Adrian Peterson, and that was a match to dynamite.
    Mike, you started this particular playground fight, and you owe Paul an apology..
    2) PAUL, in his wildly out-of-control reaction. He was stunned by your first remark and responded with rage to the second, as many would have if they felt themselves betrayed by a friend, even if you’re friends only in a professional context.
    Paul has exploded in similar fashion before, and although it’s lovely to have a commentator who buys into the team’s success so much, he absolutely needs to have more on-air self-discipline. When a commentator loses it like that, he forgets he’s got a listening audience who looks to him as a pro, just as he looked to you.
    It’s a kind of betrayal from both of you, to each other and to your listeners.
    As to the NATURE of the remarks about Adrian, entirely aside from HOW you addressed the issue, I absolutely agree that whatever Adrian needs from his coaches, in order to improve an absolutely critical aspect of his game, he’s not getting it. This is a soaring season for the Vikings, the problem with Adrian’s dropsy has been present forever. If they cannot find a way to COACH him to improvement, they SHOULD bench him, at least occasionally – not to make him feel bad, not to punish him, but to PROTECT THE GAME. Every time I see yardage lost, field position squandered, that stubborn upright position held with 57 opposing players hanging off him long after a play has ground to a dead halt, then see him thrown back and back and back, risking his own body and the ultimate success of the team in a particular game, I wonder what on earth is going on to help this fine young player -
    I’ll keep reading PFT, and keep listening to the PA show, but yesterday I was seriously disappointed in both of you.

  42. DasRipper says: Dec 2, 2009 12:40 PM

    Benching AD would be stupid. The Bears were STILL selling out to stop AD after Favre threw the first 2 TD’s. Seattle did the same thing, 8-9 men in the box and just hope Favre retreats back to gunslinger mode.
    Peterson is still making that offense go, regardless of his weakness.

  43. Poo Flinging Monkey says: Dec 2, 2009 12:41 PM

    Bench Favre too! He throws interceptions! OMGZORZ!!!

  44. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 2, 2009 12:42 PM

    gruben the Super Bowl is considered a playoff game. Supersuckers would be embarrased for you.

  45. Twiz says: Dec 2, 2009 12:43 PM

    Florio, you are an absolute idiot, plain and simple.
    You need to do the same research others have done and you will see that AD actually fumbles less than others that are considered GREAT running backs.
    AD is one of the top offensive weapons that the Vikings have. Couple him with Favre, and they are almost unstoppable and cause havoc when a D Coord need to plan against him.
    To even consider benching AD for fumbles is beyond stupidity.
    My guess is this is all just done to generate the hits Lord Florio needs for the site!

  46. TrueFan says: Dec 2, 2009 12:44 PM

    GRUBEN – I assumed that HAUS was REFERRING to the Colts when he said “Two teams”… meaning they would meet the Vikes in the SB.
    REGARDING AD fumbling…
    “Leatherneck” said it well. It’s a technique and a strategy issue. Peterson needs to learn when he is not going to get any more meaningful yards… like when 7 guys have stood him up and are raking at the ball). If he just goes down or holds the ball with two hands it won’tt happen. Not to mention learning to switch hands when it is prudent. He rarely switches hands to the side away from the defender, but that might be hard to change because that in and of itself can lead initially to more fumbling. Tiki Barber had that issue too if I recall correctly.
    Don’t forget as well the factor of teams TRYING MORE to strip him of the ball because he has that reputation now. Hard to measure, but I’d bet if you were to have Video of all the top running backs and the number of attempted strips of the ball, the ones on Peterson would be higher because he has that reputation.
    Always thought the same thing about Culpepper. People knew he was prone to it so they swatted at the ball more than usual, and also he was hard to bring down so trying to strip him was an easier way to get a turnover.

  47. scrapdawg12 says: Dec 2, 2009 12:46 PM

    Bench AP….are you guys drunk? Who cares if he fumbles. He’ll score three times more TD’s than fumbles. He’s not on my fantasy team anyways, lol.

  48. Notoroius B.U.G. says: Dec 2, 2009 12:50 PM

    Never will Chili bench AD…all nonsense.
    Peyton has thrown 2 picks for 3 straight games now…time to give him a seat too!
    Absurd!

  49. leatherneck says: Dec 2, 2009 12:51 PM

    For most videos, after it starts playing I switch to another tab while still listening. Is there some video thing that came up at the end?

  50. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 12:53 PM

    @ gruben – No problem bud.
    Florio is a genius! Slow ass day and what does he do? Start writing Viking and Packer threads! Slick Florio knows who butters his bread!
    AD- Bro,if you read this post,please forgive the bench you guys. Favre knows his possible MVP season is because of the threat you impose on the field. Opens his game up big time. Now go catch Johnson, you know you are better!

  51. DeuceDeuce13 says: Dec 2, 2009 12:55 PM

    LBPACKFAN says:
    December 2, 2009 11:57 AM
    Sit AP and start who…Bernard Scott? Justin Fargas????
    What a stupid article.
    __________________________________
    maybe chestor taylor…..apparantly someone commented without reading thr article

  52. massett says: Dec 2, 2009 1:00 PM

    dont take away his aggression, it is what makes him great. its no different than living with a gunslinger QB who will make more great plays than not, but you run the risk of a bad INT.
    ridiculous. just fine him when he fumbles (if allowed) and emphasize it regularly.

  53. chitown26 says: Dec 2, 2009 1:02 PM

    Sorry, you’re insane. 5 fumbles is hardly enough to bench the tank.
    lol

  54. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 2, 2009 1:09 PM

    I just listened to the Podcast from yesterday!! I love Mike Florio!! You got Paul Allen to absolutely lose his mind on air aka Vikings vs. Cardinals in 2004 season. OMG!!! This is the best PFT day ever!

  55. straightup says: Dec 2, 2009 1:14 PM

    I don’t believe in benching a guy who is as productive as A.P even when he is fumbling. Maybe Farve should have been benched a bunch in his career. He has to learn, maybe get some advice from T. Barber, he had a similar problem then starting holding the ball higher and had less problems. And as for yall who believe he’s the best, you have to take care of the rock better than that to be the best. C.J is running the ball better than A.P with a not as good team and not fumbling. Well i guess we all have our favorites and either of these guys are a safe bet any Sunday.

  56. nationscapital10 says: Dec 2, 2009 1:15 PM

    WHY WHY WHY…does anyone keep coming to this site and giving this guy fuel? I guess i am here too..ha. What an idiot Florio is…he looks so stupid, he talks stupid and everything he says is to piss off fans so that they continue giving him page views. Have you noticed, he is always talking about the teams with the biggest fan bases? How come we have not seen an article on why the Jags suck again and how Del Rio job is on the line.

  57. CincyAllDaWay says: Dec 2, 2009 1:24 PM

    SkeeterK…….Wonderful stats. One common denominator though. All of the teams that he coughed up fumbles to were losers anyway. The point being he’s gonna give one up a critical time that could/would cost you the game, possibly a playoff game. Wouldn’t that suck! Don’t get me wrong, he’s a great back but he can’t hold on to the ball. Sooner or later when you guys play a real team your gonna see that. Just sayin…….

  58. CanadianVikingFan says: Dec 2, 2009 1:25 PM

    @ Pervy, thankyou for stating that in your first post. I’ve been saying that every article someone brings this up, people just don’t seem to get it…

  59. meezle says: Dec 2, 2009 1:28 PM

    How is he the best player in the league when he isn’t even the best at his position.
    Chris Johnson is hands down the best running back, followed by mjd then stephen jackson. While ap, who is on my fantasy team, is a highlight waitng to happen, he is uselss in the pass game

  60. Packman1970 says: Dec 2, 2009 1:35 PM

    I heard the blow up too! Typical frustration and
    insecurity of Viking nation spilled all over the twin cities by Allen. The thing is the vikes actually have one heck of a good team this year
    and it all might go for nothing because they got one upped by the saints. You viking fans are angry people for goodness sakes.

  61. footballisking says: Dec 2, 2009 1:36 PM

    Ealier in the week he said Tomlin may take Dixon over Ben..now Peterson should be benched…what a pft week

  62. Island says: Dec 2, 2009 1:38 PM

    OK, let’s compromise.
    Let the Vikings bench both Peterson and Favre for turning over the ball. Full Stop. Nothing more.
    OK then? Want more? Dress them up as drag queens and slap their wrists to the tune of ‘naughty, naughty’.
    Oh, at the same time, kiss their playoff hopes goooooooodbye also.
    Florio,
    On another subject, aren’t you worried about the local Greenpeas chapter kidnapping you in protest for depleting the ozone layer? With all the hairspray you pack on ye should… Also, good to see that you’re not blowing any SBDs (silent but deadlys) lately (ye aren’t rocking from one side of the chair to another…)

  63. puckhoo says: Dec 2, 2009 1:43 PM

    Florio- You have to respond to the posts made earlier regarding the fumbling rates of some of the great all time NFL RBs and how they are higher comparatively to Peterson. Also, your failure to take into account how Peterson’s mere presence opens up huge space for the passing offense is ignorant. The Bears even admitted as much last week, saying they were going to stop Peterson no matter what and make Favre beat them. With all due respect to Chester – he doesn’t warrant that kind of attention.
    If you can “guarantee” that Peterson will fumble at a crucial time in the playoffs, then you should be twice as confident that Manning or Brees will throw a pick at a crucial time in the playoffs. They have twice as many picks as Peterson does fumbles.
    The Texans benched Steve Slaton, and now Kubiak realizes that having his talent on the field as opposed to cast aways like Moats and Brown far offsets the fumbling risk.

  64. CF4L says: Dec 2, 2009 1:45 PM

    Mr. Florio, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone that reads this is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

  65. Guyute says: Dec 2, 2009 1:45 PM

    Florio, Clearly this is why you are not a coach, but some random dude with a blog.
    benching All Day because of a few fumbles? Maby the Colts should bench Manning when he throws a couple interceptions.
    Your agrument wasnt any better on KFAN the other day

  66. puckhoo says: Dec 2, 2009 1:48 PM

    # meezle says: December 2, 2009 1:28 PM
    How is he the best player in the league when he isn’t even the best at his position.
    Chris Johnson is hands down the best running back, followed by mjd then stephen jackson. While ap, who is on my fantasy team, is a highlight waitng to happen, he is uselss in the pass game”
    Jackson – 40 catches, 258 yards
    Johnson – 33 catches, 294 yards, 1 TD
    MJD – 41 catches, 273 yards
    Peterson – 27 catches, 233 yards.
    Useless in the pass game? Really?

  67. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 1:52 PM

    @Skeeter- CincyAllDa Way is a punk don’t acknowledge him
    CincyAllDaWay- You call Favre a pussy yesterday, Vikings fans a bunch of pussies and Bengals will kick our ass??? Laughed at our steeler loss? AD will truck you homos in Cincy.Did you say Benson was better??
    Welcome to the jungle punk,hope some Vikiing vultures are still here to eat your eyes out!
    You got balls, just not in your pants!

  68. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 1:54 PM

    CanadianVikingFan – no problem.Yah,some just don’t get it. Do the lakes have ice up there yet?

  69. shaggeez says: Dec 2, 2009 1:55 PM

    adrian is a good back, but to put him in the same league as backs like walter payton and earl campbell and jim brown is just ridiculous. i guarantee that barring some tragic injuries, chris johnson blows adrian peterson away in terms of career production. chris johnson has around 300 more rushing yards on fewer carries. to even make this case that adrian is the best player in the nfl is a joke. you think chris johnson doesnt face a lot of 8 man fronts?

  70. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 2:01 PM

    And didn’t mean in cincy…from cincy. You poor fools get to come to the Dome to get beat up! Have fun with that douche!

  71. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 2:06 PM

    CincyAllDaWay says:
    December 1, 2009 1:57 PM
    Percy…..You guys couldn’t beat Cincy on your best day, as evidenced in your games against the other AFC North champs. AP couldn’t carry Bensons jock. He’ll be luck to get 30 yards againt our defense. And that Geratol eating Farve will cough up at least 3 to 4 picks after he picks his own ass up off the ground a few times! You guys are by far the MOST over rated team in the NFL right now. You’ve only played 2 decent teams in PITT and BALT. You lost 1 and had the other handed to you. Farve was on the sideline getting ready to write his next retirement speak just before BALT shanked that field goal. You guys are going down Dude!!
    I guess you could use your showing against the Steelers and Ravens. The difference is we lost and took it like men and moved on to the next one. You punks lost and have pissed, moaned, and cried and blamed everything on the refs. If that pussy QB of yours had made a tackle when he had the chance you guys might have been in that game. It looked like he was trying to jerk him off instead of trying to stop him. Typical purple punk losers.
    ===================================
    Diner is served…have at the bitch!

  72. Twiz says: Dec 2, 2009 2:26 PM

    I just thought of/realized something……
    The title of this blog is Bench Adrian Peterson? PFTV makes the case
    If Lord Florio argued in a courtroom, used the same type logic he used in the video and in his discussion on KFAN, it seems to me to be pretty obvious why he doesn’t practice law any longer…….He was worthless!!!

  73. lskynard87 says: Dec 2, 2009 2:29 PM

    I agree with Florio.. Sitting him just for a short term just to get it through.
    Except my argument is that Chester Taylor is a VERY good runningback, so thought not as highlight reel’ish, he’s very consistent and plays smart.
    That’s tough to defend against this late in the season.
    Let Peterson rest up and learn high and tight. Tiki needed it, Slaton needed it, as of late, that method of benching for learning works.
    All those great RB’s that fumbled, beside Payton, had gaudy stats, but no Rings.
    Florio and real Vikings know, we need to keep an eye on possible errors, but also… like Andersons missed FG…. the expect the unexpected.
    Playoffs Peterson may not fumble, Favre may not throw picks… but something may happen.

  74. purplejesus28 says: Dec 2, 2009 2:42 PM

    I was surprised to hear no mention of how sitting AD would grossly effect the passing game. The biggest reason Favre should win MVP this season is because he is picking apart single coverage while defenses commit 7-8-9 guys in the box to stop AD. I love that Chester Taylor can come in against a base defense and help move the ball but the team is less explosive with him on the field. I think that people who point to AD as being overrated because his numbers are down, do not realize that the passing game is much more fluid now with a capable QB. If you look at the stats, you’ll find something else too. Some of the rush defenses the Vikings have played are among the best in the league right now. Five games already against the top 6 rush teams, with Cincy still yet to play next week and the fact that we can’t play ourselves. I do agree that he fumbles too much but that is because I know its an easy fix that starts with coaching. The front office should hire Tiki Barber (or whoever it was that fixed his issues) for the rest of the season to focus on the problem. “Here’s two million dollars. Everytime he fumbles, you pay us back $250,000.” Then in the bask of the Super Bowl glow, you extend his contract (which needs to get done) and include a bonus of $500 per rushing attempt with a penatly of $5,000 for every ball on the turf and $10,000 for every fumble lost. Money is the biggest motivator. Sitting him would just be stupid.

  75. Bob Nelson says: Dec 2, 2009 2:42 PM

    Benching the league’s most fumbling running back should be a no brainer.

  76. DuluthFan says: Dec 2, 2009 2:55 PM

    I am a Vikings fan…
    There are a few Vikings fans on this board (and in general, as are there for every other NFL team) that spew crap out of their mouths and sound pathetic. I think every “good fan” wished those “fans” didn’t exist, but they do.
    Taking those fans aside, are there really any “good fans” that sincerely think AD sucks or that the Vikings team sucks? I know some are giving them their credit, but I am surprised byt he number of posters are hammering on the Vikings, both the teram and their fanbase. I am as loyal a Vikings fan as their is…through 0 Super Bowls and the infamous ’98 season, among other tough times.
    So as a loyal fan of the Vikings, can someone explain to me why there is so much hate spewed at the Vikings this year (and most every year)? Some could be attributed to jealousy, I suppose…and maybe that is the only reason.
    This is not meant for you “good fans” of all teams out there. I LOVE football!!!

  77. jeff says: Dec 2, 2009 3:14 PM

    shaggeez says:
    December 2, 2009 1:55 PM
    adrian is a good back, but to put him in the same league as backs like walter payton and earl campbell and jim brown is just ridiculous. i guarantee that barring some tragic injuries, chris johnson blows adrian peterson away in terms of career production. chris johnson has around 300 more rushing yards on fewer carries. to even make this case that adrian is the best player in the nfl is a joke. you think chris johnson doesnt face a lot of 8 man fronts?
    ===================================
    And AllDay out rushed him last year by 500 yards you tool!
    Do you understand the team concept of the game?
    Berrian, Harvin, Rice Shiancoe( your welcome) Taylor and ALL DAY have to get their touches!
    Favre passing the ball is creating less chances for him to rush the ball.
    What do the titans have besides Johnson? Nada.
    On a side note: Thanks to Pervy, I’ve found my asshat of the day award winner: Cincyalldaway!
    ———————————————
    PervyHarvin says:
    December 2, 2009 2:06 PM
    CincyAllDaWay says:
    December 1, 2009 1:57 PM
    Percy…..You guys couldn’t beat Cincy on your best day, as evidenced in your games against the other AFC North champs. AP couldn’t carry Bensons jock. He’ll be luck to get 30 yards againt our defense. And that Geratol eating Farve will cough up at least 3 to 4 picks after he picks his own ass up off the ground a few times! You guys are by far the MOST over rated team in the NFL right now. You’ve only played 2 decent teams in PITT and BALT. You lost 1 and had the other handed to you. Farve was on the sideline getting ready to write his next retirement speak just before BALT shanked that field goal. You guys are going down Dude!!
    I guess you could use your showing against the Steelers and Ravens. The difference is we lost and took it like men and moved on to the next one. You punks lost and have pissed, moaned, and cried and blamed everything on the refs. If that pussy QB of yours had made a tackle when he had the chance you guys might have been in that game. It looked like he was trying to jerk him off instead of trying to stop him. Typical purple punk losers.
    ===================================
    Diner is served…have at the bitch!
    ——————————————
    Not only did they lose to the raiders, they came close to losing to the Browns twice!
    But what you get the award for is for the ridiculous comment on Benson and All Day.
    There is so much more to pick apart, but, to what end, to call you a tool would be insulting to tools.
    Congrats Cincy= Asshat of the Day!! here’s your award.
    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2041/2127144065_606f93324f.jpg

  78. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 3:21 PM

    People that try and distinguish a “real” fan or a”good” fan are the people that Vikings really don’t need around. Just like a real football team,their are many personalities. The “highly outspoken” receivers per say, the “analytical” linemen or the “Stat studying” corner back.Some don’t make logical points,but hey,they still back the only important factor,The Minnesota Vikings.
    Some talk trash,some make low key comments,some a lil of both. I welcome all to the Viking fan base. When one fan of the same team believes he is some how “better” than the other,that is where the real “schism ” starts. Enough said.

  79. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 2, 2009 3:28 PM

    Will that be the offial award from now on jeff? Do you know who won the turd contest?

  80. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 3:28 PM

    @ jeff I can’t stop laughing! That award is a thing of beauty. I know there were many in the running,but he was a great Asshat of the Day winner.Glad I could assist! Keep up the good work. Awesome picture lol

  81. Packman1970 says: Dec 2, 2009 3:35 PM

    Pervy you have to be the biggest goofnutted cocky Queer fan on here other then the guy that screams THIS IS OUR YEAR every post. The queers are good but not that good. Get over the Vikings. Tired of it. You and your fellow “fans” cannot even sell out your stadium with out a blackout extension. Stick that up your butt and smoke it.

  82. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 3:49 PM

    @ Packman1970-
    That all you got? LOL ” Up your butt and smoke it?” I would let you have it but I could be arrested for assaulting a minor. I state hard facts,you son are mere fiction. Go away,you don’t really exist in my world.

  83. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 2, 2009 3:51 PM

    jeff must not have watched or been able to watch the video because the way Florio essentially says on both his video and on the KFAN podcast that the vikings will definitely choke again I was certain asshat of the day was going to Mike Florio.

  84. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 3:58 PM

    @ CincyAllDaWay -
    Don’t come on a Viking thread lying through your teeth in an attempt to kiss Viking ass. You Cincy fans were the total asses yesterday. I said nothing about Zimmer or the family and you know it! Was a take on defense and respectful at that. You nut jobs used it as an excuse to fight on Zimmers thread,you were the turds. Can’t wait to hammer Bengals ass,now move along,you think you will find support here?? Best go recruit Packer idiots,at least they may believe you! I know plenty that seen my post, try to convince them of your bullshit ASSHAT! Great call jeff!

  85. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 4:02 PM

    The article was about Zimmers top defense.We play you. I said we would expose it. Take all that other stuff in the article and shove it punk! I’m here to talk football,not problems you or your cordinators are dealing with. Move along.

  86. jeff says: Dec 2, 2009 4:12 PM

    As far as i know the turd contest has a month to go yet, I’m assuming you can still mail your turds to Supersuckers, I will be able to get the info needed for anyone that is interested.
    Yes the Asshat of the day will be a regular weekday occurence barring unforseen circumstances ( illness, vacation etc.) I will hand it out in the 2-3 CST area( M-TH)
    On fridays, I will crown an asshat of the week, and on the last day of the month, I will crown the asshat of the month.
    I will keep a running record of the winners and will have an asshat of the year award.
    Thanks for the help Pervy, that is open to all, If you see a post that is dumb as shit, find me on a thread and point it out to me.
    Burgess, I didn’t get to see it, no, but if florio says its so, you can pretty much disregard it.
    He’s looking for site hits and he’s getting them.
    Pervy, yes, you do know who I am…you thought you did on another thread, it’s me!
    Damn PC police!
    Again, if you see cincyalltheway congrat him being the 1st “official” asshat of the day winner and for getting the 1st strike in the asshat of the week event!

  87. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 4:16 PM

    CincyAllDaWay says:
    December 2, 2009 3:29 PM
    You punks lost and have pissed, moaned, and cried and blamed everything on the refs.Typical purple punk losers.
    If I’ve offended any other Vikes fan I do apologize, that was not my intent
    ————————————————–See how utterly insane you are?Contradict yourself much? Now enough,take your fairy catfight elsewhere!

  88. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 2, 2009 4:16 PM

    I went and looked at the thread and Pervy is correct. Hedidn’t really say anythign offensive and the one questionable remark he took back. This Cincy guy deserves the award now. Not Florio.

  89. 4ever says: Dec 2, 2009 4:18 PM

    I believe that Bevell is right on in saying that the major problem contributing to AP’s fumbling the ball is the very thing that makes him so effective and hard to stop. He simply WILL NOT give up, curl into a ball and go down, but rather he kicks, scratches and claws for every additional inch. This gives tacklers more time to rake and swat at the ball: BUT, in an amazingly high percentage of cases it also results in his breaking loose for a long gain. Is anyone really sure that he should make a major change in that running style?

  90. 4ever says: Dec 2, 2009 4:36 PM

    Brett Favre has played with some pretty fair running backs including Dorsey Levins and Ahman Green. I’ll take his word that he’s never seen one better than AP. Green always had tendencies to fumble and then started thin rubber sleeves on his forearms, which seemed to help.
    I think Peterson is already upset enough about the problem and I’d question that “bench punishment” is the answer.

  91. 4ever says: Dec 2, 2009 4:37 PM

    Brett Favre has played with some pretty fair running backs including Dorsey Levins and Ahman Green. I’ll take his word that he’s never seen one better than AP. Green always had tendencies to fumble and then started wearing thin rubber sleeves on his forearms, which seemed to help.
    I think Peterson is already upset enough on his own about the problem and I’d question that “bench punishment” is the answer.

  92. shabadoooo says: Dec 2, 2009 4:45 PM

    He is not over-rated. He simply makes a big mistake once every two or three games.
    I think you should bench him a game. or a half.
    But I’d wonder how that would affect the chemistry of the team. Benching Adrian Peterson would not sit well with some.
    All in all, ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. he still makes up for the lost fumbles.

  93. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 4:50 PM

    @ jeff-Will do, be hard to top Cincy but we know they are out there! Is there an award for finding the most asshats in the month? lol
    @Mr. Burgess – I appreciate your honesty. I do talk shit and even attack when provoked but to make light of a mans dead wife and motherless children is not my style. Thats low. The whole Bengal fanbase deserved the Asshat yesterday!
    @4ever- Good point you made there. We don’t want him to lose ANY of what makes him AD. I hear you.

  94. DuluthFan says: Dec 2, 2009 5:02 PM

    PervyHarvin…dude, we are on the same side. I did not say I was “better” than anyother fan. What I am saying it there are plenty of people who just spout off against anyone else just because they like conflict. Every team has ‘em. I did not think of you as one, so chill out.

  95. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 2, 2009 5:06 PM

    Top ten NFL rushers after week 12, ranked by carries per fumble:
    A. Peterson – 1 fumble every 38 carries
    M. Turner – 1 fumble every 44 carries
    D. Williams – 1 fumble every 66 carries
    T. Jones – 1 fumble every 108 carries
    S. Jackson – 1 fumble every 119 carries
    C. Benson – 1 fumble every 205 carries
    M. Jones-Drew – 1 fumble every 209 carries
    C. Johnson – 1 fumble every 217 carries
    R. Grant – 209 carries, 0 fumbles
    R. Rice – 167 carries, 0 fumbles
    Michael Turner is the only one who comes close to fumbling as often as Peterson. In fact, Matt Cassel is the only player in the league who’s put the ball on the turf (or carpet if you’re playing at MOA field) more than Peterson.

  96. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 2, 2009 5:11 PM

    And this 7, 8, 9 guys in the box stuff is just an excuse. Are you telling me Chris Johnson hasn’t faced 7, 8, 9 guys in the box? Yet he’s putting up more yards per carry, more yards overall and fewer fumbles than Peterson.
    Peterson has Favre to prevent teams from loading up to stop the run. Are Kerry Collins and Vince Young preventing anyone from stacking the line of scrimmage? I don’t think so.

  97. Bob Loblaw says: Dec 2, 2009 5:12 PM

    I admit I haven’tread all 93 comments — been away from the computer — so apologies if this was said already.
    But I find it funny thatteams still are going all out to stop AP, and letting Brett Favre beat them. All Favre is doing it at an MVP rate.
    Bench AP and you have made the job a lot easier on the other team.

  98. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 2, 2009 5:20 PM

    jeff says:
    December 2, 2009 3:14 PM
    And AllDay out rushed him last year by 500 yards you tool!
    Do you understand the team concept of the game?
    Berrian, Harvin, Rice Shiancoe( your welcome) Taylor and ALL DAY have to get their touches!
    Favre passing the ball is creating less chances for him to rush the ball.
    What do the titans have besides Johnson? Nada.
    ——————————-
    This makes no sense at all. Peterson has more carries than Johnson. In fact, only Steven Jackson has more carries than Peterson. He’s getting his.
    And doesn’t the fact that the Titans have no other stars mean Johnson would see more 7, 8 and 9 man fronts than Peterson? Your logic is clouded by your purple-tinted glasses.

  99. mnmaverick says: Dec 2, 2009 5:33 PM

    The run blocking is horrible this year and Tahi is a lousy excuse for a blocking fullback.
    I don’t think benching Adrian makes sense but giving Chester Taylor more carries to mix things up does. Chester is quicker to the holes and more elsuive. Mixing him in more would drive defenses nuts. Adrian is huge, but Chester is smaller and shiftier, much more elusive.
    Adrian just needs to stop one handing the bal;l in traffic. It’s easier to run with your hands on your sides, but he has to be smart and wrap it up in traffic. I’m not sold on the fact he wears gloves. I think your grip is better bare-handed, but that’s just me. When helmets are flying at your hands and guys are clawing away at the ball, gloves might be worth it.

  100. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 5:35 PM

    @ DuluthFan-
    Duly noted. Chill out? lol Hard for me bro. I’m the poster type that counter punches those idiot types you were talking about.I’m under attack constantly. Shitty job,but someone has to stick up for purple pride. Get plenty of help from jeff,hes a mugger lol Glad you didn’t put me in that light, I never fight for nothing.I’m with you,love football.As for the Viking hate that is spewed,think you are right about jealousy. Seems we have a large and loud fan base on PFT also.Notice how some teams seem to have no posters?Weird to me.The we will be SB winners Viking posters piss them off too.I wouldn’t say it but hey,if thats how they feel,by all means post it! See you around Viking Brother!

  101. ras6111 says: Dec 2, 2009 5:57 PM

    Don’t forget you have a ticking interception time bomb in Favre back there too. They could have 10 turnovers in a playoff game.

  102. Beer Cheese Soup says: Dec 2, 2009 7:12 PM

    Hey, look! Supersuck is back, as Burgess. I KNEW he couldn’t just stay away. He’s a lying sack of the same turds he constantly references. Also, in case it wasn’t blatantly obvious to all, it seems Ragnar, I mean Chickenfoot, is now Jeff. What’s up Jeff, did you get banned again?
    As for the article, this is obviously nothing more than an attempt to generate controversy. No one in their right mind would sit a player like Peterson. He needs to work on the fumbles, but making the whole team suffer by not having him isn’t the answer.
    Of course, Childress is pretty far from his right mind though, so we’ll see how this one plays out.

  103. CanadianVikingFan says: Dec 2, 2009 7:27 PM

    @PervyHarvin
    No ice where I am. But it is cold haha.
    I don’t get why everyone says: Favre is due for 4 picks in a game. He doesn’t play completely like that anymore, it’s not some scientific anomaly, where he just starts throwing to DBs. Come on, I thought mankind was smarter than this.

  104. FLORIOSUCKS` says: Dec 2, 2009 7:46 PM

    Ok lets look at it this way. In your profession Florio if you got the hiccups every time you were trying to do an interview would suspending you from interviews do anything. Its not that he doesnt care it just happens. So get over it and talk about Tiger or something cause obviously your bored. Get a job Florio

  105. PervyHarvin says: Dec 2, 2009 8:23 PM

    @ BeerCheeseSoup – Sshhhhhh LOL Would you narc on Peter Parker? Bruce Ward? David Banner? Clark Kent? Mr. Burgess and jeff have very important jobs to do! It’s a matter of PFT security!

  106. jeff says: Dec 2, 2009 9:18 PM

    Adam-Chris Scheftersen says:
    December 2, 2009 5:20 PM
    jeff says:
    December 2, 2009 3:14 PM
    And AllDay out rushed him last year by 500 yards you tool!
    Do you understand the team concept of the game?
    Berrian, Harvin, Rice Shiancoe( your welcome) Taylor and ALL DAY have to get their touches!
    Favre passing the ball is creating less chances for him to rush the ball.
    What do the titans have besides Johnson? Nada.
    ——————————-
    This makes no sense at all. Peterson has more carries than Johnson. In fact, only Steven Jackson has more carries than Peterson. He’s getting his.
    And doesn’t the fact that the Titans have no other stars mean Johnson would see more 7, 8 and 9 man fronts than Peterson? Your logic is clouded by your purple-tinted glasses.
    ===============================
    2taperedshitterson:
    Peterson would be getting more attempts w/o Favre there. For you to not know that they are STILL stacking the box on Peterson, doesn’t suprise me, you’ve shown your ignorance time and again on this site.
    I din’t ever say they wern’t doing that to Johnson. i never said Johnson wasn’t good either. Nobody seems to realize that Peterson has a bad abkle, has had for 4 weeks, nah that isn’t slowing him down, he’s only 3rd in the Nfl in rushing……
    Adam,
    Poop,feces, caca, doo doo, turds, shit.
    Didn’t want to leave you without saying that

  107. SmackMyVickUp says: Dec 2, 2009 11:22 PM

    The problem Peterson has is he still carries the ball off to his side in his hand after contact.
    Clay Mathews fumble against GB and Hillenmeyer fumble in Chicago, he was fighting for yards and they just ripped it out.
    Seems simple enough to have him tuck it into his body before and during contact, his arm strength beats his hand strength and he’ll have leverage with his body.
    It will be exploited in the playoffs.

  108. SkeeterK says: Dec 3, 2009 12:55 AM

    This is such an ignorant premise. 5 lost fumbles is nothing when you take into account the positives AD offers the Vikings.
    1.) As good as Favre, Rice and Harvin are, opposing defenses game-plan around AD, opening up the passing game.
    2.) AD runs you into the ground. The Vikings build a lead with solid offense and defense and AD gives you a closer when it comes to running out the clock in the 4th quarter. All 5 of AD’s lost fumbles were in the 1st half – 3 in the first quarter.
    3. AD leads the NFL in rushing first downs, by a pretty wide margain.
    4. AD is second in the NFL in rushing touchdowns.
    5. AD is second in the NFL in 20+ yard rushes.
    6. AD is third in the NFL in rushing yards per game.
    7. When you have a defense that ranks in the top 8 in scoring defense and yardage, and you have an offense that ranks #2 in scoring offense and #5 in yardage, you can both expect AND afford to have a marquis RB who loses a fumble 5 times in 11 games.

  109. Tompadre says: Dec 3, 2009 7:49 AM

    Totally agree they need to get thru to AD to protect the ball better upon anticipating contact )(including your own players, should anyone remember the fumble he had last year agianst the Falcons when McKinnie knocked it loose).
    However, take into consideration the following HOF runningbacks fumbles in a season:
    Payton: 11, 10, 9(2x) 7, 6(3x) 5 (5x) only one season w/less than 5
    J Brown: 9(2x) 7(2x) 6(3x) 5. only one season w/less than 5
    Dickerson: 13, 14, 10(2x) 12, 7, 6, 5(2x)
    Sayers: 9,8,7(2x)
    M Allen: 14, 8, 7, 5(2x) 4(2x)
    Dorsett: 12(2x) 10, 9, 8, 7(2x) 6(2x) 5(2x)
    Simpson: 8, 7(3x) 6(3x) 5(2x) only 2 years w/less than 5
    T Thomas: 9, 7, 6(4x) 5
    B Sanders: 10, 6, 5 4(2x)
    E Campbell: 10, 9, 8, 4(3x)
    E Smith: 8, 7(2x) 6, 5(2x) 4(3x)
    F Harris: 11, 10(2x) 9(2x) 8(2x) 7(2x) 6
    Using the same criteria he proposes for Peterson, Florio would have benched a dozen HOF runningbacks.
    Adam Chris -
    Just read the other day, someone was analyzing the Titans games, and they mentioned Johnson was not facing the 8-9 man fronts one would expect the defense to be deploying against him.

  110. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 3, 2009 10:05 AM

    jeff says:
    December 2, 2009 9:18 PM
    2taperedshitterson:
    Peterson would be getting more attempts w/o Favre there. For you to not know that they are STILL stacking the box on Peterson, doesn’t suprise me, you’ve shown your ignorance time and again on this site.
    I din’t ever say they wern’t doing that to Johnson. i never said Johnson wasn’t good either. Nobody seems to realize that Peterson has a bad abkle, has had for 4 weeks, nah that isn’t slowing him down, he’s only 3rd in the Nfl in rushing……
    Adam,
    Poop,feces, caca, doo doo, turds, shit.
    Didn’t want to leave you without saying that
    ——————————-
    Yes, he would be getting more attempts without Favre. Then is it your contention that he’d average MORE yards per carry if he were getting the ball more? On a bad ankle?
    Then I guess he’d fumble the ball more as well.
    I’m not saying they’re not stacking the box. It was you, first as Fagnar, then as chickendick, who said Favre would prevent teams from stacking the box. You also said Favre would only need to pass the ball 15-20 times a game and handoff to Peterson. Funny thing about your predictions–none of them come true.
    Anyway, if Peterson is, as many of your purple-tinged brethren have said, the best player in the league then it wouldn’t matter if other teams stacked the box. Clearly it hasn’t affected Chris Johnson or Steven Jackson. But Peterson’s average per carry is DOWN from last season and the only tangible changes on offense are: Favre in replacement of Frerotte/Jackson and Harvin in place of… Who was it? Bobby Wade?
    So make up your mind. Did Favre’s arrival prevent teams from stacking the box and open up running lanes for Peterson, as you all said it would? Or were you wrong? And has Favre only needed to pass the ball 15 times a game? Or were you also wrong about that?
    I could go on all day bringing up shit you’ve been wrong about.
    Which reminds me… I’m looking at NFL.com for Troy Aikman’s efficiency ratings and I’m not seeing them. You said they were thinking about using those to replace their rankings. Any word on that? You never answered my questions about that months ago.
    Now I’ll expect you to reply with several poop comments. That is your level.

  111. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 3, 2009 10:30 AM

    @ Tompadre:
    I haven’t seen any Titans games, but that certainly runs counter to any logic. Johnson’s really their only threat. In spite of Vince Young’s 380 yards passing last week, Vince doesn’t scare anyone when he’s standing in the pocket. No one. So you load up the box, try to keep Young in the pocket and make him beat you with his arm or make him and Johnson run through your 8-9 man fronts.
    One other thing. Almost all of the HOF backs listed in your post are from an earlier era. Guys like Jim Brown, Franco Harris and Eric Dickerson may not have lost carries due to fumbling.. But guys like Ahman Green DID.
    You’re comparing apples to oranges by bringing up guys who played 20-50 years ago. QBs didn’t commonly pass for 300 yards a game 40 years ago. Does that mean that a guy like Matt Schaub would dominate the league in an earlier era? No, it just means the game has changed.
    When you look at recent Hall of Fame or Pro Bowl players you have a better comparison. Here’s a modest example of that:
    B. Sanders – 75 carries per fumble
    E. Smith – 72 carries per fumble
    L. Tomlinson – 104 carries per fumble
    M. Faulk – 79 carries per fumble
    E. George – 77 carries per fumble
    C. Martin – 121 carries per fumble
    P. Holmes – 111 carries per fumble
    A. Peterson – 44 carries per fumble
    And remember that several of those guys (like Tomlinson, Faulk and Martin) also caught a hell of a lot more passes than Peterson. That means even more touches than I’ve accounted for in my “carries per fumble” calculation. Peterson’s fumbling sticks out like a sore thumb in this comparison.
    But keep in mind these are career numbers I’m looking at. Most RBs have more fumbles in their first few seasons and somewhat correct the issue going forward. It remains to be seen if Peterson’s going to do that.

  112. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 3, 2009 11:07 AM

    No chickenfoot/jeff today??? I bet he’s up in the cities at the save the vikes rally!! LMAO!

  113. jeff says: Dec 3, 2009 11:13 AM

    Mr. Shitterson:
    It is my contention that the more carries he would have, it would stand to reason he’d have more yards. You are so fascinated with stats, ypc and such, ..who cares? He’s got 12 tds.
    So his ypc is down, he doesn’t have as many yards as Johnson or Jackson.
    Last I looked, the Vikes are 10-1 the Titans are 5-6 and the Rams are circling the bottom of the toilet bowl!
    I’d say 3rd in the league and on a bad ankle isn’t to bad, but you seem to think he should have 2000 yards already.
    As for the Fave situation and all the surrounding scenarios? Yep, i was wrong. Along with 99.9% of the living world.
    No one could have predicted what Fave is doing right now at 40 years old….NO ONE!
    You’ve been told that Johnson doesn’t have a stacked front against him. I’m sure you watch all the rams games to know that jackson has it done to him too……right!
    I cannot believe i have to defend Peterson when he is at 1100 yards 4.7 ypc and 12 TDS.
    Nope, this isn’t the Vikes team I expected, I don’t think anyone did. They are game planning to stop Peterson, hes still 3rd in the league in rushing, Favre is the top rated QB and he’s making them pay.
    Yep. I was wrong. Happily wrong. I like this version of the Vikes a hell of alot better than the ball control one I envisioned.
    Just because I said they were thinking about using them, do you think they are going to implement thame mid season? Really?!
    yeah, you probably do.
    I have a question for you.
    If you fart in the woods, and nobody is there to hear it, is it still funny?

  114. purplejesus28 says: Dec 3, 2009 11:54 AM

    @ Packman1970. really? what’s up with putting things up the butt? don’t you get enough of that in fudge-PACKER land?
    @Adam-Chris Scheftersen. thanks for at least attempting to use logic in your reasoning. unfortunately it is incorrect. the 7-9 man box is effective against runners like AD who are usually used as North-South runners (into the scrum if you will, and everyone knows Chilli runs him into the 1 and 3 hole more than needed). CJ gets his outside the tackles, I’ve actually watched some of the Titans games. It’s also more difficult to put so many in the box with a running threat at QB who usually prefers the outside as well. That is why CJ is averaging something like 140yds+ since Young has stepped in.

  115. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 3, 2009 11:58 AM

    beer cheese soup says,
    Hey, look! Supersuck is back, as Burgess. I KNEW he couldn’t just stay away. He’s a lying sack of the same turds he constantly references. Also, in case it wasn’t blatantly obvious to all, it seems Ragnar, I mean Chickenfoot, is now Jeff. What’s up Jeff, did you get banned again?
    As for the article, this is obviously nothing more than an attempt to generate controversy. No one in their right mind would sit a player like Peterson. He needs to work on the fumbles, but making the whole team suffer by not having him isn’t the answer.
    Of course, Childress is pretty far from his right mind though, so we’ll see how this one plays out.
    ——
    What do you think about this Jeff?

  116. onlineinsite says: Dec 3, 2009 12:07 PM

    The stats posted by some of you tell the story of most great running backs.
    Also, today’s defenses have strategies designed only to hold up a runner like AD so to strip the ball. Although this “can” work, the flip side is that some of these become arm tackles and AD breaks them for big gains.
    AD would we smart to analyze his film and understand where he fumbles most often. Robert Smith did this after getting constantly injured during his first 3 years. He found that his injuries were coming from trying to stay inbounds for an extra yard or so. Once he committed to stop trying to pick up meaningless yards, his injuries went away. I think AD could copy this, and without changing his savage running style, just learn that there are certain times he needs to go down or out of bounds to avoid fumbles. I think he will, but he’s still young.

  117. jeff says: Dec 3, 2009 12:10 PM

    I think I am Chickenfoot/ Ragnar.
    I don’t know you from a hole in the wall though.
    I thought I did. But I’ve talked to Super offline and he is absolutely disgusted with this site.
    That’s ok , Super is a ball sucking democrat anyway!

  118. launcher says: Dec 3, 2009 12:42 PM

    I just listened to your exchange with Paul Allen on KFAN.
    Florio – you are a complete turd.

  119. Mr. Burgess says: Dec 3, 2009 12:49 PM

    Well done Adam!! You owned Jeff there. He will get you back though mr twotapperedshityerself.

  120. jeff says: Dec 3, 2009 1:22 PM

    Owned? Really?
    Not so much. I’m sure you knew Favre was going to play at NVP caliber? I said in the preseason, they didn’t NEED that from him. That he’s doing it is a huge bonus.
    You take what the defense gives you, Favre is making them pay. AD is still getting his yards.
    The only thing i admitted to being wrong about is that i thought we’d be more ball control, like the 1st few games. I didn’t think favre had 24- 3 tds-ints in him and I didn’t think Childress would allow the offense to be opened up like he has.
    I love the results to this and for that, I’m glad i was wrong.
    Adam”stats”mailshisshitterson:
    I’m tired of your shit talk, you are nothing but a turd. I bet your favorite candy is feces pieces.
    Well , enough of this crap.
    POOP!!

  121. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 3, 2009 1:45 PM

    More of the same from jeff/Fagnar/chickenshit. Poop, poop, poop. If he isn’t talking about shit, his words still are worth shit.
    What’s the matter, Fagnar? No time to try to find a decent fumbling RB from this decade? Or last decade?
    I’m not saying Peterson sucks. I’m not saying he should have 2000 yards by now. I’m simply saying all you idiots who predicted how Favre was going to open things up for Peterson were patently wrong. He’s dynamite in the open field. And he’s a fumbler. And he’s injury-prone. But make no mistake about it–I’d still take him.
    So where’s the link about Aikman’s efficiency ratings? Where can we find them? Where HAS ANYONE (other than your dumb ass) said the NFL is considering using them? Put up or shut up, dipshit.

  122. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 3, 2009 1:51 PM

    purplejesus28 says:
    December 3, 2009 11:54 AM
    @Adam-Chris Scheftersen. thanks for at least attempting to use logic in your reasoning. unfortunately it is incorrect. the 7-9 man box is effective against runners like AD who are usually used as North-South runners (into the scrum if you will, and everyone knows Chilli runs him into the 1 and 3 hole more than needed). CJ gets his outside the tackles, I’ve actually watched some of the Titans games. It’s also more difficult to put so many in the box with a running threat at QB who usually prefers the outside as well. That is why CJ is averaging something like 140yds+ since Young has stepped in.
    ————————–
    Funny that I find myself debating this with someone clearly as objective as yourself, purplejesus28… But allow me to poke holes in your argument. Chris Johnson is averaging 160 yards per game since Vince Young stepped in. And he averaged 99 yards per game prior to Vince coming back. That seems to back up your argument–until you go a step further and look at the carries.
    He’s averaging 24.5 carries a game since Vince came back. He averaged 15.8 carries a game while Kerry Collins was playing. His average per carry has increased slightly, from 6.3 yards to 6.6 yards per carry. But the biggest difference is in the number of times they’re giving him the ball. And that’s because Vince Young, generally speaking, can’t pass his way out of a wet paper bag.
    If you’d like to argue Johnson’s average per carry has increased 1/3 of a yard because of Vince’s presence, I’ll give you that. But I’ll say that his average per game has increased 60 yards because he’s getting more carries.

  123. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 3, 2009 1:52 PM

    And purplejesus, careful what you say about logic. There are those here who don’t take kindly to folks who use “facts” or “logic” in their posts.

  124. jeff says: Dec 3, 2009 2:10 PM

    Google them moron.
    It’s all at your fingetips.
    All I said id that they were considering using them. i didn’t ever say they were implementing them in 09, did I?
    Statterson: The way they are ranked now is by yardage alone. That isn’t a very good indicator of how well a team is playing. Too many variables for just yards alone.
    I figured you’d be all over that statboy.
    I keep talking poop because it irritates y0u to no end.
    I’d like to know where all this hostility and namecalling is coming from?
    I’m calm and rational with you, yet you have to be so violently angry in your posts.
    Are you constipated? Have the screaming meemies?
    Does you ass itch from not wiping good enough?
    Are you disappointed because I wouldn’t accept your parcel of poop in the mail?
    Sorry pal, I don’t take shit from anybody!!

  125. Supersuckers says: Dec 3, 2009 2:33 PM

    Doubletapperedtwinsplashwithmyshiterson,
    Told ya he’d get you back!

  126. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 3, 2009 3:43 PM

    jeff says:
    December 3, 2009 2:10 PM
    Google them moron.
    It’s all at your fingetips.
    All I said id that they were considering using them. i didn’t ever say they were implementing them in 09, did I?
    Statterson: The way they are ranked now is by yardage alone. That isn’t a very good indicator of how well a team is playing. Too many variables for just yards alone.
    I figured you’d be all over that statboy.
    I keep talking poop because it irritates y0u to no end.
    I’d like to know where all this hostility and namecalling is coming from?
    I’m calm and rational with you, yet you have to be so violently angry in your posts.
    Are you constipated? Have the screaming meemies?
    Does you ass itch from not wiping good enough?
    Are you disappointed because I wouldn’t accept your parcel of poop in the mail?
    Sorry pal, I don’t take shit from anybody!!
    ——————————
    I have googled them. Your turn.
    Your poopy talk doesn’t bother me. It just shows what your level of competence is.
    You’re not going to even attempt to debate my post about the fumbles? You’re just accepting the fact that Peterson fumbles more than any other good backs in recent history?

  127. jeff says: Dec 3, 2009 3:56 PM

    Yeah, so what is your freaking point on that?
    Who cares? he’s got 5 fumbles, they are 10-1..he didn’t turn the ball over in the loss, looks as if it doesn’t matter……..
    What point are you trying to make?
    That he has more fumble than anyone? Great job!
    What a turdburglar you are.

  128. purplejesus28 says: Dec 3, 2009 4:11 PM

    @Adam-Chris Scheftersen. my post was objective, I didn’t say AD doesn’t fumble or is a better back. I stated that CJ doesn’t face the same 7-9 man fronts he does. That is fact, if you had seen a good amount of film from any of the Titans games, you can see it. I also don’t argue that CJ’s carries have gone up as well which helps in his increased yardage. This usually does happen when a team plays with a lead more often (even in more close games as it keeps the defense honest). That can also be attributed to the improved defense that is getting its feet back under them. But from a football idealogy, more in the box makes it easier for him to run. That is why they do not face as many man in the box. If he had 8 or 9 guys there, VY would pitch it outside to him for 20+ yard runs all day. Thanks for doing the math homework, though you sound like you may not be as objective, stats are the best form of logic.

  129. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 3, 2009 6:11 PM

    I didn’t say your post wasn’t objective. I implied that you weren’t. Based on your username.
    But that’s something you could debate with someone equally as objective, like lightbluejesus28 or something. Or if we went the TMQ route, flamingthumbtackjesus28.

  130. purplejesus28 says: Dec 3, 2009 6:55 PM

    Oh, I wasn’t objective when it came to breaking down football strategy and when, where, and why a crowded box would be used? Sorry. Go enjoy some ESPN, your username implies you can’t get enough of two men who can only talk about the sport rather than play it.

  131. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 3, 2009 10:49 PM

    But if I came up with the username “Sweetness34″ I’d be much more knowledgeable… Right?

  132. purplejesus28 says: Dec 3, 2009 11:17 PM

    no. but if you understood more about football and were able to watch the teams you were trying to disect, then maybe a little more knowledgable. the teams I have a particular interest have no bearing on my football acumen.

  133. Tompadre says: Dec 4, 2009 7:35 AM

    Damn I hate working nights, it takes me too long to respond.
    Adam Chris -
    The last time I checked the potential damage from a fumble 20, 30 and even 50 years ago is the same as it is today. My point was Florio wants to bench Peterson because of the possible damage he can cause his team, and that possible damage was also true with those HOF RBs, so by Florio’s logic they too would have deserved benching.
    I never said Peterson’s fumbling wasn’t a concern or it wasn’t a lot. As a matter of fact I lead with a statement indicating the opposite. But since I was using HOF RBs as guideline that fumbling clearly doesn’t always derail a great career, it would only stand to reason I would be picking players who haven’t played in awhile – they must be retired for at least 5 years to begin with. It’s a risk-reward factor, and Peterson’s reward, as it was with those Hall of Famers, far exceeds the risk, as most believed it did with Favre all those years.
    One other thing, take a look at my list again – it has two of the players you listed as well (E Smith & B Sanders). As you point out, many players fumble early in their careers and straighten it out later. That is another reason why you don’t bench Peterson.

  134. J.Cannon says: Dec 6, 2009 6:07 PM

    Bench AD
    Child Please!

  135. Akshun says: Dec 13, 2009 4:51 PM

    FLORIO YOU ARE AN IDIOT FOR EVEN THINKING ABOUT THIS YET BEING DUMB ENOUGH TO PUT IT IN PRINT JUST SHOWS HOW STUPID YOU ARE AND YOUR REAL LACK OF FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE.. JUST QUIT AND LET SOMEONE ELSE TAKEOVER..

  136. el grego says: Dec 19, 2009 1:31 AM

    Perhaps if there wasn’t this double standard on blowing the play dead when forward progress is stopped for every other back in the league, but A.D. gets 4 to 5 guys taking him backwards 4 yards and the refs must have the whistle stuck up their asses because that is when 50% of his fumbles have occurred. Case in point, the first game vs G.B. when Matthews stripped the ball as A.D. was being driven back. Next game vs G.B. Ryan Grant is at the line of scrimmage struggling to get a yard when he fumbles. But, lo and behold, the play was blown dead. Come on!!

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