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McKinnie's "tell" might have doomed Minnesota

Here’s an interesting nugget from the aftermath of the Week 13 game between the Vikings and the Cardinals.

On Monday, Dan Patrick (via Rick Alonzo of the St. Paul Pioneer Press) shared an interesting tidbit regarding one of the age-old techniques for securing an advantage in football.

Patrick said that former NFL tackle Tony Boselli, who was working the game for Westwood One radio as a sideline reporter, pointed out that the Cardinals knew when a pass was coming from the Vikings because of the manner in which left tackle Bryant McKinnie would line up prior to the snap.

Specifically, McKinnie puts one of his legs in a different position when preparing to pass block.

This doesn’t completely account for the 30-17 loss, since McKinnie missed a portion of the game with an injury.  (Also, McKinnie doesn’t play defense for the Vikings.)

But if it’s true that McKinnie has a “tell,” the Vikings coaches need to tell him to stop doing it.

And kudos to the Cardinals for catching it.

Of course, the Vikings should have caught it before it ever became an issue in a game against an opponent.  This is one of those details that a very good coaching staff catches before anyone else does, and it again makes us wonder whether the Vikings might have been a little premature in their decision to extend the contract of coach Brad Childress.

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  1. kazkal says: Dec 9, 2009 7:24 AM

    Hopefully the bengals D was listening to Dan Patrick that day ^_^

  2. Crushitlong says: Dec 9, 2009 7:29 AM

    Come on.
    I can sit on my couch at home and tell the majority of the time when it’s going to be a pass. Every tackle in the NFL sets up with very little weight on their hand and leaning back. Just the kind of set-up we teach Junior Tackle kids to avoid.

  3. shinsnake says: Dec 9, 2009 7:46 AM

    I watched the Steelers play earlier thise year and when they lined up with their bunch formation close to the tackle they always seemed to have Heath Miller somewhere in that three man group. I noticed that when he flattened out his stance, the Steelers always seemed to run and when he had one foot in front of the other, they always seemed to pass. This might have been their first game of the year or maybe their second, can’t remember which. Then I watched for it in the Bengals game (3rd of the year) and for the most part, the “tell” was no longer there or they would pass in that setup. So either the coaching staff saw it and fixed it, or it was a set up to get it on tape that they run whenever they are lined up like that and Miller has his stance flattened out and then use that same formation to throw out of.
    But if it was a tell, the coaching staff didn’t fix it in during the game, they fixed it for the next game. I would imagine it’s hard to notice something like that during the game and I’m betting the Vikings have already corrected it. Unless, of course, it’s a setup for future teams who review the tape.

  4. Aequitas says: Dec 9, 2009 7:47 AM

    If that’s true, it’s on Pat Morris and, to some extent, Darrell Bevell. One cannot expect the HC to catch every single thing that every single player does on every single play. It’s only Childress’ fault insofar as he’s hired a couple guys who have made a mistake.

  5. blazklobucar says: Dec 9, 2009 7:48 AM

    I think this is a non story and that the Vikes did a good thing in extending Brad’s contract. He has done a great job putting together the talent and utilising them in a right way to max out their potencial. Mac is a great LT and should be in the pro bowl

  6. breadman says: Dec 9, 2009 7:48 AM

    Yes the Arizona game and McKinnies foot are Chilly’s problem. I am sure this was a joke by every team that just became public. . I always wondered way he gets beat every game. Now we can deal with Farve’s december demise. Stick a fork in the Vikes!!! Chilly’s extensioin was just like ND rewarding Weiss for a fast start,a few years ago. STUPID

  7. Fan of Football says: Dec 9, 2009 7:49 AM

    So the Vikings made a mistake extending Childress because of McKinnie has a tell?

  8. JimmySmith says: Dec 9, 2009 7:51 AM

    Classic, are you trying to tell us that Brent threw into double coverage for that INT because of the way McKinnie lined up to block? McKinnie isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer as evidenced by this propensity to settle disputes with a metal pipe or his questionable eating habits as pertains to out-of-state hookers but to suggest that he cost the Vikings the game is far fetched at best.
    As for the Viking’s premature decision to extend Childress’s contract after he lead them to a grand total of one playoff game (which they promptly lost, at home no less), this marks the second time Mr. Noodle hoodwinked the Viking’s brain trust (and I use that term loosely). The first time being after he interviewed for the job and then threatened to sign with the Packers (who had yet to interview anybody much less settle on this bozo) if the Vikings didn’t hire him on the spot.
    So its Childress 2, Vikings O for those of you keeping score at home.

  9. Old Manny of the Mountains says: Dec 9, 2009 7:58 AM

    Florio, you are seriously becoming the TMZ of football blogging (and not in a good way).
    so your insinuating that the Vikings made a mistake in extending BC because he is obviously a bad coach as evidenced by the way the left tackle positioned his leg in the last game. I’m no Vikings fan, but to suggest such a thing is reaching so far, your actually reaching around.

  10. Olbermanisadouche says: Dec 9, 2009 8:04 AM

    The thing is…if it is true it can now be used against an opposing defense (ie. the Bengals) because it has been made public…

  11. Bill Cowher's Chin says: Dec 9, 2009 8:19 AM

    If the Patriots find some sort of advantage everyone says its cheating, I guess when have sucked as lon as the Cardinals, its ok to take advantage of things like that, lmfao

  12. Treezs says: Dec 9, 2009 8:22 AM

    I’m not quite as good as everyone else at finding tells – but I’m pretty good. For example, I know that on downs 1-3 they are probably going to run or pass, almost always they will punt on 4th down. I’m still trying to figure out how I know that, but I think it’s just a feeling I get that I can’t really explain, and most people probably wouldn’t understand anyways.

  13. Tiegame says: Dec 9, 2009 8:27 AM

    He’s been doing this for years, but it’s not always that subtle. I’m guessing his injury helped make it more obvious than in previous games. I wouldn’t put too much into this.

  14. PervyHarvin says: Dec 9, 2009 8:28 AM

    How long has been McKinnie been playing now?? So this is the first team or coach to catch the “dreaded tell?” Seems they get beat every game because of it???LOL Be watching for it Bengals!

  15. TheDPR says: Dec 9, 2009 8:30 AM

    Brad Childress = Not a good coach.

  16. RavensFreak00 says: Dec 9, 2009 8:51 AM

    I agree Florio, Brian Billick is still getting his money from signing his new deal after 2006.

  17. bearsrule says: Dec 9, 2009 8:59 AM

    Of course, the Vikings should have caught it before it ever became an issue in a game against an opponent. This is one of those details that a very good coaching staff catches before anyone else does, and it again makes us wonder whether the Vikings might have been a little premature in their decision to extend the contract of coach Brad Childress.
    There’s no way you can be that much of a meatball and have this website. I know you write this garbage on purpose…..right ?

  18. shinsnake says: Dec 9, 2009 9:03 AM

    @PervyHarvin
    Not every game, just twice. Man that was hilarious seeing the team self destruct against Pittsburgh. And I hate Pittsburgh. You have to wonder if the tell played any part in causing that fumble recovery for a TD. Wasn’t that from McKinnie’s side?

  19. fellasheowed says: Dec 9, 2009 9:08 AM

    its hard to believe a riverboat gambler like mckinnie would have such an obvious tell
    of course by river i mean lake
    and by boat i mean boat full of hookers, and apparently some church ladies who were randomly booked on the same voyage as the smoot party
    and by gambler i mean what kind of dude goes down on imported road beef.

  20. gopher says: Dec 9, 2009 9:12 AM

    A lawyer makes another great decision, fire the coach or do not give him a new contract because the left end gives away the play. The line coach is reponsible but just think of all the other dumb coaches that the Vikings played against and they never saw it and the Vikes are 10-2. The press is over reacting to the Vikings loss as they praise the Saints who should have lost against the Redskins if a guy could have made a chip shot field goal. The insider for NFL Network said the Vikings should have lost to the Ravens and did not because of a missed field goal but he does not mention the Redskins missed field goal.

  21. es25 says: Dec 9, 2009 9:19 AM

    Boselli just said on his radio show here in Jax that the producer of the radio broadcast told him that if he could call 10 plays in a row before they happend, either run or pass, and get them right that he could go on air and tell listeners what he saw since he was working the sideline. Turns out he was right.

  22. Calistin says: Dec 9, 2009 9:20 AM

    Lol, not a Vikings fan by any means, but come on Florio. Childress’s fault? Isn’t there a o-line coach and some of the best -linemen in the leauge to notice this?? I don’t think anyone but you and Mr. Fantastic could make that stretch.

  23. jx4cmario1 says: Dec 9, 2009 9:26 AM

    Hahahahaha what a stupid story, this happens on every play on every down in not only the NFL but also in the NCAA…maybe McKinnie needs to be a little less obvious about it but come on…and Jimmy seriously why do you get hard every time you see a Vikes thread, go away. Can you understand the concept of dropping linebackers and sometimes interior defensive lineman into coverage?? So obviously the tell didn’t cause The Purple Jesus to throw into double coverage, but MAYBE if the tell was obvious enough, the tell caused the double coverage you mental midget.

  24. Ytsejamer1 says: Dec 9, 2009 9:29 AM

    Everyone has had certain tendencies for certain situations… Back in 03, Manning had a couple things he would do in certain situations and the Pats knew it. McGinest in particular saw one of his “tells” and that’s why Edge got stopped at the goal line. Willie Mac knew it was a run.
    I think Manning fixed it though… :(

  25. Richm2256 says: Dec 9, 2009 9:31 AM

    Treezs says:
    I’m not quite as good as everyone else at finding tells – but I’m pretty good. For example, I know that on downs 1-3 they are probably going to run or pass, almost always they will punt on 4th down. I’m still trying to figure out how I know that, but I think it’s just a feeling I get that I can’t really explain, and most people probably wouldn’t understand anyways.
    ————————————————–
    Wow.
    THAT’S why they do what they do out there?!!!!
    Thanks Treezs, suddenly the game makes much more sense to me now. ; )
    (the second wink this week on PFT, it’s officially a trend!)

  26. sask99 says: Dec 9, 2009 9:35 AM

    Peterson is the one with the tell! He leaves his mouthpiece out on passing plays! Every time! On run plays he puts it in his mouth. 100% of the time.

  27. wydok says: Dec 9, 2009 9:35 AM

    I’m sure this is true of other players on other teams.

  28. willie purplecolonel says: Dec 9, 2009 9:41 AM

    2or3 years ago i went to winter park to see if they saw what i saw in the vidio room! willie we just don’t see it! ray charles or stevey wonder i don’t remember the name! but now it rears its ugly head agin ! wtf!!!! wake up winter park!!! or “fire chillie hire willie” and win a freakin super bowl!

  29. sand0 says: Dec 9, 2009 9:42 AM

    Well Florio, the Vikings this season have been going to the line with a run and a pass called. Their technique has been for Favre to read the D and pop to the other play if necessary similar to the Colts. Mayhaps the Cards were good at not showing their intention until the snap while knowing based on McKinnie’s form what was going to happen.
    But whatever they are doing on offense has worked all season up until now and if this truly is the reason the cards d did well then it is very easily corrected.

  30. purpleguy says: Dec 9, 2009 10:00 AM

    It wasn’t a tell. McKinnie still has sea legs from the Love Boat and needs another season to get his balance back.

  31. slipkid says: Dec 9, 2009 10:01 AM

    big reach there on childress. he must be a republican, ergo all the hate for him from flowerio.

  32. akuehn713 says: Dec 9, 2009 10:04 AM

    Would Vikings fans please stop talking about how Childress “built” the team or “aquired” al the talent? He is a below average HEAD COACH, he is not a GM. He has some input on who they sign and or draft, but it is the GM’s call.
    And anybody that thinks that Favre didn’t already make up his mind to play for the Viqueens when he asked for his release from the Jets is nuts. If I hear one more person say “Childress coaxed Favre out of retirement” I’m going to snap.

  33. Bob Loblaw says: Dec 9, 2009 10:08 AM

    Dumb story. About 90% of tackles, especially when facing speed rushers, line up ready to take a step backwards on pass plays and ready to lunge forward on run plays. How many times do you see tackles that look like they are in the backfield like a slot receiver on pass plays? Occasionally they even get called on it.
    You know what the Vikings “tell” was in the game against the Cardinals? It was the disappointed look in their face that the Redskins colossially blundered away the game vs. the Saints.
    The Vikings were caught looking ahead and hoping to gain home field advantage in the playoffs. That was 100% their fault. All players say they take it one game at a time because that is what they should do, but the reality is they don’t. Playing the night game the Vikings players spent the afternoon scoreboard and game watching and not mentally preparing for the Cardinals.
    After the Redskins gave away the game which they outplayed the Saints and moved up and down the field at will, it sapped any enthusiasm out of the Vikings, and they came out flat and lacking any energy or enthusiasm. The Cardinals are way too good of a team to play unmotivated and hope to pull it out in the 4th quarter, so the Vikings paid the price and were severaly outplayed in every phase of the game.

  34. mcarey032 says: Dec 9, 2009 10:10 AM

    This is a non-story. I really don’t like the Vikings or anything like that. I have lost a lot of respect for Brett Favre as for how he carried himself in his last days with the Packers, but to make the supposition that because McKinnie is putting his leg out for pass protection is a good tell and that somehow that lead to a loss is just reaching. Then to expand upon that it was foolish for the Vikings to extend Childress because of this is just reaching with go go gadget arms.
    I think it is foolish to extend Childress, but not because of some silly tell that the tackle does. They had to that point only lost one game and Favre is having one of the best if not the best year of his career. To say that it was premature to sign Childress because the Cardinals somehow exposed some so called weakness that really didn’t effect the game is just a non-story. This “Tell” isn’t going to really help and I am sure most of the teams know what is coming anyway. The real story of this game was where was Adrian Peterson? IMO, Non-story so,
    when is the next mistress for Tiger Woods due to come out?. . .

  35. DuluthFan says: Dec 9, 2009 10:14 AM

    There is one “tell” that is very disturbing…whenever Brett hands the ball off to AD for a run up the middle, it tells me that AD will not wait to see if a whole opens up…insteadd he will just run into the back of one of his O-Linemen. I wish they would get rid of that “tell”.

  36. RacerX says: Dec 9, 2009 10:33 AM

    “and it again makes us wonder whether the Vikings might have been a little premature in their decision to extend the contract of coach Brad Childress.”
    I love the plural pronouns on this site… yes I’m sure the entire staff there is wondering about this. How silly.
    Of course it was premature to extend a coach who hasnt won anything significant yet!! Duh.
    But tying it to a good player’s stance is beyond silly. Try to elevate your analysis, boys.
    Thanks.

  37. jesuswasapacker123 says: Dec 9, 2009 10:33 AM

    Cinco is gunna give em the ole tony danza

  38. Notoroius B.U.G. says: Dec 9, 2009 11:03 AM

    Maybe the coaches and coordinators should all be fired from the teams that have lost to the Vikings. If they had done their homework and recognized this “tell” the Vikings would be 0-12. Let’s fire all the players from those teams too. Actually, just determine their franchises.

  39. nostreves says: Dec 9, 2009 11:16 AM

    Childress is NOT a good coach. He should have NEVER been extended. In the 2008 season ownership had to step in and FORCE Dumb-shit-Childress to bench T-JOKE (Travaris Jackson) and go to Gus Frerotte. Childress should be fired just for keeping T-JOKE on the roster. Then on top of that dumb-shit-Childress has T-JOKE as the backup QB and Sage Rosenfels as third. No childress should have NEVER been extended and yes a terrible NFL coach.

  40. Fan of Football says: Dec 9, 2009 11:16 AM

    “After the Redskins gave away the game which they outplayed the Saints and moved up and down the field at will, it sapped any enthusiasm out of the Vikings, and they came out flat and lacking any energy or enthusiasm. The Cardinals are way too good of a team to play unmotivated and hope to pull it out in the 4th quarter, so the Vikings paid the price and were severaly outplayed in every phase of the game.”
    Finally, somebody gets it right. I knew right after the pathetic Redskins gave the game away that the Vikings would lose that night playing unmotivated ball. If I was in Vegas, I would have put my life savings on that.

  41. Bo Darville says: Dec 9, 2009 11:33 AM

    “This is one of those details that a very good coaching staff catches before anyone else does, and it again makes us wonder whether the Vikings might have been a little premature in their decision to extend the contract of coach Brad Childress.”
    Might have been a little premature? All it took was one of the greatest QBs in NFL history to make this all-star team finally good and even then they’re not as good as they should be. That should be more telling than any “tell” that Bryant McKinnie may or may not have had.

  42. leatherneck says: Dec 9, 2009 11:34 AM

    Florio, McKinnie missed only one play. That was a running play that resulted in a small yardage gain. That one play had little to no bearing on the outcome of the game.

  43. PurpleRaid12 says: Dec 9, 2009 11:35 AM

    I caught that too, although you know what I also caught, he did it when there was a 4 WR set, and no RB in the backfield, NO SHIT it’s a pass play. Florio you’re an idiot not only for suggesting that this cost us the game, but that a 5x pro-bowler has a problem.
    and AGAIN, JimmySmith appears and says:
    “Thats Childress 2 Vikings 0 for those who are keeping score at home”
    -well we know you are, because you seem to have a hard-0n for anything Vikings

  44. DocBG says: Dec 9, 2009 11:59 AM

    Usually, there is a desire to reply on here to the morons just flaming up above (i.e. 95% of packer fans). But in a case like this, it seems like Florio is the moron doing the flaming. get a clue allready and move on, your beloved packers are clearly not as good as the vikes, and they wont be for a long time so long as they keey cpt dumbshit in charge of things. bust after bust in the draft (lets not pretend that pick by hawk was anything other than a single good play, not a good career), poor personal usage, absolutely no loyalty to anyone at all, and poor playcalling. add in a lack of talent at several key positions, a lack of morality amongst the coaching staff, and you’ve got a group that should make wisconsin proud every sunday.

  45. CanadianVikingFan says: Dec 9, 2009 1:45 PM

    No the Vikes made the mistake on resigning Childress because of the increasing record every year. Which has to do more with the players and not the garbage play calling. Oh and Lezlie Fraizer for giving up lots of tds in the 4th quarter when the team is ahead allowing the other team to catch up… STUPID COACHES GALORE AT MINNESOTA, COME GET THEM WHILE THEY ARE HOT!

  46. JimmySmith says: Dec 9, 2009 2:14 PM

    and AGAIN, JimmySmith appears and says:
    Get back to me once the Biqueens actually get around to winning a playoff game. Its been awhile.

  47. Canned Heat says: Dec 9, 2009 2:41 PM

    “bust after bust in the draft (lets not pretend that pick by hawk was anything other than a single good play, not a good career)”
    DocBG…Find me another team in the NFL with a top 5 defense that’s starting 3 rookies….and at some times playing 5 rookies.
    I’d be all pent up with rage too if I knew this was my last chance go round with my team playing at balloon land before they get sent to LA for good. If you bandwagon jumpers sold out that stadium for more than one season every ten, you’d have a new one. Only teams with a solid football tradition, like the frickin’ Cardinals, can afford new stadiums. Less money on ice fishing equipment and trannies, more money on your team seats and dark pink jerseys.

  48. CanadianVikingFan says: Dec 9, 2009 3:51 PM

    Are the Pack fans who jumped on the 07 Bandwagon still here? Did they jump off during 08 and now are starting to jump back on?

  49. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 9, 2009 5:29 PM

    I think Brad Childress is just as much a cross-dressing buffoon as the next guy, but this is a little over the top. Suggesting he might not be a good coach because he personally didn’t notice McKinnie’s supposed “tell”? Florio’s stirring the pot. Nothing more.
    Childress is a cross-dresser, though.

  50. comment_submission_error says: Dec 9, 2009 9:45 PM

    Tony has no business calling football games. He might be right about McKinnie, but he flat-out sucks as an announcer.

  51. beauty says: Dec 10, 2009 11:45 AM

    Look here minnesota just sucks ok if aint the giants or the cardinals they are the only two good teams out there now brett favre just sucks as qb ol boy aint tippin nobody off brett and jay cutler both force the ball if they didnt force it so much they might actually win a game but if your team sucks and your going to go against a better team then yeah your gonna lose

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