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In Packers-Cardinals game, tuck rule doesn't matter

We’re being flooded by e-mails regarding the question of whether the infamous “tuck rule” came into play on the final play of the wild-card game between the Packers and the Cardinals.

But before we start digging up video of the 2001 division-round game between the Raiders and Patriots and comparing it to the positioning of Aaron Rodgers’ right arm when the ball was knocked out of his hand, here’s an important point we all need to keep in mind.

It doesn’t matter.

Since the ball never touched the ground, it was either a fumble or an interception by Cardinals linebacker Karlos Dansby.

Either way, it would have been nice if Joe Buck had mentioned it.  But maybe he was just glad the game was over. 

After all, the U.S. Marshals were waiting.

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163 Responses to “In Packers-Cardinals game, tuck rule doesn't matter”
  1. Mike Quick says: Jan 10, 2010 8:25 PM

    What about the facemask?

  2. TylerDurden says: Jan 10, 2010 8:28 PM

    Tuck rule only counts against the Raiders.

  3. Travis says: Jan 10, 2010 8:29 PM

    Thanks for this post. Although I was hoping Charles Woodson would have benefited from the tuck rule this time…

  4. Alex B says: Jan 10, 2010 8:29 PM

    Thanks, Florio. It seems like any knowledgeable fan would know that the ball didn’t touch the ground so no matter which way his arm was going or how many times he pumped the ball, it doesn’t fall under the tuck rule.

  5. EskinSux says: Jan 10, 2010 8:29 PM

    When you have a date with Troy Aikmen…..You don’t wanna be late…Of course he wanted it to be over………This is why Vox still wears his Troy Pj’s…..

  6. BigBaldPapaHawk says: Jan 10, 2010 8:29 PM

    It is way more cool when The Rock says “IT DOESN’T MATTER!”

  7. Drexel Football says: Jan 10, 2010 8:30 PM

    Why is it that no one is mentioning the FACE MARK by Adams on the last play. The grip of face mask occuring BEFORE the ball was possessed by Dansby.

  8. The Genius says: Jan 10, 2010 8:31 PM

    “It doesn’t matter”.
    You are a quick study.
    Welcome to Arizona. DOPES!!!

  9. rudedog36 says: Jan 10, 2010 8:31 PM

    doesnt matter anyway – congrats to the cardinals . i as a packers fan are rooting you on the rest of the way. Right now the class of the nfl. stiffen up your defense and your good.

  10. bucc19 says: Jan 10, 2010 8:31 PM

    I guess neither do facemasks

  11. Crazimitch says: Jan 10, 2010 8:32 PM

    What about the facemask rule on Rogers. It was a blantant non-call.

  12. Pervy_Harvin says: Jan 10, 2010 8:33 PM

    However, you should talk about
    1) The helmet-to-helmet hit to Rodgers on the 2nd Down play that they called holding,
    2) The dragging down of Rodgers on the 3rd down play on the scoring play in OT,
    3) Fitzgerald’s offensive pass-interference/assault on Woodson on that TD pass.
    You can bring those up.

  13. johnko says: Jan 10, 2010 8:33 PM

    Recap of Cheeshead post throught the season
    Preseaon after beating up other team’s 2nd units
    “Superbowl here we come”
    “Rodgers MVP”
    After the Vikes sign Favre
    “What a train wreck that will be”
    “Can’t wait for all the picks Favre will throw”
    After the first Viking lose
    “Favre will break down as the year goes on, just wait for the rematch”
    After losing at home to the Vikes a 2nd time
    “Favre will still break down, I gaurentee it’s coming”
    After the Tampa Loss
    “Fire TT! Fire MM! This team is a mess.”
    “We suck, this is awful”
    After 7-1 2nd half and Vikes lose 3 road games at the end
    “We can’t be stopped”
    “Favre is breaking down, see”
    “Minnesota is scared for a rematch, we are going to kill the Viking when we play them in the playoffs”
    After beating AZ’s 2nd unit in the last game of the season
    “McCarthy sure got the best of Whisenhunt”
    “Were the hotest team in NFL, Vikings must be scared”
    Start of today’s game behind 17-0
    “Fire TT, too many holes!”
    After the Pac come back
    “We can’t be stopped! What a great team!”
    After today’s loss
    “Facemask! Refs suck”

  14. BonerJams'03 says: Jan 10, 2010 8:33 PM

    Joe Buck is a moron anyway. And the only reason he wanted the game to be over was so he could hurry back to his hotel room and gobble up Aikman’s Cowboy.
    The Tuck Rule is one of the famous plays in NFL history – how do so many people NOT remember that the ball hit the ground first…
    And how did so many people notice that the ball did NOT hit the ground in a play that happened 10 minutes ago and had like 6 replays showing clearly that the ball did NOT hit the ground…

  15. Mitch Cumstein says: Jan 10, 2010 8:33 PM

    It wasn’t a tuck rule call. It was a facemask, though. And Scott Greene elected not to call it. Just like previously, he called Darryn Colledge for holding (it was) but ignored the obvious helmet-to-helmet shot on Rodgers. Interestingly, he made the reversal call earlier – called Cullen Jenkins for roughing when he was clearly – clearly – tackeled, held, and mauled into Warner, on the same play where Larry Fitzgerald committed a blatant pass-interference penalty, no call, and caught a touchdown.
    Horrendous, horrendous officiating by this un-deserving crew.

  16. disco says: Jan 10, 2010 8:33 PM

    Fumble or interception, I think the rule of not being allowed to try and rip a guy’s facemask off still applies?

  17. misterj says: Jan 10, 2010 8:34 PM

    Neither do helmet to helmet or face masking calls, apparently.

  18. Adept says: Jan 10, 2010 8:35 PM

    I just posted this in the other thread. Know the damn rules before whining about them folks. Barring that, just think it through.
    On the other hand, these are Packer fans we’re talking about.

  19. INVAIDUH says: Jan 10, 2010 8:36 PM

    Buck BA-LOWWWS…

  20. kravon says: Jan 10, 2010 8:36 PM

    Sets up what everyone wants – Vikes-Saints for the NFC Title.

  21. Allied Biscuit says: Jan 10, 2010 8:37 PM

    nice try florio. i know how much you’re crying right now. it don’t matter. they lost. whoever won that game is going to get raped by the saints.

  22. PurpleNGold says: Jan 10, 2010 8:38 PM

    Joe Buck in handcuffs
    forced into the Marshall’s car
    we can dream, can’t we?

  23. pudgalvin says: Jan 10, 2010 8:40 PM

    As a navy and orange blooded Bears fan I was sure hoping the Cards would win that game, but that should have been a facemask on the Cardinals on the Rodgers fumble, which would have been before the change of possesion. Pretty good pic of it on SI.com’s cover page. That being said, neither team really deserved to win that game, and the Cards don’t have a shot in hell to beat the Saints if they play like that next week.
    And Florio, you don’t mind taking shots at the awful Joe Buck, but nary a word of the absolute train wreck that was Joey Sunshine and Coach yesterday? WEAK.

  24. lezmaka says: Jan 10, 2010 8:41 PM

    Hey, Florio. Where’s your bitching about NFL overtime rules that don’t allow the coin toss losing team a chance to win the game?

  25. last starfighter says: Jan 10, 2010 8:41 PM

    Even though they lost it’s kind of cool that all the packer fans that thought that keeping favre for one more year and getting rid of rodgers can see now how wrong they were. Team player with a great arm and who doesn’t Sh*t his pants when he falls behind in big game. Oh yeah, and he’s not a whiny diva who cries and blames others when he loses and still has a career in front of him

  26. Pervy_Harvin says: Jan 10, 2010 8:42 PM

    Florio…the fact that you let another person post with my name as above proves you are a hack website. Lose him or I’ll take my blogging elsewhere

  27. SwedishMurderMachine says: Jan 10, 2010 8:42 PM

    @johnko – that was awesome

  28. Johnnyb612 says: Jan 10, 2010 8:43 PM

    These referees should be demoted to 8th grade girls vollyball.

  29. cusoman says: Jan 10, 2010 8:43 PM

    Wait what? Packer fans are complaining about the calls in the game after multiple times of telling the Vikings fans they shouldn’t focus on the calls because a loss is a loss (AP Horsecollar tackle – Lions, AP facemask – Panthers)?
    You get what you deserve.

  30. Allied Biscuit says: Jan 10, 2010 8:43 PM

    just hit mute during joe doe broadcasts. it makes the games much easier to watch.
    why would you bring up the tuck rule if the ball doesn’t hit the ground?

  31. enzeine says: Jan 10, 2010 8:43 PM

    I was wondering about illegal hands to the face.

  32. HarrisonHits says: Jan 10, 2010 8:43 PM

    “Tuck rule only counts against the Raiders.”
    I saw a statistic a couple years ago that each team typically has it called for the other side about once a year.
    The year of the Tuck Game the Pats had in called in a game against the Jets and the ball going back to the Jets instead of a turnover was a factor in the Pats losing the game.

  33. vike4life says: Jan 10, 2010 8:43 PM

    Arizona was the better team today! Congrats! Too bad cuz vikes would of loved a third crack at that porous secondary. Boy did Warner have a field day. Again Hats off for carving up that defense.

  34. Otis Taylor 89 says: Jan 10, 2010 8:44 PM

    Kurt Warner, “Pay the Man!”, er “Put that man in the HOF!”

  35. Tdk24 says: Jan 10, 2010 8:44 PM

    Where was the facemask call on the last play against Aaron Rodgers.
    It’s clear the refs are f&@ked!

  36. aec4 says: Jan 10, 2010 8:44 PM

    The facemask was the missed call…

  37. purpleprideinps says: Jan 10, 2010 8:46 PM

    I love watching the Packers lose, but losing like that is better than sex! I think I came on the last play. Packers suck! Packers suck! Packers suck!!!
    That defense is pathetic. I hope they stick with the 3-4, it was exposed today. Gimmick shit! Loser team! I think I’m cumming again! Go Pack!!!

  38. SuzyKolberIsAwesome says: Jan 10, 2010 8:47 PM

    the TUCK RULE only applies when it’s called against the Raiders, and they haven’t been good in how long???… more interesting, is Adams having his hand on Aaron Rodgers face mask, when he hit him and caused the turnover, …NICE NON CALL, if that was Farve, Manning or Brady, it would have been called, …on one play, Warner got a cheap roughing the passer call, the same time Larry Fitzgerald got away with running over Charles Woodson, to score a touchdown,… just what we need during the playoffs, more stories about how the officating SUCKS

  39. schooney says: Jan 10, 2010 8:48 PM

    McCarthy lost the game at end of first half on ppor clock managemment can tell he is a Baker University graduate

  40. nowathand says: Jan 10, 2010 8:48 PM

    Refs gave the Packers first downs and yardage throughout the game on a bogus horsecollar, the Jennings tackle, illegal contact on Michael Adams. I think the facemask happens after the ball comes out.

  41. frantzchize says: Jan 10, 2010 8:49 PM

    As a Packer Fan, that last series was tough to watch… the helmet to helmet contact, the illegal hands to the face, or face mask, or whatever the call would have been… however, all we had to do was hit a WIDE open Greg Jennings on first down and that game was in the history books.
    We lucked out with the Rackers Miss. We lucked out when Rodgers pulled a Brett Favre and threw it right into two defenders who would have picked it if they didnt run into eachother.
    We had to capitalize and not make mistakes. Jennings had it; Rodgers missed him (for the second time… had him also in the 1st quarter) Can’t expect to Win playing D like that, and missing opportunities.
    Great Game. One for the history books. Cardinals will get blown out next week.

  42. ThanksTed says: Jan 10, 2010 8:49 PM

    Johnko
    great post. I am a packer fan, but you hit it head on.
    Hilarious. Please update post during vikings game next week.
    You willl probably see a “tt was right” after favre’s first incompletion.

  43. Stetson wears panties says: Jan 10, 2010 8:50 PM

    The only Tuck rule Buck knows about is when he tucks it between his legs and puts on his stockings.

  44. AbeFreshly says: Jan 10, 2010 8:50 PM

    lol @ Allied Biscuit:”Cards will get “raped by the Saints”?
    ???
    They got raped by the Packers, but still won. You mean “raped” like the Saints are gonna score 45 points on the Cards? Like THAT kid of “raped”?
    If the Cards can demolish Green Bay’s #2 defense in the NFL, what…oh WHAT are they going to do to the Saints? If they hang 51 on the Pack…the friggin’ PACK defense, what males you think that the Saints’ defense will fare any better?

  45. P-Slice says: Jan 10, 2010 8:51 PM

    Yeah, the Facemask non call, I really don’t get that can someone clear up for me why it was not called? It would of gave back possession to the Packers. I’m really puzzled by that one.

  46. Pervy_Harvin says: Jan 10, 2010 8:51 PM

    Will you face mask babies STFU!!! AD got it in Chicago and it cost us. Man up. Face the facts. Your Defense sucks ass and can’t win a title. Favre,Ben and Warner proved that. fire Capers and go back to the drawing board! Woe,Woodcock is the man….MVP my ass….

  47. KingKunal says: Jan 10, 2010 8:52 PM

    Keep whining. I almost hate Packers fans as much as I hate Jets fans. You lost, bottom line. Don’t leave it up to the refs if you guys are so good. Go back to Green Bay and shut up for the next 8 months while everyone continues to not care about you guys.

  48. Nordmann says: Jan 10, 2010 8:52 PM

    Only Packer fans would need it pointed out that the tuck rule doesn’t matter. They are the least intelligent fans in the NFL by far.

  49. mike says: Jan 10, 2010 8:53 PM

    Calls are missed in every game. Great Game to see.

  50. wittsend says: Jan 10, 2010 8:53 PM

    Stupid me. I thought grabbing a facemask was against the rules.

  51. titanstrides says: Jan 10, 2010 8:55 PM

    what does the ball not hitting the ground have to do with the tuck rule?! it was a fumble, not an incomplete pass or interception. the QB pumped, pulled the ball back, but did not “reset” by bringing the ball back to his waist before fumbling. that’s how the rule was explained to me when Brady did it!! this was the SAME thing!

  52. Mitch Cumstein says: Jan 10, 2010 8:55 PM

    Pervy, what you do isn’t blogging. It’s commenting. Even a errant jizz emission like yourself should know the difference. You are such an ignorant tool.

  53. Allied Biscuit says: Jan 10, 2010 8:55 PM

    how about that vikes-pack rematch florio?
    come on! you’ve been pressing it for 2 months! every single power rankings, pack lookin for rematch. come one florio!
    where’s jimmy smith and bob nelson?
    come on you cowards

  54. leatherneck says: Jan 10, 2010 8:57 PM

    Packer fans, get over yourselves.
    Yes, #27 made contact with Rodgers’ facemask, but only for a tiny fraction of a second.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foVp8i86Z_Y

  55. armchair_probowler says: Jan 10, 2010 8:57 PM

    at least 5 brutal calls.
    helmet to helmet non call
    facemask non call (maybe if arod pointed at his helmet a la Tom Brady he would got the call lol)… anyone else see the pick on NFL.com showing the facemask? lol
    missed fitz doing the randy moss push off woodson on a TD catch
    called roughing the passer on jenkins being thrown into warner
    weak ass horsecollar penalty called on zona (the first horsecallar, the 2nd was legit)
    there could be more that I missed… those are a few i thought of off the top. Still… its hard to blame the refs… if there were more than 2 combined punts neither team would have to worry about any of these calls

  56. stnmmc says: Jan 10, 2010 8:57 PM

    For the conspiracy theorists out there…
    The NFL has decided that since the Steelers are not in the playoffs, and Whisenhunt is a former Steeler coach, the Cardinals will be getting all of the breaks from referees this post season.
    You heard it here first.

  57. Lex Luger says: Jan 10, 2010 8:59 PM

    http://media.jsonline.com/images/375*263/fumble11010.jpg

  58. jeffragnarchicken says: Jan 10, 2010 8:59 PM

    last starfighter says:
    January 10, 2010 8:41 PM
    . Oh yeah, and he’s not a whiny diva who cries and blames others when he loses and still has a career in front of him
    ================================
    No, but the Packer fans sure are whining up a storm.
    It’s like I have said all year, the Pack NEVER loses a game.
    Today it was the “refs screwed us” excuse.
    See ya next year!

  59. MightyMoonWorm says: Jan 10, 2010 9:00 PM

    kravon says:
    “Sets up what everyone wants – Vikes-Saints for the NFC Title.”
    Where have you been for the past three weeks? No one wants that game anymore.

  60. tatum32 says: Jan 10, 2010 9:02 PM

    let me translate;
    It doesnt count..unless its the Raiders vs. Patriots, Broncos or Steelers. Then the call is overturned.

  61. J says: Jan 10, 2010 9:03 PM

    As a life-long Vikings fan I would just like to say….HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Eat SH**!!!
    NA NA NA NA HEY HEY..Good Bye!!!!
    NA NA NA NA HEY HEY..Good Bye!!!!

  62. Ross'sSweetMinus says: Jan 10, 2010 9:06 PM

    Pervy_Harvin
    Your a total loser! Get a life.

  63. leatherneck says: Jan 10, 2010 9:06 PM

    Hey, Packers fans, here is why you lost:
    Aaron Rodgers, 28/42, 422 yds, 4 TD, 1 INT, 5 sacks
    Kurt Warner, 29/33, 379 yds, 5 TD, 0 INT, 1 sack
    Honestly, I don’t know if anybody can stop Kurt Warner this year. If you are upset, just think of what Saints fans will be like after the Cardinals get done in New Orleans. A few weeks ago they were chortling on the way to a perfect season.

  64. chosen2 says: Jan 10, 2010 9:06 PM

    Facemask excuse….lol Thats what we will hear for years now. FACEMASK………LOL The ball was already headed out when poor Rogers got a little hand to his face..lol Packer reasons….. facemask, thats why we lost, facemask..lol Go Farve….lol

  65. J says: Jan 10, 2010 9:08 PM

    @ johnko
    LOL! now thats funny. Packer fans such loosers! (laughing)
    Get your purple pom poms biyoches and watch Brett Favre and the Vikings win the Super Bowl!
    NA NA NA NA, NA NA NA NA, Hey hey, Good Bye!!!!

  66. SATAN says: Jan 10, 2010 9:08 PM

    yep It sure loks like it but the thing about a facemask…
    IT’S NOT A REVIEWABLE CALL!!!

  67. mtn. brew says: Jan 10, 2010 9:10 PM

    i am a vikings fan(and nfc north fan) just want to tell packer fans what agood showing today! will be fun next year

  68. Ca_Viking says: Jan 10, 2010 9:12 PM

    Kurt Warner = HOF, No Question!!!!!!!!!

  69. Maverick says: Jan 10, 2010 9:13 PM

    First of all, I don’t have a dog in this hunt since I am neither a Cardinals nor a Packers fan, but it seemed to me that either Buck or Aikman (I think their voices sound a LOT alike) was VERY pro Green Bay.
    Even though I am NOT a Cowboy fan (my favorite team is whoever the Cowboys are playing that day) I have always felt Aikman does a good job as an announcer, but today I felt the commentary was very biased.
    Anyone else notice that?

  70. boober says: Jan 10, 2010 9:13 PM

    THE FACEMASK WAS AFTER…I repeat.
    AFTER the fumble.
    STFU ALREADY ITS OVER YOU LOSE.

  71. RWFV says: Jan 10, 2010 9:14 PM

    Did the refs fumble throw the int on the first play or make Driver fumble the ball that put the Packers in a 14 pt hole to start the game? I don’t think so. Mistakes cost the Packers the game, not the refs.

  72. efangule says: Jan 10, 2010 9:14 PM

    Pervy_Harvin says:
    January 10, 2010 8:42 PM
    Florio…the fact that you let another person post with my name as above proves you are a hack website. Lose him or I’ll take my blogging elsewhere
    ——————–
    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    This has to be the funniest and dumbest statements i have heard in a loooooong time..
    Thanks for the laugh!
    (“blogging…” hahahahahahhaa… too funny)

  73. Notoroius B.U.G. says: Jan 10, 2010 9:15 PM

    Listen to the CheeseHeads cry!! the same ones who were telling the Viking fans that “bad calls are made every game” or “calls are missed all the time…get over it” when the Vikings were screwed in the Steelers game earlier this year.
    So let me give some of your own advice “Get over it!” Hahahaha

  74. NFLJunkie says: Jan 10, 2010 9:17 PM

    You know what’s a penalty more than anything? Florio’s God awful carpet that resides on his head.

  75. Thechad2000 says: Jan 10, 2010 9:17 PM

    Hey Packers fans. Oh, now it’s ok to complain about a non facemask call. You were the same jerks who told Vikings fans to stop complaining a couple of weeks ago when Peterson fumbled in OT on an obvious facemask as well. How’s it feel losers?

  76. David says: Jan 10, 2010 9:18 PM

    Horrible officiating! Shame on Buck & Aikman for not calling out the refs for the blatant non-calls! If it had been Brady or Favre, the refs would have tossed the big yellow faster than one of Tom Cables punches. Congrats to Warner for being the consumate professional! Rodgers will have his day!

  77. Raidrz says: Jan 10, 2010 9:19 PM

    leatherneck says: January 10, 2010 8:57 PM
    Packer fans, get over yourselves.
    Yes, #27 made contact with Rodgers’ facemask, but only for a tiny fraction of a second.
    He pulled him down by the facemask! You call that a fraction of a second. You’re as blind as the refs were on that one.

  78. tonyman says: Jan 10, 2010 9:19 PM

    I think the real game everyone wanted was a Favre, Rodgers re-match. Do any of you recall the most watched game in monday night history this year? Saints-vikes? you must be joking
    Also I hate to blame refs for the outcome of a game but this game really was sad to watch. Like it was said earlier, not that this play matters but the helmet to helmet was blatantly overlooked along with fitz shoving woodson to the ground right before catching a td pass. They managed to throw a flag on jenkin’s for some sort of a late hit when even if it was a late hit, which it clearly wasn’t he was being tackled by the o-linemen of the cards. I’m not a whining packers fan, just a concerned football fan about how seemingly one sided some ref’s can be in important games that decide the fate of a teams season.

  79. PatricktheDookie says: Jan 10, 2010 9:19 PM

    Let’s be honest. A facemask penalty on the final play is the ticky-tack foul, and you’re rarely going to see it called in game-changing situations.
    In reality, Packers fans are desperately looking for a fortunate bailout on a play where their offense was clearly beaten.
    Why not congratulate the team that played better today and start looking towards drafting a better offensive tackle?

  80. Philtration says: Jan 10, 2010 9:20 PM

    Obviously the only “Tuck Rule” the Packer fans know about is when they do their little bedroom tribute to Buffalo Bill from Silence of the lambs.
    Put the lotion in the basket cheesedicks.

  81. pudgalvin says: Jan 10, 2010 9:20 PM

    “what does the ball not hitting the ground have to do with the tuck rule?! it was a fumble, not an incomplete pass or interception. the QB pumped, pulled the ball back, but did not “reset” by bringing the ball back to his waist before fumbling. that’s how the rule was explained to me when Brady did it!! this was the SAME thing!”
    The tuck rule is basically an incomplete pass. You could invoke the tuck rule on this one, but then the ball was intercepted. The play is either a pass or a fumble. You can say it’s a pass (which would bring the tuck rule into play) but since the ball didn’t hit the ground, it’s an interception. I’m not sure under what circumstances you could possibly think the play is just dead without the ball ever touching the ground.

  82. heavyweight says: Jan 10, 2010 9:23 PM

    HaHa the packers lost now quit crying

  83. Tsmith says: Jan 10, 2010 9:28 PM

    what about the facemask
    or the offensive pass interference that should have been called on Fitz before catching his second TD
    how about the non call on the roughing the passer when the Pack was called for holding a few plays before the last
    how about the roughing the passer that was called against the Pack on Fitz’s second TD when the d-lineman was blocked into Warner and really, Cards should have been called for holding
    I can see the refs missing one big play against a team but thats a lot of big plays the refs screwed up or just missed that didnt go the Packs way

  84. c.carterhof says: Jan 10, 2010 9:28 PM

    johnko @ 8:33-
    Excellent! That was great!

  85. JackMihoff says: Jan 10, 2010 9:32 PM

    The tuck rule is a rule in American football, currently used only by the National Football League (NFL).
    Ordinarily, if the quarterback drops or loses the football while he is bringing the ball forward in a passing motion, and the ball TOUCHES THE GROUND, it is considered an incomplete pass. If the quarterback drops or loses the football at any other time, it is considered a fumble, as if any other player had dropped it.
    The tuck rule is an exception to this rule. It applies if the quarterback brings his arm forward in a passing motion, but then changes his mind and tries to keep hold of the football rather than making a pass. In this situation, if the quarterback loses the ball while stopping his passing motion or bringing the ball back to his body, it is still considered a forward pass (and thus an incomplete pass IF THE BALL HITS THE GROUND).

  86. Red32 says: Jan 10, 2010 9:33 PM

    At least you’ve got plenty of cheese to go with your whines, Packer fans. Just consider this a lesson learned…hope you enjoy the seats from Green Bay, you overconfident bastages. GO CARDS!!!!

  87. pushing50 says: Jan 10, 2010 9:34 PM

    That game was just plain ulgy. It was the kind of game that the NFL wants, no defense and a lot of points. I still can’t believe the ref’s missed both the face masking and the blow the head on a quarterback. I guess only Brady and Manning get those. Being a fan of a team with a defense, I think the NFL has lost its’ mind but the rest of you love this trash.

  88. JDOGG says: Jan 10, 2010 9:35 PM

    Next week’s score Cardinals 102 Saints 97…This reminds me of the Chiefs Vs Colts playoff game years ago. Colts had zero punts. Chiefs had one punt. Chief lost by a score.

  89. 34_Fan_4_Life says: Jan 10, 2010 9:37 PM

    “””# Allied Biscuit says: January 10, 2010 8:37 PM
    nice try florio. i know how much you’re crying right now. it don’t matter. they lost. whoever won that game is going to get raped by the saints. “””
    Right now the Saints couldn’t rape each other. . . .

  90. KingKunal says: Jan 10, 2010 9:37 PM

    “It doesnt count..unless its the Raiders vs. Patriots, Broncos or Steelers. Then the call is overturned.”
    Don’t forget the Colts, if it was Manning TUCK RULE.

  91. Richm2256 says: Jan 10, 2010 9:37 PM

    Pervy_Harvin says:
    Florio…the fact that you let another person post with my name as above proves you are a hack website. Lose him or I’ll take my blogging elsewhere
    ————————————————–
    Let me be the first of many to change my ID to “Pervy_Harvin II” then.
    Go to another blog, we sure as hell didn’t want you here in the first place, douchebag.

  92. Deb says: Jan 10, 2010 9:39 PM

    @Mike …
    The voice of reason. What on earth are you doing here?
    @stnmmc …
    ROFL Where is that idiot Beer Cheese Soup? He has a new conspiracy to investigate. How much did Bidwell pay the refs?

  93. NFLMMAfan says: Jan 10, 2010 9:39 PM

    Florio,
    Brady needs your help to get the football back that the Ravens “tucked” up his backside today

  94. Pervy_Harvin says: Jan 10, 2010 9:47 PM

    Richm2256 says:
    January 10, 2010 9:37 PM Let me be the first of many to change my ID to “Pervy_Harvin II” then.
    Go to another blog, we sure as hell didn’t want you here in the first place, douchebag.
    ————————————————–
    Sure you didn’t .I, being the biggest star of PFT, is hated by many. how else would this site allow my name to be duplicated? sorry,I’ll stick around….so you remain irrelevant!

  95. redsquare says: Jan 10, 2010 9:51 PM

    Yeah, it looked like a bit of a facemask, though to be honest, raising a fuss about that would seem like kind of a wimpy thing to do. Sure, it ended the Packers’ season, but the Cardinal made a good play and got the ball out.
    Don’t see how this ending is any less just than the Packers squeaking out a game-winning field goal after a few more first downs. The endings of games like this are always capricious.
    This game seemed to demonstrate that these two teams are almost identical and equally good, so no matter who lost and how, it was going to be too bad in a way.
    The Pack should have years more chances at this with Rodgers and co. I’m sad for them but kind of happy to see the Warner last-hurrah tour continue a bit longer. The Saints better be damned ready.

  96. Pervy_Harvin says: Jan 10, 2010 9:51 PM

    “Don’t cry because it’s over. Smile because it happened.” – Aaron rodgers on the 2009 NFL season….

  97. igglesfan74 says: Jan 10, 2010 9:54 PM

    Facemasks happen, holdinghappens on almost every play, there were 60+ minutes of football that you’re team could have won it in- but didn’t.

  98. Pervy_Harvin says: Jan 10, 2010 10:00 PM

    Hey, I’m the original Pervy_Harvin. Maybe you can find another site to be another Pervy_Harvin.
    And this Pervy_Harvin is sure that Favre is going to add to his career 22 playoff INT’s. And this Pervy_Harvin is also miffed at a team getting rolled by the refs. (The Packers “D” didn’t help themselves either.)

  99. marshall70 says: Jan 10, 2010 10:01 PM

    You Packer fans should not have not been so cocksure this past week. That week 17 win meant nothing, but you acted like you had already won the superbowl.
    Next season please tone down being so cocksure and know the a bit of humility goes a long way.

  100. sand0 says: Jan 10, 2010 10:01 PM

    You could also argue that Rodgers punted the ball and it was returned for a TD because he kicked at it. But who really cares.
    Well Packer fans, you can officially move on to cheering against the Vikes mode. Your team has an absolutely pathetic defense and I thoroughly enjoyed watching it crumble. Rodgers made some huge mistakes out there today. Zona played terrible defense as well but that Packer effort took the cake.
    I have never heard of a team scoring 51 on 530 yards of offense and only having FIVE THIRD DOWNS ALL GAME! Sweetness.
    Actually a really fun game to watch if you like teams that have no concept of how to play defense.

  101. Pervy_Harvin says: Jan 10, 2010 10:03 PM

    Goodbye Pack fans…this site is for contending teams……see u in fall 10

  102. redsquare says: Jan 10, 2010 10:04 PM

    Looking at that replay linked above a few times, it’s a tough call.
    The NFL rule prohibits “twisting, turning, or pulling an opponent by the facemask”.
    Seemed like a little bit of twisting or turning going on, though it’s hard to distinguish how much of the movement was Adams and how much was Rodgers looking down in panic toward the ball.
    Pulling’s also hard to tell. I don’t think Rodgers was at all pulled down by the facemask. He was carried down by the weight and momentum of Adams, and the hand on the facemask simply remained there through the fall. But Adams’ hand did move down, and Rodgers’ helmet obviously moved down on his head with it.
    Overall, the facemask looked fairly unintentional, with the movement of Rodgers’ helmet having more to do with Adams’ weight and entire arm settling into Rodgers as opposed to a separate, distinct act of redirection on the part of Adams. Still, by the letter of the law…
    But it’s really close and arguable both ways.

  103. JackMihoff says: Jan 10, 2010 10:04 PM

    Ball was already out before facemask occurred. Both teams had 60 minutes to win the game and the Cardinals happened to win. Quit crying…penalties such as facemasks and holding happen every play. Sometimes they’re caught sometimes they’re not.

  104. Pervy_Harvin says: Jan 10, 2010 10:07 PM

    Lets not forget Packer Nation,you were only in it at the end due to a missed chipped shot FG. Quit crying about phantom penalties…take it like a man…in San Quentin…you know,up the keister!! LMAO

  105. OmegaXxXNFL says: Jan 10, 2010 10:09 PM

    Yeah viking fans are sooooo smart! LOL bunch of losers will get theirs in less then a week..

  106. VegasChris says: Jan 10, 2010 10:13 PM

    Hey packer losers!
    Want some CHEESE to go with that WHINE?
    Oh, wait…

  107. BigEasy33 says: Jan 10, 2010 10:19 PM

    face mask and blow to the head…yep…. but the Ref as soon as the ball came out his eyes went to the ball loose on the ground so he missed the call but …$shit happens!!!
    Saints will destroy the Cards on Saturday!!!!

  108. Stinemonster says: Jan 10, 2010 10:19 PM

    @igglesfan74
    Unless you’re the eagles. They got 120 min in 6 days – but didn’t.
    Florio is 0-4 on this weeks predictions.

  109. Supersuckers says: Jan 10, 2010 10:29 PM

    Pervy_Harvin says:
    January 10, 2010 8:42 PM
    Florio…the fact that you let another person post with my name as above proves you are a hack website. Lose him or I’ll take my blogging elsewhere

  110. savagenation says: Jan 10, 2010 10:29 PM

    # Pervy_Harvin says: January 10, 2010 8:33 PM
    However, you should talk about
    1) The helmet-to-helmet hit to Rodgers on the 2nd Down play that they called holding,
    2) The dragging down of Rodgers on the 3rd down play on the scoring play in OT,
    3) Fitzgerald’s offensive pass-interference/assault on Woodson on that TD pass.
    You can bring those up.
    Yes, when will people realize some games are fixed.
    If you don’t believe that after watching the
    refs in this game, your clueless

  111. Hwood82 says: Jan 10, 2010 10:29 PM

    The whole tuck rule thing is irrelevant obviously but what about the BLATANT facemask that should have nullified the TD run and awarded the Packers with 15 yards on the penalty??? Hmmmmm….

  112. romo9mvp says: Jan 10, 2010 10:31 PM

    Wow iv enever heard a bunch of babies crying together in the same room. officating did not play a part in what was a terrible job done from the green bay defense! Way to try and make the final outcome other than the obvious that the packers defense lost this game not the refs!! Grow up packer babies!

  113. NoKoolaidCowboy says: Jan 10, 2010 10:31 PM

    …and with a whole 15 mins at your disposal you decide to come out with pass, pass, pass? Not even one run play to soften things up?
    Not very smart.

  114. savagenation says: Jan 10, 2010 10:39 PM

    #
    # RWFV says: January 10, 2010 9:14 PM
    Did the refs fumble throw the int on the first play or make Driver fumble the ball that put the Packers in a 14 pt hole to start the game? I don’t think so. Mistakes cost the Packers the game, not the refs.
    ….Ok Idiot

  115. bustabloodvessel says: Jan 10, 2010 10:40 PM

    Pack fans, keep complaining about the “offensive p.i.”, it should have been illegal contact on the defense, as Woodson was building a house in the middle of his route. Kinda like a charge in basketball. The roughing the passer was called because Warner was brought down by his facemask, and yeah, Rodgers got his facemask grabbed, but hey, good teams should overcome bad calls, right? Should have won the game in the first 60 minutes.

  116. RWFV says: Jan 10, 2010 10:47 PM

    savagenation – true hurts douche bag. what do you expect, 3 turnovers that led to a 17 – 0 lead for the Cards? How does explaining the facts make me an idiot? Your post shows your IQ which is probably close to the temperature in WI right about now – zero.

  117. SF Saints Fan says: Jan 10, 2010 10:48 PM

    Very interesting game. I would think that the Cardinals will be tired after that track meet.
    The Saints offense is better than the Packers and if the Packers defense was supposed to be “good” it looks like the quality of your defense does not matter against the Cardinals.
    I would put the over/under for the Cardinals vs. Saints at 90. So long as the Saints have one point more than Arizona at the end of the game.

  118. VegasChris says: Jan 10, 2010 10:50 PM

    Hey, Pack losers, want some WINE to go with your CHEESE?
    No, wait, that’s not right either…

  119. Mavcop says: Jan 10, 2010 10:50 PM

    Packers don’t do well in OT playoff games. Does this mean that Rodgers will retire, go to the Jets for a year, and then come and take the Vikings to win the Superbowl? if so sign me up

  120. scomibord says: Jan 10, 2010 10:51 PM

    Crybabies! Your team lost, quit bitching. Sharper DPOY! Black & Gold Superbowl.

  121. Deb says: Jan 10, 2010 10:51 PM

    @Savagenation …
    You’re just plain nuts. Not even interesting enough to be salty.
    But I guess there’s plenty of salt in the tears that fall when you whine.

  122. mnmark says: Jan 10, 2010 10:53 PM

    Bottom line is the Ref’s didn’t make the call…understood, BUT if the Packers Defense would have showed up (as well as the Cards) it was a blow out. Also the bottom line is no protection, pass coverage or stopping the run. Blame your ref’s all day long but the game came down to defense and turnovers and if Minnesota wins Sunday the defense is KEY against the Cards or Saints!! Congrats to the Pack for a great comeback year BUT look west and know that the path goes through Minnesota!! GO Vikes!!

  123. mnmark says: Jan 10, 2010 10:55 PM

    Bottom line is the Ref’s didn’t make the call…understood, BUT if the Packers Defense would have showed up (as well as the Cards) it was a blow out. Also the bottom line is no protection, pass coverage or stopping the run. Blame your ref’s all day long but the game came down to defense and turnovers and if Minnesota wins Sunday the defense is KEY against the Cards or Saints!! Congrats to the Pack for a great comeback year BUT look west and know that the path goes through Minnesota!! GO Vikes!!

  124. mwave1239 says: Jan 10, 2010 10:59 PM

    In 2008, the NFL changed the facemask rules. Goodbye to the 5-yard Incidental Facemask- A quick grab of the facemask is no longer a punishable offense. Looking at the replay, the ball is punched out and the hand continued to the facemask. He moves the hand down immediately to the neck hole of the jersey. I don’t see a facemask there. Stop whining.
    Does anyone actually think that in the NFL’s highest scoring playoff game that a PI call on Fitz would have changed the outcome? I don’t. I imagine on third down they would’ve scored just as easily as they did before. I was at this game live and it was unbelievable. The Pack fans around me were just as astounded as I was. None of them cried like babies when they lost. Get over it Cheeseheads, your team lost.

  125. GBPackers says: Jan 10, 2010 11:00 PM

    Pervy_Harvin says:
    January 10, 2010 8:42 PM
    Florio…the fact that you let another person post with my name as above proves you are a hack website. Lose him or I’ll take my blogging elsewhere
    ————————————————–
    LOL, cmon pervy. Stick around, its good to get a laugh on a daily basis.

  126. MrHumble says: Jan 10, 2010 11:01 PM

    Packer defense gives up 51 pts and all they can do is blame it on the refs………Packer fans may be some of the best team fans in the NFL but they are about the worst “football fans” as they can’t understand that it was their defense that lost the game.

  127. realitypolice says: Jan 10, 2010 11:02 PM

    If it was so obvious that the ball never touched the ground, why did you ask the following question in the last post before this one:
    “Initially, we thought that the replay booth might call for a review, but it was clear that Rodgers wasn’t trying to throw the ball.”
    What could they have been reviewing, Florio?

  128. sand0 says: Jan 10, 2010 11:03 PM

    Rodgers missed a wide open Jennings to win it. Rodgers stood there like a deer in the headlights allowing the ball to be stripped, then kicked it to a defender for some odd reason.
    But yeah, obviously them not calling the facemask after the strip is why the lost. Either way your defense failed on epic proportions and Vikings fans had an awesome time watching your hopes crushed.
    Also grabbing a facemask is rarely called if the head is not turned and it is even rarer yet when the ball is live and being kicked into the air 5 feet away. Packer fans honestly think the refs should have been looking at Rodgers’s face and not the ball at that point?
    The refs overall favored the Packers in this game. Fitz did not commit PA at all because Woodson initiated the contact every time like he does all season. Fitz is just a horse.
    Face it. Your team has no defense and basically is one of those one and done types.
    Who really cares anyways. Either team wins just to go and get obliterated by New Orleans anyways.

  129. LouDawg says: Jan 10, 2010 11:12 PM

    What a bunch of fat, crybaby Packers fans. Is it hard to shout “Go Pack Go” with your mouth full of bratwurst?

  130. AcidSoda says: Jan 10, 2010 11:13 PM

    Face mask…. pfft!
    So many of those little grabs happen don’t get called in games because they’re incidental and the ball was already coming lose BTW. The defender was obviously going for Rodger’s arm to try to block the pass or knock it lose while going for the tackle which he did with an arm wrapped around him and one finger hooked on a face mask which he obviously didn’t use to bring him down w/. Give me a break.

  131. Richm2256 says: Jan 10, 2010 11:13 PM

    Pervy_Harvin says:
    Sure you didn’t .I, being the biggest star of PFT, is hated by many.
    ————————————————-
    One word springs to mind: Loser
    Pervey_Harvin: Hey baby, wanna hang out with the “biggest star of PFT”??? *wink wink*

  132. newcaymanS says: Jan 10, 2010 11:14 PM

    I’m reading a lot of crying posts on here about certain calls in the game… REALLY, the Pack allowed 51 freakin’ points! They didn’t deserve to win, period. They were “supposed” to have a great D, yet they up and vanished like a fart in the wind.

  133. danielcp0303 says: Jan 10, 2010 11:23 PM

    All of the Packers fans need to stop blaming the refs. Shouldn’t they have…I don’t know…played some defense? How about not turning the ball over? The Packers dug themselves a huge hole.

  134. Beer Cheese Soup says: Jan 10, 2010 11:28 PM

    MrHumble says:
    Packer defense gives up 51 pts and all they can do is blame it on the refs………Packer fans may be some of the best team fans in the NFL but they are about the worst “football fans” as they can’t understand that it was their defense that lost the game.
    ____________________________________
    Please don’t judge ALL Packer fans by the ones you find on this site. Most of us saw the same defensive meltdown you did, and I’m not making any excuses.
    Congratulations to the Cardinals and their fans. They most certainly earned this win.

  135. packerfanfornot4life says: Jan 10, 2010 11:48 PM

    anyone ever think maybe Vegas had someting to do with this?? after all, had the packers won the casinos would have lost millions

  136. manohman says: Jan 10, 2010 11:57 PM

    I’m neither a pack or card fan and the officiating was horrendous. What’s worse is how they took the game away from the packers on that non facemask call among a few other non calls mentioned here already. That strip should have been called back with the facemask penalty. All the player played their butts off and it could have been a GREAT game had it been officiated properly

  137. Manbearpig says: Jan 11, 2010 12:18 AM

    Darn that Manbearpig and his accurate predictions! LOL. You should have listened to me Supersuckers. It would have meant a lot less heartbreak for you. Any plans for next weekend? I know what I will be doing – watching my team in the playoffs.
    # Manbearpig says: December 27, 2009 4:57 PM
    @ super
    Congratulations. You snuck into the playoffs, only to be one and done. Make sure to get your tickets to the first playoff game, as it will be your last.
    @canned
    “faggy ass pony tails” ????
    Pretty sure the Vikings have zero “faggy ass pony tails,” as opposed to the Packers, whose own Clay Mattews looks like a beefed up version of the 1987 Axl Rose. Not to mention that their coach looks like a real life, grown up version of Eric Cartman on Weightgain 4000.
    I guarantee the Packers lose in the first round. Guarantee. You read it hear first.

  138. DasRipper says: Jan 11, 2010 12:28 AM

    Does this mean all of the Packer fans are showing empathy for AD getting facemasked against the Bears when he fumbled at the end of the game in week 16?

  139. stnmmc says: Jan 11, 2010 12:37 AM

    It is sad that the NFL can’t provide officials that are qualified.
    Maybe they should visit the PFT comments section to find people who really know the game.

  140. badfish69 says: Jan 11, 2010 12:46 AM

    Can’t blame the refs when the defense give up 45 and the offense turns the ball over three times.
    Rodgers can’t fumble the ball in that situation and should have hit Jennings on first down. That being said I like how he didn’t give up when it looked like it was going to be a run away. He fought back and I like that. Hopefully he learns from this game and he comes back next year better for it.

  141. packers4life says: Jan 11, 2010 12:50 AM

    “Too bad cuz vikes would of loved a third crack at that porous secondary. ”
    and this is coming from a Viking ‘fan’?? Seriously? Last time I checked the Vikings were the ones with the porous secondary which was ranked 19th overall.
    Loser.

  142. Perνy_Harνin says: Jan 11, 2010 12:59 AM

    I’ll admit I was worried for a while there cuz as much as I hate to say it, the pack probably would’ve beaten the vikings in a rematch, i mean 3 times a year would be tough. But thank you rodgers for blowing that game and not even giving yourself a chance.
    and as to all of you that copy my name, mimicry is the highest form of flattery. Every reader here knows my name and looks for my posts, admit it, i am blogging.

  143. packers4life says: Jan 11, 2010 1:00 AM

    Viking fans need to stop being so damn hyprocritical. You idiots whine about the refs in every game that you lose. Hell I can remember you losers whining about that tripping call a month after it happened.
    It’s no wonder no one takes Viking fans seriously. They have an IQ of a toaster.

  144. .VoxVeritas says: Jan 11, 2010 1:08 AM

    Dude bitch-slapped him and knocked the ball away. Rodgers fumbled 10 times this season. Somebody needs to learn to protect the ball a lil better.

  145. scomibord says: Jan 11, 2010 1:17 AM

    I know I’m going to piss some people off, but I can’t help it. The road to Miami runs through New Orleans. Who Dat, bitches!!!

  146. bob _ nelson says: Jan 11, 2010 1:44 AM

    I am done with the Packers,they are the biggest joke I have ever seen in all of sports.I am so sad I wasted so many years wearing cheese on my head and looking like a damn fool ,and for what?For then to play like they did today?I am now a Vikings fan like I should of been all along.Better late then never.

  147. stetai says: Jan 11, 2010 1:54 AM

    The “face mask” was incidental, and Woodson had a “face mask” on Fitzgerald earlier that wasn’t called under the same circumstance.
    Packer fans, you were lucky, that the Cardinals popped the champagne after the 1st quarter and they gave you all sorts of opportunities with stupid penalites, and missed FG’s, etc. But in the end, the defense finally woke up, swallowed Aaron Rodgers, and he kicked the ball right into Carlos’ hands!!!!!

  148. AbeFreshly says: Jan 11, 2010 2:02 AM

    24 of 28 passes for 312 yards and five touchdowns against the #2 Defense in the NFL.
    Kurt Warner made CWood look like a punk. CHARLES FRICKIN’ WOODSON. The Packers scored at will, & STILL lost.
    How, on earth, can Saints fans post things like
    “the Cards don’t have a shot in hell to beat the Saints if they play like that next week.” ?
    Play like what?
    They played like that THIS week, & WON. If you can’t stop the Cards, they will exploit the fact that they can do whatever they want against your D, then merely time their drives so that they have the ball LAST. Even with less than 1 minute left.
    Michael Irvin said the same thing. lol. “The Cards’ Defense will get shredded against the Saints” lolol. As if the Cards D could have played any worse today?! They got “shredded” today. It didn’t seem to bother Warner, & the the Packer D is BETTER than the Saints’ D.
    Hey Irvin, the Cards will likely dominate the Saints D as badly as they did the Pack. What does it matter how the Cards’ D plays?

  149. Tompadre says: Jan 11, 2010 5:37 AM

    The facemask rule is to prevent injury, so it states no twisting, turning or pulling. Since the league got rid of the incidental facmask call, and at no point did Adams twist, turn or pull the facemask there isn’t an infraction. At worst Rodgers’ helmet tips forward as captured on the SI picture mentioned by someone on this thread. Rodgers is brought down by the impact of the defender, not by a facemask as Raidrz claims. Hands to the face is generally called, again, when someone’s head is turned or pushed back – not the case here. A blow to the head (to prevent injuries) generally needs to have more impact than what took place in this case – would have been ticky-tack had it been called, especially in this situation.
    Complaining about Fitgerald’s contact with Woodson is almost laughable considering the amount of arm-bars the Pack DBs perform over the course of a season.

  150. JimmySmith says: Jan 11, 2010 7:07 AM

    I, for one, would never complain about the officials because I believe those things tend to even out over the course of the year. That’s not to say the Rodger’s facemask wasn’t hit on the last play or on the holding call in OT, the defensive player did lead with his helmet but neither of those really tell the true story, that Jennings was open on the first play of OT and Rodgers didn’t throw a good ball. That was within their grasp and they blew it. It was at that moment that they took the game out of their own hands and allow the ref’s to do, or in this case, not do what they did.

  151. Tompadre says: Jan 11, 2010 7:09 AM

    packers4life -
    You are funny! It’s the Packers fans who are hypocritical and have been ALL SEASON!!
    Minnesota fans are simply pointing out that Packer fans complained about the Viking fans griping about calls, and now they are doing the exact same thing! Even going so far as to claim the game was fixed!!
    They also ragged on Vikings fans for talking about going to the Super Bowl, yet made similiar claims themselves (especially recently as the playoffs approached using phrases like “running thru the playoffs” & “going all the way”).
    Packer fans railed on Viking fans for having a crystal ball and making predictions/presumptions, and then turn around and talk of how they’ll have Rodgers for 10-15 years, Adrian Peterson will be done in a few, and how they’ll dominate the division for years to come.
    They rip Viking fans for lack of support and then complain when they vote for for their players for the Pro Bowl.
    GB fans constantly bring up past transgressions by Viking players (no matter how long ago) but then defend their own players for their offenses.
    They bombard Vikings threads, spewing their bile throughout and the gripe when Viking fans return the favor.
    The Packer fans blame Favre for the loses during his time at QB but place it on the team when they lose with Rodgers.
    Which makes me wonder, had Favre played yesterday for GB and thrown a pick on his first pass and fumbled on his last play, would he have been treated the same as Rodgers??
    I understand giving Viking fans a hard time, I even think a little bravado from fans is simply showing support, and although it’s not my style, I can take the trash talking. It’s the hypocritical nature of so many of the Packer fans posts on Viking’s threads that I find is a sad statement of GB fans.

  152. Steeler-lady says: Jan 11, 2010 7:20 AM

    lmao@Packers didnt deserve to win cus they gave up 51points.. haha as opposed to the 45 the Cards gave up? LOL thats a great analysis.
    This was a great game..both qbs deserved the win.
    I dont know about the facemask not bein called altho we all know weve seen less called on Brady..anyway the 2 plays prior to that tho there was a hit to Rodgers helmet that should of been called..which would of resulted in 1st down.
    alot of idiots are blaming Rodgers for this ..taking away what was a great play by the D.Rodgers is a very good qb,he will have plenty more chances.
    Thank you Cards n Pack for finally giving us a ballgame this weekend. All the other games sucked..(blowouts)

  153. Ruvell100 says: Jan 11, 2010 2:01 PM

    Just look at this thread. I don’t see many Packer fans blaming the refs. It was a terrible call, which has been acknowledged, but most on here have tipped their hats to the Cards.
    20:1 Vikings fans on here talking about excuse-making Packer fans. And you call Packer fans classless inbreds. You people have been as quiet as a mouse pissing on cotton for the last 10 years. One 12-4 year (you haven’t won a playoff game yet) and you’re all superfans.
    Minnesota-Land of Insecurity. Elect Jesse the Body. Elect Al Franken. Your only major metro is a haven for Somalians and homosexuals. You couldn’t even pass your FISHING

  154. Ruvell100 says: Jan 11, 2010 2:09 PM

    oops..continued.
    You couldn’t even pass your FISHING budget without adding money in to art galleries from your fag lib government. A HOCKEY team couldn’t be supported enough to stay in the “state of hockey.” It took you losing it to support the Wild. 2/3 of your state is flat prairie reminiscent of North Dakota. 43% of your high school graduates attend UW schools.
    You make fun of WI for being drunks, when your outstate population is widely known for alcoholism, depression and meth addiction. How’s that for class? I’ll tell you one thing, you’re right. No heart and no balls…in an entire state.

  155. Ruvell100 says: Jan 11, 2010 2:11 PM

    And the original point. 20:1 Vikings fans on a Packer thread and here’s TomPadre on a Packer thread calling our fans hypocrites, again.

  156. 1nationraidernation says: Jan 11, 2010 6:18 PM

    Ref’s control the game. When it comes to raiders game always bet on the refs.

  157. tonyman says: Jan 11, 2010 6:48 PM

    suck a big fat weiner

  158. tonyman says: Jan 11, 2010 6:54 PM

    What are the vikings going to do when they don’t get their stadium they want? They are going to whine. But the funniest part about it is that minnesota’s own taxpayers don’t even want to pay for a new stadium. See you in LA
    They will join the Lakers, and the Northstars and be the THIRD minnesota team to leave the state.
    Green Bay on the other hand has a 30 year waiting list for season tickets to the most legendary stadium in the NFL.

  159. Tompadre says: Jan 11, 2010 11:29 PM

    Ruvell -
    That was exactly my point you knucklehead!
    I’ve followed PFT back when Florio was an unknown making appearances on all night radio. I read the stories but not the posts until I noticed all of the comments on the Favre articles. I thought I would see a division of opinion from Viking fans. Instead I saw an onslaught of nasty comments from Packer fans. So I looked back at the Packer stories and noticed they might have a dozen or so posts and that was it, with maybe a handful from Viking fans. The Packer fans had far more posts on Vikings threads all season then they did their own. When Viking fans started posting on Packer threads in return, the Packer fans biatched about it.
    That is why they are hypocrites! As I stated in my post – Packer fans did it and then complained when it was done to them. I on the otherhand have never complained about Packer fans hitting Viking threads, just the ones who are hypocritical. Some Packer fans make some good points about the Vikes, some are quite funny, while others like to give a rival some heated greif – it’s all good in my book as I stated before.
    You talk of Minnesota fans being classless – go back and read some of the Packe fans who have all of their clever names for the Vikings or Favre. Read how they take shots at the people of Minnesota, the tragedies that have taken place there and hurl insult after insult and then tell me if either side is any better?
    While there are Packer fans who are right there with their team and not blaming the refs for the loss, just look at the posts for all of the stories related to the GB-Zona game and you’ll see the huge number of posts not only complaining about the refs but have gone so far as to say the game was fixed!! Can’t miss them unless you want to.

  160. Tompadre says: Jan 12, 2010 3:31 PM

    Ruvell -
    Your Green & Gold colored glasses are clouding your vision if you can’t see that a huge number of Packer fans, regardless of admitting the other influences on the game, whined about the calls. The Viking fans are now giving back what they got from Packer fans when Adrain Peterson was facemasked on the play he fumbled in OT. I certainly don’t care that they are whining, just don’t complain when someone give you a hard time for it when you did it to them.
    As far as Favre is concerned be sure you don’t exclude all the false information the Packers were leaking to their lackeys in the press. Thompson shortly after arriving in GB clearly didn’t want to continue in the Favre direction, and Favre didn’t really want to stay either. Both side were wrong and should have had better line of communication and the seperation could have been handled better.
    The onslaught of nasty comments though wasn’t just contained in Favre threads. They permeated every Viking article, but it was the hypocritical ones that bothered me, the trash talking I can deal with despite it’s imature nature. Okay,the ones were someone is wishing serious injury to a player also get me ticked.
    The Viking fan base really isn’t as bad as most paint it. The Vikings are competing for the fans entertainment dollars and they have a lot of competition. The Twin Cities has a team in every major sports league as well as a major university that also is represented in every major sport. There’s plenty of dollars taken away by the cultural community as well. Also, the fans got turned off by Mike Lynn’s leadership, McComb’s poor ownership and the loosely run ship (pun intended) of Green & Tice. But let’s face it the Packers have had their share too – Hornung to Jolly.
    By the way, why is Rodgers getting a pass in an overtime playoff game in which he threw an opening play interception that lead to a Cardinal TD, over threw (without being rushed) a wide open WR that would have ended the game, and fumbled the last play that gave the victory to the opponent? Everyone says it’s not his fault, it was the defence. But Favre throws a pick in a game inwhich the defense allows a first down on 4th & 26 during regulation and it’s his fault not the D’s. He throws another pick in OT against a team that completed passes at will to it’s wideout (Buress) but he is to blame but not the DB. I’m just saying…

  161. Ruvell100 says: Jan 12, 2010 5:21 PM

    Tom-
    I was speaking to this thread specifically. There has not been nearly the complaining there should be. Let’s be honest, Rodgers was taken to the ground by his facemask. A quarterback in today’s day in age? Unheard of. I am surprised at how little uproar there has been from Packer fans.
    I understand that Viking fans have had to deal with a lot of garbage over the years, but please don’t bring up the “entertainment dollar is stretched thin” thing. There is no more to do in Minnesota than Wisconsin. Milwaukee and Madison have lots of museums and art and shows and music, too.
    Rodgers threw for 442 and 4TD’s and brought them back from a 21 point deficit. Favre had never come back from 17 or more until this year. In the 4th and 26 game, the Packers rushed for 212 yards, and they sacked McNabb 8 times. Favre threw for 180 and 2 picks. And that pick was one of the worst ever thrown. I lot of hate that comes out now didn’t come out then. We gave Favre a pass and blamed it on 4 and 26. Gave the guy a pass for everything.
    Giants. The idea to lock up Harris on Burress was a failed one. We didn’t run the ball at all and were ineffective when we did. Regardless, Favre went 4-10 for 30 yards with 2 picks in the 4th and OT. The last 4 drives where a SINGLE point would have decided the game went for 0,2,7 and 0 yards.
    Sorry, man. Just my thoughts. I appreciate your acknowledgement in the Woodson thread. Thanks, Tom.

  162. Tompadre says: Jan 13, 2010 5:16 AM

    Ruvell -
    I try to give props where props are due. Gave it to Rodgers this year, GB for the win over Dallas as well as Woodson when he got D player of the month. Unlike most Viking fans I don’t hate the Packers, I’m more interested in rooting for my team than rooting against a rival. Don’t get me wrong, I still want to beat them and win the division and see then what happens.
    I do have to disagree on the Rodgers play – the guy had his mask but brought him down by running into him. He can grab the mask but not twist, pull or turm it, which he didn’t.
    I was talking about all those things competting for the entertainment dollar being in one metro area, where most of the attending fan base comes from for Minnesota. And excuse me, Wisconsin does not have a terrible pro hockey team like Minnesota!
    Catch up with ya on another thread!

  163. Ruvell100 says: Jan 13, 2010 10:03 AM

    I was trying to define the Wild last night, stammering for the right words. “Well, you know, they’re young, they have some talent in some spots, but really not, new system, new…”
    My neighbor just cut me off. “Dude, they’re AWFUL!”

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