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More questions about Seahawks G.M. search

Everyone in the football world seems to agree that the Seattle Seahawks have decided to hire Pete Carroll as their next head coach, and that the only thing holding them back is interviewing a minority coach to comply with the NFL’s Rooney Rule.

Obviously, interviewing a minority candidate solely to comply with the Rooney Rule makes a mockery of the Rooney Rule. And a similar dynamic is shaping up with the Seahawks’ general manager position.

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that the Fritz Pollard Alliance has signed off on the Seahawks’ plan to interview Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross as an interview that would represent compliance with the Rooney Rule.
According to Schefter, the Fritz Pollard Alliance has been given assurances that Carroll would not have full control of Seattle’s organization. Carroll would apparently have control over the 53-man roster, but not complete control over all personnel.

That’s an unusual arrangement, and the assurance given to the Fritz Pollard Alliance seems to contradict a report from ESPN’s Chris Mortensen that Carroll would have final authority on personnel.

Whatever happens from here on out, it seems clear that the Seahawks, like the Redskins before them, have violated the spirit of the Rooney Rule by arranging sham interviews with minority candidates only after deciding who they’re really going to hire.

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  1. Favre On HGH says: Jan 9, 2010 12:30 PM

    Because there is sooo many great minorities out there am I right? Just ask Tony Dungy.
    mi⋅nor⋅i⋅ty
    1. the smaller part or number; a number, part, or amount forming less than half of the whole.
    2. a smaller party or group opposed to a majority, as in voting or other action.
    3. a group differing, esp. in race, religion, or ethnic background, from the majority of a population

  2. Bazooka Joe says: Jan 9, 2010 12:31 PM

    Ah, the weekly Rooney Rule article to fan the flames of the hillbilliy nazis that hate the RULE and those intellectually strong persons, such as I, who love the rule.

  3. Why Isn't Jackson Starting? says: Jan 9, 2010 12:31 PM

    Which is the reason I hate the Rooney Rule..it’s a slap in the face to the minority candidate when a team KNOWS what they want.

  4. Boge Quinn says: Jan 9, 2010 12:33 PM

    The Rooney Rule is a mockery in and of itself. The more teams expose that, the sooner we can move on to something that makes more sense.

  5. BigBaldPapaHawk says: Jan 9, 2010 12:36 PM

    The Rooney Rule is a sham. I don’t think any of your readers (minority or not) give a damn who breaks it.

  6. NFLFOLLIES says: Jan 9, 2010 12:37 PM

    The Rooney Rule is a joke and should be repealed if someone isnt qualified they shouldn’t be given an interview based on being a minority.

  7. LJ says: Jan 9, 2010 12:42 PM

    PFT should transition from splitting hairs concerning the Rooney Rule to leading a campaign to get it modified. The spirit of the rule is good but it puts a team in a bad position when a proven candidate suddenly hits the market. Plus it’s degrading to individuals who are pressured to interview. It’s conceivable that a certain degree of blackballing takes place when a candidate refuses to be a token interview.

  8. naskar says: Jan 9, 2010 12:48 PM

    the rooney rule is a joke…i understand that there’s a racial disparity in the composition of coaches & executives in the nfl, but to have this rule in place & require teams to interview a minority before they hire a head coach or front office type adds more insult to the minority because the team is gonna hire whoever they determine is the best fit for their needs, regardless of race…the league needs to abandon this policy…

  9. Anybodyhome says: Jan 9, 2010 12:50 PM

    That doesn’t really happen, does it?
    Is Ed “Too Tall” Jones really too tall?
    Does Elmer Fudd have trouble with the letter “R”?

  10. Rob Noxious says: Jan 9, 2010 12:50 PM

    Maybe it’s time someone took a longer look at the “Rooney Rule” and what it is supposed to accomplish.
    Teams don’t make it a question of race when they are drafting, signing in free agency or making trades. They are looking at talent – and making they choice of who they want.
    Coaching and Front Office hires are not dissimilar, often teams (or owners/GM’s etc.) have an idea of who they want, and they try to get that person.
    The Rooney Rule only works in a setting where you are unsure who you want, so you are going through an extensive interview process. But most teams don’t go looking for unknowns…
    While I favor moving towards a color-blind NFL and ultimately – world, this rule is NOT going to accomplish this.
    Teams fall “in love” with a specific person, if that falls through, they go to plan B. But if they can get that coveted person, then yes – the Rooney Rule is a sham, and they will go through the motions of complying with the rule, though they are in fact making a mockery of it.

  11. East Bay Ray says: Jan 9, 2010 12:52 PM

    The more you see about how the Rooney Rule is carried out, the more ridiculous it looks.
    “…the Fritz Pollard Alliance has signed off on the Seahawks’ plan to interview Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross as an interview that would represent compliance with the Rooney Rule.”
    What the F is the Fritz Pollard Alliance, and why do they get to dictate to Paul Allen how he should run his business? I don’t want these comments to get into politics too much, but I’m an Obama-loving liberal, and it’s crap like this that gives liberalism a bad name.

  12. Your comment submission failed for the following reasons: Registration is required. says: Jan 9, 2010 12:54 PM

    So, is PFT the official monitor of all things Rooney Rule?
    Couldn’t just be self-appointed, self-important, heavy-handed BS to drive page hits… nah….

  13. comeondieyoung says: Jan 9, 2010 12:56 PM

    The Seahawks aren’t making a mockery of the rule, the rule is making a mockery of the hiring process.
    Seattle wants to hire Carroll because he’s a marquee name…Interviewing 500 minority candidates wouldn’t change that.

  14. redsquare says: Jan 9, 2010 12:57 PM

    Not sure I agree about ‘violating the spirit of the Rooney Rule’. The Rooney rule is simple: a minority candidate must be interviewed. It seems unrealistic to expect an organization as financially massive as an NFL team to go into the process of filling one of its two most important positions (the other being QB) without any preconceived notions at all, and holding a wide-open interview. It’s not just some office job.
    This isn’t so different from the corporate world, where job openings are routinely tagged with a ‘preferred candidate’ note, indicating that there’s already someone the organization has in mind for the job.
    But that doesn’t mean it’s a done deal. I’ve seen many cases first-hand where something fell through, something unexpected happened, and that ‘preferred candidate’ suddenly doesn’t work out. Then, that ‘afterthought’ interview suddenly becomes critical, and the candidate who didn’t have a chance yesterday is now your new hire.
    I’ve also seen many cases where someone interviewed for a job, wasn’t the chosen or sought-after candidate, but then when another position opened later, they were at the top of the list and were hired, largely because of the door opened by the first interview–the familiarity created can pay off down the road.
    And let’s not kid ourselves–no one involved in these processes is just some guy off the street. Everyone who gets anywhere near one of these interviews is already a “company man”, already an insider, be they black or white. To think there’s any way at all, even when a black coach is hired, that the selection process is detached and objective, is absurd.
    The spirit of the Rooney rule is to ensure that a regular supply of black candidates are in the pipeline, not to dictate their hiring.
    And I say all this as a supporter of the rule.

  15. fatcatxl says: Jan 9, 2010 1:06 PM

    A big story this site has covered has been the big names out there. If someone decides on someone like Cohwer, is there any kind of interview that doesn’t make a mockery of it? The only way someone can decide who they want as their coach before the season is over is if theyre a minority? If Dungy came back to a different time but there wasn’t an interview isn’t that non compliance?

  16. JerryJones=GhostRider? says: Jan 9, 2010 1:11 PM

    Sham interviews for a Sham rule sounds about right. God forbid you can do what you want with your own business, after all what do you think this is The Land Of The Free or something?

  17. wangchungish312 says: Jan 9, 2010 1:17 PM

    I’m officially sick of hearing about the Rooney Rule. Having a rule that requires the interviewing of minorities only perpetuates the use of that label in the hiring process.

  18. Ken1313 says: Jan 9, 2010 1:55 PM

    The Rooney Rule itself is a sham……….yes…a few years back…there was a definite need for minority hiring in the coaching area…..but this process is a joke. Why bring in guys as “show pieces” when the teams have no intention of hiring them??? Doesn’t that hurt their status as a legitimate candidate somewhere else? There are a good number of minority coaches now……and a good number of qualified minority candidates. Let them stand on their own merit and put an end to this Rooney Rule game

  19. Lambeau West says: Jan 9, 2010 1:56 PM

    The Rooney Rule was implemented with good intentions as an off-shoot of Affirmative Action but it flies in the face of the American ideal of free choice. Americans just freely elected a black president. Just because we believe all men are created equal doesn’t mean an owner has to interview someone to coach his billion dollar investment that does not share his/her vision of what that franchise desires. I would be insulted if I were a black coach to interview for the Seattle job knowing full well Pete Carroll is “their guy. If the Rooney rule is going exist and be enforced, I’d like to see it apply to front office positions as well, notably GMs. Often they are the people that end up making the decisions on hiring anyway. Human nature is to work with people you know and trust. Maybe the way to make inroads is to have the Oprah Winfreys, Michael Jordans, and Tiger Woods of the USA by a team(s) and bring in the people they know and trust. No different than any other owner. Chances are they are more likely to hire a person of color.

  20. Tim says: Jan 9, 2010 1:58 PM

    can anyone remember an instance where someone was interviewed just to comply with the rooney rule and actually got the job?

  21. rockotica says: Jan 9, 2010 2:02 PM

    hiring Pat Kirwan would be a giant mistake. There’s a reason this guy has not worked in the NFL in 10 years. He is great on the radio but the game has prob passed him by a bit. Plus, he’s an egomaniac.

  22. stnmmc says: Jan 9, 2010 2:08 PM

    Favre On HGH says: January 9, 2010 12:30 PM
    Because there is sooo many great minorities out there am I right? Just ask Tony Dungy.
    ————————————————
    Are. Because there are sooo many…

  23. realitypolice says: Jan 9, 2010 2:19 PM

    I am of two minds about this. While I understand and admire the intentions behind the Rooney Rule, I am not sure how to handle situations like this one. There is only one candidate out there that the Seahawks are interested in, and he happens to be white. It’s not like they interviewed 5 white candidates and no minorities and then chose oneof the interviewees- they created this opening with the express intention of filling it with one specific person.
    There needs to be some sort of exception for cases like this, because no matter what the Seahawks do, they lose. If they do a token interview, people like you scream that they are making a mockery of the rule. If they don’t, they face a heavy fine and even more scorn.
    Many companies, when filling positions from within and knowing who they want to put there, will post the job opening with a disclaimer that a preferred candidate has already been identified. Other candidates can then chose whether to interview or not. The NFL needs to come up with some sort of compromise that will allow teams to pursue their “dream” candidate without offending minority candidates with sham interviews or pay an unfair fine.

  24. TemeculaMike says: Jan 9, 2010 2:21 PM

    If the Rooney Rule worked, there would be more women head coaches in the NFL.

  25. realitypolice says: Jan 9, 2010 2:22 PM

    Tim says:
    January 9, 2010 1:58 PM
    can anyone remember an instance where someone was interviewed just to comply with the rooney rule and actually got the job?
    ————————
    Some say this is how Tomlin got the Steelers job- interviewed because he was a minority when the Steelers were looking to hire Whisenhunt and being blown away his interview. I am a little suspicous of this story since it eminated from the team whose owner the “Rooney Rule” is named after, but there you have it.

  26. Iceberg34 says: Jan 9, 2010 2:55 PM

    This does not make the Rooney Rule a joke. It gives Frazier experience interviewing for a head coaching position, as well as exposure. The fact that they are conducting a 4 hour interview when they’ve already decided on Carroll is due to the fact the rule itself is a joke (although I personally think it has been a helpful rule for the two reasons I just mentioned).

  27. bluestree says: Jan 9, 2010 2:56 PM

    NFLFOLLIES says:
    January 9, 2010 12:37 PM
    The Rooney Rule is a joke and should be repealed if someone isnt qualified they shouldn’t be given an interview based on being a minority
    ____________________________
    You’re assuming the minority candidate is unqualified. Consider the rule as assuring that qualified minority candidates are part of the interview process.

  28. bluestree says: Jan 9, 2010 3:08 PM

    Lambeau West says:
    January 9, 2010 1:56 PM
    The Rooney Rule was implemented with good intentions as an off-shoot of Affirmative Action but it flies in the face of the American ideal of free choice.
    ________________________
    This is a common misconception. The Rooney Rule is not like affirmative action. It isn’t affirmative, it’s constructive. Affirmative action carried hiring requirements. The rule is there only to insure the inclusion of minorities in the interview process. Read redsquare’s post. Despite the unfortunate choice of screen name ,it’s dead on.

  29. cgower says: Jan 9, 2010 3:15 PM

    Will Pete Carroll take a job where he doesn’t have total control? He has stated publicly that he likes coaching in college for just that reason- he runs the WHOLE show. He was not able to do that in the pros. So now he’s going to take a job where he will not have control over personnel?

  30. Your comment submission failed for the following reasons: Registration is required. says: Jan 9, 2010 3:19 PM

    # Bazooka Joe says: January 9, 2010 12:31 PM
    Ah, the weekly Rooney Rule article to fan the flames of the hillbilliy nazis that hate the RULE and those intellectually strong persons, such as I, who love the rule.
    —-
    So people that agree with you are smart, people that don’t are hillbilly, nazi, and/or dumb. That says enough about your intellect right there, BazookaJoe. Can’t debate the issues with facts, so resort to inflammatory rhetoric and name calling. Thanks for outing yourself.
    And for the record, nazis were the National Socialist German Workers Party. That’s your side of the aisle. Clearly, though, a man of your intellect wouldn’t let stubborn facts or history get in the way.

  31. redsquare says: Jan 9, 2010 4:54 PM

    @bluestree – thanks for the approval of my post. My screen name doesn’t mean what you probably think it does (it’s a nickname with very non-Soviet origins). I use it anyway, because I don’t care if people misunderstand it or assume the most obvious thing.
    Sometimes it’s a reminder that assuming the obvious isn’t the best policy out in cyberspace, or anywhere else.

  32. wangchungish312 says: Jan 9, 2010 6:21 PM

    redsquare says:
    January 9, 2010 4:54 PM
    @bluestree – thanks for the approval of my post. My screen name doesn’t mean what you probably think it does (it’s a nickname with very non-Soviet origins). I use it anyway, because I don’t care if people misunderstand it or assume the most obvious thing.
    Sometimes it’s a reminder that assuming the obvious isn’t the best policy out in cyberspace, or anywhere else.
    Just thought I’d add that Red Square in Moscow doesn’t have Soviet origins either.

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