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Carroll's staff will be heavy on college coaches

In a development that is prompting some to suggest that the Pete Carroll regime in Seattle will be “Butch Davis all over again,” we’re told that Carroll is expected to hire New Mexico State coach DeWayne Walker to run the Seahawks’ defense.

Multiple outlets identified Walker as the lead candidate for the job after Carroll was identified as the lead candidate for the job he now has.

It’ll be interesting to see whether the approach will be successful.  At the college level, recruiting is the key.  With superior athletes, schemes don’t matter as much.  At the NFL level, where the talent is relatively equal, coaching takes on a much greater degree of importance.

Helping Carroll is the fact that he’ll be working in a watered-down division.  Still, come September, there’s a chance Carroll will get a splash of cold water in his face when he realizes that there’s a fundamental difference between the San Francisco 49ers and the Fresno State Bulldogs.

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  1. bofarr says: Jan 12, 2010 12:28 PM

    That whole college staff thing didn’t work out for Jimmy Johnson either.

  2. EnforcerSU says: Jan 12, 2010 12:31 PM

    This smells bad for Seattle fans…College coaches struggle in the NFL…so lets build a whole staff of them to try to rebuild a team void of talent at almost every key position…
    oy.

  3. hrudey says: Jan 12, 2010 12:34 PM

    The biggest difference: Fresno State has a quarterback?

  4. The Coop says: Jan 12, 2010 12:35 PM

    Being compared to Butch Davis (at least, as a pro coach) is about the worst thing I can imagine.
    Good luck with that, Seattle!

  5. Click Here To Continue Reading... says: Jan 12, 2010 12:36 PM

    I see another fail for Carroll…

  6. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Jan 12, 2010 12:37 PM

    Mike Florio said:
    “It’ll be interesting to see whether the approach will be successful.”
    ___________________________________
    The only way this approach will be successful is if they have a better feel for the college players they had on their teams and coached against. And of course provided Carrol has the ability to pull the draft trigger here.
    This is called the Jimmy Johnson theory. Where Johnson accumulated draft picks and used the information he was privy to as a college coach to acquire great talent for the Dallas roster. Johnson’s crew combined with the Dallas scouts to consistently year after year produce great drafts.
    The problem here is that Pete Carrol is not Jimmy Johnson…

  7. swede700 says: Jan 12, 2010 12:38 PM

    You should point out that the “college” coaches mentioned thus far all have experience coaching in the NFL…DeWayne Walker included.

  8. FalconDevil says: Jan 12, 2010 12:46 PM

    Jeez I’m not a Carrol or SEA fan but the way you sports “journalists” feed off of negativity, it’s pathetic. Why do people love and root to see people fail more than they enjoy seeing someone succeed?

  9. Howie Handles says: Jan 12, 2010 12:48 PM

    ‘The only way this approach will be successful is if they have a better feel for the college players they had on their teams and coached against. And of course provided Carrol has the ability to pull the draft trigger here.
    This is called the Jimmy Johnson theory. Where Johnson accumulated draft picks and used the information he was privy to as a college coach to acquire great talent for the Dallas roster. Johnson’s crew combined with the Dallas scouts to consistently year after year produce great drafts.
    The problem here is that Pete Carrol is not Jimmy Johnson…”
    ———
    How did Jimmy do in Miami?
    Plus he inherited the most important part of a football team, the QB.

  10. dogma1 says: Jan 12, 2010 12:51 PM

    This won’t end well for Seattle. They need a QB, LT, RB, WR, CB, the most important positions. I think Carroll is a great coach but this is a big job to take on.

  11. CowboysForever says: Jan 12, 2010 12:53 PM

    Seahawks are screwed…

  12. darkchild says: Jan 12, 2010 12:56 PM

    This sucks for Seahawks fans.

  13. bofarr says: Jan 12, 2010 12:58 PM

    Swede makes a good point; people also seem to forget that that Carrol was considered an excellent DC in the NFL and was a winning NFL head coach even if barely. I don’t think it will be a disaster.

  14. realitypolice says: Jan 12, 2010 1:06 PM

    swede700 says:
    January 12, 2010 12:38 PM
    You should point out that the “college” coaches mentioned thus far all have experience coaching in the NFL…DeWayne Walker included.
    —————————-
    Good point. No surprise that the extent of Florio’s research was to see what the coach in question was doing last year. Walker was the secondary coach for the New England Patriots under Bill Bellichik for God’s sake.
    It isn’t even accurate, really, to label Pete Carroll a “college coach”. He has 15 years of coaching experience in the NFL, versus 9 in college and has a winning (albeit barely) record in the NFL.
    Patriots owner Robert Kraft said firing Carroll was one of the toughest decisions he has had to make since buying the team, stating “A lot of things were going on that made it difficult for him to stay, some of which were out of his control. And it began with following a legend.” (from Wikipedia)
    Add it all up, and I think calling this a “butch davis” situation is a little unfair.

  15. reddog9 says: Jan 12, 2010 1:14 PM

    It will be great to see Carroll fail!!!! He made a lot of money by berating a bunch of college kids who had no recourse against all his nonsense……Welcome back to the pros Pete where the men are!

  16. gooboy6 says: Jan 12, 2010 1:14 PM

    Carroll will fail mi$erably except when he travel$ to the bank$ to depo$it his $$.
    Then he’ll get fired,( bought out for more $) and move on to another Pac 10 school like Arizona or ASU and make more money for him$elf

  17. HarrisonHits says: Jan 12, 2010 1:17 PM

    “there’s a chance Carroll will get a splash of cold water in his face when he realizes that there’s a fundamental difference between the San Francisco 49ers and the Fresno State Bulldogs.”
    Yeah head already found that out many times over when he was coaching the Pats. It didn’t stop him being jacked and pumped every week as the Pats got progressively worse and worse under him.
    Now he’s taking over a team that has a much worse roster compared to what the Pats had coming off a year they had made it to the Super Bowl. Carroll will last 3 seasons in Seattle just like he did with the Pats, and then back to the college ranks.
    Good luck Seahawks fans, you’re gonna need it.

  18. pacstud says: Jan 12, 2010 1:17 PM

    Article reports one fact:
    Walker to Seattle
    Then Florio waxes intelligensia with his superior football IQ.
    What position did you play again?
    That’s right, Left Out.
    Bitter nerds turned journalists.

  19. Bill Cowher's Chin says: Jan 12, 2010 1:21 PM

    # bofarr says: January 12, 2010 12:58 PM
    Swede makes a good point; people also seem to forget that that Carrol was considered an excellent DC in the NFL and was a winning NFL head coach even if barely. I don’t think it will be a disaster.
    _________________________________
    I am not on the Pete Carroll was a terrible NFL coach band wagon, but remember, he took over a New England team, that was 11-5, and just lost the Super Bowl. His first year in NE he was 10-6, 1-1 in playoffs. His second year he was 9-7, 0-1 playoffs. And his 3rd year, he was 8-8, missing the playoffs.
    He got progressively worse each year, as the team changed from Bill Parcell’s guys, to Pete Carroll’s guys. Many coaches have failed before succeeding, so maybe it will be “third time the charm” for Pete……

  20. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Jan 12, 2010 1:21 PM

    Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says:
    ‘The only way this approach will be successful is if they have a better feel for the college players they had on their teams and coached against. And of course provided Carrol has the ability to pull the draft trigger here.
    This is called the Jimmy Johnson theory. Where Johnson accumulated draft picks and used the information he was privy to as a college coach to acquire great talent for the Dallas roster. Johnson’s crew combined with the Dallas scouts to consistently year after year produce great drafts.
    The problem here is that Pete Carrol is not Jimmy Johnson…”
    ———
    Howie Handles says:
    How did Jimmy do in Miami?
    Plus he inherited the most important part of a football team, the QB.
    ____________________________
    How Johnson did in Miami is irrelevant in this context…

  21. djbambam says: Jan 12, 2010 1:22 PM

    Carroll and Walker have a long history together. Walker was one of Carroll’s first hires at USC. He also has NFL experience he has coached the Giants, Redskins, and Pats.

  22. dcsween says: Jan 12, 2010 1:25 PM

    Kind of a bad example to use DeWayne Walker’s hire a defensive coordinator to make the point that college coaches and recruiting might not translate in the NFL (and the millionaire 25 year olds). DeWayne Walker coached for the Skins for longer than he coached at either UCLA or New Mexico State. Also, one hire from the college coach ranks does not a trend make.

  23. slothism says: Jan 12, 2010 1:27 PM

    Classic Florio Slander (CFS – tm). Pete Carroll was one of the most innovative DC’s in the NFL. He was a players coach and was pretty well loved by his NFL players. It’s no big surprise that he chose a college coach as a DC – because Pete will run the defense and the DC will implement Pete’s defense.
    Carroll has 5 years to right the ship in Seattle, and has a big checkbook to do it with. I live in the northwest – he’ll bring some fresh air to clear out the foul stench that Holmgren left behind.
    What’s the matter Florio – isn’t Carroll represented by Bob LaMonte? Can you quit carrying that guys water for a while.

  24. FalconDevil says: Jan 12, 2010 1:31 PM

    Jeez I’m not a Carrol or SEA fan but the way you sports “journalists” feed off of negativity, it’s pathetic. Why do people love and root to see people fail more than they enjoy seeing someone succeed?

  25. denver_high says: Jan 12, 2010 1:57 PM

    If he can get Matt Millen on board this deal will be complete.

  26. Stormton10 says: Jan 12, 2010 2:03 PM

    Top notch reporting, Florio. Way to mention his NFL experience. Or Jeremy Bates’ NFL experience. Or Pat Ruel’s NFL experience.
    The only NFL “virgin” coach here so far is Ken Norton Jr.
    You’re a joke. I’m glad you enjoy being the People magazine of football reporting.

  27. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Jan 12, 2010 2:04 PM

    slothism says:
    “Classic Florio Slander (CFS – tm). Pete Carroll was one of the most innovative DC’s in the NFL.”
    _________________________________
    Then name something defensively relevant that Carroll was an “innovator” of?

  28. Cougar Bait says: Jan 12, 2010 2:06 PM

    Yeah, didn’t Jeremy Bates coach for the Broncos? And Walker coached in the NFL previously, too? What about Alex Gibbs? It’s not like his staff is completely green or out-of-touch with the pro game. I think it’s a little (i mean, a lot) premature, Florio, to say the ‘Butch Davis’ thing. The real problem is going to lie with the personnel. I agree with FalconDevil, what’s the big rush to be negative?

  29. HBOilers24 says: Jan 12, 2010 2:17 PM

    DeWayne Walker was a very good and successful DC at UCLA, a place where he had some very good college defensive players but they were’nt USC, Ohio State, or Florida as a unit. thats what he’s going to have to work with in Seattle. he’ll have 3 or 4 very good players (Lofa Tatupu, Marcus Trufant, Lawyer Milloy, and Aaron Curry) and thats about it.

  30. HBOilers24 says: Jan 12, 2010 2:17 PM

    DeWayne Walker was a very good and successful DC at UCLA, a place where he had some very good college defensive players but they were’nt USC, Ohio State, or Florida as a unit. thats what he’s going to have to work with in Seattle. he’ll have 3 or 4 very good players (Lofa Tatupu, Marcus Trufant, Lawyer Milloy, and Aaron Curry) and thats about it.

  31. HBOilers24 says: Jan 12, 2010 2:31 PM

    also how is this a heavy college coach list?
    Pete Carroll is a former NFL head coach and as has been brought up already, Carroll has spent more seasons as an NFL coach then a college coach.
    the link for the DC: D’Wayne Walker, 7 years in the nfl, 5 years in college.
    the link to the OC job: Jeremy Bates, 7 years NFL, 1 in college.
    stop making it sound like these guys have the the same background as Steve Spurrier who spent all but 2 years at the college side.

  32. coz says: Jan 12, 2010 2:35 PM

    this will be a 35 million dollar failure

  33. Anarcho Purplism says: Jan 12, 2010 3:10 PM

    I see another failure as well. Xs n Os are very important in the NFL. I thought Carroll was a rah-rah guy.
    This deal does not seem to make much sense for the Seahawks (there’s no chicken of the sea).
    Makes perfect sense for Carroll, if the NCAA violations prove true.
    I’d love to be proved wrong. With St. Louis in the mire & Zona dipping when Warner leaves….the division could use a lift.
    Watch out for them Niners next year!

  34. Stormton10 says: Jan 12, 2010 3:15 PM

    HBOilers, Milloy isn’t even a starter.
    I’d add Brandon Mebane and Leroy Hill to the list of good players. Probably take off Trufant after last year,

  35. JustAGuy says: Jan 12, 2010 4:17 PM

    > there’s a chance Carroll will get a splash of cold water in his face when he realizes that there’s a fundamental difference between the San Francisco 49ers and the Fresno State Bulldogs.
    Since Carroll has been an NFL coach isn’t there a possibility he knows that?

  36. rockotica says: Jan 12, 2010 4:27 PM

    heavy on the college coaches = GUARANTEED DISASTER FAIL.

  37. AggieLostInTexas says: Jan 12, 2010 8:34 PM

    http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-sports/ci_14173183

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