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Dungy: Rooney Rule not working as intended

The Washington Redskins and Seattle Seahawks have apparently complied with the letter of the Rooney Rule by interviewing a minority candidate before hiring Mike Shanahan and Pete Carroll. But they plainly haven’t complied with the spirit of the Rooney Rule.

And while the Fritz Pollard Alliance has strangely said it’s OK with how the Redskins and Seahawks handled things, former Colts coach Tony Dungy says it’s clear that the Rooney Rule isn’t working properly.

“That is not what the Rooney Rule is supposed to be, [that] you make up your mind and then interview a candidate for it anyway just to satisfy the rule,” Dungy said.

Dungy pointed out that the Redskins’ compliance with the Rooney Rule reportedly consisted of interviewing their own assistant coach, Jerry Gray, at a time when the head-coaching job wasn’t even open.

“If the Jerry Gray situation is the way it has been described as happening, I don’t think it was fair,” Dungy said. “I don’t think I would ever interview for a job if my boss was not out of the job. I don’t blame Jerry; it’s the position he was put in, if it happened that way.”

Still, Dungy thinks minority coaches like Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier can benefit from interviews even when those interviews don’t yield job offers.

“Even in cases where you don’t get the job, I know Leslie interviewed with the Dolphins and know Bill Parcells came away impressed and told other people how impressed he was, and he is a sharp guy and that helps,” Dungy said. “That goes a ways in promoting that diversity.”

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  1. coz says: Jan 11, 2010 8:58 AM

    hey dungy, let the best man win

  2. BcS_h8er says: Jan 11, 2010 8:59 AM

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  3. tomcous says: Jan 11, 2010 9:01 AM

    I am all for Diversity … but the idea in any business is to have the best people to do the jobs as intended. There is more at stake in the cases of Pete Carroll and Mike Shanahan … each was extremely time sensitive challenges (early-bird gets the worm) …
    If we look at it as though Jerry Gray got an interview just because he was Black then yes, that is B.S. !!!
    Jerry Gray has some cred … Leslie Frazier has cred …
    The Rooney Rule needs clarity and quite frankly is B.S. from a business perspective !!!
    The NFL is a business! I am a fan and hate to say that, but it is true …

  4. INVAIDUH says: Jan 11, 2010 9:01 AM

    STFU already!

  5. Allied Biscuit says: Jan 11, 2010 9:02 AM

    shut up and go coach the gopher football team, tony. just walk into Brewsters office, and have security escort him out. stop this analyst nonsense, and counseling of grown men who have the means to help themselves

  6. JIM says: Jan 11, 2010 9:02 AM

    GO AWAY TONY noone cares what you think

  7. dlmcc0909 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:03 AM

    Theres already diversity in football Dungy you moronic racist. This man is no better than Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, two other useless people. No one in football will shy away from hiring a black coach if he is qualified for the job. Its time for some of these people to let go of the hate they pretend they dont carry inside of them

  8. amtechs says: Jan 11, 2010 9:03 AM

    This is laughable. This topic point is so irrelevant.
    Who cares.

  9. SteelCurtnDee says: Jan 11, 2010 9:04 AM

    I think the rule is a joke. I think it’s all good to give minorities an equal shot at a job… but it’s stupid in the case of like Seattle.
    They know exactly who they want, so why embarrass someone like Ron Rivera in order to simple go through the motions?
    I dunno I guess I’m torn on the subject, because supposedly Mike Tomlin wasn’t seen as a head candidate for the Steelers job but was given a chance because of the Rooney Rule and he impressed the front office with his BS (which I’m now seeing is BS, about running the ball and playing defense and being a smashmouth football team)

  10. StevePhillipsLikesFat/UglyChicks says: Jan 11, 2010 9:05 AM

    Can we officially change the name from the “Rooney Rule” to the “Token Rule”?

  11. Nevisyakker says: Jan 11, 2010 9:13 AM

    The Rooney rule was a stupid concept. The implementation of it was always doomed. No organization is going to do anything but hire the one person they hope will straighten their situation out and lead them to more wins. If an NFL owner thought for a minute that woman could do that, they’d hire her in a second.
    Speaking of that, why hasn’t anyone ever questioned why women aren’t pushed for coaching- football jobs at any level?
    Hiring anyone for any position purely on the basis of pigmentation or gender, etc. is counter productive and at best racist and/or biased. Create a level playing field for hiring and let the best person have the job!

  12. whatabucnmess says: Jan 11, 2010 9:15 AM

    I believe the best man should get the job and in most cases the best man doesnt get the job because of this stupid rooney rule.
    Take that sorry coach from Tampa for example. He is not qualified and only got the the job because of his color.

  13. LuvThatDirtyWatah says: Jan 11, 2010 9:15 AM

    Why not? It worked for Mike Tomlin who was supposed to be a perfunctory interview in order to comply with Florio’s oft cited favorite piece of ‘legislation’.

  14. danfinocchio says: Jan 11, 2010 9:19 AM

    2 of the past 3 SB winning coaches are black. The team with the best record has a coach thats black. The president is black. We’re all off work next Monday because blacks gained their freedom over 40 years ago. Why don’t we promote Asian, Mexican, Austrailian or women coaches? Their aren’t enough handicap head coaches or elderly coaches either. What about little kids, they want to coach too? While we’re on the topic I want to see some white RBs and CBs with a rule that says a white RB must get 5 carries a game.

  15. mnmaverick says: Jan 11, 2010 9:20 AM

    Dungy needs to get his head out of his ass and realize that everyone is in the same boat when it comes to jobs and the game of life. It doesn’t matter what your race is. There are no preferences. The employers choose who they like the best. END OF STORY. Trying to manipulate the process to favor AFRICAN AMERICANS is what’s unfair. Don’t even call it minorities since Dungy is concerned about African Americans in particular, not Mexicans, not Asians, not Hispanics, not Indians, not Native Americans, etc.

  16. The Troof says: Jan 11, 2010 9:21 AM

    I agree with Dungy that the interviews have been laughable theatrics.
    I disagree that the Rooney Rule is not working as intended. It is actually working EXACTLY as intended. The purpose of the rule isn’t to place minorities in targeted jobs, it is to get minorities experience in interviewing for these jobs. No more, no less.
    System is broken, but the Rooney Rule is functioning as designed.

  17. FlorioWhorio says: Jan 11, 2010 9:24 AM

    Bill Cowher’s Chin says:
    January 11, 2010 9:11 AM
    I am not trying to come off as racist, but I am a little sick and tired of hearing about this. Dungy, and everyone else, is basically saying”
    1) All teams have to interview minority candidates
    2) All teams have to WANT to hire a minority coach
    You cant make anyone want to do anything. If Dan Snyder (who sucks) wants to hire Shanahan to coach HIS team, he should be allowed to hire Mike Shanahan. Where does Tony Dungy get the right to tell Dan Snyder who he is allowed to want, and who he is not allowed to want to coach his team. It isnt his fault the Rooney Rule exists.
    Plus, it doesnt work both ways. If DanSnyder decided he wanted Dungy to coach his team, do you think Tony would be upset that Snyder didnt interview a white coaching candidate….?
    ________
    I call BS on this post. This is merely a thinly veiled shot at Dungy by a pathetic Pats fan who is bitter because his team is on the way down. LMFAO!!!!!!!!

  18. tdprog1 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:24 AM

    LuvThatDirtyWatah says:
    January 11, 2010 9:15 AM
    Why not? It worked for Mike Tomlin who was supposed to be a perfunctory interview in order to comply with Florio’s oft cited favorite piece of ‘legislation’.
    .
    ==============
    Are you kidding, Tomlin! He took over Cowhers team and won a Super Bowl doing nothing more than sitting back and watching the show. I get it, Tomlin won a Super Bowl, but that does not make him a success story for the Rooney Rule. Lets see Tomlin take over a team like Detroit and win a Super Bowl. Then we can start talking about Rooney Rule success storys.

  19. Fike Mlorio says: Jan 11, 2010 9:24 AM

    This is very telling:
    “Still, Dungy thinks minority coaches like Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier can benefit from interviews even when those interviews don’t yield job offers.”
    So Tony Dungy (and PFT?) is the arbiter of who benefits under the Rooney Rule and who doesn’t?
    It benefits *some* minority candidates, but not others, thus there is a problem with the rule?
    Surely it can’t simply be that some candidates are more qualified than others, whether of different races or of the same race?
    It parallels Animal Farm… all are equal, some are just more equal than others, I guess. Good thing we’ve got thought police like Dungy and PFT.

  20. redsquare says: Jan 11, 2010 9:26 AM

    So, by Dungy’s last statement there, the rule IS working just as it should be, even in these cases. And the headline could just as easily reflect that.
    Is any head-coach opening in the NFL every truly a wide-open field? And do we really think that if the Seahawks or Redskins spoke with someone else they thought was better than their celebrity candidate–who, incidentally, would also be much cheaper to hire–that they wouldn’t change their minds and hire them?
    The Rooney rule is in place to help ensure black candidates get into the interview pools and hiring pipeline. Because it’s not a hiring quota, it will inevitably result in many black coaches getting passed over for jobs. But it’s been very successful at doing what it actually set out to do.
    I support the Rooney rule. But I don’t really care what Dungy has to say about it. When he speaks out in favor of homosexual rights, then I might see him as something besides a self-interested bigot.

  21. No-Neck says: Jan 11, 2010 9:26 AM

    Just like most Liberal policies, the Rooney Rule sounds good on the surface. But in reality, it causes more harm than good. Unlike College where you have to satisfy boosters and alumni, the NFL is all about winning. Last time I checked, the NFL is pretty much color blind and minorities can win just as well as the status quo. Do away with the rule and the number of minorities in the NFL coaching ranks will increase on it’s own course.

  22. DC_Bengals_Fan says: Jan 11, 2010 9:27 AM

    “”That is not what the Rooney Rule is supposed to be, [that] you make up your mind and then interview a candidate for it anyway just to satisfy the rule,” Dungy said. ”
    I’m sorry Tony, that’s life. Top-level hires are almost always people you know, and that’s in any business. In this case, the only reason they fired Mora was probably because they wanted Carroll (stupid, yeah, but honest). The Deadskins wanted Shanahan because he has two rings and Snyder has known him personally for a long time.
    The Rooney rule only works when a team fires the coach with no idea of who they want to hire next, and honestly, that would be really dumb. In this case, there aren’t any African American head coaches with great pedigrees looking to work, and there are a glut of Super-bowl winning coaches looking to get back in.
    The only experienced HC I know who would attract a lot of attention right now is, well, Tony Dungy. Aside from him, you’ve got guys like Romeo Crennell, Art Shell, and Dennis Green who flamed out of their last jobs and would need to go be assistants again to get another HC shot. At the assistant level, Leslie Frazier may well get a shot this year, Hue Jackson should in a year or two. And I’m sure there are others I’m not thinking of now.
    There are at least 4 black head coaches I can think of (out of 32), at least 3 of whom were hired with no head coaching experience whatsoever. That tells me that black coaches are definitely getting a fair shot.

  23. Cougar Bait says: Jan 11, 2010 9:29 AM

    As a Colts fan, I have the utmost respect for what Dungy did as a coach…but when did he become the protector of the Rooney Rule? Getting a bit played and outrageous. The NFL actually has a pretty good percentage of minority head coaches. If he really wants to make a difference, move to college and preach the gospel of the Rooney Rule where it’s a real problem (D-I football, refuse to call it FCS).
    Maybe South Park can make an episode where NFL owners can ‘aplogize’ to Dungy like Randy did to Jesse Jackson.

  24. GoBrowns19 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:29 AM

    There is no way to enforce the Rooney Rule as Dungy wants it. Owners want who they want, and we’re all sorry, as white people, that most coaching candidates are white. And we apologize more that the best qualified coaches right now are white. If a black man can coach, you better believe he’ll get a job. Just stop with all this nonsense.

  25. mikeoxlong says: Jan 11, 2010 9:32 AM

    The rooney rule, along with affirmative action is one of the reasons america can’t compete in a world market. The practice of rewarding an unqualified/underqualified individual based soley on the melanin content of their skin is absurd.
    Political correctness and BS like affirmative action are contributing to our ultimate demise. It perpetuates a self entitled, lazy mindset.
    Why study for a test, when you know they have to give the job to a brown skin person ?
    Why have a great work ethic, when you know they have to give the job to a brown skin person ?
    Ridiculous!

  26. Scott22 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:34 AM

    Mike Tomlin was not hired as a result of the Rooney Rule. Here is a quote from Dan Rooney:
    “Mike Tomlin was not part of the Rooney Rule,” Rooney said today. “We had already interviewed Ron Rivera (who is Latino), and so that fulfilled the obligation. We went on, had heard about Mike, called him in and talked to him. He was very impressive. We got him back and talked to him on the phone often and he just showed that he was going to be a terrific coach, which I think he is coming to be. But he was not part of the Rooney Rule.”
    The Steelers hired the best man in their opinion for the job, not as a result of their own assinine rule.

  27. Seeryer says: Jan 11, 2010 9:36 AM

    The Rooney rule is a good rule. The bottom line is what may impress and motivate a 65 year old rich white guy may not be the same as what motivates professional football players. Dan Snyder has never hired a head coach that has been succesful under him. Pete Carroll sucked at NY and NE, why will it be any different in SEA? Shanahan hasn’t won a thing in over a decade. Mike Tomlin and Tony Dungy have as many rings as Shanahan and Carroll and they won their’s within the last 5 years. Funny how no one bitches about the Rooney rule unless a black head coach’s team is struggling. No one ever says, “we should have hired a black guy” when CLE starts 1-11 or STL goes 2-14 or when DET goes 3-13. But Tampa goes 3-13 and its all, “damn Rooney rule”. You are racist and everyone can see it except you. Congrats.

  28. Philtration says: Jan 11, 2010 9:37 AM

    Won’t someone please take Lovie Smith from us so you can fill your team’s quota?
    I mean… he must be a great coach or else he would have been fired just like the white coaches that are being shown the door around the league.
    This is the same turd that supported Michael Vick’s sick ass while bashing Jay Cutler who has never had any off the field issues or legal troubles.
    You are a racist Tony and you are not fooling anyone.

  29. KingJoe! says: Jan 11, 2010 9:37 AM

    Work as intended??? Was this suppose to force teams to hire black coaches? That intent seems to border on being discriminatory.
    Provide me the stats that says there has not been an increase in the number of minority head coaches in the league since its inception. Dungy manipulated the system in naming caldwell his successor(yes yes, he didnt name him Polian did, blah blah blah) Did they give any OTHER minority candidate a chance, not to mention pulling a “Running Back” rule on any potential white candidate.

  30. raybin says: Jan 11, 2010 9:38 AM

    Dungy is right that it’s not working as intended… but it inevitably was going to start working like it is now
    I’m as big a bleeding heart liberal as you’ll find, but it’s time for the Rooney Rule to be put to bed. At one time it was needed, but I think after the conspicuous success of black head coaches (two Super Bowl winners and another Super Bowl appearance in the last 5 years), the owners don’t need the prod anymore. They’ll hire the best person.
    The Rooney Rule may have been what gave men like Dungy, Tomlin and Lovie Smith their chance, but their very success shows it’s accomplished its purpose and it’s time to move on. Owners know now that a black coach can and will be just as successful as a white one.
    Leslie Frazier will continue to be interviewed for head coaching positions and will land one within the next year not because he’s black but because he’s eminently qualified and the first owner or GM that wants a defensive minded HC will hire him. Bank it.

  31. GMcD126 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:38 AM

    “If we look at it as though Jerry Gray got an interview just because he was Black then yes, that is B.S. !!!”
    Thats what the Rooney rule is… BS

  32. Cincyboy says: Jan 11, 2010 9:38 AM

    You can’t make a team hire somebody it doesn’t want. Sheesh….may the most qualified win.
    This isn’t a civil service position Tony, no extra points for various stupid reasons….

  33. copes cabana says: Jan 11, 2010 9:39 AM

    Intent should not matter. If you interview the minority candidate, sham or not, it should count. The rule is working for the reason Tony gives. It gets the guys names out, and even if they don’t get the job, they will be remembered if they interviewed well.

  34. kenyatta says: Jan 11, 2010 9:43 AM

    ITs working in the sense that minority coaches are getting interviewed but there not getting the jobs,thats all the rule stated,………………and most of the coaches in the NFL have been caucasion and most of them have been failures and they continue to get jobs…………………..once minorities start owning teams then they can hire who they feel more comfy with just like the rest of corporate america.The coach in Tampa won more games than the coach in Detroit i guess he got the job because of his color too

  35. mixman34 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:44 AM

    It doesn’t work cause its a ridiculous rule. Who cares, they got the guys they wanted. Should they be forced to interview ANYONE when they already know who they want? Be him white/black/ red/polka dotted. Stupid

  36. Duan says: Jan 11, 2010 9:47 AM

    Looking at the moronic comments up here, lays down the foundation of the Rooney Rule.
    I can understand Mike Shanahan’s hiring, he was a winning coach, but Pete Carroll – nothing has changed on the pro level – go ask the Ol’ Ball Coach about that!
    We are talking about interviews! We are not talking about forcing a organization to hire someone that is a minority, we are talking about giving someone a fair and honest interview.
    Yes, you should hire whomever you want – but if you know you want to hire someone to replace your current employee – then wouldn’t the optimum thing to do, “Interview” a broad and wide selection of candidates to see who gives us the best chance at success?
    you can have target points for your new hire such as win/loss record, actual coaching experience, do you want your coach to have any previous playing time, how does he relate to players, what kind of discipline would you implement into the organization, etc. etc.
    Those are questions you can ask of a HC or a Coordinator, they will more than likely have different back grounds, but who is to say one does not have a better vision or plan than the other. You can’t find these things out if you don’t interview.
    By targeting one coach, you really are shooting yourself in the foot regardless, whether he is black or white? That is poor hirng practices period! The Steelers are a model of success, you know why – is because they dig into every nook and cranny of morsel of information on any hire they make!
    So by targeting one person, you are basicaaly hoping you hit the power ball, with that one hire! That is putting all your eggs in one basic. That’s not only practical for the NFL, but that is commone freakin’ sense – you don’t do that!

  37. Diggs says: Jan 11, 2010 9:52 AM

    Tony Dungy sounds like Kermit the Frog.

  38. homercles82 says: Jan 11, 2010 9:52 AM

    I have a question. What happens when a majority of coaches are black? Do we create a new rule that states that NFL teams MUST interview a white person for the job before hiring a black person?
    I will never understand not hiring someone for their merits because of the color of their skin. This “rule” is racist in itself.

  39. Bazooka Joe says: Jan 11, 2010 9:54 AM

    The weekly race baiting by this website. I think I’ll just exclusively get my news from nationalfootballpost from here on out.

  40. kenyatta says: Jan 11, 2010 9:55 AM

    Once again people think theres a equal playing field when it comes to getting a job,some of yall clowns really live on planet dumb,once again most of the coaches in the nfl havent won nothing and there primarily white.Being qualified is only part of it,MOST WHITE PEOPLE IN POWER FEEL MORE COMFY HIRING THERE OWN,its just how it is in America , Rams coach sucks ,Detroit coach sucks,Buffalo coach sucks,Redskins coach sucks Cable sucks , these guys will stay employed in some capacity not because there good coaches but because they know people who feel comftorable working with them

  41. kenyatta says: Jan 11, 2010 9:55 AM

    Once again people think theres a equal playing field when it comes to getting a job,some of yall clowns really live on planet dumb,once again most of the coaches in the nfl havent won nothing and there primarily white.Being qualified is only part of it,MOST WHITE PEOPLE IN POWER FEEL MORE COMFY HIRING THERE OWN,its just how it is in America , Rams coach sucks ,Detroit coach sucks,Buffalo coach sucks,Redskins coach sucks Cable sucks , these guys will stay employed in some capacity not because there good coaches but because they know people who feel comftorable working with them

  42. Cornerdenizen says: Jan 11, 2010 9:56 AM

    I understand why some white folks oppose the Rooney Rule. Like anything that aggressively promotes diversity, its well-intentioned, but horrendously flawed.
    But truth is, there are white min, in corporate America and in the front office, who just don’t feel that comfortable around anyone who isn’t just like they are. It works on a subconscious level. You gravitate towards people who make you feel comfortable. As a result, white men surround themselves with other white folks.
    I’m going out on a limb here and assuming that none of the wonderfully articulate, educated, open-minded guys who have commented on this have any black friends. You only hang out with white guys because you’re comfortable with them.
    The most qualified candidate thing is wholly subjective. The owner and GM determine who is the most qualified guy to coach the team. The Dolphins thought Cam Cameron was most qualified, as did the Lions with Rod Marinelli, and the Rams with Scott Linehan. As it turns out, none of them were qualified—even though each man came fully experienced and endorsed by other football people.
    Bill Parcells say it best when he says that you don’t know if a guy is ready to coach a team. You “hope he’s ready.” It’s not an exact science. And like I said, it’s subjective. So why not give a black guy a chance?

  43. if yer not first... says: Jan 11, 2010 9:58 AM

    And how many coaches did Indy interview after Dungy retired again?
    usta love Dungy – maybe because he didn’t talk so much.

  44. TFBuckFutter says: Jan 11, 2010 9:59 AM

    The funny thing is….if Dungy were on the market, he’d be snapped up instantly without any other contenders considered.
    It’s not like teams are snapping up marginal coaching candidates….if you have the option of hiring Bill Parcells or Mike Shanahan….why waste time interviewing Ray Rhodes?
    And again, I will point to, as Dungy likes to do, Mike Tomlin. That worked out ok for the Steelers so far, but the fact remains, he was NOT the most qualified candidate for the job. If they had hired a white coach with limited experience as a coordinator over more qualified black coaches, there would be an uproar.
    It’s a stupid system. Teams are going to do what gives them the best chance to win. And again, the black head coaching population isn’t that out of whack when you consider the American population as a whole. It’s only out of whack when you consider the racial makeup of the NFL…..which is stupid to do, since most head coaches don’t come from the pool of former NFL players because NFL players are, by and large, dumber than shit.

  45. kenyatta says: Jan 11, 2010 10:03 AM

    shanahan is a good hire,pete carroll i dont think thats going to work out for him ,not right away anyway.College coaches have a history of stinking it up,go ask,the ALA coach and lou holtz ,Butch Davis,Spurrier and so on

  46. kenyatta says: Jan 11, 2010 10:05 AM

    INDYS COACH IS 14 and 2 REGARDLESS GREAT HIRE

  47. Michael LaRocca says: Jan 11, 2010 10:06 AM

    Pete Carroll, best qualified candidate. What, Ray Handley was busy?

  48. Shinywalrus says: Jan 11, 2010 10:09 AM

    What is this, the thought police? You can’t “make up your mind” until you’ve complied with the Rooney Rule? If people are going to make up their minds, they’re going to make up their minds, and it happens all the time. If the “perfect candidate” comes along for you, the personalities mesh and you feel a great fit, whether or not Adam Schefter starts reporting a contract negotiation, you’ve probably “made up your mind.”
    The rule itself is a sham because it forces people into technical compliance and patronizes the existing minority coaches.
    Meanwhile, no one would say anything if they conducted an interview before Schefter goes to the press with details that exist in probably EVERY coach or GM-hiring situation at this stage.

  49. chunky soupy sales says: Jan 11, 2010 10:09 AM

    “So by targeting one person, you are basicaaly hoping you hit the power ball, with that one hire! That is putting all your eggs in one basic. That’s not only practical for the NFL, but that is commone freakin’ sense – you don’t do that!”
    So why should the NFL be in business of keeping owners from shooting themselves in the foot? ( The Plaxico rule?)
    The owners want to make money, plain and simple. You can make MORE money by winning. an owner is going to hire the guy HE thinks will best win him games and thus make him money.
    Now, that doesn’t mean it will BE the guy who does that, but no one is going to hire someone if he believes he can’t do the job.
    Sometimes we look at the owners choice and go ” What in the hell is he thinking??!!”
    But in that owners mind, he still thinks he is making the best choice for his team, and no amount of rules is going to change that. You cant legislate beliefs. Not yet, anyway.

  50. kenyatta says: Jan 11, 2010 10:10 AM

    When minorities start buying football teams ,then we wont have these hiring issues,until then be happy being assistants ,and working in the mail room,and on the FOOTBALL field

  51. kenyatta says: Jan 11, 2010 10:11 AM

    When minorities start buying football teams ,then we wont have these hiring issues,until then be happy being assistants ,and working in the mail room,and on the FOOTBALL field

  52. eagle_fan34 says: Jan 11, 2010 10:11 AM

    Oh, it’s ok to hand pick Caldwell in Indy without any other candidtes interviewing? Let’s take this both ways, if interviews must happen, they must happen for everyone.

  53. spidey says: Jan 11, 2010 10:14 AM

    Mike, you other sports writers that make this argument is truly baffling and senseless. No one can judge another man’s true thoughts and motives except for the man himself. All of you are basically arguing that the Redskins and Seahawks just didn’t make it “CONVINCING” enough that they’re motive was true. Because if they really fooled you, there’d be no problem, right? Get off your high horse and report something next time! Geez, overrighteous outrage is not journalism.
    Personally I believe the rooney rule is unenforceable for “intent” but regardless the rule provides the opportunity for exposure and visibility to minorities to the process that otherwise would not have.

  54. scomibord says: Jan 11, 2010 10:16 AM

    If I am the owner of a multi-million dollar(some may even be multi-billion) organization, No-one should be able to tell me that I have to interview an inferior candidate for a position, when I already know who I want to hire. Why make me waste my time and theirs. Jobs are awarded for performance not skin color.

  55. ch19079 says: Jan 11, 2010 10:20 AM

    What did they expect would happen? Did they think that this one rule would change an owners mind about who to hire?
    They will hire the guy they think is the best for the job, period. Forcing them to speek to a minority canidate, after they have decided on another guy, is insulting to everyone involved.
    What is the point for that minority canidate? They get to practice interviewing for a job they know is already filled…

  56. jc20 says: Jan 11, 2010 10:22 AM

    I am usually content to just quickly pass by the drivel, from Florio and the bloggers, that is called opinion on this site. However, the crap today goes over the top. The Rooney rule was put in place at a time when Black coaches were not even given the respect of a “token” interview. Has the rule become antiquated..maybe. But the facts are, very qualified black coaches with impressive plans and strategies continue to be bypassed for retreads or “big” names. The “interview” provides the candidate black or white with a realistic idea of what a perspective employer is looking for. It does not guarantee a hiring; but it brings the two sides together. From the owner or GM perspective….If the “big” name coach does not work maybe I’ll bring in the “up and comer” next time.
    I really hope some of you posters just “did not get any” over the weekend instead of being plain racist and stupid.
    Affirmative action, does not provide a job for an un-qualified candidate. It provides an opportunity for a job, due to institutionalized bigotry. however the candidate must meet the qualifications for the job. I know…I’m sure you have seen otherwise. But as sure as I’m black I SEE plenty of white candidates who are less than qualified and got the job because they are white.
    The only reason Lovie smith was not fired is because the Bears would be on the line for a ton of money. And Rahim Morris got the job based on his interview, his body of work, his enthusiasm and the rapport he has with the players. He just happens to be black. for every Rahim Morris you’ll find a Josh McDaniel.

  57. cuervo23 says: Jan 11, 2010 10:26 AM

    Racism is alive and well. Just read some of these posts. Stick with the Rooney rule.
    PS: Pete Carroll, best man for the job? Really?

  58. Perkins says: Jan 11, 2010 10:27 AM

    I don’t think most of you understand the intent of the Rule. This rule is in place to give Black coaches a opportunity to be interviewed. Not to be given a job they are not qualified for because they are Black. But given the opportunity to interview. In past years, most Owners being more familiar and comfortable with the abilities of white coaches were not even giving a black coach a interview. And without even interviewing these Black coaches, they were not being considered as a Head Coach candidate. The spirit of the rule as Tony Dungy implies, in the case of Seattle, The guy had Pete Carrol in mind from the word GO! And that is his right, but at least give a Black coach an interview prior to making you decision public knowledge.

  59. kenyatta says: Jan 11, 2010 10:30 AM

    Yep if you own the team then you should hire who ever you want ,which is who you would feel more comfy with,just because a guy smiles and gives a great interview doesnt mean he knows what hes doing,BUT YOUR RIGHT IF ITS MINE I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HIRE AS I CHOOSE

  60. Duan says: Jan 11, 2010 10:36 AM

    @ chunky soupy sales – in response to your comment, “The owners want to make money, plain and simple. You can make MORE money by winning. an owner is going to hire the guy HE thinks will best win him games and thus make him money.”
    Okay – let me better explain myself, I have been a manager and currently I work in HR for a civil government agency, I have seen too many agencies target a candidate. 9 out of 10, you get burnt by doing that.
    Because, you are aceepting all of that persons tangibles and intagibles. You don’t know how this person is going to fit in the organization, etc, etc, etc.
    There is no way I am intervieiwng or targeting one person. Look at the Redskins, they always shoot after that one head coach!? Look at the Browns, they always shoot after that one head coach! It’s lazy, impractical and stupid!
    I’m to a point right now, I will go out on a limb – I don’t care if the guy is black or white, but to target one guy – is just impractical and poor business practices.
    Right now Cleveland is praying Holmgren is the answer, because let’s be honest – he was the one guy they targeted, so Lerner just placed all his eggs in the Holmgren basket. Snyder just placed all his eggs in the Shanahan/Allen basket.
    Only time will tell whether these were good hires and in all honesty – the only team that is probably going to turn up smelling like roses out of all this mess, is the Bills – because now they have to really put in some work to find a coach and interview a pool of candidates that can come in help them win!
    Watch what I tell you guys!

  61. kenyatta says: Jan 11, 2010 10:38 AM

    White ex cons get hired before minorities with no criminal records,f the job be the boss,then you wont have these issues about getting a job or there discriminating against you

  62. chunky soupy sales says: Jan 11, 2010 10:49 AM

    “When minorities start buying football teams ,then we wont have these hiring issues,until then be happy being assistants ,and working in the mail room,and on the FOOTBALL field”
    So basically you are saying when minorities own teams, minorities won’t have a problem getting jobs because all they will hire is minorities?
    Smooth.

  63. lurch's nyquil says: Jan 11, 2010 10:50 AM

    Cuervo
    Racism is alive and well? Seriously?!
    It is people like you that say things like that, that people get angry at.
    Ok so an owner of a NFL team SHOULD HAVE to interview a minority to coach HIS football team. This is a bogus rule that makes no sense at all.
    The best man should have the job, black or white and there should not be a rule in place to make sure blacks get ANOTHER handout. This is ridiculous.

  64. olskool711 says: Jan 11, 2010 10:52 AM

    In the interest of “fairness” Tony, all teams should have to draft white players in proportion to population numbers in our society, in order to give them a “fair” chance of making an NFL team.
    To hell with what the Owner of the team, the coach, and the fans want. This is the new America.
    Freedom? Freedom? Are you kidding me? Freedom?
    Solving racism through racism. Must be an East Coast, college professor thing.

  65. stadanko says: Jan 11, 2010 10:55 AM

    If Leslie Frazier truly is the better candidate and would have made Seattle a winner then the Seahawks will ultimately be the ones paying for it. We don’t need a rule to police this.

  66. jswang3 says: Jan 11, 2010 11:01 AM

    I know most of you that are telling Tony to go away think the best man always gets the job and you probably think the police are always right also. You’ll are a buch of idiots until it happens to you. Yes, you think there isn’t racism in the world but you so mistaken. It’s just not as blatant anymore and this rule is suppose to make the playing field a little fairer. Instead, you still have the good ole boy network when it comes to hiring.
    Tony has a point obvioulsy the rule isn’t being followed correctly when you interview someone before the coach is already fired. Washington has been talking about hiring Shannahan since the 5th game of the season.

  67. chunky soupy sales says: Jan 11, 2010 11:06 AM

    @ Duan
    I understand your points that it is impractical and maybe short sighted, but it still isn’t going to change an owners mind when he sets his sights on a guy. My point is if the owner is ONLY doing the minority interview to comply with the rules, it’s not going to stop him from hiring the guy he has his sights on.If anything it probably annoys him to ” have” to interview a guy he doesn’t want.
    BTW, I have been on the wrong end of the affirmative action deal although it turned out my former employer got the wrong end of it.
    In taking written tests for competency and knowledge of a job I was on and up for supervisor of, of course my employer had to also interview a minority. Well, I aced every part of the test scored 100% but the job went to a black guy who scored 30 because the company basically needed to fill a quota. Turns out I was the token interview. But oh well, I found something better and moved on .My former employer was stuck with an inferior employee.
    However, that lesson will stay with me as an eternal joke about forced interviews, tests and quota’s. And yes, I am well aware many qualified minorities have been passed over, too. But the lesson remains, hire the best man, not the quota.
    And as the job seeker, do as I did, smile graciously and look for better employment while the guy that didn’t hire/promote you reaps his just reward.

  68. slutnuts says: Jan 11, 2010 11:12 AM

    i wanted to bitch about caldwell’s elevation prior to dungy leaving, but then i remembered jim mora’s similar promotion in seattle last year. did seattle face any sanctions because of that hire? if so then we can compare caldwell’s promotion. if seattle didn’t get in any rooney rule trouble then dont use the indy hire as support for bashing dungy here.

  69. slipkid says: Jan 11, 2010 11:13 AM

    if diversity is so important, lets have more non-black players. there are a lot of qualified non-black players.
    it isnt about diversity per se, it is about power for the rooneyists.
    but they dont make the best coaches. indy didnt do well the last 2 games because the coach did stupid things. dungy couldnt win with the team he built, but he (and tomlin) could win with the team peyton runs (and the chin built).
    if you want to see how a black-owned operation would run, see zimbabwe or south africa. or maybe just the bears.
    besides, the rooney rule is an affirmative action holdover. scotus declared AA unconstitutional.
    junk it. the rooneyists dont own teams but want to control their actions as if they do and penalize thoes who they do not approve of.
    this is bs communism. just like where the gummint is heading at breakneck speed.

  70. mikeoxlong says: Jan 11, 2010 11:15 AM

    Brown skin people in America today, speak of equality, when in reality what they want is special treatment.
    The double standard is in full effect , Why bother to excell , when you have that magic race card in your pocket ready to be pulled when something doesn’t go your way.
    Poor work ethic,bad attitude, speak illiterately (ebonically), it doesn’t matter …because it’s not your fault…you have a race card !

  71. if yer not first... says: Jan 11, 2010 11:32 AM

    Washington has been talking about hiring Shannahan since the 5th game of the season.
    Exactly – and the reason Mora got canned is BECAUSE Carrol was interested in the job – so what’s your point? To waste a bunch of peoples time and loads of money for appearances sake?

  72. golongboyee says: Jan 11, 2010 12:07 PM

    The Rooney Rule is Affirmative Action (aka blatant racism) of the highest order created by a “business” that is so clueless that they sometimes run themselves LIKE the govt.
    Anyone that thinks a rule such as this is going to do anything at all needs to wake up………..
    Another example of individuals wanting something handed to them on a silver platter to make up for some wrong that was done years ago…..meanwhile, much more qualified people sit on the sidelines and don’t get a shot……….how is this a good thing????

  73. prophet of the light says: Jan 11, 2010 12:07 PM

    They should make it more obvious and interview ‘Token’ from South Park.
    The rule is a joke, the reason why the NFL has the rule is simply major threats from activist lawyers, and that is sad.
    There are 4 NFL head coaches that are black (Lovie Smith, Raheem Morris, Mike Tomlin, and Mike Singletary). That’s roughly 13%, which according to the last census is about the black american population. I can’t verify this, but I bet large portions of staffs are staffed by blacks (due to the large disparity in black players versus white players in the NFL).
    Why are Hispanics not complaining about not being represented at all???

  74. golongboyee says: Jan 11, 2010 12:10 PM

    gee, there are too many white punters in the league and too many black receivers…….we need to fix this, this is wrong.
    While we are at it…….we need more black hockey players and more white basketball players……..let’s work on this……….LOL!

  75. jonni riviera says: Jan 11, 2010 12:33 PM

    2010 and the ” BAND PLAYED ON”. It’s the same old song (another music analogy) to these guys and by interviewing Frazer and Gray they keep the banter and negativity to a minimum. In the end, its their team and they feel that they can hire whoever the hell they want to.

  76. RZaw says: Jan 11, 2010 12:53 PM

    What if they don’t interview a white guy at all!?!?!? Can we get a ruling against that? Maybe we change it to, “You must interview a black, white, Hispanic, Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Persian and a women” before hiring a head coach? Yup!
    This is one of the worst rules in sports today! Sure, maybe it was needed to get something started years ago. Mr Dungy and any other sensitive non white people today need to get over themselves and reallize this certainly is not about race these days. It will balance itself out over time. If that means more black coach’s than white coach’s so be it! I guarantee white people won’t be crying for some sort of rule that forces to interview them when or if there eventually are more black coach’s than white. And I’d bet my left leg Mr. Dungy and company sure as hell wouldn’t be standing up for them in that case.
    Bottom line…. White, black, purple, brown, yellow, pink, magenta, blue, green… The job should go to the best man! As a 30 year old man (race not needed here) I believe most men my age would agree (race not needed there either)
    Rooney rule OUT

  77. dcfan-1212450 says: Jan 11, 2010 1:24 PM

    If the NCAA can have only 3 black head football coaches out of all those schools (over 300 i think) and the NFL to have 6 out of 32 teams with a lot of coordinators and position coaches now black makes Dungy a moron and this rule a joke. Pay attention to the dynamics of football before you compare the current NFL to the NFL of the 60′s…

  78. LightningLucci says: Jan 11, 2010 1:51 PM

    It seems to me that the Rooney rule wasn’t really violated here because no WHITE candidates were really interviewed, either.
    Both the teams knew who they wanted to hire, and from that point, all that was left were the negotiations on how much power and play Shanny and Carroll would get.
    Semantics, for sure, but I hope you see the difference. The idea of the Rooney Rule was to get more teams to consider hiring minorities. Well, these teams were already past the point of considering who they wanted to hire, and didn’t need to do any interviews to figure that first half out.

  79. prophet of the light says: Jan 11, 2010 1:56 PM

    There are 120 division 1 schools, of which 3 are coached by black head coaches. I think it’s more than 3, but you get the point. No where near “over 300″

  80. bringbacktheflex says: Jan 11, 2010 2:07 PM

    The rooney rule is a joke. It always will be. Either the best man is selected or it is a racist rule.
    HAVING to interview a Negro coach who might not be the best guy available is as stupid as NSA screening little old ladies with nail clippers to avoid profiling Muslim men with explosive underwear.
    Valuing feelings over performance, or feelings over security is one of the many things that is wrong with out world today.

  81. bringbacktheflex says: Jan 11, 2010 2:12 PM

    Can anyone tell me why Marvin Lewis still has a HC job? Underperforming forever. The team has been out of control forever. People b*itched about Switzer running team with criminal element but Lewis set records for rap sheets AND he never won a SB.
    Oh, and I know it’s important to note, he’s Negro. Apparently it’s important to the Rooney’s and to Dungy.
    It’s not important to me.

  82. GoBears84 says: Jan 11, 2010 2:16 PM

    So basically Dungy, nobody is ever able to prove whether or not a team has already made its mind up, then interviewing to simply satisfy the rule. There will be many ASSUMPTIONS, but never proof….so therefore, live with it or get rid of the rule, it is what it is…. Owners and G.M.s are going to do what they want anyways, its just a rather large loophole re-exposed. There’s no way around it or there isn’t a way to fix it…..deal with it the way it is, or get rid of the rule, thats the only 2 choices. What are they going to do, make you interview more minority’s ?? Seatle doesn’t care if they have to interview 6 minority’s, they already had their minds set on carrol.

  83. slutnuts says: Jan 11, 2010 2:39 PM

    hire all the black and hispanic coaches you want, just dont give those purple and green people a chance, you cant trust them. they are the root of all evil, and they smell.

  84. spongebrad says: Jan 11, 2010 2:46 PM

    My message to Tony Dungy:
    It is only natural to resent someone who is given a privilege that is not available to everyone- the teacher’s pet.
    Rather than make all men equal, the federal govt., through quotas and affirmative action, has raised minorities past the point of equality to a privileged status. When black colleges, black student organizations, and other forms of racism are not only allowed but encouraged, while corresponding instituions by whites would be illegal, it is only natural to expect racial tensions to increase. It is unreasonable to call black racism unity, while white unity is called racism!

  85. spongebrad says: Jan 11, 2010 2:57 PM

    My message to Tony Dungy and the NFL:
    It is only natural to resent someone who is given a privilege that is not available to everyone – the teacher’s pet.
    Rather than make all men equal, the federal government, through quotas and affirmative action, has raised minorities past the point of equality to a privileged status. When black colleges, black student organizations and other forms of racism are not only allowed but encouraged, while corresponding institutions by whites would be illegal, it is only natural to expect racial tensions to increase. It is unreasonable to call black racism unity, while white unity is called racism.
    How about they hire the right man for the job regardless of his skin color? Call me crazy!

  86. Cornerdenizen says: Jan 11, 2010 3:27 PM

    Wow. Is this the true reflection of the average American white male sports fan? God, I hope not.
    So much bitterness, and ignorance. Relax, white men, youre still in charge. Youre still running all the major companies and universities. Everything will be fine. Yeah, I know, you have large numbers of Hispanics invading “your” country. And you have black folks feeling empowered because of the president.
    But take heart. See, these black folks and Hispanics, and the host of “others,” that you think are out to get you and take what is rightfully yours…well, they aren’t really. They’re just trying to make a living.
    But you still need backup, and peace of mind, right? Well, haven’t you noticed that whenever white folks get into a panic about these things, there’s always some shuckin and jivin Uncle Tom who’s there to make you feel better about yourself?
    Michael Steele? Sure. But there are thousands with even less pride than Mr. Steele. There are thousands who will gladly take your side in any argument about diversity. They’ll bow down and tell you what you want to hear: They’ll tell you that the average American white man is God, Himself and that he has a Divine right to rule all things.
    So, take heart. Be of good cheer sports fans. Your world is safe.

  87. chunky soupy sales says: Jan 11, 2010 3:57 PM

    “I’m going out on a limb here and assuming that none of the wonderfully articulate, educated, open-minded guys who have commented on this have any black friends. You only hang out with white guys because you’re comfortable with them. ”
    You would be ridiculously wrong in my case. Though to be honest they are not my ” black friends”. They are just my ” friends”.

  88. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Jan 11, 2010 4:05 PM

    “Even in cases where you don’t get the job, I know Leslie interviewed with the Dolphins and know Bill Parcells came away impressed and told other people how impressed he was, and he is a sharp guy and that helps,” Dungy said. “That goes a ways in promoting that diversity.”
    _________________________________
    But that was Bill Parcells speaking…let’s face it Tony, there is only one Bill Parcells.
    If Bill Parcells told this to 90% of the fans out there that he saw walking in the dog park:
    Parcells – “Hey guy you see that dog turd over there?”
    Fan – “Yeah Big Tuna, I see it”
    Parcells – “Well that’s actually what we call in the big leagues a turd nugget…now pick that thing up boy, polish it down real good and put it away…it’s gonna be worth something one day”
    Fan – Reaches down and puts dog turd gently in pocket…”Thanks Big Tuna”

  89. Florida727 says: Jan 11, 2010 4:29 PM

    What’s the Rule for more WHITE running backs? Or more WHITE wideouts? Or more WHITE defensive backs? Can we include the NBA and have a rule for more WHITE players per team? The answer to all of these is exactly the same as the idiotic rule about more BLACK coaches… NO! The BEST QUALIFIED should get the job, and more often than not, DOES get the job. I’m starting a new company. Someone comes to me insisting on me hiring a “minority”, I guess my wife will go back to the working world. She just doesn’t know it yet…

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