Comments on: Dungy calls lack of black college coaches "disgraceful"

By: chunky soupy sales

chunky soupy sales — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:17:42 +0000

“Racism is alive and well in this country. If you do not think so, then try walking in another man’s shoes. ”
But first I must be sure they are not stolen.
hey Yooooooo!

By: Real Football Fan

Real Football Fan — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:55:52 +0000

Oh yeah, Mike Gillespie, a white man, coached men’s basketball at Florida A&M University (a historically black college) to great success for years. I’m sure there are others.

By: Real Football Fan

Real Football Fan — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:44:57 +0000

Saturday fan ,
With all due respect, do you know how stupid you sound? Do you even know the original purpose of those colleges? Do you study history, or is all that shit from just 40 years ago a fairy tale to you? And yes, white people can attend those schools, nobody’s stopping them. I personally have seen white people attending these historically black universities, but I’m sure you were unaware of that when you pulled out your stock answer to defend the indefensible.
The very reason for these merit scholarships being created and distributed to these minority students, not just by the United Negro College Fund, but by large corporations like McDonald’s and so many others is to give these minority students opportunities that simply aren’t there. Furthermore, it’s an absurd argument since there are merit and need based scholarships literally based on damn near anything under the sun if you’d look.
Look at the President…he was the only black person in his class. Do you think only one black man in the whole country was worthy of being at Harvard at the same time as him? Do you really believe that? Or does it make more logical sense that white men from afluent families (there’s that power structure concept based on slavery and past mistreatment of minorities to gain and maintain this affluence again) usually are overwhelmingly afforded those opportunities in larger numbers. Therefore, minority students’ margins for error once they were given those opportunities were so much smaller, just because there weren’t any other minority students there. Breaking the cycle is what we’re trying to do, then we can move into the fantasy world that you white Americans want to skip down to, ignoring those indiscretions.
Japanese Americans and their ancestors were paid millions for their mistreatment during the internment camp fiasco of World WAr II. However, you have the balls to complain about affirmative action, simply legislation to address these many racially motivated issues created by the legacy of slavery, plunder of the Native American culture, and so many other atrocities perpetrated by the white power structure in this country’s history to create the uneven playing field in the first place?
Do you really believe that systematically having black families destroyed for generations through slavery, and then continuing to treat them like second classs citizens for an additional 100 years can be so easily overcome in 40 yearss. Do you really believe that, my man? I hope you’re brighter than that. I hope youre smarter than thinking that since the government enacted Civil Rights legislation that the majority of affluent white powerful people simply evolved over the last 40 years as they grew into adults in the positions of power.
Quite frankly, you people who are responding with knee jerk reactions based on your race colored glasses are missing the point. You’re not even in a position to affect the change we’re talking about because you’re not in positions of power, so I don’t know why you’re even commenting on the situation. Neither are you a minority, so you don’t know what goes on from that end either, sorry. So shut up.
This institutional cycle must be broken so that our country can move forward together toward one goal. No one race should have built in advantages, and right now, that’s overwhelmingly in favor of affluent white men. This legislation is arm twisting in the meantime until we get to a place where we’re all just Americans in the eyes of those in power. Sorry, but we’re not there yet.
The Rooney rule is a perfect example. For coaching hires, I think the rule has served its purpose and the league can retract the rule. Coaches are coaches now, good and bad. That’s the goal people at every level of business. However, this rule also underlines how arm twisting is still necessary for bright people to see the light. While minority coaches have succeeded and failed just like their white counterparts, the practices haven’t extended to the front office jobs. Now, do you think there are only 3 qualified minority front office types in the NFL? Do you really believe that? Point is that smart, afluent men who’ve seen the similar results for minority coaches to their white counterparts haven’t generally taken a leap on their own to include those people in front office searches, especially when 2 of the minority GM’s are considered among the NFL’s best (Jerry Reese and Ozzie Newsome).
Now, this is a bottom line business with a lot of smart people in positions of power, but they’re having to be nudged in the right direction of inclusiveness in the process. Therefore, why would you assume that prominent white affluent men in positions of power at large corporations are so enlightened?
I guarantee that the number of these qualified minority front office types filling these positions will increase. The point is to make the current unnormal, the normal going forward. Unfortunately, some arm twisting is necessary to get there right now because the current people in power have to make too big of an adjustment to feel comfortable doing so on their own.
What you other people can do is to teach your children better, not to see color, so that we don’t have racially motivated splits in this country, but we’re talking about business practices right now…apples and oranges.

By: Saturday fan

Saturday fan — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:11:50 +0000

Dungy:
What is the racial breakdown on BCS Football scholarship money?
What is the racial breakdown of the 80,000 plus BCS fans in the stadiums each week paying the cost of those scholarships?
How many white kids are getting scholarships in the UNCF ( United Negro College Fund) supported Football programs? How many white coaches are there in those schools? Why is this not racism?
There are 39 schools.
1. Allen University, Columbia, SC 21. Oakwood University, Huntsville, AL
2. Benedict College, Columbia, SC 22. Paine College, Augusta, GA
3. Bennett College, Greensboro, NC 23. Paul Quinn College, Dallas, TX
4. Bethune-Cookman University, Daytona Beach, FL 24. Philander Smith College, Little Rock, AR
5. Claflin University, Orangeburg, SC 25. Rust College, Holly Springs, MS
6. Clark Atlanta University, Atlanta, GA 26. Saint Augustine’s College, Raleigh, NC
7. Dillard University, New Orleans, LA 27. Saint Paul’s College, Lawrenceville, VA
8. Edward Waters College, Jacksonville, FL 28. Shaw University, Raleigh, NC
9. Fisk University, Nashville, TN 29. Spelman College, Atlanta, GA
10. Florida Memorial University, Miami, FL 30. Stillman College, Tuscaloosa, AL
11. Huston-Tillotson University, Austin, TX 31. Talladega College, Talladega, AL
12. Interdenominational Theological Ctr, Atlanta, GA 32. Texas College, Tyler, TX
13. Jarvis Christian College, Hawkins, TX 33. Tougaloo College, Tougaloo, MS
14. Johnson C. Smith University, Charlotte, NC 34. Tuskegee University, Tuskegee, AL
15. Lane College, Jackson, TN 35. Virginia Union University, Richmond, VA
16. LeMoyne-Owen College, Memphis, TN 36. Voorhees College, Denmark, SC
17. Livingstone College, Salisbury, NC 37. Wilberforce University, Wilberforce, OH
18. Miles College, Birmingham, AL 38. Wiley College, Marshall, TX
19. Morehouse College, Atlanta, GA 39. Xavier University, New Orleans, LA
20. Morris College, Sumter, SC

By: Real Football Fan

Real Football Fan — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:25:34 +0000

pork star ,
And do you think the majority of white Americans are in that place right now? Just scroll up and look at these comments. If the population at large isn’t in that place where they only look at the merits of a person, why would you ever take the leap that those in positions of power, mostly white Americans, have become enlightened?
For all of you white people who refuse to accept the horrible legacies of this nation and the necessity to try to correct those insitutionalized problems in the meantime, I challenge you to get one of these makeup artists to make you a “black” person, latin person, or any minority for that matter for a year. Go out everyday as a minority in this country and let’s see if your perspective doesn’t change because you have no idea of what still goes on, not just socially, but in the business world at large.

By: Real Football Fan

Real Football Fan — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:10:36 +0000

@DanSnyderSux,
That kind of attitude is what we need to create overall change in this society. However,
that’s not helping to close the discrepancy in opportunities for minorities as opposed to similarly qualified white Americans and bad business practices slanted against minorities in this country in the meantime. With all due respect, we’re talking about the current white, entrenched power structure’s refusal to include qualified minorities to advance to higher profiles. Unless you’re in such a position of authority to make that kind of change, we’re talking about apples and oranges.
Nine times out of ten, if there was no affirmative action in place for these businesses, and there were 2 qualified people of white and some minority background, the minority candidate being slightly more qualified than the white candidate. Who do you think would get the job. If you’re in denial about the most likely result, you’re truly naive. You’re truly naive if you think that the majority of the white men who grew up with a sense of superiority rooted in our own government’s view of various minorities in comparison to white people would just automatically become enlightened over time to include those people once in a position, which many of those people are now.
There are business practices to simply throw resumes away based on ethnic sounding names in order to eliminate minority candidates. I know this practice exists from white friends in such a position. Ask yourself, why does the ethnicity question exist on a job application if there is to be such an even playing field. Finally, I’ll ask one more time. Why does the white population always have a lower unemployment rate than all other minorities at all times? While this rate is currently about 10%, it’s generally twice that figure in these minority communities. Why is that. White people aren’t generally harder working, more educated superior beings to their minority counterparts in this country to validate this gap by the percentages.
There is simply no explanation or excuse for such huge discrepencies except for the inherent power structure here and that has to change, now, not in 40 more years..

By: chapnasty

chapnasty — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:52:50 +0000

@ von
How about we dont want to admit something that isnt true just to make people like tony dungy wrong? that is the first error in your post. second, are you implying that black peopel should only associate with black people because they are on the same level? idiot. sorry but that is idiotic. that’s half the problem people like you think that the only people that can co-exist are people who are alike. that is the biggest load of crap ever. why not mix everyone together, let people learn of the ways of others and either help out one or strive to be the other. your view is the problem sir.

By: KWKen

KWKen — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:48:46 +0000

@ UffDaItsBryan
I made a mistake when I said Ray Sherman, I had meant to say Sherman Lewis was never offered an interview following a Super Bowl win as offensive coordinator.
Marc Trestman was miserable coordinator with the Browns, Cardinals, Raiders, and 49ers. He keeps getting chances because of his race. If you are black and you are fortunate enough to get the head coaching or coordinator job, you better be great because you’re one and done. If Belicheck was a black man and did a poor job with the Browns as he did, he never would have gotten another shot.
If you re-read my first post, I said “at the time” A. Schulman had seven plants. I live in Akron, OH and the first plant that A. Schulman closed was the Akron plant. Strange seeing how the company is headquartered in Akron. Maybe because it had the highest ratio of black employees which was about 15% in a city with a black population of about 30%.
Those link that you posted regarding ways to report racial harassment was laughable. The world doesn’t work that way. I have made complaints to the EEOC several times. I had invited them into the plant to see the KKK insignias and the many nooses hanging all around the plant. To my knowledge, they never visited. I say that because of the several filed complaints, zero were investigated. I would get the formal letters stating that the case is closed. Amazing, since an investigator had not so much as make a call to me.
Two months ago, while playing pool in a friend’s bar, at least ten cops entered demanding everyone’s ID without cause. I had asked what is wrong but they demanded my ID. I refused and I was handcuffed and searched for my ID. A friend had recorded me being cuffed on his Iphone, an officer had snatched his phone and erased the recording. He was threatened with arrest. He is a lieutenant on the fire dept.. We were all detained for two hours and then let go. No charges were filed against anyone in the bar. That is what happens in a black man’s world. I have filed a formal police complaint, I have written the local newspaper. Nothing ever comes of it. My next step is to file with the ACLU.
Rose colored glasses are great for fairy tales and fantasy land but remove them for the real world.

By: VonClausewitz

VonClausewitz — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:22:52 +0000

Of course it’s because of race. If you want an example of racial bias just re-read the comments on this article, find the ones that think Dungy is way off base and demonstrate that the arguments used there aren’t either too generalized or contain simplistic excuses. You can’t.
Dungy is right.
It never fails that when someone says something people don’t want to hear the excuse list comes out. People, in my experience, are afraid of admitting what’s in front of their eyes when that admission would make them look bad or indicate that their opinions are part of the problem. That’s just how it is. That’s why we have apologists for politicians, corrupt industry, etc. Until people on the whole can put their own perceived self-interest aside in favor of the truth, these problems will continue. This doesn’t mean blind acceptance of ideas because they are fashionable or politically correct. It means critical thought until you’ve found the most fitting explanation. In this case, it should be very very obvious that racial bias is preventing blacks from coaching.
Lemme put it to you this way. Blacks are over-represented in pro and college sports compared to the population. Blacks experience, in general, much greater social and economic barriers than whites. These are just the facts. You would think that the best candidates for coaching jobs would be those coaches who can communicate best with the athletic demographic and those who have a proven record of success. Well there are plenty of black coaches with proven records. And it should be obvious that black coaches will be able to relate to the black players better due to common life experiences. Which means that if anything blacks should be be overrepresented in the coaching population. And they aren’t. There’s only one explanation for why not.

By: texasPHINSfan

texasPHINSfan — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:20:53 +0000

I think it is just coincidence.
OR, perhaps it is because the best guys for the jobs happen to be white? Just like the best players at many of those positions on the field happen to be black?
I don’t think it’s a racial issue – I think we highlight it and MAKE it a racial issue by pointing crap like this out. There have been black coaches (I won’t call them “African American” because they are not from Africa) in college football. Tyrone Willingham did a very poor job as a head coach – even led his team last year to a winless season – the first in that school’s history.
They get their chances just like everyone else. College programs want to win – I don’t think they are discriminating on purpose. The fact is getting the HC job is earned by years and years of hard work at other, lower levels. Belichick tired away as a defensive coordinator for years before he became a HC. Same with Saban. Those are white guys who didn’t just “fall” into a HC job.
Next year you’ll probably see Charlie Strong earn a head coaching job in the NCAA. Why? Because he did a great job with Florida’s defense (well, except against Alabama anyway). My point is the minority coaches will get their chance in time when they prove their abilities on coordinator levels. Show me a black coach who isn’t a head coach but deserves to be in college football, that likely isn’t getting a shot in the very near future.
What’s next, pointing out the fact that since we don’t have many white rappers, that the hip hop industry is racist? Give me a break. Let’s be reasonable here…. This sport is 90% black. Why do we need to cry about the percentage of black players & people in every facet of this sport? Does it have to be 100% black before everyone is happy? :rolleyes:

By: pork star

pork star — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:38:04 +0000

“There’s no hope for people like you who’re constantly focused on minorities “taking” something from you or your race.”
What kind of BS is that? It’s not about taking anything away from anyone or their race. Perhaps we should treat people like Martin Luther King wanted us to… to judge each other on the content of our character and not the color of our skin.
Like MLK, I think the world is a better place if we’re all colorblind.
The problem is people like yourself, “RealFootballFan”, that can’t see the world without focusing on race. And for the record, I’m not white. I just don’t share your racist worldview.

By: DanSnyderSux

DanSnyderSux — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:34:43 +0000

Chapnasty, I agree with that. Rants from the likes of Kanye West and Al Sharpton make legitimate concers from other minorities look like they’re crying wolf. And I can see how a LOT of people can be turned off by them because they do come out as attackers. What really needs to happen is for both sides to sit down in a “peaceful” manner, and just explain their respective experiences without screaming such terms as “racists” or “pulling the race card.” Frankly, that’s where all of this needs to start.

By: chapnasty

chapnasty — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:22:09 +0000

@ dan
not trying to really disrespect you or realfootballfan… but it is frustrating from a white persons point of view. My family has never owned a slave, im pretty sure you werent ever a slave and neither was anyone on here. I dont owe you a thing except personal respect as a human regardless of color. I am man enough, and mature enough to see that. unfortunately there are a lot of redneck racist scumbags that cant get over it, but you know what, there are people like kanye west and such who blame everything on white people. it isnt fair nor accurate and as a white person it is above and beyond annoying.

By: DanSnyderSux

DanSnyderSux — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:05:44 +0000

And chapnasty, your response to RealFootballFan shows that you assume ALL black youths follow those eight stereotypical points you listed. Until you’ve walked in a minority’s shoes and really understand that person’s historical position, you’re not in a position to tell people to, “Get over it,” nor will YOU ever grow up.

By: DanSnyderSux

DanSnyderSux — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:03:12 +0000

@ chapnasty, I’ll take each of your points:
my point is that until people stop seeing people as colors and start seeing people as people then we are never going to change. we cant reverse the past but you and i can raise our children to see past things like color. that is on us. i think our generation is more euqaul than the last and the next will be better too. but until we stop giving people special treatment because of the color of their skin, there will always be resentment and anger towards another man or woman. its time for us as a society to evolve and grow up.
That’s the problem! A LOT of people STILL see color. It’s not about “reversing the past.” It’s about recognizing how that past, to quote RealFootballFan, has “systematically the African-American family structure,” leading to the wide disparaties in employment, education, housing, and criminal justice, for example. The “special treatment” you whine about is merely trying to fix the mess 400 years of racial oppression in this country created.
i didnt get any scholarships to college because of the color of my skin. i didnt get to go to an all black school like grambling. i worked my way through college, am paying that crap off and working to be better myself. advantages? get over it, white people come up from being poor too. now who’s ignorant?
Black unemployment is much higher than that of their white counterparts. The OPPORTUNITIES you had to “work your way through college” exist more for you. Many blacks can’t afford to go to college because they either don’t have jobs, come from a one-parent household or receive substandard education — all factors created by an oppressive system that’s been in existence since Columbus came to this country. Yes, I know that there are poor white people. But, when systems are run by people who look like them and may not necessarily be comfortable with the presence of black people, those poor whites have better chances to advance than their minority counterparts.
@ RealFootballFan — Well said!

By: chapnasty

chapnasty — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:36:26 +0000

@ realfootballfan
I think all of us can understand youth of the black communities struggles in today’s America:
1.Their icons make it rain at strip clubs and call women the most degrading names with hip hop music
2. Rappers refer to a pimp as an ideal career
3. Their idols in the news beat their women (chris brown)
4. continously call themselves the “n” word like it is a cool thing
5. they immortalize the “thug” way of life
6. have people like jessie jackson and al sharpton say that even if they do not succeed at something it is the “white man’s fault” not the possibility of they just fell a little short and need to get up, dust themselves off and try again.
7. Tell their children that the only way they can get a job is by using affirmative action and not by their god given talents
8. I could go on but you get the point….
The fact is if a martial could put together a winning football program, they’d be coaching too. until you can see it from that point of view, or at least want to, then you will never grow.

By: Bigbluefan

Bigbluefan — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:07:07 +0000

Does Tony think the ND would not hire a black man if he were the best man for the job
Get a grip Tony its 2009 stop the bitching

By: topcide

topcide — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:54:34 +0000

pehaps the black community should look toward itself for this issue.
Most people know it but few people people will admit it- the black community needs to get their act together. The culture that dominates black communties in america is self destructive. Unless the black community starts acting like what is the accepted social norm there will continue to be disparities among ALL institutions of employment.
For example, speaking improper english is widespread and accepted, while speaking proper english is often considered “white.” I know that If I have the position of A.D. at a BCS school and someone, regardless of race, uses double negatives and says “aint” during the interview process then there is no chance I hire them.
Peronally I see this as an issue of culture, not race.

By: chapnasty

chapnasty — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:43:29 +0000

@ Dansnyder
if my ignorance is bad than your stupidity is worse. obviously you dont know what ignorance even means. but anyhow…. my point is that until people stop seeing people as colors and start seeing people as people then we are never going to change. we cant reverse the past but you and i can raise our children to see past things like color. that is on us. i think our generation is more euqaul than the last and the next will be better too. but until we stop giving people special treatment because of the color of their skin, there will always be resentment and anger towards another man or woman. its time for us as a society to evolve and grow up.
opportunities??? i didnt get any scholarships to college because of the color of my skin. i didnt get to go to an all black school like grambling. i worked my way through college, am paying that crap off and working to be better myself. advantages? get over it, white people come up from being poor too. now who’s ignorant?

By: Real Football Fan

Real Football Fan — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:40:47 +0000

Oh, and I love that asinine comparison of evening out white players in the NFL, when those positions are simply based on athletic, God given ability. If a Martian came down and ran a 4.2 with great hands, he’d be lining up somewhere on the field. Reading these commets, which I sadly expected, no wonder America has gone down the tubes. KWKen , too many white Americans don’t see your point because they don’t want to. Instead, they want to give you their sob stories of how some minority took their job because of quotas, which is a bunch of bullshit. The unemployment rate is always hirer in the minority communities, always. Why is that. A majority of white people don’t have more education, more skills, aren’t harder working. However, these dummies don’t understand that just 40 years ago, black people were treated like 2nd class citizens in this country. They don’t want to accept that those same white people that grew up during those times have inherited positions of power today. They don’t want to accept that many of these afluent white people got into those positions of afluence through generations of building wealth and businesses with free labor during the slave trade….not for a few years, but for generations. Ever wonder where the hell some of these afluent men with money buying these sports franchises got that money, how many times do you hear about the such and such white family with loads of cash that goes in all directions, but there simply is no explanation for such wealth? When do you hear about such and such minority family in a similar position? Not much because 40 years since minorities have even been formally identified by the government as more than second class citizens and not using free labor for 200 plus years makes it difficult to build that kind of power structure in such a short period of time, considering the previous restrictions, even if you’re the best at what you do.
That’s one hell of a head start, that’s one hell of an advantage for white Americans to remain entrenched in power, which makes evening that power structure in this country quite difficult don’t you think, until more inclusive, level headed people truly want to see change?
And you have the audacity to poo poo any affirmative action legislation in light of what was done….it’s a small request considering the grand scheme, any reasonable person without an agenda would think.
However, I’m amazed that idiots still don’t realize that horrible legacy and think a simple, “my bad,” and “let’s move forward” suffice without trying to address the sins of their forefathers. Not understanding that systematically destroying not only the African American family structure through the abhorent slave trade in this country, but also what was done to other minorities on so many other levels before and after that period in American history is the reason for continued racial strife and why we can’t come together as a complete nation to get anything meaningful done.

By: UffDaItsBryan

UffDaItsBryan — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:39:03 +0000

@ KWKen
I’m pretty sure 90% of your post is racial crapola. Let’s take a look shall we.
Ray Sherman – was never the offensive coordinator of the Packers. He was the wide receiver coach. ( 2000 – 2004 ) He was an offensive coordinator twice though. He managed to help Bill Cower to his first losing season as the Steelers head coach by guiding the team to a 7 – 9 record ( 1998 ) and then to take the 15-1 ( 1998 ) Vikings down to a 10-6 ( 1999 ) record. Like you, I am shocked he was never elevated to the ranks of NFL head coach. Obviously, there is racial bias at work.
Marc Trestman – (1983 – 1984) QB coach, Miami university. Coached Bernie Kosar to the best two passing years in school history, and won a national championship. ( 1989 ) As the Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator, lead them to the AFC championship game. ( 1995 ) As the San Fran 49ers O.C. – lead the NFL in points scored. ( 1998 ) O.C. for the Arizona Cards and they won their first post-season game in 51 years. ( 2001 ) O.C. for the Oakland Raiders who had the top offense in the NFL and went to the Super Bowl. and finally ( 2007 – present ) the head coach of the Montreal Allouttes of the CFL where he has been coach of the year and won the Grey Cup. No idea why this guy’s name pops up.
A.Shulman ( an Akron, OH. company ) has 4 U.S. based plants, not 7. And as per the A. Shulman Inc. website, please refer to http://www.aschulman.com/_writecontent/financial_pdf/ASICodeOfConduct.pdf – Section L for how to handle you perceived injustices. Their stand on discrimination and harassment is very well defined.
You sir, are part of the problem, not a victim.

By: Adam-Chris Scheftersen

Adam-Chris Scheftersen — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:34:46 +0000

As I’ve said, I wish people would stop crying race and start looking at this from a more analytical standpoint. Gather the data, find out how many minority coordinators and assistant coaches there are in the NCAA and compare that ratio to the number of minority head coaches.
Players DO NOT jump into head coaching positions. There are steps up. So stop comparing the ratio of minority players to the ratio of minority head coaches.
Until someone can point to hard numbers, there’s no evidence of widespread racist decisions in the NCAA at all. On a case-by-case basis, sure. I think you could point to unqualified white guys who were hired when better qualified minorities were available. But we ought to find out IF there’s a systemic problem before setting our hair on fire and running around.

By: Kevin from Philly

Kevin from Philly — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:18:52 +0000

I hear Penn State has a plan to hire a black head coach after JoPa retires. Sometime around the turn of the NEXT century.

By: Cereal Blogger

Cereal Blogger — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:14:31 +0000

Its nice to see that Martians are concerned w/ the plight of Afrian Americans.
This is the second time I am posting this, is this inappropriate ??

By: Favre On HGH

Favre On HGH — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:53:58 +0000

Same reason there are so few black QB’s in the pros, takes a high level of intelligence. Not saying it is impossible, plenty have succeeded, they are just the few who work hard enough to achieve.
Quite a few black QB’s in college where offenses are simpler, plenty get drafted, they just don’t work in the Pro game where things are tougher.

By: ninerblitz

ninerblitz — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:53:05 +0000

Terms like “Race Card”, “Reverse-Discrimination” and Rush Limbaugh are the media psychology of man that hinders progress. Millions of lives have been lost through the centuries because of hatred, disrespect and prejudice. This is a forum of anger and prejudice. Hence, there will be no solutions, no compromise, and no progress. This forum represents a small schism of the problem with America. This is why no progress will be made until we learn to work together.
Now, I would want my children to be coached by a strong leader, a winner. A Bill Walsh type. I don’t care if the coach is Hispanic, Caucasian, Black, Native American, etc.
Dungy made a strong comment on national TV. This comment got the attention of the public. He said it respectfully, it was based on the big colleges. So hopefully, the schools heard the message.
So at this point it is TV and public perception. You can bitch about it, or you get off your arse and do something (Contact colleges, show producers).

By: BENITO

BENITO — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:47:19 +0000

when did tony dungy become the end all on race in sports? tired of listening to his OPPINION!

By: Bill Cowher's Chin

Bill Cowher's Chin — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:45:56 +0000

Is it possible, that generally speaking, black folks are far more gifted athletically, and white folks are more gifted in coaching? I dont know the answer to that question, however, it seems like a fair question. Think about it
Pro sports are dominated by black athletes. So the few white athletes that did make it to the pros, made it because they were decent athletes, but also excelled in the mental aspect of the sport. Playing smarter, not harder. If you are Lebron James, for example, and you are THAT good at basketball, it doesnt matter if you are the smartest player. But if you are John Stockton (to remain in the same sport for the comparison), you arent going to outrun, or out quick, etc, you are going to outsmart your opponent.
Then you can take those smarts, and apply it to coaching. Just a thought, not sure how accurate.
We have seen guys like Michael Jordan, who was arguably the greatest basketball player in NBA history, FAIL miserably in the front office, etc. I think that is proof right there that skill doesnt necessarily translate to coaching/front office jobs

By: DanSnyderSux

DanSnyderSux — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:40:09 +0000

@ chapnasty
Your ignorance makes me sick. I guess you forget about the fact that many colleges didn’t even want minorities attending their facilities and, even when they did integrate, they treated them like second-class citizens. What everyone seems to ignore or fails to realize is that the racist institutions from the past had ripple effects that still exist today, whether you want to believe it or not. An entire race was set back 200-plus years because this country had legal separation. If you don’t believe me, look at today’s racial disparaties in housing, jobs, education and incarcerations.
While yes it should boil down to the best person for the job, many minorities often are at a severe disadvantage because they don’t enjoy the same benefits and privileges as their white counterparts. That’s the basis of such concepts as affirmative action and the Rooney Rule. Offering opportunities to those groups who, under normal circumstances, wouldn’t have a chance to compete.
@ bomgoat — It’s naive to think that there aren’t still racial problems in this country. The fact that you refuse to even consider it demonstrates that.

By: Kage10

Kage10 — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:40:03 +0000

I don’t like this. There is pressure to hire black coaches and then universities will hire a coach just because they are black. Happened at my university and the program is going into the ground. It’s offensive.