With Mike Holmgren making a much-anticipated return to the NFL by accepting the position of President of the Browns, Holmgren has his work cut out for him.
So he should make a list.
We’ve given him a starting point. Right here, at SportingNews.com.
SportingNews.com: Big Show's to-do list
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on December 22, 2009, 6:17 AM EDT
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I’m still amazed so many more people here are now in favor of bringing Mangini back over the past two weeks.
Jim Mora or Jim Zorn? Really? Please just shut up now and don’t say anything else. Ever. You just keep embarassing yourself.
I eagerly clicked this link, ready to read an interesting story- but then I realized it was just the anti-Browns biased Florio, whoring his work for another website
Just kidding Mike (except for the part about you being anti-Browns biased. That’s as sure as tomorrow’s sunrise).
PurpleNGold says:
December 22, 2009 7:02 AM
nice hair, Florio
waxed and buffed to a gloss shine
new nickname – Helmut
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Nothing than having a good laugh at the beginning of the day. Thanks, Purp!
Congrats Dickless. Another boring, repetitive anti-Browns article.
So since Cleveland should fire Mangini, I guess you’re writing the “Fire: Haley, Morris, Schwartz, Mora and Spagnuolo” article now, right?
Douche Bag.
After reading your first point, I knew right away that, for the most part, you’re making judgements based on what you see on the surface. I’m not pro or con Mangini – because I’m not in the locker room or meetings. That’s what Holmgren will need to do to make a fair assessment. But the part that really got me was the line (I’m paraphrasing), …’and what if in the second year Mangini is successful, then it will be really hard to fire him.’ WHAT?!!! Isn’t that what a team wants?! A successful coach?! It seems to me that you don’t want Mangini to be coaching at all; whether he’s successful or not.
This is like those lame year-in-review pieces that will be all over the place in the next week. You just took all of your canned takes and recycled them into a “new” article.
You know your peer wrote the other day how silly it seemed that Haley would be out after one year. Too bad that standard isn’t equally adopted at PFT.
While i agree with firing Mangini,paying Cribbs and trading jerome harrison. THE worst thing he could do is fire Bernie,are you insane? Do you realize if he did that everybody here would hang Holmgren by his balls the next day and want him fired.That guy is so loved in these parts he is almost a god to the football fans.Do u remember what happened to Belicheck when he released him?
Mangini will stay. No way Lerner hired Holmgren wothout addressing Mangini. And no way Holmgren fires a guy that just started winning with a team full of no names that is riddled with injuries.
He may be on a very short leash – but he will be here next year.
Holy crap… I sure am glad Florio is sitting in his mom’s basement with an NBC banner behind him, and NOT running an NFL team.
I now have a “new” theory of your unwavering hatred for Mangini… and I dont think its hatred at all.
I think your on the “short list” of national level contacts that are paying Phil Savage back favors for all the crap he fed you during his stint in Cleveland as your “league source”. Your right behind that highly regarding, national, all sports publication -Rolling Stone.
Mangini inherited a crap sandwich, and spent the better part of the year getting rid of most of the crap, and trying to get what was left over to buy into his system… they finally have… and its showing on the field.
If you do a little research Florio, you will find that the recent show of improvement is right in line with other traditional (complete) rebuilds with past teams…. ahh never mind, research is way to hard.
He has it all figured out to fix the browns! Jerome Harrison’s career day doesn’t count because it came agains the chiefs?! Mangini got the browns off the snide and beat pittsburgh, snapping a 12 game losing streak with practice squad players and waiver wires! The browns have won 2 in a row, giving them a record of 3-11, in a season where the “experts” predicted them 2-14, and they still have 2 remaining! Focus on reporting the news please and leave the football decisions to more qualified ppl.
@bigtrav425 – and this is why your team is consistently losing. Jim Brown and Bernie Kosar have no business being involved in the football operations of the Clowns. They should be in a suite watching and cheering like everyone else. They have undermined the authority of every coach and GM this lousy team has had since its reinception.
But then again, keep them involved. It almost gaurantees that the Clowns will stay as the doormat of the AFC North.
Depending on the level of importance you think PR is to a football organization, getting Kosar and Brown to buy into what, how, and why you’re doing what you’re doing might be a better move than getting rid of Kosar and quieting Brown.
Be carful what you say to him now, he will soon be one of the worthless media hacks to vote on H.O.F. inductees. He will take revenge on all browns fans one day, by voting in only Steelers.
ppdoc13-
Amen to your last comment. I’m a Browns fan and I get sick of seeing/hearing these two stick their noses in team business time and time again. Only a fool would think these two don’t have anything to do with some of management’s knee-jerk reactions that are built to immediately satisfy the fans…but always fail in the long run.
Man, there are a lot of bitchy and cranky people posting today. Geez, lighten up.
As for Mangini, I can understand why it would be necessary to fire him. He has a body of work as a head coach that is not impressive, and he can’t use his years with the Patriots anymore, as a reason for why he should be retained. Above and beyond that, his year with the Browns has been controversial to say the least.
It wouldn’t shock me if Holmgren wanted to make a clean sweep in the management department and start all over again. That would be the logical thing to do.
The QB situation is a whole other matter. I think it is far too early to get concerned about the QB situation. All anyone has to do is take a look at the Bears and all that they gave up to the Broncos for a starting QB that has now thrown for the Bears twenty-five interceptions.
Happy Holidays to Mike, Joe, and the rest of the PFT staff.
Nice list, Florio, but I actually don’t agree with unilaterally firing Mangini, Brown or Kosar.
What I would do if I were Holmgren (instead of some dude typing on the Internet) is sit those three guys down one at a time, lay out my plan and vision for the team and give them a choice: “You either buy in 100 percent or there’s the door.”
Mangini has more than his share of faults as a coach, but he’s also been saddled with two incompetent quarterbacks this whole season. Seriously, these last two Browns wins have not come because of Quinn but in spite of him. Against the Steelers it was because of a gutsy defensive performance and the Chiefs was the running game. Quinn was a liability in both cases. Derek Anderson is, well….Derek Anderson.
I’d like to see what Mangini could do with another off-season of rebuilding and a decent quarterback under center.
Addendum to my last comment: I admit to having a certain soft spot for the Browns and the other loser organizations around the league. I’m a Raiders fan, so I fully understand the pain and frustration.
bigtrav425 says: December 22, 2009 8:37 AM
“While i agree with firing Mangini,paying Cribbs and trading jerome harrison. THE worst thing he could do is fire Bernie,are you insane? Do you realize if he did that everybody here would hang Holmgren by his balls the next day and want him fired.That guy is so loved in these parts he is almost a god to the football fans.Do u remember what happened to Belicheck when he released him?”
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Yeah, Belichick went on to coach the Patriots to three SB wins.
Hey Florio how exactly do you propose the Browns trade Harrison. Once the CBA gets re-done (and it will) he is an unrestricted free agent. Doubt too many teams in the off season are gonna trade for a guy they will be able to sign in the off season. If your gonna Browns bash at least get the facts straight.
larrydawg says:
December 22, 2009 8:24 AM
A) After reading your first point, I knew right away that, for the most part, you’re making judgements based on what you see on the surface.
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Typical of both Florio and a LOT of the people who post on Browns stories here. It’s 100% obvious that the majority of them form their opinions based on soundbites and recycled blurbs. Very little that is expressed here comes from people who follow the team intently, reading all the local Cleveland media, the practice and inside info found on places like The Orange and Brown Report or the CBS Sportsline Rapid Reports. A good example of this is all the posters in the last week or so who keep yammering on about how Holmgren was a terrible GM in Seattle and how he’ll be a terrible GM in Cleveland. These numbnuts are basing their opinions on speculation from weeks ago, when Holmgren’s name *was* mentioned as a possible GM candidate. Anyone who has paid more than passing attention (which doesn’t stop them from making highly opinionated posts) in the past couple weeks knows he was a a candidate for president of the club. They are clueless as to what’s really going on- and what’s going on right now… and that includes Florio.
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B) But the part that really got me was the line (I’m paraphrasing), …’and what if in the second year Mangini is successful, then it will be really hard to fire him.’ WHAT?!!! Isn’t that what a team wants?! A successful coach?! It seems to me that you don’t want Mangini to be coaching at all; whether he’s successful or not.
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Exactly. I take it you’re familiar with Florio’s daily Mangini-bashing articles that have gone on since he was hired by Lerner, and that have only diminished in the last couple of weeks because the Browns have won. The daily Mangini bashing got to the point where you may have thought Mangini must have egged Florio’s house or out-drum-solo’ed Florio’s kid or something…
Mike what are your thinking? Too much pumpkin pie and eggnog I suppose. Anyway, I was with you all the way until you suggested either Mora or Zorn as the new Browns coach. Killed your cred right there, dude. S’cuse me, but what success have either of them had? Why would Holmgren hire either of them when he has a disaster of a coach right now? As a newly hired prez, wouldn’t you search for a coach with a track record of success and wins? Of the current crop of coaching becoming available at the end of the season, and adding Lovie Smith, Dick Jauron, et al, there isn’t a single guy I would pursue from that group. Maybe an assistant or someone from the college ranks should be his choice.
Actually a few decent ideas in there (shut Jim Brown up; trade Harrison; shut Lerner up), but offset by unoriginal ideas that have been voiced by everyone else, so why waste our time? (pay Cribbs; figure out the QB situation, hire a head coach).
A bunch of garbage as well
- still trying to instill the idea that Mangini alienates all of his players, which makes no sense considering the team is playing harder for him than they have in years. You continue to try to drive that idea into your reader’s heads without any basis. Congrats though…some of your d-bag readers believe it and consider it fact!
- get rid of Kosar? on what basis? no one is making Bernie a GM, but the guy knows football and loves Cleveland. Give him a low level job and let him prove his worth. QB Coach? Why not, no QB got more out of less than Bernie did.
- Kokinis is non-news. He is going to get his money and no one cares. Looks like you were running out of ideas
Overall not the worst article you’ve writte as there ARE a few valid and fresh points in there, which is more than I can say for most of your dribble. That said, we’re the dummies, because we keep reading….
I like how the browns are working together right now. On the other hand keeping Mangini as the head coach has it;s pros and cons. Sure he making the team work extra hard> But that’s whats making them tough to play right now. Holgrem will bring in his pompus holier then though bullshit with him to make it worse. Sorry guys Holmgren doesn’t walk on water. Maybe hire a coach like Bill Cower, offer him lot’s of money and control and pull him off that lame CBS football program. You don’t want him to be a wash-up like those other 4 on the show. Run Bill……………Run
Yeah, Lets trade away our most abled RB we’ve had in possibly 10 years. When Jamal lewis put up 280+ on us he was the best running back ever, But harrison does it against another lesser team and it doesn’t count. Let’s NOT create another position that we need to draft and use our picks on important spots. Like the left side of the O-line, Linebackers and our secondary. That article is just more Biased Mangini hating anti-browns garbage from Florio. I love the “Tell Randy Lerner To Not Talk To The Media”. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!…..The reporters in Cleveland would give their left nut to get Lerner in front of a camera, Why?…Because he already doesn’t talk to the media…What a moron!
I meant the right side of the O-line…I suppose it would be pretty dumb to replace joe thomas
I am amazed between listening to local talk and occasionally reading these blogs. trickbunny had it nailed because none of you know anything and should drop the illusion that you are football experts.
Everyone has a fix but yet I am not hearing reports about any of you getting offered jobs in any level of football. Just a bunch of lemmings following the most uniformed loser on the web in NFLio.
Fagio can’t even write his own article and instead posts a link. I understand this is pro football talk and is based on opinion but I would still like to see stats especially from the initial poster to see if they have any idea what they are actually talking about. Fudgeio’s year in review or wasted bandwidth, whichever you want to call it.
Maybe the next post by Fadio will be about the curse on the city of Cleveland which would actually have more validity than most of the other spewing that comes out of his keyboard.
Art Modell owned the team and was one of the worst businessmen in the history of the city of Cleveland and the NFL’s solution, let him move the team. Then the NFL approves the Lerner family as the next owners of the team and they have a hands off approach but the problem being they hire the top guys which have all been busts to this point. I like not hearing from the owner, just sign the checks and watch the games. Just like most management in large corporations, they have no idea how their business works. This is similar to the writing’s of Fartio. Seems that no matter how bad it stinks everyone needs to know about it.
Any business that has suffered and brings in new management will take time to turn around. The gamble is in how long you wait before deciding if the decision was correct. We live in an instant era where someone sneezes halfway across the world and the rest of us know about it. We want instant results without having all the information otherwise known as Twitter. Cell phones, fax machines, email, My Space, Facebook etc…….if you can’t get a life update in under five minutes you are so disconnected and whenever something doesn’t work fix it now.
The trouble is folks, real life doesn’t work that way.
Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!!
How do you expect anyone to take you seriously ? Your opinions are so biased & skued ,not to mention inacurate ( how can you trade a free agent ). Hire Mora or Zorn…please ! You really have no idea whats going on with this team and you continue to make an ass of yourself everytime you comment about the Browns. Why not try watching Sundays Steeler highlites with your pants down, it will help you blow off some of that anger.
Mangini is owed 13 million on his contract, who will pay him that money not to coach.
Hey trickbunny – Hilarious! I think Mangini did both; egg his house and out solo’ed his kid on the drums. But what really put him over was after beating his kid on the drums, he smashed Florio Jr.’s kit – ala Keith Moon!