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Rooney Rule should exclude internal minority candidates

Though some (i.e., us) continue to be troubled by the appearance that Vinny Cerrato was abruptly swapped out for Bruce Allen as part of a premeditated front-office makeover that will be followed by the premeditated hiring of Mike Shanahan as the next head coach, the powers-that-be believe that the Redskins met the requirements of the Rooney Rule.

We’re very satisfied,” John Wooten, chairman of the Fritz Pollard
Alliance, told Mark Maske of the Washington Post.  “They fulfilled it over 10
days ago.”

Commissioner Roger Goodell said during a live chat at NFL.com that the Redskins complied with the rule that requires at least one minority candidate to be interviewed for General Manager positions.

Still, no one will say who was interviewed. 

A league source tells us that at least one of the candidates currently works for the Redskins, and that the candidate didn’t believe it was a sham interview.  But if Allen was hired as part of a premeditated effort to bring in Shanahan, it necessarily was a sham interview.

Besides, at a time when Cerrato is quitting because the current front office isn’t getting it done, it’s ridiculous to think that owner Daniel Snyder would have rewarded sustained mediocrity by giving one of Cerrato’s lieutenants a bump up.

The goal of the Rooney Rule, as we understand it, is to ensure an inclusive hiring process.  The notion that the rule can be fulfilled by duping an in-house minority candidate into thinking that he has a legitimate shot at the job doesn’t constitute an inclusive hiring process, in our view.

So we propose a new twist to the Rooney Rule.  We believe that the rule should be changed to require at least one minority candidate from outside the organization to be interviewed.  Frankly, it’s just too easy (in most cases) to persuade a person already on the payroll to “take one for the team,” especially if the wink-nod-cough-fart request to interview comes with the wink-nod-cough-fart implication that loyalty in this regard will be rewarded.

An outsider to the organization will have no reason to interview other
than to try to get the job, and thereafter will have no incentive to
claim that it was a legitimate interview process if the candidate
doesn’t truly believe that it was.

In this case, we recognize that it’s possible an external candidate was interviewed.  But there’s no way of knowing that because it all happened quickly — and in the wake of the abrupt change no one is talking.  So the Rooney Rule also should impose a minimum time period for which the job must be vacant, in order to give qualified candidates of every race, color, creed, and national origin an opportunity to apply for the position.

After all, it’s hard to know to apply for a position when the qualified candidates don’t even realize the position is vacant.
 

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102 Responses to “Rooney Rule should exclude internal minority candidates”
  1. Desides says: Dec 18, 2009 12:02 AM

    Better headline: “Rooney Rule Should Be Abolished.”

  2. THEpackersAREwhere? says: Dec 18, 2009 12:03 AM

    This pisses people off. I believe in the equality of all people of EVERY background. That being said, what I’m about to say will piss a lot of people off. People need to get over their fixation with race. As long as race is the first thing that pops into peoples head, people will never truely be equal. Now that you have read this, there is a strong chance that you want to lynch me because you think I am a racist white person. I am none of the above. Anybody that gets any kind of hate from this comment needs to look inside themself as examine their race issues.

  3. Bob Nelson says: Dec 18, 2009 12:05 AM

    Exclude current employees??!!!
    Why in the world should teams exclude their own loyal hard working employees from moving up?
    Your suggestion would cause less employer loyalty and a lot more Benadict Arnolds taking information to interviews that would be detrimental to their current employers.
    It doesn’t pass the common sense test.

  4. PiKindaGuy says: Dec 18, 2009 12:05 AM

    Can you explain how Holmgren can be announced as the coach for the Browns without any interviewing process?

  5. Play4Blood says: Dec 18, 2009 12:08 AM

    Still leads to the same old dog and pony show. If Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan are the top guys on your list, and both want the jobs, anything that happens because of some goofy “Hire me because I’m black” rule is pretty fruitless.

  6. Larry David says: Dec 18, 2009 12:08 AM

    There should be no Rooney Rule. It’s ridiculous. If I was an owner I wouldn’t abide by it. I’m going to hire the best candidate, regardless of whether they are black, white, green, or purple.

  7. leatherneck says: Dec 18, 2009 12:14 AM

    Why don’t we just have a rule like this?
    If you currently have a white head coach, you have to hire a black head coach next.
    If you currently have a black head coach, you have to hire a white head coach next.
    Merit? Who cares? Just hire purely on the basis of race.

  8. Meatheadskinsfan says: Dec 18, 2009 12:14 AM

    [quote]“Besides, at a time when Cerrato is quitting because the current front office isn’t getting it done, it’s ridiculous to think that owner Daniel Snyder would have rewarded sustained mediocrity by giving one of Cerrato’s lieutenants a bump up.”[/quote]
    That’d be a lot more ridiculous if pretty much the same thing didn’t happen in detroit last year. Not to mention the fact that Snyder has been known to be a big fan of Morrocco Brown (pro personel director and #3 football guy in the building).

  9. #1 says: Dec 18, 2009 12:14 AM

    “But if Allen was hired as part of a premeditated effort to bring in Shanahan, it necessarily was a sham interview.”
    If any team knows who they want to hire, then *any* Rooney Rule interview in that case is necessarily a sham interview.
    It really is a shame that, just days away from turning the calendar to 2010, the NFL still believes minority candidates can’t achieve club leadership positions without special rules in place. Personally, as a minority, I find it offensive.

  10. ewurm says: Dec 18, 2009 12:15 AM

    I have a novel idea. How about interviewing and hiring qualified candidates regardless of race? The Rooney rule is crap. If an organization is truly racist, they won’t hire a minority candidate anyway. They will just waste that person’s time. If they are not, they will look at resumes based on qualification and interview candidates that are actually qualified, regardless of race. Let’s review:
    -Interviewing candidates you have no intention of hiring is a waste of time and/or expense for both parties
    -The rule constitutes a disparate impact on non-minority candidates
    -Racism will never be truly dead until minorities are neither discriminated FOR or AGAINST

  11. brian_21 says: Dec 18, 2009 12:15 AM

    Perfect entry. I agree 100 percent.

  12. DcNinerFan says: Dec 18, 2009 12:17 AM

    Te be perfectly frank, the Rooney rule is like affirmative action – racism in the name of fairness (which isn’t fair at all, really). Any rule that requires a hiring manager (or school administration) to favor one race (or races) over another is total BS. You’d think we’d have moved on from all that, but I suppose not. If we were to get rid of these things, slavery would be brought up faster than Obama’s deficit.

  13. JagRoar says: Dec 18, 2009 12:23 AM

    The Rooney Rule is racist and should be done away with. If anything, there’s reverse discrimination going on in the NFL.
    If the current trends continue, then the Commish should just sign the NFL over to the REVeruns Jacks’nnn’ and Sharpton…

  14. Rusty Trombone says: Dec 18, 2009 12:25 AM

    I think the spirit of the rule was to get minorities involved in the process and over the years it has worked. I think the process is beneficial but I have a hard time with the fact that you have to interview anyone in addition to the person you truly want, minority or not. If Snyder wants Shanahan then he shouldnt have to interview anyone else. He knows what he wants, so putting anyone in that situation is pointless. If Snyder had a sham interview to comply than why matter if that sham was a minority or n

  15. J says: Dec 18, 2009 12:27 AM

    The Rooney rule is an stupid rule anyway, we have a black president but still think we need to be forced to interview black candidates for a job?

  16. GregO says: Dec 18, 2009 12:27 AM

    Presuming Snyder’s first contact with Allen did not occur after Cerrato was fired. And in light of the fact that you had no idea that Snyder had any contact with Allen prior to today. Again I have to ask you Florio, if you had no idea about those things why do you presume to know that Snyder only had a sham interview with a minority candidate?
    Face it Snyder duped you and most every one else whose job it is to report about the NFL. Why don’t you give him an attaboy for a job well done and accept it like a man.
    Instead you throw around accusations based on information coming from the very people whose pride was hurt when they realized that they don’t know everything all the time.
    Shameful on your part Florio. Act like a man.

  17. nicewolf64 says: Dec 18, 2009 12:28 AM

    oh for the day when people are hired on merit, and not race

  18. AlphaBean says: Dec 18, 2009 12:35 AM

    You poor, pitiful, deprived white men. You just can’t catch a break. :(

  19. Gautam says: Dec 18, 2009 12:39 AM

    The only thing that the rooney rule does is make many minority candidates look like mere pawns…

  20. IndyColt45 says: Dec 18, 2009 12:41 AM

    How long after whites are no longer the majority (currently projected to happen later this century) do you think the NFL will put in place a rule demanding that whites get a job interview?

  21. urbusted says: Dec 18, 2009 12:45 AM

    PiKindaGuy says:
    December 18, 2009 12:05 AM
    Can you explain how Holmgren can be announced as the coach for the Browns without any interviewing process?
    No, because he hasn’t been announced as anything regarding the Browns. The NFL has to be satisfied regarding the Rooney rule and the process the team has employed. I do not believe there is any rule regarding disclosure to the media. In addition Holmgren isn’t being considered as a coach, but as an administrator.

  22. SATAN says: Dec 18, 2009 12:47 AM

    The Rooney Rule was needed at the time of it’s implementation. The best way to prove that it has worked is to scrap it as it is no longer needed.
    I do however support a new version of the Roooney Rule…
    Applied to the OWNERS!!!
    No team may be sold if an existing credible Black ownership group isn’t considered.
    If no credible Black ownership group exists for that team only then can the team be sold to other interests.

  23. bbq says: Dec 18, 2009 12:54 AM

    The Rooney Rule is RIDICULOUS. I was just discussing this with someone on the way home not 30 minutes ago!
    If an organization determines that a black man will do the best job in whatever position said organization has with a vacancy, then they will hire that black man. If they determine that a white man is the better fit, and said white man wants to work for the organization in question, then they should be able to hire that white man without having to jump through hoops to do so.
    If you know who you want already, the Rooney Rule is nothing more than a waste of time for all parties involved.
    End of story.
    It’s 2009, Florio. Shame on you for perpetuating this rubbish.

  24. scrapdawg12 says: Dec 18, 2009 1:02 AM

    Isn’t the Rooney rule discriminating against some people? The Rooney rule needs to go buy buy. It is stupid. Hire someone based on their expertise in the field, not on a damn rule that’s based on race. The No Fun League needs some changing and this is one. Many teams I’m sure have 1 candidate they are looking to hire well before they conduct interviews, and after the interviews they interview this candidate. Why waste time on other people. Just dumb.

  25. Twiz says: Dec 18, 2009 1:05 AM

    The way I see it the Redskins followed the rule (even though is it stupid), they reported as such to the people they needed to (ie NFL bosses) and made their decision.
    For Lord Florio to keep complaining, keep making multiple blogs about it tells me (and others) one thing and one thing only. He thinks he should be let in on the process. He thinks he is relevant and should be told information not told to others. How asinine is that?
    The Redskins do not report to Florio or any one else at PFT, even though he was stupid enough to pick them to win the super bowl this year!

  26. AvO156 says: Dec 18, 2009 1:07 AM

    *cough*raheem*cough*morris

  27. cballlv11 says: Dec 18, 2009 1:20 AM

    Florio, you are a bozo! I know you post crap like this just to get your comment #’s up! The Rooney rule is STUPID! Do you think that when the Colts hired Dungy or the Begals hired Lewis, and all the other teams who have/had black coaches it was because they had to interview a black guy, and those men just blew them away and they hired them??!! NO! They brought them in and hired them because they were of the opinion that those men were the best HUMANS for the job! If you want to make a rule that is fair, require the teams to interview anyone with pre-determined qualifications that applies for the job! That way when a team has their sights set on a guy, be it black/white/asian/hispanic/arabic or whatever, it’s up to the person who applies to prove themselves worthy of the job. The fact that race is involved at all in this is gross. All it does is remind people that there are different colors of people, when we should be trying to forget the idiocy of past mistakes and injustices… Go to your room Florio… It’s past your bedtime!!

  28. moltobuttstomp says: Dec 18, 2009 1:20 AM

    As I recall, there was a story circulating a couple of weeks back that a search firm had contacted Tony Dungy about a position and he had declined to interview for it.
    I’m not saying it was the Redskins but let’s assume for the moment it was.
    Wouldn’t that and an internal interview (or two) really put this thing to rest?

  29. jctoast says: Dec 18, 2009 1:22 AM

    I think it’s a complete toss up on what Florio’s biggest obsession is…Brett Favre or the Rooney Rule.
    Your white guilt and your hatred of hillbillies (being from WV and all) is taking over your life, Mike. Stop obsessing and move on to other topics.

  30. JSpicoli says: Dec 18, 2009 1:27 AM

    You guys said it perfectly. Good job.
    Shame on Florio and those that think this rule does anything but PROMOTE racism.

  31. dpa6 says: Dec 18, 2009 1:30 AM

    There are a lot of angry white guys here. I bet $20 that 90% of them believe “black people need to stop whining about racism and do the best they can” and then turnaround and act like white Al Sharptons when affirmative action is brought up.

  32. brian_21 says: Dec 18, 2009 1:36 AM

    Bob, current employees would not be excluded; there would just be rules in place to ensure that the spirit of the Rooney Rule remains intact.
    #1, you make a really, really good point regarding a sham interview. There’s probably not a solution to that one. At all.
    DcNinerFan, you might misunderstand the rule. The Rooney Rule has nothing to do with hiring. It’s just about interviewing. Even if #1′s concern is realized — and an interview is indeed a sham — at least the individual’s name begins to get circulated, and he’s likelier to find someone who will hire him down the line.
    ewurm, you say this: “If an organization is truly racist, they won’t hire a minority candidate anyway.”
    And that’s a good argument. However, what I wrote in response to DcNinerFan holds true — that just getting your name circulated is indeed a plus. The Rooney Rule is a great thing and ought to remain intact — at least for now.

  33. timegambit says: Dec 18, 2009 1:38 AM

    Future generations will study this generation as thee most f***uped grouping of people and ideas EVER!
    Afro Am’s are the majority of the players, but we need a rule that will bring them to equal status among the coaching ranks!
    We can admit afro am’s are acceptional athletes, yet we cannot accept the fact that others might be acceptional coaches.
    Where was the rule to help out Ken Niumatalol as one of the first polynesian NCAA coaches EVER!?
    We don’t need this BS.
    Don’t feed the Sharpton/Jackson crap. We are better than this!

  34. Sonny Mooks says: Dec 18, 2009 1:52 AM

    While I personally, like the Rooney rule (and actually think it should be expanded to include assistant coaches), I think excluding in house candidates is a bad idea. It punishes minorities (actually everyone) who contributes to the organization from even being given the opportunity for promotion. Look at the Detroit Lions….actually, no, don’t look at it, but if your idea had been in effect, it certainly would not have been to the benefit or the spirit of the Rooney rule.
    That said, one of the benefits of the Rooney rule was to raise the profile of the candidates and by not revealing who was interviewed here, it negates that the benefit.
    As for sham interviews, face it, it happens, and will continue to happen. The league has had to revise the Rooney Rule with the “Art Shell addendum” because of it (remember Jerry Jones phone call that constituted an interview?).

  35. downsouth49er says: Dec 18, 2009 1:53 AM

    THEpackersAREwhere? says:
    December 18, 2009 12:03 AM
    “This pisses people off. I believe in the equality of all people of EVERY background. That being said, what I’m about to say will piss a lot of people off. People need to get over their fixation with race. As long as race is the first thing that pops into peoples head, people will never truely be equal. Now that you have read this, there is a strong chance that you want to lynch me because you think I am a racist white person. I am none of the above. Anybody that gets any kind of hate from this comment needs to look inside themself as examine their race issues. ”
    As a Black American, I agree with you

  36. Rezen says: Dec 18, 2009 2:02 AM

    Mike Florio wrote:The goal of the Rooney Rule, as we understand it, is to ensure an inclusive hiring process. The notion that the rule can be fulfilled by duping an in-house minority candidate into thinking that he has a legitimate shot at the job doesn’t constitute an inclusive hiring process, in our view.

    Tony Dungy and Jim Caldwell agree 100%. Not only external minorities should have been included in the hiring process – but “majority” candidates as well!

  37. sultanofslot says: Dec 18, 2009 2:09 AM

    Go from “Dupe in-house minority candidates” to “Dupe outside minority candidates”!!! Brilliant!

  38. Corrupt3d says: Dec 18, 2009 2:23 AM

    Morocco Brown is the #3 guy in the building (behind Cerrato then Scott Campbell). Snyder has been very high on him since he was hired in the 2008 off-season. I’m sure Snyder interviewed him for the GM role, he’s a great personnel guy but I don’t think he’s had enough experience to be a GM right now.

  39. notsosmart says: Dec 18, 2009 2:34 AM

    Nothing wrong with the Rooney Rule in Tampa. The owners liked what they had in Radio so they promoted him. Can anyone recall if any coaches of any Race were interviewed for the head coaching job for the Bucs?

  40. CKL says: Dec 18, 2009 3:19 AM

    About 20 years ago, I was duped into thinking that scoring well on the civil service exam would get me an interview for the open position I applied for. But no. I scored in the top ten yet people below me were interviewed and not me. Now why would that be? A MORE qualified person by their OWN test standards doesn’t get an interview that lesser qualified people do when opportunity for an interview was solely defined by doing well on this test (supposedly)?
    Why? Racism.
    Except the ones interviewed were black and I am not.
    Racism is making a decision or giving an interview or whatever based solely on race. Which is precisely what the Rooney rule is. There’s no “reverse” anything…it’s just RACISM….either way.
    Fostering racism of any type for any reason be it considered “good/noble” or not just makes race relations worse IMO.

  41. culturalelite says: Dec 18, 2009 4:03 AM

    I believe it’s time to allow some exceptions to the Rooney Rule, or abolish it with a good faith understanding that teams will give equal consideration to minority coaching and front office candidates.
    As is the (apparent) case with the Shanahan/Redskins situation, when a team knows who they want to hire, they should be allowed to hire that person, without conducting one or more obligatory interviews with candidates who have no shot at landing the job.
    This recent development recalls the Detroit Lions situation following the 2002 season. The team wanted Steve Mariucci, as its next head coach. Rather than conduct a sham interview with someone like Art Shell (who sat for several “just for show” interviews around that time) the Lions paid a $200,000 fine to the NFL. It was a steep price to pay for just being honest, especially considering that Mariucci never made a winner of the Lions. It was also the right thing to do, because no one was going to bump Mariucci from the top of then-GM Matt Millen’s wish list.
    A similar situation,with a twist, occurred three years earlier when Packers GM Ron Wolf, seeking a replacement for Mike Holmgren, interviewed no head coaching candidates, and handed the job to recently-fired Philadelphia Eagles head coach Ray Rhodes. The Rooney Rule was not yet in effect, and of course wouldn’t have applied in this case, because Rhodes is African-American. This too had an unhappy ending. Wolf quickly realized he’d made a bad hire, and Rhodes was canned after one season. What this does point out, as does the Mariucci affair, is that fixating on one person often backfires, and an interview process often yields surprising and successful results.
    With names like Shanahan, Cowher, Gruden and Holmgren lingering out there, it’s time to ease up on the rule a bit. The NFL will be better with each of them back in the game, and cosmetic interviews for the jobs they ultimately get are insulting to everyone who loves the sport, as well as to the interviewees.

  42. texasPHINSfan says: Dec 18, 2009 4:32 AM

    Mike, you *say* all that, but…… You could also just get rid of the damn Rooney Rule.

  43. mihan says: Dec 18, 2009 4:34 AM

    Its really easy for us white people to say that race should never be an issue, especially when you’ve never been singled out for disparate treatment.
    The NFL’s on-field product has over 60% African-American players, and yet at one time there were no black coaches or front office personnel. Do you really think it was a matter of qualifications? Were white people the only ones able to do the job? Do you now think that the only reason black coaches and general managers are being hired is due to the Rooney Rule?
    People want to avoid the racist label, but why not just embrace it openly if that’s the way you really think?

  44. Rev. Dr. HollywoodWags says: Dec 18, 2009 4:48 AM

    Lawyers are really smart, they can do all our thinking for us, because they are smart, and we are dumb.

  45. papertiger says: Dec 18, 2009 5:08 AM

    @THEpackersAREwhere?
    It’s completely unrealistic to think that people can somehow “get over” the idea of race, especially in America, where demographics have clashed since before we were even a nation. I don’t think you’re a racist, and I’m not a fan of the PC generation or the measures that have been taken by most institutions in order to combat racial inequality, but I realize that certain conflicts cannot be ignored. The only course of action worth taking is to keep awareness up, that way at least a dynamic exists, even if it leads us down blind alleys. Think of the Churchill quote, where democracy is the worst system of government…except for all the others. To try to dismiss the idea of race because it’s too convoluted and messy is a step in the wrong direction.
    That being said, I think Florio’s suggestions are valid in that they address the loopholes in this process. A minimum time frame and mandatory non-organizational candidates wouldn’t be hard to enforce.

  46. DBL says: Dec 18, 2009 5:26 AM

    So from what I understand and let me get this straight…
    All you need to do is interview one minority candidate?
    Not particularly a Black candidate, but it could also be a hispanic or pacific islander or a Native American or an Asian or a female of any race…?
    Correct me if I am wrong please…

  47. Mike Quick says: Dec 18, 2009 5:34 AM

    “Commissioner Roger Goodell said during a live chat at NFL.com that the Redskins complied with the rule that requires at least one minority candidate to be interviewed for General Manager positions.”
    Once again, ^ this is all that matters. Quit sounding like a crying little girl, the world doesnt revolve around what Florio thinks. They met the rule, get over it, MOVE ON.
    More then anything Florio sounds like he’s upset because nobody will tell him who it was.

  48. baxstar says: Dec 18, 2009 5:44 AM

    “Bob Nelson says: December 18, 2009 12:05 AM
    Exclude current employees??!!!
    Why in the world should teams exclude their own loyal hard working employees from moving up?
    Your suggestion would cause less employer loyalty and a lot more Benadict Arnolds taking information to interviews that would be detrimental to their current employers.
    It doesn’t pass the common sense test.”
    -He’s not suggesting that you don’t interview current employees whatsoever, you idiot. He’s just saying teams shouldn’t be able to count one of their own employees as the token minority candidate to satisfy the Rooney rule.
    -You don’t pass the common sense test.

  49. Aequitas says: Dec 18, 2009 5:46 AM

    So basically you have to dupe external candidates instead of internal ones. Sounds like a solution.

  50. Buck Stallion says: Dec 18, 2009 5:53 AM

    Right on Florio! The Rooney rule should also be extended to the makeup of the team. Each team should have to try out at least one black kicker.

  51. Greg says: Dec 18, 2009 6:30 AM

    I like what I am reading here this morning. Race should not be a factor either for or against a position. I have black friends that are as much against preferencial treatment as I am. But, having said that, Tom Jackson would make a great GM. Knows personnel and an ex-player.

  52. DonTerrelli says: Dec 18, 2009 6:39 AM

    Rooney Rule is retarded. If Snyder wants a specific person for the job, why should he jump through hoops to satisfy other people?

  53. phildo says: Dec 18, 2009 6:42 AM

    uh oh.. the white repubs are out in force in this thread

  54. HereThere says: Dec 18, 2009 7:01 AM

    Shut up, phildo, and hang up your Obama fathead, lefty idiot. Sorry opposing opinions offend you so much, goose stepper.

  55. imabigdog says: Dec 18, 2009 7:15 AM

    This rule has to be the STUPIDEST thing in the world. The percentage of people that are qualified to manage ANYTHING is football is damn small. To have a “rule” that says of the .02 percent of the population that is qualified to run a football team I have to at least interview a minority percentage of that. COME ON!!!
    And Florio, get over it. White or Black or Brown or what ever does not make you more or less qualified to run a football team. If you want to make a case that Bruce Allen is not qualified then I will listen. If your case is that Bruce Allen is white and should not be hired, then who really has the problem?

  56. Bazooka Joe says: Dec 18, 2009 7:27 AM

    I am convinced that Florio wrote this article so he can laugh at the response from to toothless-inbred-incestous-hillbillies

  57. LT2_3 says: Dec 18, 2009 7:35 AM

    “After all, it’s hard to know to apply for a position when the qualified candidates don’t even realize the position is vacant.”
    Let ‘s rephrase for truth: “After all, it’s hard for us to pontificate on which candidates would be best for the job if we have no idea that there is an open position, much less who is being interviewed.”
    I have no problem with the Rooney rule as long as it doesn’t prevent teams from hiring the guy(s) that they think are the best fit for the organization. Unfortunately, this is a time sensitive business and having an open and transparent process can really hurt a team’s ability to get the guys they really want if they are replacing their GM who in turn will replace their coach.

  58. GoBrowns19 says: Dec 18, 2009 7:36 AM

    If I felt I was a legitimate head coach in the NFL, and someone asked me to interview because I was black, I’d be insulted. This rule is stupid.

  59. slutnuts says: Dec 18, 2009 7:38 AM

    “I’m going to hire the best candidate, regardless of whether they are black, white, green, or purple.”
    ___________________________________
    i would like to agree with you but man do i hate purplies. i mean where do they get off being all purple all the time. i say we should kick out all purplies because they are stealing our gm and coaching jobs….
    dont get me started on them green folk

  60. ohmanbeliefs says: Dec 18, 2009 7:38 AM

    as usual, completely humiliating comments in this thread. why don’t these black coaches scramble more?!?!?!

  61. Thor says: Dec 18, 2009 7:49 AM

    I’m still for Whoopi Goldberg as the next coach……Female, Black, Jewish and mentally handicapped.

  62. phillyesq says: Dec 18, 2009 8:00 AM

    When will the Rooney Rule apply to players? I’d like to see some white wide receivers, and at least one white defensive back on each team.

  63. Juan Corsair says: Dec 18, 2009 8:07 AM

    uh oh.. the white repubs are out in force in this thread
    ———————
    So anyone who disagrees with racism is white, racist and Republican? You really are a stupid twat, aren’t you?

  64. JollyRoger says: Dec 18, 2009 8:08 AM

    One thing you all should keep in mind is that the majority of players are black, and coaches, owners and GMs are mostly white. The NFL wanted to address the inequality in “leadership” (can’t think of better term) positions.
    Imagine an army where all the enlisted guys were black and all the officers were white. You’re all right that people should be chosen based solely on merit, but when there’s such a disparity between the top and bottom, it creates the appearance of institutional racism.

  65. Jag4Life says: Dec 18, 2009 8:14 AM

    I know most of you don’t understand it, have witnessed or be involved in racial discrimation, but it is alive and well. The Rooney Rule was need at the time it was put into place. Bottom line, blacks will always based 90% of the time b/c of their skin whether you want to believe it or not. We’ve made long strides in the country but still have a long way to go. And this goes waaaaaaaay beyond football.

  66. Jeff1220 says: Dec 18, 2009 8:16 AM

    Maybe I have my head in the sand, but it seems that after black head coaches have coached half of the teams who played the last three Super Bowls, and won 2 out of the last three Super Bowls, that most FOs would realize that race doesn’t qualify or disqualify anyone for the job. I think if a black HC or GM is the one of the best possible candidates, he’ll get some interviews and a job, without the need of the Rooney Rule.

  67. Majik Man says: Dec 18, 2009 8:34 AM

    So Florio, according to your new twist to the Rooney Rule, the Colts and Bucs technically would have been in violation, seeing as how the minority candidates they interviewed, and eventually hired, were from within the organization. In fact, I don’t believe the Colts even held an interview, they pretty much had Caldwell hand picked by Dungy. Isn’t this kind of reverse Rooney? A black man basically appointed by another black man, with no white man seriously considered for the job. But that scenario is OK, because a minority was hired, right?
    The entire Rooney Rule is a sham, and should be done away with. It served a great purpose originally, but is clearly no longer necessary, with a good level of diversity throughout the coaching ranks.

  68. realitypolice says: Dec 18, 2009 8:36 AM

    “After all, it’s hard to know to apply for a position when the qualified candidates don’t even realize the position is vacant.”
    So much stupidity wrapped up into one sentence. First of all, people don’t “apply” for GM positions like it was a job at 7-11. Teams reach out to the parties they are interested in and set up interviews. Sure, an agent for a coach or front office person (and they do have agents) may contact a team to express their clients’ interest in a certain position, but do you think they wait until a position officially opens to do so?
    And it is infuriating that you continue to refer to this process as an “abrupt change”. It is obvious this process has been in motion for awhile, and if anything the Skins deserve kudos for managing, for once, to plug leaks. The fact that you quote John Wooten of the FPA as saying they fulfilled the Rooney Rule requirement “over 10 days ago” is proof. What kind of ignorant, or worse unscrupulous, person would ignore quotes IN THEIR OWN STORY, that contradict the indefensible position they are taking?

  69. virtualplague says: Dec 18, 2009 8:43 AM

    The Rooney Rule is just like hate crime laws and affirmative action laws. It doesn’t abolish, but in fact, promotes the idea that all races are different.
    It’s bullshit.

  70. rlb1130 says: Dec 18, 2009 8:46 AM

    I firmly believe that white owners spend millions of dollars on minority athletes to try and formulate a winning team. Then after spending in excess of 100′s of millions of dollars to assimilate their team they exclude the most qualified individuals from the single most important position on the team because of race. Makes sense. I know if I ran a company I would put significant investment dollars at risk based on ethnic background. Sure I will pay an athlete (regardless of race) who’s face will be plastered on ESPN week in and week out (even if he is a felon) millions of dollars but I would have to draw the line at hiring him as a coach if he is not white.

  71. getsomeclass says: Dec 18, 2009 8:48 AM

    Hey Mike…. do you ever do any research? Or is it just your style to carelessly and irresponsibly start unfounded and unsubstantiated rumors?
    TONY DUNGY SAID ON NATIONAL TV OVER A WEEK AGO THAT A SPECIFIC TEAM CONTACTED HIM REGARDING AN EXECUTIVE POSITION WITH THEIR ORGANIZATION.
    While he did not disclose publicly which team contacted him, it’s not a stretch to think the Skins could have been that team. Check into it…
    Just because the Skins didn’t say publicly which minorities were interviewed doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. The league office said there were several minorities interviewed and the Skins “more than satisfied the Rooney Rule.”
    But there’s no story in that… is there?

  72. BasicInstinct says: Dec 18, 2009 8:52 AM

    I think they need to reinstate player quotas totally across the board in all professional sports….just like in the government sectors. Socialism should permeate all walks of life so that one’s race is equally represented in all organizations and businesses, especially professional sports.
    All sports, including hockey and swimming.
    Or, team makeup could be determined by the race of the fanbase. All season ticket holders could vote for what they wanted, then management would have to slot positions to match the wants of the fans.
    Then the team would represent it’s fanbase.
    Who cares if they win or not. It should all be about race first. Right Florio?

  73. dirtythirtyfour says: Dec 18, 2009 8:54 AM

    I can’t believe what I’m reading from some of you. The Rooney rule was not set up to make a team HIRE a black/hispanic/asian person, but to at least consider one in the hiring process. When the Rooney rule was set up there had only been 7 minority coaches in the HISTORY of the NFL!!!! Does that sound Fair to all of the people crying about needing to make sure a minority comes in for an interview!! Does that really sound like they had an equal opportunity. Seven coaches within one year would only be 20%, and we’re talking about in the HISTORY of the league. This rule is to stop the retread hires without CONSIDERING anyone else. Thanks for the article, sad to see how little the country has progressed, even with a minority president!

  74. oa316ts says: Dec 18, 2009 8:56 AM

    Can someone simply explain to me how an Internal Sham Interview is any worse or really different than an External Sham Interview? Teams in the NFL simply skirt the Rooney Rule by making it look like they are “seriously” interviewing a minority candidate, when everyone around the league knows who they are aiming to hire.
    While the Rooney Rule is an excellent idea in theory, it has been proven to not really work at all. It’s about as effective as the “tampering rules” that are continually discussed her on PFT being abused throughout the league. The league should get rid of both of these rules and admit that they have done very little good whatsoever.
    At least, that’s my opinion on the matter whether PFT Planet agrees or not…

  75. ignoringthehaters says: Dec 18, 2009 9:06 AM

    I have an idea; all teams should be required to have at least 50% white players. What? That’s racism? Oh I see. The Rooney Rule is frickin crap. Minorities, you should seriously be pissed off that this is even in play. You go backward, not forward with garbage like this. But the NFL is so effed up anyway, hopefully their will soon be a league that can actually challenge them. Monopolies are bad for America

  76. steelerdynasty6 says: Dec 18, 2009 9:11 AM

    i must admit that agree with the last two posts, however, it is not a feasible alternative. it would be great if people were evaluated and considered based solely on the content of their character and competencies. this unfortunately is not the case. i acknowledge that things have improved dramatically over the past 20 years, but true equality has not yet arrived. we have a few more generations to go until it becomes reality. there are just simply too many people who vividly remember inequality, and enjoy the advantages and privilege that is associated with it. that being said, i think it quite a leap to assume that it’s EVERY white person’s motivation when interviewing candidates. the good ‘ole boys network is still alive and well and will be quite some time until its gone for good. the sad fact is that we still NEED the rooney rule and affirmative action because there are not enough people in positions of power who are willing to break from the “tradition” of passing over minorities

  77. coalblak says: Dec 18, 2009 9:14 AM

    THEpackersAREwhere? says:
    December 18, 2009 12:03 AM
    This pisses people off. I believe in the equality of all people of EVERY background. That being said, what I’m about to say will piss a lot of people off. People need to get over their fixation with race. As long as race is the first thing that pops into peoples head, people will never truely be equal. Now that you have read this, there is a strong chance that you want to lynch me because you think I am a racist white person. I am none of the above. Anybody that gets any kind of hate from this comment needs to look inside themself as examine their race issues.
    Hello THEpackersAREwhere? I don’t hold your comments against you because you have never had the Black experience in America so you don’t know what it’s like to be black and be discriminated against. I also don’t think that your comments make you a racist. You are just stating your opinion and I respect it. I really wish that our society did not see color at all but that is not the case. White people hate it when Black people play the race card which is fair to some extent because it does not allow for a open and honest discussion of this controversial subject. At the same time Black people hate it when White people say race was not a factor when alot of times we know that it was and they were hiding behind an institutionally racist decision to deny a job or whatever the injustice may be, without have the burden and shame of being called a true racist. Alot of times people hire someone who they think they can work with and who is quote on quote safe. Most of the time it’s about who you know instead of what you know and that is the real shame in all of this.

  78. AlCortez says: Dec 18, 2009 9:15 AM

    The “Rush is Right” crowd doesn’t understand hiring.
    The tendency is, to hire who you’re comfortable, i.e. who looks like / sounds like you, i.e. a white guy (cuz that’s the majority of the owners).
    The point of the Rooney Rule is to get someone to talk to – not hire necessarily, just TALK to – someone out of their comfort zone. This gives some guys (example, Reggie McKenzie of the Packers) a chance to interview. Once you get in front of someone, you at least have a chance. That’s the point. It’s NOT a hiring quota.
    That said – it’s still broken. For owners like Randy Lerner, the rule should be:
    - you need to announce a vacant position
    - with the vacancy open, you need to interview at least three candidates, including one identified by the league office. Let the league office take the lead in identifying legit front office candidates.
    You can’t make a decent hire without at least considering several good candidates. You never know who is going to stand out during the process.

  79. mike28212 says: Dec 18, 2009 9:17 AM

    You do realize you insulted the intelligence of the in house candidate by saying he/she was duped much like Estelle Constanza was when she was talking to a Chinese woman rather than the American Donna Chang.

  80. vbhall78 says: Dec 18, 2009 9:25 AM

    So does anyone have any idea of who the “token” black guy is this year for the Rooney Rule? I am not a fan of this rule, all it does is have the”token” black canidate go city to city like he is on a rockstar concert tour, biting the bullet to the satisfy the Rooney Rule. Seriously, is there a penalty for not interviewing a “Black” canidate? Really what is Roger Goddell going to do if a team does not interview a minority canidate? YES I AM A AFRO-AMERICAN and I don’t see the purpose of this bill.

  81. ipeefreely says: Dec 18, 2009 9:25 AM

    The Rooney Rule creates racism and should be abolished. We don’t live in the ’30s anymore, it’s time to move on.
    Hire the most qualified- black, white, red, green blue and all in between.
    The Rooney Rule is a slap to the face of qualified personnel, and a socialist approach to team management.
    If I paid billions for a team, you bet your A$$ I’m hiring who ever will improve my team the most.

  82. DocBG says: Dec 18, 2009 9:39 AM

    “Frankly, it’s just too easy (in most cases) to persuade a person already on the payroll to “take one for the team,” especially if the wink-nod-cough-fart request to interview comes with the wink-nod-cough-fart implication that loyalty in this regard will be rewarded.”
    So you are saying that you DONT think current employees should be rewarded for helping their employers? that doesnt make any sense at all florio. Maybe the league should just go ahead and give anyone who isnt a white male a head start in ANY sort of front office position, would that help assuage your white guilt? This is so far from what Dr. King was talking about, didn’t you people hear the part about the content of their character, not the color of their skin? The looney rule should be abandanded, a league office filled with klansmen couldn’t come up with something more racist if they tried. the best person for the job. does dicking around some semi-qualified black folks really make you feel better?
    If Bob Nelson and common sense agree on something, maybe just maybe its the right thing to do.

  83. thekiddone says: Dec 18, 2009 9:39 AM

    So Florio you want Snyder to post an ad in the Wash Post for a GM? Let 31 other teams know that you have an opening before firing Vinny? Does not sound like good advice to me. I think if he had done that you would be blogging about how dump the Danny is.

  84. gallaghedj311 says: Dec 18, 2009 9:45 AM

    What the hell is wrong with all of you people? Can you not see the intent of the Rooney Rule? Is it perfect? No, not by any means. I can’t really think of many rules, laws, etc etc that are perfect. But this rule was put into place with good intentions. You speak about it like it has done nothing but harm. It should be retired now, as the goal has been accomplished……albeit not necessarily because of the rule. The NFL should hand this rule of to the NCAA. If I recall, the only D-1 school with a black head coach is the U of Miami. Explain that to me……..

  85. rlb1130 says: Dec 18, 2009 9:46 AM

    Maybe all those in favor of the Rooney rule should ponder this?? You need your car worked on. You can’t just take it to the friendly mechanic that you have known for years and has provided many years of satisfactory service to your neighbors, family and friends. You have to interview a number of candidates outside your race (even if they have never worked on an automobile). After all there is a chance you may like one of them and based on their interview skills you will entrust all future repairs to their stewardship. Never mind the amount of time you wasted for you and the special “candidate”. Previous posters are correct..It is NOT a hiring quota. It is an insulting attempt to patronize certain sectors of society and to sooth the guilty conscious of a select few.

  86. 4DayTheory says: Dec 18, 2009 9:49 AM

    Sounds like an interesting idea. However, I’m not sure if it would be appropriate to alter a rule that is used “to ensure an inclusive hiring process” to start excluding certain candidates based on their current employer.
    I think altering the rule in this way may create other problems, loopholes, and complaints.

  87. Bazooka Joe says: Dec 18, 2009 9:54 AM

    A rule is a rule and it must be obeyed. Get over it white people. LOL!

  88. The Stinger says: Dec 18, 2009 9:57 AM

    Rooney Rule is a joke. Teams will just find a way around it anyways.

  89. Noah Botty says: Dec 18, 2009 10:03 AM

    # Majik Man says: December 18, 2009 8:34 AM
    So Florio, according to your new twist to the Rooney Rule, the Colts and Bucs technically would have been in violation, seeing as how the minority candidates they interviewed, and eventually hired, were from within the organization. In fact, I don’t believe the Colts even held an interview, they pretty much had Caldwell hand picked by Dungy. Isn’t this kind of reverse Rooney? A black man basically appointed by another black man, with no white man seriously considered for the job. But that scenario is OK, because a minority was hired, right?
    The entire Rooney Rule is a sham, and should be done away with. It served a great purpose originally, but is clearly no longer necessary, with a good level of diversity throughout the coaching ranks.
    Amen to that Majik Man…and Florio…NEWSFLASH…the new President of the United States is a minority (and got there without a Rooney Rule)

  90. ajd78 says: Dec 18, 2009 10:03 AM

    What really constitutes a minority these days? Black men , white men , asians , hispanics , native americans? Who has the most current census stats. to determine? Or is this a rule to state you have to interview a black man? And why is a black man more important than a hispanic man? Just a thought. This is a discriminatory rule. Plain and simple. Do teams have to interview white running backs? I mean is a 40 time any different than an IQ test? Not to assume that minorities ( which like before who really is the minority) aren’t as intelligent , but if the right and best man for the job is available why would you waste your time on anyone else. If a man ran a 4.2 40 I wouldn’t interview a man who ran a 5.8 40. This rule is insulting to the minorities.

  91. Opie says: Dec 18, 2009 10:07 AM

    Some thoughts:
    1) It’s not the Rooney rule that is the problem. It’s that none of us knows exactly how everything went down. No open records, etc.
    2) There are many, many rules, laws, etc. that make no sense, yet are still in place.
    3) Greg: “Tom Jackson would make a great GM, he knows personnel & is an ex-player?” He is a commentator and a very good one, but to apply that to making him a GM?!? Does the name Matt Millen ring a bell?
    4) Jag4Life: you’re living in the wrong city.
    5) GetsomeClass: damn you for making my point an hour ahead of me. I agree with you and Perez Florio needs to do a little more digging before he spouts off like this. Alas, his is about getting 100 or so responses.
    6) dpa6 says:
    December 18, 2009 1:30 AM
    There are a lot of angry white guys here. I bet $20 that 90% of them believe “black people need to stop whining about racism and do the best they can” and then turnaround and act like white Al Sharptons when affirmative action is brought up. ”
    What the hell is a white Al Sharpton anyway? Would he look like Dave Chappelle dressed up as “Mr. White?!?” 90% is ignorant and I want my $20!!
    Finally, Florio: how many black men, women of any color, or any other minority work for PFT? Shouldn’t you strive to get a more diverse employee sampling? Maybe we should figure out how many of your readership is of any particular race. Then when a position opens up, you should interview all of them to see if there are any qualified candidates. At least if they are interviewed, it will get their “name out there” and familiar with the process…….
    Just saying

  92. HughJassPhD says: Dec 18, 2009 10:21 AM

    The goal of the Rooney Rule, as we understand it, is to ensure an inclusive hiring process.
    An inclusive hiring process? What the hell does that mean? Does anyone have a BS dictionary to translate that?
    The true goal of the RR was (1) hire more minorities (specifically black ones) and (2) to make sure that the NFL looked like it was hiring more minorities … but mostly number 2.

  93. Favre On HGH says: Dec 18, 2009 10:33 AM

    I don’t think requiring an out of house candidate to be interviewed as well as in – house would matter much overall. A lot of the time they have their mind made up anyway and go through the motions to comply.
    Keeping it in house makes it easier to manipulate the hiring process. You can also pull in someone from another organization or college and whine and dine them and have them say it was a “fair” process and they also get their name thrown around as a possible candidate. Either way it seems like it is simply in place to please people, don’t see enough specifics on it to consider it meaningful. Too easy to comply with the way it stands.

  94. Opie says: Dec 18, 2009 10:44 AM

    gallaghedj311: You’re not recalling correctly. Randy Shannon is NOT the only black head coach in NCAA football.
    Florio: how diverse is your staff? shouldn’t you try to make your staff representative of your readership? Maybe the next time you have an open position, you should interview all of your readers. At the very least, they will “get their name out there” and “have more experience about the process.”

  95. Steel Wheels says: Dec 18, 2009 10:47 AM

    It appears most people on here beat me to the punch. I think it is a ridiculous rule as well.
    The funny thing now adays is that whenever a white coach is hired the speculation is that the rooney rule interview was a sham and whoever got the job was going to get it in the first place.
    Look if you have guys like Holmgren, Cowher, Shanahan, or Gibbs out there. Guys that have proven themselves then you should be able to go get whoever you want without the impression you gave a sham interview just to fulfill an outdated rule.
    Blacks have proven themselves capable of anything and soon you will see guys like Dungy, Smith, and Tomlin being talked about like the names I mentioned above. Oh, wait, Dungy is already in that class and I don’t think he got there because the colts abided by the ‘rooney rule.’

  96. boysandnoles says: Dec 18, 2009 10:54 AM

    Yes I am black. And I hate the Rooney Rule as much as Affrimative action. but listening (reading) to you replys I am reminded why it is needed. Know what you are talking about. Affirmative action does not say hire a minority applicant. Just like the Rooney Rule does not say hire a black applicant it says include a minority in the interview process. They were both inacted because of racist and prejudice practices of recycling the same “good ole boys.” Some of you are posting asinine reponses. this has nothing to do with mechnics or the green and purple guy. stick to the script.

  97. JoaquinFenix says: Dec 18, 2009 11:11 AM

    Why stop there, Florio? Why don’t we just establish racial quotas at every level in the NFL bureaucracy and be done with it?
    In fact, why don’t we appoint you the NFL Hiring Czar and you can make all the race-based decisions on behalf of the teams? Because nothing says “color blind” quite like policies that discriminate – favorably or unfavorably – on the basis of race.

  98. phildo says: Dec 18, 2009 11:14 AM

    I bet these white gurls complaining enjoy the college football coaching ratio along with the Fortune 500 CEO ratio

  99. JSpicoli says: Dec 18, 2009 11:41 AM

    I think they need a Flrio Rule for Sportswriters. Replace Florio with a minority.

  100. GeraldKeefer says: Dec 18, 2009 12:31 PM

    Regardless if you agree or not with the rule people should be hired on merit alone.
    Personally, I think 2 of the best candidates for head coaching jobs this off season are Leslie Frazier and Ron Rivera. Both minorities. If neither of them get a job this off season I’ll be shocked. You shouldn’t need a Rooney Rule to see their talent.

  101. THEpackersAREwhere? says: Dec 18, 2009 1:25 PM

    COALBLK, did I say what race I belong to? I think you would be surprised as to my race. I didnt say i was white or black because that is part of my POINT. I aint white ok?! My whole damn point was that race should be irrelevent, but I write a comment and people need to know if im black or white so they know how to take it.

  102. Hogskin83 says: Dec 18, 2009 2:27 PM

    They should make a Rooney Rule for white running backs! This is frowend apon like masterbating in a airplane!

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