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Revenue-sharing changes could force Vikings to L.A.

With the NFL scuttling supplemental revenue sharing and Minnesota facing a ten-figure budget deficit, the planets could be getting a bit closer to aligning in a way that sends the Vikings to a new town.

Presumably, to Los Angeles.

Sean Jensen of the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports that the league’s refusal to continue with supplemental revenue sharing will cost the Vikings $15 million to $20 million per year.

And so, if the extra money to help make the team profitable in Minnesota won’t be available, the Vikings might have to move to a market where more money will come from the local fans and businesses.

Like Los Angeles.

Complicating matters is the reality that Minnesota is projecting a $1.2 billion shortfall, which will make it even harder for the Vikings to secure public financing for a new stadium.

Then there’s the fact that the clock is ticking, even more loudly than the biological mechanisms of Mona Lisa Veto.

The team’s lease at the Metrodome expires after the 2011 season.  At that point, the Vikings can go wherever they want, if enough of the rest of the NFL’s owners approve.

It would be hard to envision enough of the rest of the owners not approving a move out of Minnesota, given that the owners have contributed to this mess by pulling the plug on a revenue stream that is helping to keep the team afloat in the Land of 10,000 Lakes.
 

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  1. FootballPhil says: Dec 7, 2009 5:41 PM

    Here comes the mass suicides by the losers in Minnesota!! HAHAHA

  2. blackglass says: Dec 7, 2009 5:42 PM

    Yeah, those LA fans are pretty supportive. Not giving a crap about the Raiders, showing up halfway into the second quarter of Lakers games. That LA stadium will have more tarps on it than the one in Jacksonville after 2 years, tops.

  3. Bird Man says: Dec 7, 2009 5:42 PM

    Yea Minnesota is definitely the worst state.

  4. texasPHINSfan says: Dec 7, 2009 5:43 PM

    Hasn’t LA proven several times they can’t sustain a professional football team?

  5. SATAN567 says: Dec 7, 2009 5:43 PM

    So does this mean that we are looking at the London Jaguars, Florio? I don’t think the NFL will ever put two teams in L.A. again, and clearly the Jags are in need of a new home. Possibly San Antonio?

  6. hayward giablommi says: Dec 7, 2009 5:46 PM

    The golden goose is in deteriorating health and in danger of being put on life support.
    Nice going.

  7. MinneapolisResident says: Dec 7, 2009 5:47 PM

    Good thing there is so much more to do in Minnesota than in Wisconsin…like…um….go to the Mall of America? That place is AWESOME! You only have to walk 6 miles to go to the same god damn stores that are in every mall in the country.
    Trust me. They don’t have malls, theatres, museums, music, comedy clubs, other sports team or restaurants or bars in Milwaukee, Madison, Appleton or anywhere else in Wisconsin. Minnesota is GREAT!

  8. Milhouse says: Dec 7, 2009 5:49 PM

    When the Vikings move, that will likely make the Packers the “local” team for television decisions.
    So, which is worse, Viking fans being forced to watch the Packers every Sunday for the rest of their lives, or Packer fans having to watch Brett Favre in purple?

  9. cusoman says: Dec 7, 2009 5:51 PM

    I like how its always the Vikings being talked about in this situation, but there *are* other teams that make less in the grand scheme of the NFL that are also being considered as candidates to move to LA. Take a gander yourself:
    http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/30/football-values-09_NFL-Team-Valuations_Value.html

  10. Kevin from Philly says: Dec 7, 2009 5:53 PM

    Wow, Favre loved New York so much. I bet LA will be even better for him.

  11. jeremiah says: Dec 7, 2009 5:59 PM

    good riddance.

  12. straightup says: Dec 7, 2009 6:00 PM

    You guys better start those bake sales to raise money…lol. I can’t imagine the Vikes leaving MN. I guess the last two days have sucked for you guys.

  13. BurtReynoldsToupee says: Dec 7, 2009 6:01 PM

    I’ve been saying for a while that there is an easy solution to this. The state allows Viking Stadium Lottery tickets. That way no one contributes who doesn’t want to. People who play can win Viking merchandise, tickets, money etc, and maybe even a suite for a year.

  14. RaiderMight says: Dec 7, 2009 6:01 PM

    If they do move, it will be nice to see the Raider fans out number Vikings fans any time the Raiders play them in LA. Just like we do to the Dischargers.

  15. Lamblow Field filled with Dairyland Drunks says: Dec 7, 2009 6:02 PM

    Sad But True. I was at a Rally for a new Vikings stadium and there was only 100 people there December 3rd at the state capitol. The problem is our state leaders dont realize that this is a real threat. Given the turnout at the rally niether do our fans.

  16. bustabloodvessel says: Dec 7, 2009 6:02 PM

    I don’t think minnesota is the only franchise in trouble with this. How many clubs can realistically stay afloat without revenue sharing.

  17. Nobe says: Dec 7, 2009 6:02 PM

    If a team this good can not turn a profit, call Baltimore (the Baltimore Colts or Baltimore Browns) and ask to borrow the trucks!

  18. Ambrose says: Dec 7, 2009 6:03 PM

    This does not bode well for other small market teams either, including Green Bay, private owner or no private owner. I would hate to see it happen. I cannot believe that the (collective) owners want the revenue sharing to go away. For what, so that we can have the same few “Yankees” be in the limelight every year? No thanks. I am enjoying the chase this year and as much as I dislike the insufferable Viking fans and their disproportionate superiority complexes, I wouldn’t have it any other way.

  19. DJSlyBri says: Dec 7, 2009 6:03 PM

    It’s “Vito” not “Veto”

  20. Manbearpig says: Dec 7, 2009 6:04 PM

    Hmm. Let me see if I can use one of your cute little summary formats to encapsulate your past week of Vikings commentary.
    Adrian Peterson fumbles too much. He sucks and needs to be benched.
    The “suddenly average-looking” Vikings lost to the Cardinals Sunday, therefore eliminating their chances of a playoff berth and division title with a 10-2 record.
    The Vikings are moving to L.A. after losing the revenue sharing agreement.
    Favre looks old, after one bad game.
    The Vikings cannot beat the Saints, who are a team of “destiny” after lucking out on a bullshit call against a shitty Redskins team during a game in which the other team missed a 23-yard field goal and was stripped for a touchdown following an interception, two plays for which the odds are astronomical.
    Have I missed anything?
    I know you don’t usually bother checking any facts when making the tremendous leaps in logic for which you have become famous, but couldn’t you at least use some common sense before spewing this verbal diareah (sp?) from your head to your keyboard?

  21. JaxJagtixholder says: Dec 7, 2009 6:04 PM

    Good. Maybe Florio will back off the Jag beatings for a while

  22. Bob Nelson says: Dec 7, 2009 6:08 PM

    Ed Roskie’s stadium not only will make the vikings money but every visiting team will make hundreds of thousands of dollars more than the dank dim stale air 64K Metrodome.
    The vikings have not been pulling their financial weight and the league should get out of bad NFL markets.
    If Roskie gets two teams there is more money for everyone.
    It always was a mistake taking that AFL franchise and putting it in Green Bay’s territory.
    From the upper peninsula to Idaho, the Northern Tier states have always been huge Packer fans.
    The NFL’s ratings will skyrocket in Minnesota, and the Dakotas as the Packers are back on the air there like they used to be.
    Nobody will miss the vikings courtroom appearances.

  23. jaydee327 says: Dec 7, 2009 6:11 PM

    its probably spelled Vito and not Veto, like what a president does.
    Just sayin

  24. FootballPhil says: Dec 7, 2009 6:16 PM

    Great, this is a start! The team is leaving. Now we just need the the residents of the state on Minnesota to leave with them

  25. Mikey D says: Dec 7, 2009 6:16 PM

    Wellington Mara is rolling over in his grave tsk tsk

  26. kravon says: Dec 7, 2009 6:17 PM

    Favre cant save the Vikings from moving to LA.

  27. bustabloodvessel says: Dec 7, 2009 6:19 PM

    bob, do you realize that revenue sharing helps keep the packers in business? in fact, there are only about 8 teams that can survive without it. You have got to be the biggest idiot i have ever seen. the packers are one of the smallest market teams in the league, and for all the states i have lived in, (19) I have only met a handful outside of the wisconsin area, and most of them were only fans because of a certain grizzled quarterback that doesn’t even play for them anymore. the packers are a laughing stock of the nfl for letting a player of that caliber out, knowing the next year he would end up playing for the hated rival.

  28. cusoman says: Dec 7, 2009 6:22 PM

    I don’t get the calls from Packer fans to WANT this to happen. You may hate the team, but that hatred is born out of a rivalry, and rivalries are about the team, not the franchise.
    Does the NFC North make sense with LA? No.
    Do Packer fans enjoy having a venue so close they can make a daytrip out of seeing their favorite team once a year in enemy territory? Yes.
    Are you THAT selfish and misguided that you don’t see that changing the fabric of a storybook rivalry will hurt the game as a whole? The Vikings/Packers rivalry will NEVER be the same with the team in LA, because the whole thing is fueled by proximity.
    If you support FOOTBALL as a sport, then you should support the push to keep the Vikings in Minnesota – stop being childish and selfish.

  29. PhenomT says: Dec 7, 2009 6:23 PM

    Bob Nelson….your absurd. I was raised in the “Dakotas” as you like to call it, and I have met very few Green Bay fans in that country, and even less people that want to watch them. The area you reference is Vikings country (and some Broncos fans)…flat out!
    By the way, I hat the Packers, but I would not wish any NFL fan to lose their franchise, no matter what the circumstances. I’m disgusted by these remarks. True fans respect other fans, no matter what the rivalry.

  30. umcouldbe says: Dec 7, 2009 6:25 PM

    You a-holes posting just love to wallow in other people’s pain. I’m not a Vikings fan, but I feel bad for their fans if this team bails and heaven forbid your team ever leaves.

  31. Great Lakes says: Dec 7, 2009 6:27 PM

    To Minneapolis Resident – Minnesota is NO better than Wisconsin. Milwaukee has many things to do (with some great malls, museums, etc.), and they’ve got the advantage that they’re not out in the middle of nowhere – you can go to Chicago to shop if you like! Outside of Minneapolis, Minnesota has pretty much nothing. Wisconsin has bigger cities around the entire state – Minnesota has the Twin Cities and Duluth – that’s it. Wisconsin is a much smaller state, yet the population is larger than that of Minnesota. I was born in Minnesota, so I can tell you that some Minnesota citizens are big blowhards. What happens after Favre retires (next year or the year after) – I would be concerned about that. Just a note – Wisconsin’s flagship university is better as well!

  32. Citizen Strange says: Dec 7, 2009 6:28 PM

    Cool! Four California teams with home blackouts!

  33. Lamblow Field filled with Dairyland Drunks says: Dec 7, 2009 6:29 PM

    Bob Nelson says:
    December 7, 2009 6:08 PM
    Ed Roskie’s stadium not only will make the vikings money but every visiting team will make hundreds of thousands of dollars more than the dank dim stale air 64K Metrodome.
    The vikings have not been pulling their financial weight and the league should get out of bad NFL markets.
    If Roskie gets two teams there is more money for everyone.
    It always was a mistake taking that AFL franchise and putting it in Green Bay’s territory.
    From the upper peninsula to Idaho, the Northern Tier states have always been huge Packer fans.
    The NFL’s ratings will skyrocket in Minnesota, and the Dakotas as the Packers are back on the air there like they used to be.
    Nobody will miss the vikings courtroom appearances.
    You are a hateful DICK! Get a life Bob

  34. Jax at least were not oakland says: Dec 7, 2009 6:31 PM

    Everyone knows it’s gonna be Vikings to LA. The LA stadiums seats are purple for crying out loud!

  35. Tdk24 says: Dec 7, 2009 6:32 PM

    FootballPhil, that is what those fudge packers across the border do when the pack lose a superbowl.
    Anyway, let the Vikes go to LA. Then in 2 to 3 years the Raiders can move back to their rightful home of Minnesota, i can finally get season tickets! (for those of you that don’t know about the rightful home remark, you need to read up on how the vikings came to be)
    Besides, i could have sworn i heard some viking on the introductions during the cards game say something about vikings of LA or that he played for the LA vikings. Anyone else notice that? It was the part where these guys say where they played for college.

  36. Fan_Of_ Four says: Dec 7, 2009 6:33 PM

    Exactly how dumb are these men (Owners) running this League ? The Vikings are not the only Team that need rev sharing to survive and how many times do they need to see a Team in L.A. to figure out that L.A. won’t support them either ?
    I realize it’s like talking to a post but Green Bay fans better not talk to much trash because of it weren’t for rev sharing there wouldn’t be a Team in Green Bay and it’s possible that Green Bay might find itself needing rev sharing again especially if the salary cap is abolished.
    So what happens when the L.A. Team folds ? How many cities do you think you can put a Team in that will be profitable ?
    Rev sharing saved the NFL’s A$$.
    In the end it might be good for them to lose a few Teams since the current talent pool isn’t deep enough to avoid having sh!tty Teams like the Rams, Lions, Browns etc etc etc.

  37. MinneapolisResident says: Dec 7, 2009 6:34 PM

    @bustabloodvessel-The Packers turned a $4M profit last year, one of the only teams to turn a profit. We also help support the Vikings. Also, if you don’t think the Packers have a very large nationwide following, you don’t get out on the town much. Try Swanky’s in Denver.
    That said, I don’t want them to leave. I love the arguments, especially since the Vikings have no leg to stand on.

  38. ewurm says: Dec 7, 2009 6:34 PM

    We’re already the highest taxed state in the league. If they can’t make money without a stadium, I guess they can pack it up. I already have to pay for baseball mediocrity every time I make a purchase. It’s just football. And the fair weather ended last night.

  39. Sourdough says: Dec 7, 2009 6:34 PM

    @RaiderMight: You sir, are a joker! The Raiders have sold-out only one game this season, Raiders vs the Chargers on MNF, and had an announced attendance of 39,000 for the Raiders/Bengals game, yet you try and talk smack about other teams!?! It is rather obvious you have an inferiority complex..and why shouldn’t you, the Raiders are 4-8 and going nowhere…again.

  40. Evpimp says: Dec 7, 2009 6:37 PM

    @Cusoman True that Brother!!!!!
    I love that Packer fans think this is the best idea ever..
    You should be happy the Vikings are close enough so you can see your beloved Packers play in one of the best rivalries in the NFL. IF and I say if they go to LA good luck waiting 40 some odd years for your season ticks and losing one the best rivalries ever.

  41. MrHumble says: Dec 7, 2009 6:38 PM

    Florio…you are like a tabloid columist, print the sesational regardless of the facts. You know as well as anyone with any common sense (sorry Packer fans, that leaves you out) that the NFL isn’t going to move the Vikings from Minny. This is like a used car salesman throwing everything at the wall and hoping something will stick….the NFL senses the “time is right” to start the big push for a new stadium in Minny and the best way to do it is…..exactly what is happening. There are two things that motivate people, hope and fear. Not only will the Vikings have a new stadium, it will be with a removeable roof and all the bells and whistles. Just today the Goofy Gov. of Minny reached out to Ziggy and said it is time to talk…….like I said, the NFL felt it was time to strike while the iron was hot.

  42. FavreHasAVagina says: Dec 7, 2009 6:40 PM

    Don’t tease me Florio, this is the best news I’ve heard since PervyHarvin learned to swallow!!!! You can take that whole state of LOSERS and D-BAGS and move’em to California.
    MERRY CHRISTMAS TO THE MIDWEST!!!!!!!!!

  43. 1stngoal says: Dec 7, 2009 6:42 PM

    If the Vikings move to L.A., they will be switched to the NFC West and the St. Louis Rams will move into the NFC North…

  44. Vots says: Dec 7, 2009 6:42 PM

    To the people saying this doesn’t go well for the Packers either…
    The Packers were one of the teams that were paying money into this fund. I’m glad this fund is gone. Packers put money in it and the Vikings were taking it out.
    The Vikings and any other team that needs that money, need to figure things out. It’s kinda funny how the team with the “smallest market” is in the top half of the league in revenue. Yet some of these “bigger markets” are in financial trouble because they suck at running a business.
    Now revenue sharing and salary cap needs to stay, but this pity fund should’ve never existed anyways.
    I’m glad the Vikings aren’t bumming cash off the Packers anymore!

  45. footballrulz says: Dec 7, 2009 6:45 PM

    I absolutely cannot believe the league would allow this to happen. Vikes/Packs, Vikes/Bears even Vikes/Lion in the old days are just too good of rivalries.
    But you gotta admit, the Cleveland Browns & the Baltimore Colts don;t exist any more (I know there is a Browns team but mot theoriginal one). St Louis Rams doesn’t even sound natural nor does the Phoenix Cardinals. Bottom line, it’s money.
    @Lamblow Field filled with dairyland drunks
    I gotta tell ya man–I’ve sat by quietly as you have spewed some Pcaker hatred this year but your post here has me truly sad. I feel for ya bro’–hope it all gets worked out.

  46. bluestree says: Dec 7, 2009 6:45 PM

    cusoman says:
    December 7, 2009 6:22 PM
    I don’t get the calls from Packer fans to WANT this to happen. You may hate the team, but that hatred is born out of a rivalry, and rivalries are about the team, not the franchise.
    If you support FOOTBALL as a sport, then you should support the push to keep the Vikings in Minnesota – stop being childish and selfish.
    ___________________
    Couldn’t be said better. The Vikes to LA is bad for Green Bay, bad for Minnesota and bad for the NFL. I can remember listening to the first Packers-Vikings game ever on the radio back in the days of mandatory local blackouts. Tarkenton! The most electric radio broadcasts I ever heard. I also learned a valuble life lesson from my dad after a Packers-Bears game when he told me how George Halas had made a trip to Green Bay to help the team get funds for a new stadium. He told me if it wasn’t for Papa Bear, there might not be any Green Bay Packers. That being said, the Vikes are in desperate need of revenue, and only a new stadium can provide that. If you’re a fan of the team, you might want to devote time every day to pointing out the jobs and other economic development a stadium can provide. You need a grass roots movement, and that starts with leadership.

  47. SDCharger1969 says: Dec 7, 2009 6:46 PM

    Moving a team from the middle of the state to the west coast would have to result in a change of divisions …
    The NFL is really well balanced right now with 4 teams to a division and 16 to a conference.
    If the vikings were to move, then you would have to make them part of the NFC west and kick out the RAMS to the NFC North.
    I am sure the rest of the NFC North would be relieved of getting spared by Farve but then the NFC west would soil their pants …
    Interesting….

  48. Ralph says: Dec 7, 2009 6:46 PM

    How on earth will a town of 100,000 people put enough money into an NFL Franchise to keep it competitive? Without revenue sharing, Green Bay will become one of the farm teams in the NFL. They’ll draft players and develop them, as soon as they can be free agents they’ll go where the money is.
    As to this Viking fan, if you take my team away I’m done with the NFL. It’s just that simple. Once the Vikings are gone, it won’t be long before the Packers have to “pack it in” too.
    Maybe this is the death knell of the NFL. Owners and players that got so greedy they killed the goose that laid the golden egg. I guess that’s why the people here in Minnesota don’t want to build another stadium, they’ll just want more and more. Greed isn’t a good thing, greedy people aren’t good people.

  49. jorge says: Dec 7, 2009 6:47 PM

    Wow! People, lets just keep it real here, do you folks really want to see this rivalry come to an end?
    That’s probably whats gonna happen if the Queens relocate to another city.
    For sure they’ll realign the divisions so that they’ll play our nearest neighbors.
    That means no more Hating on the Vikes…
    Think about it folks, cause to me that’ll really suck.
    …..We all stand to lose.

  50. Biff Henderson says: Dec 7, 2009 6:49 PM

    The Packers give up money in revenue sharing, not recieve it bonehead.

  51. MinneapolisResident says: Dec 7, 2009 6:51 PM

    @Great Lakes- Dude. Sarcasm. I am from Wisconsin and hate Minnesota.

  52. Emoney says: Dec 7, 2009 6:51 PM

    If the Vikings move to LA, the NFC west and north divisions will almost most certainly be realligned. St. Louis and the LA Vikings would most likely swap divisions. The Rams shouldn’t even be in the west anymore.

  53. Bob Nelson says: Dec 7, 2009 6:52 PM

    1) This is the supplementary revenue sharing where high earning teams like the Chiefs and the Packers have to give up some of their local revenue to a team that can’t cut it financially like the viking. IT ISN’T THE REVENUE SHARING THAT IS A CORNERSTONE OF THE LEAGUE. It is the NFL Welfare program.
    2) There will never be an NFL sized (70,000 plus)stadium in Minnesota. They can’t fill it unless the Packers are playing. There isn’t NFL level support in Minnesota for the vikings.
    3) Minnesota lost the Minneapolis Marines and the Duluth Eskimos. The vikings would be their the 3rd NFL team Minnesota lost.
    4) The LA stadium will make far more money for the NFL, and especially for the visiting teams.
    Since the days when the Boston Redskins moved to Washington and the Portsmouth Spartans became the Detroit Lions, teams have moved for better support. The vikings will be a better team in LA.

  54. Youngs79 says: Dec 7, 2009 6:55 PM

    The Vikings will NEVER leave Minnesota! All the wishful thinking in the world by Packer fans won’t change that. Let me repeat myself for idiots, like Bob Nelson for instance, the Vikings will NEVER leave Minnesota.

  55. LBPACKFAN says: Dec 7, 2009 6:57 PM

    As a Packer fan, I hate to see this crap. Hope they dont move…keep the rivalry.

  56. favresux says: Dec 7, 2009 6:59 PM

    that is really FUNNY

  57. Bob Loblaw says: Dec 7, 2009 7:00 PM

    Let me tell everyone why the Vikings are going nowhere in their quest for a new stadium:
    The governor’s name is Tim Pawlenty. He is a republican, who was on the short list for VP candidiates for John McCain (the favorite before McCain gambled on the unknown Sarah Palin). Pawlenty has aspirations to run for president in 2012.
    But how can he go far in the republican primaries if he is in office when a state $1.2 in deficit allows another stadium to be built so “taxpayers can subsidize a billionair owner”?
    Who cares that there are creative methods to fund a stadium (dedicated lottery, casino fees, etc.) without any manditory increase in taxes for all residents? It’s about perception, and if a stadium is approved through dedicated funding, Pawlenty loses any claim that he stood up to pressure to have a stadium built. So he is refusing to allow even preliminary meetings to be held for any creative approach so the movement doesn’t gain any traction.
    Pawlenty is willing to sacrifice the state’s highest profile and most loved sports franchise for political gain. And for what? Due to his lack of charisma, he has no shot at winning the republican primary, much less the presidential race.
    But that’s not stopping him from stonewalling the issue. he is willing to slit his own state’s throat and tear the heart’s out of majority of the residents just for the chance of being president.

  58. bustabloodvessel says: Dec 7, 2009 7:00 PM

    mn resident,
    I guess you forgot how to read. I have lived in nineteen different states all over the country. I have not met many Packers fans that were fans before the year Brett won the superbowl. I don’t live in Minnesota now, I live in Charlotte North Carolina.`Yes, the Pack turned a profit last year, but look how far under the cap they are, something like 30 million, that and the fact that every team gets revenue from the league, not just the ones that need it. A good portion of the cap is paid through rev. sharing. That, little boy, is the reason they were able to turn a profit. I know it’s hard for feeble minds to understand, but the amount of money a franchise turns can be a little clouded.

  59. FootballPhil says: Dec 7, 2009 7:01 PM

    You Viking fans trying to ratchet up support are worse than Harry Reid. Having a team leave a city makes no difference to any other team/city except for the one leaving. Plenty of teams in every sport have left and guess what?? Life goes on. You guys can’t support a team, sucks for you, oh well! No one else cares. Your scare tactics about “if we leave, who’s next?” is not valid. You guys piss away all your franchise’s except for the Twins and T-Wolves. Lakers, Stars and now the Vikings are/will be gone. Support your team through thick and thin and this wouldn’t have happened. Vikings’ fans are the biggest bunch of fair weather fans in the league. Team does poor and all you hear is crickets, win a few REGULAR season games and the shit talking is relentless. Now the team is leaving and I for one am happy as hell!!

  60. MrPilsner says: Dec 7, 2009 7:01 PM

    Bob Nelson is an idiot and he proves it every time he posts here.
    -AFL team?!
    -Dakotas?!
    -Packers on the air prior to 1961?! All over the upper midwest?! What, radio?!
    -LA is NOT a bad NFL market?! Ask Rams! Ask Raiders!
    -TWO teams in la la land?!
    Good gawd you’re an asswipe, Bob Nelson. Come to Chicago next Sunday and let me knock you down a few times. Maybe knock some sense into thick (and empty) Swedish skull of yours. I love the Packers but you’re the very anus of Packer fandom, you fart bubble.

  61. GBPackers says: Dec 7, 2009 7:02 PM

    I HATE Queens with a passion, but I must agree with you CUSOMAN. That rivalry(especially after the favre debacle) will be one of the best in the NFL for years to come! So get your guys shit together and build a new humpty dump already!!

  62. TNicks says: Dec 7, 2009 7:04 PM

    The Vikings aren’t going to L.A. If they’re going anywhere, it will be Toronto, Canada. With anticipation of the league’s readiness to move there Nfl fans should be expecting Rogers to announce plans to build a stadium in the near future. The geographical move would also make sense for the conference and division. It’s hard to put a team from Minnesota in L.A. and not shuffle the divisions. It’s easy to keep a Toronto based team in the NFC North and the sky dome(rogers centre) would be suitable for a team until a new stadium were built.

  63. marshall70 says: Dec 7, 2009 7:07 PM

    When the Vikings move, that will likely make the Packers the “local” team for television decisions.
    So, which is worse, Viking fans being forced to watch the Packers every Sunday for the rest of their lives, or Packer fans having to watch Brett Favre in purple?
    Who’s forced to watch the Packers? If the Vikes move I sure as hell won’t be watching the Packers.

  64. bigfog says: Dec 7, 2009 7:08 PM

    As a diehard Packer fan, bleeding Green ‘n Gold all the way…it would be a dark day for the NFL if the Vikings left the state. Losing a team isn’t something anyone should wish upon their rival, no matter the hatred.
    I think it’ll get worked out. The MLB tried to get rid of the Twins, and that caused such a groundswell of support that the idea was quickly tossed. I could see a similar happening here. Hell, even I’d be willing to help out in that regard, and any true NFL fan would.

  65. edgy says: Dec 7, 2009 7:09 PM

    I’m an old AFLer who can remember the “Joneses” and “Snyders” of the league bailing out their poorer owners and then watching how the mighty NFL was brought to their knees by the fact that they couldn’t keep up the spending to keep their draft choices and stars from joining the league. Revenue sharing in both leagues kept the weaker teams from going under and if Jerry Jones isn’t able to live with all the revenue that he’s got now then he should move on to something else because he’s going to hurt this league like he and his NFL buttheads did the Arena League.
    While some people might welcome an LA team, I think that most of us haven’t missed anything with the city out of the league. Now, it’s possible that part of this is a ploy to get the players to panic and try to work out a deal that is better for the owners BUT let’s not forget that Jerry’s been trying to stop revenue sharing since the moment he took over the Cowboys (a ready-made money maker, courtesy of NFL Films) and he’s never seen the reasoning behind keeping your competition from going under because he tries to think of it as a non-sports business, which would make sense for him to run his competition out of town. The problem is that when you’re down to 8-12 teams, do you think that you’re going to get as much money from the networks?
    Finally, Jerry had taken more than his share of profits instead of putting it back into the team so it’s more than a bit hypocritical for him to complain about other teams that have done it.

  66. Deb says: Dec 7, 2009 7:11 PM

    Florio, I’m surprised an Italian would misspell Vito.
    And I’m surprised any football fan would celebrate ripping the Vikings out of Minnesota. If they go to L.A., so much for the NFL Norse division. Who will the Pack fans fight with on all the threads? I’m a Steelers fan and have nothing invested in the Vikes. But it’s wrong to move a team that has a history and fanbase away from its community. And to L.A.? Los Angeles has already demonstrated TWICE that, for whatever reason, the city can’t maintain an NFL team. It would be a shame to throw the Vikes into that same black hole.

  67. PervyHarvin says: Dec 7, 2009 7:11 PM

    I’m only one man.Would give up beer,martinis,cheap prostitutes and steak for a year and donate the money to keep the Vikings here.That’s some money there. Wish more people thought like me. And I’m originally from Iowa. If the Vikings move….NFL is dead to me. They can shove it up their asses.

  68. JSpicoli says: Dec 7, 2009 7:18 PM

    The Raiders were popular in LA. It is just difficult to sell out the LA Coliseum @ 100,000 plus. Especially when the endzone seats were only designed for track and field. Horrible football view, AND the whole place was bench seating. Woohoo.
    People just love to harsh.
    Tell ‘em Invader.

  69. shabadoooo says: Dec 7, 2009 7:20 PM

    Bob Nelson
    Without the Vikings, you’re nothing. Think about it. Who are you going to bitch about every post? Who are you going to condemn to hell every 2 hours- because Florio gives us a Viking update at that rate-? Chicago? Detroit? The Packers are nothing without the Vikings. Just as the Vikings are nothing without the Packers. Do you understand how much less excitement there would be?
    it’s called rivalry, the blood for all sports.
    bears vs packers? a rivalry like the packer- vikings? give me a break. even former packers have said, ‘you can split the Bears series, but you can’t lose to the Vikings’
    Lets say the packers move (i know they can’t, really) but hypothetical. And the next year, the Vikings win the superbowl. It has almost zero meaning! Do you know why? No Packers. That means, nobody to show it off to, no bragging rights- the cornerstones of fanhood. you’re naive to want the vikings out of Minnesota. what are you going to do? brag to the LA fans? they’ll just go back to their salads. they do not care. way too much going on over there, unlike the midwest.
    and to the moronic fans that say viking fans will have to become packer fans, would you become viking fans if the packers left? didn’t think so. never will happen.
    unlike Green Bay, Minneapolis can do just fine without the Vikings. We managed a decade without the North Stars. Hell, I wouldn’t notice if the Timberwolves left. i hope they do, in fact, because they take up high light reel time. but we’d certainly miss the Vikings if they did leave, especially to LA, a city which will move them again in less than 10 years. guaranteed.

  70. JJP says: Dec 7, 2009 7:22 PM

    Forget the Minnesota bashing. I’m more concerned with the NFL owners taking steps to abandon the current system while inching closer to the MLB setup that rewards the major markets and ultra-rich owners.
    You just know that Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, and a few others would love nothing more than to create a system that would make it easier for them to buy a championship. I’m enjoying 2009 because I fear that next year and/or the next collective bargaining agreement will be steps toward messing up the most competitive system in sports. It’s a damn shame that the 32 guys (and their minority investors) who are making all this coin aren’t satisfied with the billions the league makes and still want more, more, more.
    In the interest of full disclosure, I am a lifelong Vikings fan. There are plenty of us within the state who support a new stadium and the Vikings are easily the most popular game in town. Unfortunately, the political leaders just keep doing everything in their power to push this thing to the back burner. Few of them want to address the problem, yet none want the Vikings to leave on their watch.
    I believe the Vikings were in line for a stadium after the Twins (81 home dates) and Gophers football team (easier politically to get a college stadium built), but the economy and a major bridge collapsed and changed everything. It’s a mess. The Wilfs have done a great job here and I would like nothing more than to see a stadium built if they contribute their fair share.
    Sadly, there are too many voters who fall for the “Why should we pay tax money for billionaire to have stadiums” song and dance that the detractors always use. It’s easier to turn this into the easy debate over using tax dollars than it is to come up with solutions that generate new revenue to pay for the stadium. For instance, there’s no reason the state couldn’t allow more slot machine gambling to help pay for the stadium. Well, aside from the fact that too many of our political leaders won’t rock the boat with the Native American casinos they are in bed with.
    Oh, and the new stadium rally was either poorly promoted or I just missed out on whatever promotion there was. I didn’t hear anything about it until the day it took place or I would have attended.
    Finally, I’ve always wondered how many PFT readers who sound off on Minnesota and other states for having such horrible fans actually put their money where their mouths are by purchasing season tickets or going to games regular basis. I’m sure some do and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I have a feeling that many just beat their chests about being super fans from the comfort of their couches.

  71. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Dec 7, 2009 7:28 PM

    Fact of the matter the viking fans watch at home not in person. Ziggy is a NY guy if Glen Taylor owned the team the new stadium would be half built. Vikings fans better luck next time, and no you are not welcome to root for the Packers in 2013.

  72. Nel Bobson says: Dec 7, 2009 7:31 PM

    @Vots
    “Now revenue sharing and salary cap needs to stay, but this pity fund should’ve never existed anyways.
    I’m glad the Vikings aren’t bumming cash off the Packers anymore!”
    Your a complete moron. This pity fund, as you put it, is called the Revenue Sharing. So which way do you want it??? Dunb Ass!!!
    Come back when your old enough to understand football.

  73. bustabloodvessel says: Dec 7, 2009 7:45 PM

    bob,
    come back when you can spell.

  74. Bigskyvikes says: Dec 7, 2009 7:50 PM

    Biff Henderson says:
    December 7, 2009 6:49 PM
    The Packers give up money in revenue sharing, not recieve it bonehead.
    ———————————–
    Bonehead, go to ESPN online and read about this, the packers receive money just like the Vikings.
    What is really cool and all you packer fans should read this, they say “for example the Packers would never have won their superbowl in the 90′s because they would have never been able to afford keeping Brett Favre”
    Go read for yourself, quit lying to yourself, YOU ARE ONE OF THE SMALL MARKET TEAMS!!!!!
    This will hurt all of us, all about greed!!

  75. buck_u_pack_haterz says: Dec 7, 2009 7:50 PM

    # FootballPhil says: December 7, 2009 7:01 PM
    You Viking fans trying to ratchet up support are worse than Harry Reid. Having a team leave a city makes no difference to any other team/city except for the one leaving. Plenty of teams in every sport have left and guess what?? Life goes on. You guys can’t support a team, sucks for you, oh well! No one else cares. Your scare tactics about “if we leave, who’s next?” is not valid. You guys piss away all your franchise’s except for the Twins and T-Wolves. Lakers, Stars and now the Vikings are/will be gone. Support your team through thick and thin and this wouldn’t have happened. Vikings’ fans are the biggest bunch of fair weather fans in the league. Team does poor and all you hear is crickets, win a few REGULAR season games and the shit talking is relentless. Now the team is leaving and I for one am happy as hell!!
    —————————————————-
    could not have said it better myself, when the vikings don’t win no one cares. But you get the quarterback you’ve been cursing for 16 years and get a couple of regular season wins and now everyone loves the vikings. Well sorry to say vikings fans but that’s not exactly how sports work when your in a mid to small market…..you cannot have your support(ticket sales, merchandising, etc) waiver when your team doesn’t do well, you have to have constant support no matter what(as any TRUE FAN would)
    LA VIKINGS 2011

  76. 1stngoal says: Dec 7, 2009 7:51 PM

    I agree JJP. Roger Goodell is just an empty suit.Jerry Jones is the one steering the NFL ownership behind the scenes. Jones has built his new billion dollar playground, so now he has to come up with the funds to pay off his creditors. And he doesn’t care if he has to tear down the revenue sharing/salary cap system that Pete Rozelle worked so hard to create, in order to accomplish this…

  77. Bigskyvikes says: Dec 7, 2009 7:58 PM

    For everybody that they think they have the politicians figured out, I have to laugh!
    Also if Mn is to broke to do this, than how in the world mister know it all, Bob Loblaw, did California get it done?????????
    They are handing out IOU’s for taxes.
    Quit acting like any of you Packer fans know what is and what will happen.

  78. Mikey D says: Dec 7, 2009 8:00 PM

    What are the possible gains for cutting of revenue sharing? Its a shame that one of Wellington Mara’s greatest achievements is getting cut after his death. Im sure the owners like Jerry Jones saw once he died 4 years ago the opportunity to make more money. I just hope Tim Mara is not involved in this he has not been on the Fans good side wit these ridiculous PSLs I don’t think he is half the man his father was for letting this happen.

  79. Bigskyvikes says: Dec 7, 2009 8:02 PM

    buck_u_pack_haterz says:
    December 7, 2009 7:50 PM
    # FootballPhil says: December 7, 2009 7:01 PM
    You Viking fans trying to ratchet up support are worse than Harry Reid. Having a team leave a city makes no difference to any other team/city except for the one leaving. Plenty of teams in every sport have left and guess what?? Life goes on. You guys can’t support a team, sucks for you, oh well! No one else cares. Your scare tactics about “if we leave, who’s next?” is not valid. You guys piss away all your franchise’s except for the Twins and T-Wolves. Lakers, Stars and now the Vikings are/will be gone. Support your team through thick and thin and this wouldn’t have happened. Vikings’ fans are the biggest bunch of fair weather fans in the league. Team does poor and all you hear is crickets, win a few REGULAR season games and the shit talking is relentless. Now the team is leaving and I for one am happy as hell!!
    —————————————————-
    could not have said it better myself, when the vikings don’t win no one cares. But you get the quarterback you’ve been cursing for 16 years and get a couple of regular season wins and now everyone loves the vikings. Well sorry to say vikings fans but that’s not exactly how sports work when your in a mid to small market…..you cannot have your support(ticket sales, merchandising, etc) waiver when your team doesn’t do well, you have to have constant support no matter what(as any TRUE FAN would)
    LA VIKINGS 2011
    ————————————————
    HAHAHAHA
    where do you two morons get your info?
    Vikes have been sold out over ten years, I dont want to hear almost almost almost bullshit.
    You dont know shit about us as fans for the Vikings, so dont act like you do.
    Go play with your sister or cousin.

  80. spyboots says: Dec 7, 2009 8:03 PM

    Deb, you are right on.

  81. jx4cmario1 says: Dec 7, 2009 8:03 PM

    Thank you Deb, Thank you bigfog. True football fans would not want this to happen. I would absolutely hate if the Packers, Lions, or Bears left the Norse.

  82. bustabloodvessel says: Dec 7, 2009 8:07 PM

    Bottom line is there are more than a few teams that need the shared rev. to stay afloat. If you take it away, you will see several teams folding within ten years. Sure they will try to go to other cities, but that will only buy a few years at best. the first few will be ok, but if they don’t win the superbowl every year, they will lose support. It’s true for any team, Packers included. I don’t want to hear about selling out stadiums, or anything like that, it will only take you so far. The United States public are by nature fair weather fans. Just look at how many Pats fans you see now compared to before 2000 or 01, when ever they started winning. Look at how many Saints fans there are now they are 12-0. It’s all relative to winning, and the Vikings have been contenders in the division for a good portion of the years. Sorry for the book.

  83. Uncle Leo says: Dec 7, 2009 8:08 PM

    Nel Bobson,
    Bet you git all excited when you made that post to Vots. Pity you are the one who doesn’t know what he is talking about.
    The issue at hand is ‘supplemental revenue sharing’, which is completely different from the standard revenue sharing you are talking about.
    Why don’t you come back when you are old enough to read and comprehend.
    P.S. Dumb is spelt Dumb, not Dunb.
    Good luck with getting your first job

  84. PervyHarvin says: Dec 7, 2009 8:09 PM

    Can’t believe how many douche bags are spewing viking hate here. You are all pin dicked chest beaters who wallow in the mud of others problems. I only care about the Vikings but would want no city or fans to lose their team. I believe in the history and rivalries of the NFL. Call us fair weather? Listen to you guys. Pathetic lil wanna be NFL fans. Let the NFL keep changing. Be a joke like baseball. You all got too much of Jerry Jones’s junk in your mouth! Spit it out and wake up.

  85. KingJoe! says: Dec 7, 2009 8:15 PM

    How bad will it be to see a team like the Vikes, which have great fans, lose a team while Jacksonville, St Louis and Cinncinati keep their teams. No justice, no justice.

  86. FootballPhil says: Dec 7, 2009 8:22 PM

    Bigskyvikes says: December 7, 2009 8:02 PM
    HAHAHAHA
    where do you two morons get your info?
    Vikes have been sold out over ten years, I dont want to hear almost almost almost bullshit.
    You dont know shit about us as fans for the Vikings, so dont act like you do.
    Go play with your sister or cousin.
    ——————————————————-
    There are two things I know about Viking’s fans. First, you have never celebrated a Championship. Second, you will have to buy Directv to watch your Queens play in LA in 2011 HAHAHA

  87. Abe71 says: Dec 7, 2009 8:27 PM

    It is unfortunate that if this happens, teams will have to leave to a bigger market however; why isn’t there any out cry from fans about their teams owner? I mean, what Pete Rozelle did for the NFL was great but this was done back in the 60′s (I think) and teams have had decades of opportunity to improve their team yet, just like government assistance, these owners get a bit of self-entitlement” and simply expect the Jerry Jones and the Dan Snyder’s of the league to bail them out. Call me selfish, greedy or whatever explicit 4 letter word you have in your limited vocabulary but I’m tired of the attitude people have that if they fail others should just help out to no end. Sorry. If your market needed assistance fom the very beginning then maybe you (team owner) should have picked a better market.

  88. Abe71 says: Dec 7, 2009 8:32 PM

    “@PervyHarvin says:
    Can’t believe how many douche bags are spewing viking hate here. You are all pin dicked chest beaters who wallow in the mud of others problems. I only care about the Vikings but would want no city or fans to lose their team. I believe in the history and rivalries of the NFL. Call us fair weather? Listen to you guys. Pathetic lil wanna be NFL fans. Let the NFL keep changing. Be a joke like baseball. You all got too much of Jerry Jones’s junk in your mouth! Spit it out and wake up.”
    Me thinks you’ve been listening too much to Colin Cowherd as your comments sound very familiar LOL!

  89. R.Babe says: Dec 7, 2009 8:35 PM

    Um, jx4cmario1, i think you mean the “Norris,” not the “Norse.”
    I want the Vikings to leave Minnesota because Minnesotans are poor fans all around. They are bandwagon jumpers each way – quick to jump on, quick to jump off. Even with the current Vikes doing so well, the they are in constant danger of being blacked out each week because so few of their self-professed “super fans” attend games. And those who do attend never fail to leave early – I’ve rarely been to a sporting even in Minnesota, college or pro, where the stadium wasn’t half-empty at game end.
    This “I’d rather watch it on TV” mentality is pervasive in Minnesota culture. Years back, the powers that be thought an indoor stadium would solve the problem. It hasn’t. Hell, Minnesota even lost a pro hockey team to Texas. Let me repeat: MINNESOTA lost a HOCKEY team to TEXAS.
    What difference is it to Vikings fans where the team plays if they’re just going to sit in their cozy bungalows and watch the game on TV? If anything, I’d think that they’d welcome a move, if for no other reason than to avoid blackouts.
    Ever try to buy a single ticket to the annual Vikes-Packers game at the dome? You can’t. You need to buy at least one other ticket as well, usually many more. This year, you had to buy season tickets to get that one Packers ticket. That’s because no one in Minnesota cares about sports, and the Vikings know it.
    Sadly, I don’t think the Vikes are going anywhere. This is the usual sabre-rattling we hear every time a team is looking for a new stadium. “Oh, we’ll move to L.A…” The league doesn’t want a team in LA because the very spectre of a team moving to LA has proven far too effective.

  90. MikeF says: Dec 7, 2009 8:45 PM

    ewurm says: December 7, 2009 6:34 PM
    We’re already the highest taxed state in the league. If they can’t make money without a stadium, I guess they can pack it up. I already have to pay for baseball mediocrity every time I make a purchase. It’s just football.
    _________________________________
    Give the man a cigar. Couldn’t have said it better.

  91. PervyHarvin says: Dec 7, 2009 8:48 PM

    @ Abe71- Any similarity between that douche Cowherd any my comments are purely coincidental. I won’t listen to ESPN radio,I support local radio. Paul Allen gets my ear 9am-12 if I get time. If he says anything like I do,be the first time he said something smart!!

  92. dlmcc0909 says: Dec 7, 2009 8:51 PM

    I dont root for the Vikings, but I cant imagine how it would feel to see my team pick up and leave the state. That has to be heart breaking. Its serious, the Vikings finished dead last in revenue numbers. Owners are in this business to make money not friends. If they feel its best to move the team then they will. The Cleveland Browns did it 10 years ago and that team had more history with that city then the Vikings do in Minnesota.
    L.A is not the answer. that city only seems to care about the Lakers. The Dodgers are a great baseball franchise and they dont even do well there. Its a bad city for sports. I dont know what the answer would be. Las Vegas is a fast growing city but Goodell would never allow that.
    There are too many teams in California as it is and NY/NJ already has two. Chicago would never allow another. Texas doesnt make much sense since San Antonio isnt far from Houston. Me personally I think Oklahoma City makes more sense than Texas

  93. edgy says: Dec 7, 2009 9:03 PM

    Uncle Leo, if you think that it stops there, then you’re pretty naive. Jerry wants it all and he’s going to hold his breath until he gets it….

  94. Lamblow Field filled with Dairyland Drunks says: Dec 7, 2009 9:17 PM

    http://www.savethevikes.com

  95. Lamblow Field filled with Dairyland Drunks says: Dec 7, 2009 9:20 PM

    Scratch that http://www.savethevikes.org

  96. bigrig says: Dec 7, 2009 9:32 PM

    I can certainly empathise with people who are scared about losing their NFL franchise if revenue sharing [not tv money, just merchandise dough] goes away. But America is a Capitalistic society and that is the way it goes. Survival of the fittest. Towns like Minneapolis and Green Bay should be thankful that they had an NFL team in the first place. Enjoy them while they are in town people, because your grandchildren certainly won’t be able to. Nothing lasts forever.

  97. Uncle Leo says: Dec 7, 2009 9:42 PM

    edgy.
    I don’t disagree with you (except the part about me being naive).
    Just trying to point out that some people on this post need to educate themselves on the subject matter.

  98. jx4cmario1 says: Dec 7, 2009 10:00 PM

    R. Babe, its very commonly spelled Norse, too for short….I’ve seen it that way a million times. But good to know the spelling police are out in full force. We’re all safer for it. Thank you.

  99. Deb says: Dec 7, 2009 10:19 PM

    @Abe71 …
    Try reading up on the history of the NFL. Pete Rozelle was a brilliant man and without him, we wouldn’t be watching MNF tonight, arguing over who’s going to the Super Bowl, or enjoying the enormous spectacle that is the modern-day NFL. What he set in motion during the 70s has made today’s owners very very rich and today’s fans very happy.
    The revenue-sharing structure was created to allow fans in smaller markets to keep their professional sports teams. Some of those markets–like Green Bay and Cleveland–had teams long before Dallas. And all the owners cleaned up with revenue sharing. The large-market owners aren’t poor put-upon taxpayers forced to help those who wouldn’t help themselves. This situation is not to be compared with your notions of government welfare and entitlement programs, so please leave your personal politics out of it.
    This is about a small group of nuevo-riche mult-billionaires trying to slaughter the goose to get an extra golden egg. Owners like Wellington Mara and Dan Rooney have tried for years to keep Jerry Jones and his cronies from destroying the league to feed their own greed and enormous egos. Imagine them running the NFL the way Snyder has run the Redskins. Most fans recognize this would not be a good thing for any of us.

  100. CanadianVikingFan says: Dec 7, 2009 10:33 PM

    Can we move them to Canada if they do move? Just outside of Detroit as well. The NFL is looking into a (international franchise or a european franchise)

  101. Big Tex says: Dec 7, 2009 10:58 PM

    edgy, I’m guessing that your middle name is “Ron” and first name is “Mo” given your level of misinformation. Jerry Jones has taken profits, but not put it into the team? Really. How about $800 million dollars? That’s just the money he put in the stadium. Doesn’t care about the other teams? Really. Jones was one of the main forces behind the salary cap. Remember it went into effect at a time when Jones was flush with cash and knew that it would cost him starting players from a Super Bowl winning team. Jerry Jones was an advocate for FA. When the old line owners were ready to rubber stamp their deal with NBC, CBS, and ABC, Jerry Jones was one of the forces that got Fox involved in the bidding and made the old guys realize they were leaving millions on the table. Jerry Jones has been active in decisions that put millions of dollars in the pockets of EVERY team in the NFL. Jerry Jones has wanted control over the Cowboys merchandise. His arguement has been why should he share the money the Cowboys brand generates (a brand he works tirelessly to promote BTW) with someone who is inept at promoting their own brand. That seems logical to me. It’s kind of sad when one man and the seventh largest city in Texas can get a stadium built, but the whole State of Minnesota can’t figure out what to do. Keep your prejudice for Jerry Jones out of the discussion. This is all about screw ups in Minnesota who aren’t smart enough to be able to promote their product in a profitable manner.

  102. R.Babe says: Dec 7, 2009 11:04 PM

    jx4cmario1 – You’re telling me that the NHL “NORRIS” division, which is where the nickname “NFC-Norris”came from, is commonly spelled “Norse?” You’re an idiot. (And by “idiot,” i really mean “brilliant.” We just spell the terms differently.)

  103. Deb says: Dec 7, 2009 11:12 PM

    @ R.Babe …
    It’s “Norse.” It’s another name for Scandinavian or Old Icelandic. Vikings were Norse explorers/warriors/pirates … which is why the old NFC Central and now the NFC North has sometimes been called “NFC Norse.”

  104. Deb says: Dec 7, 2009 11:44 PM

    @R. Babe …
    Oops. Until I read your comment to jx4cmario1 about the Norris NHL division, I always thought it was Norse for the Vikings (I know nothing about hockey). Just looked up the Norris NHL division. Thanks for the interesting trivia lesson … and now I’ll stop spelling it “Norse.” LOL

  105. jx4cmario1 says: Dec 7, 2009 11:50 PM

    I realize where it came from moron, but thanks for the history lesson. Norse is another nickname, its just shorter, if you’ve never seen it that way then I’m sorry. I’m done arguing with you. You lose.

  106. edgy says: Dec 7, 2009 11:56 PM

    Sorry, guy but you obviously don’t pay attention. Mr. Hypocrite took HUGE profits in 2001, 2002 and 2004 and was near the league average for salary in 2005 and that’s not considering what he took when he was unfettered by a salary cap. As for the moron crack, you obviously must be one of his inbred kin because you don’t know a damn thing about this to try to peddle that load of tripe.
    The main force behind the salary cap. Are you kidding me. Not only is that the dumbest thing that anyone here has said so far, it’s a BALD FACED LIE. The salary cap is the result of a compromise when the PLAYERS won the right to free agency. Doty told the players and the owners to come up with a system because if they didn’t, HE WOULD and they wouldn’t like it. The players pushed for the floor because they knew that the cheapskates like Cincinnati would take profit like they were doing already. The owners who pushed for a salary cap were the POORER ones, who knew that they couldn’t compete in an unfettered market with the likes of Jerry Jones, WHO OPPOSED ANYTHING LIKE THAT ala George Steinbrenner, who is the biggest opposition to a salary cap in MLB. Unlike the Maras, who could have told Rozelle to go to hell but played ball, Jones is a greedy bastage who only thinks about himself and is one cheap icehole (Oh yeah, he loved to keep his money. Ask Emmitt Smith how generous he was when he was forced to hold out as a rookie until just before the beginning of his rookie season and was again forced to hold out after their first Super Bowl and wasn’t signed until the 3rd game. A lot of veterans didn’t forget that, especially after he signed Aikman that same year without the hassle that he gave Smith and they lost several players when REAL free agency became a reality because of that). He enjoyed Plan B more because it meant that he could get players that would help his team but not cost him as much as a lot of stars would have.
    Oh and the city gave him more than $325 million and the NFL gave him $150 million as well, so his share of the stadium was less than $800 mil. It’s also more than hypocritical for him to take the $150 mil from his fellow owners and now that he’s got his, cut them off from doing the same thing.

  107. Footbot says: Dec 8, 2009 12:40 AM

    If the the Vikes move to LA the Packers should also move to a larger market, like Omaha.

  108. Tompadre says: Dec 8, 2009 5:26 AM

    MinneapolisResident
    Trust me. They don’t have malls, theatres, museums, music, comedy clubs, other sports team or restaurants or bars in Milwaukee, Madison, Appleton or anywhere else in Wisconsin.
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    They do, just not as good!

  109. Tompadre says: Dec 8, 2009 5:30 AM

    Ambrose says:
    December 7, 2009 6:03 PM
    This does not bode well for other small market teams either, including Green Bay, private owner or no private owner. I would hate to see it happen. I cannot believe that the (collective) owners want the revenue sharing to go away. For what, so that we can have the same few “Yankees” be in the limelight every year? No thanks. I am enjoying the chase this year and as much as I dislike the insufferable Viking fans and their disproportionate superiority complexes, I wouldn’t have it any other way.
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    Excellent post! Couldn’t agree more. The league could start an unintentional damaging domino effect with a decision like this. I’m a Viking fan, but the Packers don’t belong anywhere but in GB.

  110. Tompadre says: Dec 8, 2009 5:35 AM

    Bob Nelson says:
    Nobody will miss the vikings courtroom appearances.
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    Because they’ll have the Packers courtroom appearances to take their place.

  111. Tompadre says: Dec 8, 2009 8:55 AM

    Abe71 -
    Sorry. If your market needed assistance fom the very beginning then maybe you (team owner) should have picked a better market.
    ———————————————————
    The problem is while the J Jones & D Snyders of the league want to see the revenue sharing abolished, supplementary or otherwise, they also want their area rights to still be protected. They don’t want another team moving in next door and giving them competition for the local dollar. The Minnesota owner may think the Dallas area is great, they love their football in Texas, that would be the most profitable city for me to run my business. But unlike normal businesses he’s prevented by the NFL and inturn the owners, from infringing on the Cowboy’s territory. That local monopoly comes with a price, and that is helping out the other teams in less desirable and profitable locations.

  112. Supersuckers says: Dec 8, 2009 9:02 AM

    The current revenue sharing program isnt exactly capitalism from a business standpoint. I certainly understand why some owners are unhappy. Someone said its like the NFL welfare program and in a way it is. What Minnesotans need to do is call or write their representitives and get a sales tax increase or….something to publicly fund a portio of the stadium. Wilf has stated he would fund some himself and has purchased land for it. It needs to happen fast too.

  113. Tompadre says: Dec 8, 2009 9:10 AM

    R Babe
    And those who do attend never fail to leave early – I’ve rarely been to a sporting even in Minnesota, college or pro, where the stadium wasn’t half-empty at game end.
    ———————————————————
    I can see you’ve never been to a sporting event in LA.
    This is the usual sabre-rattling we hear every time a team is looking for a new stadium. “Oh, we’ll move to L.A…” The league doesn’t want a team in LA because the very spectre of a team moving to LA has proven far too effective.
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    Agree – the threat of LA is an incredibly persuasive tool.

  114. wingnut56 says: Dec 8, 2009 9:13 AM

    Don’t believe for one moment that they will not move the Vikings anywhere thet the NFL thinks it can make more money. And don’t think that fan support will have any effect on the decision – just look at what happened in Cleveland. After the city had built new baseball and basketball venues, Art Model decided that he needed a new stadium for the Browns. When he felt that they weren’t fast enough in meeting his demands, he cuts a deal in Baltimore and the rest is history.
    Why does the NFL play exhibition games in places like London, Toronto, and Mexico City? It’s to create some place that may pose a threat to any city that is unwilling to meet the demands of the current franchise. Having a franchise in the second largest market in the country (LA)would give the league a huge amount of leverage when the next TV contract comes up.
    Don’t be surprised if the Vikings move, or the Jaguars, or the Raiders – the rich get richer..

  115. patsSB44champs says: Dec 8, 2009 10:06 AM

    The Jaguars should move to L.A., not the Vikings.
    And Zygi Wilf should build his own damn stadium like Bob Kraft and Jerry Jones did.

  116. JuicyMelon says: Dec 8, 2009 10:16 AM

    I am sick of franchises that move. Watch the beginning of the movie Baseketball to see what I mean.
    If the Vikings move, I will not watch the NFL anymore. Don’t believe me? Ask me how many times I have watched the NHL since the North Stars moved…Sure the Wild have come into Minny, but since the NHL said “F-U” to Minnesota, I say “F-U” to the NHL. The NFL will get the same treatment if the Vikings leave.
    But I don’t believe the Vikings will leave. Pawlenty is done soon. The new Governor will get this thing going. It’s just going to take time. Hopefully the Wilf’s understand that. They have done almost everything right so far…Now they need patience. If they can be patient for just a little while longer, this thing will get done. But if the Vikings leave, the league will start a long decline.

  117. Lamblow Field filled with Dairyland Drunks says: Dec 8, 2009 12:50 PM

    Viking fans need to let our cheap ass state leaders know how we feel. How many times are we going to let this happen, it is a real threat

  118. Bigskyvikes says: Dec 8, 2009 4:21 PM

    FootballPhil says:
    December 7, 2009 8:22 PM
    There are two things I know about Viking’s fans. First, you have never celebrated a Championship. Second, you will have to buy Directv to watch your Queens play in LA in 2011 HAHAHA
    ———————————————-
    Go read Peter kings MMQ tuesday addition, the revenue sharing is going nowhere, and also ten teams get rev sharing every year, $100 mil worth, thats ten mil each team, 10 teams, 10 teams, 10 teams, 10 teams, not just the vikings, 10 teams, thats ten teams. So if this goes away, what do you think football would be like?
    Get your heads out of your ass and don’t act like this wouldnt hurt your team also.

  119. Bigskyvikes says: Dec 8, 2009 4:29 PM

    R.Babe says:
    December 7, 2009 8:35 PM
    Wow, I wish I was a smart as this dumb ass.
    You know so much about Minnesota fans?
    Please explain this one to me, “they are such bandwagon jumpers” How the hell would you know who is a fan now that wasnt before?
    Or how many fans there is when their winning and when their losing?
    How can you explain these?
    Is it the ALMOST factor again?
    Because this one I love, “they almost blackout”
    Did I tell you about the time I almost won the lottery?
    I had 4 out 6 numbers right, I won $100.00
    But I almost won the lottery, the jackpot,, the Powerball, dam, I almost won the lottery!
    God your an idiot!

  120. Big Tex says: Dec 8, 2009 5:23 PM

    Wow edgy, you mean you believe it’s now criminal for an owner to take profits from a business? Sound like a good socialist to me. Jones gathered every dime he could lay his hands on to buy a team that was operating at a monthly 7 figure loss when he bought it. And you’re complaining that he took a profit after he turned it around? Haven’t ever been a business owner, have you.
    The problem in Minnesota (or Jacksonville or Oakland) has NOTHING to do with Jerry Jones. If the Vikings were smart, they’d be at his door asking for advice about promoting their team. Don’t be jealous of a guy who can come up with hundreds of millions of dollars and 90,000 fans a game in a “down” economy. Or maybe you’d be happier with a Raider-like 45,000 fans a game?

  121. edgy says: Dec 8, 2009 5:49 PM

    I’ve seen a lot of back and forth here, especially among the Packers and Vikings fans and I have to tell you that some of you don’t have a clue about how much either team is spending. Here is a link to a PDF that I compiled that shows how much the teams have spent from 2000-2008 (Data courtesy of USA Today. Compilation courtesy of me). Some of you might want to back off here because the Vikings spent the 10th most in that period of time (11th by average) while the Packers spent the 29th most (30th by average).
    I happen to be a Cowboys fan and I HATE what Jones is trying to do because I was also there to watch the AFL do the right thing and keep their league alive. Before some of you guys keep casting stones at each other, you might check this out and see where YOUR team ranks in spending….

  122. edgy says: Dec 8, 2009 5:50 PM

    Rats, I left off the link:
    http://www.boards.edgy-sports.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2401&start=0

  123. edgy says: Dec 8, 2009 6:24 PM

    Boy, are you wrong, Big Tex because I didn’t say that. I said it was HYPOCRITICAL of Jones to take profit and then turn around and complain about his fellow owners doing the same. Oh and that’s more baloney from you about the franchise. They WEREN’T operating at a 7-figure loss back in 1988. Let me lay a little fact on you because you don’t have a clue: even back then the NFL was getting good TV money back then AND they were paying a far smaller percentage of the gross to their players at that time.
    Baloney. Why should any team go to Jones to ask him advice for promoting a team that DOESN’T NEED PROMOTION? The truth about the Dallas Cowboys is that their owner only has to keep from screwing the team up and the franchise writes its own checks. NFL Films did more for the Cowboys than Jerry Jones has ever done. From the moment that they tagged them as “America’s Team”, their popularity soared and they’ve never looked back. Long before Jerry Jones hit the scenes, the Cowboys had fans all over the country and they showed up in opponents stadiums to show their support of the Cowboys. You want to talk about the “genius” of Jerry Jones and his ability to PROMOTE? How about his inability to promote the Arena Football League? Hell, his team was outdrawn by MOST of the franchises and that includes the ones that didn’t belong to NFL owners.

  124. cusoman says: Dec 8, 2009 8:33 PM

    Edgy, thanks for that breakdown in salaries, brings a lot to light! Definitely keeping that one close for comparison for our Packer brethren ;)

  125. Bigskyvikes says: Dec 8, 2009 9:07 PM

    edgy says:
    December 8, 2009 5:49 PM
    I’ve seen a lot of back and forth here, especially among the Packers and Vikings fans and I have to tell you that some of you don’t have a clue about how much either team is spending. Here is a link to a PDF that I compiled that shows how much the teams have spent from 2000-2008 (Data courtesy of USA Today. Compilation courtesy of me). Some of you might want to back off here because the Vikings spent the 10th most in that period of time (11th by average) while the Packers spent the 29th most (30th by average).
    I happen to be a Cowboys fan and I HATE what Jones is trying to do because I was also there to watch the AFL do the right thing and keep their league alive. Before some of you guys keep casting stones at each other, you might check this out and see where YOUR team ranks in spending….
    ———————————————–
    Beautiful, that should shut the dumb basterds up, but it won’t!
    Nice link.
    Also, spermcheesesoup,
    THIS IS OUR YEAR!!
    Can I only write this once from now on there spermy, or will you say I’m losing faith because I’m not writing it twice?

  126. edgy says: Dec 8, 2009 11:26 PM

    I’ve adjusted the salaries so that they now reflect an average of $100,0000 per year. This shows a truer picture as revenue at the beginning of the decade was smaller. Now, you’ll find some changes in the rankings. It brings the Vikings closer to the Packers but it’s because the Vikings drop down because Packers don’t move up.

  127. ToledoLions says: Dec 9, 2009 3:38 PM

    This is all Jerry Jones fault and I for one can’t wait until that plastic face cheating bastard croaks and dies. It will be better for the NFL and the world as a whole. The only reason he is doing this is because he can’t win on an even field so that pathetic bitch has to cancel everything good about the NFL. I don’t get why the owners would listen to him and approve this anyways. Everybody knows he’s a complete joke of an owner and person. I really hope he dies before this goes into effect so the REAL owners can override it.
    This is ridiculous and it will spell the end of the NFL all together. Then what will Jones do when all the fans are gone and he realizes that winning Super Bowls in a 4 team league with no fans wasn’t worth his greediness.

  128. Bob Nelson says: Dec 10, 2009 1:31 AM

    Moving the vikings does very important things.
    1) More revenue for the NFL
    2) More revenue to visiting teams wherever the vikings are playing
    3) The viking franchise move may make enough revenue in the future to survive.
    Everybody wins.
    The franchise will finally get some fan support and revenue.
    The league and other owners get more revenue and don’t have to subsidize the vikings.
    Minnesotans no longer have to pay to subsidize the vikings and state revenues go up. Their money no longer goes to an absentee owner. Crime rates in Minnesota will drop.
    It really doesn’t matter if it is Los Angeles, Mexico City, London, or Toronto. Everybody wins.
    There is no legacy of the vikings. It is not as if they have any trophies in their 48 years.
    Does anyone miss the other 2 NFL franchises Minnesotans didn’t support, The Duluth Eskimos and the Minneapolis Marines?
    Losing their 3rd NFL franchise is nothing new.

  129. edgy says: Dec 10, 2009 1:07 PM

    Bob Nelson, what a dumb thing to say. You can apply all that you said to the Green Bay Packers. Hell, the Vikings may not have the largest stadium in the NFL but they keep it full, something that a lot of other franchises can’t say. For pity sakes, the Raiders couldn’t even draw as much as the Vikings while they were in LA and the Rams weren’t doing any better before they moved out of town, as well. The only bigger city out there is LA and moving them to LA would be a joke. Now, there might be a couple of years of good attendance but it will soon wear off and then they’ll be down to a team that doesn’t draw nearly as well as Minnesota does and you’ll have a team that is bringing a little more money via TV but that will be offset by the losses at the gate.

  130. edgy says: Dec 10, 2009 2:59 PM

    I think that some people need to stop and think seriously about what they’re talking about. If it were just a matter of a bigger stadium vs a smaller one then there really isn’t an issue as far as teams like Green Bay or Minnesota but the fact is that it’s about LUXURY BOXES and PSLs, which are UNSHARED INCOME. Lambeau Field, for example, has undergone several phases of upgrades and that has resulted in increased seating capacity and luxury boxes, as well as 6,000 club seats, which they get to keep all to themselves. Green Bay, Chicago and Detroit all have 100+ luxury boxes while Minnesota has, from what I can tell, 38. If you were just to say that all the boxes were $5,000 then the Vikings are AT LEAST $500,000 behind each of these clubs in UNSHARED REVENUE and that’s just a conservative figure because they average more than that and I’m only talking about luxury boxes and not the club seats. A lot of people don’t understand that these other teams haven’t been building for extra large capacity but for decent capacity, which they share with the other teams and SUITES and CLUB SEATING, which, they don’t (Cleveland’s new stadium actually holds less than the old one but it’s got a ton of luxury suites that that the old one didn’t). Jerry Jones doesn’t want to share that kind of income with his fellow owners and the supplemental revenue sharing eats into that. He wants to get rid of that first and then the rest, with the fantasy in his mind that he will be able to generate more income from everything, including TV, than any other team in the league. First of all, that will never happen and second of all, what’s he going to do when his league starts to peter out like Arena Football and he has very few opponents to play….

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