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Week 15 Morning Aftermath

It’s the Christmas edition of the Morning Aftermath, which means that we’ll possibly be making some seasonal references (or possibly not), and that we’ll generally be mailing it in.

It’s the holiday way.

Now, where’s my damn egg nog?

1.  Chilly isn’t in charge, after all.

Well, when you dance with the devil in the pale moonlight, sometimes the devil puts his pitchfork right up your ass.

Vikings coach Brad Childress is walking funny this morning, for that very reason.  In an effort to save his job, he chased quarterback Brett Favre for months, letting the wishy-washy player waffle in and out of unretirement, even though it meant missing valuable time preparing for the season.  And when Favre finally arrived in Minnesota, Childress personally drove Brett from the airport to the team facility.

But from the moment Favre referred publicly to his personal chauffeur as “Chilly,” a distinct vibe emerged that Favre was equal to or above his boss, and that Chilly’s job included letting Favre do whatever in the hell he wants.

It’s now clear that Favre can do whatever in the hell he wants.  Last night, Chilly tried to pull Favre out of the game in the third quarter with the Vikings leading by a point, and Favre refused to leave.

[T]here was a heated discussion, I guess you would call it,” Favre said after the game.  “We were up 7-6 at the time.  No secret, I was getting hit a little bit.  I felt the pressure on a lot of plays.  We had seven points.  So I think everyone in the building was like, ‘They’re not moving the ball, they’re not getting points.’  Brad wanted to go in adifferent direction and I wanted to stay in the game.

“We were up 7-6.  Yeah, it’s not 70-6, but we’re up 7-6.  So I said, ‘I’m staying in the game, I’m playing.’  I don’t know if it was exactly to protect me, or we had seven points, I’m not sure.  That’s his call.  But we talked it out.  We didn’t have time, I didn’t have time to sit there and say why or what.  My response was, we’ve got to win this ballgame and I want to stay in and do whatever I can.  Now, unfortunately, I didn’t do that, but that was my intention.”

But there shouldn’t have even been a heated discussion or a non-heated discussion or any other discussion.  Chilly is the coach, Favre is the player.  When the coach decides to take a player out, the player comes out.

Except in Minnesota, where the coach has created a monster, and the monster has decided to turn on Dr. Frankenchilly.

Last night, Chilly likely backed down in part because he didn’t want the situation to become a distraction, given that Favre tends to run his mouth about anything and everything, especially when a microphone is in his field of vision.  But even though Chilly placated Favre, there he was after the game, bitching about the fact that Chilly wanted Favre to do something Favre didn’t want to do.

It’s hard to blame Brett for this, because anyone who has been following the NFL for the past several years realizes that Brett was just being Brett.  But Chilly knew or should have known what he was getting himself into, and he knew or should have known that bringing Brett into the building means letting Brett do whatever he wants.

Though the experiment has gotten Chilly off the hot seat via a contract extension, this unwanted new dynamic will make it hard for Chilly to justify his new salary with a playoff win — and it makes Chilly generally look like a buffoon.

But, hey, if Brett decides in late August that he wants to play again in 2010, Chilly will be waiting at the airport holding a placard that reads “Favre” on the front and “I’m Brett’s bitch” on the back.

For more takes from Week 15, including a reaction to the Randy Moss comments, a critique of Mike Tomlin’s boneheaded call for an onside kick, an unlikely playoff rematch of a noteworthy regular-season game, the Big Show’s first order of business in Cleveland, Philly’s sudden shot at a bye week, the controversy regarding the Greg Camarillo unnecessary roughness call, the silver lining for the St. Louis Rams, Chris Johnson’s case for co-MVP, and the hot seat on which Jim Mora might be sitting, hit the link below.

2.  Moss unwittingly confirms that he’s fragile.

As the video pasted below demonstrates, a homeless man invaded the Patriots’ press room after Sunday’s game at Buffalo, spoke momentarily with a little anger and a lot of attitude, and then abruptly left.

Turns out that it was New England receiver Randy Moss, who had nothing at all to say after being sent home for showing up late for work and/or having a “bad game,” but who all of a sudden was ready to pop off after having a “good game.”

But he didn’t take a single question, continuing his successful dodging of the media.

It’s the off-field manifestation of his “play when I wanna play” attitude.  Like Brett Favre, Moss does what he wants; the only difference is that Brett’s chosen activities include “aw, shucks”-ing it up with the media, so the media generally loves him.

But everything Moss did on Sunday, from his game play to his demeanor to his post-game comments, confirm that, yes, he is fragile and that, yes, the week-long Patriot game of “pin the lips on Randy’s ass” worked.

These tactics can be justified as long as Moss retains high-end skills.  The moment he shows a significant decline, however, he’ll be spit out of the league faster than Todd Marinovich.

Meanwhile, we’re still waiting for ESPN to reconcile last week’s comments from Cris Carter, who called his former teammate’s performance against the Panthers “pathetic” and “appalling,” and the observations of Merril Hoge and Ron Jaworski, who have interpreted the mystical “coaching tapes” much differently.

We have a feeling we’ll be waiting a little while longer.

3.  The Maddenization of the NFL continues.
More and more, NFL coaches are behaving like 12-year-old boys with Xbox 360 controllers in their hands. 

We saw it last month, when Patriots coach Bill Belichick assumed a “what the hell, it’s only a video game” approach on fourth and two from his own 28 with a six-point lead against the Colts.

On Sunday, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin tried the same tactic, via a surprise onside kick while leading by two points with 3:58 to play.

While leading by two points with 3:58 to play.

But for quarterback Ben Roethlisberger’s ability to drive the Steelers 86 yards for the game-winning score with no time on the clock via a pass and a catch even more impressive than the play that won Super Bowl XLIII, Tomlin would be getting lambasted today for a decision far more boneheaded that Belichick’s option to play the percentages against Peyton Manning in his own backyard.

After the game, Tomlin was strident, claiming that he’d make the same call again.

“We had 30 minutes of evidence that we could drive the ball on them,” Tomlin said.  “We
also conversely had 30 minutes of evidence to show they could drive the
ball on us.  That’s why we took the risk we did.”

Less than a week after safety Ryan Clark called the local media “turds” for pressing pause on their usual habit of burying their noses into the team’s buttocks, the entire Pittsburgh defense should be feeling even more disrespected by their head coach.

Put simply, Tomlin didn’t trust them to stop the Green Bay Packers (who at last check weren’t quarterbacked by Peyton Manning) on the Steelers’ home field with the season on the line.

So where is the hue and cry from the national media and/or former Steelers players that Tomlin committed an affront to the Steel Curtain?  The lack of faith he displayed in the traditional strength of the team was, in reality, far worse than Belichick’s decision to trust Tom Brady to pick up two yards.

Even if Tomlin doesn’t receive as much criticism as he deserves on this one, the fact that Tomlin was forced to make a Madden-style call proves that these suddenly new-look Steelers more closely resemble an Arena League team than the franchise that has won six Super Bowls.

For that reason, the chances of stealing the six seed and parlaying it into a seventh trophy are far slimmer than anyone realizes.

4.  Rematch of 59-0 blowout creeps toward the horizon.

As we try to make sense of the cluster of two 8-6 teams and six 7-7 teams jockeying for a pair of wild-card berths, we can’t escape the feeling that, when the final Sunday of the regular-season ends, the Tennessee Titans will hold one of the two Golden Tickets.

And with the Bengals losing two in a row and the Patriots looking better (at least for one day), New England could end up with the third seed in the AFC field.

So if the Pats are No. 3 and the Titans are No. 6, the January 9 and 10 wild-card round would feature a rematch of Tennessee’s sixth loss of the season, a 59-0 whitewashing under white-out conditions in Foxborough.

It will be fitting, then, if the Titans return with a brand new team amid an unseasonable stretch of warm weather for the ultimate in-season shot at revenge.

If all those things happen, we’ve also got a feeling that the Titans would continue their season to remember with an unforgettable game against New England.

5.  Browns fans need to ignore recent success.

We’re happy for our friends in Cleveland, who have enjoyed two great games toward the end of a lost season.

But just like that 10-6 campaing from 2007 that resulted in no playoff berth, victories that do nothing to aid in the pursuit of a championship can be counterproductive.

That season of rebirth for the Browns, for example, served only to create unrealistic expectations for 2008, and to force the team to stick with Derek Anderson at quarterback, retarding the development of Brady Quinn.

Now, with the Browns on a two-game winning streak, some are suggesting that wasn’t isn’t broken need not be fixed.

Which ignores the obvious fact that, yes, it’s broken.

Most troubling in this regard is that Hall of Famer Jim Brown has spoken out in favor of giving coach Eric Mangini another year.  Though Brown has every right to speak his mind, the fact that he occupies a position of Senior Management with the franchise gives his words far more weight.

So when the Big Show takes over the Browns, possibly as soon as today, his first order of business should be to get under control Brown, Bernie Kosar and any other former player who has a voice in the affairs of the franchise. 

And Holmgren needs to be blunt.

“Moving forward, we’re doing this my way,” he should say.  “And my way means no one says anything that undermines the organization.  If you do it, you’re fired.”

As to Brown, Holmgren might want to take it a step farther and fire him right away, because Brown is going to continue to speak his mind regardless of anything Holmgren says.

And while the move likely will be unpopular in Cleveland, the mood will change considerably once Holmgren begins to lead the franchise out of a protracted funk that necessarily makes the memories of guys like Brown and Kosar more potent — necessarily giving them even more influence over the team’s long-suffering fans.

6.  Here come the Eagles.

With the Vikings losing two of three and the Eagles winning five in a row after winning only five of their first nine, the presumption that the Saints and the Vikings will secure the NFC bye weeks isn’t as clear as it used to be.

Now, the Eagles are perched only a game behind the Vikings with two to play.  And if Philly catches Minnesota, the Eagles would secure the No. 2 seed by virtue of a better record in the conference.

For the Vikings, such an outcome would make their path to Miami a lot murkier, since it would require them to beat a wild-card team at home (possibly the Packers) before hitting the road to play the Eagles in Philadelphia, where they haven’t won since 1985.

And Vikings coach Brad Childress, who previously served as offensive coordinator for Eagles coach Andy Reid, is 0-2 against his former boss.

So while Vikings fans likely will try to shrug off last night’s 19-point loss to a non-playoff team as the second aberration of the month, the consequences could lead to a more traditional outcome in Minnesota — yet another year without a trip to the Super Bowl.

7.  Camarillo call wasn’t a bad one.

Any regular visitors of this site know, we’re not bashful about complaining about bad calls from the men in black, and white.

As to one of the most criticized calls from Sunday’s game between the Dolphins and the Titans, we’re inclined to support the decision that was made on the field.

On the first drive of overtime, Titans safety Michael Griffin intercepted a pass from Dolphins quarterback Chad Henne and returned it to the Miami 42.  There, he took a seat, conceding that he would not attempt to gain further yards.  Then, after Griffin clearly was down, Miami receiver Greg Camarillo dove into Griffin.

The call was “unnecessary roughness.”  Though it was hardly a kill shot, it wasn’t “necessary” to hit Griffin with a shoulder.  Countless times, we’ve seen players merely tap with a hand a player on the ground.  In this case, the act of lunging into Griffin made the roughness necessarily unnecessary.

Consider Rule 12, Section 7, Article 8(d) of the Official Playing Rules, which defines unnecessary roughness to include “running or diving into, or throwing the body against or on a ball carrier who falls or slips to the ground untouched and makes no attempt to advance, before or after the ball is dead.”

 Camarillo defended his actions after the game.  “I was told it was a late hit,” Camarillo said, per Jeff Darlington of the Miami Herald.  “There was no whistle, and all of his teammates were telling him to get up.”

Regardless, Griffin was on the ground.  Camarillo needed only to touch him.

Meanwhile, linebacker Channing Crowder clearly didn’t like the call — and he surely won’t like the contents of the FedEx envelope he receives from the league office this week, which won’t contain a Christmas card.

“It’s hard enough to beat 11 Titans,” Crowder said.  “You can’t beat 17 Titans.”

But the call in question complied with the letter of the rule, and Camarillo’s lunge likely came from frustration with the fact that winning the coin toss to open overtime didn’t resu

lt in a one-drive victory for his team.

8.  Rams have a clear shot for Suh.

Rams coach Steve Spanuolo’s team nearly won its second game of the season on Sunday, losing by only three to the Texans.

But the close-but-no-cigarillo outcome likely is just fine with the first-year head coach.

Coupled with Tampa’s uncanny win at Seattle, the Rams now stand alone with a clear shot at Nebraska defensive lineman Ndamukong Suh, the consensus best player in the 2010 draft pool.

Sure, the Rams need a quarterback.  But there’s isn’t any quarterback in this year’s class worthy of being the first guy to hold up a jersey and wear the latest line of baseball hats bearing football logos.

Having the ticket to Suh also gives the Ram the ability to trade down, draft a quarterback, and stockpile a bunch of other picks.  Though few teams are still willing to move to the top of the draft given the financial investment associated with the No. 1 overall pick, folks regard Suh as good enough to justify making a big splash.

So, either way, the ever-losing Rams might finally win something.

9.  Chris Johnson, Peyton Manning should share MVP.

With the Saints and the Vikings losing and the Colts matching the ’72 Dolphins and the ’07 Pats with 14 wins to start the season, Indy quarterback Peyton Manning is widely believed to be closing in on his fourth MVP award.

But the efforts of Titans running back Chris Johnson can’t be ignored.  He has 1,730 yards rushing in 14 games, which puts him on pace for 1,977.  With 376 yards in his final two games of the season (188 per game), he’ll break the single-season rushing record of 2,105.

Another record that’s as significant but less hyped is even closer to Johnson’s reach.  With 2,176 yards from scrimmage, he’s on pace for 2,486 total yards, which would break the single-season record set by Marshall Faulk in 1999.

So just as Manning and Titans quarterback Steve McNair shared the award six years ago, another AFC South collaboration is justified this time around, especially if Johnson ends up with either or both of these records.

10.  Mora might be in trouble, after all.

As we pointed out last week, we like Seahawks coach Jim Mora.  But what we think of him won’t keep him employed in Seattle.  (Actually, it might hurt him.)

Of the various first-year coaches of bad teams, Mora seems to be in the safest position.  Still, only he and Browns coach Eric Mangini will be having new bosses soon.

We’re told that Mora made a big push for the team to land Mike Holmgren in a Parcells-style role because Mora knew that, if Holmgren had gotten the job, Mora’s job would have be ensafe.

Now that Holmgren is out of the picture, Mora will be at the mercy of whoever gets control of the team.  While that might not mean Mora will be fired right away, the next G.M. might choose to put Mora on a short leash, with a bad season in 2010 being enough to get him run out the door.

Either way,  a 17-point drubbing at home to a Bucs franchise that has looked lately like it would lose to the college team with which it shares a stadium won’t be “Exhibit A” when Mora is making the case for not getting fired.

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148 Responses to “Week 15 Morning Aftermath”
  1. DonTerrelli says: Dec 21, 2009 8:50 AM

    Well, there’s the trade-off for getting his extension. I’m sure Favre has Chilly’s balls in a Mason jar for the rest of the season.

  2. cvh2009 says: Dec 21, 2009 8:52 AM

    Lets put this in perspective: It was only the teams third loss, again on the road and on grass, they are in the play-offs. Now that being stated: Favre should have sat his ass down. this easily could get and undoubtedly will get blown way out of proportion, just like Moss in NE. Favre should have had enough sense to realize that heading into the play-offs, that this is exactly what the team does not need. My god, it was just the lowly Panthers. Sit down and prepare for the following week.

  3. RexRyan'sStressedLapband says: Dec 21, 2009 8:52 AM

    Please, Chilly looked like a buffoon the Tuesday after the Vikes broke camp and Favre told the world he was coming back. On that day, it became obvious who ran that team, and it wasn’t the guy on the sideline with the Britney Spears microphone on his head.

  4. Topher says: Dec 21, 2009 8:57 AM

    In this instance that player isn’t a 26 year old with 4 years in the league. Its a 40 year old with 20 years in the league and who is the quarterback of a playoff team.
    It isn’t Chilly being a bitch, its Chilly listening to the opinion of a 40 year old man with nearly 20 years experience.
    We’re not talking about kids and a coach old enough to be a parent here. We’re talking about peers in management/subordinate roles. The dynamic is not the usual.

  5. Richm2256 says: Dec 21, 2009 8:59 AM

    So Farve is okay with arguing with his coach – in front of the team and cameras – and even though he won the battle, he lost the war (the game).
    Nice move.
    To everyone who predicted a late season implosion, sit tight. To Farve and his supporters who said things were different THIS year, be ready to eat some serious crow. There’s a pulled vagina in Farve’s future, maybe as soonas the next loss.
    As Expected.

  6. nerd says: Dec 21, 2009 8:59 AM

    Brett tried to dictate personnel moves to Ted Thompson. He tried to name the head coach. He tried to dictate the offensive philosophy, and he tried to run whatever plays he wanted.
    In 2007, McCarthy had him under as much control as he’s been under since the pre-Sherman era.
    Ever since Favre lost his dad, his wife and his agent have been whispering in his ear that he’s the greatest ever and more important than any team. Big Irv always kept Favre’s head on straight.
    That said, Chilly deserves to look like a fool. Because he is.

  7. Joe in Toronto, Canada says: Dec 21, 2009 9:04 AM

    Not one mention how plain stupid the thought was to take Favre out of the game, not one.
    I understand that Childress is the HC and all that, I know, but to not even question the HC on this is amazing to me.

  8. Danishpackerfan says: Dec 21, 2009 9:04 AM

    After the Steelersgame last night i did’nt think i could be in a good mood today, but the queen game and added this sure feels good !!

  9. Fan of Football says: Dec 21, 2009 9:05 AM

    t’s crazy to take him out when it was 7-6, but look, he was absolutely getting killed from the left side. I kept waiting for “Chilly” to keep a RB or TE in there to help McKinny out, but it never happened.
    To make matters worse, Peterson’s off season decision to add 5-10lbs to his frame dropped him down from the top RB in the league, to the 5th or 6th best RB at best. The guy just can’t get it going anymore, and did you see how easily he got ran down on what should have been a TD reception?

  10. charliewade says: Dec 21, 2009 9:06 AM

    OK, cvh, let’s put this into perspective. The coach runs the team, for any player to so openly question that the way that Favre did unequivocally puts your authority as coach into question, not just with fans but with the other players.
    It was an unusual thing to try to sit Favre, but ‘Chilly’ is still the one who makes those decisions. And seeing how they got their asses handed to them anyway, in retrospect sitting Favre WOULD have been the right thing to do, instead of him getting worked over so much by Peppers. They lost and they lost big anyway. Tavaris could have done the same thing for them instead.
    And then for Favre to run his mouth to the media afterwards…. that was all class and professionalism. He doesn’t care about the team, he doesn’t care about ‘Chilly’, all Favre cares about is himself. His petulant, unprofessional comments to the media after the game show that. A professional would have just said, ‘Let’s just move on, we have a game next week we need to prepare for.’

  11. cusoman says: Dec 21, 2009 9:07 AM

    So what? Childress had a different plan and he talked it over with Favre and they both came to an understanding that Favre should stay in, I don’t see what the big deal is here.
    Oh wait, let me guess, there is now going to be some sort of “schism” developing between Favre and Childress now, right? Wake me when the PFT rumor machine breaks down gloriously.

  12. Hap says: Dec 21, 2009 9:07 AM

    Where’s Tony Dung-y ? I wanted to ask him about The Cowboys having “no chance at all against the Aints” .

  13. mborz says: Dec 21, 2009 9:12 AM

    Florio said: “When the coach decides to take a player out, the player comes out. Except in Minnesota, where the coach has created a monster, and the monster has decided to turn on Dr. Frankenchilly.”
    There are tons of other examples of marquee players lobbying the coaches and being heard. This is really nothing but Floiro drama.
    Here’s one example: Did you say the same thing about Tony Dungee in 2005 when Dungee sent the punt team on and Manning shoed them off when the Colts lost in the 2005 playoffs to the Steelers? (You should have, because Manning actually looks like Frankenstein.)
    We ALL know you want the Favre thing to fail, Mike. It’s been crystal clear since the beginning. But up until now, things have gone so smoothly you haven’t really even been able to be dramatic about it. Even your hope that Favre would blame an injury (which you mentioned many many times) hasn’t come to fruition. So now, instead, we get this.

  14. Emoney says: Dec 21, 2009 9:14 AM

    All I gotta say is that Viking fans better hope they don’t fall to that #3 seed. If I were a Viking fan, I would be pretty worried right now with the possibility of playing at Philly.
    You gotta take the good with the bad. This is the bad side of having Favre as QB. You guys haven’t experienced it yet, but you better just hope this doesn’t blow up in your faces. He runs the team. He was like this when Mike Sherman was the Packers coach, and tried running it when Dumb and Dumber took over the Packers organization. Those two didn’t put up with his shit, which is why he cried his way out of town.
    Say what you want about his “arm injury” in NY, but the fact of the matter is is that he shouldn’t have been playing if he was so hurt. Instead, he refused to leave games and ended up hurting the Jets last year. Favre is a very hard-headed football player.

  15. Krow says: Dec 21, 2009 9:14 AM

    They should have been pacing Favre the entire season. He’s 40… and those supplements will only take you so far. He’s having a bit of a fade now… he’s even firing up his “kiss my ass or I’ll retire” routine. This could get real ugly.

  16. GoBrowns19 says: Dec 21, 2009 9:15 AM

    The Vikings are screwed if they have to play a playoff game outdoors. They better hope NO holds the NFC title game.

  17. eagles_2031 says: Dec 21, 2009 9:22 AM

    farve has to play, the eagles are on thier tail for a first round bye. dont be foolish. if they both end up with 12-4 records the eagles get the edge and the bye. lord farve did get beat around last night. that was great to see. peppers was unstoppable.

  18. Tears_of_a_Favre says: Dec 21, 2009 9:23 AM

    Listen up…Chilly is my bitch so everybody STFU. Or I’ll start to cry. And retire. Or not. Did I ever mention how much I love to play the game? And don’t forget to buy Wrangler jeans.

  19. Greg from Louisiana says: Dec 21, 2009 9:25 AM

    If Chilldress was worried about Favre getting hurt, maybe he should have assigned someone to double team Peppers on every play. It sure worked for Carolina on Jared Allen.
    You could see Carolina getting more confident as the game progressed and the Vikings offense was silent. Favre is good but even he cannot throw with Peppers on his back all night. The Vikings were outcoached.

  20. longrodvanhungendong says: Dec 21, 2009 9:27 AM

    That couldnt protect Favre so they just wanted to pull him out of the game to protect him. That should work well in the playoffs…..

  21. irishgary says: Dec 21, 2009 9:27 AM

    What does chilly use to get the taste of the Divas load out of his mouth?

  22. Big Stretch says: Dec 21, 2009 9:28 AM

    and so begins the Favre december meltdown….another 1 and done coming for the vikes?

  23. Big Stretch says: Dec 21, 2009 9:30 AM

    did you just compare Todd Marinovich to Randy Moss?

  24. JimmySmith says: Dec 21, 2009 9:38 AM

    Childress should have never gotten a head coaching job and the fact that he has survived this long is because of Ziggy doesn’t know any better.
    It will get even more interesting next week when a wounded Bears team gets to play out in the cold, on grass. This will be their superbowl game for this year and the shaken confidence of this Viking team will be on display again.

  25. Bird Man says: Dec 21, 2009 9:39 AM

    One day you really need to reveal the source of your contempt for Childress.

  26. chunky soupy sales says: Dec 21, 2009 9:42 AM

    I did not hear what Chris Carter said about Moss, but he once said he would shoot T O ” boom! take him out back and put a bullet in him.”
    That lazy eyed bitch is crazy.

  27. chunky soupy sales says: Dec 21, 2009 9:43 AM

    I did not hear what Chris Carter said about Moss, but he once said he would shoot T O ” boom! take him out back and put a bullet in him.”
    That lazy eyed bitch is crazy.

  28. Joe in Toronto, Canada says: Dec 21, 2009 9:44 AM

    # Greg from Louisiana says: December 21, 2009 9:25 AM
    If Chilldress was worried about Favre getting hurt, maybe he should have assigned someone to double team Peppers on every play. It sure worked for Carolina on Jared Allen.
    You could see Carolina getting more confident as the game progressed and the Vikings offense was silent. Favre is good but even he cannot throw with Peppers on his back all night. The Vikings were outcoached.
    ==================================
    Bingo!

  29. wydok says: Dec 21, 2009 9:45 AM

    I hope the Vikings can fall to #3 so I can bring my wife, who is a Packers fan, to the Eagles game. It will give her a chance to throw stuff at Brettidict Arnold.

  30. Leto_II says: Dec 21, 2009 9:51 AM

    Out of nowhere, Carolina’s DEF looked all world last night. AP couldn’t run and the Vikes awesome O-line couldn’t keep Peppers from harassing Favre all night. The fact that Chilly wanted to bench Favre in the 3rd quarter in a 7-6 game is ridiculous. It’s also ridiculous that the Vikes didn’t go for the 4th and 5 with 8 minutes left. They were down by 3 scores at that point. Chilly wasn’t trying to win, he was trying to not lose by a certain margin. What an idiot.

  31. JoeSixPack1 says: Dec 21, 2009 9:53 AM

    Topher says:
    December 21, 2009 8:57 AM
    In this instance that player isn’t a 26 year old with 4 years in the league. Its a 40 year old with 20 years in the league and who is the quarterback of a playoff team.
    It isn’t Chilly being a bitch, its Chilly listening to the opinion of a 40 year old man with nearly 20 years experience.
    HEY, that last pick was pathetic. They could have had a contest and drawn a seat number and let a fan do that! It could have been a blind fan at that. At what point was it about Brett Favre and not the team?

  32. stanjam says: Dec 21, 2009 9:54 AM

    Amazing that you are still coming after Randy Moss, especially after the article where you pretty much admitted that he might not have been giving up last week because you didn’t see the coach’s tape. I did see some clips of last week, and saw some interesting things, including Moss blocking downfield for Welker. He was doing his job. Moss played hurt this year, played with a bad back, and he could barely raise his arms.
    Now Moss has a good game, and he makes a simple statement to the press, complaining about their criticism of him, and thanking those who have supported him. What does Florio do? He complains about Moss not taking questions! Why should he? For two weeks now people like Florio et al. have been saying very negative things about the man, despite not having any real evidence. They twist what they see to meet their standards of “sensation.” When they do that why should he take questions? I mean, you are already taking and twisting what he said.

  33. danlinker says: Dec 21, 2009 10:05 AM

    Favre/Vikings 11-3 NFC north division champs. EVERYTHING else does not matter at this point. But as usual florio will try to start something negative in the wake of a positive situation.
    Sorry florio, division champs. And that’s ALL there is to it. Deal with it.

  34. lezmaka says: Dec 21, 2009 10:12 AM

    “Meanwhile, we’re still waiting for ESPN to reconcile last week’s comments from Cris Carter, who called his former teammate’s performance against the Panthers ‘pathetic’ and ‘appalling,’ and the observations of Merril Hoge and Ron Jaworski, who have interpreted the mystical ‘coaching tapes’ much differently.”
    Are you really so stupid as to think that it’s impossible that people in an organization as large ESPN could interpret things differently, even if Cris Carter had seen the same tapes?

  35. Whistler says: Dec 21, 2009 10:13 AM

    Favre should have realized he wasn’t getting the protection he needed, AP wasn’t running the ball well enough to set up the play-action, and they were probably going to lose this game with the Panthers moving the ball better than the Vikings were throughout the game. He’s a twenty year veteran and by now he should have a pretty good feel for how a game is going by the third quarter. Having said that, what a game for the Panthers defense and Matt Moore…. I have a feeling we’ve found our new QB. Hey Mike, can you get a message to Cris Collinsworth for me? I can’t find contact information for him. In his comments last night during the game, the Panthers ran a Wildcat play with J. Stewart during the third quarter. Collinsworth said something about how the Wildcat is now on the way out in Miami so now other teams are picking it up around the league. It’s shocking to me that he doesn’t already know that the Panthers really introduced the Wildcat to the NFL way back in 2006 during a game against Atlanta…. a game the Panthers won primarily on the back of the formation snapping it directly to DeAngelo Williams, a rookie that year. I believe they ran roughly 15-17 Wildcat plays in that game, under OC (you guessed it) Dan Henning (and where is Dan Henning now? hrmmmm oh yeah he went to Miami lol). I’m getting tired of all the analysts who think they know everything about football and every statistic known to man not knowing simple facts like this and giving credit where it’s not really due.

  36. Favre On HGH says: Dec 21, 2009 10:22 AM

    SKOL VIKINGS!
    Everyone saw this coming. I was expecting it but it is still oh so sweet.
    Moss can go over the middle for plays, DeSean Jackson can’t. Moss is just getting old and has a fragile ego.
    What about Vicky being fragile?
    Injured after a carry against Chiefs (bruised ribs?) and didn’t return.
    Hurt his hand against the Falcons.
    Bruised his quad against the 49ers and didn’t return.
    If he wants to be a little b*tch and stop playing after every bruise he is not going to be all that great full time is he?
    Can’t stay on the field playing part time.

  37. Hauschild says: Dec 21, 2009 10:31 AM

    Told you guys countless times – that O-LINE IS SUSPECT!!!
    Ain’t no QB in the NFL that can move the ball with no running game and no protection.

  38. Fan of Football says: Dec 21, 2009 10:34 AM

    I think the Favre haters are going to think it will finally be safe to come out. Fact is that the only reason Chilly wanted to pull Favre out was because he was getting blind sided every play by Peppers. btw, I did notice you kept that peice of info out Mike.
    Fact remains is that the game was almost meaningless. The vikes still hold the 2nd seed.

  39. Fan of Football says: Dec 21, 2009 10:41 AM

    wydok says:
    December 21, 2009 9:45 AM
    I hope the Vikings can fall to #3 so I can bring my wife, who is a Packers fan, to the Eagles game. It will give her a chance to throw stuff at Brettidict Arnold.
    Ted Thompson is going to be there?

  40. Murgen says: Dec 21, 2009 10:51 AM

    Maybe the rest of the league understands now why the Packers kicked him to the curb 2 years ago. Dude became an Egomaniac distraction. Rogers is better anyway and can run.
    I wonder if Chilly is gonna have a little sitdown with Little Lord Farve, and ask him if he can fetch him his slippers after the game. Maybe ask if Brett wants a rubdown too.
    Chilly is Farve’s Bitch.
    Wipe you mouth Chilly, That is disgusting.

  41. wrath4771 says: Dec 21, 2009 10:51 AM

    Well I always said you can blame Mike Sherman for creating the Farve monster, but what did you expect? Childress was a coach hanging by a thread and the minute Farve came to town it was obvious he had Childress by the Chillys. But come on – you’re going to yank Farve when you have the lead? Farve doesn’t get yanked for nothing – he was in there the whole time while throwing six picks against the 2001 Rams and you’re not going to get him off the field while he has a lead. So Vikings fans this is what Packer fans have known during the Rhodes-Sherman era – 4 runs the show. Not Chilly, not Ziggy, not whoever else sits in the office.

  42. bluestree says: Dec 21, 2009 10:53 AM

    And now it may be starting to dawn on Chilly that he has a huge problem. If he can’t control Farve, how will he control anybody else on his team? The Vike spin doctors are having a hard time explaining this one. Making fun of the schism won’t do it, that was yesterday’s news. You see why some Packer fans weren’t all that sorry to see Brett go? It isn’t enough for Brett to win. He’s not going to hand the ball off and manage games, and with AP not producing, he’ll gladly “take the game over”, that fourth quarter pick is just the beginning. The Steelers, the Cards and the Panthers have exposed something that the ’97 Broncos knew, Farve cannot perform with a pass rush in his face.

  43. pushing50 says: Dec 21, 2009 10:55 AM

    I thought the decision by Tomlin was great. If the Steeler’s recover the onside kick, great. If they fail, Green Bay has a short field with a lot of time on the clock. Green Bay took the bait and zipped down the field and scored. Leaving a lot of time on the clock for Ben. The receiver should have caught the ball and sat down. Then Green Bay runs the ball 3 times and chews clock. Instead, they give the ball back to the Steeler’s with plenty of time. There should have been a call for a push off in the end-zone but that wasn’t going to happen in Pittsburgh. Gutless ref’s.

  44. mnmaverick says: Dec 21, 2009 10:56 AM

    I don’t see the big deal, Favre is a competitor whether things are going good or bad.
    He wouldn’t be a leader if he bailed to the bench the minute things didn’t go their way.
    Favre is the reason thye team only has three losses.
    Chilly on the other hand is lucky to have a job.
    He’s been accomplishing less than every coach before him not named Les Steckel.
    It’s a Kevin McHale/Glen Taylor type of deal.
    Ass kissing between owner and GM/coach.

  45. copes cabana says: Dec 21, 2009 10:57 AM

    The Steelers style of offense makes the D tired, and we don’t have the depth to hide that this year. It is still all an offensive problem and the coordinator needs to GO. FIRE BRUCE ARIANS!!! Why when we had the ball in their redzone with 5 min to go were we not even trying to run time off the clock? this is the problem. Not the D, not Special teams. Run the ball, control the clock, win the game. simple concept. In the passing game if one person, lineman or quarterback is having a bad day, it is over. In the running game, if one person is having a bad day (lineman or running back), you simply put in the backup, or run to the other side.

  46. GregO says: Dec 21, 2009 11:01 AM

    Hey Florio are all ESPN analysts supposed to agree on everything? If so it seems like they could save a lot of money by firing everyone but Berman.

  47. lebowski says: Dec 21, 2009 11:03 AM

    Hauschild, Aaron Rodgers seems to be able to move the ball just fine with no running game and no protection.

  48. floriolovesmen says: Dec 21, 2009 11:07 AM

    I know this is a reach, but let’s play devil’s advocate. Maybe Tomling kicked the onside because he knew his defense couldn’t stop Green Bay, and he wanted them to be in field goal position as soon as possible. Thus, giving Rapistberger enough time to successfully move down the field to win the game. Dumb? Yes. But it worked.

  49. Kige Ramsey says: Dec 21, 2009 11:09 AM

    “Now, where’s my damn egg nog?”
    You drink that stuff Florio

  50. Fan of Football says: Dec 21, 2009 11:13 AM

    btw, it is obvious now the Vikes wouldn’t have anywhere close to 11 wins right now without Favre on the team. If it wasn’t for Favre on the Vikes, the Pack probably would have ran away with the Division (they would have also won both games against the Vikes). So thanks Ted Thompson, for giving the Vikes the division crown.

  51. monstermase says: Dec 21, 2009 11:17 AM

    you’re dead wrong about Tomlin, Mike. He’s a head coach, not a cheerleader. It’s not his job to “show faith” in his defense, it’s his job to give his team the best chance to win the game. What defensive player on the field yesterday could look him in the eye and say they felt slighted by the choice? They had given up 35 points already. It wasn’t their day nor is this their season. These are grown men they don’t need their coach to stoke their ego. And the argument that Rodgers is not Manning is a bad one; Rodgers is CLEARLY one of the NFL’s elite already, so don’t down him to strengthen your point. You’re displaying a real lack of knowledge and open-mindedness here. Do you not see that, without Tomlin doing what he did, Pit had NO CHANCE to win?

  52. MN Boise Fan says: Dec 21, 2009 11:19 AM

    For years, “experts” and fans have screamed for coaches to handle QB’s like baseball managers handle their pitching staff. Childress tries to do that last night, and now he gets roasted for it?
    Though the fault is on Chilly/Bevell for last night. Ray Charles could see that the LT needed help. Kliensasser should have been in the game every play to help out. Yeah, it would have limited the offense, but leaving Peppers one on one really limited the offense…

  53. PFTiswhatitis says: Dec 21, 2009 11:19 AM

    You keep beating that Moss horse pricess. Karma is a bitch.

  54. nostreves says: Dec 21, 2009 11:21 AM

    This is Wilf’s fault. He is the dumbass that gave childress the “money for nothing” extension. Childress should be fired just for having Travaris Jackson (T-JOKE) on the team. I wish Wilf would eat the contract for Childress. If not move the damn team!! These welfare-loving-loons in Minnesota aren’t going to give you a stadium anyway.

  55. danlinker says: Dec 21, 2009 11:22 AM

    Not surprised that florio mentions something going up someone’s ass. Always trying to push his lifestyle on us.

  56. ZombieRevolution says: Dec 21, 2009 11:26 AM

    You know- if Florio had any background in the NFL his comments might be worth more than the paper they are not printed on…
    1) Players and coaches have disagreements. The best players are competitive. Joe Montana was known to get into a sideline verbal sparing match with one of the best coaches in the game. We have all seen Peyton Manning wave off the field goal unit. It happens Martha and it’s the big deal you want it to be.
    “Meanwhile, we’re still waiting for ESPN to reconcile last week’s comments…” Wow- ESPN allows its employees to disagree while at PFT all must toe the Florio line….
    “…when Patriots coach Bill Belichick assumed a “what the hell, it’s only a video game” approach on fourth and two…”
    “On Sunday, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin tried the same tactic…”
    A- the Patriots defense were not stopping the Colts- worth the risk. B) The Big Ben threw for over 500 yards, they were moving against the Packer.
    Yep, the lawyer turned paid NFL blogger does it again.

  57. Majik Man says: Dec 21, 2009 11:26 AM

    wydok says: December 21, 2009 9:45 AM
    I hope the Vikings can fall to #3 so I can bring my wife, who is a Packers fan, to the Eagles game. It will give her a chance to throw stuff at Brettidict Arnold.
    ________________
    Sounds like a classy lady. But I guess it would come as no surprise to see fans throw things at Favre in the same city where they threw snowballs at Santa.

  58. sonic27ia says: Dec 21, 2009 11:30 AM

    Believe me, Chilly has done plenty before Favre got there to look like a “buffoon”. He certainly doesn’t need Favre’s help. Case in point, how about trying to provide him with some extra protection, instead of trying to pull him out. Peppers was constantly going one on one…put a TE or have a RB chip him, slide protection that way. Plus, they were UP 7 to 6, battling for home field…it was only the 3rd quarter. Don’t you “play to win the game”…This team has a ton of talent, but a coach that has no idea how to use it properly. Chilly got what he wanted…job security. Hopefully the players can overcome his inability to coach

  59. tjstyles says: Dec 21, 2009 11:37 AM

    1) As a Vikings fan, nothing in this article is a revelation. We all knew that Chilly is a buffoon years ago. We all knew that Favre ran the show since last year when the Vikings tried to trade for him. Childress is a bad coach who has a good team. The Taco Bell Chihuahua could coach these Vikings to 11-3. The sloppy, half-hearted play against the Panthers and Cardinals is the coaches’ fault. He seems ok with sloppy play going into the playoffs.
    2) A lot of these receivers are in lose-lose situations. If TO doesn’t have something nasty to say about his teammates, the media says he is sulking and about to blow. If Moss doesn’t want to talk to the media he is fragile and needs his ego stroked. I am confused as to what these players have to do to get a good story about them from the media. The media has decided that these players cannot change, and they will make sure that the public agrees with them.
    3) Tomlin was right. No other way to say it than that. After the onside kick, his defense DIDN’T stop the Packer’s offense. And, Roethlisberger finished the game with a TD pass with 0:00 on the clock. One single extra play from the Packers would have ended it for the Steelers. Had Tomlin not done the on-side kick, they would have lost. Gotta love getting lambasted for being right.

  60. texasPHINSfan says: Dec 21, 2009 11:38 AM

    I don’t know how you can put this on Childress – You say Childress should know what he was getting into when he lured Favre, but since when has Favre had a history of not listening to his coaches?
    I’m very disappointed in Favre. He has been in the league a long time and should know better. Is he basically saying he is above his coach? Sad.

  61. Zidane Valor says: Dec 21, 2009 11:41 AM

    Andy Reid did the same thing yesterday. He ran up the middle on 4th-and-1 on the Eagles 29 yard line up 7-3 with 1:20 left in the first quarter. But nobody brings it up because (a) it happened in the first quarter and not the 4th or OT, (b) the 49ers failed to score on a possession starting at the Eagles’ 29 [Brown caused Walker to fumble on the 8 yard line], and (c) the Eagles won the game pretty handily.

  62. kyobx says: Dec 21, 2009 11:41 AM

    cvh2009 said
    Lets put this in perspective: It was only the teams third loss, again on the road and on grass, they are in the play-offs. Now that being stated: Favre should have sat his ass down. this easily could get and undoubtedly will get blown way out of proportion, just like Moss in NE. Favre should have had enough sense to realize that heading into the play-offs, that this is exactly what the team does not need. My god, it was just the lowly Panthers. Sit down and prepare for the following week.
    The “lowly” comment you make above should be a larger reason for concern…if you are truly a championship contender, then a “lowly” team shouldn’t dominate as they did last night…of your 11 wins, only 4 have come against teams with winning records…just maybe, the Panthers are not as “lowly” as everyone thinks…or the Vikings are not as good as once thought.

  63. troy brown80 says: Dec 21, 2009 11:45 AM

    watch the highlights of moss when he was in minnesota compared to now. he’s already lost more than a step and still is one of the best in the game.

  64. bluestree says: Dec 21, 2009 11:49 AM

    danlinker says:
    December 21, 2009 10:05 AM
    Favre/Vikings 11-3 NFC north division champs. EVERYTHING else does not matter at this point.
    ____________________________
    Ah, ‘ scuse me pardner, but we got this little thing called the playoffs coming up, and we’ve got this thing called “seeding”. Oh, and mnmaverick and fan of foosball: I don’t think anybody gives a crap about Ted Thompson right now. That was a few months back. This is all about the playoffs, and how much crow you’ll have to eat if the Vikings don’t win. (Not to worry, you’ve got Chilly locked up.)

  65. Randall says: Dec 21, 2009 11:51 AM

    People are surprised? Favre was calling the shots before he even signed his Vikings contract.

  66. Rev. Dr. HollywoodWags says: Dec 21, 2009 11:51 AM

    And the Chattering Class, in between applying their makeup and huffing Brent Farve’s jock, decide a failed onside kick is now a bonehead decision, whereas, if it would have worked, it would have been a decision on par with anything Bill Walsh ever did.
    He had to go for it with the way his defense has broken down this season. Aikman the idiot knew and read some crap aloud on tv that the defense gave up a bunch of 4th qtr leads and he then stupidly questioned the onsides.
    So, kick it deep allowing them to score and chew clock or take a chance and get the ball back, or concede the score with some time left.
    Not quite boneheaded…but hey, you and Olbermann are experts at football.

  67. magarto says: Dec 21, 2009 11:57 AM

    Why has nobody questioned the NFL on why they pushed for Terrell Owens to take questions from the media, and have not taken any action into Randy Moss’ attitude?
    Florio, you should ask Goodell about this

  68. winkel33 says: Dec 21, 2009 11:58 AM

    I am as anti-Favre as anyone, but unless the QB is injured, there isn’t any top tier QB in the game who would quietly go to the bench in the middle of a game they were winning.

  69. Purple People Eater says: Dec 21, 2009 12:05 PM

    Childress is the Ned Flanders of coaching. The ONLY reason he has a contract is Farve! He is a piece of crap for a coach. I have been a fan since Van Brocklin coached and I might end up finally winning a Super Bowl with a coach I cant stand and a Green Bay Packer as a quarterback… talk about bitter sweet!

  70. jamaltimore says: Dec 21, 2009 12:11 PM

    Chilly is an idiot and you can’t understand why a great qb would be asking why he’s getting pulled when they are winning 7-6? Was he going to install the option with Tavrias or maybe he should just call some plays were his guys block the other 10 guys. Only Chilly would pull a hof’who’s winning and not hurt.
    In the end who cares cause their the VIKINGS!

  71. mixman34 says: Dec 21, 2009 12:16 PM

    Haters can blame Favre all they want. That O-Line got completely owned. Needs to be fixed NOW.

  72. wrath4771 says: Dec 21, 2009 12:19 PM

    I can understand Packers fan apologists for Farve – I mean he was with the team for 17 years, but not 17 games in to his Vikings career and I’m amzed at the Viking Farve apologists. I don’t care if oyu’re the same age or not – the boss tells you to do something and you do it.

  73. stabkoff says: Dec 21, 2009 12:19 PM

    JaMarcus Russell lovers have voted him into the Pro Football Hall of Fame!!!
    Dum@ss is a loser!!

  74. RomoMomentum says: Dec 21, 2009 12:22 PM

    Week 15, The Dallas Cowboys knock off super bowl favorite and the MVP favorite in the undefeated Saints&Brees, yet you don’t mention it in the week 15 aftermath?
    Instead you talk about TMZ-inspired stories in: Randy Moss, Chilly+Favre, THE CLEVELAND BROWNS, a potential playoff matchup that has slim chance of happening and the “Maddenization” of the NFL?
    You REALLY are a Cowboys hater, expect them to somehow drop in your fradulent power rankings this week.

  75. mattitude says: Dec 21, 2009 12:26 PM

    ZombieRevolution says:
    December 21, 2009 11:26 AM
    You know- if Florio had any background in the NFL his comments might be worth more than the paper they are not printed on…
    1) Players and coaches have disagreements. The best players are competitive. Joe Montana was known to get into a sideline verbal sparing match with one of the best coaches in the game. We have all seen Peyton Manning wave off the field goal unit. It happens Martha and it’s the big deal you want it to be.
    ————————————————-
    About the Joe Montana comment, did you just have a brain fart, or did you not know Bill Walsh’s name?
    And yes, Peyton Manning has been guilty of waving the field goal team off the field, but it very rarely resulted in him not converting the down and eventually losing the game.
    What Florio is trying to say, I think, is that when a coach tells a QB to do something, and he says “No,’ then that team has a problem on its hands.

  76. ThePragmatist says: Dec 21, 2009 12:30 PM

    “some are suggesting that wasn’t isn’t broken need not be fixed.”
    Lingo is dead.

  77. Patrian says: Dec 21, 2009 12:33 PM

    Seriously, you can’t mention cowboys over the undefeated Saints yet?
    Are you retarded?

  78. finalnight says: Dec 21, 2009 12:34 PM

    I normally never would post, but this article was idiotic. Favre is one of many players who have argued benching or refused to be benched, oftentimes, the coach has to have the equipment manager hide a players helmet to keep him out. Examples include:
    Kurt Warner
    Peyton Manning
    Cedric Benson
    Andre Johnson
    Joey Porter

  79. Sasquash says: Dec 21, 2009 12:49 PM

    Hey Majik Man sucker,
    Your a loser. Stop bringing up something that happened decades ago. Santa was drunk, thats why we snowballed his ass. The national media loves to rip us so I guess you thought you would put your 2 worthless cents in. EAD!

  80. jd says: Dec 21, 2009 12:56 PM

    Although nfl coaches make plenty of mistakes, they generally have a considerably better understanding of the game than anyone who writes about it. Guys like Tomlin and Belicheck probably have an even more elevated understanding than their peers. They recognize that the game has changed. The rules of when you punt and take risks to retain possession have completely changed. They get it. At some point the media will catch up.

  81. mtman says: Dec 21, 2009 1:01 PM

    Vikings Hater, or should I say Florio, are you dead? All GREAT players don’t want to be benched and when you’re a coach, which obviously you haven’t been, you want your Great players in there to make Great plays. You’re an idiot!
    Why don’t you comment on ice skating!

  82. tjstyles says: Dec 21, 2009 1:05 PM

    Also, I want to comment on why the Vikings lost.
    It is clear to me that Childress had already decided before the game that they would not make much of an extra effort to win this game.
    1) The Panthers did not stuff the Viking’s running game; Childress never tried to set it up. They went with it for a while in the first half, but after trying to take Favre out while up 7-6, the second half for the Vikings opened with 7 straight passing attempts. That next drive when Rush, Pass, Rush, Pass, then 3 more passes to finish off the 3rd. The 4th quarter openned with a rush and had 11 passes to finish the game. Granted, we did not have a break away rush in the first half, but that is how the rushing game goes.
    2) Childress did not use any timeouts during Carolina’s last drive of the 1st half.
    3) Childress tried to pull Favre with a 7-6 lead. That in and of itself tells me that Childress didn’t really care about winning the game.
    4) Childress punted on fourth and 5 down 2 scores with less than 9 minutes left in the game.
    It was clear to me by halftime that Childress didn’t care about the game, and that was without knowing about him trying to pull Favre. If Childress had cared about the game, he would have sent one of the backs right through Peppers a couple of times as he beat McKinney off the ball. He would have set up a couple of screen passes right behind Peppers. He would have kept pushing the run, rather than giving up and letting Favre play from behind.
    Worst of all, the Vikings seemed to know that Childress did not care about the game and were playing like it. Once again the defense was plagued by missed tackles. The offense overall seemed slow and predictable. Favre was really the only player on the field that looked like he wanted to win the game. AP had flashes, but that was about it.
    I think the catch from Steve Smith that Childress had reviewed was a good display of how the Vikings played the game. How the hell was the best player on the Panther’s team THAT wide open? No defender was within 15 yards of him. Even if Smith was standing on the Vikings bench when he caught the ball, he deserved the completion for the ineptitude of the coverage on that play. Inexcusable.

  83. Hap says: Dec 21, 2009 1:08 PM

    Philly ain’t catchin Minne. Philly ain’t even winning their division. Tony Dung-y said they were(both counts), so they are NOT.

  84. The Michael says: Dec 21, 2009 1:13 PM

    “6. Here come the Eagles.”
    Umm, you know they have to play the Cowboys, at Cowboys stadium right? Are you basically saying they will beat the Cowboys?
    Any reason you haven’t mentioned the Saints losing the Boys yet? Just wondering, are we acting like that didn’t happen?

  85. PackFaninPackLand says: Dec 21, 2009 1:23 PM

    It’s funny how Brett Favre is always perceived as the “bad guy” in these instances. And yet, no one questions the sanity of a head coach who wanted to pull his starting QB with a 7-6 lead, while playing for the #1 seed in playoffs, who was something like 12 of 21 (with 4 drops by Viking receivers) and 121 yards, at the time. Can you think of another HEAD COACH in the NFL who would do that ???
    I’d be more concerned if Favre DID want to come out in that circumstance !

  86. Majik Man says: Dec 21, 2009 1:27 PM

    Sasquash says: December 21, 2009 12:49 PM
    Hey Majik Man sucker,
    Your a loser. Stop bringing up something that happened decades ago. Santa was drunk, thats why we snowballed his ass. The national media loves to rip us so I guess you thought you would put your 2 worthless cents in. EAD!
    _______________
    I only brought it up because another Philly fan mentioned throwing things at Favre if the Vikes come to town. But here’s a few more gems from the fans who need a jail in their stadium.
    •In 1999, fans jeered Dallas Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin as he lay on the field for 20 minutes, suffering from a neck injury that ended his career.
    •That same year, fans threw D batteries at St. Louis Cardinals outfielder J.D. Drew, who held out for a year after the Phillies drafted him and eventually signed with the Cards instead.
    •Matthew Scott, the only person in the United States to have received a hand transplant, was asked by the Phillies to throw out the ceremonial first pitch at the team’s home opener in 1999. The pitch, from his transplanted hand, dribbled over the plate. The fans booed.
    •Eagles fans famously blasted Santa Claus with a shower of snowballs at halftime of a game as St. Nick circled helplessly around the field before stadium officials rescued him.
    And didn’t Eagles fans also attack the Hogettes a few years back?
    Stay classy, Philadelphia.

  87. Desides says: Dec 21, 2009 1:28 PM

    “the entire Pittsburgh defense should be feeling even more disrespected by their head coach.
    Put simply, Tomlin didn’t trust them to stop the Green Bay Packers (who at last check weren’t quarterbacked by Peyton Manning) on the Steelers’ home field with the season on the line.”
    Florio, this is because the defense has collapsed. They cannot be trusted to stop anyone. Tomlin made exactly the right call, even if your Steeler fandom won’t allow you to see or admit that the vaunted Steelers defense is not living up to its hype this year.

  88. wydok says: Dec 21, 2009 1:31 PM

    @The Michael:
    I think it’s entirely possible the Eagles could beat the Cowboys in Dallas. It’s not a given, but I don’t think it’s a given the Cowboys will win that game, either.

  89. spliffbunker says: Dec 21, 2009 1:43 PM

    not sure if my comment accidently posted before I was done
    but short version…good for Randy Moss…
    the media is not worth talking to…they are going to twist & spin everything anyway so i think its great to make a statement & ignore questions

  90. mattitude says: Dec 21, 2009 1:44 PM

    The Michael says:
    December 21, 2009 1:13 PM
    Umm, you know they have to play the Cowboys, at Cowboys stadium right? Are you basically saying they will beat the Cowboys?
    ————————————————-
    And before Dallas plays Philly, the Cowboys have to play the Redskins in D.C. I think you’re basically saying that Dallas will roll over Washington, when last time I checked, Romo and company crept away with a 7-6 win in the last 2 minutes of their previous match. Good luck.

  91. gweetarman says: Dec 21, 2009 1:47 PM

    Still nothing in here about how the Broncos went and laid an egg at home against Oakland? Listen, I’m a huge Bronco fan and I really was on the McD bandwagon and I think I still am. But I have doubts now. I think this guy could be great or he could be Brian Billick. The Broncos have two glaring problems….They play conservative and they play undisciplined. Factor that in with a pretty lousy interior offensive line and poor play calling and you have a mediocre team which is what they always are. Just needed to vent. Thank you.

  92. TheGhostofBernieKosar says: Dec 21, 2009 1:50 PM

    does anyone really listen to jim brown? what he thinks means nothing if he isn’t running the show.

  93. SpartaChris says: Dec 21, 2009 1:55 PM

    The Michael says:
    December 21, 2009 1:13 PM
    Any reason you haven’t mentioned the Saints losing the Boys yet? Just wondering, are we acting like that didn’t happen?
    ====================================
    Probably because no one gives a shit about the Cowboys?

  94. Ches says: Dec 21, 2009 1:57 PM

    Well Florio you went 4 for 7 on this one.
    I liked your points on Moss, the Maddenization, the Eagles, and Favre.
    The Madden one was very good.
    However, your BS about the Browns and Dolphins was meh.

  95. Citizen Strange says: Dec 21, 2009 2:05 PM

    Tomlin’s not so smart. He is good at flowery, nonsensical, gobbledygook, doubletalk but not so good at coaching.

  96. SaintsBaby says: Dec 21, 2009 2:09 PM

    With the Vikings losing two of three and the Eagles winning five in a row after winning only five of their first nine, the presumption that the Saints and the Vikings will secure the NFC bye weeks isn’t as clear as it used to be.
    Its pretty clear that the Saints have a bye.

  97. FireJerryJones says: Dec 21, 2009 2:10 PM

    My Attention Deficit precludes me from reading a two page post on Favre.
    Why wouldn’t they have discussed this stratagy before the game?
    Seems like the kind of discussion you would have with an older QB… with two not so important games left on the schedule… and how are you going to keep Breet fresh through the playoffs etc…
    Looks like a case of poor communication.

  98. Deb says: Dec 21, 2009 2:10 PM

    Tomlin isn’t making coaching decisions based on Madden plays. No matter how much Steeler fans want to blame all our problems on Arians–and he does shoulder a lot of the blame–our secondary is pitiful without Polamalu. His absence has highlighted our weakness at corner and lack of depth at safety. The Packers had no trouble moving the ball. Tomlin took a calculated risk, and had Ike Taylor–a corner–played it properly, all would have been well. Am I happy about the call? Not particularly. But I understand.
    Also, it may be nitpicking, but I get tired of hearing comments about the failures of our famed “Steel Curtain.” Our famed Steel Curtain hasn’t been on the field since the 1970s. As good as this d-line has been, it’s not THAT d-line. And without Aaron Smith, it’s not the line that won SBXLIII either.

  99. Bwa Ha Ha says: Dec 21, 2009 2:13 PM

    RE: The Michael,
    We are very aware that the Eagles get another shot at the Cows. If things go the way I think it will go, Eagles win the next game against Denver, Cows lose since they played their SB for this year last weekend, and the game won’t mean anything to the Eagles unless Minnesota slips up.
    So, if that is the case, and the game means nothing to the Eagles, Dallas could win by beating a resting Eagles team. Even that is not a sure thing.
    If not, and the game counts for the Eagles, the Cows will choke.
    BTW, The G-men will take that last playoff spot, courtesy of the Eagles beating the Cows up. The Eagles will end up with the second seed, courtesy of the Giants beating the Vikes.

  100. Bwa Ha Ha says: Dec 21, 2009 2:14 PM

    On the plus side of that last scenario, for the Cows, at least they don’t lose another first round playoff game again.

  101. Doc Holliday says: Dec 21, 2009 2:31 PM

    Florio,
    You are so determined brew nothing outta nothing. Bret’s been winning, and he needs to play. Why are you so determined to bring this legend down, at whatever cost? You really need to get your head out of your ass and quick. Minessotta is damn good football team, and once in a while good football teams do loose; just like the Saints lost to Dallas. It does not mean that Brees is over the Saints coach. Dude your rational just goes to show how full of shit and hatred you have towards Brett. As some punk paid to blog about sports, you are a freakin disgrace!

  102. tjstyles says: Dec 21, 2009 2:41 PM

    Michael – December 21, 2009 1:13 PM:
    Umm, you know they have to play the Cowboys, at Cowboys stadium right? Are you basically saying they will beat the Cowboys?
    Yeah, when was the last time the Eagles beat the Cowboys late in the season? I mean besides the 44-6 thrashing last year. Oh, and the 10-6 victory the year before (in Dallas). And the 23-7 win the year before that (in Dallas). Oh, and the 12-7 victory in December of ’04. And the 36-10 the year before that. And the 27-3 in Dallas in ’02. I mean, since 2000, Dallas won in November of ’05 against the Eagles and have been 6-13 since the turn of the century against the Eagles.
    I am not one to typically cite history as an indicator of what will happen in the future. The teams are much different than they were in 2000. But the Eagles are no free win. They can beat the Cowboys on any given Sunday. When the Cowboys are all clicking and in sync, they are a very hard team to beat. When they are not, they put up games like the 44-6 blowout last year.
    Before you put your life savings on the Cowboys, you should check out the Browns’ winning streak. The only sure bet in Football is that the announcers will say something incredibly stupid.

  103. Rev. Dr. HollywoodWags says: Dec 21, 2009 2:48 PM

    Mr. WVU would rather that “risky” plays be completely removed from the NFL.
    Much like his President says that risk is bad and that we need to remove it from capitalism.
    Dopey.

  104. The Michael says: Dec 21, 2009 2:50 PM

    Oh, believe me, with the way the Cowboys have been playing this year, there is more than enough chance for them to lose to the Skins, as well as the Eagles.
    I just find it humorous that Florio writes as if the Eagles have already won the East. Knowing that the Cowboys are 1 game behind now, and they still have to play each other.
    And, I may be wrong, but, if they both win this week, and the Cowboys beat the Eagles, won’t the head to head go to the Cowboys?
    Not like we have worry about any of that though, it is December. Them beating the Saints was a huge fluke. We should probably disregard that win.

  105. DJ says: Dec 21, 2009 2:52 PM

    “6. Here come the Eagles.”
    Umm, you know they have to play the Cowboys, at Cowboys stadium right? Are you basically saying they will beat the Cowboys?
    Saying it? You might as well guarantee it.
    Do a little research, Corky. Name the last time in the last DECADE the Eagles lost to Dallas in Dallas in December? Hasn’t happened.
    Even when the Pokes had that abberation of 13-3 a few seasons back, guess which one of those losses was an ass raping at home in December?
    Pokes fans are the absolutely the most hilarious ass clown homers on the planet. They never do learn!
    Just waiting for your drum major Vox to open up his hose slurper and post something stupid.
    “Cowboys Stadium”…like it’s the Swamp or something. Please. You lost to the same team that is going to take your playoff dance card in your first friggin game played there.
    Pokes fans. Just keep raising the bar of how to sound like a complete and utter tool.

  106. Whiterhino says: Dec 21, 2009 2:57 PM

    Cowboys fans are the biggest group of whiny pusses in the country. Seriously, their inferiority complex to the Eagles is just embarrassing for them.

  107. stetai says: Dec 21, 2009 3:18 PM

    So a QB up 1 point at halftime didn’t want to sit on the bench? How is this news? You’re all telling me if Peyton or Brady were benched in this scenario they’d be cool with that?
    Instead you should all be asking why Childress was prepared to bench his QB, who didn’t turn the ball over the entire first half, felt that putting T-Jack would’ve won the game in the second half?
    This seems like a pretty irrational move by a coach, rather than focusing on artificial heat on Favre.

  108. stanjam says: Dec 21, 2009 3:26 PM

    The coach should have the final word. It doesn’t matter if you are Farve, and you lose, or if you are the arrogant Manning, and end up making the play. Not doing what the coach says is bad for you, and bad for the team. When you do it, you undermine the team’s confidence in the coach, and instill an atmosphere that says the coach should be listened to, unless you feel strongly otherwise. BAD. Manning hurts his team every time he does it, and Favre hurt his. You should have your opinion, but when the coach makes his decision, you follow it.
    Take this as a lesson to all of us. When your boss asks you to do something that doesn’t make the most sense to you, and you think you have a better idea, you may give your opinion if asked, but if the boss disagrees, and asks you to do things his way, do it! Why? Because on your superiors hang the larger responsibility, and they see a bigger picture. You may not see what they do, and ignoring them may hurt you, him, and your organization. Just like Favre’s baby act hurt him, his team, and chances that the Viking’s may actually go all the way this year. Favre is likely lucky he got out with just the loss. It would be my guess that Childress, seeing the bigger picture, saw his QB, and his post-season chances, getting hammered out there. He saw a large possibility of Favre getting injured, and wanted to pull him to preserve the season. Favre refused. Had he gotten hurt, that likely would have killed the season for the team, all because Favre selfishly wanted to be “the man.”

  109. MSWRavens says: Dec 21, 2009 3:29 PM

    The LEAST likely teams to gain a wild card berth are the Titans and Steelers and Texans based on their piss poor division and conference records…so that 59-0 rematch is FAR from the horizon and will not happen.

  110. cliffcla says: Dec 21, 2009 3:35 PM

    Favre came out of retirement with the promise of him being the unquestioned starter. Benching is not an option.

  111. cvh2009 says: Dec 21, 2009 3:48 PM

    Kyobx:
    The “lowly” comment you make above should be a larger reason for concern…if you are truly a championship contender, then a “lowly” team shouldn’t dominate as they did last night…of your 11 wins, only 4 have come against teams with winning records…just maybe, the Panthers are not as “lowly” as everyone thinks…or the Vikings are not as good as once thought.
    Obviously, it is a concern, as was the loss to the Cardinals. Unfortunately, the Vikes cannot control their sked. Just like they cannot control that the NFC is yet again the weaker conference, as evidenced by the fact that the NFC has 8 teams that are below .500 (including the “lowly” Panthers who have a winning percentage of .429, while the Vikes have a league third-best .786) compared to the AFC that has only four teams below .500. So, yeah, I think my desciption was right on target. And definately give weight to them being a lowly team, if they were not as lowly as everyone believes, then simply they would have a better record in what is a horrible conference. As a matter of fact, this was the Panthers only win against a quality team, other tah the Cardinals, even though Im certain they are proud of the Buccanneer sweep.

  112. Ben Bernanke says: Dec 21, 2009 3:49 PM

    Nice going Florio. Another edition of the media over-hyping a dispute to fill air time, and you’re playing into it as well. FAIL
    Also, you don’t just bench a starting quarterback like Favre/McNabb without penalty. Unless you want to hand out contract extensions…

  113. GUNS527 says: Dec 21, 2009 4:07 PM

    The Vikings certainly wouldn’t be a 11-3 team without Brett. AP gave them hope but you need a QB. TJ & others have proven to be losers, but BF, the ageless old man, knows how to get it done. Childress, the IDIOT, wanted the savior, but he also knew Brett has become a 12 game QB. But, the odds are a whole lot better with him in the game vs not in the game. Childress gave Brett the game ball for 16 games when he wanted him in, barring injury. Maybe he’ll hire some ‘hitmen’ to crack Brett on his knees. That will be the only way to keep Mr Majestic on the sidelines. Childress is feasting off Brett. Leave him in. Benching him was not a good move: wanna make Mr Football mad? Good for you Brett! Put Childress in his place; head coach or not. There appears to be a linesman problem but C can’t see that. BUT, as I am a Packer fan, I always wait for 0-4 to implode again. The season isn’t lost for BF and Co, but let’s hope so!

  114. stop calling brad childress chilly says: Dec 21, 2009 4:09 PM

    just so everyone here knows…..calling brad childress “chilly” has to be just about the gayest thing ever uttered. just stupid. stop it, its really annoying. aside from the fact that nicknames usually come after someone exhibits a measure of success, and childress has had minimal to average nfl success…its just so gay, so please….stop. that is all.

  115. radioboy20010 says: Dec 21, 2009 4:31 PM

    Mindless Brent Gump backers:**
    Please go to your place of employment and tell your boss to go get screwed, that you’re going to do what you’re doing and he can go pound sand.
    This is a job folks. Childress is given command of what to do.
    Perhaps all the MBGB** can perhaps see why Gump wore out his welcome in Green Bay. After running the show post-Mike Holmgren, Gump found he couldn’t push his weight around with McCarthy and had to play within the concept of of what the coach wanted.
    So he says he’s “through” and the two-plus years of charades begins.
    I’m so happy Minnesota now has this prima donna to deal with. It couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of losers.
    Brent: as in “we’ll never forget you…Brent.”
    Gump: as the southern idiot who managed to put himself in the right place at the right time, then began running around the country saying nonsense that was worshiped by people with nothing better to do.

  116. Route36West says: Dec 21, 2009 4:35 PM

    Actually when you think of what Tomlin said it makes sense. You gotta look at how he has talked in the past. Last year in the Superbowl when Fitzgerald scored a long td to take the lead toward the end of the 4th quarter he said” If their going to score thats how you want them to do it, fast”
    So if you know thats Tomlins mindset it makes sense. He knew his defense couldnt stop the Packers. So instead of making them drive the whole field he decide to kick an onside kick. That way he either wouldnt have to give the ball back to the Packers and could seal the game or give the Packers a short field so when they score the Steelers will still have time left to retake the lead.
    It worked at the end of last season down to almost the last second and it worked yesterday at the last second.
    I think if he would have kicked the ball off as usaul the Steelers would have lost.

  117. wahoobob says: Dec 21, 2009 4:40 PM

    We love Jim Brown. The players love Jim Brown. The Browns actually DO have a proud heritage, even if the Palmer/Davis/Crennel regimes aren’t going to be remembered as highlights someday. An effective leader like Holmgren will figure out how to use assets like Kosar and Brown rather than toss them to the curb. Will coming in an throwing these guys out endear him to anybody other than you, Florio? If Mangini did this, you’d call him a chump.

  118. Patrian says: Dec 21, 2009 4:49 PM

    Saying it? You might as well guarantee it.
    Do a little research, Corky. Name the last time in the last DECADE the Eagles lost to Dallas in Dallas in December? Hasn’t happened.
    Even when the Pokes had that abberation of 13-3 a few seasons back, guess which one of those losses was an ass raping at home in December?
    Pokes fans are the absolutely the most hilarious ass clown homers on the planet. They never do learn!
    Just waiting for your drum major Vox to open up his hose slurper and post something stupid.
    “Cowboys Stadium”…like it’s the Swamp or something. Please. You lost to the same team that is going to take your playoff dance card in your first friggin game played there.
    Pokes fans. Just keep raising the bar of how to sound like a complete and utter tool.
    ———————————–
    Just like the Saints were guaranteed to beat the Boys?
    This December has been NOTHING but different.
    The Cowboys have NOT collapsed and Romo has played extremely well the entire month. Dallas’s Defense is FAR superior to any other team in the NFC AND if not for a kicker blowing easy kicks, we would easily have lost only 1 game this month….
    Dallas 31
    Eagles 10

  119. Nobe says: Dec 21, 2009 4:55 PM

    This format is terrible.

  120. .VoxVeritas says: Dec 21, 2009 5:00 PM

    “And before Dallas plays Philly, the Cowboys have to play the Redskins in D.C. I think you’re basically saying that Dallas will roll over Washington, when last time I checked, Romo and company crept away with a 7-6 win in the last 2 minutes of their previous match. Good luck.”
    Saaay, didn’t the Raiders outright BEAT the Eagirls? Yep, just like the Cowboys did. In Philly.

  121. .VoxVeritas says: Dec 21, 2009 5:04 PM

    “Tomlin’s not so smart. He is good at flowery, nonsensical, gobbledygook, doubletalk but not so good at coaching.”
    Beg pardon? When I said that Tomlin was a poor man’s version of Barry Switzer (obviously giving Tomlin way more credit than he deserves, Tomlin’s not fit to polish Switzer’s shoes as a head coach or anything else), I was assured by Steeler fans that Tomlin was a “great coach that did not just inherit a great team”.

  122. Route36West says: Dec 21, 2009 5:05 PM

    You guys all know that Tom Caughlin and Andy Reid have an agreement on the side right?
    Andy helps Caughlin get into the playoffs so he can keep his job as long as the Giants take out a couple of teams during the regular season to help the Eagles position.
    Its going to be no different this year. The Eagles will take out the Cowboys for the Giants so they can get in the playoffs and the Giants will take out the Vikings so the Eagles will get the 2nd seed.
    Then Andy will let Caughlin hang around in the playoffs until he knows Caughlins job is safe and then he will cast him aside like so many devoured chicken wing bones.
    When Mcnabb blew his knee out in 06 I could here Caughlin scream in Joy all the way in South Jersey. He knew in 07-08 Mcnabb would still be healing so he would finally have a chance to win in the playoffs and possibly the SUPER BOWL. And what do you know he did.

  123. .VoxVeritas says: Dec 21, 2009 5:06 PM

    “Cowboys fans are the biggest group of whiny pusses in the country. Seriously, their inferiority complex to the Eagles is just embarrassing for them.”
    Saying that the Cowboys are inferior to the Eagirls is like saying that ribeye steak is inferior to spoiled hamburger meat. Bitch please, the Eagirls don’t even have an overall winning record.

  124. .VoxVeritas says: Dec 21, 2009 5:12 PM

    “Cowboys Stadium”…like it’s the Swamp or something. Please.”
    Well it’s not like it’s “the Swamp” but if the Eagirls can’t beat them in Philly with the refs in their pockets and all t hat home-cooking, what makes you think that they can beat them in Cowboys Stadium? That’s the name of the place, you know. The Eagirls craphole is named after a frigging bank. That’s why it’s not called “Eagirls Craphole”. The Cowboys’ state of the art stadium is named after the team. For all of the talk about the Cowboys’ troubles in December, they have been to the “promised land” many times… the Eagirls have choked each and every season away since you’ve been alive, and probably since your father’s been alive, too.

  125. DJ says: Dec 21, 2009 5:19 PM

    “And before Dallas plays Philly, the Cowboys have to play the Redskins in D.C. I think you’re basically saying that Dallas will roll over Washington, when last time I checked, Romo and company crept away with a 7-6 win in the last 2 minutes of their previous match. Good luck.”
    Saaay, didn’t the Raiders outright BEAT the Eagirls? Yep, just like the Cowboys did. In Philly.
    Raiders have beaten 3 other playoff teams including the defending champs.
    Poor little boy blue. Had to change his name because of the flood of emails after he vanishes when his fraud sqaud watches their division lead vanish in less than a month.
    Get ready for the embarrassment at the Crater in Arlington.
    (Shakes head) 1996 and these idiots never learn.

  126. .VoxVeritas says: Dec 21, 2009 5:26 PM

    “You guys all know that Tom Caughlin and Andy Reid have an agreement on the side right?”
    You mean Tom’s teaching Andy how to be a father and how to manage a game clock? What’s Andy teaching Tom, how to slam a dozen Krispy Kreme jelly doughnuts and wash it down with a quart of melted butter in under three minutes?
    “When Mcnabb blew his knee out in 06 I could here Caughlin scream in Joy all the way in South Jersey.”
    I remember that! He blew his knee out stepping out of bounds in a blowout loss at home against the Titans. Your mighty Eagirls were 5-5 at the time. Jeff Garcia came in and saved the season, then Emo McNabb had him run out of town because it was obvious that Garcia was a much better QB than McNabb.

  127. .VoxVeritas says: Dec 21, 2009 5:32 PM

    “Raiders have beaten 3 other playoff teams including the defending champs. ”
    ooooooh. But not the Cowboys. And didn’t the Saints beat the Eagirls 48-22? Now I realize that McNabb didn’t play, but unless they were going to have him play on defense, he wouldn’t have made a difference.
    “(Shakes head) 1996 and these idiots never learn.”
    Yeah. The Cowboys won a Super Bowl in 1996. They always rise up at some point. Always. Maybe this is the year, maybe not, but one things for sure: The Eagirls have been laying down your entire life and you STILL HAVE NOT LEARNED. You’re obviously retarded, you don’t see Lions fans acting retarded like Eagirls fans year after year. You don’t see Browns fans acting retarded like Eagirls fans year after year. You don’t even see Bills fans doing it, and the Bills have accomplished waaaaay more than the Eagirls in the Super Bowl era.

  128. DJ says: Dec 21, 2009 5:32 PM

    Well it’s not like it’s “the Swamp” but if the Eagirls can’t beat them in Philly with the refs in their pockets and all t hat home-cooking, what makes you think that they can beat them in Cowboys Stadium?
    Simple. Whether it’s Texas , Cowboys or any other corrupt establishment that Jerruh extorts a nine figure naming rights deal from to plaster it’s name on that friggin crater, Eagles have shown in the past decade one thing: THEY OWN DALLAS WHEN IT MATTERS THE MOST. History doesn’t lie, Vox. Spin it all you want. No matter who they have at QB or what patsy at coach Jerruh wants to puppet, when they absolutely gotta have it, Eagles absolutely jam it up Jerruh’s ass with authority.
    Expect more of the same.
    With authority.
    And please spare the rest with your selective history rhetoric. That “state of the art” stadium has no name on it because noone will pay Skelator the unconscious ransom demands that he wants to put it there. Common knowledge, Corky. Do some research.
    44-6
    Same coach
    Same QB
    Enjoy.

  129. .VoxVeritas says: Dec 21, 2009 5:35 PM

    Hey Eagirl fans, don’t forget that Wade Phillips has a winning record against the Eagirls since he became head coach of the Cowboys. 3-2.

  130. DJ says: Dec 21, 2009 5:35 PM

    Jeff Garcia came in and saved the season, then Emo McNabb had him run out of town because it was obvious that Garcia was a much better QB than McNabb.
    Hey Vagina,
    Chew on this:
    In one HALF of a season, Garcia has more playoff wins than Mr. Simpson does in starting FIVE.
    Thanks for playing.

  131. DJ says: Dec 21, 2009 5:40 PM

    You mean Tom’s teaching Andy how to be a father and how to manage a game clock? What’s Andy teaching Tom, how to slam a dozen Krispy Kreme jelly doughnuts and wash it down with a quart of melted butter in under three minutes?
    LOL. Hello, Pot. Meet Kettle?
    Like Phillips is svelte.
    Such an assclown.

  132. THEpackersAREwhere? says: Dec 21, 2009 5:40 PM

    Why does this story keep moving up on the postings list? It was posted this morning and now its at the top of the list again?

  133. hayward giablommi says: Dec 21, 2009 5:41 PM

    @ .VoxVeritas
    what’s with the “dot”VoxVeritas?

  134. CKL says: Dec 21, 2009 5:45 PM

    Tony Dungy is now 0-2 when saying team A has no chance to beat team B. He said it about Dallas and he said it about Carolina.

  135. Bigbluefan says: Dec 21, 2009 6:01 PM

    Now for the good news the Vikes will not win the SB with that gray haired old man at the helm
    and Vox you suck

  136. Newtrocknee says: Dec 21, 2009 6:01 PM

    (To the tune of the Rolling Stones “19th Nervous Breakdown)
    Here it comes…
    Here it comes…
    HERE IT COMES!
    HERE IT COMES!
    Here comes Brett’s annual December breakdown!

  137. DJ says: Dec 21, 2009 6:04 PM

    ooooooh. But not the Cowboys. And didn’t the Saints beat the Eagirls 48-22? Now I realize that McNabb didn’t play, but unless they were going to have him play on defense, he wouldn’t have made a difference.
    Well, it does matter when you have a 4 pt game at the half and your backup qb commits back to back turnovers on successive possessions turning a close game into a blowout, including a pick returned 97 yds for a TD.
    What was the Pokes record without Romo last year?
    Oh that’s right. It didn’t matter.
    Romo himself shit the bed in the end anyway.

  138. DJ says: Dec 21, 2009 6:06 PM

    Hey Eagirl fans, don’t forget that Wade Phillips has a winning record against the Eagirls since he became head coach of the Cowboys. 3-2.
    Really?
    So, what’s his record in the playoffs?
    Oh……that’s right..

  139. planktonDisciple says: Dec 21, 2009 6:14 PM

    enough Moss bs. he’s 5th in yds with 1144. he’s 2nd in tds with 10. he’s 12th in catches with 74. he;s near the top in yards per catch for any receiver with 70 or more catches at 15.5.
    For his career he avg 1195 yards, 12 tds, 15.6 yds per catch, and 76.4 catches.
    Seems to me that Randy is doing very well for a 12th year wide receiver.

  140. .VoxVeritas says: Dec 21, 2009 6:15 PM

    “what’s with the “dot”VoxVeritas?”
    Won’t let me log on so I made another name.
    First this:
    “Eagles have shown in the past decade”
    Then this:
    “And please spare the rest with your selective history rhetoric.”
    You’re an idiot.
    “History doesn’t lie, Vox.”
    Right. History states that the Eagirls are one of the very few losing franchises in the NFL. History states that when it matters most, the Eagirls have never been up to the task. History shows that Eagirls fans are the dumbest animals on the planet.
    “That “state of the art” stadium has no name on it”
    It’s got a name. It’s called “Cowboys Stadium”. The last stadium was called “Texas Stadium” and Jones made more money off of it than any other team could dream of, and never had to change the name of the stadium. Now I’m not saying that he’ll never sell stadium naming rights, but I will tell you that he won’t do it unless he gets an amount commensurate with the lofty privilege of a company having it’s name associated with such a stadium and such a team. We’re talking 8 figures per year, minimum. But in the meantime, he’s making plenty of money off the stadium. The Eagirls get like $7 mil per year to call their toilet “Lincoln Financial Field”. Jerry Jones gets more than that for corporations just to hang some banners inside his stadium. AmEx, PepsiCo, American Airlines, Miller Brewing, Bank of America, Dr. Pepper, Ford etc. Last I read they all pay a minimum of $8 million per year for signage considerations.
    “Like Phillips is svelte.”
    He’s not, but most of Wade Phillips’ fat is around his waist, not between his ears. Get Andy under 400 and then we’ll talk about how fat he’s not.
    “In one HALF of a season, Garcia has more playoff wins than Mr. Simpson does in starting FIVE.”
    You don’t play playoff games during the season. Eagirls fans continue to prove themselves to be the dumbest animals on the planet. “DJ” must stand for “dumb juice”.
    20-16.

  141. newcaymanS says: Dec 21, 2009 6:20 PM

    Some of you are 100% haters which puts you in a 100% LOSER category. I’ve read several statements here about Peyton Manning being arrogant. REALLY? Exactly what have you been watching for the last 12 years? He is the most professional, level headed athelete in America. He always gives credit to his team-mates and is a strong supporter in both the Indianapolis and New Orleans’ communities. When Katrina hit, the Mannings paid out of their own pockets to have semis loaded up with supplies sent to New Orleans, oh yeah, they were there PERSONALLY to unload them and help those unfortunate people too. Really, whenever I read such juvenile nonsense from the lowest common denomenators (you haters) I wish you’d do us all a favor and kick the chair out from under yourself and end it.

  142. ftomeo says: Dec 21, 2009 6:48 PM

    The format for these posts MUST change. #1 is typically longer than a long post on its own. Each # is typically as long and as comment worthy as a full post. You update it with additional #s over several hours throughout the day which means if you want to post on #2 you have to do so after 50 comments related to #1. You don’t know how to use a jump link after an introductory graf or two.
    Either make the post MUCH shorter and post all points all at ONCE or make them separate posts. There is ZERO value to compressing it into one post drawn out over several hours.

  143. DJ says: Dec 21, 2009 6:54 PM

    Like fish in a barrel with this idiot.
    “And please spare the rest with your selective history rhetoric.”
    Key word: SELECTIVE. Your dumbass goes back to IRRELEVANT history of more than DECADES AGO.
    The last decade IS relevant to the topic in large part because the head coach and QB for Philadelphia have been the same and your circus of franchise in the same amount of time has changed them multiple times over. Any connection between that and the fact your franchise haven’t won a playoff game in 14 years? Any at all?
    Nah.
    Any relevance of how imbecile Cowboy fans (present company included) double as magicians as they disappear and reappear when they can run their mouths before the inevitable collapse and replacing of the QB and head coach for the 8th and 5th time, respectively, in those 14 seasons past?
    Not at all.
    Just more and more babble from yet another Cowboys drone that writes checks his ass can’t cash.
    Don’t kid yourself, Vox. Then again you buy all the bullshit that comes out of Valley Ranch so keep it up.
    When naming rights to stadiums were being sold less than a decade ago,no one wanted to get the naming rights to that shithole in Irving because it was just that: A shithole. Just because you put a dress on a whore, the fact remains: She’s still a whore.
    I couldn’t care less who gets the naming rights, AC. I just know that JJ (admitted by HIMSELF on national TV) is so up to the eyeballs in the red, he looks like he smokes weed hourly. He NEEDS someone to sign that check and soon.
    And all that prattle about signage, I couldn’t care less. It’s his crater; let him plaster and overcharge as much as he wants. Too bad the product on the field isn’t going to be the selling point that he thought it would be.
    And a sign for AMEX or Pepsi still won’t help the fact that team still chokes at the end.
    No matter how much you think it does.
    And anytime you want to compare Phillips and Reid’s professional accomplishments, let me know
    And we BOTH know that’s not happening.
    So make all the fat jokes you want. You just sound like the bigger tool in the end ( if possible)
    You don’t play playoff games during the season.
    That’s why Romo doesn’t win a damn thing. He doesn’t play ANY games during the season like the playoffs.
    Then again….maybe he does.
    Garcia was 5-1 and a playoff win in ’06. Backup QB can get a playoff win and a 5 year starter can’t GET ONE.
    Pathetic.

  144. p ditty says: Dec 21, 2009 6:57 PM

    Chilly tried pulling Farve because he is audibling way too much for a team with AP.
    The loss last nite is squarely on Farve. With the lead in the 2nd half he repeatedly called off run plays, and instead tried to throw while the OL couldn’t block. Good luck with the cancer Minnesota.

  145. stnmmc says: Dec 21, 2009 7:02 PM

    Tyrone Carter- Crap
    William Gay- Crap
    Ryan Clark- Crap w/o Troy to cover his ass
    Ike Taylor- Crap, but not tested much because Gay is bigger crap, though his one test, of patience, was failed last night.
    This secondary would scare a pop warner team, maybe, the way it is now. McFadden has not been replaced, and you cannot replace Troy. Without Smith taking on extra blockers Harrison cannot do what he did last year. The thing about LeBeau’s defense is that it is highly reliant on having the proper players to utilize the scheme, and we frankly do not have those guys right now.
    I am not trying to use injuries as an excuse, all teams deal with it. But you cannot look me in the eye and convince me that our starters and backups in the secondary are close to NFL caliber at this point.
    And, Packer fan, I feel good for you today after all the Vikes fans ripped into you following the loss to the Steelers. Someone said it above….karma is a bitch

  146. spyboots says: Dec 21, 2009 11:33 PM

    Remember when Chuck Noll had no confidence in his punter and kicker in Super Bowl X (a missed field goal and a blocked punt), so instead of punting, he ran the ball on 4th down, knowing that the defense would stop the Cowboys. Nobody said THAT was a bad call.

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