The good news for the Vikings: Eight of their players made the Pro Bowl.
The bad news: The way the team is playing right now, all eight should be available to play in Miami a week before the Super Bowl.
Here’s the NFC team, starters first, with assorted comments. We tackled the AFC earlier.
QB: Drew Brees, Brett Favre, and Aaron Rodgers are in. You know the NFC is loaded with quarterbacks when Eli Manning is a fourth alternate during a career season. Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, and Donovan McNabb all had great years too.
RB: Adrian Peterson, Steven Jackson, and DeAngelo Williams. It’s difficult to make the Pro Bowl as a running back on a one-win team, so kudos to Jackson. Frank Gore and Ryan Grant were left off the team for Williams.
WR: Larry Fitzgerald, DeSean Jackson, Sidney Rice, and Miles Austin. Both Austin and Rice never had a season with more than 400 yards before this one. Both Steve Smiths, Marques Colston, and Roddy White are not amused.
TE: Vernon Davis and Jason Witten. Davis’ breakout season kept Tony Gonzalez off the team. Brent Celek and Kellen Winslow also performed well in a big year for tight ends.
Tackle: Jason Peters, Bryant McKinnie, and Jon Stinchcomb. Not a great year for left tackles, but the starters are still a surprise. McKennie’s pick seems particularly insane. Stinchcomb has come a long way in his career.
Guard: Steve Hutchinson, Jahri Evans, and Leonard Davis. Evans is deserving, and it wouldn’t have been a surprise to see his teammate NFL Matchup favorite Carl Nicks make the team.
Center: Andre Gurode and Shaun O’Hara.
Defensive end: Jared Allen, Julius Peppers, and Trent Cole. Will Smith and Andre Carter also had big years, but hard to argue with these choices.
Interior Linemen: Kevin Williams, Darnell Dockett, and Jay Ratliff. Albert Haynesworth and Pat Williams were left home. Aubrayo Franklin of the 49ers was a big snub.
Outside linebacker: DeMarcus Ware, Lance Briggs, and Brian Orakpo. Vinny Cerrato did something right before he left.
Inside linebacker: Patrick Willis and Jonathan Vilma. A long way from first to second. Nick Barnett also had a nice season for Green Bay. And no London Fletcher again.
Cornerback: Charles Woodson, Asante Samuel, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. No Antoine Winfield here. We suspect the Eagles would take Sheldon Brown over Samuel if they had to choose.
Free safety: Darren Sharper and Nick Collins.
Strong safety: Adrian Wilson. Pro Bowl honors are overdue for Wilson, although his best days came before the Cardinals were any good.
Kicker: David Akers. A great comeback season after some down years on field goals.
Punter: Andy Lee
Kick returner: DeSean Jackson (So does he get paid twice for the game?)
Special teamer: Heath Farwell
No Falcons, Bucs, Seahawks, or Lions were used in the making of this Pro Bowl team.
But Bryant McKinnie is terrible?
Congrats to Rodgers for earning his first Pro Bowl. He has well earned a spot on that roster.
So glad Thompson kicked old man Favre to the curb to give Rodgers a chance.
only 9 players from teams who did not make the playoffs on the NFC Roster,
32 players from teams who made the playoffs on the same Roster…
(Kinda Ridiculous)
Why don’t we all you know watch the playoffs instead of the Pro Bowl…?
I think every team should be represented, and the rosters should be expanded to make this possible if necessary!
Taking off third downs does not get you a trip to the Pro Bowl. Wonder how much in bonuses that stunt has got Haynesworth? Me, I am lovin’ it.
Jason Witten sucked this year for my fantasy team
Yes, good job Ted. 5 years, 52 draft picks, and his second Pro Bowler. Quite the draft guru.
Seriously though, Rodgers did deserve it. Congrats to him. Even with his penchant for holding the ball too long, he played well.
Center: Andre Gurode
stomp on that!
I’m curious as to how Percy Harvin was snubbed in favor of DeSean Jackson as the NFC’s KR. That is a joke! No question about it.
Jackson returned only 1 kick all year for 0 yards while Harvin trailed essentially only Cribbs in terms of effectiveness and quality as a KR. Sure Jackson returned punts, though he was far less active or effective as a returner.
Per NFL.com:
Harvin: 42 returns, 1156 yards, 27.5 avg, 2 TDs, 27 20+ yards, 5 40+ yards, 0 fair catches, and 0 fumbles
Jackson: 27 returns, 432 yards, 16.0 avg, 2 TDs, 7 20+ yards, 3 40+ yards, 15 fair catches, and 1 fumble
So they both had 42 opportunities for returns, and Harvin was clearly superior at the role. Besides the obvious glaring difference in yards (+724 in Harvin’s favor), Harvin had a whopping 20 more returns of 20+ yards than Jackson did and not once did he give it back to his opponents.
The kid got screwed and it’s sad. There’s no two ways about it.
Brent Celek had a better year than witten, Sheldon Brown had a better yr than cromartie, Trent Cole had a better yr than Peppers. Jamal Jackson, had a better yr than O’hara. That’s 3 more players the birds should have had on the Pro-bowl roster. What a sham.
Isn’t there negative correlation between the number of pro bowlers and SB appearances? Seems to me the team with the most PBs never makes it…
McKinnie’s play overall this year was good (not great but good) stop basing judgement on the last few games. His selection is no more “insane” than Peters. The top end talent at this position in the NFC is definately down this year.
Tuck has had an off year – Rosenthal, do you actually watch the NFL?
Andre Carter could have, and probably should have replaced Peppers. What DT would you have replaced with Franklin?
DBL -
While I agree with you players from good teams get far more recognition while players from mediocre to bad teams get overlooked, placing someone on the Pro Bowl roster based on who he plays for (his team’s rep) rather than his accomplishments is the same system you are complaining about – only in reverse.
As a Viking fan, McKinnie getting selected doesn’t look good. He has been bad at times this year. Allen and Williams have been non-existent from time to time as well. It’s hard to argue one way or the other but I guess it goes to show what name recognition can get ya. The other selection that I don’t think makes sense is Jason Witten. He has one TD while Celek has 8 and Gonzales has 6.
Both Celek and Gonzalez > Witten. 1 TD from Witten during the season and he makes the Pro Bowl? Seriously?
How in the world did McKinnie make the team? I admit I only watched five Vikings games, but he was terrible! He was terrible last night and he was terrible the week before. Was he solid to start the year?
Anyhow, as an Eagles fan I must say that the tackles this year in the NFC must be weak, because there is no way I would say Peters played at a pro bowl level. He was solid but not pro bowl solid.
Osterhouse,
Witten killed me in fantasy this year too. There were at least two tight ends (Gonzo, Celek) who were better receivers than him, but I must admit that he deserves to be there. He is a great blocker and had to stay in to help block a lot. I hate Dallas, but respect him.
“Yes, good job Ted. 5 years, 52 draft picks, and his second Pro Bowler. Quite the draft guru.”
Are we going to start this again? Dude, there are at least 4-5 Packers that are future Pro Bowlers. Players like Greg Jennings, Jermichael Finley, Clay Matthews, Johnny Jolly etc.
Wait and see, buddy. Wait and see.
Majik,
what wagon you jumping on next season?
As a Viking fan, McKinnie getting selected doesn’t look good. He has been bad at times this year. Allen and Williams have been non-existent from time to time as well. It’s hard to argue one way or the other but I guess it goes to show what name recognition can get ya. The other selection that I don’t think makes sense is Jason Witten. He has one TD while Celek has 8 and Gonzales has 6.
packers4life says:
December 29, 2009 8:02 PM
Congrats to Rodgers for earning his first Pro Bowl. He has well earned a spot on that roster.
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From a Viking’s fan – congrats to Rodgers, it was well earned (seriously).
So glad Thompson kicked old man Favre to the curb to give Rodgers a chance.
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Again from a Viking fan – so are we!
It’s not a busted experiment if the Vikes don’t get to the Super Bowl as many have claimed. Picking up Favre simply gave the Vikings a better chance at winning period, and that’s all you can hope for with any player.
While it could have been handled better on all sides, it was the best decision for all and worked out the best for everyone as well. No one should be complaining spewing trash.
It is nice too see Sidney up there. I’m also glad that Tahi, John Sullivan and Kluwe didn’t make it. I wish Bryant McKinnie didn’t after this horrid year. Ryan Longwell deserved a spot, but hey it’s kickers.. Heath Farwell would deserve it, if the Special Teams didn’t fail the past few weeks.
Congrats to Rodgers. It must still suck for him to see the man in front of him is the ghost he has been trying to get away from …Mr. Wranglers himself!! Bert will always be better. He is a HOF’er after all.
You Forgot Fullback- Eagles’ Leonard Weaver
Also it is the 1st a player has made a pro-bowl roster for 2 different postions as a starter or as a backup for that matter. Desean Jackson.
Percy Harvin got screwed. Simply put.
you’re right Majik,
because Jennings, Matthews, Sitton, Finley, Spitz haven’t made a Pro Bowl yet in each of their young careers means that they aren’t good players.
Each one of these guys is already good, and on their way to potentially becoming great. Get over it already you scabbed taint.
By the way, Ted signed Woodson, and although discarded by every team other than TB and not a draft pick, he sure has sucked.
@ madd
Celek better year than Witten? Umm are you serious? Witten is an all arount TE and Celek,while he might get there some day, seems to be more of a receiving TE. Witten is the baddest TE in the leauge so get off of the “birds” being in the pro-bowl. Don’t worry Dallas will be playing the week after so Celek can get the alternate spot.
The Minnesota line hasn’t had any chemistry this year. None of them have looked Pro Bowl worthy. They miss Matt Birk. A rookie at center and RT has hurt the chemistry. Even Hutch has looked mediocre this year. He’s usally a beast as a run blocker. Not this year though.
As a football fan, London Fletcher deserves to be in the Pro Bowl.
Not having him there for at least one year of his career is a crime.
Vanilla Gorilla says:
December 29, 2009 8:25 PM
I’m curious as to how Percy Harvin was snubbed in favor of DeSean Jackson as the NFC’s KR. That is a joke! No question about it.
Jackson returned only 1 kick all year for 0 yards while Harvin trailed essentially only Cribbs in terms of effectiveness and quality as a KR. Sure Jackson returned punts, though he was far less active or effective as a returner.
Per NFL.com:
Harvin: 42 returns, 1156 yards, 27.5 avg, 2 TDs, 27 20+ yards, 5 40+ yards, 0 fair catches, and 0 fumbles
Jackson: 27 returns, 432 yards, 16.0 avg, 2 TDs, 7 20+ yards, 3 40+ yards, 15 fair catches, and 1 fumble
So they both had 42 opportunities for returns, and Harvin was clearly superior at the role. Besides the obvious glaring difference in yards (+724 in Harvin’s favor), Harvin had a whopping 20 more returns of 20+ yards than Jackson did and not once did he give it back to his opponents.
The kid got screwed and it’s sad. There’s no two ways about it.
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Harvin returns kicks so obviously he is gonna have better average and yardage. Jackson has better numbers at punt returning then Harvin.
Obviously Players and Coaches fear Jackson more then Harvin or Harvin would have got the vote. Seeing that Vikings fans flooded the fan version of the pro-bowl voting. Also Harvin has to pay his dues you dont make it to the pro-bowl as a rookie unless you dominate everyone. Jackson has done it for 2 years straight Harvin will get his chance next year if he can repeat the feat.
Jackson had 27 punt returns Harvin had 42 punt/kick returns
But dont worry Harvin will be the starting Kick Return this year anyway. Jackson will be busy you know preparing for a Superbowl.
I thought Jennings made the probowl already? Wow I’m surprised because he was awesome last year.
Favre will always have better numbers in every category except maybe int’s for his career than Rodgers. But Rodgers is in year 2 of what could be a 10-15 year career. Guys like Brees, Rivers playing their best football after being in the league for 4-5 years. Give Aaron a little better OLine and a reliable guy to replace Driver in a year or 2 and maybe Aaron could have as much success as Favre in the postseason – 1 sb win/2 appearances. As a Packers fan that’s all that really matters at the end of the day. He definitely has poise, stays calm in adversity, good leadership skills and a strong, accurate arm.
I think he has come a long ways since he was drafted – he’s obviously worked hard to be a good QB.
As a Skins fan I will take any PB selection considering how shitty the team is. But Orakpo got probably more than half of his sacks playing DE on 3rd down. PB voting is a joke anyway. Fletcher once again left of the team is proof of that.
Woodson’s probs have been character related. Not talent related.
I think now that he’s an old man, he’s matured abit, kind of like Moss.
“Both Celek and Gonzalez > Witten.”
hahaha Gonzales deserves mention, no way Celek does.
“1 TD from Witten during the season and he makes the Pro Bowl? Seriously?”
Yeah. 1 TD and 88 catches. With defensive coordinators throwing the book at him trying to shut him down. And he’s also the best blocking TE in the NFL.
beddar than you,
How many times do I have to explain to you retards that I’m not a bandwagon jumper. Look up the definition of bandwagon, you dolt, and see if a guy who quits cheering for a 13-3 team to root for a 4-12 team fits that definition. It is, in fact, the exact opposite.
packers4life
While you base your argument on speculation and opinions (biased ones at that) about Packer Pro Bowlers, I base mine on fact. And fact is 52 picks, 2 Pro Bowlers, for a guy whose forte is supposed to be the draft.
“Are we going to start this again? Dude, there are at least 4-5 Packers that are future Pro Bowlers. Players like Greg Jennings, Jermichael Finley, Clay Matthews, Johnny Jolly etc.”
Johnny Jolly may be future prison poon.
Witten doesn’t have the TD’s as in the past which is more a function of poor play calling by the OC in Dallas than his play on the field but he does block very well and makes the catches when needed. Saying that, Celek had a really good year and its almost criminal to keep Gonzalez off of any Pro Bowl team. The TE’s in the NFC are awesome right now.
Mike Jenkins should be on that list
“Also it is the 1st a player has made a pro-bowl roster for 2 different postions as a starter or as a backup for that matter. Desean Jackson.”
No.
No Lions?! That’s….appropriate.
Chap,
Your argument to why Witten made it over Celek skews the logic on how Witten has made it to the Pro Bowl in the past.
It’s no surprise that Witten got there this year….on name recognition. Although he deserved to be there in the past, this was not his year.
If by “all around TE” you mean in-line blocking + 1 TD = Pro Bowl selection, then I could have my pick of a dozen TE’s in this league who are deserving.
I’m neither a fan of the Eagles or Cowboys, but voting has always been based on performance (i.e. #’s), and Witten didn’t cut it this year.
“Bert will always be better.”
Not now he isn’t.
Olsen has about half the yards receiving but 7 time’s more td’s than witten, and doesn’t even get a mention?
beddar
Last I checked, Thompson didn’t draft Woodson. So he really doesn’t factor into what I was saying.
Jennings and Matthews look like good players, but Sitton, Finley and Spitz. Really? I fail to see how you could call anyone on a 50 sack O line good. Finley might be a decent player, but not pro bowl material.
Chapnasty2 says:
December 29, 2009 8:45 PM
@ madd
Celek better year than Witten? Umm are you serious? Witten is an all arount TE and Celek,while he might get there some day, seems to be more of a receiving TE. Witten is the baddest TE in the leauge so get off of the “birds” being in the pro-bowl. Don’t worry Dallas will be playing the week after so Celek can get the alternate spot.
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I think Witten deserves a pro-bowl deffently but dont act like you know anything about Celek. Just b/c he is a great pass catcher doesnt make him a bad blocker. Celek is a great Blocker and has helped Jason Peters, Winston Justice, and Lesean McCoy out tremednously this year.
If it wasnt for Celek’s blocking the Eagles would have lost almost every game in the beggining of the season b/c of all the injuries on the oline, 2 new tackles, and a young running back who wasnt a good pass blocker.
What makes the McKinnie vote even more interesting is that most Vikings fans hate him.
• Pervy_Harvin says: December 29, 2009 8:39 PM
Congrats to Rodgers. It must still suck for him to see the man in front of him is the ghost he has been trying to get away from …Mr. Wranglers himself!! Bert will always be better. He is a HOF’er after all.
He ought to thank his lucky stars for Brett Favre. If it wasn’t for the huge TV audiences that tuned in to watch Favre against the pack, no one would know his name. Kurt Warner deserved that third spot.
Jared Allen is an overrated mullet-head d-bag…
Vanilla,
I hope you don’t claim to know anything about football and then compare the stats of a KR to a PR? It is laughable that you would claim Harvin should go over Jackson because of more yards, higher avg. or touchdowns.
Maybe you are from Europe or something and need a lesson in football. You see, KR’s get a head start with blockers in front of them. For the most part they get at least fifteen yards before running into any traffic at all and they have 10 guys set up to block for them. Kickoffs are returned for touchdowns at a much higher rate than Punts because of this exact reason. Punt returners must not only catch the ball with two and sometimes three guys barreling down on them unblocked, but they must make them miss and set up blocks on the remaining opponents by changing direction multiple times.
Harvin is awesome, but comparing the two is like comparing rushing avg for a qb vs a rb.
Wow.
“Majik Bullet says: December 29, 2009 8:14 PM
Yes, good job Ted. 5 years, 52 draft picks, and his second Pro Bowler. Quite the draft guru.”
Compared to his predecessor, he’s doing just fine thanks.
Percy Harvin hasn’t done crap since the beginning of the season! He has been a mediocre playere at best! So stop acting like he is the al-mighty god of the Vikings and deserves a spot in the Pro Bowl.
The man straight up hasn’t performed since the beginning of the season.
It looks like those Vikes will be well rested for the Pro Bowl since they’ll have quite a few weeks off before the game.
Hey percy harvin,
You must be from the bottom of the gene pool. Let me guess your 40 years old, fat, bald, single & live with your loser parents? Am I spot on?Not even 16 year olds talk as much trash as you.
sadly enough there are a lot of people like you out their. Don’t feel bad.
Keep your comments to yourself you mental midget.
@Vanilla Gorilla
Maybe you never noticed this, but kickoffs get returned for more yards than punts. Comparing yards per return would mean the worst kick returner would get picked ahead of the best punt returner.
How about you look at it relative to the other guys at that position? Harvin’s 27.5 yards per kick return ranks him fourth in the conference, behind Clifton Smith, Johnny Knox, and Courtney Roby. Jackson’s 16.0 yards per punt return ranks him first in the conference, more than three yards ahead of the next closest player.
Not even close.
Witten is the baddest TE in the leauge so get off of the “birds” being in the pro-bowl. Wrong…
Don’t worry Dallas will be playing the week after so Celek can get the alternate spot. Wronger…
It isn’t a big secret that the general public and the sportswriters only get 20% or so of the vote on this and the rest comes from players and coaches in the league. Time has also shown that teams that get a boatload of picks don’t always finish wit hthe rings. See 10 Cowboys, 8 Chargers, etc..in years past. This year will be no different with the guys in dark pink…
What?!?!? Where’s Matt Hasselbeck and TJ Whosyourmomma ???
“Both Celek and Gonzalez > Witten. 1 TD from Witten during the season and he makes the Pro Bowl? Seriously?”
TE isn’t all about touchdowns – this year Witten is mainly blocking in the redzone, which he is much better at than Celek or Gonzales.
He has more yards, receptions, and first downs.
@ Chappynap:
Never 4get 44-6.
Seems like you don’t know squat about football.
Celek has been better than witten this year. #’s wise and cosistently on the field. Why do people put umm when writing? you sound like a f’ing retard when you write.
Favre made it? What a primadonna.
If you were Dan Snyder, how upset are you that $100 Million doesn’t get you to a ProBowl?
For that much, he should be a lock for the rest of the days they are paying him. Pathetic. Brent Celek will be in the ProBowl next year. Thank Kevin Kolb for showing the Eagles how good he was when McNabb was out.
If Vernon Davis sets the NFL record for single season TD’s for a tight end, will he no longer be a bust?
let the bitching begin, about who was snubbed for the pro bowl, this whole process is a joke, because players from the Super Bowl teams aren’t playing, AND because the game is in Miami instead of Hawaii, any guess to how many players are going to beg off playing in the game? Farve isn’t playing, book it!
Beason is better than Vilma. Selection fail.
This is RIDICULOUS!!! How does London Fletcher not make the pro bowl again…This just confirms that the Pro Bowl is nothing but a popularity contest. Greg Blache was right, London doesn’t make the pro bowl because he doesn’t dance coming out of the tunnel and doesn’t run his mouth to the media. Over 100 tackles again this year and one of the best sideline to sideline middle linebacker in the league!! Not to mention he’s the only bright spot on a bad defense, this sucks!
Brees said, “because there isn’t anything I can accomplish without the offensive line, running backs, tight ends and wide receivers. So this is a recognition of what we’ve been able to achieve as a unit, and I’ve been thrilled to be a part of an offense that has worked together so well this season.”
NOW THIS GUY IS A TRUE PROFESSIONAL!!!!
To those arguing the KR position going to Jackson, there is no punt returner position, the kick returner slot is for both. So saying Jackson has 1 return for 0 yds is moot, because that spot is for the best returner kick or punt.
-Tompadre
I understand the comparison, however I think the NFL could easily add a good player from the bottom feeders, especially in positions to fill areas on Special Teams of the pro bowl. I think for every team to have a Pro Bowl Jersey for sale in their fan shop is a Must!
Maybe have a special “Provisional Spot” used only for special teams, to make this possible, if needed.
I know it seems a bit odd, but I think it would be good for the game.
K.C.- Tamba Hali or Brandon Flowers
Cincy- Leon Hall or Johnathan Joseph
Detroit-Louis Delmas
Tampa Bay- Barrett Ruud or Geno Hayes
Seattle- David Hawthorne or ???
Atlanta- John Abraham or Jonathan Babineaux
It would be pretty simple IMO, I am a Cowboys fan, So I’ll always have a pro bowl guy to root for. If the NFL is serious about making this more of a success, then they will make it attractive to the whole Fan Base not just the Successful ones…
Witten didn’t belong on the ballot.. he only played in 3 games this year.. right? at least that’s the impact he had
Celek has already proved he’s a better player
Jason Peters being on there is a joke as is not having Sheldon Brown
“I think every team should be represented, and the rosters should be expanded to make this possible if necessary! ”
I love football because it is so different than baseball. Why try to bridge that gap???? There are already a dozen or so guys in each conference that play at a “Pro Bowl level” every year that don’t make it just because as few as two guys at their respective positions had a slightly better year. What, should every player from every team get a “participation” trophy every year??
You people using TD’s to measure a tight ends effectiveness have to be the least knowledgeable football fans in the world
But do carry on.
Majik Bullet says:
December 29, 2009 9:01 PM
beddar
Last I checked, Thompson didn’t draft Woodson. So he really doesn’t factor into what I was saying.
Jennings and Matthews look like good players, but Sitton, Finley and Spitz. Really? I fail to see how you could call anyone on a 50 sack O line good. Finley might be a decent player, but not pro bowl material.
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I hate to do this. i really do. Its hard for me to type this. But….Majik…..you are a friggin idiot. Im sorry. There is no where else to go with you. I am embarassed for myself for throwing that out there.
The Pro Bowl is a joke. No wonder nobody watches it. There are 2 beefs I have. First of all how is Brett Favre on the team and how is Eli Manning the first alternate? Mcnabb has his team in the running for the #2 seed. Favre could be heading for a Wild Card game. Eli Manning did not even make the Playoffs, he stinks. Second Beef is this, Deangelo Williams over Frank Gore this year….C’mon People….Williams hasn’t had a good year and Gore was all SF had. What a stud he is and does not get enough credit. Such Bull……wish other players made it like Vincent Jackson, Cedric Benson and so on but I guess they only have so many spots they can fill. Its a most popular contest instead of the accolades on the field which should matter the most
Majik Bullet says: I lick Brett’s Taint.
Go to Minnesota you Troll. When the Packer’s go to the Super Bowl this year you will come out of your Old Style induced coma and proclaim you have always loved Mike and Ted. Turn in your tickets (if you have any) and get on a bus to detroit. Then you would have a reason to complain. Troll.
PerryMason says: December 29, 2009 9:03 PM
He ought to thank his lucky stars for Brett Favre. If it wasn’t for the huge TV audiences that tuned in to watch Favre against the pack, no one would know his name. Kurt Warner deserved that third spot.
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Are you serious? Kurt Warner has three fewer tds, seven more int’s, and almost 500 fewer passing yards. He shouldn’t have gotten hurt. Maybe then he would have had a better chance.
@Start Colt Brennan
Fletcher has done his share of dancing after routine tackles. Its a disease that has inflicted everyone that plays in the NFL it seems. Hell as a Skins fan, and as much as I would like to see Fletcher finally selected to a PB, I’m not to disappointed that he didn’t make it based on the simple fact that as leader of the Skins defense Fletcher has never been able to reign in the #1 knucklehead that is Loser Landry.
Majik Bullet says: December 29, 2009 8:14 PM
Yes, good job Ted. 5 years, 52 draft picks, and his second Pro Bowler. Quite the draft guru.
Seriously though, Rodgers did deserve it. Congrats to him. Even with his penchant for holding the ball too long, he played well.
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Please tell me how many DRAFT PICKS of the Vikings in the Childress/Spielman era have gone to the pro bowl? one?
packers4life says:
December 29, 2009 8:59 PM
“Bert will always be better.”
Not now he isn’t.
“London doesn’t make the pro bowl because he doesn’t dance coming out of the tunnel and doesn’t run his mouth to the media.”
He doesn’t make the pro bowl because he doesn’t act like Deangelo Hall?
Pervy_Harvin says: December 29, 2009 8:39 PM
Congrats to Rodgers. It must still suck for him to see the man in front of him is the ghost he has been trying to get away from …Mr. Wranglers himself!! Bert will always be better. He is a HOF’er after all.
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What???? What has Favre done better this season or last than Rodgers? Please tell me when Favre had back to back 4000+ yd seasons….let alone his first 2. He did it once, starting with his 7th season as a starter. What’s to say Rodgers isn’t a future HOF’er? He’s off to a ridiculous start which is certainly much better than Brent’s first 2 years as a starter.
I think the comish should use affirmative action and order Michael Vick be put in the pro-bowl ,just like he ordered the eagles to hire him ,because he was such a great fit in philly
sucks that celek and sheldon didn’t make it, but it really doesn’t matter. because all the eagles who were selected are going to be held out anyway due to the bigger game they will have on their schedule the following week..
.VoxVeritas says: December 29, 2009 8:55 PM
“Are we going to start this again? Dude, there are at least 4-5 Packers that are future Pro Bowlers. Players like Greg Jennings, Jermichael Finley, Clay Matthews, Johnny Jolly etc.”
Johnny Jolly may be future prison poon.
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I’m assuming you must mean Bryant McKinnie? Afterall, Jolly was in a car with 3 other people. There was codeine in the car. There’s reasonable doubt that it could be one of the other 3 people’s but he gets the wrap because it’s his car. Probation for first offender.
Now McKinnie…..he can’t even blame beating a guy half his size in the head with a metal pipe on someone else. Oh and BTW….he already has a criminal record. Who do you think is more likely to end up prison poon?
# Osterhouse says: December 29, 2009 8:14 PM
Jason Witten sucked this year for my fantasy team
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Like somebody really cares about your fantasy team.
I’m betting the players and coach’s vote put Witten in. They don’t care about fantasy stats, at all.
And Gurode! Sorry, slobby Albert. Got your money and that’s all. You’re still the same cap human being people dislike more than the idiot owner of your team.
PerryMason says: December 29, 2009 9:03 PM
• Pervy_Harvin says: December 29, 2009 8:39 PM
Congrats to Rodgers. It must still suck for him to see the man in front of him is the ghost he has been trying to get away from …Mr. Wranglers himself!! Bert will always be better. He is a HOF’er after all.
He ought to thank his lucky stars for Brett Favre. If it wasn’t for the huge TV audiences that tuned in to watch Favre against the pack, no one would know his name. Kurt Warner deserved that third spot.
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LMFAO. Are you kidding me? Hell, even Eli Manning has better stats than Warner! Rodgers has more TD’s, way more yards, less INT’s and a better QB rating than Warner. What dream world are you living in?
Lot of yada yada comments about the Pro Bowl selections. While there are always injustices I thought the selections were pretty legitimate.
you forgot the fullback………..Weaver
Farves sweet Hair- LOL You are wrong on all counts. I can beat you up,steal your girl and charm your Mother! You are a tool! Please go away!
whatthehellisgoingonoutthere-Being a reasonable man,I will agree there. Maybe Rodgers can be a HOF’er some day. He has a long way to go. Watching Favre orchestrate that offense was a thing of beauty last night. Peyton does the same. Maybe someday Rodgers? Rodgers is good…I cannot lie!
Super
Oh no. My life is over. I’ve just been called an idiot by quite possibly the most ignorant, foolish piece of trash on the face of the earth (this would be you Super, I know you’re a bit slow).
I know you think Ted is spelled G O D, but try to look at things as a non homer for once. How can anyone on that O line be called a good player. 50 sacks of a mobile QB, and I’ve been told all season it’s not Rodgers’ fault for holding the ball, so it must be the line.
I’m embarrassed (correct spelling) for you as well. In the same post that you call me an idiot, you have 4 spelling and grammar errors in a 3 line post. FYI, if there’s a red line under a word, it means it’s misspelled. You’re such a simpleton.
I can’t believe how bitter Packer fans are. If it wasn’t for Favre the Packers would of been a losing franchise. He put this bull shit team on the map again.
Vernon Davis is going to be a beast for a LONG time in the NFL… So all you Witten, Celek, Gonzalez lovers arguing over who should get second better get used to that… And as a fan of none of those teams I would say Gonzalez deserved it by far
whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says: December 29, 2009 10:35 PM
Please tell me how many DRAFT PICKS of the Vikings in the Childress/Spielman era have gone to the pro bowl? one?
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Childress/ Spielman have 2 just like Thompson, AD and Rice. Chilly and Spielman have had 3 drafts and 18 picks, compared to Ted’s 5 years and 52 picks. Also, instead of using his first round picks on busts like Harrel, they trade them for Jared Allen.
What’s funny is that Thompson is supposed to be a draft wizard, yet he’s had 52 picks to do what Chilly and Spielman did with 18.
I will be the first to admit…the Pro bowl is a sham. I don’t watch it.Well,watch maybe a little here and there. Only vote for DESERVING Vikings.
Can we please hear what Tony Dungy thinks about the picks? He loves to tell us how to think.
I don’t know if Josh Sitton is a future Pro Bowler or not, but he has been pretty solid this year. He was also the only lineman that wasn’t shuffled all over the place. You never hear his name unless they are introducing the starters, and for a lineman that’s a good thing.
Majik,
Sitton is a good player and on his way to becoming even better. I said it and stand by it. The lone bright spot on a dreadful line. Spitz found his spot at center before getting hurt. Colledge, Barbre, Clifton, and Wells’ shortcomings had nothing to do with his play. He’ll get his turn. Try to look at things as a non taint fingering homer for once.
The good or bad, it doesn’t matter what TT does in your eyes. You’ll ride off into the Mississippi pastures hand-in-hand with your boyfriend here in about 2 weeks. No one really gives a shit that you have some vendetta against TT because he made the absolute correct call on him. Time to move on douchebag.
This is awesome to watch I just wish I could be at the PERVY HARVIN/MAJIK BULLET house hold to watch
PERVY: come’on majik, mom said santa got me that laptop for Xmas.
MAJIK: hold on pervy I’m almost done, then you can post again. We’ll stay up all night and do this
PERVY: ok cool,…………come’on man, gimme my laptop.
MAJIK: I said hold on you little fat bastard.
PERVY: MOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!! majik won’t gimme the laptop Santa brought me.
MOM/SISTER/AUNT (cause of inbreeding): majik, give that little fat retard his laptop back, Santa brought that for him.
MAJIK: fine, here, you’re such a baby.
MAJIK: can I have another turn after you though? Huh huh can I can I?!!!!!!
PERVY: yessss!!!! Hold on!!!! Geeesh….look what I put majik, I’m still trying to convince everybody that the Viqueers are good. Hee hee he. I’m hilarious…..
MAJIK: is it my turn yet?!!!! Huh huh is it is it?!!!!
“Tackle: Jason Peters, Bryant McKinnie, and Jon Stinchcomb. Not a great year for left tackles, but the starters are still a surprise. McKennie’s pick seems particularly insane. Stinchcomb has come a long way in his career.”
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Please tell me you don’t consider yourself to be a professional. Tell us you used to be a lawyer like Florio and we can just ignore the fact that you actually typed “McKinnie” in one sentence and then typed “McKennie” in the next and didn’t resort to cut and pasting someone else’s work and then commenting at the end like it was your work.
Try a little attention to detail, Rosenthal. I’m sure they try to teach that Tulane.
whatthehellisgoingonoutthere says:
What???? What has Favre done better this season or last than Rodgers? Please tell me when Favre had back to back 4000+ yd seasons….let alone his first 2. He did it once, starting with his 7th season as a starter. What’s to say Rodgers isn’t a future HOF’er? He’s off to a ridiculous start which is certainly much better than Brent’s first 2 years as a starter.
Time to take another Packer idiot to school:
1. Last I checked, Favre beat the Pack twice, and is looking down in the division standings at Rodgers’ squad.
2. Favre’s first 2 seasons: 17-12 record. Rodgers: 16-15. I’ll remind you that Favre came to a HORRIBLE Packers team. Rodgers got handed a 13-3 team, and went 6-10. He had great numbers last year, BUT WENT 6-10!!!.
3. Favre has more leadership skill in his pinky toe than Rodgers. The Kid is good, has good numbers, but he cant hold Favre’s jockstrap just yet.
Dont rip the Purple Cheesus.
WHAT?!!? Mason Crosby didn’t make the pro-bowl as a kicker?!!?
Joking aside, seems to have fallen exactly how I expected it to. I guess the one question I have is Bryant McKinnie as he’s been mediocre to bad in all the games I’ve seen him in (but in his defense, I haven’t watched all the Vikings games).
Little suprised no Clay Matthews and it seems like many Viking fans are complaining about no Percy Harvin. Well, call it the “rookie snub” which I think is fair…they still have to pay their dues and if I’m correct, Orakpo is the only rookie on that list. Personally, from a defensive standpoint, I think Matthews has had a better year than Orakpo, but that could be my blatant homerism.
“[London Fletcher] doesn’t make the pro bowl because he doesn’t act like Deangelo Hall?”
Sarcasm aside, London Fletcher doesn’t make the pro bowl because he doesn’t act like an idiot. He makes every tackle, makes every play possible, and gets no recognition because of his team and his calm demeanor. The NFL should do something about this. The NBA has put players in the All-Star game that they know deserved to be there but never got enough votes. Pathetic.
Fletcher should’ve made it, sheldon brown should’ve made it, jason peters shouldn’t have been mention and celek should’ve made it.
Peters has played well but he gives up atleast 1 sack a game and 2 to 3 false starts.
Cowboys fans, you’ll see how much better celek was this year then witten when celek is abusing keith brooking Sunday.
Everyone’s an idiot. Argument settled.
On a serious note, this must have been a great year for tight ends since Visanthe Shianco (don’t care if that’s not how you spell it) didn’t make it. Every Vikings game I watch he’s catching a touchdown pass.
Glad to see three Packers made it, and feel especially good for A-Rod. He deserves it.
Vanilla Gorilla says:
December 29, 2009 8:25 PM
I’m curious as to how Percy Harvin was snubbed in favor of DeSean Jackson as the NFC’s KR. That is a joke! No question about it.
Jackson returned only 1 kick all year for 0 yards while Harvin trailed essentially only Cribbs in terms of effectiveness and quality as a KR. Sure Jackson returned punts, though he was far less active or effective as a returner.
Per NFL.com:
Harvin: 42 returns, 1156 yards, 27.5 avg, 2 TDs, 27 20+ yards, 5 40+ yards, 0 fair catches, and 0 fumbles
Jackson: 27 returns, 432 yards, 16.0 avg, 2 TDs, 7 20+ yards, 3 40+ yards, 15 fair catches, and 1 fumble
So they both had 42 opportunities for returns, and Harvin was clearly superior at the role. Besides the obvious glaring difference in yards (+724 in Harvin’s favor), Harvin had a whopping 20 more returns of 20+ yards than Jackson did and not once did he give it back to his opponents.
The kid got screwed and it’s sad. There’s no two ways about it.
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You can’t compare kick return stats with punt return stats. Punt returners typically average less than 10 yards per. Kick returners routinely average around 20 yards per return.
Not saying that Harvin didn’t have a great year. Considering that Jackson is already on the team as a WR it would’ve been nice to see Harvin get the return spot.
But your post reads like something straight out of the Sean Hannity School for Deliberately Misleading Statistical Analysis.
No Love for Leonard Weaver at Fullback???
“I thought Jennings made the probowl already? Wow I’m surprised because he was awesome last year.”
No, he didn’t. He got snubbed last season. Should of been voted in but there were alot of good WRs for the NFC last season.
“Jennings and Matthews look like good players, but Sitton, Finley and Spitz. Really? I fail to see how you could call anyone on a 50 sack O line good.”
Dude, Josh Sitton has been the only consistent Packer offensive lineman this season. He isn’t even close to being at the most fault for all the sacks allowed this season. If you want to put blame on someone, put it all on Daryn Colledge. He has been torched all season long.
“I can’t believe how bitter Packer fans are. If it wasn’t for Favre the Packers would of been a losing franchise. He put this bull shit team on the map again.”
Sorry but most of that credit goes to the great Ron Wolf. Favre was a big part of it, no doubt about that but Wolf was the one who hired Holmgren, traded for Favre and signed Reggie White.
as a vikes fan i can say this is a friggin joke
mckinnie? seriously? hes a revolving door! no way can he be one of the best tackles in the nfc…
his inclusion on this list just makes the entire thing laughable
“Bert will always be better. He is a HOF’er after all.”
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Who is the idiot who said this?
I agree with everyone that London Fletcher should make it over Jonathan Vilma.
BUT
Jon Beason should have definitely made it in the #2 spot.
Willis and Beason were/are 1 and 2 in the LEAGUE (not conference) in tackles and should be representing the NFC in the pro bowl by default for the rest of their careers.
You tell me there is a more deserving MLB than either one of those two, and I’ll call choose to ignore you and keep praddling on about how great those two are.
No but seriously, HOW THE HELL DID VILMA GET IN
Pervey_Harvin: “Being a reasonable man”
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Get out of here; you’re a man?
Wow 8 Vikings on the roster and some of their putrid fans are complaining there are not more?
Who really decides these selections, the Nobel Peace Prize governing board?
Heck the Vikings entire roster should be on the squad they are the best team ever on paper
19 and DOH! baby
Matthews > Orakpo.
Maybe they allowed hookers to vote for the Pro Bowl this year, that’s the only explanation I can think of for McKinnie being on the squad.
Or maybe McKinnie threatened to beat the voters over the head with a metal club, obviously character has nothing to do with being a Pro Bowler.
Good news is that McKinnie will be available for the game.
No Lions? this is rigged.
Seems that the fans who give a rats arse about the Pro Bowl all come from teams that haven’t won anything in a long long time.
packers4life says:
December 29, 2009 8:02 PM
Congrats to Rodgers for earning his first Pro Bowl. He has well earned a spot on that roster.
So glad Thompson kicked old man Favre to the curb to give Rodgers a chance.
Old man Favre? ohhhh, you mean the guy who is starting ahead of Rodgers.
Franchise says:
December 30, 2009 12:09 AM
2. Favre’s first 2 seasons: 17-12 record. Rodgers: 16-15. I’ll remind you that Favre came to a HORRIBLE Packers team. Rodgers got handed a 13-3 team, and went 6-10. He had great numbers last year, BUT WENT 6-10!!!.
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You obviously didn’t follow the packer games last year. It was his first year as a starter, and he did pretty damn good considering what he and the team had to go through in the off season due to Lord Favre.
If Crosby would have made the field goals against the Vikings, Titans, and Bears at the end of each game, the Packers would have been 9-7. Yes, that’s not as good as the 13-3 record the previous year, but there were many games in 2007 where we won at the last second. San Diego, Philly, Denver, Dallas(oh wait, Favre can’t beat dallas). Hell, Favre got swept by the Bears that year. I don’t see Rodgers getting swept by a bottom feeder team.
Don’t put all the blame for the 6-10 record on Rodgers.
Emoney,
You do a pretty good job playing the old excuse card. Shall we also remind you that AR had the benefit of learning the same system for 3 years and the same HC for 2 full years even before he started a game? Favre had to come in and learn a whole new system with a brand new coach the year he started.
Emoney: “Hell, Favre got swept by the Bears that year. I don’t see Rodgers getting swept by a bottom feeder team.”
You say this after AR’s penchant for throwing to payers in Tampa Bay uniforms cost the Packers a win against the worst team in the NFL this year? lol, really?
Hell, I’m from Minnesota and think 8 Vikings is a joke.
scrapdawg12,
Favre: 29 TDs, 7 INTs, 3,886 Yards
McNabb: 22 TDs, 10 INTs, 3,330 Yards
Favre is more deserving than McNabb.
Emoney
You are unknowingly making the argument for Favre over Rodgers for us. You say that in 2007, the Pack won a lot of close games at the last second with Favre at the helm, while in 2008, the Pack lost those close games with Rodgers leading the comeback attempt. Rodgers was 08- with a chance to win or tie in the final 5 minutes. This is the leadership quality people talk about Rodgers lacking. He puts up mighty impressive numbers, but can’t seem to rally the troops like #4.
I’m sad to see Tony Gonzales didn’t make it this year.
Allied Biscuit says:
December 30, 2009 8:14 AM
Thanks for the daily hate post for the Vikings, you prick. Can’t wait to check back ten hours from now and see the dozen more posted throughout the day. that’s bare minimum too. You should thank the Vikings because they get the most responses on this site.
Don’t kid yourself dude. You actually think it’s the VIKINGS that get the most responses? It’s FAVRE. If favre wasn’t on the Vikings, they would be irrelevent in the eyes of most football fans. When Favre leaves Minnesota, you will all just fade away……all the way to L.A.
1) While Tampa Bay is one of the worst teams in the league, the Rams have to be the worst with only one win. Tampa beat a couple of playoff teams in Green Bay and New Orleans. That being said, there is no excuse for the Packers losing to Tampa.
2) I don’t like Brett Favre and I HATE the Vikings. It’s not because he switched teams. I agree with Troy Aikman when he said he didn’t think Favre wanted to play for the Packers anymore and helped engineer his trade, though he would have rather went to the Vikings than the Jets. I would have let him go to the Vikings. But I can’t blame the Packers for not wanting him to go there.
I have to admit that Favre has exceeded my expectations this year and has truly been great. He’s throwing to exceptional players this year, which helps. I remember the days when he was throwing to the likes of a fading Antonio Freeman and *gulp* Bill Schroeder as the starting receivers and still putting up respectable numbers. I expected him to fade down the stretch this year, but his second half against the Bears was remarkable. He deserves the Pro Bowl and has to be considered for MVP honors. But I still don’t like him.
3) There were whisperings of Rodgers not having leadership skills last year, but they were made by people not on the team. His teammates have said the opposite. He’s not the same kind of leader as Favre, but he is a leader. Even Favre’s vaunted leadership skills couldn’t help the 2005 team out of a 4-12 record.
This Favre vs. Rodgers argument is childish. Both belong in the Pro Bowl. The Vikings and Packers are both happy at what they have. If the Packers wouldn’t have moved Favre, they would have lost Rodgers once his contract was up. I’m happy the way things turned out. If Rodgers stays injury free, he is at the beginning of a really good, if not great career.
MAJIK BULLET
You sir are a moron!
Did the kicker miss 2 game winning field goals
during the 13-3 season Did the defense allow 3 game winning scores in the final seconds?
Didn’t Bretteny say he was retiring and it was nothing the Packers did or didn’t do ? Did he change his mind after the Pack drafted 2 QB’s He is an immature child
Who are you going to follow when Lord Favre retires here is a suggestion any team but the Pack
majik mullet says
He puts up mighty impressive numbers, but can’t seem to rally the troops like #4.
Well if you are going to say Rodgers was the reason for losing close games (like your average idiot would) then you would have to agree that Brett Favre is engineering yet another December swoon correct?
I think the majority of clear thinking packer fans are very thankful for Ted Thompson and the decision he made regarding taking a retired player back after a whole offseason program being led by your future. Rodgers first two years as a starter blows Favres out of the water. It is my opinion and take it for whatever it worth (not much) but I truly think Rodgers’ teams will win more championships than Favre’s meager one. Thank God for Ted Thompson. I see he is nominated for exec of the year again! Congrats Ted!
30PTBUCK
Don’t worry, it won’t be the Pack. Fans like you are an embarrassment, and I don’t want to be lumped in with such a band of idiots.
And why is it when a Rodgers led team loses a game, it’s the team that lost, but when a Favre led team loses, the loss is Favre’s fault and not the team?
Speaking of drafting 2 QB’s, how’s Brian Brohm working out Teddy fans?
Pervy,
Hate to break it to you, but Dungy gets PAID to give his opinion. Maybe that is why it seems he is willing to give it on everything? I think most football fans enjoy Dungy and Harrison along with the fact that neither of them feels it necessary to skew the facts just to make a network or blind fan base happy. Go back to watching CNBC if you want deliberately misleading facts from your television viewing, because you won’t find it from those two.
Majik Mullet says:
“Speaking of drafting 2 QB’s, how’s Brian Brohm working out Teddy fans?”
About as well as Jay Barker one of your boy Wolf’s misses. His career is over. Jury is still out on Brohm. Way to look dumb majik.
Ronnie McCada, Kyle Walcholtz…both Wolf QB picks. What else ya got Majik? Seems to me and quite possibly everyone else you are running out of “bullets”
Supersuckers says: December 30, 2009 12:15 PM
Ronnie McCada, Kyle Walcholtz…both Wolf QB picks. What else ya got Majik? Seems to me and quite possibly everyone else you are running out of “bullets”
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Really, idiot? McAda was the last pick of the entire draft, Walcholtz was also a 7th rounder. Barker was a 5th rounder.
Brohm, on the other hand, was a 2nd rd pick. And they got that 2nd round pick by trading away their starting defensive tackle.
That’s what else I got. Way to look incredibly stupid Super.
Rodgers can put up all the stats he wants, but if you ever want to compare his career to Brent’s, it should be broken down to this:
Favre: 16 seasons in GB, 12-10 in the playoffs, 2-2 in Championship games, 1-1 in Super Bowls. 3-7 in the playoffs after winning the 97 NFC Championship game in San Fran.
If Rodgers wins multiple Super Bowls, he’s the better QB in Packers history. Which is why Bart Starr and his 5 titles have him at #1 right now.
# Majik Bullet says: December 30, 2009 9:51 AM
Emoney
You are unknowingly making the argument for Favre over Rodgers for us. You say that in 2007, the Pack won a lot of close games at the last second with Favre at the helm, while in 2008, the Pack lost those close games with Rodgers leading the comeback attempt. Rodgers was 08- with a chance to win or tie in the final 5 minutes. This is the leadership quality people talk about Rodgers lacking. He puts up mighty impressive numbers, but can’t seem to rally the troops like #4.
Majik,
First off, why are we even comparing a Player who has more than triple the experience of a second year starter. Secondly if we’re talking about leadership, obviously you haven’t been around the Packers. If you’re quarterback has the whole team behind him, and has verteran players looking towards him to lead then I think it’s safe to say that the player in question, Rodgers, must be doing a good job of leading his team. Oh by the way, I think the Packers are hot and the Vikings are not during the most important stretch of the year. How did this happen after the Packers were 4-4 and coming off that horrendous loss to TB. Oh yeah, the leader of the Pack, stepped up and guided this team out of the mess it was in. Rodgers is a good leader. No one should be questioning that.
Also, I really really hope, that the rest of the NFC continues to leave Finley in one on one coverage thinking, he’s not a pro bowl caliber player. He has 51 Receptions for 642 yards and 4TDs, he also missed 3 other games. So, if you want to say Finley isn’t good or great or whatever and want to ignore their TE that’s fine with A-Rod because I guarantee he’ll be finding him all day.
Majik,
I can come back with some more Wolf misses but I am nto like you and under the belief that every pick is a hit. So 5th and 7th rounders get a pass? What about Hasselbeck? your consistency is really awful. You argue one point one way and another point the same way your previous debater was arguing. Useless and certainly commands no respect. Thank God for Ted Thompson for shipping Favre and giving Green Bay fans hope of another title real soon. Nominated again for exec of the year Majik!!! Ted for life!
Super
I’m not changing my points of argument at all. The only Ted draft picks I’ve ever said anything about have been 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders. I’ve never mentioned a Thompson 5th or 7th round bust, because I understand that the latter rounds of the draft don’t usually yield top flight players. Brohm was a 2nd rounder who was cut a year later. My consistency hasn’t changed. Now it’s time for your know nothing routine, can’t wait.
“No Falcons, Bucs, Seahawks, or Lions were used in the making of this Pro Bowl team.”
While the Bucs, ‘Hawks and Lions didn’t have any players for whom a strong case could be made over those selected, I was a little surprised that no Falcons made this year’s Pro Bowl Granted, their most likely candidates were hampered by injury (i.e. Matt Ryan & Michael Turner). However, I think you can make a case for Tony Gonzalez over Jason Witten, based on more TDs (6 vs. 1), with slightly fewer receptions and yards (80 vs. 88, and 837 vs. 954 respectively). His blocking is as good as – if not better – than Witten, and the leadership value he brings to a team is second to none.
On the defensive side of the ball for Atlanta, Curtis Lofton has had a hell of a year at middle linebacker. He ranks 4th in the NFC in both total and solo tackles: 126 and 101 respectively. So, I’d say he’s had a significantly better year than Villma. But then again, so have London Fletcher and Jon Beason; both of whom were also snubbed. In other words, Villma’s selection is a bit of a mystery in terms of the numbers.
Oh yeah and another thing majik,
READ THIS:
by Tom Fanning, Packers.com
posted 12/30/2009
Quarterback Aaron Rodgers was one of three Packers to be selected to the Pro Bowl on Tuesday night, and although players aren’t allowed to vote for their own teammates, it’s pretty clear that he has earned the respect of the other players in Green Bay’s locker room.
In just his second season as the Packers’ starting quarterback, Rodgers earned Pro Bowl honors for the NFC along with the Saints’ Drew Brees and the Vikings’ Brett Favre. Votes from players, coaches and fans each count for one-third of the final tally.
“It feels pretty good, it does,” Rodgers said Wednesday. “It’s exciting to be recognized by my peers in the league and the coaches and obviously the fans, so I’m very appreciative of that.
“It also means that our team has had some success, so this is definitely bigger than myself. It takes a solid receiving corps, an offensive line that blocks for you, and we’ve got a 1,200-yard rusher (Ryan Grant) and some guys that can get down the field and catch the ball.”
Through 15 games, Rodgers ranks in the top 10 in the league in every significant passing category. He is currently fourth in passer rating (102.4), tied for third in touchdowns (29), fifth in yards (4,199) and first in interception percentage (1.4). With all of those impressive numbers, it was somewhat surprising to hear the individual statistic he is most proud of.
“Probably 31 straight starts,” Rodgers said. “That is important to me. As a quarterback, you need to be accountable and available. I’ve been able to be available for all 31 of the games that I have started in and the guys see how bad I want it.
“At times you are playing through some pretty intense pain, and you’ve got to be accountable at the same time. That comes from the preparation you put in each week and it comes from standing in front of you guys and taking the blame when it’s your blame to take and dishing out the credit when people are trying to give you all of the credit. I think I have done a pretty good job of both of those things.”
This is the second straight season that Rodgers has posted 4,000 yards passing as he became the first quarterback in league history to hit that mark in each of his first two seasons as a starter. In 2008, he had to deal with the pressure of succeeding the future Hall of Famer Favre, who came out of retirement before being traded to the New York Jets, as well as a right shoulder injury sustained in Week 4 that he played through for several weeks.
“I’m not shocked, but I’m very impressed,” wide receiver Greg Jennings said. “Just the way he has handled everything. He has been a true professional throughout the entire ordeal. I’m not sure if anybody else could have really stepped up to the plate and answered the bell the way he has done that.
“As far as his numbers, they speak for themselves. They are pretty much second to none.”
Rodgers continued that strong play this season, but was sacked a league-high 37 times in the first eight games as the Packers got off to a 4-4 start.
“I’m very impressed,” said cornerback Charles Woodson, who also earned Pro Bowl honors on Tuesday. “The numbers speak for themselves, to go back-to-back seasons with 4,000 yards. I don’t know too many quarterbacks that have gone through the transition that he had to go through when Brett left the team. For him to go through that, this year to go through the numerous amount of sacks that he has gone through and taking a lot of heat for supposedly holding the football too long and that sort of thing.
“He comes to work every day, prepares every day like a winning quarterback, and then on Sundays he shows up. Again, he keeps getting up off the ground and making plays for this team. There is not enough that can be said about what he has done this year.”
With the Pro Bowl being played the week prior to the Super Bowl for the first time at the same site, Rodgers knows his season will end in Miami, but hopes it will be with all of his teammates.
“We’ve won 10 games this year and we’ve got a playoff spot,” Rodgers said. “That’s important, but my personal goals and I think our team goals are bigger than the Pro Bowl, and they include winning multiple championships. It starts with one, and it starts with one game this weekend and then we’ll figure out where we are slotted.
“The Pro Bowl is a good individual honor, but we have bigger goals as a team.”
dshareef222 says: December 30, 2009 7:50 PM
Oh yeah and another thing majik,
READ THIS:
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Why? What does this prove? I know he made the Pro Bowl. And I’ve said he’s a good player and he deserved the honor. What point are you trying to make, other than the fact you’re an idiot, which you have already done, over and over and over again.
Still proving that Rodgers is a great leader. Just maybe a little overkill but by now you get the point! So don’t just come on here saying unfounded crap!
dshareef222
The only unfounded crap around here is you calling Rodgers a great leader. Where has he led them? To a 16-15 record, zero playoff wins, and zero division championships. He’s a good player, but he’s still the guy who told the fans to get on board or get bent. That’s very Cutleresque.
Not a leader, not yet.
dshareef222 says:
December 30, 2009 8:22 PM
Still proving that Rodgers is a great leader. Just maybe a little overkill but by now you get the point! So don’t just come on here saying unfounded crap!
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Nice post. But while you’re at it, why don’t you head down to the local zoo and ask a tiger to change his stripes?
Majik Bullet says:
December 30, 2009 9:14 PM
dshareef222
The only unfounded crap around here is you calling Rodgers a great leader. Where has he led them? To a 16-15 record, zero playoff wins, and zero division championships. He’s a good player, but he’s still the guy who told the fans to get on board or get bent. That’s very Cutleresque.
Not a leader, not yet.
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I suppose he should’ve LED the defense last year in tackles or something. Or maybe he should’ve pulled a Favre job like in 2005. He could’ve LED the league in interceptions. Or he could’ve LED the league in throwing his own teammates/coaches under the bus.
Those are ways he could’ve emulated Favre as a leader.
@SloppyJoe
hell yea man Willis and Beason are the top two period. Beason is the biggest snub bar none (sorry viking fans but this guy has been snubbed TWICE) he should have been in the joke bowl his rookie year and this year having only made it one year (last year) and that was while playing with a dislocated shoulder that he suffered in week 8
Favre being a ‘great leader’ is all pretty talk. His teammates had to say the things they did, who would ever toss Brent under the bus?
Being a ‘great leader’ must certainly mean making it known that it isn’t your job to tutor your eventual replacement. It certainly must mean not talking to, spending time in the film room, and working overtime with a rookie WR like Greg Jennings. It certainly must mean dressing in a separate room. And it must certainly mean letting the organization know AFTER the draft each year your plans on the upcoming season.
Being a ‘great leader’ includes those team activities that aren’t scheduled between noon and six every Sunday. I would love to hear what Deanna or Scott could make reference to with Brent being a ‘great leader’ without pulling this propaganda of his ‘will to win’.
Rodgers is more personable, likable, approachable, has a better demeanor, a better calmness, a better understanding of his TEAMMATES, a better understanding of what makes a TEAM play good football. If that isn’t clear to Deanna and Scott, it sure is clear to every Packer fan who watches those sidelines every Sunday.
While everyone in GB has forgotten about Brent, Deanna and Scott continue to lick away.
Nick Barnett and Clay Matthews were snubbed by the voters but its okay, because come playoffs time “Hell hath no fury like a Packer snubbed.”
MAJIK BULLET
Why am I an embarassment. Where in my post did I say losses were Bretteney’s fault? You’re the one who implied losses were Aaron’s fault
Not only are you a moron you are delusional
I’m glad it won’t be the Pack you root for, as are most Packer Fans .
Here’s some ideas slip on a pair of your favorite wrangler jeans, take some prilosec hide in a closet (I’m sure you won’t come out soon) and start sweating about will he or won’t he retire.Then spin anything he says more than Obama’s press does Then get ready for NFL AF (after Favre) maybe you can cheer for some other prima donna Ocho, Terell, Jay
Cutler but at least they didn’t lie constantly take their football and go home then ruin some young stars like AP
Have fun on the short bus and don’t get your tongue stuck on the window. By the way the Metrodome crew wants to remind you that those aren’t big breath mints in the urinal so stop it ! That expense is ruining their whole janitorial budget
Majik,
You are a clown. A idiodic clown. Thank God for Ted Thompson and the decision he made. Brett is Minnesota’s problem now. Thank God for Ted Thompson!!!
30PTBUCK
That post you just wrote up, that’s why you’re an embarrassment. Not just because of the garbage contained in the post, but because you actually think it was clever.
With all of your insight, please explain to me how Favre has “ruined” Adrian Peterson. I’ll be wearing my Wranglers (something you can’t do because Wrangler doesn’t make a size 56 waist) and anxiously awaiting your explanation. But this time, try to go above and beyond your 3rd grade writing level and use actual sentences and paragraphs, instead of that garbage I just sifted through.
Super
Thank God for Ted Thompson. He unknowingly gave Minnesota the division title, and a Pro Bowl quarterback.
Once again, if you’re going to call someone names indicating stupidity, why don’t you try spelling them correctly? It’s “idiotic,” not idiodic. I will tell you again, the red line underneath a word means it’s misspelled. And you put “an” before a word starting with a vowel, not a.
I’m starting to realize the difference in the split of the Packer fan base. Those who read and write above a 4th grade level were able to think freely enough to make their own decisions and not blindly support a fool such as Thompson. And those at or below the 4th grade comprehension level, well, see the above posts of Supersuckers, 30PTBUCK , Ruvell, packers4life, etc., etc.
Majik,
When is the parade for winning a 4 team division? Pro Bowl QB? Green Bay has one for alot longer then Minnesota will. Thank God for Ted Thompson! Thompson for life!!
Majik,
Son, you see, in between posts I am actually working so I type fast and do not proofread. I apologize if that makes things difficult and frustrating for you. I really do. I know it must be hard and frustrating for someone who displays nothing but hate on this site. Thompson ditched favre to the Jets for what turned out to be Clay Matthews. He didnt trade him to Minnesota. Favre finagled his way there. Thank God for Ted Thompson!!!
Majik Bullet says:
December 31, 2009 9:59 AM
Super
Thank God for Ted Thompson. He unknowingly gave Minnesota the division title, and a Pro Bowl quarterback who chokes regularly at the end of every season.
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I fixed your post.
Nuthugger.
Deanna,
where’s your retort to Brent being a ‘great leader’? Do you clam up when you know you don’t have anything left?
beddar
Brett is a great leader, and anyone trying to dispute the fact is a fool. Did you watch Monday night’s game. He rallied a team back from 17. He’s won multiple division championships, playoff games, and a Super Bowl. And the Vikings players are rallying around him instead of their coach.
It’s funny how you say the division titles mean nothing to you, yet you have all of those division champion shirts, the division championships that Favre led the team to, the same guy you hate now. Why don’t you just act like the rest of the classy Packer fans and hold a jersey and shirt burning ceremony, you douche.
Super
You’re right, Ted didn’t trade Favre to Minny, because he didn’t have the intestinal fortitude to do so. He knew Favre would own his sorry band of misfits, as evidenced by the 2 beatings issued by Favre and co. this season. And he didn’t get Matthews for Favre, the draft pick he got for Favre, which would have been much better if he had manned up and traded him to Minny, was only part of the package used to pick up Clay.
And I don’t think your shift manager at Arby’s would mind you taking an extra 10 seconds to proofread.
Super -
Comparing QBs selected in rounds five or later to QBs taken in the second round indicates you are the clown!
And yes 5th & 7th round picks get a pass. That’s why they call them steals when they turn out to make it. You know, like Tom Brady?
Feel free to feel embarrassed for yourself.
“And yes 5th & 7th round picks get a pass. That’s why they call them steals when they turn out to make it. You know, like Tom Brady?”
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That was my whole point. Thanks for making it more clear for me
“sorry band of misfits”- you mean playoff team peaking
” 2 beatings ” – you mean one semi beating. 2nd game Green Bay was 29 yards from taking the lead with two and a half minutes left without our tackles and Finley.
“Ted didn’t trade Favre to Minny, because he didn’t have the intestinal fortitude to do so” -
you mean because he had common sense. What GM would trade a player particularly a qb to a division team with the knowledge of his former teams personnel he would have. You blow my mind (and you would blow Favre’s member)
“And I don’t think your shift manager at Arby’s would mind you taking an extra 10 seconds to proofread”
- You mean restaurant manager. I am the shift manager
Super -
No, your point was comparing a 2nd round “bust” to 5th & 7th round picks that didn’t make it. They don’t call picks in the later rounds “busts”. In fact, the 2nd round pick that was there his rookie year and gone the next, that’s almost record time to give up on a high pick. Your point had nothing to do with “steals”. I realize every team has their share of busts, but your comparison was down right idiotic!
I think you should now feel embarrassed for your lame attempt to justify your comparison by claiming my point proved yours.
It did. i never called anyone a bust. Brohm was not given up on. He was on the Packers practice squad and those guys are free game for any team that wants to put them on their active roster. Buffalo saw something in him too! Thats the point. Dont put words in my mouth there tompadre.
majik asked how that briam brohm pick is working out and my point is its too early to tell. Green bay had not given up on him and Buffalo saw something in him. I referenced some of Wolfs picks WHO WE CAN DEFINITELY say didnt pan out because their careers are over. Really?????
Super
Congrats on the promotion, those 14 years of hard work and dedication has finally paid off.
And yes, I mean 2 beatings, including the second game, where the Vikes won by 12. And funny, I don’t remember the Packers being in position to take the lead with 2 and a half left, probably because they were down by 12 points with 2 and a half minutes left. Unless, of course, there is some 13 point play that only you and Ted Thompson know about. But fee free to keep making stuff up as you see fit to defend your foolishness.
And how does what Tompadre said about 5th and 7th rounders being different from 2nd rounders help prove your point? He was supporting my statement that 2nd rounders are supposed to contribute, and late rounders aren’t even a lock to make the team. You’re so ignorant, you can’t even see when you’re being made to look foolish.
Majik,
I explained my point above. Cant make it any easier then that. You are correct there was around 5 minutes left when GB had the ball at the Minnesota 29 down by 5 without their tackles and Finley. I was taking into account the approximate amount of time it might take to score on a average drive and maybe exagerratted a little. It hasnt been 14 years at Arby’s I worked my way up through Subway and Wendy’s to get to where I am at now. I do appreciate the compliment though!!
heres a little refresher for you directly from the article after the NOV 1 game
“Just like that, the offense found itself at the Minnesota 35. Rodgers hooked up with Greg Jennings on the right side for a 7-yard gain on first down to put the Packers at second-and-3 at the Minnesota 28 with just under 6 minutes remaining trailing 31-26″
Way to dodge the argument at hand Deanna. As I mentioned before, discount the whole ‘will to win’ argument and what makes Brent a great leader? Every player wants to win, but I never hear players like Ansher Allen, Korey Hall, Chris Kluwe, Garrett Wolfe, or Desmond Clark being labeled as great leaders. They all want to win on Sundays just as much as Brent does.
I never said I hate your husband. I don’t. He’s a Viking, and I hate the Vikings and their fans (or temporary followers, such as yourself). Me saying Brent wasn’t a great TEAM leader is not laced with hate. It’s Rodgers’ time now, and to be all nostalgic and continue to think about Brent would be wasting my time when the Packers are already fielding a young top-5 QB.
Super
No, it’s not too early to tell how the Brohm pick worked out. He was drafted in the second round, a pick which Thompson traded his starting defensive tackle to get. He was outplayed by a 7th round pick, and wound up 3rd on the depth chart. He was then CUT before the start of this season. Yes, he was signed to the practice squad, but you’re not looking for practice squad guys in the 2nd round. The practice squad is generally undrafted FA’s and late round picks. Brohm is a bust in Green Bay, there is no logical way to argue that he wasn’t.
Your comparison of Wolf’s late round QB picks to the 2nd rounder used on Brohm is like comparing apples and anvils. Totally different scenarios. A 7th round pick can’t be classified as a bust, anyone with any common sense knows this. Which goes a long way in explaining why you’re arguing this.
Super -
How mature of you to imply something and then scream “But I didn’t say that”. The only adults I know who do that are politicians, lawyers and car salesmen.
Majik implied Brohm is a bust. You IMPLIED (I guess since you didn’t actually state it, although implied means to indicate or suggest) by comparing Wolfe’s QB picks, that the 5th & 7th rounders were also busts. Again, even if their careers are over, they aren’t considered a bust when picked that low.
Also, when a team makes a player available to be picked up by another team they have IMPLIED they are willing to give up on him, regardless if you think otherwise.
I never minded yours or Adam Chris’ posts compared to most Packer fans because you two generally seem to try to take logical, if not biased, views on the Packers & Vikings. You mostly avoid the name calling and vulgarity which I appreciate. But when you two post biased non-sense I start to think you’re not all that different from the ignorant fans that populate this site. How sad, because I’ve enjoyed the few times we’ve had brief debates.
I simply gave majik a name he could compare Brian Brohm to as far as career stats or whatever and its turned into this? You are correct I never said anyone was a bust and I certainly agree that 5th and 7th rd draft picks generally cannot be labeled busts. But Majik wont acknowldge thompsons late round successes so I used a late round pick or three as my reference point. Do we all get it now?
For being a follower of Brent while he was on the Packers, Deanna sure does know a lot of recent Packers and Thompson history, which begs the question, if you only follow Brent, why care about the TEAM on which he plays for? I am curious to know from you that if Brent wasn’t traded to the Packers, would you still be a Falcon follower if he was still, and I put this mildly, leading that team? What came first, your husband or the Packers? If it was the latter, what kind of weak kneed fan, or follower, abandons the team just for a player?
Super
That’s not how it works. I said Brohm was a bust, which he clearly is, seeing as how he’s not on the team anymore. You compared Brohm to a 5th and 2 7th round picks who didn’t pan out. No one was ever talking about Thompson’s “late round successes.”
You’re not making any sense. You compare Brohm to 3 late rounders, then say you weren’t comparing them, but now you are comparing them again. Which is it? And here’s a quote from you…
About as well as Jay Barker one of your boy Wolf’s misses. His career is over. Jury is still out on Brohm. Way to look dumb majik.
You call Barker a miss, which is the same as a bust. Barker was a late rounder. It’s not a miss, bust, bad pick, anything. It’s a late round pick that didn’t pan out, just like the majority of late round picks. Brohm, as a 2nd round pick, was a bust. There is no way to argue that he is not.
And if Brohm were to hypothetically lead the Bills to the world championship next year and make the pro bowl what would he be?
# Supersuckers says: December 31, 2009 3:50 PM
And if Brohm were to hypothetically lead the Bills to the world championship next year and make the pro bowl what would he be?
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He would still be a Packers’ bust, because they used a 2nd round pick on him, he never saw the field, and was cut from the team after one year. It was a wasted 2nd round pick, therefore a bust.
beddar than you
Where to begin with such idiocy. Let’s start with the Deanna thing. I know you think that calling me Deanna is incredibly clever, but it’s really not. I laugh every time I see it because it shows how incredibly stupid you are. Maybe you could throw in a couple more “Bretteny’s,” you know, to really showcase that impressive vocabulary.
I don’t only follow Brett. It’s Brett, not Brent by the way. I realize that you are intentionally misspelling his name because, again, you think you’re clever. But once again, this isn’t funny, clever, or anything. It’s about as stupid as the idiots that use Karen or Erin Rodgers.
Anyway, I don’t only follow Favre. I follow the entire NFL. I know a lot of history of a lot of teams, but I know a lot more about the Packers because I followed them closely up until last year. Unlike you, I’m aware that there are 32 teams in the NFL, not just the Packers and whoever the Packers play that week.
Deanna,
Thanks for writing two paragraphs on how I pick and choose my witty vocab. Time well spent. At least I get you to admittedly laugh. But let’s get back to the subject at hand, your thoughts on how Brent is a leader outside of the 60 minutes?
And unlike you, I am a true and avid fan of the Packers and a follower of the other 31 teams. It makes complete sense. Am I going to cry and toss vengeful slurs at Marty Hurney if he decides to let Julius Peppers walk? No. Will I cry and denounce that I wlill no longer follow the Chiefs and forever hate their front office if they draft another LSU defensive linemen? No. What I don’t understand is that if you followed the Packers closely, along with the 31 other teams, why is it well documented on here that you feel as if Thompson shoved a branch right up your ass?
Majik,
What would you call Jon Michaels or Jamal Reynolds?
Anyway, I don’t only follow Favre. I follow the entire NFL. I know a lot of history of a lot of teams, but I know a lot more about the Packers because I followed them closely up until last year. Unlike you, I’m aware that there are 32 teams in the NFL, not just the Packers and whoever the Packers play that week.
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That paragraph right there says more about your character then even YOU realize it does.
“I laugh every time I see it” – No you don’t it frustrates you. Anger pours out of your posts.
Adding to Michels and Reynolds,
Hawk was a better pick than Buckley at 5th overall.
Josh Sitton was a better 4th round compensatory pick than Ross Verba was at 30th overall.
Signing a cast-off in Charles Woodson was a better personnel move than drafting Antuan Edwards 25th overall.
Bubba Franks…whatever…I could catch 2-yard TD passes my whole career too.
Wolf first rounders such as Wayne Simmons, Craig Newsome, Vonnie Holliday, and George Teague were all serviceable, never outstanding.
Besides Sharper and 5-and-in Franks, and alternate Clifton, did an early round pick by Wolf ever make a Pro Bowl?
Supersuckers says: December 31, 2009 5:01 PM
Majik,
What would you call Jon Michaels or Jamal Reynolds?
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They are busts, but I fail to see what these 2 have to do with Brohm. Why is it that when anyone insults Ted, you immediately turn to bashing Ron Wolf? Ron Wolf has nothing to do with whether or not Thompson is an idiot. Thompson’s own acts of stupidity are what justifies the idiot tag.
And how do you know if I’m laughing at something or angry about it? Are you sitting here in my office with me? No, you’re just making more shit up. Surprise, surprise to better support your stupid claims.
beddar
I’ve also made it clear on hear that I refuse to support a team with a GM who prefers stroking his own ego over fielding the best, most competitive team possible. And if there was a brain in your head, you would be pissed too. Thompson threw away a legitimate shot at another championship run when he traded Favre. This is a win now league, and he had a championship caliber team, and decided to get rid of that team’s centerpiece because he was too arrogant to deal with a little indecisiveness from Favre.
I’m fully aware Rodgers puts up big numbers, and he will be a good player. But he just didn’t find a way to win those close games in 2008, like Favre did in ’07 and his entire career. Favre’s ability to win games is an intangible that doesn’t show up on the stat sheet, but everyone knows it’s there, and only Thompson homers fail to openly admit it. And that is Favre’s leadership. He rallies players, just like he did Monday night, just like the game after his father passed, and just like he did all throughout 2007, when they won 13 games with the same roster that won 6 the next year without him.
I don’t get what ‘followed them closely’ means.
Does it mean that you visited their team website more than the other 31 teams? Was it the fact that you preferred Lambeau’s true bowl as oppose to the other 30 stadiums? Was it a weekend trip to the Packer Hall of Fame? Or was it because you chose to follow Brent and it just so happened he was on the Packers?
What’s different about us NFL followers that diss Al Davis is the fact that even if we follow the Raiders, we all really truly don’t give a shit what he does, it’s just funny to watch him do it. On the other hand, you as a ‘follower’ take the few misguided steps Thompson has taken in building this young, talented, and contending team so damn personal that it’s funny that a ‘follower’ would have the reaction you do.
NYG Steve Smith just got banged by the voters…
Anyway, I don’t only follow Favre. I follow the entire NFL. I know a lot of history of a lot of teams, but I know a lot more about the Packers because I followed them closely up until last year. Unlike you, I’m aware that there are 32 teams in the NFL, not just the Packers and whoever the Packers play that week.
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That paragraph right there says more about your character then even YOU realize it does.
“I laugh every time I see it” – No you don’t it frustrates you. Anger pours out of your posts.
“This is a win now league, and he had a championship caliber team, and decided to get rid of that team’s centerpiece because he was too arrogant to deal with a little indecisiveness from Favre.”
It’s funny how you mention that Thompson had a ‘championship caliber’ team….yet I seem to forget who the architect of this ‘championship caliber’ team was/is. Maybe it is the same guy you continue to trash.
If your argument is Rodgers couldn’t win the close games last year, so be it. I’ll take a lackluster defense and an un-clutch kicker, along with the perception that the team’s QB couldn’t win the close games over the turds that Brent has laid in the playoffs this past decade.
That INT to end the Eagles playoff was something Rodgers should look back on and study to see how exactly to win a close playoff game. Maybe he could watch the ’01 playoff loss to the Rams, in order to better see what team to throw to. Maybe he could see that throwing two INT’s and losing a fumble isn’t the recipe to beat the Falcons in the playoffs at home. Better yet, he could study the perfect throw to a sideline route, the same throw Brent intended for Driver on his final pass as a Packer. That throw was well timed, well executed, and sure helped the Giants win the NFCC. Oooooooooooops! Maybe Rodgers shouldn’t be taking notes, what was I thinking?
I agree, this is a win now league, but trying to get one or two more years out of Favre instead of giving the reigns to your future would have shown incompetence by Packers management. And Favre’s indecisiveness in holding the Packers hostage until AFTER the draft each year must be one of those ‘great leadership’ abilities your find so admirable about Brent.
And ‘a little indecisiveness’? Really, you’re giving Brent and your argument way too much credit.
“I’ve also made it clear on hear that I refuse to support a team with a GM who prefers stroking his own ego over fielding the best, most competitive team possible.”
Do you support the Colts? They field a pretty competitive team. What about the Jets? Even with a rookie QB they still field a pretty competitive team. I bet not, and I bet I know why.
Majik says,
“Ron Wolf has nothing to do with whether or not Thompson is an idiot”
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Majik it is widely known that Wolf was Thompson’s mentor and they are good friends today. Wolf actually is a Guest in Green Bay quite often. Not suprised you didnt know that however.
“Thompson threw away a legitimate shot at another championship run when he traded Favre”
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You mean when he retired and missed the offseason program?? Looks like it was the right move now with the problems he is causing in Minnesota. Championship run??? They may be on one now. One that you will miss out on if they do win it all because of your gay Favre crush
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“This is a win now league, and he had a championship caliber team, and decided to get rid of that team’s centerpiece because he was too arrogant”
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They are winning now and they have a championship caliber team. Eveyone that knows Thompson that has a public voice say he is one of the most egoless non-arrogant people they have met. That was a classless statement you made from your ass. You have no idea what Ted Thompson’s personality is. What a joke. I wonder what you would do if the packers won it all this year. you’d jump right on. I know people like you (not many thankfully) you are all the same. you think the same way, you communicate the same way, you say the same things. True arrogance is thinking you know more then you really do. You display that on here daily with a hate that is so obvious. get well man.
I should not have said ‘end’ the Eagles playoff game, as it went to OT.
I should have said, ‘failed to not only make a good decision and not throw deep into triple coverage, but also failed at, here we go again….’leading’ the Packers for the go-ahead and possibly game-winning score’.
There you have it.
Anyways, Happy New Year Deanna.
A thought for a resolution:
Let it go.
“He knew Favre would own his sorry band of misfits,”
And you still call yourself a Packer fan? Dude, quit the act and just admit it.
packers4life
Are you that incredibly stupid that you think I’m a Packers fan?
And beddar, here’s a resolution for you. Lose some weight and stop being a douchebag.
I haven’t gained a pound in years. I actually wish I could gain weight.
So the Bills hired a new GM. I bet his intention is to field the most competitive team he can provide for their fans. Are you going to support them next year?
Why not answer some of my legitimate questions or argue some points I retorted your arguments with, instead of taking that easy road and calling me a douchebag. Kind of expected coming from you and all.
Super,
I found a video of you, and I have a question for you. Does Arby’s make you wear a beard net when working the grill?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHzOcpRDiDI&feature=related
Deanna,
I still see you cower away when you know you’ve been defeated.
I own you.
Deanna,
Resolution #2:
Gender preference aside, try and get laid one of these days.
MAJIK BULLET
Happy New Year.
Wow writing posts at 1156 on New Years Eve you have quite a life. While you were in your office “mom’s basement” did you get a celebratory midnight smooch from her? Did the loving caresses on your hydrocephalic cranium and encouraging words to her special little man give you that “funny feeling” in your naughty region? You know that same feeling you get when you see the # 4 and a scruffy beard
UnfortunatelyI actually have to agree with you TT on some of his missfires he SHOULD have pulled the trigger on the Moss deal seeing him and Favre together would have been something.It would have been more impressive if Wolf would have drafted him.Moss and Favre during the prime of their careers WOW.
Alot of GM’s do what in hindsight is stupid
Ron Wolf let Tony Benett and Bryce Paup (both eventual Defensive players of the year) go. But the jury is still out on TT and his verdict will be known in a few years.
Judging by your posts here are more 20/20 hindsights.
Expecting mothers should not:
Experiment with drugs!
Drink to the point of passing out!
Well once again Momma’s special boy Happy New Year. May 2010 be filled with joy and prosperity to you and yours.I hope you finally acheive your goal of learning how to count all the way to potato
beddar
How do you own me? Because I’m not answering your completely irrelevant questions? OK, no I’m not going to cheer for the Bills next year. Yes, you are a complete idiot.
I don’t know why you’re having trouble comprehending this. I used to be a Packer fan. Then the GM dropped a big deuce on the team by refusing to let their best player unretire and come back. He doesn’t appear to have winning as his top priority, and I refuse to lay down and accept that. If winning was number one, he would have openly welcomed Favre back, to try to field the best team possible. Instead, he tried to bribe him to stay away, and then hired Ari Fleischer to try to spin this all on Favre.
I’m a free thinking individual, capable of producing my own thoughts and opinions, unlike you and the many other blind faith, never questioning fans. This is why I chhose to follow Favre, and not an infantile egomaniac such as Ted.
30PTDouche
I actually wrote it at about 10, it wasn’t posted until 11:56, because PFT screens the posts, and they probably weren’t working very hard last night, thus explaining the 2 hour delay. Are you really that incredibly stupid to think posts are up instantly?
Anyway, unlike you, I don’t feel the need to go out and drink myself into a coma because it’s a new year. I spent the night at home, with my family. Sorry I’m to busy being a good husband and father to go get drunk, do drugs, and sleep with STD riddled hookers. But congrats to you for doing so. You’re living the dream man.
Also, that whole mom’s basement thing is so cool and original. How did you ever think of something so awesome and clever? I mean, I’ve never heard such incredible, unique smack talk. If only someone else had thought up that mom’s basement dig so I could have used it. Wait, what’s that? People have been using that same lame line since the beginning of the internet? Weird, and I thought 30ptbuck was being clever and original….
beddar
I find it funny how you like to pin all of those losses on Favre, as if the rest of the team had nothing to do with it. Yes, he had a meltdown in St. Louis. But apparently, you’ve erased the 4th and 26, or Burress going for 140 yards in one half, or a defense that decided to watch Vick prance around the field all day. Yep, Favre really messed those up.
Why is that when a Favre led team loses a game, it’s because Favre blew it? But when a Rodgers led team loses, it’s a team game, a team loss? It’s not Rodgers’ fault he couldn’t close out those close games last year, and it’s not his fault he threw four picks to seal the fate of 4 different games last year. It was the defense, injuries, special teams, the O line, the refs, the sun was in his eyes, a dog was barking, a car drove by and honked the horn, etc., etc.
Majik Bullet says: January 1, 2010 11:23 AM
beddar
I find it funny how you like to pin all of those losses on Favre, as if the rest of the team had nothing to do with it.
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And I find it funny that you pin all the losses of last season on Rodgers, as if the 4th quarter defense and Crosby had nothing to do with it.
I’m not saying it was Favre’s fault or Rodgers’ fault, as I recognize that it is a team game, unlike you. Hypocritical for you to think that the team dropped those games when Favre was there, but last season it was Rodgers who you say couldn’t…….’lead’ the team to a win.
Works both ways douche.
Majik Bullet says:
December 31, 2009 11:56 PM
Super,
I found a video of you, and I have a question for you. Does Arby’s make you wear a beard net when working the grill?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHzOcpRDiDI&feature=related
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Thankfully no. Those things are itchy.
Majik,
Please provide proof that thompson is a egomaniac when EVERYONE who has spoken about him say the polar opposite. A GM’s job is to think long term. While it is important to field the most competitive team (obviously) a GM must do so without sacrificing the long term success of the franchise. Thankfully, ted Thompson (nominated for exec of the year again) did just that and shipped Favre after season 5 of waffling. Sherman let him do it and I think Favre was accustomed to special rules. Example, Childress’ tirade after the Carolina game. Say what you want about Childress but from what I read in the Twin Cities papers and KFAN Childress put favre in his place. Thankfully that was put to a halt in green Bay two years ago by Thompson. Its been two years Majik. Get the heck over it!! Ted Thompson!!!!!! EXECUTIVE OF THE YEAR NOMINEE AGAIN!!!!!!! He is right! you are wrong! You are not employed by a NFL team!! Thompson’s peers are!!
Brett Favre “Greta, I was told playing in green Bay was not a option” BALLS!!!!!! Thats what wins titles!!!! Thank you Ted for shipping Brett!!!
Sanchez will have a chance on Sunday to do what Brent couldn’t last year. Add Bart Scott and Stonehands, take away Leon Washington, and you have pretty much the same team. Taunabaum really set his ego aside to bring in Ryan, letting Brent walk and trading up to get Sanchez, and trading for Stonehands. Those are all moves that field a pretty competitive team. I bet followers of the Jets are happy how things have worked out.
Majik Bullet says:
December 31, 2009 11:56 PM
Super,
I found a video of you, and I have a question for you. Does Arby’s make you wear a beard net when working the grill?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHzOcpRDiDI&feature=related
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That’s actually pretty funny. However, given your own employment status I’m not sure you should be making fun..
http://www.americanangst.com/dingfries.html
beddar than you says:
January 1, 2010 1:04 PM
Sanchez will have a chance on Sunday to do what Brent couldn’t last year. Add Bart Scott and Stonehands, take away Leon Washington, and you have pretty much the same team. Taunabaum really set his ego aside to bring in Ryan, letting Brent walk and trading up to get Sanchez, and trading for Stonehands. Those are all moves that field a pretty competitive team. I bet followers of the Jets are happy how things have worked out.
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Absolutely. from what I hear the FAVRE is a cuss word to Jets fans. he was still under contract with them when he asked for his release. THANK YOU TED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah but according to majik favre “rallies the troops” Seems to me he is in a December swoon AGAIN! just like last year!! THANK YOU TED!!!!!!
Yes, the Jets are in position to finish 9-7, same as last year. Favre had them in position to do much better, then he got hurt. And Thomas Jones started gaining 2 YPC. And the defense started giving up more points.
But none of those factor in, according to you. It was just a Favre meltdown, right?
But if you really want to play that card, let’s do it. Yes, Sanchez has the Jets in position ot go to the playoffs, a year after Favre couldn’t get them there. So it’s all Favre’s fault. What a bad player.
So using this logic, you are admitting then that it was all Rodgers’ fault that the Packers went from 13-3 to 6-10, because they had the same team, minus Corey Williams but adding Jordy Nelson.
So which is it? You can’t have it both ways. If you’re going to blame Favre for the Jets going 9-7, then you have to blame Rodgers for 6-10.
Adam
Super is admittedly the one who works in the fast food industry, not me. But that is a nice video of your significant other. Some people on here would rip you for your lifestyle choice, but you have my full support. You guys make a nice couple.
No majik,
We are using that as a come back to YOUR logic. you know how favre took a 4-12 team to 9-7. Well…theyre they are about to be 9-7 again with a rook at QB. But in the playoffs this time. THANK YOU TED!!!!!!!!!
Super
I’ve never heard a good thing said about Thompson by anybody. I have heard Terry Bradshaw, Jason Whitlock, and every talking head in the universe after the Tampa Bay game call Ted multiple unpleasant things.
And like I’ve said about the Exec of the year nominee, big deal. The guy has 10 wins and is up for an award? This goes to show what a joke it is. The team he destroyed has improved, and now he’s being praised for it. Seems kind of foolish. And let’s not forget old Lindy, and that Coach of the Year trophy he won, only to be fired 2 years later. But hey, I bet the award looks nice on his used car sales job application.
Majik Bullet says:
January 1, 2010 1:35 PM
Adam
Super is admittedly the one who works in the fast food industry, not me. But that is a nice video of your significant other. Some people on here would rip you for your lifestyle choice, but you have my full support. You guys make a nice couple
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Is there something wrong about working in the food industry? We are the people that feed you and your family.
Majik Bullet says: January 1, 2010 1:33 PM
Yes, the Jets are in position to finish 9-7, same as last year. Favre had them in position to do much better, then he got hurt. And Thomas Jones started gaining 2 YPC. And the
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Awww come on now Deanna,
those excuses are about as good as me saying that Crosby couldn’t hit a game-ending FG last year, or the 2-minute defense was nowhere to be found.
Using your own logic to counter your claims.
I’ve mentioned it to you numerous time, I believe football is a team game and that every member of that team is accountable. Favre in the playoffs lost with the team, Favre with the Jets lost as a team, Rodgers last year lost as a member of the team. Favre and Rodgers are winning with their teams this year.
I haven’t waffled from my logic at all, I’ve simply used Favre in the playoffs and Favre on the Jets as an example to which you say Rodgers was responsible last year.
In your opinion, if it was Rodgers solely to blame in ‘leading’ the Packers to a 6-10 record last year, then it was Favre who single handily lost those playoff games and couldn’t lead the Jets last year.
I’ve made my argument a few times, so ask yourself that very question you have asked me,
because you can’t have it both ways.
Ok, Super, so you’re saying Sanchez is as good, no wait, better than Favre because they are in position to go 9-7 and make the playoffs.
So this means Favre is better than Rodgers, comparing 13-3 and playoff to 6-10. Then Sanchez is better than Favre and Rodgers. So Sanchez is one of the best QBs in the league?
All hail Sanchez. Favre should give him one of his MVP trophies for being so much better than him.
You’re an idiot, and I have to go. Keep slinging trash at me morons, I won’t ever see it, but I know you’ll keep writing.
“I’m fully aware Rodgers puts up big numbers, and he will be a good player. But he just didn’t find a way to win those close games in 2008, like Favre did in ’07 and his entire career. Favre’s ability to win games is an intangible that doesn’t show up on the stat sheet, but everyone knows it’s there, and only Thompson homers fail to openly admit it.”
Your logic:
Favre wins close games, and when the TEAM does, he is the reason why.
But when they lose, it’s not his fault that he could not ‘rally the troops’, or it is Plaxico going for 140 on Harris, or it’s 4th and 26, or it’s the defense letting Vick run wild, or it is McCarthy calling for the ill-advised bombs against Dallas, or James Jones’ fumbles against the Bears, or Jon Ryan’s inability to handle a snap or punt the ball.
When Rodgers does not win close games, and when the TEAM does not, it is Rodgers who could not ‘rally the troops’ like Brent used to do in close games, (when the TEAM won).
There is something flawed about that Deanna. Your excuses are wearing thin.
Majik,
We are simply using your own logic to retort your claims. What are you going to do if the Packers win it all? What would Ted be then in your eyes?
Majik Bullet says:
January 1, 2010 1:35 PM
Adam
Super is admittedly the one who works in the fast food industry, not me. But that is a nice video of your significant other. Some people on here would rip you for your lifestyle choice, but you have my full support. You guys make a nice couple.
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Wow, what a retort. “No, that’s not me. That’s your gay lover!”
I’m stunned. I can’t possibly come back with anything after you’ve once again flashed your brilliance and blinded me.
Anyway, everyone knows the only gay couple on these boards is you and Brett. Must suck to be the woman of the relationship, though. ‘Tis better to give than receive.
Majik Bullet says:
January 1, 2010 1:49 PM
Ok, Super, so you’re saying Sanchez is as good, no wait, better than Favre because they are in position to go 9-7 and make the playoffs.
So this means Favre is better than Rodgers, comparing 13-3 and playoff to 6-10. Then Sanchez is better than Favre and Rodgers. So Sanchez is one of the best QBs in the league?
All hail Sanchez. Favre should give him one of his MVP trophies for being so much better than him.
You’re an idiot, and I have to go. Keep slinging trash at me morons, I won’t ever see it, but I know you’ll keep writing.
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This is as close to a white surrender flag as you’ll ever find from that guy. He’s abandoning the thread because his own words have killed his argument. He’s been proven out as a hypocrite.
This is as close to a white surrender flag as you’ll ever find from that guy. He’s abandoning the thread because his own words have killed his argument. He’s been proven out as a hypocrite.
SUPERSUCKERS
GUYS LIKE YOU MAKE ME SICK
WHY WOULD YOU INSULT LAB RATS?
Wow, just wow. I know I said I was done with this thread, but this crap is just too good to read. You guys are truly moronic. It’s unbelievable.
First off, Adam retarderson, I wasn’t waiving a white flag, or conceding, or any other stupid thought you had. I had to leave, had to meet some friends (these are people you hang out with and have fun with, which you have none of) to watch Bowl games. My argument wasn’t killed, all you guys did was further support the ignorant Packer fan. You guys try to say Sanchez is better than Favre, then try to pass it off as reverse logic, as if you stooges are intelligent enough to grasp such a concept.
Also Adam, it’s funny how you bash me for using a gay joke, then immediately proceed to reference me and Brett Favre as homosexuals. You’re such a tool.
And my argument about Rodgers inability to close out games is kind of like every single Packer/ Thompson fan blames every playoff loss in the last 13 years on Favre, but when ARod loses a game, everything but Rodgers takes the fall. But it’s only being a hypocrite when I call Rodgers out for going 6-10, throwing 4 game icing INT’s.
30ptdumbass
Good to see you have recovered from your New Year’s drug, alcohol, and herpes induced coma to come sling some irrelevant trash.
And Super, if the Pack wins it all, which won’t happen because it involves beating someone other than Detroit and St. Louis on the road, then congrats to you and Ted. He will have a Championship, even though he would have had a shot at 2 if he had let Favre return, thus fielding the MOST COMPETITIVE TEAM POSSIBLE, which he would have if he had the brains to put Randy Moss and Brett Favre on the same team. But that 4th round pick (Allen Barbre) was too expensive for Moss and his 21 TD catches in one year. What a joke.
Vikings have more Pro Bowlers than Packer women have teeth.
SKOL!!!
Deanna,
you’re in the minority. In fact, you’re probably in the minority of the minority. Better yet, you are the minority.
Young, top-5 QB’s are very hard to come by these days. Barring injury, the Packers are set at the most crucial position for the next 10 years.
In Ted I Trust.
30PTBUCK says:
January 2, 2010 11:47 AM
SUPERSUCKERS
GUYS LIKE YOU MAKE ME SICK
WHY WOULD YOU INSULT LAB RATS?
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Very true. I apologize to all of the rats in captivity.
Majik,
Hindsight is always 20/20. Ted Thompson made the right call! Ted for life!!! Last year had nothing to do with Thompson. It was just a bad year. remember they fired their entire defensive staff not Rodgers. Wouldn’t that make you think the team itself blamed the defense for 6-10 and did something about it. Unless Favre was going to play amazing defense last year (an argument you use) the results would have probably been the same with Favre at QB. Maybe worse because of favre’s penchant to panic.
MNFANINAZ says:
January 2, 2010 1:45 PM
Vikings have more Pro Bowlers than Packer women have teeth.
SKOL!!!
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And if Pro Bowl players counted for anything, you might have a point.
Majik Bullet says:
January 2, 2010 1:07 PM
But that 4th round pick (Allen Barbre) was too expensive for Moss and his 21 TD catches in one year. What a joke.
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Oh, you’re so right about that one. Because every GM in the league knew Randy was going to return to form after leaving Oakland. That’s why New England had to trade the house for him.
Wait, what? They traded a 4th round pick for him? Hmmm. Maybe he wasn’t such a sure thing. Maybe you’re just a putz using hindsight to try to make Ted Thompson look like an idiot. Maybe you’re the idiot.
Supersuckers says:
January 2, 2010 4:42 PM
Majik,
Wouldn’t that make you think the team itself blamed the defense for 6-10 and did something about it. Unless Favre was going to play amazing defense last year (an argument you use) the results would have probably been the same with Favre at QB. Maybe worse because of favre’s penchant to panic.
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Precisely. As I’ve pointed out multiple times, the 2008 defense gave up 380 points. In 2007 they gave up 291. Hmmm.
What was the Packers’ record in 2006 when the defense gave up 366 points with Favre at QB? 8-8. Hmmm.
What was their record in 2005 when the defense gave up 344 points and had Favre at QB? 4-12. Hmmm.
Yeah, Fagik’s probably right. It’s all about the QB. Has nothing to do with defense. He’s such an idiot.
Deanna has nothing left, and if she does come back, it will be with the same bullshit she’s been spewing:
Favre ‘willed the team to wins’!
Rodgers can’t!
Screw defense, because my husband doesn’t play defense!
I’ll blame Al Harris, 4th & 26, the run defense, and Ted Thompson…..but I can’t turn my back on my husband!
I am getting defeated in every sort of lame attempt I try to make in thrashing Ted Thompson, only because of my boo of course, but I keep forgetting he’s nominated for NFL Executive of the Year again!
OK, you guys are right. It was all the defense last year. The defense that was on the 13-3 team returned 10 of 11 starters (the brilliant GM traded away the starting defensive tackle for essentially Brian Brohm). I bet those guys just forgot how to play in the offseason. That must be it.
I hope you’re watching the game Super. Are you still dying for that trip to the dome? If Big Ben hung a half K on that sorry secondary (minus Woodson), imagine what Favre will do in the dome.
Adam
Why so angry? I’m agreeing with you. It’s quite obvious that the defense, returning 10 of 11 starters from the 13-3 campaign, is to blame. They clearly lost the ability to play football over the offseason. I think I even saw AJ braiding his hair in game once, and Johnny Jolly mixing up some of his special go juice in the huddle.
It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with a change to the most important position in the game.
Deanna,
I also saw last week what Matt Moore did to the Giants secondary, the same Matt Moore that beat the Vikings the week before. Keep taking shit.
Deanna,
I also saw last week what Matt Moore did to the Giants secondary, the same Matt Moore that beat the Vikings the week before. Keep taking shit.
beddar than you says: January 3, 2010 2:53 PM
Deanna,
I also saw last week what Matt Moore did to the Giants secondary, the same Matt Moore that beat the Vikings the week before. Keep taking shit.
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So are you trying to say Matt Moore is better than Rodgers, seeing as how he beat the Vikes, while Rodgers failed to do so in 2 attempts?
And yes, I will keep talking shit. The Vikings are beating an 8-7 team 44-0, which is pretty impressive, especially considering “experts” such as yourself, Superdouche, and Shitterson had all declared the Vikings dead and the schism to great to overcome.
I’m not saying Matt Moore is better, clearly he is not. I am just using the flawed logic that you love to use to set you in your place. You’re used to it by now.
Being passive aggressive in attempting to back up your empty claims is like what Adam said, about as close to waving a white flag as you can.
Majik,
for being a grammar and spelling douchebag, you should check out the context in which you used ‘to’. I guess that little red line doesn’t fix errors such as that.
Majik Bullet says:
January 3, 2010 2:48 PM
Adam
Why so angry? I’m agreeing with you. It’s quite obvious that the defense, returning 10 of 11 starters from the 13-3 campaign, is to blame. They clearly lost the ability to play football over the offseason. I think I even saw AJ braiding his hair in game once, and Johnny Jolly mixing up some of his special go juice in the huddle.
It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with a change to the most important position in the game.
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OK.. So in your estimation, defensive points allowed should be awarded based on bame recognition and prior performance? Is that your point? I think we might be getting to the root of your problem here.
Let me make this perfectly clear. The defense allowed nearly 100 more points in 2008 than they did in 2007. Several games in 2008 were lost on the defense’s inability to stop opponents and hold leads. But you think those points should not have been allowed because this was a 13-3 team from a year ago?
You should just stop now. Your argument gets more pathetic as you continue. That’s actually something I didn’t think was possible.
Oh, one other thing. The change to the most important position in the game… Yeah, huge difference there.
2007 (Favre): 4155 passing yards, 28 TDs, 15 INTs, 95.7 QB rating, 12 yards rushing, 0 rushing TDs.
2008 (Rodgers): 4038 passing yards, 28 TDs, 13 INTs, 93.8 QB rating, 207 yards rushing, 4 rushing TDs.
Yeah, they really suffered at that “most important position in the game”. If Favre is so much better than Rodgers, why did he have nearly identical passing numbers with a nearly identical offense? Riddle me that, bitch.
Majik Bullet says:
January 3, 2010 3:22 PM
And yes, I will keep talking shit. The Vikings are beating an 8-7 team 44-0, which is pretty impressive, especially considering “experts” such as yourself, Superdouche, and Shitterson had all declared the Vikings dead and the schism to great to overcome.
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Show me. Show me where I “declared the Vikings dead and the schism to (sic) great to overcome”.
I’ve said that Favre fades late in seasons. And that’s something he’s proven for me. I never wrote them off. But if you insist I did, please provide the proof.
Adam
Riddle me this. 13-3 to 6-10. 20 of 22 starters returning. 10 of 11 defensive starters returning. While your stat line is cute, the stat that matters is wins and losses. Rodgers threw 4 game ending INTs in one season. 4. 25% of their games. And those 4 losses were the difference between the playoffs and 3rd in the division. You keep saying my argument is getting worse, but the stats don’t lie. 13-3 to 6-10, with almost the identical team Favre had.
Majik doesn’t know says: January 3, 2010 4:59 PM
Majik,
for being a grammar and spelling douchebag, you should check out the context in which you used ‘to’. I guess that little red line doesn’t fix errors such as that.
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How sad is your existence that you have to change your screen name so it’s about me? You’re a truly sad individual.
Yes, I admit, I had a grammatical error. I missed the double tap on the O. But the only reason I originally pointed out Super’s errors was because of the irony, as he was insulting my intelligence in a 2 sentence post with multiple errors.
As for my logic, you as a Packer fan have little room to talk. You have pointed out, long before this thread, that Favre lost a lot of games single handed. But when a Rodgers led team loses, it’s a team game.
My logic regarding the 13-3 to 6-10 is hard to argue. 20 of 22 starters returning. Favre and Williams gone, but Rodgers replaced Favre, and according to you and Ted Thompson, Rodgers is an upgrade. So why the 7 game difference? I know, blame the D. The same D that was good enough to win 13 games a year before.
The only significant change to the team was at QB. So it’s only logical to assume that this change was the major difference in the 2 seasons.
Majik Bullet says:
January 3, 2010 3:22 PM
The Vikings are beating an 8-7 team 44-0, which is pretty impressive, especially considering “experts” such as yourself, Superdouche, and Shitterson had all declared the Vikings dead and the schism to great to overcome.
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Hell, I even picked the Vikings to win this week. Declared them dead? Yeah. Uh huh. Find the quote.
Unfortunately, I also picked the Cardinals to win. Speaking of which, if it’s impressive that an 11-4 team would beat an 8-7 team soundly, then it must be REALLY impressive that a 10-5 team (one which you’d have us believe can’t beat anyone on the road) is currently whipping up on a 10-5 team.
Majik Bullet says:
January 3, 2010 5:24 PM
Adam
Riddle me this. 13-3 to 6-10. 20 of 22 starters returning. 10 of 11 defensive starters returning. While your stat line is cute, the stat that matters is wins and losses. Rodgers threw 4 game ending INTs in one season. 4. 25% of their games. And those 4 losses were the difference between the playoffs and 3rd in the division. You keep saying my argument is getting worse, but the stats don’t lie. 13-3 to 6-10, with almost the identical team Favre had.
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Are you even aware there’s three phases of the game? In how many games did Rodgers lead fourth quarter drives to take the lead or tie the game? And in how many of those games did the defense cough it up promptly? In how many of those games did McCarthy go ultra-conservative in the playcalling once the Packers reached field goal range? I don’t even know how many times they got to the 30 or 35 and then ran three times and kicked. Playcalling was terrible, defense and special teams were terrible.
The Packers allowed an average of 10 points in the fourth quarter of those close losses. Is that on Rodgers?
In 2008 Rodgers had 4 TDs and 1 INT when trailing by one score. Wow, you’re right. That’s brutal. It’s a far cry from your lover’s performance in 2007. Favre had 1 TD and 1 INT in the same situation in 2007. With a much lower QB rating, as well.
Whatever you come up with, there’s a reply for it. And that’s because you’re just flat wrong. Was Rodgers perfect? Of course not. Is there any reason to try to make the case that he “couldn’t win games” or “couldn’t get it done”? Not if your brain works.
I think it’s hilarious how you want to point out how many starters returned. How many of the Titans starters returned this season? Did they get back to 13 wins? Oh, it must be because they didn’t have last year’s “most important player on the field”. Wait, what? They DID have Kerry Collins? And he went winless?
Wow. There must be strange forces at work here. We all know if he produced 13 wins in 2008, he should be able to produce 13 wins again in 2009. You’re a tool.
Actually, I take that back. Tools have a purpose.
Adam
Really? You’re really going to take any stock in this Packer win? The Cards started pulling starters in the 1st quarter, and they have nothing to play for. Unlike McCarthy, Whisenhunt is a good coach, who didn’t want to tip his hand, as he realizes they will play again next week in a game that actually matters. I suppose you think the Colts are done now too, they’ve lost 2 in a row. You probably think preseason games matter, too.
And how was Favre’s December swoon? He looked awful today, didn’t he?
Majik Bullet says:
January 3, 2010 5:36 PM
My logic regarding the 13-3 to 6-10 is hard to argue. 20 of 22 starters returning. Favre and Williams gone, but Rodgers replaced Favre, and according to you and Ted Thompson, Rodgers is an upgrade. So why the 7 game difference? I know, blame the D. The same D that was good enough to win 13 games a year before.
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Yeah, it’s really hard to argue. Unless you can form cogent thoughts.
“No, no, no. Don’t look at the fact that the defense took a major step backwards. Don’t look at the fact that Rodgers’ performance was nearly a carbon copy of Favre’s performance from the prior year. Just look at the name on the back of the jersey. That’s what it’s about.”
You’re an idiot, and you’re not getting any better at this whole thinking thing. For your sake I hope your job doesn’t require it.
Dumb Ass says:
In 2008 Rodgers had 4 TDs and 1 INT when trailing by one score. Wow, you’re right. That’s brutal. It’s a far cry from your lover’s performance in 2007. Favre had 1 TD and 1 INT in the same situation in 2007. With a much lower QB rating, as well.
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And where did we find this made up stat?
Week 4
# GB 21 TB 23 Plays: 10
# 2-10-GB 40 (2:19) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right intended for 80-D.Driver INTERCEPTED by 90-G.Adams [91-G.White] at TB 47. 90-G.Adams to GB 48 for 5 yards (87-J.Nelson).
Week 5
# ATL 20 GB 17 Plays: 6
# 3-19-GB 21 (4:42) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right intended for 82-R.Martin INTERCEPTED by 59-M.Boley at GB 35. 59-M.Boley to GB 19 for 16 yards (32-B.Jackson).
Week 13
# CAR 35 GB 31 Plays: 2 Possession: 0:27
# Green Bay Packers at 01:30
# 2-10-GB 17 (1:19) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep right intended for 80-D.Driver INTERCEPTED by 52-J.Beason at CAR 39. 52-J.Beason to CAR 39 for no gain (80-D.Driver).
Week 14
# HST 10 GB 7 Plays: 8 Possession: 3:17
# Green Bay Packers at 01:50
# 3-3-HOU 47 (:38) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left intended for 85-G.Jennings INTERCEPTED by 23-D.Robinson at HST 40. 23-D.Robinson pushed ob at HST 40 for no gain (85-G.Jennings).
Week 15
# GB 16 JAX 20 Plays: 6 Possession: 3:39
# Green Bay Packers at 01:56
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# 2-2-GB 48 (:46) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep middle intended for 86-D.Lee INTERCEPTED by 25-R.Nelson at JAX 27. 25-R.Nelson to JAX 27 for no gain (86-D.Lee). The Replay Assistant challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld.
There’s 5 INTs when trailing by one scores, 4 of them were game icing. Please stop making things up.
“As for my logic, you as a Packer fan have little room to talk. You have pointed out, long before this thread, that Favre lost a lot of games single handed. But when a Rodgers led team loses, it’s a team game.”
Oops, wrong again douche. Show me where I said Favre was solely responsible. Another empty claim. I’m used to them now.
“My logic regarding the 13-3 to 6-10 is hard to argue. 20 of 22 starters returning. Favre and Williams gone, but Rodgers replaced Favre, and according to you and Ted Thompson, Rodgers is an upgrade. So why the 7 game difference? I know, blame the D. The same D that was good enough to win 13 games a year before. ”
An idiot could look up and down the roster and see that the names on the team didn’t change. Congrats to you.
I would also assume that an idiot could look at the final stat sheet, and see that the same defense gave up 100 more points a year later. Hopefully, this idiot could comprehend that based on giving up 100 more points, that the team’s overall performance would not be the same as the year before. Overall results will change. Even with the same statistical play from the QB position, the defense still gave up those points. So saying that, I would hope that this idiont could put it all together to form a knowledgable and comprehensive opinion as to the performance of the team. So shame on you.
Majik Bullet says:
January 3, 2010 6:34 PM
Dumb Ass says:
In 2008 Rodgers had 4 TDs and 1 INT when trailing by one score. Wow, you’re right. That’s brutal. It’s a far cry from your lover’s performance in 2007. Favre had 1 TD and 1 INT in the same situation in 2007. With a much lower QB rating, as well.
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And where did we find this made up stat?
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Seriously? NFL.COM situational statistics. That’s where.
beddar
You use in game stats, defensive and QB numbers. I am basing my claim on wins and losses. I can see where you’re coming from, but my point stands to reason as well.
What’s funny is how you tell me to get over it, but I already have. I chose my allegiances, just as you did. But it’s clear that you haven’t gotten over Favre, you’re still bitter that he is a Viking, and having more success than your team. It’s understandable. It must have been crushing to see the best player to ever wear green and gold come back wearing purple, and rip your team to shreds.
He’s playing as good or better than he ever did in Green Bay, which is saying a lot of his play considering his achievements. So it’s understandable that you’re angry. Just try to keep it in a little bit and stop acting like a child. You’re a grown ass man, start acting like it.
Majik Bullet says:
January 3, 2010 6:16 PM
Adam
Really? You’re really going to take any stock in this Packer win? The Cards started pulling starters in the 1st quarter, and they have nothing to play for. Unlike McCarthy, Whisenhunt is a good coach, who didn’t want to tip his hand, as he realizes they will play again next week in a game that actually matters. I suppose you think the Colts are done now too, they’ve lost 2 in a row. You probably think preseason games matter, too.
And how was Favre’s December swoon? He looked awful today, didn’t he?
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First of all, yes the Cardinals started sitting their starters when the game was getting away from them. 14-0 before Warner came out. Do you really think that was their game plan? Get behind big early, give the Packers a false sense of security and pull Warner? Is that what a “good coach” does?
And if I can’t put any stock in this Packers win, how much can you put in the Vikings win? Were they already eliminated from playoff contention prior to the beginning of the game or did they only need about 5 other teams to lose in order to squeak in? Your hypocrisy is showing. “A 44-7 win at home over a non-playoff team is MUCH more impressive than a 33-7 road victory over a playoff team.”
Every argument you make is completely one-sided. Rodgers is the worst QB ever, even if his 2008 performance was identical to Favre’s 2007 performance. Thompson picking Rodgers was a pick even a monkey could make, but Rodgers sucks and he should’ve picked someone to play in 2007. Get out of the past, idiot. The pick was brilliant. They’re set at QB for the entirety of Rodgers’ career.
Regarding Favre: no, he looked pretty damn good today. But the fact remains.. His QB rating in December slipped 45 points from November. I suppose you’ll blame that on his offensive line or his coach… Even though he routinely audibles out of the plays his coach calls.
But now you’re changing the topic. Tell me again how many starters the Packers returned from 2007? You’re totally right about that. Rodgers forced all those defensive players to suck ass in 2008. We need to get to the bottom of that.
Also, beddar, see my post to Adam regarding Rodgers’ 4 game sealing picks. Then tack on his failure to score against the Titans with a tie score and 5 minutes left, or against Houston with a tie and 4 minutes left. It’s hard to pin those on the defense.
And I know, Favre has had his share of game ending failures. But he has had a lot more game ending heroics. You pointed out 3 or 4 games that Favre “choked.” I pointed out 6 for Rodgers, and those were all in one season. And that doesn’t even account for the 2 drives that stalled and ended in missed field goals. I know this is only opinion, but it’s hard to believe Favre wouldn’t pull out at least 4 of those 8 games, which would have been good enough for 10-6. Like I said, pure speculation, but pretty hard to think it wouldn’t happen.
I know this is impossible for you to accept, because it doesn’t have any stats to back it up, and it would totally make your idol Ted look like an ass. But try to think freely for a second, and not just blindly agree with all things Green Bay. You’ll be surprised at what you actually see.
# Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: January 3, 2010 7:36 PM
Majik Bullet says:
January 3, 2010 6:34 PM
Dumb Ass says:
In 2008 Rodgers had 4 TDs and 1 INT when trailing by one score. Wow, you’re right. That’s brutal. It’s a far cry from your lover’s performance in 2007. Favre had 1 TD and 1 INT in the same situation in 2007. With a much lower QB rating, as well.
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And where did we find this made up stat?
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Seriously? NFL.COM situational statistics. That’s where.
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I’m guessing you misread them (shocker), because those examples I posted, the 5 picks that you said there was only one of, those were all taken from NFL.com play by play breakdowns.
And yeah, let’s all blame Rodgers for that Panthers loss. He drove them down to take the lead with 2 minutes left. So what happened?
45 yard kick return (special teams).
54 yard pass play (defense).
1 yard TD run.
Yep. Rodgers helped the Packers take the lead with 2 minutes to go and watched helplessly while the defense and special teams gave away the lead in three short plays.
Only an idiot like you would blame that game on Rodgers. 300 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT. Terrible game, right? He should’ve been benched for that performance.
As for the statistics.. Blame NFL.com. That’s where they came from.
Now should we go back and look at all of Favre’s INTs over the prior 16 years and figure out how many came when the Packers were trailing and how many were game-icing? He had some doozies.
Acting like a child? Please. He’s calling a spade a spade. Or more appropriately, he’s calling an idiot an idiot.
Adam
I see you’re making up more things, and claiming that I said them. I never once said a monkey could have picked Rodgers. I thought it was a bad pick at the time, it wasn’t a need. They had their QB of the future, and he’s still performing at MVP level 5 years later, which means I was right in thinking they didn’t need to draft a QB.
I have never once said Rodgers was the worst QB ever, I’ve never even called him a bad player. In fact, I’ve always said he was a good player, and even said he deserved to be in the Pro Bowl, right behind Favre on the depth chart, where he has always belonged.
No I don’t blame his QB rating slipping on any of those things. I’m not a Packer fan remember, so I don’t blame losses and poor play on refs, equipment managers, bus drivers, or the Starbucks counter jockey that you routinely blame. He had 2 bad games, bad games happen over the course of a 16 game season. I think he has rebounded from those games pretty convincingly.
And it’s pretty ironic that you, the jersey burner and fake funeral pall bearer, are telling me to stop living in the past and get over it. Take your own advice, and stop bashing the guy who brought Green Bay back to NFL relevancy after 25 years of being the league’s equivalent to a Siberian prison for players, which it’s starting to become once again, based on a poll of almost 300 current players, who rank Green Bay as the 3rd worst team to play for, worse than Detroit and Cleveland. I wonder if your hero Ted and his treatment of players has anything to do with that….
Adam
Based on your past statistical research, don’t bother to go back and look up Favre’s stats, or any other stats for that matter. I’ve seen your handy work, i.e. the free agent episode, and now this one. You don’t quite have the comprehension skills required to acquire that information. You’re just a little behind the rest of the 4th grade class.
As for the Carolina game, I was just trying to show you one of the 5 INTs he had when down by one score. It just happened to be a game icing pick when he had a chance to lead the team to a win. But it’s not his fault, it was the special teams, the defense, and the hot dog vendor’s fault. No, wait, I bet it was Brett Favre’s fault. Well, him and global warming of course.
I know this is impossible for you to accept, because it doesn’t have any stats to back it up, and it would totally make your idol Ted look like an ass. But try to think freely for a second, and not just blindly agree with all things Green Bay. You’ll be surprised at what you actually see.
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Wow, you are actually asking me to think freely?
Here’s a thought, you dissed an entire team and organization to follow one man. So by me asking you to think freely for a second and not agree with all things Favre would be too much to ask, wouldn’t it?
Adam-Chris Scheftersen says:
January 3, 2010 8:11 PM
Yep. Rodgers helped the Packers take the lead with 2 minutes to go and watched helplessly while the defense and special teams gave away the lead in three short plays.
If Favre were the QB, he would have ‘rallied the troops’ from the sideline on that last defensive series. Favre would have been screaming with so much encouragment that Woodson would have heard Favre, timed his jump better, then miraculously batted that ball down. That is Favre’s leadership right there, rallying those troops.
Oh but he wasn’t so the easiest way to conclude why this defeat happened is to blame Rodgers for leading the offense down for the go-ahead score, and then blame Rodgers for the lack of a deafening voice from the sideline.
Majik Bullet says:
January 3, 2010 8:26 PM
Adam
I see you’re making up more things, and claiming that I said them. I never once said a monkey could have picked Rodgers. I thought it was a bad pick at the time, it wasn’t a need. They had their QB of the future, and he’s still performing at MVP level 5 years later, which means I was right in thinking they didn’t need to draft a QB.
I have never once said Rodgers was the worst QB ever, I’ve never even called him a bad player. In fact, I’ve always said he was a good player, and even said he deserved to be in the Pro Bowl, right behind Favre on the depth chart, where he has always belonged.
No I don’t blame his QB rating slipping on any of those things. I’m not a Packer fan remember, so I don’t blame losses and poor play on refs, equipment managers, bus drivers, or the Starbucks counter jockey that you routinely blame. He had 2 bad games, bad games happen over the course of a 16 game season. I think he has rebounded from those games pretty convincingly.
And it’s pretty ironic that you, the jersey burner and fake funeral pall bearer, are telling me to stop living in the past and get over it. Take your own advice, and stop bashing the guy who brought Green Bay back to NFL relevancy after 25 years of being the league’s equivalent to a Siberian prison for players, which it’s starting to become once again, based on a poll of almost 300 current players, who rank Green Bay as the 3rd worst team to play for, worse than Detroit and Cleveland. I wonder if your hero Ted and his treatment of players has anything to do with that….
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Then it was Pervy or Jeff who said a monkey could’ve picked Rodgers. Obviously it’s a funny comment because in a vain attempt to tear down Ted Thompson, it props up Aaron Rodgers. Either way, you and those two dunderheads are just three holes on the same ass.
“Still performing at an MVP level?” How about “performing at an MVP level again”? That makes more sense. I wouldn’t call anything about last season “MVP level”.
You said Rodgers deserved to be in the Pro Bowl? A guy who can’t win games? A guy who throws “game-icing INTs”? Doesn’t sound to me like those two statements mesh.
Favre had two bad games? But the Vikings have lost 4. By your own admittance, those 4 losses all fall to the QB, right? So he’s had 4 bad games, right?
Ron Wolfe brought Green Bay back to relevancy. You cannot put that all on Brett Favre. He had a prominent place in it, but Wolfe put all the pieces in place, including Reggie White, Mike Holmgren, Favre, Sean Jones, Keith Jackson, etc, etc. Try to pull Brett’s cock out of your mouth long enough to understand that.
And please produce these poll results. I’d like to see that. It won’t surprise me too much if it’s true. Let’s face it, Green Bay is far and away the smallest market in the league. That’s probably what that poll would indicate.
Now, should we go through all of Favre’s years and find out how many INTs he threw with the Packers down one score? You’d like to blame Rodgers for each and every one of those 10 losses last season, but give Favre a free pass for his dreadful performance in 2005, for the 317 INTs he’s thrown, for trashing his team management in the media (several different teams now, mind you), etc, etc.
I don’t agree with all things Favre. I openly call him on his poor choices in game, and I was one of the first to say he played terribly in Arizona. I also wasn’t a fan of his indecisiveness or his willingness to talk to the media so freely, but it’s who he is.
But you can’t deny his desire to win, and that he puts winning above everything else, including his own health. The same can’t be said about Thompson and his desire to field a winning team. While I fully understand Ted wants to win, it just seems his ego and doing things his own way are Thompson’s top priority, and if he can win doing this it’s just an added bonus.
I didn’t “diss” the Packers, the Packers management dissed their fans by refusing to let Favre come back, which proves they didn’t make fielding the best team possible their top priority. Only blind faith, close minded, never questioning fans such as yourself wouldn’t question these motives.
Majik Bullet says:
January 3, 2010 8:38 PM
Adam
Based on your past statistical research, don’t bother to go back and look up Favre’s stats, or any other stats for that matter. I’ve seen your handy work, i.e. the free agent episode, and now this one. You don’t quite have the comprehension skills required to acquire that information. You’re just a little behind the rest of the 4th grade class.
As for the Carolina game, I was just trying to show you one of the 5 INTs he had when down by one score. It just happened to be a game icing pick when he had a chance to lead the team to a win. But it’s not his fault, it was the special teams, the defense, and the hot dog vendor’s fault. No, wait, I bet it was Brett Favre’s fault. Well, him and global warming of course.
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Such an idiot. Rodgers brought them back with 2 minutes to play. They (special teams and defense) give up the lead in mere seconds. How times times does Aaron Rodgers need to win a game to make you happy?
And as I said earlier, if you don’t like the stats I produced, take it to NFL.com. They’re the source.
WK 16:
GB leads CHI 17-10 with 12:58 in the 4th after a Crosby FG. After the defense let Forte and the Bears march down the field (7 for 46 yds) and score a TD. 17-17.
Rodgers and the Packers begin the final drive at the CHI 35 with 3:05 to go. After getting a first down with the ball at the 24:
Grant for 1, Grant for 4, Grant for -1.
Crosby’s 38 yard FG is blocked.
Regulation ends with an Orton kneel, Bears win on a Gould FG in OT.
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So Majik’s school of theory says:
Don’t give credit to Rodgers for getting the Packers to a 17-10 lead.
Who cares about the rush defense letting Forte go for 46 for the tying score?
What is playcalling? Conservative playcalling? I thought Favre called the plays.
You can win a game by kicking a FG? I thought you only win on Favre two-minute TD passes? Well I can’t blame Crosby for not winning the game.
So who does that leave? No rush defense, conservative playcalling, blocked FG….?.?
Rodgers! That is who I’ll blame it on! Favre would’ve won, no question. I even said in an earlier post of mine that I would “speculate” that Favre would have won this game.
Majik Bullet says:
January 3, 2010 9:12 PM
I don’t agree with all things Favre. I openly call him on his poor choices in game, and I was one of the first to say he played terribly in Arizona. I also wasn’t a fan of his indecisiveness or his willingness to talk to the media so freely, but it’s who he is.
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You weren’t a fan of his indecisiveness? Well shit, apparently neither was TT and MM after four offseasons of indecisiveness. But hey, let’s trash TT and MM for not putting up with the indevisiveness….makes sense.