Comments on: Pereira defends facemask non-call

By: Julie

Julie — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:41:05 +0000

The fact is a bad call can cost a team the game! The NFL wants to penalize a player for a late hit or for a unneccessary hit or verbal comment. What happens to the officials who miss a call that cost a team a game? not only a regular season game but a Playoff game? a chance of Super Bowl?? NOTHING!! All an official has to do is admit that they screwed up and it’s ‘awww it’s ok’! IT MATTERS! Yeah the game is over ..why?? Because some lazy a$$ official missed a game ending call! Was it really that hard to see the Facemask?? Was it really hard to see the late hit on Rodgers?? NO! Why??? Its homefield Advantage!! It doesnt matter how either team played it’s an officials job to make the right calls! But how many times do they screw up and cost a team a win! TOO many times and NOTHING happens to them! It’s really sad and I think that Goodell ought to open his eyes and face the real problems in the NFL or get out! I am a Packers fan but I also thought the Steelers Super Bowl win last year was a joke due to the same problems! How many holds were there that weren’t called??? Officials mistakes! WAKE UP GOODELL! Get rid of your blind offiicials and have games called fairly!

By: Beer Cheese Soup

Beer Cheese Soup — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:06:56 +0000

Supersuckers says:
Ok Packer fans..and I am one. The “facemask’ did not have an effect on the result of the play. If we need a after the fact cheap penalty to keep a drive alive we are pathetic. The ball was coming out whether Arod eventually gets facemasked after the fact or not.
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As painful as it is, I’m forced to agree with you.
Bad calls and non-calls happen all the time. Far worse ones have happened in the playoffs, and especially in one recent Super Bowl.
Blaming the refs for the loss, after how our defense played, is weak at best. Be grateful we have Rodgers, he was the only reason we were in the game.
At any rate, the game is over. The season’s over. It’s time to let it go.

By: jorge

jorge — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:09:18 +0000

@DoluthFan,
“Last thing I wanted to say, I used to HATE the Cowboys ‘ fans…but after several different blog sites I have visited, I think there are many, many who are classy and respectful of other respectful fans (like many, many of my fellow Vikings fans). Will be a great game this weekend!”
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What a joke!
The next respectful Vikings fan I meet, will be the first respectful Vikings fan I meet…
That being said, your season ends this weekend.
Cowboys in a blow out!!!

By: jorge

jorge — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:07:29 +0000

By: DuluthFan

DuluthFan — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:20:31 +0000

Vikings fan here…I understand Packer Fan frustration.
That being said, I think fans of every team have had to deal with what they would see as bad/blown calls from the refs. And I also think there are a few teams who have at the very least the appearence of getting the benefit of questionable calls/non-calls…Cowboys, 49ers, Giants and Pittsburg come to mind. Not saying anything about their fans…even if true it is not their fault.
Florio has over-played this topic…no question. He needs to move on…Packer fans (although it has to be hard) can only move on themselves.
Last thing I wanted to say, I used to HATE the Cowboys ‘ fans…but after several different blog sites I have visited, I think there are many, many who are classy and respectful of other respectful fans (like many, many of my fellow Vikings fans). Will be a great game this weekend!

By: shaggytoodle

shaggytoodle — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:18:48 +0000

I am a Packers fan , and when you spot the ANY team 17 points its going to be tough to win, BUT they say there was no “tugging or pulling” is it true that INCIDENTAL face masks are to be let go right away, by the time he had let go Rodgers was on the ground. That’s not even taking into the fact of the hands to the head portion. I do feel cheated as I believe any other fan would be if it was thier team. Aaron Rodgers will take a page out of Ochocinco’s book and change his last name to Brady or Manning. That way he can get atleast a couple of those calls.

By: jeffragnarchicken

jeffragnarchicken — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:01:14 +0000

I love the tears of the Packer fans.
It makes my day to read all this drivel.

By: Myballshurt

Myballshurt — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:46:07 +0000

footballrulz… I agree wholeheartedly. My only problem with that is that I know Aaron is only in his second year as a starter, but he has been in the league for 5 years. Once he learns to put some air under the ball (he missed open deep receivers a few times) and get rid of the ball he’ll be great. I hope he does which is why I said “so far”. My only other concern is that he doesn’t seem to feel the pressure when it is coming from his “blind” side. Some QB’s seem to have “eyes in the back of their head”. He doesn’t have that YET. Hopefully, playing time will help.

By: jamesz23

jamesz23 — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:45:57 +0000

I agree Pervy I’d rather have Revis than Woodson.

By: footballrulz

footballrulz — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:27:10 +0000

@myballshurt
Yeah, Favre may have hit that ball that Aaron missed. Very good possibility. Today!!
During his 2nd year as a starter, maybe not. Give Aaron another year or so. After, he;s hit a lot of those this year. Probably playoff adrenaline.
Pack is very lucky to get Rodgers after having Favre so many years. Pretty rare thing. Montana/Youngish type stuff.

By: CP21

CP21 — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:01:52 +0000

hahaha Yah Harvin, Actually just yesterday I was telling a friend I wish Woodson was like 10 years younger (which, would be about Revis’ age) so ya I wouldn’t mind having Revis! …. hopefully like Favre, Woodson can play until he’s 40 at a high level…unfortunately unlike Favre…Woodson needs to run!
Ah well, until he can’t play anymore, Im happy with the D player of the year! Altho if Revis would have won it, I wouldn’t have complained, it would have been well deserved, that’s for sure! Too bad Nnamdi is stuck in Oakland…..He’d sure be a nice replacement once Woodson retires

By: JimmyY

JimmyY — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:48:43 +0000

pacstud says:
Green was watching the ball (as he should be).
Is this really that confusing?
This is what happens when lawyers get involved.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Lawyers (Florio?) love talking and all that BS spewing out of their mouths make them feel superior to everyone else when in reality they have the common sense of a horse fly. Trying to stir it up, that’s all they do.

By: nerd

nerd — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:41:44 +0000

As a Packers fan, I don’t blame the refs for this loss. He had our chances, including the chance to NOT turn the ball over in the red zone twice in our first three plays from scrimmage.
HOWEVER, this is just the latest example of the officials determining the outcome of a game. What started in the Superbowl between the Seahawks and the Steelers has snowballed.
I honestly thought the Pack was safe from this sort of thing, because a Rodgers vs Favre playoffs game would be huge for the NFL. But let’s be real. Larry Fitgerald wrestles Charles Woodson to the ground to get open on TWO TDs. No call on either one. Then this call. Very suspect. And I’d call it the same way just as I did when the refs blatantly handed to games in a row to the Broncos that time.
Still, we had our chances.

By: RealPervyHarvin

RealPervyHarvin — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:39:20 +0000

CP21 – How refreshing! a guy that can laugh instead of getting all red faced!
Favre is proven to be great.Rodgers looks like he is on the way. Its funny,Pack and Vikings fans argue about the 2.Pack are happy to have the young guy with a future and we are happy to have the gunslinger,a major upgrade,but coming to careers end soon.(maybe?lol)
Sort of reminds me of another topic we argue.Woodson and Revis. Woodson is like Favre and Revis is Rodgers. Don’t tell me Pack fans you wouldn’t trade Woody for Revis anyday.Lot of future ahead of Revis. LOL But you will all say keep Woodson I bet? This all just what if talk…don’t get stupid at me!

By: iplayedthegame

iplayedthegame — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:34:31 +0000

Myballshurt says
“And if the king had tits….he’d be queen”…Favre would have hit that throw! So far, that’s the difference between the two. I’m a huge Packer fan….I’m just not a huge crybaby.”
Most Queen fans I’ve met (at least the men) have big tits – so you got me there!
Nobody believes you are a huge Packer fan, you obviously ARE a crybaby and your obsession w/ a middle-aged man you’ve never met who kicked your ass for 16 years is really kind of pathetic. Time for you and Pervy to get a girl -or a job(then your balls might not hurt so bad !!)
good day sir !!

By: leatherneck

leatherneck — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:29:22 +0000

Incidental contact with the facemask is no longer a penalty. That rule changed two years ago. People don’t realize this and that is what is throwing them off.
Adams made only incidental contact. In any case, the contact was made after the fumble.

By: Cardsfan81

Cardsfan81 — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:27:09 +0000

The Rodgers so called face mask penalty was not a penalty. Now I’d like to ask Perreria why the two potential penalty calls against Fitzgerald were not called when he ran over Charles Woodson and score the two TD’s Fitzgerald got. That’s the real question to have answered.

By: Supersuckers

Supersuckers — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:26:31 +0000

Ok Packer fans..and I am one. The “facemask’ did not have an effect on the result of the play. If we need a after the fact cheap penalty to keep a drive alive we are pathetic. The ball was coming out whether Arod eventually gets facemasked after the fact or not.

By: houstonsimpleton

houstonsimpleton — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:25:03 +0000

Pereira’s right. Rodgers head wasn’t getting tugged downward by the facemask (it’s the only direction his head moved) — he was focused on the ball and lowering it, himself, to watch the ball.

By: iplayedthegame

iplayedthegame — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:23:52 +0000

The question is what happens when the NFL levies a 7,500 $ fine on Berry for the helmet-to-helmet shot on ARog. Does Pereira issue a statment explaining why that call wasn’t made? Or does the NFL issue a written apology? After all the blubbering the NFL has made about head injuries do they just sweep it under the rug?
My second question is why this play is not reviewed. Why have instant replay if you won’t use it during game-changing-season ending-epic game situations?
PS. I’ve been waiting 10+ years for an NFL apology for the botched Jerry Rice fumble call in the ’98 wildcard vs. 49ers.

By: Myballshurt

Myballshurt — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:21:16 +0000

Iplayedthegame…”The play that kills me is the overthrow to Jennings on the 1st OT play. He hits that baby he’s got 5 TDs 500 yards and is an instant legend and the Favre lovers are all pissing their purple panties.”
“And if the king had tits….he’d be queen”…Favre would have hit that throw! So far, that’s the difference between the two. I’m a huge Packer fan….I’m just not a huge crybaby.

By: cobrala2

cobrala2 — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:18:24 +0000

Mike Pereira’s commental on NFLN’s TA has continued to worsen over time. At first it was a refreshing and enlightening experience on TA but as Eisen has lost some integrity by failing to properly-press Pereira (his response to Pereira was BARELY ADEQUATE) Pereira has lost total integrity – but this was many, many weeks ago, folks. The man’s a coward.

By: geogibso

geogibso — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:17:45 +0000

Didn’t the NFL get rid of the incidental facemask penalty several years ago and make all facemask penalties 15 yards whether they meant to pull it or not? So therefore it doesn’t matter if he meant to do it while tackling Rodgers, its an automatic 15 yard penalty.
With that said the Packers still made plenty of mistakes and this non-call was by no means the sole reason they lost. But, it still should’ve been called.

By: ACDC84

ACDC84 — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:13:09 +0000

As a GB fan I don’t blame the officials for the loss, as our defense was attrocious. That said, a 15-yard first-down penalty should have been called, and the game would have been different…

By: RealPervyHarvin

RealPervyHarvin — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:11:40 +0000

LOL Listen,I think Rodgers is good. I don’t worship Favre either. Just like to get Pack fans riled up. If this was all stiff analysis and boring takes on here,I wouldn’t have time. Florio himself knows that.I am a very serious Viking homer though! LOL

By: CP21

CP21 — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:08:47 +0000

hahaha yeah Harvin, fair reply….no short shorts and no whistle haha but well handled
Hope your wrong about Rodgers, just sayin’ that guy looks legit!
As far as the vikings…I actually hope they win, Hope Favre gets one more championship (he deserves it), hopefully then he can retire and the vikings will be left with an aging o-line, jokes at QB and one of the greatest backs I’ve ever seen (who unfortunately can’t hang on to the ball)….and maybe even questions at receiver altho Harvin and Rice are looking pretty legit too (hopefully that’s just Favre’s doing hahaha)
Opinions are cool, throwing around “facts” that aren’t right is what I meant (except calling you out for the rodgers prediction, thats my bias, but with years starting, and age of the team…I still think/hope you’re wrong)

By: Pack83

Pack83 — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:07:42 +0000

For all those equating this to a blocked punt…yes, you can make contact with the punter if you block the punt…but if you somehow block the punt then GRAB THE PUNTER’S FACEMASK, BEFORE POSSESSION, AND IT’S FLAGGED…it’s the punting team’s ball, 15 yard penalty, first down.
It’s pretty much the same thing here…with the ball loose, Adams had every right to destroy Rodgers…but NOT GRAB HIS FACEMASK. Since no one had possession when the facemask happened, the Pack would keep the ball, 15 yards, first down.
Think about a tipped ball that gets into the secondary…say while it’s in the air, DCR grabs and tugs Jennings in an effort to get the ball, and in the process, the Cards pick the pass off. What would you say then, the INT stands, 15 yards from the spot of the facemask??? NO, 1st down Packers…SAME THING.
Anyone who thinks it would be Cardinals ball, 15 yards from the spot…you’re just plain wrong, period.

By: BOO3LEGS

BOO3LEGS — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:53:46 +0000

I would like to know how many of you saw the facemask in real time? I will admit that i did not, it looked to me that Rodgers was looking down at the ball when it came out. From the view we had on tv, and the speed that it happened the very first reaction was to see the ball come out and follow it. Second would be to see the replay and call foul. The refs don’t have the luxury we fans have. And i don’t want to here the BS about ,Oh the refs can’t miss that call in that situation it to important to the outcome of the game. I f this play happened in the first quarter we would have heard nothing about it. This was the the exact opposite of the botched first down call in the first Browns Steelers game when they had all the time in the world to suck off the rooney’s and give the steelers a first down when in fact it was inches short.

By: iplayedthegame

iplayedthegame — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:51:46 +0000

Think of what the ref has to deal with on that final play:
1. Does he call a facemask?? He has to see a “tug or pull”.
2. Does he call roughing ?? – technically defined as any contact w/ Rodger’s head- but only prior to any possesion change.
3.The possesion call is also dependant on who is in possesion when the faskmask occurs. The ball goes from Rodger’s to defender’s hands in about 1.5 seconds.
4.Does Rodger’s intentionally kick the ball (I’m thinking probably so) Does that stop the play and Packers retain possesion (??)
5. If the ball hits the ground the “tuck rule” is now in efffect. The fumble becomes a pass and Packers get the ball back.
This is all happening w/ Rodger’s back to the ref as 3 defenders surround him – plus he’s looking for holding. Not to mention his arthritic hip and bad prostate. Like MM said: If you’re depending on this guy to save your season, you’re waitin’ to lose…

By: jamesz23

jamesz23 — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:42:01 +0000

It’s all good Harvin…..but not all Packers fans live in Wisconsin, I live in CA. So yes there is a lot of love for Rodgers here & a lot of Favre hate for what he has done to the 49ers over the years. I like both guys – I just think through your purple glasses you give Favre more credit than Steve Marriuci and rip on Rodgers more than a scorned ex.