Comments on: Chris Henry passes away

By: zmcdonald

zmcdonald — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:03:04 +0000

Slim we missed you last week in the playoffs! Carson and the Cardiac Cats needed you. RIP we think of you daily.

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:12:17 +0000

C’mon guys……..let’s keep this the #1 most commented story on PFT……..keep up the good work.

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:17:25 +0000

boon….please, do tell!……..how exactly do I go about getting more “vagina”……LOL
….you seem to be well in the know, can you please show me the ropes????

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:09:21 +0000

just to be clear, because the Rooney Rule is private and not govt related, there might be a quota and you (or anyone) aren’t aware of what it might be………..

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:44:36 +0000

To: This class sucks……let the education continue.
1)This isn’t a conversation with my friends, this is a message board, and you aren’t my friend. Please don’t tell me you need me to define that for you.
2)I am glad you at least stated that you think “affirmative action must include a quota system”…but you would be wrong. That may a characteristic of some types of affirmative action. and just because the NFL doesn’t have (or MAY not have) a specific “quota’ in mind, it is fairly obvious that in a general sense, the quota is “get more minorities, most likely black, into the coaching and admin ranks of the NFL. That my nieve friend IS a quota. Just because they don’t say 5 or 10 doesn’t mean it isn’t.
3) The answer to your question is NO…unless the preferential treatment is because of a specific skill obtained from that service. But, a skill is vastly different from race…….skills you can obtain, race is what it is!

By: this class sucks

this class sucks — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:39:26 +0000

@golongboy
I bet your friends just love to have someone around that not only knows everything, but doesn’t mind the burden of telling everyone everything they know.
@Boon
You made me lol. Don’t mess with Deb though. She isn’t one to talk trash to.
@Deb
I see your point (well points) and you are right on most cases. How ever I still believe that true affirmative action must include a quota system, where as the Rooney Rule does not. That is an opinion though.
My last question for everyone here is this: Do you think people should be rewarded jobs preferentially because of military service? I’m sure Deb knows exactly where I am going with this. Golongboy you will just have to figure it out.

By: Boon

Boon — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:43:35 +0000

golongboyee,
I’ve noticed that you are someone that believes that they know everything ( a know-it-all ). Now I know for a fact that that makes you someone that is unwelcome at social gatherings, which probably leaves you pretty lonely.
Now I’ve noticed that you spend the majority of your day on the computer ( scroll up and see just how often you have been on here ). This can create problems in the area of getting vagina.
I suggest you find a woman that’s willing to listen to you go on and on about how much more intelligent you are than the entire world ( Deb seems nice, but I think your egos will clash ).
Now, you apparently have a decent amount of cash. But you don’t want a hot girl, they will use you for your money, and have no interest in how many nobel prizes you have won.
I suggest BBWpersonals for you. They will listen to your stories about “How you were too smart to play football in high school and college”. Not to mention it will just be a better match ( fat people just look better together than with a skinny partner, agreed? ).

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:54:16 +0000

Boon,
If you weren’t so thoroughly ignorant and devoid of any intellect whatsoever, you might realize you just (in a very infantile way) helped prove my points.
I agree with your running back comment but unfortunately, most people think this is a racist comment.
Your second point is beyond moronic (no surprises here) The ability to skate is not a genetic trait you baffoon! Now if you can define “genetic” (or spell it for that matter, I’ll even spot you the “g” and the “netic” ) I would be impressed…………LOL!!!!

By: Boon

Boon — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:36:20 +0000

golongboyee just sucked Debs dick…How does it feel to be the man Deb?
There are no white running backs in the league, because white people don’t posess the same speed, for the most part, as black people ( that’s not being racist, that’s being realistic ).
Black people don’t play hockey, for the most part, because they don’t posess the same ability on skates as they do on their feet.

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:51:30 +0000

bian8….thanks, coming from a know-nothing loser like yourself, that is a compliment.

By: bian8

bian8 — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 23:54:58 +0000

Hahaha golongboyees stupidity has reached a new low on this thread

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:47:28 +0000

yeah, not a surprise. People who have weak and nonsensical opinions typically don’t stick around to defend it because they know they cannot…….his loss, not ours.
Anyway, nice talking to you.

By: Deb

Deb — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:17:00 +0000

I think “this class sucks” said he was walking out on you a while back Formal education is a blessing; I’m thankful for mine. But the wisest and smartest people I’ve ever known didn’t have college degrees–some didn’t even finish high school. And some of the biggest dimwits I’ve met had advanced degrees. So I never got too caught up in the college thing even when I was there. You’re right–a diploma is no substitute for brains
Well, like I was saying before we were interrupted, I feel like I’ve stayed too long at a funeral, so it’s about time to exit this Henry thread. I’m glad we discovered we could have a civil conversation … even on something as volatile as race issues. I still see pros and cons to the Rooney Rule. But it’s tough to solve complex issues on a blog
See you around PFT Planet …

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:35:45 +0000

i guess the “genius” has left the discussion. Some people just don’t seem to realize that being a student doesn’t make one smart, it make one scholarly, not necessarily smart.

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:33:57 +0000

I agree Deb………if we want to get rid of racism, we need to get rid of organizations such as the NAACP. If I organized an association called the NAAWP (for white people). I would be called a huge racist. Unfortuntely, may of these individuals that want these organizations to remain “want their cake and want to eat it too” You cannot have it both ways. Saying things like the Rooney Rule ISN’T racist yet flatly saying more monority coaches are needed is ridiculous. More GOOD coaches are needed, if they are purple, so be it.
I agree Tomlin would have been a coach with or without the Rooney Rule. If Buffalo or Wash or Oakland found a great minority coach, wouldn’t they hire them???

By: Deb

Deb — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 00:16:05 +0000

No, I’m not a professor–thanks Hey, you’re the one who keeps giving me new things to think about … like whether it’s inherently racist to say “we need more minorities.” You’re right–if someone said, “There aren’t enough white running backs. We need to promote more diversity at the running back position,” that would create problems. But no one would say it because we take for granted that those kids simply haven’t had the desire or skill to rise to the pro level.
Wish I were one of those people who just take position and can’t see any other possibility. Would make my life easier. But I always see the layers … so I wind up annoying everyone

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:36:49 +0000

Deb, just curious, are you a professor??????

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:33:34 +0000

one other thing, it is extremely humorous to even mention the fact that there are more “minorities” needed in sports, in any capacity………given that in most of the sports, minories rule anyway.
How would anyone feel if I came out and said there needed to be more WHITE running backs in the league and they aren’t getting a fair shot just because they are white????
Also, a good comparison would be to hockey. One could ask why there aren’t more blacks playing the sport. Is it because they haven’t gotten the opportunity?????or is it because social/cultural and possibly economic situations have made it so????I can assure you there are NO owners that are forcing out blacks especially if they are breakout players.

By: Deb

Deb — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:06:25 +0000

Forgot to check this thread for a while, but obviously you two have carried on without me.
this class sucks, like I said before: You guys are debating the fundamentals of affirmative action, and won’t solve those issues here. Since you wrote a term paper on the subject, I don’t understand how you’ve missed the similarities. The only difference is that the Rooney Rule is voluntary rather than government-mandated. But it’s still a type of affirmative action, and golongboyee’s arguments have merit. Offering those arguments doesn’t automatically make him racist. Although it’s rare, some minority leaders have made the same arguments about affirmative action, and they’re not racist. Like most issues, this one has many complex layers.
golongboyee … can’t you call him a dumbass without “disgusting piece of garbage”?
this class sucks … “you are old” is a poor comeback. I’ve met a lot of college students who get into abstract discussions about whether or not America should have dropped the bomb in WWII. But none of their theories have meant as much as the time I spent with one of the few Iwo Jima vets to get out alive. I don’t know how old golongboyee is, but you should always be willing to listen to the voice of experience even if you don’t like what it says.
golongboyee isn’t arguing that minorities don’t belong in power positions. He’s arguing that if they have the talent and skills necessary for those positions, the owners–who want to succeed–will find them and hire them without the help of arbitrary rules. His theory is that cream rises naturally–and it’s not unreasonable. Look at Ozzie Newsome. Your theory is that people might need help seeing the talent right in front of them. And based on the zero movement toward integrating the college head coaching ranks, your theory obviously has merit as well.
Like golongboyee, I believe cream rises–eventually. But I can’t believe the reason there are no black head coaches in college ball is because there aren’t any blacks who are qualified. It does seem to be a good ol’ boys fraternity, so maybe extra pressure should be applied.
golongboyee, you know Gilliam and Williams didn’t just get crap because they were bad QBs. Gilliam started out with a lot of promise. Williams, not so much–but he certainly finished his career with flourish. It was tough for them breaking into the QB ranks as black players.
As for the coaches, I disagree on Dungy. He’s a sorry commentator, but he was a terrific defensive coach. He built a powerhouse D in Tampa. Marv’s been hampered a lot by injuries in Cincy, but I think we’re finally seeing his plan come together.
I’m a Tomlin believer. Will always love Cowher, but people tend to overrate guys after they leave. It took a lot of years for him to get that trophy, and he mentally checked out the next season. Whis is doing great in AZ, but he made mistakes as Pittsburgh’s OC. I think the Rooneys chose well with Tomlin. A lot of little things have won me over, but I think credit for the Super Bowl win goes to him. He’s made mistakes this year, but he’s a young coach and Cowher made plenty, too. Let’s see how he handles adversity. But I have a good feeling, and I guarantee the Rooneys didn’t hire him for his skin color. They’ve been too smart about picking coaches over the last three decades to make an arbitrary decision now.

By: Pervy_Harvin

Pervy_Harvin — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:13:29 +0000

The days of the special little side door for the minority candidates should be over. Let everybody walk through the front door, finally. The best future general managers are out there. By now, you shouldn’t need a special rule to find them.
golongboyee- Damn boy! You are almost half as smart as I am! I’m impressed!

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:14:40 +0000

….and you are right, I refuse to give up my position, especially given your immature and nieve commentary. Trust me, I have heard much better arguements for the Rooney Rule than you have offered. Yours is by far the weakest and wouldn’t change anyone’s mind.
Again, because someone doesn’t go……”Oh, you are right, I am going to switch my viewpoint”……doesn’t mean someone is closed-minded.
Again, you sound like you are maybe 20ish? It is YOU that is close-minded. Anyone with such a weak arguement for something hasn’t really thought it through.

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:57:29 +0000

Lovie Smith: Went to a Super Bowl (so what?)
Raheem Morris (I know those black names can be hard to spell): awful. (and with you facts can be hard to comprehend.)
Tomlin: won a Super Bowl his second year of being a coach, and could easily finish another year with a winning record. (question is, is he riding on Cowhers coat-tails)
Singletary: probably finish 8-8 giving him a 14-13 overall record so hard to say.(???)
Caldwell: has his team at 14-1 so far so you can’t say he is bad. (does nothing for the Colts, he is 14-1 ‘casue of Peyton Manning, yes he is white, live with it)
Marvin Lewis: went to the playoffs a couple times, had more injuries than any other coach can’t say he is bad or good really. (has clearly under-achieved)

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:54:08 +0000

..and it might help if you can actually read……I never said Tomlin wasn’t a good coach……i said the jury is still out. You might want to be as clear with MY facts as you seem toTHINK you are with yours!

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:52:30 +0000

1)”You clearly have some preconceived notions about minorities, which is the meaning of racism.” Sorry again you are a total fool. First of all, that is NOT the meaning of racism. Secondly, please give facts to back this up. What are my preconceived notions?
2)”I don’t like affirmative action” Bullshit………you like the Rooney Rule but you don’t like affirmative action. You are clearly confused and clueless.
3) You ARE a student as Deb so clearly pointed out. And, you are like many students who because they are in the academic world think they know everything. Let me make something clear to you. YOU KNOW NOTHING. You are too young and immature to be stating things which one who knows the world would not. For your sake, I would print these comments of your s out and store them for about 15 years. At that time, take a look and hopefully you can see how far you have come because right now, you are simply a know-it-all student who hasn’t the life experience to know much about anything, sorry.
4)”You are saying that its ok for white coaches to come in and fail but black coaches don’t deserve that right. ” I am not saying this at all. The coaches you mentioned got jobs based on their own merits whether or not they were any good or not isn’t the point. The point is, the one doing the hiring shouldn’t be forced to look at someone based on anything but supposed skills and experience. If they mess up, they do so on their OWN and not based on some arm twisting by some stupid rule that serves no true purpose.
5) “I don’t think you are an idiot, just not open to new ideas or anyone else’s way of thinking.” Let me perfectly clear here…..just because someone disagrees with you dosn’t mean they are not open to new ideas. Bottom line is, my position is thoroughly thought through, yours is not, sorry.
6)”The great thing is, whether I am right or not, which we will never know, the Rooney is here to stay.” Not necessarily……again, an ignorant supposition on your part.
7)”So while my frustration ends at the end of this thread yours will continue every time a minority coach is hired, and every time you see a minority in a place of success. ” Again, a truly ignorant comment on your part. Again, just becasue someone disagrees with you doesn’t make them against minority coaches………you truly are ignorant.
8) Bill Bellichick and Andy Reid are by far better coaches than any you have mentioned. And i am sure the fact that they are both white and have succeeded and the fact that I brought these two up makes all three racists……..LOL
9) Bottom line, you are a snot-nosed know-nothing who thinks he knows what is right for the world when he hasn’t even had the chance to live in it……sorry, that is the case. You will get a clue someday.

By: this class sucks

this class sucks — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:02:44 +0000

@golongboy
You clearly have some preconceived notions about minorities, which is the meaning of racism. Well since I can’t get through to you any other way I will just make fun of you. You sir are old. The world you grew up in is gone and you don’t like change. You are terrified of what you don’t understand that you will stick up for any stubborn thoughts you probably formed while still living at home with your parents. You are like the “teabaggers” who yell things like “I want my country back.” I am sure you are not the only person that misses having a white president and only had to see white people, and only had to work with white people, but you are all the same at heart terrified. Why you seem to dislike minority people is beyond me maybe your boss is a minority and you are convinced he got the job because he was a minority. Or maybe your wife left you for a minority who knows. The only thing I do know is that you clearly aren’t interested in considering anyone else’s view point as possibly being right. I can do that. I honestly thought long and hard about the Rooney Rule and what it is, and if its good. I don’t like affirmative action. In my english class last year I wrote a paper denouncing it calling it reverse racism and the path to an unfair community. But when I think about the Rooney rule I keep coming to the same conclusion: No one is forced to hire someone. So by denouncing the Rooney Rule by saying that all the black coaches are bad ones you are saying that black coaches don’t deserve the same chance to fail. White coaches who don’t deserve jobs get them all the time. Jim Mora jr, Wade Phillips, Josh McDaniels, Jim Zorn I could go on and on. You are saying that its ok for white coaches to come in and fail but black coaches don’t deserve that right.
I am sorry I called you an idiot. I was frustrated because I can’t get through to you. I don’t think you are an idiot, just not open to new ideas or anyone else’s way of thinking. Which in a way is much worse. You can reply to this if you want, but I am not checking the thread anymore because like I said there is clearly no point. You have your mind made up and refuse to change it or even consider the possibility that you are incorrect. One thing you are incorrect on is my race. I am white. You aren’t even good at being racist, you just make wild assumptions based on view points and attitudes. The great thing is, whether I am right or not, which we will never know, the Rooney is here to stay. It is constantly being expanded and will soon be in college as well. So while my frustration ends at the end of this thread yours will continue every time a minority coach is hired, and every time you see a minority in a place of success.
In closing I will adress the black coaches:
Lovie Smith: Went to a Super Bowl
Raheem Morris (I know those black names can be hard to spell): awful
Tomlin: won a Super Bowl his second year of being a coach, and could easily finish another year with a winning record.
Singletary: probably finish 8-8 giving him a 14-13 overall record so hard to say.
Caldwell: has his team at 14-1 so far so you can’t say he is bad.
Marvin Lewis: went to the playoffs a couple times, had more injuries than any other coach can’t say he is bad or good really.
My question to you is who do you think is a good coach if you think Smith and Tomlin aren’t?

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:09:43 +0000

Thanks for calling me an idiot. Coming from someone as incompetant as you, that is a compliment.
The bottom line is YOU are a racist. Anyone that supports programs targeted for a particular race is that by definition.
..and yes, I have my “comebacks” planned because my ideas are well-thought out (unlike yours)
and you quote is hilarious “it appears you are trying to make the argument that black people can’t be good coaches.” Of course you think this rather than have any substantiation to your agruements. You are the exact type of person I see everyday. Being a consultant for Fortune 500 companies, I see dozens upon dozens of “minorities” who work for these companies that the company would love to fire but cannot. These people waste the companies money, provide no benefit and EXPECT to be rewarded because of their external characteristcs. They are pathetic and so are you.
…and the only individuals you might be capable of teaching anything are those still in diapers.
You are a dumbass, disgusting, piece of garbage who expects something for nothing……and it is obvious by your moronic comments that you are a minority.

By: this class sucks

this class sucks — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:49:02 +0000

@golongboy
Ok I clear handicap in this argument so I am done with you. While I read what you and others say, take it into consideration, than make an argument, you are probably planning your comeback as you read what I say so there is no point. Plus, by listing black coaches and saying how terrible they are it appears you are trying to make the argument that black people can’t be good coaches. You sir are an idiot.
@Deb
Touche. I could be a teacher though lol

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:40:34 +0000

“If you are foolish enough to try and make this about affirmative action than any argument is lost on you any way because this is not affirmative action. If you need the difference explained to you than we are done here. ”
Class sucks………how is the Rooney Rule diferent from affirmative action????please cite examples!

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:38:05 +0000

“…..the troubles Joe Gilliam and Doug Williams faced”
These guys faced troubles because they weren’t very good QBs……….

By: golongboyee

golongboyee — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:55:39 +0000

Also, if “this class sucks” was so smart, he would realize that the Rooney Rule was created only as a PR move in the first place. If it has ANY positive effect, so be it but that is not the primary reason it was created.