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Vikings begin holding Peterson accountable for fumbles

We suggested earlier this week, despite being called idiots and worse because of it, that the Minnesota Vikings eventually should consider benching running back Adrian Peterson in response to his inability to consistently hold onto the football.

Our contention that Peterson should find himself sitting down while the rest of the offense is playing arises from the reality that, without true accountability, Peterson will never make a meaningful effort to secure the football.  (And it’s obvious that he doesn’t; he loosely cradles it against his forearm and he seems to lack the ability to recognize when wrap it up with both arms.  Given his legendary hand strength, if he were to properly secure the ball when defenders are trying to rip it out, Peterson never would lose it.)

Lo and behold, the Vikings have made it clear this week to Peterson that, if the ball keeps bouncing on the ground, he’ll be benched.

The simple message to Peterson from running backs coach Eric Bieniemy?  “Your issues have become our issues.”

“If I continue to fumble the ball, especially now in this stretch, I’m
sure I’ll be sitting on the sideline
and that’s something I definitely
don’t want to do,” Peterson said Thursday, per Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star Tribune.  “So [I'll] take care of the
ball.”

Though coach Brad Childress has unconditionally supported Peterson, the coach realizes the value of accountability.

“It’s good that those kind of thoughts hover around every now and then,” Childress said Thursday, regarding Peterson’s remarks.

As Bieniemy explains it, Peterson’s potential path to the pine is paved with good intentions.

“He’s in the crowd fighting for yards, and he’s so determined at trying
to fight to get that extra inch or two.  I told him, ‘You have to
surrender at times.  Protect the ball, be aware of it and, hey, you’ve
got to go down.’  Because that’s all that matters at the end of the day. 
I could care less how many yards you get, how many blocks you make, how
many catches.  If you don’t protect the ball, we don’t win the game.  So
we’ve got to protect it.”

Bieniemy also pointed out that opponents are now specifically attacking the ball when Peterson is running, standing him up and ripping the ball out.

Peterson knows it.  And he says he’ll try to correct it.

“I’m just going to start being more aware of putting two hands on the ball and going down at times,” Peterson said.

Still, one week of pep talks and film study won’t likely reverse years of habit and instinct.  Eventually, the Vikings might have to find out whether an ongoing failure to treat the ball like it’s a box of donuts at a fat farm requires Peterson to ponder his performance while watching someone else in purple carrying the football.

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  1. LBPACKFAN says: Dec 4, 2009 8:35 AM

    What a pussy. Oh yeah, lets praise this guy…”ohhhh, he runs SOOOO hard and runs over people” …. doesnt really matter when you don’t have the pigskin in your hands. Kevin Smith, Ryan Grant and even Forte….much better than AP.

  2. lskynard87 says: Dec 4, 2009 8:36 AM

    Not sure if it’s coincidence or what, but my first post in awhile, earlier this week, was the suggestion of benching Peterson for C. Taylor for accountability reasons.
    Interesting thought patterns Mr. Florio.

  3. ken hawk says: Dec 4, 2009 8:37 AM

    Rumor is he put in some extra time for film study but kept dropping the tapes.

  4. Fan_Of_ Four says: Dec 4, 2009 8:37 AM

    Let me guess, you idiots and worse are taking credit for the Vikings taking action ?
    If you need somebody to come over and widen your doorways so they accommodate your over sized heads drop me a line. I’ll be over with my Sawzall to make it work.

  5. Felcus says: Dec 4, 2009 8:40 AM

    He’ll figure it out. Nothing to see here. Move along…

  6. rydendonkeys says: Dec 4, 2009 8:41 AM

    lmao at Eric Bienemy talking about holding onto the football!!!!!
    Guy was instant fumble!

  7. GBP says: Dec 4, 2009 8:46 AM

    (I fumble) All Day. Hahaha.

  8. HockeyGuy1011 says: Dec 4, 2009 8:48 AM

    YA YA YA!! Florio, how good does it feel to think, that after all this screaming and whining, something you actual complained about is coming to fruition! Guess what though, I bet the Minnesota brash has NEVER even seen your little mom and pop shop blog, so dont give youself so much credit for “saying this for weeks” about AP. Get over yourself man, you have a little following online, and will NEVER EVER have a tangible impact in the real NFL community, nor will you ever present commendable journalism. It’s pathetic actually…

  9. vikings rule says: Dec 4, 2009 8:49 AM

    None of this matters…. The VIKINGS will be Super Bowl Champs this year because their the greatest team ever and everybody else SUCKS!!! and oh yea…We have Brett Favre

  10. Nevisyakker says: Dec 4, 2009 8:52 AM

    This is a really good kid, but still a kid. He has lived that surreal life of the super athlete that can’t help but shape how he would think, act, and react. His issues aren’t with substance abuse, violence, or making it rain at some low life club. I doubt that he has ever felt that there was anything on a football field that he couldn’t do, so facing a failure, a chink in his armor, a weakness in his game that can’t be tolerated, has got to be tough for him to accept and deal with.
    All his life his strong hands have let him get away with poor ball carrying technique, but not in the NFL where the big sharks swim. He’s going to have to change, but he says he understands that and will do so. It’s good to hear a humble response rather than the usual indignant, “I’m great so get out of my face” that you too often hear from some of the other young players.

  11. Quagmire says: Dec 4, 2009 8:52 AM

    “Given his legendary hand strength”
    Where is the legendary strength, is he good at opening jars?
    Holding onto a football is a good sign of hand strength.
    Having it pulled away from you is not.

  12. TheDPR says: Dec 4, 2009 8:55 AM

    I don’t think the threat of benching is going to do it for a guy with his talents. You have to actually not start him for a game. Letting Chester Taylor take the first handful of snaps isn’t going to hurt the team but it will show AP that the coaches mean business.

  13. Supersuckers says: Dec 4, 2009 8:56 AM

    Very impressive Mke Florio! Nice call!

  14. reo says: Dec 4, 2009 8:58 AM

    Which makes this video quite ironic around the 1min mark
    http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=davidzzz94#p/u/4/ctFK6ApBRV4

  15. bluestree says: Dec 4, 2009 8:58 AM

    A little late in the season to coach up AP on fundamentals. Ball security is something you work on all year. Sounds like a bs job aimed at the press, so they’ll move along….CYA.

  16. Hap says: Dec 4, 2009 9:01 AM

    “He’s the best RB in the league.” My butthe is. I’ll take 15 over him and name them if you’d like.
    Let me know.

  17. Chris Fiorentino says: Dec 4, 2009 9:03 AM

    I think there are alot of subtle ways to make sure AP gets the hint. If he fumbles, sit him out a series or two to think about it. If he fumbles again, sit him for the rest of the game. To not start him, or deactivate him for a game is ludicrous. At worst, he is the second best back in football right now behind C Jack. Fumbles or not, he has the ability to break a play for a touchdown every single time he touches the ball. You don’t sit a guy like that down for a whole game. Taylor is more than capable of playing a series or two if needed, but not a whole game unless Peterson gets hurt.

  18. Free_SeanTaylor says: Dec 4, 2009 9:06 AM

    @ HockeyGuy1011
    By your logic, how pathetic must you be then? To be a dude commenting on such a pathetic blog? That’s gotta be pretty pathetic.

  19. Tony G. says: Dec 4, 2009 9:08 AM

    “LBPACKFAN says:
    December 4, 2009 8:35 AM
    … Kevin Smith, Ryan Grant and even Forte…. much better than AP.”
    This might be one of the dumbest comments I’ve seen on this site in the four years I’ve been following it.

  20. hk94 says: Dec 4, 2009 9:10 AM

    @ LBPACKFAN
    On behalf of packers fans everywhere, please shut up. It’s comments like these that make the Vikings fans on this site so obnoxious.

  21. chunky soupy sales says: Dec 4, 2009 9:10 AM

    if they actually bench Petersen, do you realize how quickly lord Favre would turn into Jake Delhomme ?
    Personally I would live to see that.
    But to think they would ever bench him except for one or two plays is pure fantasy.

  22. bear0402 says: Dec 4, 2009 9:10 AM

    Really LBPACKFAN?
    I like some of that rotten cheese you guys have been eating is affecting your noodle.

  23. whosthisguy says: Dec 4, 2009 9:13 AM

    Take the good with the bad. 3rd Vikes lost 1 game this season and AP didn’t fumble in that game. It hasn’t cost them a game….yet…..

  24. chunky soupy sales says: Dec 4, 2009 9:13 AM

    “Because that’s all that matters at the end of the day. I could care less how many yards you get, how many blocks you make, how many catches. If you don’t protect the ball, we don’t win the game. So we’ve got to protect it.”
    He hasn’t protected it and they have won all but one of their games to this point.
    Logic fail.

  25. Beardoggs says: Dec 4, 2009 9:18 AM

    LBPACKFAN
    Do you even watch football? Any team would put up with the fumbles for 1500 plus yards a season, pretty sure the Bears would, he is one of best RB’s in the leauge

  26. tradebait says: Dec 4, 2009 9:21 AM

    @ LBPACKFAN
    …..Kevin Smith, Ryan Grant and even Forte….much better than AP.
    You only wish you had AP on your feeble team. I’d even go as far as saying you wish you had Chester Taylor. The Vikings back up RB is way better than any of those starters you mentioned.

  27. se18a29 says: Dec 4, 2009 9:21 AM

    LBPACKFAN says:
    December 4, 2009 8:35 AM
    What a pussy. Oh yeah, lets praise this guy…”ohhhh, he runs SOOOO hard and runs over people” …. doesnt really matter when you don’t have the pigskin in your hands. Kevin Smith, Ryan Grant and even Forte….much better than AP.
    Yeah, okay gaypukerfan. Douche…

  28. PervyHarvin says: Dec 4, 2009 9:23 AM

    LBPACKFAN says:
    December 4, 2009 8:35 AM
    What a pussy. Oh yeah, lets praise this guy…”ohhhh, he runs SOOOO hard and runs over people” …. doesnt really matter when you don’t have the pigskin in your hands. Kevin Smith, Ryan Grant and even Forte….much better than AP.
    ===================================
    Hey,kid. This is Ryan Grant. I know Pervy..Will you please STFU ! Not only am I embarrassed by you,but Packer fans everywhere should be. I’m proud to be a pro,but lest get real. I’m not AD and I never will be.
    Peace Bro

  29. jx4cmario1 says: Dec 4, 2009 9:31 AM

    HockeyQueer- Then go away.

  30. longrodvanhungendong says: Dec 4, 2009 9:32 AM

    If the Vikes keep it up, they may be sitting AP the last few games anyway……..

  31. chunky soupy sales says: Dec 4, 2009 9:33 AM

    And for his 9 year career Bieniemy had 1500 yards and 11 td’s, so yea, I can see why he would say stuff like ” yards and Td’s don’t matter”.

  32. jx4cmario1 says: Dec 4, 2009 9:37 AM

    AP needs to be held accountable for those mistakes, even though I wouldn’t want to give up any part of his running style that makes him the running back that he is. I personally would rather take a fumble here and there than DRASTICALLY change his style. However, he should be able to tweak the way he holds the ball and also not drastically change the way he runs.

  33. MrHumble says: Dec 4, 2009 9:39 AM

    Eric Dickerson, WALTER PAYTON, Jim Brown just to name a few avg. running backs fumbled just as much as AD…..check the stats…..and I’m just sure they were benched just like AD would be…..get real Florio, it ain’t gonna happen!! A fumble is no worse than an interception, so let’s bench P. Manning, Brady, Rodgers etc. as they have as many if not more int’s……..stupid stupid logic and an even more crazy arguement.

  34. CutlerISaPussy says: Dec 4, 2009 9:43 AM

    The reason Favre has finally started throwing the ball without all of the INTs is b/c he has finally has the talent around him where he doesn’t have to make big chances and carry his entire team (unlike when he was at Green Bay).
    Along with him finally having some receivers that can run routes and get open.
    The difference with his receivers with the Vikings is that they are complimentary- the make each other look good (Favre even said this the other day).
    In Green Bay on the other hand, Favre made his receiving corp. look much better than they actually were for all of these years (just ask Karon Rodgers, the sack leader b/c they can’t get open). They had the numbers they had b/c of Favre.
    Great to see what he can do with this talent around him.

  35. leatherneck says: Dec 4, 2009 9:46 AM

    @rydendonkeys
    Eric Bieniemy fumbled only 11 times in his career, which saw 387 rushing attempts and 146 receptions. That is a fumbling ratio of 0.02. That’s a very good ratio.
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BienEr00.htm
    Nevisyakker, nice post.

  36. MrHumble says: Dec 4, 2009 9:48 AM

    Let’s see, Brees 9 int’s, p.manning 11, warner 11, cutler 20, brady 8 schaub 11, big ben 10 and int’s are not “recovered”…..fumbles peterson 6 with only 4 lost…..i think it’s time to “sit” those qb’s…..you should stop and think sometimes before you make one of your definitive statements Florio. The only difference between an INT and a fumble is that usually there are return yards with an INT!!!! And like I said in an earlier post, Jim Brown, Eric Dickerson and Walter Payton had just as many if not more fumbles on average in their careers than peterson has. That is two major flaws in your arguement Florio, glad you’re not the Vikings headcoach!!!!!

  37. jeff says: Dec 4, 2009 9:49 AM

    Pervy:
    We may have our asshat of the day already in lbpackfan….of course, he’s probably trying to ruffle feathers…so i’m holding off
    Maybe i should just give it to Super. Burgess/Hydra/Packman70?

  38. DocBG says: Dec 4, 2009 9:50 AM

    # LBPACKFAN says: December 4, 2009 8:35 AM
    What a pussy. Oh yeah, lets praise this guy…”ohhhh, he runs SOOOO hard and runs over people” …. doesnt really matter when you don’t have the pigskin in your hands. Kevin Smith, Ryan Grant and even Forte….much better than AP.
    ——————————————————
    did you lend your account to bob nelson for a day, or do you just really enjoy having your name repeated by a bunch of pissed of viking fans? I would imagine that every coach in the league would take taylor or peterson before any of the 3 suckasses you mentioned up there. and if you take a look at the number of picks that a guy like cuntler has vs. the number of fumbles lost that AP has, its not as bad as folks make it seem. Lets also not forget that this is 3rd year in the league (2nd as a full time starter).
    In college with hand strength like he’s got, there was not the talent to rip it away, in the NFL, even suckasses like those that play for the pack can get at it if he’s not wrapping it up right. Suppose this is the only thing you packer morons have left to bitch about though isnt it? Here’s hopping for one more Favre Bowl this year, just so we can knock your imbred asses outta the playoffs.

  39. MrHumble says: Dec 4, 2009 9:53 AM

    To LB Packfan who claims ryan grant is better than AD……..it is comments like these that cause the rest of the nfl fans to never take a turdpacker serious and to believe they know anything about football outside of their “packerworld”….what an idiot.

  40. SmackMyVickUp says: Dec 4, 2009 9:54 AM

    Good running back playing his career behind one of the best o-lines in the league. Nice going 4-5 yards most carries without being hit.
    He is just a bruising runner, no flash and lacks breakaway speed – usually caught from behind on long runs. At least 5 other RB’s in the league could put up similar numbers in that offense, if not better.

  41. Run1out says: Dec 4, 2009 9:57 AM

    Florio, you STILL have a huge ego and a extra large cranium and continue to not post my comments because you can’t take the truth but you sure can dish it out.

  42. mixman34 says: Dec 4, 2009 9:57 AM

    @ LBPACK FAN…..
    um…. yeeeaaaahhhhhh. I don’t even need to say anything. I know deep down even you know how stupid you are. Forte!? HAHHAHAHAHAH Grant!?!?! AHHAHAHAH Kevin Smith is good those other two are wack.
    Coming from a Pack fan though it must be true!

  43. jeff says: Dec 4, 2009 9:58 AM

    Hi Everyone. Just to let you know, with the help of pervy and Supersuckers, I will be handing out an asshat of the day award each day.
    This award is for the dumbest comment we come across throughout the day.
    On Friday’s, I will be handing out an asshat of the week award. I will also be handing out monthly awards, and finally, a yearly one.
    Yesterdays winner is as follows. Please all, congratulate Adam on his decisive win!!
    —————————————-
    jeff says:
    December 3, 2009 4:05 PM
    Pervy:
    Asylum is good for 2nd place today.
    The award today goes to this gem from “statboy”
    AdamIliketomailmyshittootherpersons
    ================================
    Adam-Chris Scheftersen says:
    December 2, 2009 5:34 PM
    Too much emphasis is placed on win/loss record. This is an individual award. That doesn’t mean you start by looking at the rosters of playoff-bound teams. Johnson should absolutely be in the discussion. Then again, so should defensive players.
    ———————————————
    Yeah, because the awards always go to guys on losing teams. Notice how he is including defensive players in there? He’s dumb enough to think Woodson deserves it! Listen Shitterson, Woodson already has 1 piece of hardware he doesnt deserve….speaking of which you my inane freind are Asshat of the day, you are now entered in the asshat of the week, month and year!! here is your award:
    http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/asshat.jpg
    Make sure you all let Adam know he is todays winner!!!
    Tomorrow…..The asshat of the week award!

  44. MrHumble says: Dec 4, 2009 9:59 AM

    LBPackfan……AD’s backup, Chester Taylor is better than Ryan Grant…LMAO…..what are you doing commenting on a football website when you don’t know anything about football????? And here I thought the moderator reviewed all posts before they were posted……guess not.

  45. MrHumble says: Dec 4, 2009 10:02 AM

    SmackMyVickUP…….try looking up stats for past three years and see which RB has the most yds after contact…..you may be surprised……also, as for AD being “caught from behind”, it happened in the Detroit game this year for the first time in his career.

  46. PervyHarvin says: Dec 4, 2009 10:08 AM

    @ jeff – Ya,this dudes gonna be hard to beat! Sure he isn’t Florio? I think he manipulates us.

  47. Tompadre says: Dec 4, 2009 10:08 AM

    I’ll believe the benching when I see it, and not for just a play or series or two.
    Really, what is going to hurt your team more, a fumble every other game, or taking out the main cog in an offense that is putting up 30 points a game?
    I’m thinking maybe Florio’s had a concussion or two lately.
    LBPACKFAN & Hap –
    aaahhhh…ignorance is bliss!

  48. Empire Jones says: Dec 4, 2009 10:10 AM

    LMFAO at this whole thing.
    Peterson was proclaimed the best RB in football this pre-season.
    Now, he doesn’t lead the league in production except maybe lost fumbles.
    BTW, I always wondered why AP was so persistent in driving himself to road games… now I know it was to get there quicker than the team and butter up those hands before the plane even landed.

  49. MNFANINAZ says: Dec 4, 2009 10:12 AM

    Purple Jesus will always get a pass in my book.
    The things he does on Sundays are amazing, and I’ll take a couple of fluke mistakes as the trade off for his undeniable determination and absolutely astounding plays.
    I’ve seen Barry and I saw Walter, don’t remember Dickerson and wasn’t alive for Sayers or Campbell nor Jim Brown but for my money, I have never in my life seen someone more talented than Adrian Peterson.
    He is a joy to watch and that smile warms my heart.
    Do your thing AP, let the haters hate… you’re the best running back that has ever played the game.
    Oh and all you little hater boys and girls better be nice or AP might just cancel Christmas for you!

  50. marshall70 says: Dec 4, 2009 10:14 AM

    AP is better than all of them. The guy is having a tough time of it right now with the fumbles and other things, but what LBPACKFAN said was stupid.

  51. imaginesuperbowlwin says: Dec 4, 2009 10:17 AM

    Hap says:
    December 4, 2009 9:01 AM
    “He’s the best RB in the league.” My butthe is. I’ll take 15 over him and name them if you’d like.
    Let me know.
    *******************************************
    You may start anytime.

  52. leatherneck says: Dec 4, 2009 10:18 AM

    I hate sarcastic awards.

  53. kravon says: Dec 4, 2009 10:21 AM

    For some reason I like the Cardinals this week.

  54. JimmySmith says: Dec 4, 2009 10:24 AM

    Instead of the threat of benching him, the Vikings should approach this is a more positive manner with incentives. Offer to pay for his speeding tickets or maybe Childress could promise never to wear a dress again or give him a financial reward such as a down payment on a new LA home in 2012.
    Going positive always works better than idle threats.

  55. PervyHarvin says: Dec 4, 2009 10:28 AM

    @ kravon – Put some cash on them them bud. Back the feeling!

  56. Cmoney20 says: Dec 4, 2009 10:29 AM

    @ leatherneck
    Im not sure what a good fumble ratio is but if .02 is a good ratio then AP doesnt have a problem fumbling either.
    831 rushing attempts + 67 catches = 898 touches with 19 fumbles. Gives him a .0211 fumble ratio.
    For example: Thomas Jones
    2165 rushing attempts + 288 catches = 2453 touches with 24 fumbles. Gives him a .009 fumbling ratio. Thats a good ratio.
    So could you please stop correcting people when you have no clue what your talking about.

  57. JaredAllen69 says: Dec 4, 2009 10:32 AM

    LBPACKFAN says:
    December 4, 2009 8:35 AM
    What a pussy. Oh yeah, lets praise this guy…”ohhhh, he runs SOOOO hard and runs over people” …. doesnt really matter when you don’t have the pigskin in your hands. Kevin Smith, Ryan Grant and even Forte….much better than AP.
    ******************************************
    You are a blithering idiot who knows nothing about football. You can have Ryan Grant, he is nothing.

  58. PolegoJim says: Dec 4, 2009 10:33 AM

    Do any of you jokers remember Atiim Kiambu Hakeem-Ah Barber and his temporary fumble issues?
    You’ll take 15 ACTIVE running backs over him? Really? Yes, please name them, include their entire career carries and results and show they’re better than Adrian. That should be pretty entertaining. You’ll come up with a smattering of one year wonders, or half season wonders.
    Just like Edwards, Peterson will get what he needs to be back on top. Protecting the ball and catching the ball starts in the head, and they’re both sharp football guys.

  59. CutlerISaPussy says: Dec 4, 2009 10:36 AM

    This is one of those things where I think Florio just found something that agreed with one of his outlandish posts and throws it up there. Childress was NOT considering benching him or NOT giving him the rock b/c of this (according to the Strib). I think that probably carries a little more weight than what Eric says. Of course the running backs coach has to say, fix the problem or else….doesn’t mean it is going to actually happen you douche florio! What did you expect Eric to say- no keep fumbling there will be no consequences for you. It is all semantics.

  60. myasylum says: Dec 4, 2009 10:36 AM

    Told yea so!
    and… BTW Ryan Grant sucks!!

  61. ericb500 says: Dec 4, 2009 10:37 AM

    Actually, Chester Taylor is better than Ryan Grant. Taylor gets it done every time he’s called on and Grant is mediocre at best. Taylor’s presence would be the only reason to consider putting AP on the bench – for a series or two. Come on, man. This is re-tahhhded.

  62. DarnFlorio says: Dec 4, 2009 10:40 AM

    LBPACKFAN says:
    December 4, 2009 8:35 AM
    What a pussy. Oh yeah, lets praise this guy…”ohhhh, he runs SOOOO hard and runs over people” …. doesnt really matter when you don’t have the pigskin in your hands. Kevin Smith, Ryan Grant and even Forte….much better than AP.
    _______
    What is this? A competition between who has the most deluded and moronic fan base: the Patsies or the Pukers. Looks like a TIE so far, but this comment could put the Pukers ahead (though no doubt, a Pats fan idiot will trump this one with something even more idiotic).

  63. PackSucks says: Dec 4, 2009 10:42 AM

    Ryan Grant……seriously……Forte……dude, come on. Ain’t nobody in the NFL would take either of those guys (or both for that matter) over AP……At least AP has a chance of correcting his flaws. Grant and Forte’s problems are permanent.

  64. zeakman says: Dec 4, 2009 10:43 AM

    I think Chester should start seeing a lot more time. He has looked better than AP a lot of the season. He is better as a receiver and when he’s in there aren’t 8 in the box and we can take advantage of the O-Line we have. I wouldn’t mind seeing Brett cool it a little and not have to pass 48 times a game, especially with some upcoming games in cold weather.

  65. green&bold says: Dec 4, 2009 10:44 AM

    as a packer fan I wish others would keep quiet about crap like this. The vikes whupped us twice this year. Grant is nowhere near AP. Our D is much improved but the #1 ranking is misleading and we all ‘should’ know it.
    If we all would stop spouting off stupid crap maybe I could read the comments in the packers stories without having to sift through all the garbage from your stupid counterparts. Because it seems for every idiot packer fan there seems to be an idiot Viking fan… or two.

  66. footballschmuck says: Dec 4, 2009 10:45 AM

    As long as he doesn’t fumble his car keys I guess AP will be OK…NOT!
    Why pay an RB all that $$$ to fumble? Bring Coughlin in to fix him…he fixed Tiki Barber with the fumble-itis. See…it can be fixed.
    Just ego.

  67. purpleguy says: Dec 4, 2009 10:49 AM

    The guy obviously ain’t perfect, and if he fumbles against a good team in a close game, Bieniemy’s right, it becomes the whole team’s problem. Seriously though, who can realistically argue the risks with guy outweigh the rewards? It is interesting how the speeding ticket deflected attention from his crappy game Sunday.
    If there’s anything that concerns me is that he wasn’t smart enough to realize Edina cops will bust you for going 2 miles over the speed limit, let alone 54.

  68. Bob Loblaw says: Dec 4, 2009 10:50 AM

    No sense in another trashing of LBPACKFAN’s dumb comment of Peterson being the 4th best RB … in the NFC North. Everyone knows the Bears’ and Lions’ GM would piss in their pants at a straight up tradeof RBs to get Peterson. Ted Thompson would probably turn it down because plans to trade back and take an unknown out of McNeese State in the 5th round as the Packer’s next feature RB.
    So I’ll comment on SmackMyVickUp’s misinformed view: “Good running back playing his career behind one of the best o-lines in the league. Nice going 4-5 yards most carries without being hit. He is just a bruising runner, no flash and lacks breakaway speed – usually caught from behind on long runs. At least 5 other RB’s in the league could put up similar numbers in that offense, if not better.”
    I’ve eatched every game in Peterson’s career. He’s been caught from behind twice — both this year. But he doesn’t get 4-5 yards before first contact. Defenses overload the line of scrimmage to stop him and 90% of his runs first contact is at the line of scrimmage or behind it.
    Yes he’s a bruising runner. But he ALSO has flash and breakaway speed. That’s why he’s been such a dominant runner and why defenses still let Brett Favre pick them apart in the passing game to sell out to stop AP in the running game.

  69. Hauschild says: Dec 4, 2009 10:53 AM

    I told you guys countless times that All Day is TOO QUICK AND IMPATIENT to the hole, so giving Taylor more snaps is actually a good thing, unless no-gain running plays are your goals.
    Sure, it eliminates the potential of the home run, but the Vikings offense doesn’t need home runs. They need long, sustained drives that eat huge chunks of time off the clock to keep that porous secondary on the bench.

  70. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 4, 2009 10:53 AM

    rydendonkeys says:
    December 4, 2009 8:41 AM
    lmao at Eric Bienemy talking about holding onto the football!!!!!
    Guy was instant fumble!
    —————————-
    Over his career Bieniemy had 11 fumbles and 533 touches, an average of one fumble for every 48.5 times he touched the ball.
    Peterson is fumbling the ball once every 47.3 touches.. Slightly MORE often than Bieniemy did.
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PeteAd01.htm
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BienEr00.htm

  71. jx4cmario1 says: Dec 4, 2009 10:59 AM

    Zeakman- you do realize that much of Favre’s success can be credited to the fact that AP forces teams to stack 8 in the box, right?
    Chester is a great compliment to Adrian, but in no means is he a replacement for any more than a series or two, at most. He is a great receiver out of the backfield but come on man…

  72. betheball says: Dec 4, 2009 11:01 AM

    The next best thing to seeing the Packers do well is listening to queens fans get their hopes up, only to watch as another promising season goes up in flames. I still can’t decide which was better, 1998 or McCown to Poole (NOOOOOO!!!). The only question is, who’s going to rip your hearts out this year?
    Oh, that’s right. You have that guy who finds the most inopportune time to throw one up for grabs. I remember him…
    Just a suggestion queens fans. You might want to find another use for that trophy case you’ve been reserving for over 40 years years. Maybe you can raffle it off and put the money toward that new stadium…in Los Angeles.

  73. MrHumble says: Dec 4, 2009 11:01 AM

    I have to believe that Florio wasn’t really serious, only trying to stir up a hornet’s nest and get more “clicks” on his website. Check the stats, Peterson does not fumble any more that Eric Dickerson, Jim Brown or WALTER PAYTON did and I’m sure they were “benched”……what a stupid comment by Florio and even more stupid comments by packer fans. Guess a comment like this from Florio makes it “fact” and thus gives packer fans something to “feel good about”….in dairyland. Another point that proves how asinine Florio’s comment is….Peterson has 8 fumbles and I believe lost 5….Brees, P.Manning, Warner, Brady, A.Rodgers (yes packer fans, your idol),cutler, etc. have more INT’s than AD has fumbles so perhaps we should “bench the qb’s”…and it is rare that an INT is ever recovered. A bunch of noise about nuthin’ Florio.

  74. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 4, 2009 11:04 AM

    ericb500 says:
    December 4, 2009 10:37 AM
    Taylor gets it done every time he’s called on and Grant is mediocre at best.
    ——————————
    Except during the Steeler game, right?

  75. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 4, 2009 11:05 AM

    hk94 says:
    December 4, 2009 9:10 AM
    @ LBPACKFAN
    On behalf of packers fans everywhere, please shut up. It’s comments like these that make the Vikings fans on this site so obnoxious.
    —————————-
    Trust me, they’d be obnoxious without comments like LBPACKFAN’s.. His comments just make him out to be a moron, that’s all.

  76. MrHumble says: Dec 4, 2009 11:08 AM

    Florio, a good reporter doesn’t take an assistant coach’s comments out of context, below is a quote from Thursday’s Star Tribune….as you can see, Childress is “really worried about it”…sometimes I think Florio should work for the National Enquirer, as he is always trying to make something out of nothing.
    “Vikings coach Brad Childress called Peterson “a trustworthy guy,” with the ball on Thursday, adding, “[if] you touch it as many times as he does, somewhere it’s going on the ground”

  77. Tjackfan says: Dec 4, 2009 11:10 AM

    If any of you people want to question what Adrian Peterson means to the Vikings, first look at their record, and second look at Brett Favre’s numbers. Favre has a 112 QB rating because the game plan week in and week out is to stop #28, not #4.
    Florio, you just want to say I told you so. I heard you on KFAN Twin Cities arguing with Paul Allen, who actually is the voice of the Minnesota Vikings, and therefore has watched every single game of Adrian Peterson’s NFL career. Something I am sure you have not done.
    The positives far outweigh the benefits with this kid, and it is not even remotely close. Your take on this situation is moronic.

  78. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 4, 2009 11:10 AM

    jeff:
    You are truly an idiot with too much time on your hands. Care to debate the facts?
    NFL MVP: Individual award or team award?
    It’s an individual award. It IS NOT handed out to an entire team. And I know damn well how they determine who wins it. They look at the teams with the best record and they go from there. I was saying I don’t agree with that. As an individual award, it could go to a great player on a crappy team.
    Please prove me wrong. I’ve been waiting for you to do that for months.

  79. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 4, 2009 11:12 AM

    And I’ll kindly remind you that I didn’t say Woodson DESERVED MVP. I said he deserves to be in the discussion. What you left out of that comment is that I also said Favre, Manning and Brees were all good picks.
    Idiot.

  80. Wiscdave says: Dec 4, 2009 11:14 AM

    Mike Florio, ex-officio GM
    You can’t keep ragging on Favre–he took that away from you–so you pick on Peterson. Get over yourself. In the meantime, don’t dislocate anything patting yourself on the back.

  81. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 4, 2009 11:16 AM

    leatherneck says:
    December 4, 2009 9:46 AM
    @rydendonkeys
    Eric Bieniemy fumbled only 11 times in his career, which saw 387 rushing attempts and 146 receptions. That is a fumbling ratio of 0.02. That’s a very good ratio.
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BienEr00.htm
    Nevisyakker, nice post.
    —————————–
    Reverse the equation and it’ll make sense. .02 means nothing. Bieniemy fumbled once every 48.5 touches. That’s a much more tangible statistic than citing a 2 percent chance of fumbling on every touch.

  82. Justin Pugh says: Dec 4, 2009 11:18 AM

    I’ll say this with out equivocation….
    Any running back that fumbles the ball 1/2 as many times as they score touch downs is garbage. I don’t care if they can fly through the air. I don’t care if he rushes for 3,000 yards.
    You fumble the ball that shows a lack of focus, attention to detail, and concentration on “holding onto the ball…” which are essential skills for a “good” running back to have.
    There is a reason Chris Johnson is better than Adrian Peterson, he doesn’t fumble and turn the ball over.
    You fumble the ball twice in the playoffs and Minnesota can forget about giving Brett Farve a memorable season.
    This isn’t anything new from Adrian Peterson he fumbled 4 times his rookie year, 9 times in 2008, and so far 6 times.
    He wouldn’t play for the Indianapolis Colts I know that for sure!

  83. MrHumble says: Dec 4, 2009 11:21 AM

    “The running back’s two fumbles in the Vikings’ 36-10 victory over Chicago on Sunday — he lost one in the first quarter and only an overturned call saved him from losing another in the third — gave him six (five lost) this season.”
    Five lost fumbles, geesh Florio maybe you should campaign for Brees 9ints, p.manning 11ints, rodgers 6 ints (plus 500sacks lol), brady 8ints, warner 11ints, ben r. 10, cutler 20 to all be benched as their INT’s are never “recovered”. STOP and think about what bullchit comes out of your mouth before you end up stepping in it again.

  84. jbear93 says: Dec 4, 2009 11:31 AM

    Hey LBPACKMAN,
    What has Ryan Grant proven in his career? nuthing. What has Kevin Smith proven? nuting. What has Matt Forte proven? nuthing. Adrian Peterson is a two-time all-pro running back, two-time Pro Bowler, and broke the NFL single game rushing record with 296 yards. Yes, Peterson must be held accountable for his actions, but I would sure take him over any of the garbage you just metioned. You sound like a typical, disgruntled Packers fan. You are just upset because the only thing you have to cling to is the Packers and they suck.

  85. jaredallenforpresident says: Dec 4, 2009 11:34 AM

    LBPACKFAN… All I have to say is you are a complete idiot. Forte and Grant are horrible. Especially Forte. You have made a comment that would make Florio look smart.

  86. ScottThompson1982 says: Dec 4, 2009 11:42 AM

    Ryan Grant goes down when there is a strong gust of wind so whoever said he is better is nuts!
    also I wouldn’t mess with the formula, allot of the great ones had a higher fumble average then AP , like Eric Dickerson for example who fumbed more then AP does on average.
    I wouldn’t mess with the formula.
    Babe Ruth had to strike out because he would always swing for the stands in fact he was also the Strikeout King when he was the Homer King … Brett Favre has the MOST TD’s and the Most INt’s —
    its a risk reward.. and to think AP’s job is in jeopardy is a silly notion.. Ahman Green would do the same thing and was a far less talented back.

  87. bustabloodvessel says: Dec 4, 2009 11:44 AM

    So, all these Packer fans on here saying Peterson should be benched and held accountable for his fumbles, were you calling for Brett Favre to be benched all those years he was leading the league in interceptions? Look at his fumbles, they usually happen when he has two or more defenders on him and he is fighting for an extra yard. This is a league where unfortunately players are damned if they don’t, and damned if they do. If he were to fold like a lawn chair after the first hit, you all would be calling him soft, and because he works hard for every inch and gets stripped a few times (usually fewer INT’S than Manning) he is a liability to the franchise, and should be benched. For all of those who think Chris Johnson is better, his yards dom’t come after hits, HE DOES fold like a lawn chair when touched. That and he is a straight up idiot. Don’t believe me, listen to him speak once!

  88. tyrone says: Dec 4, 2009 11:48 AM

    If AD didn’t put forth the effort to make every exta yard then he probably wouldn’t fumble as much as he d0es. Then again, without AD the Vikings wouldn’t be where they are today. He may lose the ball every once in a while but he’s an integral part of that team. I have a feeling they’ll live with him putting it on the ground every once in awhile as long as they keep winning.

  89. me so horny says: Dec 4, 2009 11:51 AM

    While I agree lbpackerfans post was just about the most mornic thing I ever read, I will say that Ryan Grant is really really good. Very underated back, I like him a lot. But to say he is better then Peterson is bat shit crazy his fumbles and all

  90. bluestree says: Dec 4, 2009 11:51 AM

    MNFANINAZ says:
    December 4, 2009 10:12 AM
    I’ve seen Barry and I saw Walter, don’t remember Dickerson and wasn’t alive for Sayers or Campbell nor Jim Brown but for my money, I have never in my life seen someone more talented than Adrian Peterson.
    ——————————————
    You’ve got to be kidding me! You think AP is better than Walter Payton? He’s not better than Chris Johnson. Get a grip!

  91. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Dec 4, 2009 11:55 AM

    No way no how do the Vikings sit Peterson in the sense that he loses touches. That will not happen. End any ridiculous speculation as to that right now.
    Let’s not forget that Barry Sanders in his first four years in the league fumbled quite a bit also. Sanders fumbled roughly every 52 touches during his first four years in the NFL. Peterson is at every 47 touches during his first three years.
    Should Peterson work on his fumbling? Of course, no question about it. But the reality of the NFL is that I cannot ever recall an NFL player fumble their way out of the league. Fumbling is very coachable…and correctable.

  92. chunky soupy sales says: Dec 4, 2009 11:57 AM

    “Eric Bieniemy fumbled only 11 times in his career, which saw 387 rushing attempts and 146 receptions. That is a fumbling ratio of 0.02. That’s a very good ratio.”
    Eric Bieniemy also rushed for 1500 yards and 11 tD’s in his entire 9 year career.
    So far, that is around the average SEASON for AP.
    So in short, Bieniemy averaged a 1/1 td fumble ratio.

  93. sand0 says: Dec 4, 2009 12:05 PM

    Vikings fans, myself included, need to just ignore the Packer fans comments. They are obviously not serious and just old fashioned trolls. Don’t feed them. They make the comment to get responses. Our team is 10-1 so I think we are fully capable of taking the high road this season at this point in time.

  94. TeflonDon says: Dec 4, 2009 12:05 PM

    # SmackMyVickUp says: December 4, 2009 9:54 AM
    Good running back playing his career behind one of the best o-lines in the league. Nice going 4-5 yards most carries without being hit.
    He is just a bruising runner, no flash and lacks breakaway speed – usually caught from behind on long runs. At least 5 other RB’s in the league could put up similar numbers in that offense, if not better.
    —————————————————–
    The problem with commenting on a player/team you obviously haven’t watched enough (at all) to comment on is that it makes you look like an idiot.
    /You’re an idiot

  95. SF Saints Fan says: Dec 4, 2009 12:09 PM

    Peterson is a very good RB and does fumble a little bit more than you would like out of a feature RB. I doubt that the Vikings will bench him, but they may limit his carries late in a game when they are protecting a slim lead. His fumbling has not cost the Vikings a game yet, but it might.
    Running backs have to make an effort sometimes to hold onto the ball. Once they get a reputation as a “fumbler”, they tend to get even more defensive players grabbing for the ball. It sorta becomes a self fulfilling prophecy after a while.
    Running backs usually just don’t have long careers. Given the number of carries he gets he may only have three good years left. It may be to his advantage if another back gets 8-10 carries a game and he only gets 15-20 carries per game. His career would probably last longer.
    I would not mind seeing him not fumble one more time until he loses two fumbles in the NFC Championship Game versus the Saints and the Saints roll to the Super Bowl.

  96. gr8hucker says: Dec 4, 2009 12:10 PM

    @LBPackfan
    As a lifetime Packer fan. . .shut up. You’re an idiot if you think Ryan Grant is in the same league as AP.
    @CutlerIS
    Research your posts before posting. Rodgers is the sack leader because of the O-Line. And if you think he doesn’t have talent around him, why is his rating 104.5, with 3136 yds and 22 TD’s against 5 Ints on the season? I’m sorry, I love Favre, but if he was sitting behind that O-line, he wouldn’t be doing nearly as well.
    Favre (behind a great O-line)
    112.0/2874/24/3
    A great season, and certainly worthy of MVP talk, but anyone thinking the Packers made a mistake with Favre is wrong. The stats are similar enough, that I’ll take less salary for a long time. It’s rare to have two special QB’s back to back. The only other team that I can think of is the 49ers. How were the Cowboys after Aikman retired? The Broncos after Elway? The Dolphins after Marino? You have a young QB that you think will be great, you have to make that decision.

  97. purplepuzzyeatrz says: Dec 4, 2009 12:26 PM

    It is embarassing ready some of these silly posts….One douche even had the galls to say Ryan grant and Matt Forte are better than Adrian…Man those packer fans are really scarred over this………Fools, such fools……
    I cannot even muster any more words for such ignorance….SKOL

  98. hammer1982 says: Dec 4, 2009 12:26 PM

    Congratualtions Florio. You watched the game on FOX and repeated what was said during the game by Aikman. I believe he said before commercial break, if it was any one other than Peterson, he would be benched. Then when they came back from commercial Aikman clarified his statement saying that had Peterson not been such a talented runner he would be benched for putting it on the ground. So which came first, the chicken or the chicken poop (guess which one you are?)

  99. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 4, 2009 12:27 PM

    MrHumble says:
    December 4, 2009 11:21 AM
    Five lost fumbles, geesh Florio maybe you should campaign for Brees 9ints, p.manning 11ints, rodgers 6 ints (plus 500sacks lol), brady 8ints, warner 11ints, ben r. 10, cutler 20 to all be benched as their INT’s are never “recovered”. STOP and think about what bullchit comes out of your mouth before you end up stepping in it again.
    ——————————
    Please stop comparing fumbles to INTs. They hurt the team equally, but it’s simply not a good comparison. By definition the ball must leave the QBs hands in order to complete a pass. The ball should not leave a RBs hands during a run.
    Is it harder to hold onto a ball or is it harder to throw a ball through the air and get it to one specific guy and keep it away from several other guys? Not a good comparison and you damn well know it.
    But if you insist on comparing Peterson’s fumbling to a QB’s interceptions, go ahead and use their comparative rankings in those categories. Peterson leads all RBs in fumbling. Jay Cutler leads all QBs in INTs. There’s your comparison.

  100. Tompadre says: Dec 4, 2009 12:27 PM

    Damn it Bob Loblaw, you stole my thunder. Everyone is going after LBPACKFAN while…
    SmackMyVickUp says:
    December 4, 2009 9:54 AM
    Good running back playing his career behind one of the best o-lines in the league. Nice going 4-5 yards most carries without being hit.
    He is just a bruising runner, no flash and lacks breakaway speed – usually caught from behind on long runs. At least 5 other RB’s in the league could put up similar numbers in that offense, if not better
    Bob, couldn’t agree more with your response. The only thing I would add is I’m not certain the Vikings O-line is one of the best in the league because I haven’t seen enough of some of the other teams. Two of the guys had zero starts in the NFL before this year though.
    By the way, not to take anything away from Chris Johnson because he too is a stud, but no one mentions he is running behind what is widely considered one of the top O-lines in the NFL.

  101. goetta-head says: Dec 4, 2009 12:27 PM

    Id take Cedric Benson over him.

  102. bluestree says: Dec 4, 2009 12:28 PM

    Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says:
    “It was the day of the big 10K run. One of the girls brought a bottle of Alleve, which sure helped us with those sore muscles. But I remembered the Port-A Johns along the route, so I brought a roll of toilet paper. After the race it was “Bye Alleve!” “Bye Asswipe!”

  103. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 4, 2009 12:29 PM

    chunky soupy sales says:
    December 4, 2009 11:57 AM
    Eric Bieniemy also rushed for 1500 yards and 11 tD’s in his entire 9 year career.
    So far, that is around the average SEASON for AP.
    ————————-
    And 387 carries is just a little more than Peterson’s carries last year. So what? So Bieniemy’s career rushing numbers are comparable to Peterson’s numbers from last year. Fumbles included.

  104. wplus says: Dec 4, 2009 12:33 PM

    If Kubiak were in charge, he would bench AP and give an extra 15 carries to the speed demon Naufahu Tahi.

  105. jeff says: Dec 4, 2009 12:39 PM

    Adam-Chris Scheftersen says:
    December 4, 2009 11:10 AM
    jeff:
    You are truly an idiot with too much time on your hands. Care to debate the facts?
    NFL MVP: Individual award or team award?
    It’s an individual award. It IS NOT handed out to an entire team. And I know damn well how they determine who wins it. They look at the teams with the best record and they go from there. I was saying I don’t agree with that. As an individual award, it could go to a great player on a crappy team.
    Please prove me wrong. I’ve been waiting for you to do that for months.
    Adam-Chris Scheftersen says:
    December 4, 2009 11:12 AM
    And I’ll kindly remind you that I didn’t say Woodson DESERVED MVP. I said he deserves to be in the discussion. What you left out of that comment is that I also said Favre, Manning and Brees were all good picks.
    Idiot.
    =================================
    Mail your shit to someone else erson:
    Of course they look at the great teams and go from there! They do that in all of sports!!
    In takes an extraordinary effort to be able to win an MVP on a bad team( think Andre Dawson for the Cubs). Then only if there aren’t any other viable canidates to choose from, or at least said players so dwarf the others stats they can’t be ignored.
    That isn’t the case here. The QB’s are having great, great years. Even if CJ breaks the record, I don’t think it matters.
    Especially if there is an undefeated team.
    Manning could break Marino’ single season yardage record. Favre could finish with the highest QB rating, Brees could have 50 TDS.
    CJ has the misfortune of hanving a career year when there are others playing exceptionally well.
    Had the Titans not stumbled out of the gate, he’d be in the mix.
    Just because you don’t like the system set up, doesn’t make it wrong.
    Next post.
    Woodson does not belong in the discussion. Neither does any defensive player!
    The MVP is for players that touch the ball a significant amount of the time, are you that obtuse? Again, no answer needed, rhetorical question.
    You know what is funny? An asshat of the day winner calling me an idiot.
    You keeping up with this arguement is idiotic.
    Unless you are really pushing hard for the Asshat of the week award?

  106. mnmaverick says: Dec 4, 2009 12:51 PM

    You might get your wish by default after the speeding incident.
    I don’t think Goodell, Wilf, or Childress endorse that move.

  107. Stihler fan says: Dec 4, 2009 12:54 PM

    Get a grip. This has nothing to do with how many times Eric Bieniemy has or hasn’t fumbled. What, only someone who was a better RB than AP can coach AP? They better hire someone like Jim Brown then. Can only a QB better than Peyton Manning coach Peyton Manning? Generally speaking, great players do not make good coaches. Please keep posting though, it’s entertaining, if you know what I mean. Oh, I forgot. Disregard that last comment

  108. leatherneck says: Dec 4, 2009 1:04 PM

    Bottom line: as good as AD is, he could be a little better, and that improvement will be key to helping the team.
    Maybe the easiest improvement and a very, very significant improvement at that would be to fumble less. AD is capable of achieving this.
    If you look at AD’s fumbles per carry, it decreased in his 2nd season (2008), but then increased in this, his 3rd season.
    Brad Childress has handled this well. It wasn’t worth doing anything different over until the Bears game, when AD fumbled twice, and would have lost the ball twice if not for a successful coach’s challenge. As it was, he lost the ball only once in a game that was fortunately not close. Now it is worth doing something about, and helping Peterson improve and giving him the opportunity to do that is what AD needs from his coach to take that next step.

  109. DuluthFan says: Dec 4, 2009 1:09 PM

    Green&Gold…and I Vikings Fan I say to you, “Right on, brother!”

  110. jx4cmario1 says: Dec 4, 2009 1:13 PM

    Jeff, no one gives two shits about your stupid asshat award, it’s actually very pathetic that you allocate such a % of your day to something so stupid. Go Vikes.

  111. LBPACKFAN says: Dec 4, 2009 1:13 PM

    Rumor has it, Adrienne Peterson was out in LA last week looking at real estate. Hmmmm…wonder why he is looking at housing in Los Angeles??? HMmmmmmm.
    How’s the apple-tini Pervy? Lakeshore property, eh? I’ll bet. Crashing in someones boat house doesn’t count you boner biter.

  112. kravon says: Dec 4, 2009 1:27 PM

    Whats with the whiny Packer fans? The Vikes are your daddy this year, learn to deal with it.
    As much as it hurts to admit as a Steelers fan, this season the Mighty Bengals are our daddy.
    Once you accept it in your heart, you will feel so much better.
    Cheers

  113. BernieLomax says: Dec 4, 2009 1:43 PM

    Whats sad is Florio is actually making a living posting this shit on the internet. With the amount people comment on these stories, even idiots like Bob and LBPackfan could be running this site. Florios got a great setup reporting “rumors” because he doesnt have to be held liable for any of the idiotic trash he is consistently spewing on this website. Yes, AD has had fumble issues but NO ONE commenting on these stories actually believes he should be benched. Comments are all in good fun and who doesnt like talking trash to other teams. I think Florio should be dishing out some of the earnings bc the posters are what make this site.

  114. BernieLomax says: Dec 4, 2009 1:46 PM

    Rumor has it, Adrienne Peterson was out in LA last week looking at real estate. Hmmmm…wonder why he is looking at housing in Los Angeles??? HMmmmmmm.
    How’s the apple-tini Pervy? Lakeshore property, eh? I’ll bet. Crashing in someones boat house doesn’t count you boner biter.
    ==================================
    WOW….LBPackfan must be a 5 year old! Boner Biter? Im not sure you would hear someone use that phrase outside of elementary school.(or even in elementary school for fear of being beaten up)

  115. DuluthFan says: Dec 4, 2009 1:52 PM

    Wow, did I hit a few bad keys there…sorry, meant, “…as a Vikings Fan I say to you, “Right on, brother!””

  116. DuluthFan says: Dec 4, 2009 1:53 PM

    There’s one vote for jx4cmario1…

  117. PervyHarvin says: Dec 4, 2009 2:17 PM

    Bernie and Vikings fans:
    Please excuse LBPackFan for my brother in Madison WI knows his grandmother.He is severely mentally challenged and may be blogging from a library. I think this article will explain it all:
    Residents in a Madison,Wisconsin neighborhood are on edge as authorities scour the area for a mental patient who ran away from the WI State Hospital during a group outdoor session Wednesday afternoon.
    LBPackFan, 24,took off and hopped a fence while the group was being transferred from one part of the facility to another. He was last seen walking toward the 7-Eleven on Imola Avenue in Madison around 1:30 p.m., hospital officials said.
    He is white, 5 feet 3 inches tall and 250 pounds. He has short curly hair, a moustache and is cross-eyed, the Madison County Sheriff’s Office said. He was last seen wearing jeans and a green shirt.
    Neighbors in the area have been worried ever since word of his escape. A grandmother told NBC that she bought a whistle to carry around her neck when she found out about the escape.
    The Madison County Sheriff’s Office, Madison police and WI State Hospital police are looking for LBPackFan.
    Anyone who sees him is asked not to approach him, but to call law enforcement.

  118. jeff says: Dec 4, 2009 2:19 PM

    jx4cmario1 says:
    December 4, 2009 1:13 PM
    Jeff, no one gives two shits about your stupid asshat award, it’s actually very pathetic that you allocate such a % of your day to something so stupid. Go Vikes.
    =================================
    What is funnier is that you wasted the time to comment on something so pathetic……..
    I allocate the same amount of time as normal.
    I just make sure to remember dumb posts, such as yours. No worries though, you won’t win, there are others more deserving.

  119. PervyHarvin says: Dec 4, 2009 2:37 PM

    jx4cmario1 says:
    December 4, 2009 1:13 PM
    Jeff, no one gives two shits about your stupid asshat award, it’s actually very pathetic that you allocate such a % of your day to something so stupid. Go Vikes.
    ————————————————–
    To attack a fellow Viking Brother,a good one at that, is like a cancer in the locker room. A “schism” so to speak. If you don’t like it,ignore it. My vote goes to you!

  120. TeflonDon says: Dec 4, 2009 2:46 PM

    # LBPACKFAN says: December 4, 2009 1:13 PM
    Rumor has it, Adrienne Peterson was out in LA last week looking at real estate. Hmmmm…wonder why he is looking at housing in Los Angeles??? HMmmmmmm.
    How’s the apple-tini Pervy? Lakeshore property, eh? I’ll bet. Crashing in someones boat house doesn’t count you boner biter.
    ————————————————-
    It has to be because the Vikings are moving there in 2012, right!?
    I’m sure this single-minded 24-year-old has the foresight to corner the L.A. real estate market in anticipation of a move that may or may not happen in three years. Nice job cracking the case, there, dingus.

  121. footballrulz says: Dec 4, 2009 2:58 PM

    @ jeff
    Jeff? Come on man, with your history & jeff is what you come up with. Jeff? ;)

  122. Lex Luger says: Dec 4, 2009 3:03 PM

    Tom Coughlin fixed Tiki Barber’s problems with fumbling.

  123. GUNS527 says: Dec 4, 2009 3:04 PM

    A.P. is a threat anytime he has the ball. I have always despised the Vikings (Peterson & Favre too now since they are in the fold). Without those two, the Vikings would be at best 4-7. One of these upcoming games will be determined by an A.P. fumble and another one by a Favre pick. The Vikes are a shoo-in for the playoffs, but that’s where it will stop suddenly with a fumble and/or pick. How fortunate that the Vikes haven’t had too many true tests this season. The 1st 9 opponents (11 games) have a 4-7.6 ave record.
    The remaining 5 games have opponents with a 5.8-5.2 ave. The Vikes could have lost 3 of the 1st 6 games and this could have been a different season for them. A 3-3 team vs a 7-1 team. You usually grow on success. They are facing current 7-4, 8-3, 4-7, 4-7 & a 6-5 teams. As mentioned a fumble or pick is the difference between a W or a L. They lucked out this far.
    Who cares which Vike RB fumbles or QB fumbles/throws an interception…it’s got to happen. They will be a 10-6 team at worst, but they gotta lose that 6th game and I’ll be happy! :)

  124. argos says: Dec 4, 2009 3:19 PM

    NFL awards
    2007 AP NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year
    2007 Diet Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Year
    2008 Pro Bowl
    2008 Pro Bowl MVP
    2008 Best Breakthrough Athlete ESPY Award
    2008 Rushing Title (1760 yards)
    2008 First-Team All-Pro
    2008 FedEx Ground Player of the year.
    NFL records
    Most 200-yard rushing games for a rookie (2)
    Most yards rushing in the first eight games (1,036)
    Most yards rushing in a single game (296)
    Second rookie ever to win Pro Bowl MVP (Marshall Faulk in 1994)
    STFU

  125. DocBG says: Dec 4, 2009 3:25 PM

    AFter reading through the impressive amount of comments on here, its clear to me that vikings fans can never win an argument with packer fans because we (viking fans) are handicapped by the need to make sense in arguments. I cannot imagine a time when viking fans would have stated that a guy like frerotte or jackson was a better QB while favre was in GB, because it simply wasnt true and does not make sense. Throwing something out about grant being better than AP because he is doing slightly better, in a category that matters far less than every other category that AP is leading, is like saying Russell is a better QB than Cutler because he doesnt have the same number of interceptions, or that Delhomme is better than Rodgers because he doesnt have as many sacks.
    Packer fans argue because there is nothing else to do in that godforsaken state, let alone that podunk, dirt farming city of GB. Keep in mind that they are named after the most signifigant thing in the history of the state: a nondescipt packing company, it sounds like minutes of sheer excitement. No herritage to be proud of, no majestic creatures such as bears and lions to be named after, just a fricken generic packing company.
    So don’t blame packer fans for their arguments that make no sense at all, understand that if we had nothing better do than stare out our cloudy windows, unto the featureless, bleakness that was our state and our lives, we would probably be pretty irritable too. Not so sure about the cousin humping, but thats more of a family tradition than anything else.

  126. sand0 says: Dec 4, 2009 3:49 PM

    Peterson is the best running back in the NFL. I base this on the attention other defenses pay to him. He gets more respect and attention than any other back in the NFL, including Chris Johnson.
    The Titans are 18th in the league in scoring. Teams don’t have to crowd CJ to stop Tennessee.
    I do not mean this as a slight against Johnson it is just that what CJ is doing now is exactly what Peterson was doing regularly before teams started over stacking the box. But when Peterson was going wild the Vikings were more effective offensively. The Titans and CJ have not forced teams to overload on him yet. They are a poor offense.

  127. jx4cmario1 says: Dec 4, 2009 3:59 PM

    I don’t want to cause any schisms, I guess I was just in a really bad mood when I posted that, it just annoyed me for some reason.
    Skol.

  128. jx4cmario1 says: Dec 4, 2009 4:02 PM

    DocBG– hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Awesome.

  129. MinneapolisResident says: Dec 4, 2009 4:05 PM

    @DocBG- Name one thing you can do in Minneapolis that you can’t do in Milwaukee/Madison. You ever been outside the 5 county TC bubble? Go anywhere outside that bubble and you might want to bring a gun or a noose. (Other than the North Shore, nice area.)
    Dude, living in both states, there is one thing that is painfully obvious. “Minnesota Nice, Minnesota Ice.” Minnesotans have the worst inferiority complex ever. “Wisconsin people are fat, toothless, hicks.” WI is 38th in obesity, or 12th fittest state. There are 1.2 million more people in WI than Minnesota. Where is your hick logic?

  130. jeff says: Dec 4, 2009 4:20 PM

    We have our winners.
    Asshat of the day be longs to LBPACKFAN.
    He had several post today that were worthy.
    You got to give the guy a hand, he was at his
    asshatian best today. The winning post was this:
    ———————————————
    LBPACKFAN says:
    December 4, 2009 8:35 AM
    What a pussy. Oh yeah, lets praise this guy…”ohhhh, he runs SOOOO hard and runs over people” …. doesnt really matter when you don’t have the pigskin in your hands. Kevin Smith, Ryan Grant and even Forte….much better than AP.
    Here is your asshat award:
    http://cincyblurg.googlepages.com/asshat1.gif
    Well people, it was a tough call for asshat of the week.
    Cincyalltheway is in 3rd, because we won’t see him til next week, I trust he will pick up a few more dailies then and be the lead dog for the monthly.
    It comes down to LBPACKFAN and I like to mail my shit to some other person.
    My dislike for shitterson notwithstanding, I have to place him in 2nd place.
    So yes folks, that is right, we have our very 1st daily double!!!
    ————————————————-
    LBPACKFAN says:
    December 4, 2009 8:35 AM
    What a pussy. Oh yeah, lets praise this guy…”ohhhh, he runs SOOOO hard and runs over people” …. doesnt really matter when you don’t have the pigskin in your hands. Kevin Smith, Ryan Grant and even Forte….much better than AP.
    ================================
    There it is again.
    Congratulations LBPACKFAN!!!
    Asshat of the week winner.
    You obviously know zilch about football.
    Keep your chops up though, shitterson is right on your heels.
    I haven’t seen anything so pathetic as this post since the Tampa/ Packer game.
    you suck at life as well I’m sure, but hopefully this award will make you feel somewhat relevant
    Again congrats……here is your award:
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Bj63jRaxT7U/SNmRxVPY4SI/AAAAAAAAAAU/WtcTgyK7sBg/S1600-R/jlu_asshat.jpg

  131. GUNS527 says: Dec 4, 2009 4:21 PM

    DocBG
    You should be embarassed by the slop you just wrote. WISCONSIN is 10X better than MN. You carry mosquitoes around wherever you go. Know why it’s always windy in ND? Because MN sucks MT air! You have a ‘marshmallow dome’ that stinks inside & out! You’re 0-4 in Super Bowls while GB 3-1. MSP? No need to discuss that rat-trap of a town. A once ‘air-head x-wrestler’ for a governor. The crime statewide is despicable. If you are a Doc as your handle implies, I’d rather go see a witch doctor. And I am not a MN resident; I drove through MN once and would rather crawl across the desert heat in that Arizona than go back to that FILTHY STATE you try to brag about!

  132. PervyHarvin says: Dec 4, 2009 4:49 PM

    @ jx4cmari01- Good attitude,we all have our moments.
    jeff- That was freakin hilarious! Great weekly pic.

  133. footballrulz says: Dec 4, 2009 4:54 PM

    @ DocBG
    DAMN boy you had me scared there for a minute. I mean the first paragraph of your post was making some pretty good football sense, even logical and everything.
    And then, well, you just became—you–the Bob Nelson of Vikedom.
    As Supers would say–I’m embarassed for you
    @jeff
    JEFF? Just doesn’t seem appropriate somehow. Oh well, still like your spirit dude.

  134. CanadianVikingFan says: Dec 4, 2009 5:01 PM

    SmackMyVickUp sucks major dick

  135. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 4, 2009 5:19 PM

    jeff says:
    December 4, 2009 12:39 PM
    Mail your shit to someone else erson:
    Of course they look at the great teams and go from there! They do that in all of sports!!
    In takes an extraordinary effort to be able to win an MVP on a bad team( think Andre Dawson for the Cubs). Then only if there aren’t any other viable canidates to choose from, or at least said players so dwarf the others stats they can’t be ignored.
    That isn’t the case here. The QB’s are having great, great years. Even if CJ breaks the record, I don’t think it matters.
    Especially if there is an undefeated team.
    Manning could break Marino’ single season yardage record. Favre could finish with the highest QB rating, Brees could have 50 TDS.
    CJ has the misfortune of hanving a career year when there are others playing exceptionally well.
    Had the Titans not stumbled out of the gate, he’d be in the mix.
    Just because you don’t like the system set up, doesn’t make it wrong.
    Next post.
    Woodson does not belong in the discussion. Neither does any defensive player!
    The MVP is for players that touch the ball a significant amount of the time, are you that obtuse? Again, no answer needed, rhetorical question.
    You know what is funny? An asshat of the day winner calling me an idiot.
    You keeping up with this arguement is idiotic.
    Unless you are really pushing hard for the Asshat of the week award?
    —————————–
    I’m fully aware they do that in all sports. And I disagree with it in all sports. Are you aware of the cliche “It’s a team sport”? Do you agree with that? Do you then also agree that one player CANNOT carry a team through an entire season?
    Terrific individual performances should be evaluated on their own merits, not as a function of how the team ended up. Aside from the fumbles, I’d say Peterson put up MVP-type numbers last season. But the Vikings only went 10-6. Are you saying he should not have been in the discussion at all? What if he rushed for 1900 yards, 18 TDs and the Vikings finished 4-12? Not a sniff at MVP? Where do you draw the line? You’re punishing one player for the failings of his team.
    OK, no defensive players deserve to be considered.. Fine. Then the AP made a mistake when they named Lawrence Taylor MVP in 1986.. That’s your stance?
    If so, go debate it when them. I said Woodson deserves to be in the discussion and I stand by it. If you think that makes me an asshat, I can live with it. I think you’re an asshat based on months of bullshit. But I’m not going to stoop to your pathetic level and try to come up with a dumb award for it. Anyone who reads this site regularly can see for themselves that you’re an asshat. They don’t need me to tell them that.

  136. jx4cmario1 says: Dec 4, 2009 5:32 PM

    @Jeff
    That is pretty funny. Not gonna lie, even though you obviously could care less what someone on the internet thinks…I take back what I said before.
    Skol.

  137. Matt says: Dec 4, 2009 5:33 PM

    I have nothing against AP and think he’s fun to watch, but I’m also not sure I’d go around trying to make an argument by equating fumbles with INTs as people above have done left and right when comparing AP with QBs. I realize a turnover’s a turnover and it can get you killed regardless of how it’s done, but from a player ability standpoint (i.e., for when making comparisons between players), they’re not comparable.

  138. LBPACKFAN says: Dec 4, 2009 5:36 PM

    Jeff –
    Pervy will be right over to blow you.
    Hope you like Apple Martini’s too.
    Asshat huh? And I get criticized by yet another autistic Vikes fan for saying “boner biter”

  139. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 4, 2009 5:50 PM

    One more thing.. Which one of the gaywads at the capitol yesterday are each of you guys?
    Here’s my guesses:
    Jeff: you’re probably the Supergay guy wearing the purple tights and yellow cape at the 1:56 mark. Aren’t you at least a little embarassed wearing that outfit? I don’t care what you say about Minneapolis–if that ensemble doesn’t get you beat up then there’s serious problems in that state.
    Pervis: you’ve got to be the guy wearing the dangly women’s earrings with the fence drawn on his face at the 47 second mark.
    DocBG: this is a tough one, but I think you might be the guy with the Patriots logo on his shield at the 2:04 mark. Why does the shield have the old Patriots logo?
    http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/Vikings-Fans-Rally-Team-State-Capitol-dec-03-2009

  140. psukonthis says: Dec 4, 2009 5:57 PM

    I’m desperately looking for that list of 15 rb’s some moron would take over mr peterson?
    2 defensive players in nfl history have been named nfl mvp.
    Alan Page(1970) & Lawerence Taylor.(1986).
    Both players absolutely dominated the game in those years both on the field and on the stat page.
    Charles Woodson doesn’t even lead the league in INT’s.
    If any defensive player this year “belongs in the discussion”. It is Darren Sharper.
    There, Woodson has been allowed into the discussion., and now that part of the discussion is over.
    Now please, somebody post up that list of 15?
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Bueller????

  141. psukonthis says: Dec 4, 2009 6:01 PM

    LOBOTOMYPACKFAN=
    LBPACKFAN-
    Really dude. You continue to prove you’re an idiot. Stop before karma dictates your team is stuck with Ryan Grant clones for eternity.

  142. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 4, 2009 6:02 PM

    LBPACKFAN says:
    December 4, 2009 5:36 PM
    Jeff –
    Pervy will be right over to blow you.
    Hope you like Apple Martini’s too.
    Asshat huh? And I get criticized by yet another autistic Vikes fan for saying “boner biter”
    ——————————
    Now you’re going to bash autistic kids? You ought to just backtrack on the 4th best RB comment and logoff for the day. No sense continuing this.

  143. PervyHarvin says: Dec 4, 2009 6:03 PM

    @ shitterson – See,I created peace between him and jeff. It is one things to disagree football talk,but since you are slow Karl Childers,let me explain it. He was bashing jeffs contest,which I’m sure you loved since jeff owns you daily. We are more a team over here,you Pack douches just keep cat fighting with one another,ok? And no,I wouldn’t defend a retarded take by a Viking fan. I would educate him. That my son,is what seperates us civilized fan bases from you ingrates.
    LBPackFan-They haven’t caught you yet??

  144. footballrulz says: Dec 4, 2009 6:37 PM

    Adam, jeff, Pervy
    You guys are taking this way too seriously. I know you guys love the smack talk and all that BS but now you’re just trading insults. Adam you are making a very good accounting of yourself but your up against 2 of the best shit slingers I know. (Well, not personally) And it appears Beer Cheese has disappeared.
    Come on guys–you all know that neither one of you is going to give the other one the benefit of the doubt and each of you throw out some shit to prove your point. Now it’s just who gets the best insult evidently.
    It’s football. Good years, mediocre years and bad years. Great fans and great knowledge, all three of you and extremely entertaining reading but geez.
    Pervy–I think they’ve got LBPACKFAN & DocBG cornered at the same 7-11 parking lot–in the phone booth-together–one seems to be kneeling but they are not sure which yet. It appears Fan-of-Four is on lookout. Details to follow.
    There guys–if your gonna insult someone, insult someone worth insulting.

  145. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 4, 2009 7:14 PM

    footballrulz says:
    December 4, 2009 6:37 PM
    There guys–if your gonna insult someone, insult someone worth insulting.
    —————————-
    If I followed this advice I’d never visit this site.

  146. jeff says: Dec 4, 2009 7:21 PM

    Rulz:
    Yeah, I know Jeff isn’t any fun, i reversed the nickname and screenname, not to worry, I’ll be banned shortly under this name I’m sure.
    As for Adam, we actually had a civilized chat at one time and both agreed that it didn’t sit well with either one of us. I do think we have fallen into the oneupsmanship trap, but him and I will never agree on most things.
    I actually think that he’s pissed because he didn’t get asshat of the week!
    Rulz, you are on of my favorite posters, no worries, I dont take this too seriously.
    Pervy, is funny as hell and i love he has that knack of getting under peoples skin so easily.
    Shitterson: nah wasn’t at the rally, i live 3 hours away from the TC and I have a job.
    I really hope you weren’t stroking to the clip because you thought it was pervy and I.
    LB:
    You were called out because of “boner biter”
    it sounds middle schoolish. Asshat means you have your head in your ass.
    Don’t take offense dude, but if you are going to post dumb shit like you did, prepare to get shit for it.
    Beer was on another thread, I just think he got sick of dealing with Super. Super is actually a pretty good guy. Super is Beer’s Adam.
    Later guys, I’m going to go have a few jack and cokes with Super. Well, more than a few.
    Ripping Shitterson a new one always makes me thirsty.

  147. jeff says: Dec 4, 2009 7:23 PM

    Adam-Chris Scheftersen says:
    December 4, 2009 7:14 PM
    footballrulz says:
    December 4, 2009 6:37 PM
    There guys–if your gonna insult someone, insult someone worth insulting.
    —————————-
    If I followed this advice I’d never visit this site.
    ==============================
    Please follow this advice!!
    You wouldn’t be missed at all.

  148. Tompadre says: Dec 5, 2009 7:13 AM

    Justin Pugh said:
    “I’ll say this with out equivocation….
    Any running back that fumbles the ball 1/2 as many times as they score touch downs is garbage. I don’t care if they can fly through the air. I don’t care if he rushes for 3,000 yards.
    He wouldn’t play for the Indianapolis Colts I know that for sure!”
    Edjerrin James first six years with the Indianapolis Colts –
    Total Touchdowns – 61
    Total Fumbles – 31
    OUCH!
    Know much Justin??

  149. Tompadre says: Dec 5, 2009 8:02 AM

    Adam Chris –
    I understand your reasoning about players having outstanding seasons, but the award is MVP, not Player of the Year or Most Outstanding Player.
    Obviously a player, who is having a great year on a very successful team, and is the biggest reason for his teams success, has more VALUE than someone putting up big numbers on a team that is mediocre or worse. The word VALUABLE is what links the award to the team eliment – it’s the measure of worth to the team. The greater the teams success or accomplishments (or worth)the greater the worth of the players contributions to that success.

  150. footballrulz says: Dec 5, 2009 9:42 AM

    OK guys–as long as your having fun, I’ll keep reading & STFU.

  151. Mr High and Mighty says: Dec 5, 2009 1:32 PM

    Yeah, Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson, Barry Sanders, Bo Jackson, OJ Simpson and Emmitt Smith all should have been benched. Look at their fumble numbers at football reference. Dickerson was in a class of his own. Payton was close to it though. All those guys sucked.

  152. chunky soupy sales says: Dec 5, 2009 4:19 PM

    And 387 carries is just a little more than Peterson’s carries last year. So what? So Bieniemy’s career rushing numbers are comparable to Peterson’s numbers from last year. Fumbles included.
    The point being that a guy who fumbled the ball once for every TD he scored may not be the best guy to have giving advise about how to cure a problem.
    Maybe, just maybe the fact that he had as many attempts in 9 years as Peterson gets in a year says he may have really sucked.

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  155. gorvike says: Dec 25, 2009 2:22 PM

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  157. gorvike says: Dec 25, 2009 2:26 PM

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  158. Murgen says: Dec 29, 2009 6:21 PM

    # whosthisguy says: December 4, 2009 9:13 AM
    Take the good with the bad. 3rd Vikes lost 1 game this season and AP didn’t fumble in that game. It hasn’t cost them a game….yet…..
    UPDATE: He just cost you a game. A critical one no less.

  159. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 30, 2009 11:25 AM

    Tompadre says:
    December 5, 2009 7:13 AM
    Justin Pugh said:
    “I’ll say this with out equivocation….
    Any running back that fumbles the ball 1/2 as many times as they score touch downs is garbage. I don’t care if they can fly through the air. I don’t care if he rushes for 3,000 yards.
    He wouldn’t play for the Indianapolis Colts I know that for sure!”
    Edjerrin James first six years with the Indianapolis Colts –
    Total Touchdowns – 61
    Total Fumbles – 31
    OUCH!
    Know much Justin??
    —————————-
    IMO, Justin’s criteria (TD to fumble ratio) is silly. A better barometer is fumbles per touch. That tells the real story.
    Peterson: 49.4 touches per fumble
    Edgerrin James in his first six years with Indy: 69 touches per fumble
    Not even close. And if you include the 7th year (and I know exactly why you didn’t), James averaged 77 touches per fumble in his Colts days. It’s a far cry from Peterson’s rate.

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