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After further review, Packers got screwed

We’ve received more than a few e-mails in the aftermath of Sunday night’s for-the-ages battle between the Packers and the Cardinals regarding the non-call on the play that delivered victory for the home team via a sack, fumble/interception, and 17-yard sprint for a score.

At first, the words “tuck rule” dominated the discussion. 

Then, the focal point became the blow to the head and the yanking of the facemask that Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers endured as Arizona defensive back Michael Adams collided into Rodgers.

Here’s the video.

As one league source said via e-mail, “It should have been a personal foul grabbing the face mask and 15-yard penalty and a first down for Green Bay.”

And we agree, completely.  The incidental facemask call disappeared a couple of years ago, replaced by a rule that even a minor grab of the bars attached to the helmet triggers the major infraction.

Moreover, we’ve routinely seen quarterbacks take minor blows to the head and draw flags for roughing the passer.

So what happened?  Though the tuck rule didn’t matter because the ball bounced off Rodgers’ foot before it was caught by Cardinals linebacker Karlos Dansby, the official undoubtedly was watching Rodgers’ arm and the ball for any evidence of the convoluted mechanical process that makes a fumble not a fumble when the quarterback was in the process of moving his arm forward but hadn’t released the ball before having the ball knocked out.

The bigger problem is that the FOX announcers and the folks talking into their ears didn’t bother to delve into the question of whether not one but two penalties had occurred.  Joe Buck said “Rodgers gets a hand to the face” during the live call, but Buck and his producer(s) blew an excellent opportunity to explain first that the tuck rule didn’t matter in this case and second that what did matter was the failure of the men in black and white to see that Adams had not only hit Rodgers in the head but also had grabbed and tugged his facemask.

So, yes, Packers fans, you have every right to be upset.

Then again, watch the video.  Adams didn’t get a free release from Rodgers’ blind side.  He had to cut in front of an underneath receiver before circling into the backfield, and Rodgers could have (and should have) seen Adams coming. 

By our count, Rodgers had the ball in his hands for three full seconds before getting hit. 

When Rodgers was getting thrown around like a rag doll in the first half of the season, he quietly was being criticized within the locker room for holding the ball too long.  And that’s the biggest thing that the Packers need to address this offseason in order to make Rodgers into a guy who can deliver consistently in the clutch.

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  1. straverse says: Jan 11, 2010 7:59 AM

    The ball’s knocked out before the facemask occurs though. Maybe the Cards should have received a 15 yard penalty, but only enforced after they recoverd the ball. They still would have gone in to score the way that game was going.

  2. mnmaverick says: Jan 11, 2010 8:03 AM

    It happens. Remember the uncalled fask mask penalty in over-time when Adrian fumbled while having his head ripped -off from behind in the Bears game? I didn’t think so.

  3. DoWorkSon says: Jan 11, 2010 8:06 AM

    Kinda like All Day against the Bears a few weeks back? Shoulda, coulda, woulda.
    Great season Packers. Big eff you to the fans though. Hahahaha!

  4. Captain says: Jan 11, 2010 8:08 AM

    I wish every action of every play on the field could be monitored by the officials but it will never happen.

  5. lololnpnp says: Jan 11, 2010 8:08 AM

    So I guess this means there were no missed calls against the Cardinals? Don’t let the timing of the no-call blind you to all the missed holding/interfering/etc. calls throughout a game.

  6. Richm2256 says: Jan 11, 2010 8:09 AM

    I can’t see that that was an intentional hit to the head, and that it was an intentional grab of the facemask. Not a Cardinals or Packer fan here, and what I see is Adams reaching for the ball and as he’s slapping it, the ball caused his hand to hit Rodgers’ face mask. His hand got caught, it didn’t appear to be a “grab”. And yes, the ball clearly came loose before that happened, if that means anything. Rodgers clearly intentionall kicked the ball, inadvertantly keeping it in the air instead of falling to the ground, which would have changed everything.
    Packers fans can complain about that call for the rest of their lives but the truth is they should have never let that offense drop that many points on them. Plenty of other plays they should have stopped to be pointing at that one play.
    I just want to say that I can’t believe this play wasn’t reviewed on the field. In overtime, with the game on the line, and a question – at the least – of Rodgers’ arm movement, how do they NOT review that? Might be a moot point whether the arm was moving and it was an interception or the arm was stopped and it was a fumble, but still how do they NOT look at that play?

  7. AirlineGuy says: Jan 11, 2010 8:13 AM

    Boohoo. Karma is a bitch and the Packer got what they deserve. Go back to the Dallas game where there were TWO, count them TWO major turnovers that after ACTUAL review weren’t and cost Dallas the game.
    You win some, you lose some, but Green Bay lost this one.

  8. pm18=goat says: Jan 11, 2010 8:13 AM

    Rodgers overthrew Jennings in the first play of the overtime. Had that pass been completed it would have ended then and there.

  9. awfflpete says: Jan 11, 2010 8:14 AM

    Two plays before that, during the plays that Colledge got called for holding, Rodgers took a helmet to helmet hit that should have offset the holding penalty. The officiating that entire game was horrible. Granted, it’s tough to complain about losing when your team gives up 51 points, but there were far too many inconsistencies in this game compared to how officials were calling things all season. Complete BS. This loss is going to hurt for a while.

  10. luigiboy says: Jan 11, 2010 8:14 AM

    I agree with straverse AND know that Rodgers held on to that ball longer because he knew if he didn’t make a play the Cards were getting the ball anyway and it was game over.
    You can’t really criticize him for that any more than the flap Favre took for trying to make plays when his team was in a spot. He’s just doing his job.
    The more important blown call came the play before when Rodgers got speared and it didn’t get flagged and instead they got called for holding.

  11. sportsyackontap says: Jan 11, 2010 8:15 AM

    Yeah, they really got screwed. They gave up 51 points, and the Refs “jobbed” them.
    How about Aaron Rodgers not overthrow Greg Jennings? Twice.
    Packer fans needs to stick the cheese where the sun don’t shine, and hire a new defensive coordinator for next season.

  12. j-wil says: Jan 11, 2010 8:15 AM

    what make it tough to swallow is yes there was a facemask, but more outrageous was the play before that- there should have been leading with the helmet call.
    warner gets a call when a d-linemen is blocked into him, rodgers gets nothing…………maybe he’ll get those calls next year.
    great game, tough one for the pack- I think either team would be one and done with defense performances like that however

  13. MNFANINAZ says: Jan 11, 2010 8:15 AM

    I’m sorry, I completely misjudged the title of this thread… I thought for sure they got screwed by their travel agents when setting up vacation destinations.
    Bye Packers… let’s face it, you did yourselves a favor by losing here, another beat down by Favre and the Vikes would have just felt like WE were piling on.
    what time is Tee time again?
    :Championship Belt:

  14. Warthog says: Jan 11, 2010 8:16 AM

    This is a no-brainer; the face-mask grab was not seen because in such a critical overtime situation every single zebra’s eyes were locked onto that ball as soon as it popped loose.
    With respect to Rodgers, who is a very good quarterback, he deserved to lose the game in this fashion after holding the ball too long, not just for the preceeding four quarters, but the preceeding 16 games.
    He has a high ceiling; he will learn from this loss.
    Packers fans – don’t get too down. Your team wasn’t really as good as their 11-5 record. But they’re on the upswing. Next year they will actually be legitimate contenders. Patience.
    Florio – You suck dude. Just thought I’d throw that in.

  15. dboom92 says: Jan 11, 2010 8:20 AM

    If we’re going to get technical, the Packers O-line was holding the entire game.

  16. bake says: Jan 11, 2010 8:20 AM

    So many times calls get missed in these games, but it’s better than calling every single little tug, hold, grab, etc. because the games would be rendered unwatchable. If the Packers had any kinda defense, this wouldn’t have been the way they lost………….

  17. chris says: Jan 11, 2010 8:21 AM

    I am a bills fan so I do not even care for the packer but they got screwed. How about the helmet to helmet hit then the face mask. mnmaverick peterson barely got his mask touched…Peterson is so overrated. But is really does not matter the saints will represent the NFC anyway.

  18. Love_Boat_Scandal says: Jan 11, 2010 8:24 AM

    I thought the ball had come loose before Rodgers got the facemask. I’m not sure how the rule works, but wouldn’t that then just back up the Cardinals 15 yards? Or would it be that the facemask prevented Rodgers from recovering the football?
    Oh well, not much they can do about it now. I still like the direction the Pack are headed. They will be in the thick of things again next year. Go Pack!

  19. BenRapistberger says: Jan 11, 2010 8:26 AM

    The facemask came after the ball was out, and then Rodgers tried to kick the ball which is also a penalty. At BEST if you want to complain about every single penalty not getting called, it was offsetting penalties and a replay of downs.
    This is the NFL, don’t let the other team stay close enough to let the game be decided by a no-call. Blaming this game on the refs and not the Packers defense is a travesty.

  20. Love_Boat_Scandal says: Jan 11, 2010 8:28 AM

    Actually, looking at the video, Rodgers gets hit in the helmet with one hand and the ball knocked with the other, then the facemask is grabbed.

  21. Anarcho Purplism says: Jan 11, 2010 8:30 AM

    1st response to this thread hit the nail on the head:
    fumble occurred before the face mask, so the best the Pack can biatch about is the Cards having the ball post-fumble 1st & 10.

  22. mnmaverick says: Jan 11, 2010 8:33 AM

    Officials generally favor the home team.
    Being ripped-off on the road is nothing new.

  23. BernardPollardIsAnAss says: Jan 11, 2010 8:36 AM

    “…even a minor grab of the bars attached to the helmet triggers the major infraction.”
    Not true. Minor grabs are no longer a penalty, period. When the rule changed it was emphasized that only more severe violations would result in the penalty. Thus, the smaller penalty was eliminated. There was no intention of changing the rule so every single time a finger was tangled in a mask it would result in a 15 yarder. That’s silly.

  24. PackFanNChiTown says: Jan 11, 2010 8:37 AM

    The officials can’t allow something as minor as a helmet-to-helmet or facemask call stand in the way of a Cards victory though. I mean, that wouldn’t be right now would it…
    /sarcasm off.
    Cards played a helluva game, so did the Pack offense. Next year Pack faces the AFC/NFC East, plus Atlanta and SF so we’ll see how they do against a much tougher schedule.

  25. Fan of Football says: Jan 11, 2010 8:41 AM

    Rodgers held onto the ball way to long for a 3rd and 5. After the game he tries to come up with some excuses, but he just plain blew it.

  26. Steeler-lady says: Jan 11, 2010 8:43 AM

    There is no incindental face mask….lol so whether it was intentional or not it dont matter..it happened. I was more pissed about the blow to the head 2 plays prior that wasnt called.

  27. Cougar Bait says: Jan 11, 2010 8:44 AM

    What about the touchdown where Cullen Jenkins got blocked into Warner, and Fitzgerald steamrolled Charles Woodson en route to that diving catch for a TD? And Jenkins was the one called for a penalty? Yeah, the Cardinals got some calls yesterday for sure (No Packers fan here, btw). Regardless, that was one of the best playoff games I’ve ever witnessed.

  28. Fan_Of_ Four says: Jan 11, 2010 8:44 AM

    Oh and by the way…Florio is playing with you Packer Fans like a new born baby who just discovered his own junk. Why would he do it you ask ? He knows how vocal you are about your Team and having a headline like this just adds to his click count which puts more ching in his pockets.

  29. SeaOtter says: Jan 11, 2010 8:44 AM

    Rodgers led his team to an 11-5 season, and put up 45 points in a playoff game. Seriously, what more does he need to do to prove he can deliver in the clutch?

  30. 12to85ftw says: Jan 11, 2010 8:45 AM

    Love all the Vikings trolls coming outta the woodwork. I CAN NOT WAIT for next weekend when Favre has his typical playoff meltdown against a great Dallas Defense.
    Green Bay Packers – 12 Championships
    Minnesota Vikings – 0 Championships
    It figures they can only take satisfaction in talking trash on the Packers, since clearly they never have any success of their own to brag about.

  31. Philtration says: Jan 11, 2010 8:45 AM

    The Green Bay Packers have never lost a game in their entire history. Ever!
    They only get cheated out of what is rightfully theirs and theirs alone.
    Right Packer fans?
    He did not grap the face mask until the ball was already out but that does not matter to the cheesedicks.
    I remember that they all laughed when Peterson fumbled against the Bears a few weeks ago so shut the hell up.
    Whiners.

  32. wferg1121 says: Jan 11, 2010 8:45 AM

    Not a GB/AZ fan, If you look at the video it was incidental but once Dansby got his hands on his facemask, he did start turning Rodgers head to bring Rogers down(Dansby was probably thinking he is getting a facemask penalty anyways)
    In terms of the officiating, this is the worst year I can ever remember. I am sure everyone can acknowledge that some of it went against their teams, and some of it helped their teams out. The problem is there is no real solution to fix these, other than add an hour on each game and let the coaches challenge everything.

  33. Bart says: Jan 11, 2010 8:46 AM

    The fifteen yard penalty would’ve given the Pack the first down. The facemask was part of the play that caused the fumble, not a play that was post possession (like a hold or block in the back on the return).. It was missed, and so are many other calls in the game (Berry’s helmet to helmet on the play before as well)… This was a call that should not have been missed since the Ref’s primary mission to watch the QB not Dansby running into the endzone..
    Oh well, great game.. the one decent one all weekend..

  34. jfg says: Jan 11, 2010 8:47 AM

    This was a huge miss on the part of the Refs but it wasn’t the only one they made in this game or the other games all year. They are either getting worse as time goes by or they are getting paid off–these seem to me to be the only ways one could account for the horrendous officiating we have seen in the last couple years. The NFL needs to go to full time refs as a means to, hopefully, increase the quality of the officiating in games. There are now simply too many calls missed, too many wrong calls made, and too many games given away.

  35. Manbearpig says: Jan 11, 2010 8:48 AM

    My question is, how come Rodgers kicked the ball to Dansby? Didn’t seem like such a smart move to me. Someone should teach Rodgers not to do that.
    Good thing the Packers got rid of Favre. How many dropkick interceptions does he have this year? LOL!
    Pack fans have fun watching Brett in the playoffs this weekend!

  36. SirSuperSouthern says: Jan 11, 2010 8:50 AM

    You can also run into the punter if you get a piece of the ball. Rogers still had the ball in his hand, he might as well have been impersonating Ben Rothlisberger.
    Had they called some BS like that to basically hand the game to GB it would’ve been a a travesty. At least this way the game was decided by the players…

  37. Pack83 says: Jan 11, 2010 8:51 AM

    For all those who think the penalty would have just moved the Cards 15 yards back…think about a roughing the passer call…it doesn’t matter if the QB threw a pick, if he got hit late…offense would still keep the ball.
    For example: if on that first play where Rodgers threw the awful pick…if he got hit late for roughing the passer, it would be 15 yards, first down Packers, despite the INT. I mean it’s not like he got hit trying to chase Dansby down.
    So yeah, if you think the Cards would have kept the ball…think again. And as a Packer fan, I’m more pissed about the Colledge hold call on 2nd down that wasn’t a hold, plus the missed helmet to helmet…would have tacked on 15 yards and the Pack would have had 1st down at midfield. But we didn’t deserve to win period.

  38. Krow says: Jan 11, 2010 8:51 AM

    Favre’s revenge is complete. He’s finally evened the score with those Packer fans who made him famous and rich beyond his wildest dreams. That will teach them.

  39. Gbp123 says: Jan 11, 2010 8:52 AM

    What a great game. Disappointed my Packers lost but early mistakes and a lack of defense sealed the season for them.
    I will have to say that the majority of Packer fans are morons however. I supported Thompson and McCarthy throughout the Favre deal and still do, but I’m seeing once again the Packer fans calling for mass firings. Idiots! They have turned this roster over in a few years and put together a playoff caliber team. Most cities only pray for that. Rodgers was the right call. Favre is/was great but they couldn’t let Aaron walk or suffer on the bench. They fought back hard. McCarthy to me is a great coach, 5 second half TDs and the onside kick wow!
    Whining about one “missed” call is petty and obnoxious. Enjoyed the season thoroughly, only wish we could have taken it further.
    Good luck to the rest of the teams in the race.

  40. Mr Krinkle says: Jan 11, 2010 8:54 AM

    “The incidental facemask call disappeared a couple of years ago, replaced by a rule that even a minor grab of the bars attached to the helmet triggers the major infraction.”
    This is wrong. Minor facemask infractions (the old 5 yard penalties), is not a penalty. That was the new rule, minor stuff gets let go, major stuff gets 15 yards. The refs don’t always call it like that though.
    Was this a blow to the head, yes. Was this a major facemask worth a 15-yard penalty? Maybe.

  41. packersurle says: Jan 11, 2010 8:55 AM

    I am not going to blame the loss on the refs. I would make the point that one ref only job is to watch the QB and on twice within 6 plays he didn’t call personal fouls.
    The ref was watching both times and didn’t make the call. I would think us Packers fans should get some explanation from the league on why.

  42. Allied Biscuit says: Jan 11, 2010 8:55 AM

    the packers defense should be happy they lost and don’t have to get demolished by the saints.
    The Saints are going to destroy the Cardinals. This is the biggest game in that dome’s history. That place will be jacked.
    Brees is licking his chops at the prospect of playing a defense that cannot cover, and cannot tackle in the secondary. this will be the new england game all over again.

  43. marshall70 says: Jan 11, 2010 8:57 AM

    The Refs have been horrible all season in so many games. If it feels better for GB fans to blame the refs for this loss then more power to them.
    This happened to Adrian Peterson in the Chicago game and I highly doubt many Packer fans would agree that a penalty should have been called in that instance.
    GB has one hell of a passing attack and should strike fear in other NFC North teams in coming years. GB defense is over rated, sorry. Some real good players on that side of the ball, but brutal against elite QBs.
    I wish Jermichael Finley played on another NFC North team.

  44. Patsfan1776 says: Jan 11, 2010 8:57 AM

    The officiating in the NFL has been horrendous this year. Is it poor officiating or is the NFL trying to “manage” outcomes? The Patriots had at least 3 bad calls go their way yesterday. I am a fan of the Pats but they didn’t show up yesterday, plain and simple, and shouldn’t expect the refs to start making stuff up.

  45. Allied Biscuit says: Jan 11, 2010 8:59 AM

    also, the packers were superbowl favorites this year. look at si.com predictions. espn. they were the nfc favorites! even deadspin picked them! they’ve been picking the packers since that ‘unstoppable’ preseason. come on people. stop talking like this team exceeded expectations.

  46. Pack83 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:01 AM

    The last time the Saints had ‘the biggest game in dome’s history’ (a place that’s had, what, 7 Super Bowls?), the Saints scored 3 points in the first 3 quarters, so easy on the confidence there…

  47. cusoman says: Jan 11, 2010 9:01 AM

    Oh for crying out loud… “So, yes, Packers fans, you have every right to be upset.”
    This is a blatant attempt to rabble rouse a conversation and more hits here from the Vike/Pack commenter crew. Where was Florio and the “you got screwed!” chants when AP got horsecollar tackled against Detroit earlier this year? What about the blatant facemask against AP in the Chicago game where he lost the ball in the process? (sound familiar?)
    It’s pretty obvious what’s going on here, and I urge you all to not take place in it (or block ads on this site like I do, so it doesn’t matter :P )
    You lost, get over it and get on with your lives (if you have one outside of football!)

  48. Crushitlong says: Jan 11, 2010 9:04 AM

    This was a great game, yet it illustrates the BIGGEST ISSUE facing the NFL: It’s not drugs, it’s not guns, it’s not questionable character issues, it’s very poor inconsistent officiating.
    Several areas need to be addressed in the off-season. What really constitues roughing the quarterback, when is it offensive interference versus defensive interference, and a reviewing of the ‘holding’ penalty in general.

  49. PerryMason says: Jan 11, 2010 9:06 AM

    Last year it was injuries to the defense, against the Vikes this year it was their poor offensive line had boo boos. Now it’s the refs.
    Enough with the excuses, it makes you cheese brains look like little girl drama queens. Just admit it, Favre is gone and the Gay-Rod, Green Bay Poofer era has begun. And it ain’t going to be good.

  50. Nevisyakker says: Jan 11, 2010 9:06 AM

    BenRapistberger comment:”and then Rodgers tried to kick the ball which is also a penalty.”
    I had not thought of that, nor have I heard any of the “experts” mention it, but you have that exactly right. Playing hacky sack with the ball is also outside the rules.
    Bottom line, the face mask call coulda-shoulda been made, along with 50 other calls during the game spread between both teams. We all whine about the officials but to say, “After further review, Packers got screwed” is pretty stupid. Officials make calls, miss calls, blow calls, etc. That the league needs to improve the officiating is something most of us agree on without question. BUT—the Packers had plenty of chances to win the game including Rodgers missing Jennings on the first play of the drive and especially since if their defense could have forced all of TWO punts during the game they’d have won.

  51. Supersuckers says: Jan 11, 2010 9:07 AM

    Afer watching the replay yeah there was a facemask but really what official is going to see that. The official responsible for the QB is the referee…he was busy deciding fumble or incompletion in real time. Besides, the facemask looks like it occured after the fumble so if by some stroke of mad luck an official did see it I think it still would have been AZ ball just 15 yards from the foul. 45 points and not winning a playoff game means there was more problems then this one call.

  52. .VoxVeritas says: Jan 11, 2010 9:07 AM

    Reminds me of the time that Jeremy Maclin punched Ken Hamlin in the head way out of bounds, Hamlin did nothing but say something back to Maclin, Hochuli calls offsetting penalties.

  53. Greenn'Gold says: Jan 11, 2010 9:10 AM

    I wished that I lived in the universe that Viking “fans” lives in, it must be all flowers and sunshine all the time.
    The rules are the rules, you cannot change them to fit your situation or change them to fit your perceived situation.
    If there was a facemask it should have been called and it should have been the Packs ball after a 15 yard penalty. Watch the video … there was a facemask and when it occurred no one had control of the ball, therefore it would still be Green Bays ball.
    That being said, not all penalties are called (especially in this game versus AZ), not all penalties are seen by the refs, that is what makes this game interesting and human. As a Packer fan, I can live with that. The Pack should have not been in this situation, but as the overtime started we were all hoping they could rise above it and pull off an amazing comeback.
    The only hope that the old black and blue division has for a superbowl championship is the Vikings, and this in one Packer fan that will cheer for them. I don’t believe in the old “hate your rivals till the day you die mentality”, kinda silly. So go “Green Bay West”, and if you don’t make it this year you can always go after Kampman and Collins.

  54. redsquare says: Jan 11, 2010 9:11 AM

    Have to go with the prevailing sentiment above and say that a less-than-clear penalty non-call isn’t the real issue of this game for the Pack. Turning the ball over twice and getting behind by 17 points right off the bat was the issue.
    There are always going to be non-calls in any game. They will happen in important plays just as much as unimportant plays. No team can really control this. What they can control is their own play. Teams that win in the playoffs are those that best control the only thing they have control over–their own play.
    The difference between these two teams yesterday was virtually nil. But that first 17 points and the defensive play at the end was the difference between these two teams.
    That illustrates what is still a weakness in this Packers team. But it’s a small one, and getting smaller. If it’s still there this time next year, I’d be very surprised.
    I can understand why Packers diehards are upset. But in the end this could be the best lesson for the Packers about not leaving the outcomes of big games up to things they can’t control. A hard way to get the lesson, but if it helps them shore up part of their game, it could have benefits for years to come. I predict next year we’ll see the Packers make fewer mistakes. This loss should leave them hungry.

  55. Pervy*Harvin says: Jan 11, 2010 9:11 AM

    Packer fans who cry about some bs facemask call: The world don’t care!!
    When AD got masked at the Chicago OT,you laughed.We laugh now!
    You lost the “Defenseless Bowl” because of the infamous “Hacky Sack TD” kicked from Rodgers to Dansby. You are in history now,cherish it!!
    Remember,the only reason you were in OT was because a kicker couldn’t do his job,make an xtra point fg.
    Warner is much better than Rodgers,quit making Rodgers out to be so heroic! He threw a pick first pass and held the ball in ot…choked for you.
    Bottom line,I said Warner would do a Big Ben on your pathetic Mr. Woodcock led D and the Card D would go after Rodgers and I was right! Feel free to say you are sorry…I will forgive you!

  56. chunky soupy sales says: Jan 11, 2010 9:12 AM

    The ball is loose before the facemask. so even if they had called the facemask, how could a penalty been carried out, since the ball went directly to the cardinals and into the endzone?
    I ask that as a legit question, because I don’t know.

  57. Gbp123 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:12 AM

    @Allied Biscuit
    I think the Packers have the better match up against the Saints believe it or not. Not saying they would have won but I doubt they would be “demolished”. I’m thinking the Cardinals will lose, simply because they are coming off an emotional game and the Saints have been resting and game planning for the past few weeks knowing they were playing GB or ARZ

  58. JP Ryan says: Jan 11, 2010 9:13 AM

    Long story short… Refs missed the facemask call… Are they to be blamed for that? no, because they were doing what they were supposed to be doing, watching the ball for possession.
    No need to review the play because it obviously never hit the ground. It was either a fumble or an interception, but in either case the result was the same.

  59. Tompadre says: Jan 11, 2010 9:14 AM

    We all know you don’t actually watch football Florio, so we’ll forgive you on this one. Since the dropping of the incidental facemask rule, it seems the actual enforcement of the facemask rule has been when the mask is twisted, turned or pulled as per the rule. It seems it is very rarely called when the mask is simply grabbed – notice when running backs grab a mask when stiff arming, but don’t twist it, turn it or pull it.
    In the case with Rodgers, his head is never jerked in a direction so the ref following the loose ball probably didn’t see the hand on the mask. Still, the rule says twisted, turned or pulled and it didn’t seem Adams did that.

  60. lars says: Jan 11, 2010 9:20 AM

    When one team loses on a final play, it’s easy to pick out non-calls. The fact is there were plenty of them all game long against both teams.
    BTW, this story is really lame.

  61. OmegaXxXNFL says: Jan 11, 2010 9:25 AM

    I’ll be here for ya Viking fans when you clowns choke this Sunday, I will be here hitting hard!

  62. leatherneck says: Jan 11, 2010 9:25 AM

    As anyone can see in the video, the ball is fumbled before contact is made with his facemask.
    The Packers got screwed? No. They screwed themselves.

  63. ch19079 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:26 AM

    1) no tuck rule because the ball never hit the ground. Its either a fumble or INT, so that doesnt matter.
    2) I did see the defender grab the face mask and hit Rodgers in the head. But in OT, in the playoffs, on a defensive TD to end the game… that isnt getting called. Maybe if that was Brady instead of Rodgers it would have been, but it wasnt. And you could say his hand was “on” the facemask, he didnt turn it or pull on it.
    3) Even if it was a bad call, the Packers cant really complain. They should have lost the game in regulation. The Packer D couldn’t stop the Cards. The final play was 3rd down and even if it wasnt picked off/fumble recovery, they would have punted and probubly lost anyways.
    A great game to watch. but I think its misguided to simply blame the loss on the refs, all things consitered.

  64. leatherneck says: Jan 11, 2010 9:27 AM

    OK, Packers, we’ll give you the penalty. We’ll enforce it on the ensuing kickoff. So go back down to Arizona and receive the kickoff. Here it comes. Oh, wait. The game is over. There is no kickoff. Nevermind.

  65. EdgarSnyder says: Jan 11, 2010 9:28 AM

    wah wah mother f’ing wah.
    ball was hit first, you’all are splitting hairs.
    florio you never played football, that is painfully obvious.

  66. AR12isBetter says: Jan 11, 2010 9:28 AM

    I LOVE how all the Packers fans go to work and ALL the Vikqueers fans sit at home and read PFT. No offense Florio but could your next post be THE 5 BEST WAYS TO GET A JOB IN MINNESOTA?
    Ahhh screw it what’s the point, when your state is all low income TRAILER PARKS it really doesn’t matter if you make rent or not.
    Enjoy the Budweiser and Brandy today losers. Next Mon. getting prepared for the Cowboys Saints game just won’t be the same

  67. DaDaubs says: Jan 11, 2010 9:29 AM

    Chunky – the penalty would have been assessed 15 yards and the Packers would have retained possession because the Cardinals did not secure possession of the ball before the infraction.

  68. FlorioWhorio says: Jan 11, 2010 9:29 AM

    BernardPollardIsAnAss says:
    January 11, 2010 8:36 AM
    “…even a minor grab of the bars attached to the helmet triggers the major infraction.”
    Not true. Minor grabs are no longer a penalty, period. When the rule changed it was emphasized that only more severe violations would result in the penalty. Thus, the smaller penalty was eliminated. There was no intention of changing the rule so every single time a finger was tangled in a mask it would result in a 15 yarder. That’s silly.
    _________
    Time to change your screen name to “BernardPollardOWNSThePats’Ass”. LMFAO!!!!
    Or maybe “HoustonTurfIsAnAss”. LMFAO!!!!!!

  69. FlorioWhorio says: Jan 11, 2010 9:33 AM

    chunky soupy sales says:
    January 11, 2010 9:12 AM
    The ball is loose before the facemask. so even if they had called the facemask, how could a penalty been carried out, since the ball went directly to the cardinals and into the endzone?
    I ask that as a legit question, because I don’t know.
    __________
    They would call the TD back and assess the penalty from the spot of the foul, with the Cards retaining possession. Cards would have still scored on that Swiss Cheese defense that the Packers have anyway. DPOY and #1 defense in the NFC, my ass.

  70. Pack83 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:37 AM

    As a Packer fan, it’s just the inconsistency…on the Fitz TD (in which he ran over Woodson) Jenkins got called for contact to the face when he was being tackled into Warner. It was OBVIOUSLY incidental and caused by the fact he was tackled by the O-lineman, and it shouldn’t have been called because he was hog tied into him…much like if you’re blocked into a kicker or punt returner.
    The shot to Rodgers has to be called, period.
    And you morons saying Rodgers kicked the ball…stop, it wasn’t intentional. That rule in place for people intentionally kicking a ball. A few years ago in KC a Packer RB got called for it because he (smartly) kicked a live, loose fumbled ball out of bounds to prevent a defender from recovering it. That’s what the rule is written for.

  71. mixman34 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:38 AM

    Blah Blah blah… they gave up 51 points in a playoff game… 51!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s football. Some calls get made some don’t. Blame the refs all you want losers. If you want to win a playoff game… try not allowing the opposition to score 51 points. Duh.

  72. ninjapleazee says: Jan 11, 2010 9:38 AM

    I’m sorry but Mike Adams got owned last night over and over (penalties after penalties, and running right by Rodgers on that blitz was funny to watch, the only play he got was that cheap facemask play.

  73. FLPackerBacker says: Jan 11, 2010 9:39 AM

    The helmet to helmet shot Rodgers took two plays earlier was a much more clear cut case than this one. So yeah, we got screwed in overtime. But you know what? Rackers should never be missing kicks from inside 35 yards so I’m not going to rip the officials too hard for this. You can’t give up 45 points and expect to win. I don’t know why Capers didn’t adjust his style to blanket the middle and rush from the outside to force sideline throws by Warner, but he never did. Instead he tried to blitz more and continue to leave the underneath seam routes wide open from 5-15 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. That’s where the game was lost.

  74. morris says: Jan 11, 2010 9:40 AM

    Not only was the facemask on the last play obvious, what about the holding on Packers defensive linemen when Warner through a touchdown to Fitzgerald after Fitzgerald ran over Woodson. Enjoyed the game but it seems some quarterbacks and players get protected more than others.

  75. tradebait9 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:41 AM

    3 Things Packer fans need to know……
    1. Apparently the Packers need to rename their “Psycho Defense” to the new and improved “Swiss Cheese Defense”
    2. Aaron Rodgers had ALL year to figure out that he needs to get rid of the ball sooner and he DIDN’T.
    And last but not least……
    3. BRETT FARVE is alive and well in Minnesota……and BTW ….STILL IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!
    SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!

  76. FLPackerBacker says: Jan 11, 2010 9:42 AM

    And as for Rodgers choking or not getting rid of the ball… no one was open and there was no room to run. You all watched the game and know this for a fact: A fumble, sack or INT was going to result in the same thing as a punt. The Packers defense only stopped Arizona from scoring three times in that game: One punt, one fumble recovery and one missed FG and the final one doesn’t really count. Had Rodgers thrown it away or tucked the ball and taken the sack, Kapinos would have punted and Arizona would have summarily driven down the field for the score. A-Rod’s only option there was to hold it, be ready to throw and pray someone got open before he got hit. It just didn’t work out that way.
    Now on the other hand, had the Packers D actually played even OK in that game, I’d be all over my boy for screwing the pooch the way I was when Favre threw those OT INTs against the Giants and Eagles in the playoffs years ago.

  77. BUNYAN says: Jan 11, 2010 9:44 AM

    Yes, Rogers was face masked, but that happened after the fumble. Cardinals still get the ball along with a 15 yard penalty. By the way, I can guarantee you that if the face mask had been committed by the Raiders instead of the Cardinals, the refs would of found a way to nullify the touchdown and give the ball back to the Packers.

  78. radioboy20010 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:45 AM

    To all the Vi-kinks fans(and others) gloating about the Packers loss…
    Well, guess what, folks. You now get to see Brent Gump in all his glory this weekend. Maybe he will throw another interception to end your season, like he did twice in his career. Maybe he will throw 6 interceptions in a playoff game, like he did a few years ago.
    Here’s a Packers fan who is wishing, praying, that 1000 pounds of Cowboys defensive linemen repeatedly are laying on top of Brent Gump.
    Ten years from now Gump will be trying another comeback and Aaron will be our Hall of Famer.

  79. Bubby Brister says: Jan 11, 2010 9:46 AM

    I know my opinions don’t equate to actual rules, but in my opinion penalties should only be handed out if they directly impact the play. And Rodgers fumbled before he got his facemask grabbed.
    Now you could argue that getting thrown to the ground by his facemask stopped him from recovering the ball back, but I think he still would have been taken to the ground. If the Packers want to cry about losing the game, don’t give up 51 points in the playoffs next time and that probably won’t happen.

  80. garylandon41 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:49 AM

    It appears a lot of people on here don’t know shit about football…
    People saying the following:
    -it would have been cards ball 15 yards back
    -the ball was already fumbled it doesn’t matter
    -incidental facemasks are no longer called (you’re right, they’re all 15 yard personal fouls now)
    -It was just a facemask penalty
    It wasn’t the facemask that’s an issue. It’s a blow to the head of a quarterback!!!!!!!!!! It has been called the entire year on all quarterbacks (Brady in particular)
    Seriously folks. Know what you’re talking about before you post on here.
    And vikings fans—-you got screwed too against the bears, but that one wasn’t NEARLY as obvious

  81. Richm2256 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:50 AM

    SeaOtter says:
    Rodgers led his team to an 11-5 season, and put up 45 points in a playoff game. Seriously, what more does he need to do to prove he can deliver in the clutch?
    Oooooooohh, I don’t know ….. how about a playoff win, maybe?

  82. stnmmc says: Jan 11, 2010 9:51 AM

    In the interest of full disclosure I have no animosity towards the Green Bay franchise, in fact it is one of the NFL clubs I hold in high esteem.
    This is getting absolutely ridiculous though. Typical modern American attitude. It is always someone else’s fault, and with the expanding media and increased clarity of TV replays it is easy to find human error by referees on nearly every play. But the referees were not responsible for the human error that is your secondary, but to accept that they were the ultimate reason the game was lost it is easier to shift the blame to officials.
    Sport is supposed to teach life long lessons to those who participate in it, one of which should be respect for your opponent and officials, and it saddens me that we do not treat officials with any respect in this country. (nor do we give our opponet any respect, generally speaking, each team has fans that are classy and respectful of their opponent and the game)
    Maybe if some of you “experts” that cry about every call should get off of your asses and go get certified. Once you have done it you will realize just how difficult it is, or you will be good at it and may make your way up to the big leagues.
    Respect yourself. Respect your opponent. Respect the game. Stop crying and start acting like men, accept defeat with dignity and move on to next year. I know I have, my team didn’t even get a chance to give up 51.

  83. jamesz23 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:53 AM

    Let me tell you something – that dude is scary,” Arizona free safety Antrel Rolle(notes) said of Rodgers. “We have a great defense, and we were up on him and ready to pounce, and he found ways to tear us apart.
    “I don’t ever want to face him again in my life. I am dead serious. I’ll face Drew Brees any day of the week before I face him again.”
    Added Pro Bowl strong safety Adrian Wilson(notes): “Hey, nobody ever said the guy was a bad player. But to have him actually do what he did to us in the second half was unbelievable. He was on fire. The whole half. The guy was just amazing.”
    The Cardinals’ star wideout, Larry Fitzgerald(notes), was equally impressed. “Aaron Rodgers threw for about, what, 700 yards today?” he asked, laughing. “You’ve got to tip your hat to the Packers. Those guys – let’s just say we wouldn’t want to play them again. And he is a special, special, special talent.”

  84. Bzilla says: Jan 11, 2010 9:53 AM

    The fumble was first! So then the Card kick a field goal to win!
    No tears for the Packer fans. The team is overrated – except for Karen Rodgers.
    Quit crying and stop talking about your old titles. 13 years ago is barely the “modern era” – so get over your falsely inflated selves!!!!

  85. dallasfaninwftx says: Jan 11, 2010 9:54 AM

    Florio is just deflecting the fact from himself with this story, how can you bitch when your team gives up so many points, but the fact is Florio was 0-4 in wildcard picks and he does not want to write aboout that. my grandmother could do better,……and shes been dead for 20 years.
    GO COWBOYS!!

  86. jeffragnarchicken says: Jan 11, 2010 10:01 AM

    12to85ftw says:
    January 11, 2010 8:45 AM
    Love all the Vikings trolls coming outta the woodwork. I CAN NOT WAIT for next weekend when Favre has his typical playoff meltdown against a great Dallas Defense.
    Green Bay Packers – 12 Championships
    Minnesota Vikings – 0 Championships
    It figures they can only take satisfaction in talking trash on the Packers, since clearly they never have any success of their own to brag about.
    =============================
    Yep , only a matter of time before the turds bring this one out.
    What does 13 to 42 years ago have to do with 2009?
    Still have not got a legitimate answer to this question.
    That is because there is only 1 correct answer, and that is nothing.
    But, you turds just cannot admit that.

  87. cusoman says: Jan 11, 2010 10:01 AM

    @garylandon41
    Not nearly as obvious? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg3J2wGpT3w – at 0:30, I’d say that’s pretty obvious – his head TWISTS.

  88. DaDaubs says: Jan 11, 2010 10:07 AM

    For the umpteenth time, people:
    The facemask grab occurred BEFORE the change of possession, thus the Packers would have retained possession – WITH A 1ST DOWN – had it been called.

  89. jc107 says: Jan 11, 2010 10:10 AM

    Also, for the few claiming it was a fumble before the facemask. Even IF it was, it was still the Packers ball due to the fact the Cardinals hadn’t recovered it yet, then he gets a facemask while the ball is loose. It should be Packer ball and 1st down. But what do cheaters care, they love a game that ends with corruption.

  90. wangchungish312 says: Jan 11, 2010 10:11 AM

    No bigger Packer fan than me but come on people bad calls/questionable non calls are part of the game. If you don’t like it play better and you won’t have to worry about the refs.

  91. Pack83 says: Jan 11, 2010 10:12 AM

    (It appears a lot of people on here don’t know shit about football…
    People saying the following:
    -it would have been cards ball 15 yards back
    -the ball was already fumbled it doesn’t matter
    -incidental facemasks are no longer called (you’re right, they’re all 15 yard personal fouls now)
    -It was just a facemask penalty
    It wasn’t the facemask that’s an issue. It’s a blow to the head of a quarterback!!!!!!!!!! It has been called the entire year on all quarterbacks (Brady in particular)
    Seriously folks. Know what you’re talking about before you post on here.)
    No you don’t know what you’re talking about…like I said, it was during the continuing action of the play. Again…think about an interception. The ball is thrown, and then the QB gets hit. If the ball is intercepted, the defense doesn’t keep it. It’s roughing the passer, 15 yards, first down Packers. If the refs called the facemask as they should have, it would have nullified the fumble, 100%, period.
    And vikings fans—-you got screwed too against the bears, but that one wasn’t NEARLY as obvious

  92. jc107 says: Jan 11, 2010 10:13 AM

    And even if the Cardinals were given the ball (which they would not have been), there would have been a 15 yard penalty from the spot of the ball.
    I find it truly pathetic any fan defending a game that ends like this. Just blatant corruption. Perhaps one day it will happen to your team, in a playoff game, and then see how you feel about it.

  93. Tompadre says: Jan 11, 2010 10:15 AM

    garylandon –
    Blows to the head generally aren’t called after just touching the ball while it’s near the head and simply following through. It’s the unabated ones that are called.
    SeaOtter – “Seriously, what more does he (Rodgers) need to do to prove he can deliver in the clutch?”
    How about actually winning in the clutch? I’m sure he will, many times, but he hasn’t as of yet when it really mattered.
    Krow –
    Packer fans didn’t make Favre rich & famous – he did!
    FLPackerBacker –
    “Now on the other hand, had the Packers D actually played even OK in that game, I’d be all over my boy for screwing the pooch the way I was when Favre threw those OT INTs against the Giants and Eagles in the playoffs years ago.”
    ==============================
    You’re giving Rodgers a pass because of the defense, but you didn’t give it to Favre? Giants game – defense really needed to try covering Buress. Eagles game – 4th and 26 mean anything to ya?

  94. jc107 says: Jan 11, 2010 10:16 AM

    Then I see all the idiot posts “well you shouldn’t have given up 51 points then”… what complete BS and you know it. FACT IS, the Cardinals also gave up 45 points, and should have lost that game.
    Most likely there are a lot of Viqueen posters here, because that is excactly their personality.
    Oh, “favre is still in the playoffs”. Yeah, right, he had a first round bye, or are you unable to comprehend that.

  95. Pervy*Harvin says: Jan 11, 2010 10:28 AM

    As NFC North brothers…I welcome all of you Packer fans to jump on the Minnesota Viking bandwagon and support your division! That is what good fans do! Good season Packers… get that d figured out and you got a team!

  96. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Jan 11, 2010 10:35 AM

    It was a bad non-call. And there were several other bad calls (and no-calls) against the Packers. I think they definitely got a raw deal from the refs, but that happens. Too bad, but if the Packers defense actually shows up for this game they win going away. Nice job by the Cards offense keeping Matthews out of the game.
    Congrats to the Cards. It was especially impressive without Boldin. Good luck in New Orleans next weekend.

  97. ErinRodgers says: Jan 11, 2010 10:41 AM

    jc107 says:
    January 11, 2010 10:17 AM
    The Viqueens also LOST to this same Carinal team, big time.
    Yeah, in a meaningless regular season game….nice season Pack. Maybe next year against Tjack

  98. Tompadre says: Jan 11, 2010 10:49 AM

    Concerning the so-called bad calls by the refs – my .02 –
    A DB can’t impede a WR in running his route, so they wouldn’t call anything when Woodson tried doing that and got steamrolled. Woodson did it on both of Fitzgerald’s TDs.
    It was more like the O-lineman fell on Jenkins after he cut inside rather than held him. I still think it should have been a no-call on Jenkins’ hit on Warner since the O-lineman was making contact with him.
    Only saw the helmet to helmet play once and not at that great of an angle. It looked like Berry first mad contact with Rodgers’ chest and slid up into the facemask. Did he drill the facemask with the crown of his helmet on first contact?
    There are a few missed calls that went in the Packers favor as well that of course aren’t being mentioned – like off-sides not being called on the recovered on-side kick. This recovery lead to a Packer TD drive.

  99. Marco Polo says: Jan 11, 2010 10:54 AM

    It doesn’t really matter. The defense could not shut the Cardinals down. Warner is a future hall of famer, and Rodgers made some mistakes and still holds on to the ball too long. Favre didn’t get to the Super Bowl until his 5th starting year. I remember people bitching about him back when he couldn’t beat Dallas.
    Rodgers will be a star for years to come and hopefully come to his senses about holding on to the ball. It’s his one weakness.
    If there was one team in the NFC playoffs I could stomach the Packers losing to, it’s the Cardinals and Warner. I’ll be rooting for them the rest of the way.

  100. Plankshelmet says: Jan 11, 2010 10:59 AM

    Are the Packers fans really going to complain about bad officiating ?? Please. Bad officiating gave you a 13-3 season a couple of years ago. Deal with it.

  101. Tompadre says: Jan 11, 2010 11:02 AM

    stnmmc –
    Great post, Couldn’t agree more!
    Depending how well the Viking’s lines play next week against the Cowboys, I may have to put some of that into practice! :)

  102. Ruvell100 says: Jan 11, 2010 11:06 AM

    D couldn’t make the stops it needed to. Rodgers missed Jennings twice. Any combination of those things would have given the Pack a win. I gotta hand it to Warner and the Cards, their offense played outstanding.
    That said, how do you miss a facemask/blow to the head on a quarterback?

  103. woodman says: Jan 11, 2010 11:23 AM

    Neither team played any defense. Officiating horrid in most games anymore.
    Check the stats. I believe Green Bay was ranked in the top 5 for pass defense in the NFL. Check before you put your foot in your mouth.
    And on the final play, had the QB been Brady, Manning, Farve or Brees, the penalty would have been called.

  104. Seaman Jelle says: Jan 11, 2010 11:28 AM

    I’m a Queens fan. Packers got robbed last night, period. Warner is the man, Rodgers is the man, and much younger. The NFC’s #1 D looked like the same D the Pack fielded last year.
    I know you guys have won 12 Championships. That is what the old Packer fans use to give my grandpa a hard time. I would be willing to bet that most people posting have only seen 1 Packer Championship. The Pack are 1-1 in the Super Bowl in my lifetime and the Vikes are 0-0 in the Super Bowl in my life.
    I know most Packers fan will think I am your prototypical Queens fan and that’s fine. Please tell me how you will enjoy Favre’s epic collapse that you have been promising all year. Keep looking to the past as we cast our gaze to the future.
    You guys sound like Al Bundy bragging about his 4 td’s in 1 game back in highschool. Please tell me again of the Packers dominance in the 50’s and 60’s, it is really interesting and holds a lot of bearing in the NFL today.

  105. woodman says: Jan 11, 2010 11:31 AM

    Pack83 knows nothing about football. Possesion was not established until after the facemask. Watch the video. It is not Arizonas ball until it is recovered by them.

  106. GobiasINC_1 says: Jan 11, 2010 11:35 AM

    ErinRodgers says:
    ‘Yeah, in a meaningless regular season game….nice season Pack. Maybe next year against Tjack’
    You mean, the meaningless regular season that you Viking fans are all blowing your loads over? And really, ‘ErinRodgers’? So you don’t like great young NFL quarterbacks? Of course you don’t.
    You’re a Vikings fan. If your team could actually develop a young passer and not raid other team’s rosters for them maybe you would have a Super Bowl victory.
    I hope Dallas slaughters you and our old quarterback.

  107. garylandon41 says: Jan 11, 2010 11:46 AM

    Now that the packers are out….I really hate to say this…… but I’m cheering for Favre. I have such a tremendous hate for the Jersey is wearing, but when it comes down to it, he’s like my crazy uncle that helped raise me on Sundays for 16 of the 28 years of my life. Love the guy, hate the vikings.
    What did we do to deserve this situation?

  108. trekntex says: Jan 11, 2010 11:57 AM

    The ball was out already but it should have been called. Should have been Cards ball 1st and 10 from Packers 22 yard line after a 5 yard facemask penalty that occurred after possession had changed.

  109. Gunny D says: Jan 11, 2010 11:58 AM

    God these Packer fans are worse than the Dallas fans of the 80’s.
    Tom Brookshier said it best: “Dallas fans (and now the Packer fans) don’t know much about the game of football…the only know something is wrong if the Cowboys (and now the Packers) aren’t ahead by two touchdowns.”
    Cards 51 Packers 45…..Season over!!! GET OVER IT!!!@!
    Go Brett, Beat DALLAS!!!!

  110. garylandon41 says: Jan 11, 2010 12:10 PM

    trekntex says:
    January 11, 2010 11:57 AM
    The ball was out already but it should have been called. Should have been Cards ball 1st and 10 from Packers 22 yard line after a 5 yard facemask penalty that occurred after possession had changed.
    I remember when i watched my first football game too

  111. jeffragnarchicken says: Jan 11, 2010 12:16 PM

    GobiasINC_1 says:
    January 11, 2010 11:35 AM
    ErinRodgers says:
    ‘Yeah, in a meaningless regular season game….nice season Pack. Maybe next year against Tjack’
    You mean, the meaningless regular season that you Viking fans are all blowing your loads over? And really, ‘ErinRodgers’? So you don’t like great young NFL quarterbacks? Of course you don’t.
    You’re a Vikings fan. If your team could actually develop a young passer and not raid other team’s rosters for them maybe you would have a Super Bowl victory.
    I hope Dallas slaughters you and our old quarterback.
    ================================
    Yep, the meaningless regular season that got us a 1st round bye.
    In the era of NFL free agency, you don’t need to “develop” a QB, you can just wait for an idiot team to release a future hall of famer.
    You hope Dallas slaughters the Vikes?
    I wouldn’t expect any less out of you.
    The way that game ended, getting your hearts ripped out by your boy hanging on to the ball too long.
    That could not have happened to a better fanbase. You all looked past this game.
    Now you cry, and the “refs screwed you”, one turd actually thinks Vegas had something to do with the outcome!!!
    Turds

  112. straw33 says: Jan 11, 2010 12:18 PM

    Well, first, I am a Packer fan. If you read these posts, there are very few packer fans blaming the non-call for the reason we lost. Most of the posts are from non packer or cardinal fans, or other folks telling us to quit crying. We were not over-rated this year, our defense doesn’t suck, aaron rodgers is not to blame, I can go on and on.
    The bottom line is, we lost the game, and we aren’t complaining about it because of the non-call. There were sooo many plays that could’ve gone either way, and it comes down to making one of those plays, not asking for a gift from the officials. It was a great offensive game, and we will be back for years to come. You pundits can hate on the Packers, but we have built a great young team of talent, in the smallest market in the NFL, and will continue to succeed in the future. The realistic opinion is, both the Saints and the Vikings are very glad to not have to face us.

  113. jeffragnarchicken says: Jan 11, 2010 12:34 PM

    The realistic opinion is, both the Saints and the Vikings are very glad to not have to face us.
    ————————————–
    Yeah, I’m sure the Vikes were scared of facing a team that they beat handily, twice.
    Seeing said team get 51 hung on them, certainly must have given the Vikes pause also.
    Jesus you guys just don’t quit.
    You have 10 key free agents to sign, have fun with that, you will never get them all.
    But, you’ll “be good for years to come”.
    Laughable

  114. HuskerBailey says: Jan 11, 2010 12:35 PM

    Guys……hits to a QB’s head and face mask penalties aren’t “intentional” or “unintentional”…..they either are or they aren’t. Referees have flagged less obvious hits like that all year and clearly blew that call – no question. The Ref also missed a nasty helmet-to-helmet on Rogers on the previous play. Two missed calls in one series….in overtime. Nice work.
    Just to be clear – the tuck rule wasn’t out of play because the ball hit somebody’s foot…..it was out of play because the ball – fumbled or passed – was caught before it hit the ground.
    The tuck rule declares an apparent fumble that hits the ground to be an incomplete pass….nobody knows why. After Brady’s fumble was called off, its probably only been called once or twice in 8-9 years. If you wanted to see more of the same “Boston magic” in NFL officiating, yesterday’s Pat’s game had some new creativity in calls…and no-calls. Bad officiating in both games….let’s get full-time refs, please.

  115. ErinRodgers says: Jan 11, 2010 12:43 PM

    The only meaningful part of the regular season was watching GB’s golden boy, the player you ran out if town, rip out the collective hearts of all you dirty, uneducated, hicks. 2-0, 7tds 0 picks, now that was meaningful. Favre makes the throw to Jennings in OT, rendering all your whining about penalties irrelevant. Obviously Karen is going to put up some good #’s. GB was down 17 points halfway through the first quarter and he threw 45 times. Greatest thing of all is that is she hadn’t kicked the ball right into Dansbys chest it probably would have been reviewed and overturned into an incomplete pass. Then we could have seen that “#1″ d in the NFC do their thing again. I doubt AZ would have scored.

  116. Supersuckers says: Jan 11, 2010 12:47 PM

    jeff says,
    “You have 10 key free agents to sign, have fun with that, you will never get them all.
    But, you’ll be good for years to come.
    Laughable

  117. pakrguru says: Jan 11, 2010 1:01 PM

    Alright…I’ve watched this develop over the past few days…so I’ll sum it up. I’m a licensed official in the State of WI, so go ahead and make your typical one-sided rants claiming I’m some sort of Packers homer. Face it…if you’re a Vikings fan…you watched the play(s) in question with purple colored glasses…and would like nothing more than to see the Packers lose. I just so happen to be a game official with a different perspective.
    That all being said:
    When the NFL changed the facemask rule, they did it with the intention of NOT having the referee decide if there was intent. Any facemask grab by a defending player is a 15 yard penalty. Yank, or no yank.
    Cullen Jenkins was basically tackled, right in front of the umpire, holding was an easy call there. Did he contact Warner’s head after that? Yes. At worst…should have been offsetting penalties, no TD, down repeated.
    Regarding Fitz’s play(s) with Woodson…..a defender has the right to a position on the field, much like a defender in basketball. Essentially…that’s no foul either way, unless either player pushes off. That may or may not have occurred, no good angle showed on any replay.
    Regarding the final series. Rodgers obviously took a helmet to helmet blow. Any contact with the QB’s head, before or after throwing a pass is not only a penalty, it was a point of emphasis for the referees this season. Should have been called.
    Regarding the final play in question. Since point A (regarding facemask penalties) has already been answered, the only issue remaining was the facemask post possession by the Cardinals, or was it prepossession. Since all the photo/video evidence shows it was prepossession, its a simple call. 15 yard penalty, Packers retain possession, automatic first down.
    NOW…..all that being said, I’m not one to say the officials cost the game for GB. They had plenty of opportunities to stop AZ, and they failed. A non-call, or non-calls, or missed calls occur in every game, on every play in fact.
    Vikings fans can run their smack all they want. The truth is, GB will be better next year. They’ve got the youngest team in the league, with a LOT of young talent….Rodgers, Finley, Jennings, Matthews, etc. They’ll be in the playoffs for years to come. The Vikings next championship will be their first championship, and I’m guessing GB wins at least one before they get their first.

  118. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Jan 11, 2010 1:16 PM

    trekntex says:
    January 11, 2010 11:57 AM
    The ball was out already but it should have been called. Should have been Cards ball 1st and 10 from Packers 22 yard line after a 5 yard facemask penalty that occurred after possession had changed.
    —————————–
    Two things:
    – Cards had not established possession until AFTER the facemask.
    – There’s no such thing as a 5 yard facemask anymore. And if it still did exist, that wasn’t it. That was a 15 yarder.

  119. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Jan 11, 2010 1:20 PM

    ErinRodgers says:
    January 11, 2010 12:43 PM
    Favre makes the throw to Jennings in OT, rendering all your whining about penalties irrelevant.
    —————————-
    Favre doesn’t make it to OT. Favre throws 4 picks in the second quarter and the Cards win a laugher as Brett fades into another offseason of will-he-or-won’t-he.
    Go ahead and support your new favorite toy, but don’t go revisionist history on us.

  120. jeffragnarchicken says: Jan 11, 2010 1:30 PM

    What is “laughable?”
    The amount of front line players that all are coming up for contract….AT THE SAME TIME!!
    We went over this once, Super.
    Vikes have 2 key FA”s, The Pack has 10.
    I know you trust Ted, that is your perogitive.
    It just seems to me that the youngest team is about to get younger.
    You and I are NEVER going to agree on this, so let’s just let it go.

  121. HappyBunny says: Jan 11, 2010 1:38 PM

    That was my comment as soon as I saw the first replay: “That’s a face mask penalty!!!”
    Amazingly, the non-call it happened on a QB, of all players.
    Looking at how the place erupted after the score, those refs would have needed to helicopter out through one of those slots in the Big Toaster if they’d actually made the call.

  122. Supersuckers says: Jan 11, 2010 1:42 PM

    Yeah I usually do. until you are employed by an NFL team you have access to 2 percent of the information out there. Can people like us form opinions on 2 percent of the information out there? sure. But its dumb opinions because we do not have the other 98 percent of the information. On answer may be the reason the Packers have all this cap room is Thompson was prepared for this. Financially GB will turn quite the hefty profit this year. I only get 2 percent but that could explain it. None of these guys are unrestricted with no CBA. Sounds like sound and careful planning to me while letting someone else make the market for you. Actually sounds pretty damn smart to have them all come up “AT THE SAME TIME” having someone else establishing the market for you is advantageous. Especially when you have first right of refusal. You have to think outside the box a little and look past what may appear obvious. Because it never is behind closed doors.

  123. jeffragnarchicken says: Jan 11, 2010 2:22 PM

    It’s an uncapped year, Super. Does he run the risk of having someone throw out something he can’t feasibly match?
    Of course, we all know how he like his draft picks.
    Maybe this is just his way of getting more of them?
    Quite a few holes on that defense to fill, and you may as well overhaul that O-line while you’re at it.
    Just because I don’t work for an NFL team, doesn’t mean i don’t have a right to an opinion.
    Common sense dictates that you don’t have 8-10 starters come up for contracts at the same time.
    Thompson is not one to spend money, you of all people should know that.
    Uncapped year spells trouble for the Pack with that many guys up.
    But “we are know nothings”..uff.
    As I said, let’s just agree to disagree, OK?!

  124. Kryptoid says: Jan 11, 2010 2:25 PM

    Just another example of Rodgers not getting the pass off quick enough or just throwing it away.
    Shouldn’t have even been in OT if the Cards would learn how not to blow a 21 point lead or have Rackers hit a chip shot. Packers were lucky to even have a shot at winning that game.

  125. Supersuckers says: Jan 11, 2010 2:59 PM

    Knwo it makes perfect sense because he has a right to match most offers. He spends money. Just not un UFA’s very often. He will spend everythign he can and still be viable to keep their own guys. Why try and guess the market as you would a UFA when you can have the market made for you? To answer your question does he run the risk of someone making an absurd offer? Sure!! If someone makes a dumb offer they let them go. According to Brandt, Thompson has his idea of what type of contract he is willing to offer a player. But why not see if you can “steal” a guy back? Makes total sense.
    I mean really. What do we know? We are not behind those closed doors. What could we possibly know? Common sense to me dictates I want to see what the market is. Not try and guess.

  126. slickmugsy says: Jan 11, 2010 4:13 PM

    Maybe we should just eliminate “Professional Sports”, then we wouldn’t have to listen to people make excuses why “their team” got screwed each week. If Green Bays defense was half as good as everyone said it was, it wouldn’t come down to a fantom “missed call” by the officials!!!!! OH WAIT!!!! I THINK THE OFFICIALS MISSED 5 HOLDING CALLS ON THE 5 TD PASSES THAT WARNER THREW….

  127. ochentacinco says: Jan 11, 2010 4:32 PM

    So you are down 31-10, their fied goal kicker misses a lay-up to take it to overtime, you get the ball first in overtime, your defense gives up 51 and you got screwed on a call????
    (except for you straw33, no disrespect)

  128. SilentBob420BMFJ says: Jan 11, 2010 5:51 PM

    Some of these comments I’ve been reading on the various sites are so idiotic. “Can’t call facemask on somebody who doesn’t have the ball”?! “Facemask happened after the fumble, so it doesn’t matter”?! If you don’t know the rules of the NFL, don’t comment.
    A facemask can be called on ANYBODY, as it is a safety issue, otherwise it would just be called holding (and would be legal on the person with the ball). And even if a facemask couldn’t be called on somebody without a ball (let’s just say), it would still be holding on the defense.
    The only way that uncalled facemask penalty would be “assessed on the kickoff” (game over though, as there would be no kickoff obviously) is if he reached the endzone BEFORE the facemask, which obviously didn’t happen, so it would have been 1st down + 15 yards for the Packers from the previous spot.
    NFL.com has their rulebook on there, so go check it out. Can’t believe some people actually boldly disagree with facts and rules based on taking guesses at what the rules are.

  129. scottw says: Jan 11, 2010 5:56 PM

    I wouldn’t over-generalize here. Of course, some fans are going to complain about the calls/non-calls, but most Packer fans are not making an issue of it. Turnovers and 45/51 points did us in.

  130. MIKE B says: Jan 11, 2010 6:48 PM

    Wah effen Wah!!! Get over over it and deal with it. Like the cardinals didn’t get boned on a few calls. Like the one horse collar that wasn’t. Nice season Packers, but just not nice enough eh??

  131. Viker says: Jan 11, 2010 7:01 PM

    “jc107 says:
    Then I see all the idiot posts “well you shouldn’t have given up 51 points then”… what complete BS and you know it. FACT IS, the Cardinals also gave up 45 points, and should have lost that game.”
    That logic just simply makes no sense. They gave up 45 points, they should have lost. Doesn’t matter if the other team gives up more and as for as
    “Oh, “favre is still in the playoffs”. Yeah, right, he had a first round bye, or are you unable to comprehend that.”
    He had a first round bye because he was part of a team that was the number 2 seed. Play good enough in the regular season and you get the first game off. Or are you unable to comprehend that?

  132. PurplePenisEaters says: Jan 11, 2010 8:32 PM

    Attention Viking Fans: You better pray to Odin that you a**holes win this weekend. The Packers are an up and coming team with a bright future. You, on the otherhand, have mortgaged your future to win NOW. It is Superbowl or BUST!
    Lots of pressure for a franchise and QB that have historically pissed all over themselves when on the big stage!
    One of my fondest Viking collapes was the NFC title game vs the Falcons back in 98. The next day I drove 5 hours from Green Bay to the Twin Cities just to see the look on your faces. You talked all sorts of shit that year too, only to see it end prematurely.
    Hears to hoping history repeats itself…

  133. PurplePenisEaters says: Jan 11, 2010 8:42 PM

    Vikings fans:
    I seem to remember another season just over a decade ago where you were talking all sorts of ‘stuff’ only to have the Dirty Birds shock you right out of the playoffs.
    Here’s to the Humpty Dumpty Dome collapsing and taking out the Vikes, Ragnar, the Boys, Jerry, and 70,000 inbred, horn-wearing losers!

  134. Seahawk Ref says: Jan 11, 2010 9:19 PM

    First off, let me say, “stop whining over something after-the-fact. You can’t change anything!!!!
    Second, there is/was no way any ref could of seen the face mask grab, as it took most of you video (from more than one angle) and commentor complaints showing it to you in slo-mo to even see it. Once the ball pops loose, the refs eyes focus, if even for an instant, or more on where the ball is, and who has it then, or who has it in the large man-pile on the ground (Isn’t that what you really want refs to know…whose ball is it?).
    And 3rd, it’s a question of possesion, fouls, and when EACH happens.
    Though the ball was fumbled (call it a loose ball), it’s still in possesion of the team who last had it, until it is controlled by one of the teams.
    Foul….did the defense possess the ball before the foul, during the foul, or after the foul.
    We ALL know it happened after the ball was possessed by the defense before the foul happened. We all saw Rogers kick the ball, which is a live foul as well.
    Most cases, the refs call both fouls a wash, and replay it. But since the defense got the ball clean; meaning they…. didn’t foul before they got it….they have the ball….IF…..they decline the offensive penalty…HENCE….A TOUCH DOWN.
    The only other case that could be made is….if Rogers kicking the ball was not called, but the face mask was, then since the face mask occured after the Cardinals possessed it, the touch down would be called back….still Cards ball, but back 15 yards at the spot of the face mask.
    Thats all folks, and thats the way it is.
    I’m also a football official in Washington state, and I’m still upset about the calls made in Super Bowl 40 (Steelers vs. Seahawks), but hey….can’t do nothing about that except watch your team the following year.
    p.s.
    refs do miss some calls. Realize that there are 22 players on the filed at once; along with coaches and asst. coaches yelling and screaming from the sidelines….but we do get most of them, so with that….teams need to play hard and score often to keep maybe one or 2 calls from them losing.
    Peace Out!!!!!!
    Seahawk Ref.

  135. Grandcanyon92 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:35 PM

    The Packers lost to a better team! I saw the Packers hold on at least three touchdowns. If fact, at least two of the holds were right in front of the offical. There were a number of other calls that went against the Cards to the benefit of the Packers. Both teams had penalties not called and that happens in EVERY game. To the crybaby Packer fans, get over it. YOUR TEAM LOST. If all the penalties had been called, your team still would have lost and without an overtime.

  136. willmose says: Jan 11, 2010 11:02 PM

    First, why should you have to explain to the dumb viewers about the tuck rule and why it does not apply? Only very dumb viewer or Packers fan would think that it even applies. Of course, the Packers fans were yelling tuck rule on every interception. Secondly, the play was a quick kick, as Rodgers clearly kicks the ball. Lastly, the “foul” clear occurs on the run back during the kick return. Sorry, but Packers fans are whiners from the get go. Why is it that losers always complain that this call was missed or that call was missed. Got the freak over it. The Packers are lucky they are still in the league. Wedge those cheeses where your heads are.

  137. Tompadre says: Jan 11, 2010 11:02 PM

    packrguru –
    Good thing you’re not a ref in the NFL, because you don’t understand the facemask penalty. It DOES MATTER if the facemask is yanked or not. The rule clearly states “twisted, turned or pulled”.
    Also, a DB cannot impede the route of the WR. The first Fitzgerald TD clearly showed Woodson trying to do just that. He made an attempt to get his arm on/around Fitzgerald and fell when their legs got tangled. The second time was less clear, but in one replay it appeared that Woodson was trying to do the same thing. The bottom line is Woodson plays to contact and has gotten away with his fair share of infractions, and due to his style he just isn’t going to get that call when he may have had someting to do with the contact.

  138. shaggytoodle says: Jan 12, 2010 2:24 AM

    If it was “your” team that was on the wrong side of those calls, you would feel cheated, and have every right to be. Maybe Aaron should take a road from the “Ochocinco” book, and become Aaron Manning, or Brady. I hope those officials get assigned the Minn. game so they can get a taste of it.

  139. tjstyles says: Jan 12, 2010 8:44 AM

    The NFL needs full-time referees. The botched calls are starting to get ridiculous. Every time a small penalty is miss called I get frustrated because it simply means that a big one like this is more likely. I also think that the booth should be able to review any play if there is a significant reason to believe the wrong call was made.

  140. Michael Izard says: Jan 12, 2010 9:54 PM

    I’d just like to clarify some things, as an experienced official and this controversy.
    First of all, the Referee didn’t take care of what is his utmost priority, to protect the quarterback! This is the case whether there is a sack, a fumble or whatever. Just because it was a fumble doesn’t mean that he can take his eyes off a player, (especially the quarterback), see what happens with the ball, determine if the quarterbacks arm was going forward or not, (tuck rule), who recovers, or whatever. All of these can be determined at the proper time after the safety of the player has been accounted for. No he needs to continue to officiate “regardless” of what has occurred on the play and until the play has been blown dead.
    Truthfully, the official blew the call. He should have watched the play, threw his bean bag as the fumble occurred during the sack, and continued to officiate keeping his vision on the quarterback. After the play has been completed then, and only then, should he give consideration to other things that have happened and occurred, like the fumble recovery and return by the defense.
    This guy is the worst Referee I’ve ever seen in a playoff game and he blew three “easy” calls from his vantage point as the Referee. 1. The play where Jenkins was held and then dragged into Warner where a face mask was called on him. 2. An additionally, the play prior to this one being discussed where he missed Rogers getting drilled in the head with “helmet to helmet” contact. Also, it’s debatable on the last play of the game whether the defender could have been charged with helmet to helment contact.
    Don’t mean to be so long-winded but the point is, this was an easy call…..15 yard face mask penalty, and (here’s where a lot of people get it wrong), the penalty should be enforced “15 yards from the previous spot” and an automatic first down for Green Bay since the penalty occurred “prior” to the defender recovering the fumble which mean a change of possession hadn’t occurred yet.
    In closing, this call didn’t cost Green Bay the game, but this was an easy call for the official to make and I can assure you this, it will be a long time before the NFL allows this particular refree to oversee and be in the position again.

  141. Tompadre says: Jan 13, 2010 4:47 AM

    Izard –
    Sorry guy, but I’m going with Peter King and a multitude of sources from sports outlets who said the refs job is to follow the ball. While I agree the Jenkins call was botched and the Berry helmet to helmet hit was missed, you are dead wrong on the last play! (well the possession part was correct had a flag been thrown) On the last play Adam’s helmet doesn’t even come close to hitting Rodgers’, so how could there be a helmet to helmet hit? Also, a facemask penalty didn’t occur because it didn’t fit the criteria of being twisted, turned or pulled as stated by the rules. You can grab if you don’t do the others, also stated in the rules. Since the ball was out of Rodgers’ hand he was no longer the passer so the blow to the head rule also didn’t apply.

  142. ToledoLions says: Jan 14, 2010 3:25 AM

    What about the 50 holding penalties that weren’t called on the Packers. i was watching the game with my friend and I noticed early on that the Packers were just yanking players around and I bet my friend that I could point out a hold on every Packers play. Needless to say I pointed out a hold on about 20 straight plays that most didn’t get called. And most of those plays there were multiple people holding. The Packers O-line couldn’t block anyone in that game without tugging their jerseys or wrapping their arms around them and pulling them backwards. I’ve never seen a team get so lucky with uncalled penalties. So don’t bitch about 1 or 2 missed calls.

  143. pooterqb says: Jan 14, 2010 10:33 PM

    The Packers have NO right to complain any ANY level.
    1. The face mask was AFTER the fumble/INT so it would still have been Cards ball.
    2. I was at the game and for every ONE face mask (one on Rodgers after the fumble/Int) there were literally 10 offensive holding that were NOT called.
    If any team should be upset is the Cardinals. No one picked them, No one gives them ANY respect and they never get calls “for” them. I watched GB receivers get extra yards on ball placement, penalties go uncalled and Rodgers have years in the pocket to throw because the OT had tripped the Lineman coming at him and he fell on him and HELD him down. That is HOLDING!
    Don’t bitch GB Fans. You have an awesome team but you lost. Re-watch the tape and see countless holding calls.
    p.s. Did I mention I am a Green Bay Fan? I am!

  144. pooterqb says: Jan 14, 2010 10:47 PM

    Oh, P.S. All you packer fans go re-watch last years Super Bowl. Look at Santana Holmes feet on the so called game winning catch. His right foot is literally resting on the back of his left foot. You want to be pissed about a penalty that wasn’t called. Holmes right foot (unless it was 4 inches longer than his left) never touched the grass. Go back and replay in slow motion. BLACK AND WHITE NO TOUCHDOWN. CArdinals should be a Super Bowl Winner. Keep complaining about a face mask. Lose a SB because the NFL makes more money on merchandising with a Steelers win than a Cardinals win. At least Green Bay has a franchise that gets respect. Cards have to beat the team, the fans AND the refs.

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