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Turner calls Woodson "unbelievable"

Our MVP list here at PFT includes four names that won’t surprise you — Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre and Chris Johnson — and one name that might surprise you: Charles Woodson.

But Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner, who’s been watching a lot of film of Woodson this week as his team prepares to play Woodson’s Green Bay Packers, says it should be no surprise that Woodson is in the MVP conversation.

He’s unbelievable,” Turner said of Woodson. “I don’t remember the last time if ever that I’ve seen someone have the year that he’s having. He’s unbelievable. He’s all over the field. He’s playing corner, he’s playing nickel, he’s playing strong safety. He’s going head-to-head on tight ends. He’s making tackles, he’s causing fumbles, he’s intercepting balls. He is all over the place and it’s unbelievable to watch.”

On Sunday things should get even better for Woodson because he gets his second chance to do what NFL cornerbacks have loved doing this season: Play against Jay Cutler.

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  1. schism says: Dec 10, 2009 11:35 AM

    Woodson is going to have more receptions than Hester.

  2. straverse says: Dec 10, 2009 11:36 AM

    So much love going around this site today. I can hardly stomach it.

  3. purplepuzzyeatrz says: Dec 10, 2009 11:37 AM

    As a Die Hard Viking Fan, and what I would consider a Classy fan…Meaning: I would never burn AP’s jersey if he went to the Pack… I thought the Favre Booing in Lambeau was one of the most Classless things I have ever witenessed.
    MY point: Woodson has been most fun to watch defensive player in a long long time…He has taken his game to a new level..He is definately an MVP candidate….With so much publicity on the Offense, this guy is getting overlooked. He is changing games and deserves some Cred.
    SKOL

  4. sven_ftw says: Dec 10, 2009 11:38 AM

    not sure about mvp, but the guy is a hell of a competitor…

  5. Coach Ripper says: Dec 10, 2009 11:44 AM

    Hmmm. Whose out-of-date football skills and eye for talent drafted this guy? Could it be…. Nahhh. This was strictly Gruden’s pick, right? No?

  6. scrapdawg12 says: Dec 10, 2009 11:46 AM

    He was once a heisman trophy winner and I don’t think he is unbelievable but he’s good

  7. Iain says: Dec 10, 2009 11:49 AM

    Darrelle Revis is a lot better than Woodson. Watch the games.

  8. Bob Nelson says: Dec 10, 2009 11:53 AM

    Easily the the Defensive player of the year.
    MVP is tough award for a defensive player to earn just like the Heisman trophy.
    But then Woodson did earn the Heisman Trophy.

  9. frick3 says: Dec 10, 2009 11:53 AM

    Woodson is a beast!

  10. frick3 says: Dec 10, 2009 11:54 AM

    Defensive player of the year?

  11. Ross'sSweetMinus says: Dec 10, 2009 11:57 AM

    Hey purplepuzzyeatrz,
    I much did you love Farve the last 17 years when he was kicking your teams ass every year? I love it, all you loser queens fans can’t get enough of him. Band wagoners! what are you homo’s going to do when you team leaves for L.A? I have an idea, you’ll all gather at Loring park and have a love fest :) One of the worst fans in the NFL period!

  12. downsouth49er says: Dec 10, 2009 11:58 AM

    purplepuzzyeatrz says:
    “Woodson has been most fun to watch defensive player in a long long time”
    Ever heard of Patrick Willis?

  13. scomibord says: Dec 10, 2009 11:59 AM

    No mention of Darren Sharper. Leading the league in INT’s. Three returned for touchdowns. Or would that put him into comeback player of the year???

  14. whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: Dec 10, 2009 12:00 PM

    purplepuzzyeatrz says: December 10, 2009 11:37 AM
    As a Die Hard Viking Fan, and what I would consider a Classy fan…Meaning: I would never burn AP’s jersey if he went to the Pack… I thought the Favre Booing in Lambeau was one of the most Classless things I have ever witenessed.
    MY point: Woodson has been most fun to watch defensive player in a long long time…He has taken his game to a new level..He is definately an MVP candidate….With so much publicity on the Offense, this guy is getting overlooked. He is changing games and deserves some Cred.
    SKOL
    ——————————-
    Yeah, with a screen name like yours….you are all class! Please. There’s no such thing as a classy Vikings fan.
    Favre got exactly what he deserved. He was the opposing QB of a rival. He acted like a baby when he didn’t get his own way and trashed everyone within the organization, told numerous lies on his way out the door. Lies that were even verified accidentally by his own agent. Meanwhile, the Packers front office and coaches chose there words carefully and went out of their way not to bad mouth him or say anything negative. The same guy also called up the Lions last year the week they played them to give away inside info that he had to help them beat them. When he got busted by the media….what did he do? Lie, backpedal and try to twist the truth. Once again, it was confirmed by not only 2 Lions coaches but even a Jets coach who was present in the conference room.

  15. packers4life says: Dec 10, 2009 12:02 PM

    “I thought the Favre Booing in Lambeau was one of the most Classless things I have ever witenessed.”
    Quit your cryin’ and get over it. It isn’t like Viking fans ever booed him either.

  16. PervyHarvin says: Dec 10, 2009 12:02 PM

    As a senior in high school Woodson was named Ohio’s “Mr. Football.”In his junior season in 1997, Woodson won the Heisman Trophy.Woodson led the Michigan Wolverines to an undefeated season and a share of the national championship . He also won the Bronko Nagurski Trophy as the best defensive college player that year.He was named The NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year as a Raider.In 2008, Woodson was named to his fifth Pro Bowl,his first as a Packer. Guess what I’m saying is don’t be surprised by his play,the guy has always excelled.

  17. The Hormel Row of Fame says: Dec 10, 2009 12:06 PM

    No love for D Sharper? He has very comparable stats, albeit playing further downfield. Woodson has been good for the past 3 years; the previous 8 were average at best (2 years injured). Sharper has been pretty solid (’08 being the exception) year after year. Both are right at or a hair below their best statistical year, 3/4 of the way through the season. Thoughts?

  18. stairway27 says: Dec 10, 2009 12:07 PM

    Nothing says “CLASS” like a screen name that says “purplepuzzyeatrz “

  19. Ruvell100 says: Dec 10, 2009 12:07 PM

    Another poor move by Thompson…

  20. Emoney says: Dec 10, 2009 12:09 PM

    purplepuzzyeatrz,
    The reason why Favre was booed at Lambeau was because of who he’s playing for. If he was playing for any other team other than the Vikings and Bears, I highly doubt that Packer fans, including myself, would have booed him. You’d have to live in Wisconsin and be a packer fan for his entire career to understand why we as packer fans take it so personal. He was the face of our franchise for 16 years, and to see him in a vikings uniform(no offense) is flat out sickening. You are our #1 most hated rivals. And now he’s on the other side, playing for a team who competes with us for the division. Packer fans don’t hate him. I don’t hate him. I’ve said some nasty things about him since he’s joined the Vikings, but I know that as soon as he takes off that purple jersey, we will all forgive and forget. You say that you wouldn’t be upset if AP joined the packers, but if AP was the face and leader of your favorite team for 16 glorious years, I think you would change your opinion. AP has only been with Minnesota for a couple of years. And I don’t think you would take it that personal right now. Brett Favre could have run for governor in Wisconsin, and I bet he would have won. Wisconsin loved this guy.
    By the way, appreciate the positive comments about Woodson. He doesn’t get enough credit for his play on the field.

  21. mustbechris says: Dec 10, 2009 12:10 PM

    he’s like, past that age where cornerbacks are put out to pasture. and he’s having this type of season. it won’t get him an MVP because his last name isn’t Manning, but he’s a huge reason why that Packers defense is as good as it is.

  22. favrecansuckit says: Dec 10, 2009 12:11 PM

    As a Die Hard Viking Fan, and what I would consider a Classy fan…Meaning: I would never burn AP’s jersey if he went to the Pack… I thought the Favre Booing in Lambeau was one of the most Classless things I have ever witenessed.
    MY point
    ——————————————————–
    Um, this has nothing to do with the article or your “point” you dumb ass.

  23. Oakfan23 says: Dec 10, 2009 12:13 PM

    As a raider fan, i was SAD to see him go. I loved Woodson ever since Michigan, and was grateful for the great play he gave as a Raider

  24. cbrianwatkins says: Dec 10, 2009 12:18 PM

    @scrapdawg12
    not only that, but he’s the only defensive player to win the heisman
    he is in fact unbelievable

  25. swo says: Dec 10, 2009 12:19 PM

    An example of a play he made that a lot of corners do not in the Baltimore game was right after one of Tramon Williams’ 15 pass interference penalties in the end zone. He knifed through and tackled Rice by his toes for a few yard loss, which preceded the Flacco pick in the end zone. It was a heck of a play.
    He’s a stud.

  26. AutumnWind999 says: Dec 10, 2009 12:21 PM

    Not a serious MVP candidate. Great season but I’m not so sure he’s been any better than Darelle Revis or Darren Sharper. I’d have another Packer — Aaron Rodgers — in the top-5 of the MVP race rather than Woodson.

  27. Bob Loblaw says: Dec 10, 2009 12:22 PM

    Also a Vikings fan here who thinks Woodson is the defensive POY.
    The overall MVP is Peyton Manning. Seems it doesn’t matter who his receivers are or who’s at RB, he always performs, and they are undfeated without Bob Sanders playing this year. Look at the Steelers, when Troy Polamula is in they win most of their games, when he’s out they’ve lost almost every game. But Manning leads to the Colts to win after win without their defensive game-changer.
    Woodson makes the Packers defense much better than if he wasn’t there, but he’s not the difference between them winning and losing the majority of their games like Manning.

  28. Professor says: Dec 10, 2009 12:23 PM

    Coach Ripper, please tell me you’re not looking for people to give Al Davis credit for drafting Woodson! Eye for talent….right. Yeah, I supposed Davis saw something that nobody else saw in the current year’s heisman trophy winner.
    That’s like giving a guy credit for drafting AP with the first overall pick in fantasy football this year.

  29. CABroncoFan says: Dec 10, 2009 12:24 PM

    He’s the only defensive player to win the Heisman and beat out runner up Peyton Manning by a landslide.
    He’ll need at least 2 more huge games (out of the 4 left) to make this stick.
    Having said that, the argument for Darren Sharper should be made as well. That guy has transformed the Saints into a complete football team. There aren’t any other new faces on that D, that couldn’t stop anyone last year.
    Tough for Woodson because Sharper’s probably leading the convo for Defensive Player of the Year.

  30. ignoringthehaters says: Dec 10, 2009 12:24 PM

    Revis? he’s the 3rd best CB in the league. 1) Woodson 2) Asomuagh 3) Revis. Out of those 3, Revis gets the most safety help “watch the games” and you’d see that. If GB makes the playoffs, MVP has to go to Woodson.
    Oak
    As a fellow Raider fan I’m with you. He was the best player on that team for years. When he left I was wondering who’d fill the void. It took a few years, but Nnamdi Asomuagh is a beast and a hundred times better than Revis

  31. JaredAllen69 says: Dec 10, 2009 12:25 PM

    Bob Nelson says:
    December 10, 2009 11:53 AM
    Easily the the Defensive player of the year.
    MVP is tough award for a defensive player to earn just like the Heisman trophy.
    But then Woodson did earn the Heisman Trophy.
    *******************************************
    You’re a tool Bob.

  32. Supersuckers says: Dec 10, 2009 12:28 PM

    Ruvell100 says:
    December 10, 2009 12:07 PM
    Another poor move by Thompson…
    ——-
    Dear Gay Ted,
    Just a terrible unrestricted free agency pick up. What a bonehead you are. Maybe if we would have kept Carrol and McKenzie we would someday have the #1 ranked defense in the NFL with ball hawking DB’s instead of this shit you have assembled.
    regretfully yours,
    Beer Cheese Soup/Majik Man

  33. hizzle1281 says: Dec 10, 2009 12:32 PM

    imagine him on one side and Asomough on the other, dumazz raiders always trading away good players

  34. Bob S. says: Dec 10, 2009 12:33 PM

    “He’s unbelievable,” Turner said of Woodson.

    Say what?
    The only thing unbelievable is how Ron Turner a complete incompetant who ruined Grossman and Cutler and maybe Forte too and couldn’t get the best or close to it out of Orton or Cedric Benson, it is absolutely unbelievable that Ron Turner still has that job with the Bears.

  35. AlphaBean says: Dec 10, 2009 12:35 PM

    Remember how Woodson was washed up when he went to the Packers?
    Remember how Randy Moss was washed up when he went to the Pats?
    Hmm… I see Pro Bowls in the future for Gallery, McFadden and Russell after they finally leave the Raiders!

  36. FootballPhil says: Dec 10, 2009 12:37 PM

    purplepuzzyeatrz says: December 10, 2009 11:37 AM
    As a Die Hard Viking Fan, and what I would consider a Classy fan…Meaning: I would never burn AP’s jersey if he went to the Pack… I thought the Favre Booing in Lambeau was one of the most Classless things I have ever witenessed.
    ———————————————————
    This is why everyone hates Vikings’ fans. What does this have to do with Ron Turner’s comments about Charles Woodson? What kind of sick individual has to interject meanlingless comments about the Viking-Packer rivalry or Brett Favre? Learn something about the NFL besides Packers/Vikings you narrow minded moron.
    You love the Vikings? Great, good for you. Now go post on a relevant message board and leave this great website to the adults.

  37. benjua says: Dec 10, 2009 12:44 PM

    “On Sunday things should get even better for Woodson because he gets his second chance to do what NFL cornerbacks have loved doing this season: Play against Jay Cutler.”
    i assume this is a knock on his INT total. if you’d looked it up, you’d know only 6 of his 20 picks have been to CBs.

  38. wrath4771 says: Dec 10, 2009 12:44 PM

    Today my voting for Defensive Player of the Year would go Woodson, Allen then Sharper. But we have four weeks left and all three players are very close in my opinion.
    As for classless Packer fans, the Vikings have never had a player like Farve (i.e. the face of the franchise and at one point the face of the NFL). Really the only comparable thing of Farve going to the Vikings would be Derek Jeter telling the Yankess to get bent and he wants to be a Red Sox. It was oine thing for Farve to go to the Jets – sad to see him go – but another to go to your rival in an effort to put it to TT twice a year. Yes, the Vikings have the pieces to compete, but there’s a huge part of Farve that wanted to put it to TT. If Farve wins the Super Bowl in Minnesota – good for him, he’ll have achieved his goa – but in Wisconsin, he’ll just be “another guy”.

  39. Joe in Toronto, Canada says: Dec 10, 2009 12:49 PM

    # Iain says: December 10, 2009 11:49 AM
    Darrelle Revis is a lot better than Woodson. Watch the games.
    ===================================
    As good as Revis is, and he’s very good, he doesn’t have the size and tackling ability Woodson has.
    He can play safety with the best of them, as can Asomugha.
    Woodson can, and does, do it all and he’s the best there is at stripping the ball too.
    If your talking strictly coverage abilities, Revis is awesome and he’s still very young.

  40. FootballPhil says: Dec 10, 2009 12:50 PM

    # hizzle1281 says: December 10, 2009 12:32 PM
    imagine him on one side and Asomough on the other, dumazz raiders always trading away good players
    ——————————————————–
    Great post genius! Woodson wasn’t traded, he was a FA. Thanks for proving that not only is the franchise irrelevant but also their fans!

  41. Majik Man says: Dec 10, 2009 1:07 PM

    Super
    You’re right, Ted is the best GM ever.
    Signed,
    Marquand Manuel
    Justin Harrel
    AJ Hawk
    Duke Preston
    Terrence Murphy
    Abdul Hodge
    Brandon Jackson
    Aaron Rouse
    Allen Barbre
    (special thank you for not trading the draft pick used on me to trade for Randy Moss)
    Jordy Nelson
    Brian Brohm
    Patrick Lee
    BJ Raji
    Anthony Smith
    Vernand Morency
    And a very big thanks from Aaron Kampman, for forcing me to play out of position during my contract year, causing me to lose millions after my years of loyalty to Green Bay.

  42. Brewster says: Dec 10, 2009 1:07 PM

    Coach Ripper says:
    December 10, 2009 11:44 AM
    Hmmm. Whose out-of-date football skills and eye for talent drafted this guy? Could it be…. Nahhh. This was strictly Gruden’s pick, right? No?
    ____________________
    The same guy that picked Russell, DHB and a host of others who failed for the Raiders over most of the past 20 years. The same guy that makes every football decision on the Raiders.
    The same guy who is the crux of the Raiders problems, the owner/GM/HC, & draft guru.
    So big Al gets credit for seeing & drafting talent in Woodson. One could say the fact that he won the Heisman might lead one to believe he had talent, but we’re talking Al Davis here and he listens to no one but himself, so surely he disregarded the Heisman thing and drafted Woodson because he felt he had talent. Give him credit, he got one right.
    Now let’s look at how he performed in Oakland. Pretty good, for the 8 years he was there. However, in his 4 years in Green Bay his career stats show more than 60% of 12 years worth of NFL stats were achieved in GB. It makes you wonder just how good he might have been if he was drafted by almost anyone other than the dysfunctional Raiders.
    Randy Moss regains his old form after leaving the Raiders, Woodson flourishes in Green Bay, kinda makes you wonder, maybe big Al is right, maybe JaMarcus is a talent and would flourish in another system? Ya think?

  43. ACDC84 says: Dec 10, 2009 1:14 PM

    “Darrelle Revis is a lot better than Woodson. Watch the games.”
    Nope you are incorrect. Woodson has more tackles than Asomugha or Revis, and more INTs, sacks, forced fumbles, and TDs than those two guys COMBINED. He shadows the opposition’s best receiver (whether it be a WR or TE), plays some safety, is an effective blitzer, and has forced eleven turnovers.
    So what if Revis covers so well that that QBs “won’t even look his way”. I’d say Woodson is better, because he baits QBs into thinking his guy is open, then jumps the route and picks it off. I’d take an INT over good coverage every day of the week.

  44. Ruvell100 says: Dec 10, 2009 1:18 PM

    Joe in Toronto hit it on the nuts. Revis is a very good cover corner and will be for a very long time. I’m sure the other facets to his game will come along.
    But right now, Woodson, Asomugha and you could maybe throw a healthy Winfield in the mix as the only complete corners in the game. They can shut down wideouts, have the size to cover tight ends, blitz well, tackle well and excel in run support.
    Revis or Leon Hall aren’t there yet.

  45. Fire Ted says: Dec 10, 2009 1:21 PM

    There is one hugely important new face on the Saints’ D that you are ommitting…the defensive coordinator, Gregg Williams. Unfortunately for Saints fans, he could well be there for just one year as he gets offered a HC gig with one of at least five open jobs next year. That said, I think Woodson is absolutely in the discussion. As much as I hate HATE to say it, it will likely go to Favre and deservedly so. It kills me to say that not because of who it is but because of who he plays for. As for the booing when he returned to Lambeau, sorry bud, nobody cheers for the other teams’ QB at Lambeau. Never gonna happen.

  46. Sasquash says: Dec 10, 2009 1:25 PM

    While I wish a defensive player would get the MVP, too many voters are in love with the offense. Defense wins championships, and defensive players should get way more credit when it comes to MVP voting.
    Woodson is a great player and has been for a long time. I think Sharper is right there with him. The only knock on Sharper (has nothing to do with Sharper) is that the Saints are killing most teams, and teams have to then take chances down feild to try and come back. That causes teams to do what they may not be that good at and play into the future HOF Sharpers hands. As far as Revis goes I feel he is a special player. He may be the only true shutdown corner in the league. But he is smaller and less physical then Woodson, which makes Woodson a more versitile player. I would love to have either player on the Eagles.
    I know no one cares what I say or list but here is my MVP voting as of right now.
    1-C. Woodson
    2-D. Sharper
    3-Jared Allen(if the Williams wall wasn’t there he may be number 1 in my book)
    4-Peyton Manning ( got to have atleast one offensive player)
    Clearly I am biased on the side of defense as I hate offense and all the rules the league puts in to make it easy for them to be good and score lots of points.

  47. Fan_Of_ Four says: Dec 10, 2009 1:26 PM

    Packer Fans are such tools.
    Shouldn’t you all be out ice fishing or cleaning the barn or is it date night with your sisters ?

  48. footballrulz says: Dec 10, 2009 1:33 PM

    purplepuzzyeatrz says: December 10, 2009 11:37 AM
    As a Die Hard Viking Fan, and what I would consider a Classy fan…Meaning: I would never burn AP’s jersey if he went to the Pack… I thought the Favre Booing in Lambeau was one of the most Classless things I have ever witenessed.
    _______________________________
    I see your daddy hasn’t unlocked that gun cabinet yet. (sigh)

  49. marshall70 says: Dec 10, 2009 1:34 PM

    FootballPill
    Everyone hate Packer fans, not Vikings fans. Packer fans thing they’re something special. The truth of the matter is Packer fans are the biggest whiners and always have something to cry about. It’s constant with you people. Favre will come back ‘home’ when they retire his number and you can cry your eyes out with happiness then.

  50. everythingchicagoblows says: Dec 10, 2009 1:38 PM

    This would be considered a compliment if it was coming from any other O. Coordinator in the league. Ron Turner doesn’t deserve to be coaching a high school team.
    Oh and stay classy purplepuzzyeatrz…you douchnozzle.

  51. Supersuckers says: Dec 10, 2009 1:40 PM

    Majik Man says:
    December 10, 2009 1:07 PM
    Super
    You’re right, Ted is the best GM ever.
    Signed,
    Marquand Manuel
    Justin Harrel
    AJ Hawk
    Duke Preston
    Terrence Murphy
    Abdul Hodge
    Brandon Jackson
    Aaron Rouse
    Allen Barbre
    (special thank you for not trading the draft pick used on me to trade for Randy Moss)
    Jordy Nelson
    Brian Brohm
    Patrick Lee
    BJ Raji
    Anthony Smith
    Vernand Morency
    And a very big thanks from Aaron Kampman, for forcing me to play out of position during my contract year, causing me to lose millions after my years of loyalty to Green Bay.

  52. Carl Gerbschmidt says: Dec 10, 2009 1:41 PM

    Fan of Four, no it’s championship trophy cleaning day, we will be busy for hours.

  53. turdfergusonpackerpoo says: Dec 10, 2009 1:44 PM

    who cares what Ron Turner thinks…? he could watch a dog poppin’ a squat and cleaning themselves afterwards and think that was “unbelievable”. He sucks, the bears suck, the packers suck and it will remain that way until the bears get a receiver, the packers get rid of thompson and mister manly humps from the sideline.

  54. GobiasINC_1 says: Dec 10, 2009 1:48 PM

    Hey, what do you know everyone?!? Fan_Of_Four is being a worthless, negativity producing a$$clown! Then again, what else is new?
    As for MagikMan, the players you have included on that list that are still on the Packers are some of the reason they are now 8-4. Please just become a fan of another team, sir. A real fan sticks by their team even if they disagree with personnel moves.
    Charles Woodson rules!

  55. Pack83 says: Dec 10, 2009 1:49 PM

    Woodson isn’t even the MVP of his own team…it’s Rodgers. You take Rodgers off the Packers and their a 2-4 win team, even with Woodson flying around and having the slam dunk Defensive MVP season he’s having.
    Let’s use 1986 as an example. It was a different era. You had star QB’s and RB’s, but they didn’t generally put up numbers like Manning/Brees/Brady/Rivers/Rodgers/Favre are putting up this season. Lawrence Taylor won the MVP. He had 20.5 sacks and absolutely, no doubt, was the best football player on the field for every snap he was on the field. And look at how the Giants won games in 86: they were 14-2 and I think had a stretch of 6 straight games where they won each by 6 points or less. Phil Simms is a recognizable name at QB, and had an incredible Super Bowl, but look at his regular season stats: 3,487, 21 TD, 22 INT. Taylor absolutely won them games in 86 and without him they would not have been the 2 seed in the NFC, and maybe would have missed the playoffs.
    I’m as big a Packer fan as they come, and appreciate what he’s done this season, but Woodson is just not having THAT type of MVP season. How far the team has gotten and will get to this season is on Rodgers.
    And the NFL isn’t MLB…get Chris Johnson out of there, the team is 5-7. When Jamal Lewis rushed for 2066 yards in 2003 on a 7-9 Ravens team, did he win MVP?? The ARod’s of the world, playing for a non-contender, don’t win this award. As a matter of fact, I don’t think it’s ever gone to a player on a team with a losing record.

  56. DocBG says: Dec 10, 2009 1:52 PM

    its funny how there are actually more bear fans running their pieholes on posts about the vikings then there are talking about their own suckass QB. Cuntler sucks a fat one every game, biggest mistake of the fantasy season so far was to draft him as a backup to donovon, oh well, live and learn.
    Woodson doesn’t neccesarily deserve defensive player of the year award, let alone MVP, turner clearly is insane, if you don’t believe me, just look at how he ruins players left and right.
    Sharper > Woodson
    Dumerville > Woodson
    Allen > Woodson
    Winfield (when healthy and playing) > Woodson
    here’s what turner is doing; he’s making a slightly above average player look WAY better than what he is, then when they attack him through the air during the game, it looks like he (turner) is WAY smarter than what he actually is, its all about covering his own ass first. going this route gives him something special to say during his job interviews next year. “we were able to handle possible the greatest CB to ever walk the earth in that one game cuz of what i did”

  57. footballrulz says: Dec 10, 2009 1:58 PM

    @ Fan_of_Four
    Shouldn;t you be weashing Favre’s jock straps or giving him a good “polish”?
    @marshall70
    football phil was referring to Raider’s & their fan base–if you gonna play with the big boys–pay attention.

  58. Emoney says: Dec 10, 2009 2:06 PM

    Fan_Of_ Four says:
    December 10, 2009 1:26 PM
    Packer Fans are such tools.
    Shouldn’t you all be out ice fishing or cleaning the barn or is it date night with your sisters ?
    —————————–
    Are you serious??? I’m assuming you’re a Viking fan because that’s all Viking fans say and think. What makes you think you’re any better than the people of Wisconsin? Your state is RIGHT NEXT TO OURS! Its just as cold, if not colder than Wisconsin. There is nothing to do in Minnesota, just like there’s nothing to do in Wisconsin in the winter! Cleaning out our barn??? Listen you close minded idiot…I don’t live in a barn nor do I live anywhere close to a barn or farm. There are just as many barns in Minnesota as there are in Wisconsin. I live in a city. Do you know what a city is??? Its where a large poplulation of people live. A city where there are more than just conservative old white people. We have blacks, hispanics, EVEN asians! I know I know. You’re shocked right now. Pull your closed-minded head out of your ass you moron!
    ———————————————-
    marshall70 says:
    December 10, 2009 1:34 PM
    FootballPill
    Everyone hate Packer fans, not Vikings fans. Packer fans thing they’re something special. The truth of the matter is Packer fans are the biggest whiners and always have something to cry about. It’s constant with you people. Favre will come back ‘home’ when they retire his number and you can cry your eyes out with happiness then.
    —————–
    Everyone hates Packer fans? Are you speaking for the state of Minnesota? Or are you speaking for the entire country? Frankly, I’m sure most people outside of your state either don’t like care for them nor do they hate them. Its like asking me how I feel about the Broncos or Chiefs or Patriots or whomever outside of the NFC North. I don’t care one way or the other. They’re not my teams rivals, so I have no feeling toward them one way or the other. The only fans who hate Green Bay is Minnesota, Chicago, and Detroit. And rightfully so. We’ve been kicking your asses for the past 15-20 years, with the exception of a few years in between when Chicago or Minnesota had a few good years.
    And we whine? So you’re telling me that NO other fans in the NFL whine when they lose? When their teams lose, they just shrug their shoulders and say “oh well. Its just a football game and a loss.”
    I look forward to a year or two from now when Minnesota comes back down to their normal place of mediocricy and then I can listen to see how cocky you assholes really are. If anyone in the country hates a team, its minnesota. If they didn’t, then why is everyone other than Minnesota fans rooting against you guys and pulling for the Saints or anyone who can knock you guys off? Your team obviously doesn’t have a large fan base, so shut your mouth, bow your head and walk away.
    Rack ‘em. I’m out.

  59. juggernuts says: Dec 10, 2009 2:20 PM

    MajikMan,
    If you listed off every player that any GM signed you would have a bunch of players that didn’t work out. I can’t believe that you have Hawk and Raji in your list, Hawk is solid and yes maybe not the impact player that a #5 pick should be, but he is a good player, and even an idiot can see after the last couple of games that Raji is going to be a beast.
    As far as Kampman goes, are you suggesting that the Packers should have stayed with DC Bob Sanders and his 4-3 defense so that Kampman could play the position he is suited for? I think the best thing they could have done for Kampman is trade him to a 4-3 team.
    Anyway, your an idiot.

  60. FootballPhil says: Dec 10, 2009 2:24 PM

    # marshall70 says: December 10, 2009 1:34 PM
    FootballPill
    Everyone hate Packer fans, not Vikings fans. Packer fans thing they’re something special. The truth of the matter is Packer fans are the biggest whiners and always have something to cry about. It’s constant with you people. Favre will come back ‘home’ when they retire his number and you can cry your eyes out with happiness then.
    ——————————————————-
    (Sigh) I’m not a Packer fan. But now that you have brought up the Packer/Viking rivalry (as Viking fans always do) let’s review some facts.
    Yes the Vikings beat the Packers this year because this year the Vikings are better than the Packers. That’s great! I’m real proud of you! But informed people know more than just their homer team like you. I know that since the inception of the Minnesota franchise, they have yet to win a championship. This fact alone would exclude any sane person from even entering into a debate about a team’s dominance over a team that has 12 championships or a Steeler franchise that has 6, like the Cowboys.
    But the fact that Minnesota has yet to win the ultimate goal of every team, player, city and fan is common knowledge and beating a dead horse. So, maybe the whole team thing is not the Vikings forte. So let’s take a look at individual accolades namely Hall of Fame members. The Vikings have 14 former players in the Hall of Fame. In their entire history. Pretty sad when you compare that to:
    Bears- 35
    Redskins- 29
    Giants- 27
    Packers- 26
    Steelers- 24
    Rams- 23
    Browns- 21
    Lions- 18
    Cowboys- 17
    Cardinals- 16
    49ers- 16
    So, big picture, the Viking franchise has done nothing as far as championships and is mediocre at best when it comes to individual players. What is there to brag about?

  61. daPACK says: Dec 10, 2009 2:26 PM

    purplepuzzyeatrz says:
    December 10, 2009 11:37 AM
    As a Die Hard Viking Fan, and what I would consider a Classy fan…Meaning: I would never burn AP’s jersey if he went to the Pack… I thought the Favre Booing in Lambeau was one of the most Classless things I have ever witenessed.
    MY point: Woodson has been most fun to watch defensive player in a long long time…He has taken his game to a new level..He is definately an MVP candidate….With so much publicity on the Offense, this guy is getting overlooked. He is changing games and deserves some Cred.
    SKOL
    ________________________________
    Sorry man, but comparing Favre going to the Vikes and AP going to the Pack is not right. You’ve had 3 or 4 years with the guy. When AP plays 16 years with the Vikes(meanwhile dicking around with management year after year) then you can start talking about how Packer fans should feel.

  62. jamesz23 says: Dec 10, 2009 2:33 PM

    How is BJ Raji a bust of a pick???- he’s looked pretty good the past few weeks, very good on Monday night. I think in a few years listing him on a list of busts is going to look extremely foolish. And Jordy Nelson shouldn’t have been taken ahead of Desean Jackson – but he’s a solid 3rd or 4th receiver on a team that uses a lot of multi-receiver sets. He sure tore up your Minnesota team for a long touchdown at the Metrodome can’t be too bad of a player considering that team is a ’1 of the greatest of all-time according to Vikings fans’.

  63. hardtolikedabears says: Dec 10, 2009 2:36 PM

    Some here think that Farve was booed b/c he his a Viking. Seriously? That he would not have been booed if he was on another team (outside of the north). Not so…..If the Jets would have played in Lambeau last year. They would have booed Farve. Don’t some realize this?
    Others here want to call Cheeseheads classless for booing? Seriously? With so much emotion flying for fans don’t you all see that a stadium boo is a natural reaction? Fans are fired up, so what its game day.
    Farve whined his way out of Green Bay? Seriously?
    The front office moved on when they achieved job security with contract extensions and the freedom to create their own identity as a young team. Some of your criticism of Farve sounds like the criticism of Cutler. That does not make sense to me.
    Farve is old (for football) and doesn’t want to deal with offseasons. So what? He isn’t the only one. But any person in football that is familiar with Farve knows that he will want to play every fall……probably forever.
    Fans get riled up, all of us. We are passionate, all of us. I read alot of that passion in this website, without alot of thought. That is ok, Florio allows us a great place to cheer and vent and be logical.
    I can’t help but cheer Farve!!!

  64. PervyHarvin says: Dec 10, 2009 2:37 PM

    Emoney says: The only fans who hate Green Bay is Minnesota, Chicago, and Detroit. And rightfully so. We’ve been kicking your asses for the past 15-20 years, with the exception of a few years in between when Chicago or Minnesota had a few good years.
    ===================================
    What are you guys like 8 or 10 games up on us in that time period?? LOL Find it how cowardly you you don’t include the years further back. Like you know 1968 to 1979. Packers beat the Vikings 4 times in that WHOLE TIME FRAME! Suck on that!

  65. juggernuts says: Dec 10, 2009 2:37 PM

    @FootballPhil
    Very good points you made here. It’s going to be fun reading the responses from vikes fans now. I’m sure they will all sound very intelligent.

  66. Supersuckers says: Dec 10, 2009 2:39 PM

    jamesz23,
    majik is a former packer “fan” that jumped onto the viking bandwagon when favre arrived. Gotta take that type of “fans” opinions with a truckload or two of salt.

  67. juggernuts says: Dec 10, 2009 2:50 PM

    Great article: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/kerry_byrne/12/10/packers/index.html?xid=si_topstories

  68. jamesz23 says: Dec 10, 2009 2:58 PM

    But you can’t win in January without strong play at quarterback. And Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers has been one of the most effective passers in the NFL all year. He’s third with 8.1 yards per pass attempt. He’s among the best in football with a 25-7 TD-INT ratio (one of his picks Monday night went off the hands of his own receiver) and he’s fourth in the NFL with a 103.3 passer rating — a better number than anything Brett Favre put up during his days at Lambeau.
    I’m wondering why the Karen comments have slowed down so much…..

  69. JJCheesehead says: Dec 10, 2009 3:04 PM

    I guess none of you heard Gruden say this past monday night that coming into his first year as Raiders head coach Al Davis told him they were going to draft Charles Woodson. I mean Gruden did say it on national tv. kind of difficult to miss.

  70. Emoney says: Dec 10, 2009 3:13 PM

    PervyHarvin says:
    December 10, 2009 2:37 PM
    What are you guys like 8 or 10 games up on us in that time period?? LOL Find it how cowardly you you don’t include the years further back. Like you know 1968 to 1979. Packers beat the Vikings 4 times in that WHOLE TIME FRAME! Suck on that!
    —————————
    And between 1968 and 1979, remind me how many super bowls you won? If you wanna look back THAT FAR, then I’ll just bring up how the Vikings were dominated by the Packers from 1961-1967. Before 1961, Minnesota residents were mostly Packer fans. If you don’t believe me, look up the history. Its a fact. The Packers have been to four super bowls and won three of them. Again, remind me how many Minnesota choked away. Suck on that jackass. And you wonder why nobody likes you Percy.
    What will be your next dumbass response? I know you can’t just shut up and walk away. You’re too stupid to realize when you sound like an idiot.

  71. bluestree says: Dec 10, 2009 3:15 PM

    Charles Woodson has been taking over games and locking up wins with picks, strips and recoveries since becoming a Packer. Darren Sharper is a good ball hawking safety, Revis is a great cover guy. Neither of these guys has been doing anything that compares to Woodson. He frequently steps out of the scheme to make plays. His instincts are uncanny, he is the consummate football player. Hijacking this thread and turning it into another Vikings/Farve/Packers rant fest is kind of stupid. Unless you’re Florio, in which case it’s MONEY.

  72. Majik Man says: Dec 10, 2009 3:43 PM

    Super, 8 of those guys aren’t on the team anymore, one has played in about 3 games in 3 years, and there is one player on that list that starts on that defense. He was a top 5 pick with what appears to be 3rd round talent. Had Thompson drafted him in round 5 instead of pick 5, nice job, but he was 5th overall.
    Raji a beast? 14 tackles and 1 sack through 10 games while missing 2 with an injury wreaks of bust, not beast.
    As for Wolf’s busts, that’s really not important here. You were bragging about Thompson’s greatness because he signed Woodson. I was merely proving the point that for every one good decision he makes, there are 15 bad ones.
    And yes, I will bash Nelson. In 28 games, he has just over 500 yards and 4 TDs to go along with his 3 fumbles and 3 drops this year alone. On top of that, they didn’t need to draft him, they were loaded at WR. And oh yeah, Desean Jackson was the obvious pick at WR.
    Now, as for you calling me son. Even if my mother had eaten one of your Big Macs with Super special sauce, she wouldn’t have gotten pregnant. That’s just not how it works.

  73. Supersuckers says: Dec 10, 2009 3:51 PM

    majik,
    Thompson (and Wolf’s) philosophy is to draft the best player on the board regardless of need. Thankfully. Now I know nothing (but you know less) but I for one am thankful Ted Thompson is running the show and not you.

  74. hizzle1281 says: Dec 10, 2009 4:08 PM

    @FootballPhil
    first off, im not a raider fan, second i meant “let go”sorry you upbeat crack monkey.
    tool

  75. Ruvell100 says: Dec 10, 2009 4:13 PM

    @Majik- First of all, Raji isn’t supposed to be a sack machine. His job is to take on blocks to free linebackers to make plays. Common knowledge of a 3-4 scheme, which you know nothing about since it doesn’t involve a gray-haired quarterback. But I did find something that pertains to you.
    Schedule and Priorities for the 2010 Packer Shareholders Meeting:
    1. How can we get Thompson to start drafting like the other 31 teams, who draft ONLY pro bowlers and immediate contributors?
    2. How can we get TT to dive headfirst into free agency so we can get studs like Chris Canty and Bernard Berrian for $8 Million a year instead of assholes like Woodson, Pickett, Bigby and Chillar at half of that?
    3. How can we get Majik Man to come back to being a Packer fan? We need his strong heart and mind and his ability to look deep into things, not just on the surface. We can’t sell out any games anymore and all our fans hate us since Majik Man went to PFT boards and professed his undying love of Brett.
    Oops, I’m wasting sarcasm and satire on you. You are a 38 year old man with a little boy’s mind. I would like to find one Viking or Packer fan who has any respect for you and your Favre cock-riding. Anyone?
    Anyone?

  76. Majik Man says: Dec 10, 2009 4:14 PM

    Super
    I’m going to get hypothetical and off topic here. If you claim to know nothing but I know even less than the nothing that you know, how do you know that I know less than the nothing that you know if you truly know nothing at all? Know what I mean, you motor boatin’ son of a bitch?

  77. Mattchew182 says: Dec 10, 2009 4:20 PM

    Ron Turnover should stop blowing the Packers players and giving them compliments and come up with a better gameplan for using Cutler. He is ruining a good player and needs to run more bootlegs to roll him away from the Packers pass rush. More passes to Forte in the redzone will cut down on the INTs at the worst time. Also stop running Forte straight up the middle and use a trap or counter for all the overpursuit he gets.
    As far as Favre and the Vikings they are a purely overrated team. They have won a lot of easy games this year but watch them get beat down by the Saints or Cardinals in the playoffs. Packers look good but they can blame themselves and Ted Thompson for Favre wanting to leave. He has a much better shot at a ring with the Vikings. I’m glad the Packers are so cheap cause it takes them out of the picture in the NFC. They might make a wildcard but they won’t do anything else till they spend money to fix that O Line and stop getting rid of players like Favre and Darren Sharper.
    And I know the Bears suck but if we get Cowher your all gonna be eating your words about Cutler next year. And don’t worry I’m not coming back here to read what you write so go nuts.

  78. jeff says: Dec 10, 2009 4:21 PM

    Vikes were favored in 1 of those 4 super bowls.
    Don’t really know how that equates to choking.
    None of that shit has anything to do with 09 anyway.
    You packer fans are a broken record.
    Vikings are better this year? Oh, yeah, how many super bowls have you won?
    Idiotic argument, but then consider the source.

  79. PurpleIsForGays says: Dec 10, 2009 4:29 PM

    @ footballrulz,
    That post made my day, HA!

  80. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 10, 2009 4:32 PM

    Majik Man says:
    December 10, 2009 3:43 PM
    Raji a beast? 14 tackles and 1 sack through 10 games while missing 2 with an injury wreaks of bust, not beast.
    ——————————
    Dipshit, 3-4 defensive linemen are not expected to make a lot of tackles or sacks. They are expected to hold up the line, protect their gaps and free up the linebackers to make plays.
    I think Clay Matthews is a hell of a player, but do you see him coming close to 7 sacks in 9 starts as an OLB in a 4-3 defense? Of course not. So don’t try to insinuate that the sack and tackle numbers of a backup NT should compare favorably with a 4-3 defensive end. It makes you look stupid.
    And Raji hasn’t even started a game yet. It’s too early to call him a beast, but it’s waaaay too early to call him a bust.

  81. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 10, 2009 5:12 PM

    PervyHarvin says:
    December 10, 2009 4:24 PM
    LMAO Douche,I forgot more ball than you know.
    —————————–
    Tell me again how Jared Allen is better than Reggie White. Tell us all the story about LeRoy Butler playing corner. Please, please, Grandpa Pervis! Tell us those stories that really prove your football knowledge!

  82. Pack83 says: Dec 10, 2009 5:12 PM

    I don’t care what the odds were, for any team t0 score 34 total points in 4 Super Bowl appearances, there’s some sort of choking involved. Not to mention 98 and 00…
    And for the Pack, guess who kept choking in the playoffs this decade: (6 picks in 01, dud against ATL in 02, the pop up against Phily in 03, the dud against Minne in 04 and 31 yards passing in the 2nd half including the WORST PASS IN TITLE GAME HISTORY in 07). Yeah, it’s Burt.
    Good luck with all that.

  83. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 10, 2009 5:16 PM

    You know what’s pathetic? Besides the regular douchebags on both sides of these unending arguments?
    9 of the 10 most commented posts on this site involve either the Vikings or the Packers. We all have too much time on our hands. And Flory-hole’s playing us like a violin.
    PFT most commented
    - Ray Rice apologizes to Green Bay
    - Vikings-Cardinals heads to Sunday night in Week 13
    - Vikings begin holding Peterson accountable for fumbles
    - Warner injures hip in big win over Vikings
    - Ray Rice doesn’t like Green Bay
    - Steelers fan says he was poisoned, blinded by Bears fans
    - Bench Adrian Peterson? PFTV makes the case
    - Week Ten Morning Aftermath: Packers 17, Cowboys 7
    - Peterson has a strong grip, and a lead foot
    - Revenue-sharing changes could force Vikings to L.A.

  84. PervyHarvin says: Dec 10, 2009 5:17 PM

    Q: How do you get Emoney to commit suicide?
    A: Put a knife in his hand and ask him “Who’s Special?”
    I hope you don’t live in a cave by yourself Emoney,for you are depriving some village of a good idiot .Anything more you want to talk about?

  85. buck_u_pack_haterz says: Dec 10, 2009 5:20 PM

    why is it that jon gruden, jaws, the bears d coordinator and a slew of other nfl analysts and coaches have said this guy is getting my vote for defensive mvp? well because he is(im not saying league mvp) The guy deserves it(there have been 3 total months of football played so far and he’s the defensive mvp for 2 out of 3 months) and to all the couch commentators who say revis is better why is that no one who gets paid to comment or coach nfl football says that? and for you queens fans that have to comment on every packers article: winfield is not even close to having the same talent or impact that woodson does….yes you have a better regular season record but: 1. you will NOT win the superbowl
    2. favre will be gone within two years(arod will be around for um about another 10+) so your back to t.jack and all his greatness 3. your owner is begging for a new stadium when the state has an all time deficit(i live in mn) and no way will there be a publicly financed stadium anytime soon. 4. you only root for your team when they win so how can you talk sh*t to GB fans when we have a 70,000+ season ticket waiting list 5. when your team has moved in 2011 don’t root for the packers because we have enough fan support already
    GO PACK GO

  86. Majik Man says: Dec 10, 2009 5:24 PM

    Adam and Ruvell
    Such sad, angry, pathetic, little children. Don’t bash Raji, it’s not his job to be productive, just really fat. He hasn’t even got a chance to start yet, leave him alone.
    That’s just it. Non QB top 10 picks are expected to come in and be impact players from the start. Every other top 10 pick is starting now, except for Smith, who broke his foot. Raji was drafted to step right in, but he hasn’t proven capable yet. He may turn it around, but I don’t think he’s got it.
    And Adam, I’m not on here to make friends, unlike you, I have real friends in the real world, and could care less if you respect me. I post on here to talk a little jive, stir the pot a bit, and occupy some of my down time while working. I think most people understand this, even Supersuckers, but you really seam to take this personally. Get a grip, sport, time to grow up.

  87. Majik Man says: Dec 10, 2009 5:26 PM

    Sorry Adam, that last jab was at Ruvell, not you. You 2 are pretty much interchangeable with your anger and lame posts, an easy mistake by myself.

  88. Majik Man says: Dec 10, 2009 5:40 PM

    Here’s an even better read juggernuts…
    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10325372/It%27s-the-Truth:-Favre%27s-proving-Thompson-wrong

  89. juggernuts says: Dec 10, 2009 5:52 PM

    Adam and Majik,
    Just wanted to clarify that I said “after the last couple of games that Raji is going to be a beast”. I also think it’s too early to say that he is now.
    By the way Majik, 6 of those tackles and the sack have came in the last 4 games. My opinion is that he will turn into one really good NT. Oh yeah and just to prove everyone’s point that NT’s in the 3-4 don’t have huge stats. Pickett only has 21 tackles this year and no sacks, but he is one of the main reasons that RB’s are averaging less than 100 yards against Green Bay.
    Again Majik, you’re an idiot

  90. PervyHarvin says: Dec 10, 2009 5:55 PM

    Shitty Apple crisp- Man,you know that Reggie talk was my win. Allen 09 vs. Reggie 96. Stats talk,bs walks! Allen is doing better,just don’t have the ring White ended up with yet. Don’t know about Grandpa but do you have any easy sista’s?

  91. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 10, 2009 6:13 PM

    Majik Man says:
    December 10, 2009 5:26 PM
    Sorry Adam, that last jab was at Ruvell, not you. You 2 are pretty much interchangeable with your anger and lame posts, an easy mistake by myself.
    ——————————
    Don’t worry, it’s understandable.. That you’d make another mistake.

  92. Ruvell100 says: Dec 10, 2009 6:21 PM

    Christ, Majik, what do you think I’m on here for? Between meetings and phone time, I need something to occupy my time too!
    I like arguing and stirring the pot, dog. I’d have this argument over a few beers anytime and have many times, don’t take shit so personally.
    Even Pervy, Sensitive Jeff and the rest of the Vikes fans know the deal.

  93. Majik Man says: Dec 10, 2009 6:31 PM

    # juggernuts says: December 10, 2009 5:52 PM
    By the way Majik, 6 of those tackles and the sack have came in the last 4 games
    _______________
    Holy cats, 6 tackles in 4 games. That’s 1.5 per game. If he can keep up that pace, he’d end up with 24 tackles in a year. What a monster.

  94. comment_submission_error says: Dec 10, 2009 7:49 PM

    # AlphaBean says:
    Remember how Woodson was washed up when he went to the Packers?
    Remember how Randy Moss was washed up when he went to the Pats?
    You might remember that, but non-idiots would argue with you. Woodson and Moss just wanted out of Oakland. Nobody that watches football and understands what they see thought those two were washed up.

  95. Favre On HGH says: Dec 10, 2009 10:22 PM

    On Sunday things should get even better for Woodson because he gets his second chance to do what NFL cornerbacks have loved doing this season: Play against Jay Cutler.
    —————–
    Cutler is actually pretty solid at home. Recent home games he has been shaky, but not a turn over machine like he is on the road.
    Sounds like Turner is already putting sound clips out to take Gruden’s spot.

  96. Supersuckers says: Dec 11, 2009 10:08 AM

    Majik,
    to answer your last question posed to me the answer would be you know less then nothing. Meaning you are one of those people that knows nothing then speaks as if they do. I have accepted and realize the fact that if I really knew anything about what really goes on every day in the office of a NFL team I would be there. You, like many others, have not realized that and thats what the differeance is. We all know jack shit but talk like we know. We know nothing (some less then others)

  97. Majik Man says: Dec 11, 2009 10:39 AM

    Super
    How is there degrees of nothing? It’s my understanding that nothing is definite zero, so to have or to know less “than” (not then, surprising that someone with knowledge superior to mine would mix these 2 words up constantly) nothing would seem to be impossible. And if you truly know nothing, then how do you really know that nobody else knows anything? For someone who knows nothing, you sure claim to know quite a bit.

  98. PervyHarvin says: Dec 11, 2009 10:54 AM

    “As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.”
    -Socrates Supersuckers
    “The only thing that we know is that we know nothing and that is the highest flight of human wisdom.”
    -Supersucker Tolstoy
    To know, is to know that you know nothing. That is the meaning of true knowledge.”
    -Confucius Supersuckers

  99. jeff says: Dec 11, 2009 11:05 AM

    Majik:
    That is just super protecting his answers.
    This way, no one can ever prove him wrong, because he claims to be a “know nothing”.
    In reality, he thinks he knows more than the rest of us. I know the guy personally. You won’t ever win a debate with him….ever.

  100. Supersuckers says: Dec 11, 2009 11:13 AM

    Because for one if you did you wouldn’t be on here you would be in the NFL or a analyst. Secondly your takes are proposterous. A sentiment that is shared by fellow know nothings (as am I) we all have a general basic knowledge of the game from watching a elevated 10 second delayed arial view on Sundays. Or from a bleacher seat. But to truly know thegame you have to be on the inside. We are not. We are the know nothings. Now from the basic (very basic) knowledge that we do get some form opinions that are so ridiculously impossible (such as yours) because they are based off the 3 hours of a 70-90 hour work week a NFL staff works during the week. You make claims that Thompson cares about satisfying his ego more then he does about winning. To anybody that is a ridiculous statement for you to make. You have no clue about the man or the job he holds. You quit being a Packer fan because a player was traded. This is the worst type of football fan. You call people names and you say because packer fans are packer fans and have trust in the management hired to produce a winner that they have a “man crush” on Thompson. To the average person that is obsurd. If anything you following around Brett Favre (whom you never met) is a bit stalkerish and “man crushesque” When I say we know nothing in the grand scheme of the NFL we really all know so little it is essentially nothing. Watching games is common sense. Using hindsight is foolish because we cannot see the future or go back in time. “I” before “E” does not seem to apply to most on this website. You being one of them.

  101. Majik Man says: Dec 11, 2009 11:49 AM

    Super
    How are you so confident that I’m wrong about Thompson’s ego? It’s your opinion that Ted cares more about winning than his ego, but, in your words, you know nothing, so your belief has as good a chance to be wrong as mine.
    I never said that all Packer fans have a mancrush on Ted, just you and Adam. The reason for it is the blind, never questioning support of a man who is, in my and many others’ opinion, a failure. I didn’t stop being a Pack fan because they traded Favre, I stopped because I can’t stand to root for a team who doesn’t make winning the top priority. It’s not about a deep love for Favre, it’s about principles. Favre gave the Packers the best chance to win, so he should have been on the field. Thompson wanted him gone, even tried to bribe him and hired Ari Fleischer to keep him away. Pathetic.
    And who are you to say I’ve never met Brett Favre? You don’t know me, never met me and have no clue of my history. You see, Superassumer, I have met Brett, even briefly spoken with him. But like I said, it’s not a mancrush, it’s an admiration of his accomplishments and integrity, everyone knows what Favre has achieved. The question is, why the deep love and admiration for Thompson from you? He has achieved nothing but mediocrity, yet you adore him.

  102. Supersuckers says: Dec 11, 2009 11:51 AM

    “The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.”
    - Socrates
    The quicker we all realize this the better off we all would be.

  103. Supersuckers says: Dec 11, 2009 11:52 AM

    Pervy you beat me to it! But definite words to live by. “i” before “e”

  104. Supersuckers says: Dec 11, 2009 11:55 AM

    Jeff,
    yes i knew Kobe would make that shot. Among others.

  105. Supersuckers says: Dec 11, 2009 11:58 AM

    And jeff if you really knew me you would know that I dont think I know more then anyone abot anything. Except maybe my work. Except for Kobe’s shot :)

  106. Supersuckers says: Dec 11, 2009 12:04 PM

    majik/beer cheese,
    Priority isn’t winning??? Ok. I’m bored with you. Anyone that says that is not worth getting into a conversation with. Way different intellect levels. I had fun frustrating you. In the future you will be ignored with your traitor banter and clueless takes. You were called a idiot several times yesterday (not by me if I were to say somethign like that I would call you a football idiot) so I think I may be the only one left even reading what you type. I am embarrased for myself for that.

  107. Majik Man says: Dec 11, 2009 3:25 PM

    Supersuckers/ Bob Nelson
    I’m just saying, for someone who says he knows nothing, you sure claim to know quite a bit about just about everything and always seem to think you’re right and everyone disagreeing with you is wrong. I may have been called an idiot a couple of times by blind faith Packer fans who still think Green Bay is better than Minnesota even after 2 losses to them, but how many names have you been called on here? I’ve seen Viking and Packer fans alike call you out on your ignorance. Heck, even your buddy jeff thinks you’re a trash spewing windbag.
    And I see you have replied to one of my posts on another thread, about an hour after declaring you were done reading my posts. Just another lie amongst your constant stream of BS.
    And yes, Super, if Thompson’s ultimate, number 1 priority was to WIN, he would have welcomed Favre back with open arms. He didn’t, because he didn’t want to put up with Favre’s antics, or cater to Favre, or whatever you call it. But if winning was number one, he would have swallowed his pride and let him back. He didn’t because his ego got in the way.

  108. jeff says: Dec 11, 2009 3:33 PM

    Kobe the rapist…..raped me with that shot!

  109. Supersuckers says: Dec 11, 2009 4:08 PM

    Majik,
    I say i know nothing every post. Here it is again…Majik man/Beer Cheese….I admit that I know nothing. Clear enough for you?

  110. Majik Man says: Dec 11, 2009 4:59 PM

    Super,
    You may say you know nothing, but you come right back and proceed to act like you know everything. You only use the “know nothing” routine as a preemptive strike to cover up your unavoidably incorrect proclamations. Even your pal jeff knows this to be true.

  111. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Dec 11, 2009 5:19 PM

    PervyHarvin says:
    December 10, 2009 5:55 PM
    Shitty Apple crisp- Man,you know that Reggie talk was my win. Allen 09 vs. Reggie 96. Stats talk,bs walks! Allen is doing better,just don’t have the ring White ended up with yet. Don’t know about Grandpa but do you have any easy sista’s?
    ——————————
    No, it was not your win. It’s an example of how wrong you were/are. Period.

  112. Supersuckers says: Dec 11, 2009 5:19 PM

    We all know nothing Majik. See my previous posts 70-90 hour work week we see 3 hours. How could we know a thing really?

  113. Majik Man says: Dec 11, 2009 6:04 PM

    Such a cop-out, no surprise really. You come on here, act like you know everything, get half of it wrong, then justify your errors by saying “nobody knows nothing.” Incredibly lame, I think we’re done here. Not responding on this thread anymore, you’ve become quite the waste of time. And unlike you, when I say something, I actually mean it, so your “witty” reply will fall on deaf ears.

  114. PervyHarvin says: Dec 11, 2009 6:16 PM

    What are you smoking Adam??
    96 White: 16 games,8.5 sacks,1 int. ,3 ForcedFumbles,2 fumbles,3 Fumble rec. ,0td’s,30 tackles and 9 ass.
    09Allen: 12 games SOFAR, 12.5 sacks,1 int. ,3 forced fum. ,2 fumble rec. ,1 td, 32 tackles and 7 ass.
    You can’t win this one Adam!

  115. rudedog36 says: Dec 11, 2009 10:22 PM

    baby boy pervy – the fact that your compairing Reggie to the geico cave man, proves your as big of an idiot as we all think. When he gets anywhere close to 198 sacks give us a call.

  116. packers4life says: Dec 12, 2009 12:32 AM

    “Shouldn’t you all be out ice fishing or cleaning the barn or is it date night with your sisters ?”
    Another reason to why people hate Viking fans. They come up with crap like this. I mean, seriously?

  117. packers4life says: Dec 12, 2009 12:40 AM

    “Super
    You’re right, Ted is the best GM ever.
    Signed,
    Marquand Manuel
    Justin Harrel
    AJ Hawk
    Duke Preston
    Terrence Murphy
    Abdul Hodge
    Brandon Jackson
    Aaron Rouse
    Allen Barbre
    (special thank you for not trading the draft pick used on me to trade for Randy Moss)
    Jordy Nelson
    Brian Brohm
    Patrick Lee
    BJ Raji
    Anthony Smith
    Vernand Morency
    And a very big thanks from Aaron Kampman, for forcing me to play out of position during my contract year, causing me to lose millions after my years of loyalty to Green Bay.”
    Are you a frickin’ moron? First off A.J. Hawk is not a bust. Terrence Murphy suffered a career ending neck injury. Aaron Rouse was not a bad safety. Abdul Hodge had numerous knee injuries. Jordy Nelson is a good WR. B.J. Raji is a excellent run stuffer. Anthony Smith could of been a good free agent signing had we kept him.
    and let’s go thru the rest of the list of Thompson’s free agents/draft picks, shall we?
    Aaron Rodgers-1st round
    Ryan Grant-trade
    Greg Jennings-2nd round
    James Jones-3rd round
    Josh Sitton-4th round
    Donald Lee-free agent
    Jermichael Finley-3rd round
    Johnny Jolly-6th round
    Ryan Pickett-free agent
    Brady Poppinga-4th round
    Clay Matthews-1st round
    Brad Jones-7th round
    Charles Woodson-free agent
    Tramon Williams-undrafted free agent
    Nick Collins-2nd round
    Atari Bigby-undrafted free agent
    Mason Crosby-6th round
    You can keep on saying crap about Thompson like that Majik Man but you will keep on losing, kind of like the Vikings will do once Lord Favre retires, whenever that will be.

  118. packers4life says: Dec 12, 2009 12:43 AM

    “Like you know 1968 to 1979. Packers beat the Vikings 4 times in that WHOLE TIME FRAME! Suck on that!”
    Wow. It is funny how Viking ‘fans’ say that Packer fans need to stop living in the past but what does this Viking ‘fan’ do? Brings up the ’60′s and ’70s.
    Once again Viking ‘fans’ live up to their hyprocrisy. Why am I not surprised?

  119. packers4life says: Dec 12, 2009 12:49 AM

    “09Allen: 12 games SOFAR, 12.5 sacks,1 int. ,3 forced fum. ,2 fumble rec. ,1 td, 32 tackles and 7 ass. ”
    Bullshit. Allen is vastly overrated this year. Take away those two Packer games and he has just 5 sacks in 10 other games this season. That doesn’t sound dominate, does it now?

  120. packers4life says: Dec 12, 2009 12:56 AM

    “He didn’t because his ego got in the way”
    What he did was for the team, moron. Get a clue. and while your at it, get some more brain cells. You have just as many as the Super Bowl trophies in the Vikings’ glass case which is 0.

  121. PervyHarvin says: Dec 12, 2009 11:16 AM

    rudedog36 says:
    December 11, 2009 10:22 PM
    baby boy pervy – the fact that your compairing Reggie to the geico cave man, proves your as big of an idiot as we all think. When he gets anywhere close to 198 sacks give us a call.
    ===================================
    Don’t jump into things you don’t understand tool. We were comparing season vs season not career. ..idiot as we all think??? What,you all being the combined 5 brain cells that exist from Green Bay fans?? You guys are soft,thank God there is other fans to interact with besides you idiots!

  122. Beer Cheese Soup says: Dec 12, 2009 1:40 PM

    Majik, you forgot Jarrett Bush. What kind of Tedhater forgets Jarrett Bush? Also, Raji’s not a bust. He’s been great when he HAS played, he’s just not the pure NT like Pickett, and he’s too fat to play DE.

  123. packers4life says: Dec 12, 2009 8:38 PM

    “Majik, you forgot Jarrett Bush. What kind of Tedhater forgets Jarrett Bush?”
    I admit I don’t mind Thompson but him keeping Bush was an awful move. Even Ahmad Carroll could cover better than him and Carroll was torched throughout his career.

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