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Charlie Armey: Mike Martz would ruin Cutler

Former Rams head coach Mike Martz says he’s interested in becoming the offensive coordinator of the Chicago Bears.

Charlie Armey, who served as the Rams’ general manager while Martz was in St. Louis, would strongly urge the Bears not to hire Martz.

“I don’t think Martz would work well with Jay Cutler at all,” Armey told Melissa Isaacson of ESPNChicago.com. “He’s a terrible . . . coach, and he would ruin that kid like he ruined Kurt Warner and drove him out of St. Louis. He’s the worst thing that could happen to any young quarterback.”

In fairness to Martz, it’s fairly ridiculous to say he “ruined” Kurt Warner. The truth is, before he played for Martz, Warner had bounced around the league without accomplishing anything, and the Rams’ front office thought so little of him that they left him unprotected in the expansion draft. Then Martz came along, Trent Green got hurt, Warner became the starter, and the rest was history. If “ruining” Jay Cutler means getting him a Super Bowl ring and a couple of MVP awards, Cutler would probably appreciate being ruined.

But Armey does know what it’s like to work with Martz, and he thinks Bears coach Lovie Smith — who was Martz’s defensive coordinator with the Rams — will hire Martz in Chicago. That’s a decision that Armey says Smith will live to regret.

“I would guess Lovie would hire him because there’s a lot of loyalty there,” Armey said. “But I think it would be an absolute mistake, and it would shorten Lovie’s career.”

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34 Responses to “Charlie Armey: Mike Martz would ruin Cutler”
  1. FlorioIsABum says: Jan 6, 2010 3:18 PM

    So basically the entire point of this article is the fact that Charlie Armey is an idiot?
    Mike Martz got 2 4000 Yard seasons out of JON KITNA. I guess he ruined him too?

  2. The Rural Juror says: Jan 6, 2010 3:19 PM

    A quarterback can throw 25 picks and still have the possibility of becoming “ruined?”
    Wow. Welcome to the land of low expectations.

  3. jliskiew says: Jan 6, 2010 3:21 PM

    Are you sure this wasnt actually said by Todd McShay, who said Martz “ruined” the great Andre Woodson in a matter of 4 days at the 2008 Senior Bowl?

  4. Bob says: Jan 6, 2010 3:22 PM

    Never heard of Charlie Armey, but I know who Mike Martz is. Think that says plenty about the credibility (or lack thereof) of Charlie Armey.

  5. Citizen Strange says: Jan 6, 2010 3:22 PM

    I always thought that Martz had a really great offensive mind with the one exception being that he doesn’t protect his quarteback.
    All those receiving mismatches he creates are based on minimal QB protection.

  6. Seeryer says: Jan 6, 2010 3:22 PM

    “Then Martz came along, Trent Green got hurt, Warner became the starter, and the rest was history. If “ruining” Jay Cutler means getting him a Super Bowl ring and a couple of MVP awards, Cutler would probably appreciate being ruined.”
    So the picture I have in my head of Warner crying with Vermeil with the Lombardi trophy was really Mike Martz?

  7. wrath4771 says: Jan 6, 2010 3:24 PM

    Yeah he “ruined” Warner by getting him killed between 2002-2004 by refusing to run the ball and neglecting an offensive line that was deteriorating rapidly. Martz did some wonderful things as the coordinator in St. Louis, but he also had Dick Vermeil to reign him in and force him to run the ball with Faulk. If Martz could have put away pride and ego and ran the ball in 2001, the Rams would probably have won Super Bowl XXXVI because with everyone dropping into coverage, the Patriots were having trouble stopping Faulk running outside – you know – when they bothered to run Faulk.

  8. BearsFan18 says: Jan 6, 2010 3:25 PM

    I like the idea of Martz in Chicago. Martz in Detroit (at the time no running game) and San Francisco (no clear choice at QB) was a disaster. When he was in St. Louis he had Warner, Faulk, Bruce, Holt, etc… If and that is a big IF you have the receivers develop into better than average, the Bears may be unstoppable. Just my two cents as you can see I have to hope for the best as I am a Bears fan. The defense has to be able to stop giving up points as well, but that is another whole conversation.

  9. texasPHINSfan says: Jan 6, 2010 3:27 PM

    Color me confused. Doesn’t Martz run a very pass-happy offense? Greatest show on turf stuff, right?
    How is that a QB’s worst nightmare?
    It can’t possibly be any worse than Ron Turner was for Jay Cutler. Maybe Armey is confusing Turner with Martz

  10. Ron E says: Jan 6, 2010 3:30 PM

    Martz worked wonders in St Louis, but failed in SF. It’s funny that Charlie Armey would say such a thing about Martz considering. I agree that Jay Cutler and Mike Martz will not mix well. I would have thought Martz would have done well in SF, and the fact that Chicago and SF have similar offensive pieces would concern me.
    I think Cutler is a good QB, but doesn’t have the WR talent. Knox and Hester are more like #3 WRs. He needs an Eddie Royal / Brandon Marshall or Wes Welker /Randy Moss like combo.
    If I were Chicago, I’d go after Bruce Arians.

  11. slipkid says: Jan 6, 2010 3:31 PM

    well, lovey only has one more chance, and i dont expect martz would knowingly try to undermine him.
    and the 0-16 season sure wasnt martz’s fault in detroit.
    martz does demand discipline from a qb and cutler needs it.

  12. Bearsbacker says: Jan 6, 2010 3:35 PM

    wow those are some harsh words from his former GM, especially since he did lead them to a super bowl. I think Martz isn’t the right guy for the Bears, Jeremy Bates needs to be the guy the Bears sign, because of his relationship with Cutler. Just my two cents. We’ll see what happens.
    -Bearsbacker

  13. realitypolice says: Jan 6, 2010 3:48 PM

    Seeryer says:
    January 6, 2010 3:22 PM
    “Then Martz came along, Trent Green got hurt, Warner became the starter, and the rest was history. If “ruining” Jay Cutler means getting him a Super Bowl ring and a couple of MVP awards, Cutler would probably appreciate being ruined.”
    So the picture I have in my head of Warner crying with Vermeil with the Lombardi trophy was really Mike Martz?
    ——————————
    I’m sure that author of the post was referring to the fact that Martz was the offensive co-ordinator that year and would have as much to do with Warner’s development as Vermeil, dumbass.
    Obviously Armey has an ax to grind with Martz. For whatever his flaws, the idea that Martz doesn’t know how to get the most out of a QB (see- kitna, jon) is ludicrous.

  14. jeffragnarchicken says: Jan 6, 2010 3:48 PM

    Bob says:
    January 6, 2010 3:22 PM
    Never heard of Charlie Armey, but I know who Mike Martz is. Think that says plenty about the credibility (or lack thereof) of Charlie Armey.
    ===============================
    Because some schmo on a website doesn’t know who he is means he has no credibility?
    That is comical.

  15. Cecil says: Jan 6, 2010 3:52 PM

    Mike Martz also had an offensive line that allowed him to call all those downfield routes–the dude loves to put as many people out as possible, which means you better have a young Orlando Pace, or close, for the offense to work.
    Chicago doesn’t have that. Cutler might literally die in that scheme.

  16. Garbanzo says: Jan 6, 2010 3:54 PM

    Rural Juror: Yep, a highly talented QB sure is ruined after throwing 20 plus interceptions in a season, they simply can’t rebound from it. That Brett Favre guy and that waste of talent Peyton Manning sure sucked after they had a year full of ints in their 3rd or 4th year.

  17. spliffbunker says: Jan 6, 2010 4:02 PM

    Mike Martz quoted in July 2008
    ” Our quarterbacks don’t come out, and we don’t give them, ‘OK now, you can throw the ball deep, you can throw it intermediate or you can check it down.’ They don’t have those options. Here’s what the play is. The ball should go here with this kind of coverage. Make the throw. It’s not there, check it down, you see what I’m saying? We don’t give them that kind of flexibility. We don’t do that here. It’s very, very, very, very structured and rigid, and that’s the only way this thing works. They don’t come back and play and have an option to throw it deep, middle, or check. They don’t have that based on how they feel, if they want to throw it deep, or if they want to check it down. It’s they have to read and see what the defense does and make that decision off of that. But it’s not one, it’s not a judgment of what they want to do, it’s a reaction of what the defense has taken away, and that’s how we do it.”
    not sure how that would work with Cutler

  18. VonClausewitz says: Jan 6, 2010 4:04 PM

    This from an enabler of one of the most dysfunctional and incompetent front offices ever, who has worked overtime since Martz left the Rams at smearing his name.
    Yeah.
    We trust you.
    Go back to sleep America.

  19. HarrisonHits says: Jan 6, 2010 4:05 PM

    How can you ruin what’s already broken and has the brain of a mentally deficient chipmunk ?

  20. The Rural Juror says: Jan 6, 2010 4:09 PM

    Cutler is no Manning OR Favre.
    But you’re right. And the Bears can probably help develop Cutler by getting him some WR and line help in the next few drafts…

  21. Kryptoid says: Jan 6, 2010 4:11 PM

    That is an insult to the mentally deficient chipmunks out there

  22. Youngone says: Jan 6, 2010 4:15 PM

    Martz doesn’t have it anymore. Cutler won’t appreciate all the sacks that he will take because, lets face it, he is a pussy

  23. Real Football Fan says: Jan 6, 2010 4:28 PM

    Wow, those front office losers from St. Louis that drove the franchise to the point where they’ve picked number 1 and number 2 in consecutive drafts aren’t bitter.
    I’d love to get an OC that broke scoring records with his unit to coach my guys.

  24. drajhansa says: Jan 6, 2010 4:33 PM

    Charlie Armey actually has some experience in ruining things. Look at how his draft choices as GM slowly but systematically ruined the Rams franchise (Tye Hill, Trung Canidate, Jimmy Kennedy, Robert Thomas, Alex Barron, Adam Archuletta)–all of them busts.

  25. veistran says: Jan 6, 2010 4:54 PM

    Isn’t this the guy that ran the Rams front office into the ground, decided that bad wasn’t enough so he dug a big hole, doused it in gasoline, lit it on fire and then kicked the flaming hulk in?

  26. drajhansa says: Jan 6, 2010 5:03 PM

    @ veistran: yeah, that’s the guy

  27. Darron says: Jan 6, 2010 5:09 PM

    Charlie Armey, along with John Shaw and Jay Zigmut, is personally responsible for the ruinous state the Rams franchise is in right now.
    The man is a complete idiot, and he owes the city of St. Louis a gigantic apology.

  28. back4dattack says: Jan 6, 2010 5:37 PM

    I don’t care if Armey is a hack or not. I agree that Martz would NOT be a good fit. If it happens though I’ll get positive about it.

  29. Hooby says: Jan 6, 2010 6:00 PM

    armey might as well say martz has small testicles and insult his mother

  30. Tdk24 says: Jan 6, 2010 6:09 PM

    Shorten Lovie’s career? Lovie hiring Martz is like Chilly getting Favre. If it doesn’t work, he’s out anyways so may as well get as many guns as you can get right now.

  31. redsquare says: Jan 6, 2010 6:17 PM

    So some dimwit businessman with a track record of failure knows more about Martz as a coach than Smith, who actually worked with Martz in a coaching capacity?
    I don’t know enough about Martz to comment on the details of his abilities, but this statement from this Armey guy is pretty ridiculous, pointless, and low-class.

  32. snnyjcbs says: Jan 6, 2010 10:53 PM

    Word on the street is Armey found Martz in bed with his wife. Has to be true, how else would you explain this guy coming out of the woodwork to try and pull the rug out from under Martz as he tries to land a new job.

  33. leatherneck says: Jan 6, 2010 11:57 PM

    I offer my services to the Bears as their new offensive coordinator. I will provide more value than Mike Martz, and will charge only half of what he gets.
    Now, listen up. Get some decent offensive linemen and a couple more good wide receivers. Everybody else just keep doing what you’re doing. Re-hire Ron Turner and let him call the plays.
    That’s it. By providing that advice, I have now given you a lot of value for your money. You can reach me through PFT when you send the check. Thank you.

  34. teejaylion says: Jan 7, 2010 8:38 AM

    As a Lions fan you spend most of time trying to find little glimmers of hope like this. Its too good to be true that Martz and Moronally would again be a dynamic duo within the division. The only better news would be that either Minnesota or Green Bay hired Matt Millen as their GM. Thanks for giving some hope.

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