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Gregg Williams suggests the Saints want to injure Manning

During their march through the playoffs, the New Orleans Saints have battered and bruised (and nearly broken) two future Hall of Fame quarterbacks — Kurt Warner of the Cardinals and Brett Favre of the Vikings.

They’re now setting their sights on a third man whose oversized forehead eventually will be memorialized in bronze.

Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams recently told a Nashville radio station that the Saints plan to rattle Colts quarterback Peyton Manning by hitting him whenever they can, and that the goal is to knock him out of the game.

“This guy’s got a great clock in his head,” Williams told 104.5 The Zone, via ESPN.com.  “The big thing is that he
throws the ball so early that we’re going to have to do a good job of
finding ways to get to him and when we do get to him we’re going to
have to make sure he gets a couple ‘remember me’ shots when we get there.”

The Saints applied several “remember me” shots to Favre on Sunday, prompting many a Vikings fan to utter a phrase that for broadcast television purposes would be edited to sound like “forget you.”  One such hit to Favre’s legs didn’t draw a flag, even though NFL V.P. of officiating Mike Pereira admitted last night that a roughing the passer penalty should have been called.

And Williams won’t be reeling in his troops for the Super Bowl.  Instead, it sounds like he’s willing to risk a few 15-yard walk-offs if it means that Manning eventually will be carted off the field.

“When you put too much of that type of worry on a
warrior’s mind, he doesn’t play all out,” Williams said.  “If it happens, it happens.  And
the only thing you’d like for me to say is that if it happens you hope
he doesn’t get back up and play again.”

You hope he doesn’t get back up and play again.  (We wonder what Archie thinks about his former team’s objectives?)

In other words, “We’ll gladly trade a penalty or two if it means that we get to see Curtis Painter instead of Peyton Manning.”

In other words, the NFL should consider fining not only the players when dirty hits are applied to quarterbacks, but also their coaches.

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  1. Caldon says: Jan 28, 2010 8:53 AM

    Funny, I just posted in the other thread that Plan A was to go headhunting against manning like they did with Warner and Favre with late hits and cheap shots. Seems I already figured out their defensive game plan. Someone in the NFL should hire me

  2. pushing50 says: Jan 28, 2010 8:55 AM

    Manning will do what is chicken ass has always done. He will drop to the ground like a little girl. After the play he jumps up and complains to the Ref. The Dolt’s have been asking for a new rule where the defense has to count to 5 before rushing. Manning is a great quarterback as the rules help him today. He never would have survived 10 or 20 years ago.

  3. Marv_Sleezy says: Jan 28, 2010 8:56 AM

    They are absolutely a dirty team – Many players have been injured against the Saints this year – Look it up….

  4. CtownBleedsGreen says: Jan 28, 2010 8:58 AM

    Good luck Williams. Manning is going to torch you fools. How many times were the Jets “this close” to a sack and Manning gets the ball away? The Saints D ain’t the Jets D and Manning isn’t the big game turnover machine that Favre is.

  5. Jets474 says: Jan 28, 2010 9:01 AM

    I hope Manning picks them apart, and that brees and bush end up getting carted off.

  6. thunderdog says: Jan 28, 2010 9:01 AM

    I can see it now.
    Along with OTA and mnicamp contact and skirting the edges of the Rooney rule, coaches hinting at pounding the opposing quarterback will be on the lists of things that absolutely nobody cares about but Florio.
    He, of course, will pound on incessantly on the topic for months and still, nobody will care

  7. IanWhetstone says: Jan 28, 2010 9:02 AM

    Please. Manning got his GM and owner to cry and cry to get the rules applied more stringently in his favor and nobody could lay a hand on his pristine jersey. It’s about time that somebody took the stance that he’s not going to cry his way out of getting hit like every quarterback who came before.

  8. racf617 says: Jan 28, 2010 9:04 AM

    Just another indication of what a classless bunch of dirty cheaters the Saints are.
    Then again, given that they needed SIX turnovers to win a game in overtime by three points and were outgained by a zillion yards (LOL), I can see why they feel they have to resort to bush league, classless cheating in order to beat the Colts.
    It won’t work. Colts by 10, with an extra special thank you to the Saints for providing great bulletin board material.

  9. Colt's McCoy says: Jan 28, 2010 9:05 AM

    If this was said by Rex Ryan it would be greeted by the media with “lol’s” and high-fives. Williams comes from the school of Buddy Ryan and that is what he was taught. By the way, I thought you guys said the Saints were a finesse team?

  10. HarrisonHits says: Jan 28, 2010 9:08 AM

    Dear Greg,
    “When you put too much of that type of worry on a warrior’s mind, he doesn’t play all out,” Williams said.”
    Football players are not warriors. This is not war. There are no AK47s being fired at your guys. No artillery, no tanks, no flamethrowers. Try again.

  11. DCViking says: Jan 28, 2010 9:08 AM

    The problem with the Vikings was that didn’t Brees enough — they should have made it clear every time Favre got hit questionably, Brees would get a late hit as well.
    Sometimes a 15 yd Personal Foul is worth the yardage….

  12. Colt's McCoy says: Jan 28, 2010 9:09 AM

    I cannot stop laughing at how mad some of you are at the Saints. “They’re dirrrrty!!!” or “I hope they get whats coming to them.” Stop crying about the Vikings game because ultimately none of your/our opinions matter. No one cares. Take a deep breath and come to terms with the outcome of the Saints/Vikes game.

  13. ProudestMonkey77 says: Jan 28, 2010 9:09 AM

    I’m not a fan of either team, but if you watch the “dirty” hit to Favre’s legs in the Vikings-Saints game, it’s obvious that the only reason McCray went low was because Loadholt shoved him downward as he went around him.

  14. bear0402 says: Jan 28, 2010 9:14 AM

    If this is the case, the Saints better cover Brees’s ass. Karma is a bitch when it comes back around.

  15. east96street says: Jan 28, 2010 9:15 AM

    Given that New Orleans backed into the Super Bowl courtesy of the Vikings inability to hold onto the ball, is it a particularly wise strategy to talk that much trash prior to the Super Bowl? New Orleans didn’t exactly look impressive against Minny and gave away A LOT of yardage to a QB and WRs that aren’t as good as the ones they will be facing next Sunday. The guy’s D gave up 475 yards to a team that fumbled it’s way out of the playoffs. Not exactly a defensive performance for the ages.

  16. ar1888 says: Jan 28, 2010 9:17 AM

    If Manning gets injured on a cheap shot with these quotes out there. I will hate to see what will happen to Brees. The NFL better be paying attention. Its one thing to do this, its another to openly talk about it.

  17. WarrenMoonGOAT says: Jan 28, 2010 9:17 AM

    thunderdog u are right on the money with your post.
    its like Florio is graspin for straws with nubs…
    the Saints WILL win, and i’ll bet Florios child support payments on that

  18. HereThere says: Jan 28, 2010 9:18 AM

    @pushing 50.
    “Manning is a great quarterback as the rules help him today. He never would have survived 10 or 20 years ago.”
    Dude, did you have to walk in ten feet of snow to get to school, too?

  19. Allied Biscuit says: Jan 28, 2010 9:19 AM

    Pathetic. If your only hope to beat a team is to cause injury on another, then this team has ZERO respect from me.
    If this was ANY OTHER TEAM, saying they want to take the QB out of the game to win, they’d be torn apart by the media. but not the feel good saints.

  20. louisianafootballfan says: Jan 28, 2010 9:19 AM

    Please explain to me which opposing coach in the NFL doesn’t want to take a QB like Peyton Manning out of the equation. Is it dirty…no. No question that Manning is a great QB, but any defense with any common sense is going to say that they’re best shot at winning is to rattle the QB.

  21. argos says: Jan 28, 2010 9:19 AM

    Yes, they’ll change the rules again next year because of the Saints’ multiple personal foul penalties.
    Something to the tune of, get three and you lose a time out or you lose 25 yards.
    The head NFL ref already admitted they shoulda called two on favre sacks.
    Now I want the Saints to lose and lose hard.

  22. Branephood says: Jan 28, 2010 9:20 AM

    Oversized forehead? I find it hilarious when you comment on anyone else’s looks Florio. No mirrors in your house?

  23. Nevisyakker says: Jan 28, 2010 9:22 AM

    SO the league’s most despicable game planner continues, and without apology. The constant late hits with an obvious intention to injure the opposing QB, as per the game plan, will go down in NFL history as one of the most despicable actions ever witnessed.
    For many NFL fans who were ready to pull whole heartedly for the Saints it is now impossible. How can anyone cheer for filthy, classless, unsportsman like play, and this not from a few misguided players but from the head coach and defensive cooridinator.
    Go Colts! I hope that Manning torches you for 50 points and you lose by 30! And may all the players you hold most dear leave the field on a stretcher after good, clean football hits.

  24. purplejesus28 says: Jan 28, 2010 9:23 AM

    everyone already knows Gregg Williams is scum of the earth and thats not a shocker. I’ve been saying all week the saddest part of the NFC championship game was that no one on the offense, or especially the defense, stood up to protect their guy. you can be damn sure if it was the original LT or any Steeler team that they would have responded by actually taking Brees out of that game. I’m all for a fair football game, but if you keep coming late after my guy I’m just taking yours out. I expect Freeney, Mathis, Brackett and the crew might respond the same way with their Super Bowl chances on the line.

  25. dowens11 says: Jan 28, 2010 9:25 AM

    This is exactly the reason that the new rules will forever skew our perspective on “best ever” and why numbers can be deceiving when not looked at in context. I’m 31, so my experience as a NFL fan has seen the gradual shift away from reckless abandon physicality to what it is today, and while the scores and offenses mesmerize fans now, the QB’s and WO’s (and TE’s because they would be running fewer routes and blocking more instead) would enjoy only a fraction of this success without the rule changes.
    I don’t want to see anyone severely injured playing football, but the way the game is called now, is not the football most of us grew up watching and loving.

  26. packerfanfornot4life says: Jan 28, 2010 9:25 AM

    Manning will do what is chicken ass has always done. He will drop to the ground like a little girl. After the play he jumps up and complains to the Ref. The Dolt’s have been asking for a new rule where the defense has to count to 5 before rushing. Manning is a great quarterback as the rules help him today. He never would have survived 10 or 20 years ago.
    No, he will do the same thing he did against the Jets. He is too smart to take sacks!

  27. Krimbo says: Jan 28, 2010 9:26 AM

    NEWSFLASH: NFL Defense Wants To Hit Opposing QB
    color me flabbergasted….

  28. Archie Who? says: Jan 28, 2010 9:26 AM

    The head games start. Williams has declared his intentions and now the league office will tell the officials to call a penalty if ANY defensive player gets CLOSE to either QB.
    That’s advantage Saints because everybody knows that Manning was going to carve up the Saints D without the NFL going to extra lengths to protect him anyway, right?

  29. BUNYAN says: Jan 28, 2010 9:26 AM

    I like what Greg Williams is saying. The quarterback must go down and go down hard. As long as the hit on the qb is not too late. If he is hit a second after he releases the ball that’s fine. It is not dirty or a cheap shot at all. IT’S FOOTBALL. If you don’t like it then take the protective gear off and wear flags hanging from a belt. By the way, I’m neither a Saint’s fan nor a Colt’s fan.

  30. Mike Florios Daddy says: Jan 28, 2010 9:26 AM

    I really hope that someone goes and beats the life out of greg williams because he tries to injure players on the other team. That guy should not be allowed to even coach in the league because his schemes are nothing but dirty.

  31. BlawgPound says: Jan 28, 2010 9:27 AM

    Gregg Williams’ brain is still frozen from his tenure in Buffalo where incidentially, his vaunted defenses stopped no one–either by injury or good play.

  32. scomibord says: Jan 28, 2010 9:27 AM

    I want to know when the Quarterback will start to wear pink tu-tu’s. This is a violent game. His quote before the Cardinals and ViQueens game was, ” If you kill the head…the snake cannot bite you”. Archie isn’t pulling for the Saints, so maybe, Vilma should go into the crowd and put a cheap shot on him!!!!!! I personally love the defensive philosophy. I love it that the 25th ranked defense would be considered dirty!

  33. Vladimir says: Jan 28, 2010 9:27 AM

    Williams is a turd. I see Manning torching his “elite” defense (25th in the league) to the tune of about 400 yards and 5 TDs.
    I guess he’s afraid that the only way he can have some success is to play outside of the rules.
    Colts 42-3

  34. MNSportsGuy79 says: Jan 28, 2010 9:29 AM

    What is Williams getting advice from Madden on how to get away with having one of the dirtiest teams in the league? Good…I hope they do go after Manning. That’s the only way the have the slightest chance of winning. And if the refs admit to missing the blatant late hit on Favre…they won’t hesitate to throw the flag when it happens to the NFL Poster Boy. Good luck Aints…you never sacked Favre but put him down with dirty defense…Manning is a bit more able to escape pressure.

  35. FumbleNuts says: Jan 28, 2010 9:29 AM

    Sounds like O-line bulletin board material for the Colts. Manning and company will handle this tactic, switch gears on the fly and pull out the win.

  36. dewalt2990 says: Jan 28, 2010 9:30 AM

    Allow me to say…. DUH or maybe DURR would be more appropriate. Of course they want to take Peyton out of the game, it’s science…

  37. VIKESFANFOREVER says: Jan 28, 2010 9:32 AM

    I hope Manning picks them apart, and that brees and bush end up getting carted off.
    The saints will be pounded by the Colts and Manning.
    The refs definitely helped the aints get the W against the Vikings, hopefully that wont happen again.

  38. jersey73 says: Jan 28, 2010 9:33 AM

    So Gregg Williams…enjoy the league fining/suspending your ass if illegal late hits occur.
    This is like telling everyone you intend to rob a bank and then doing it and surprised that you got in trouble for it.
    @pushing50…I love when people like you make these dumbass statements like calling people chicken-ass while you sit behind your computer. Let alone say that someone else isn’t tough enough to survive football 10-15 years ago. It’s an old, tired act. I guess all the defensive players nowadays are pussies also because in the old days you could target their knees and so on. Yeah, all NFL players now suck and couldn’t survive in the old days.

  39. Nemesis says: Jan 28, 2010 9:34 AM

    The only chance the Saints have at beating the Colts is to resort to cheap, pathetic, scumbag tactics like head hunting Peyton Manning.
    I hope the Saints get blown away by hurricane Coltrina.

  40. Floyd the Barber says: Jan 28, 2010 9:36 AM

    One of the things that bothered me about the Vikings loss is that they didn’t exact more revenge on the dirty play Brees by breaking his girlie bones.
    Oh well, something to look forward to next year.

  41. racf617 says: Jan 28, 2010 9:36 AM

    “If this was ANY OTHER TEAM, saying they want to take the QB out of the game to win, they’d be torn apart by the media. but not the feel good saints”
    Exactly! Again, the people of NO have been through a devastating tragedy…that doesn’t mean, however, that the players and coaches of that football team aren’t dirty scumbags. By the way, I hate the Vikings, so this isn’t post-loss whining…the Saints really are a dirty team who’s far, FAR more “lucky” than good.
    “Oversized forehead? I find it hilarious when you comment on anyone else’s looks Florio. No mirrors in your house?”
    Ha—it’s so true. But, hey, at least Florio has the talent to compensate for…er, never mind.
    And it’s truly sad that the Saints are all but announcing “We know we’re not good enough to win legitimately, so we’ll have to try to injure their QB to even have a chance.”
    Dirty, pathetic, and the kind of talk you hear from teams who go on to LOSE the games.

  42. Pervy Harvin says: Jan 28, 2010 9:38 AM

    With all of the finger pointing going against the Saints for cheap shots on Warner and Favre,Greg Williams must be a real tool. Come right out and tell the world you guys are like the dirty boxer. You know,the boxer that lacks talent and finesse. Uses head butts,elbows,low blows and anything else to break down superior opponents. Seen it first hand. Can’t blame the Saints I guess though. When you are dealing with teams with greater talent (Vikings,next Colts) have to pull out the dirty pool handbook.
    You guys mugged Favre,and like Super Dave,he still kept throwing it down your throat except the fatal last pass. Expect the same from Manning. Don’t think Manning is tough as Favre though,Colts better have a plan.

  43. bian8 says: Jan 28, 2010 9:40 AM

    IanWhetstone that may have been the most ignorant comment I have ever read on here. Congratulations

  44. betheball says: Jan 28, 2010 9:41 AM

    I did not see anywhere in William’s comments where he suggests knocking Manning out with a cheap shot.
    Why do you think NFL coaches are so secretive about their injury reports? Because they know that if they disclose an injury to a certain body part, the opposing team will paint a target on the injured area in the hopes of knocking the player out of the game. In the words of Herm Edwards, “you play to win the game” and if, within the framework of the rules, you can knock the opposing teams best player out of the game, you should take advantage of the opportunity. Like Favre and Warner, Manning’s only vulnerability is his immobility. A coach would be irresponsible and derelict in his duties if he didn’t take advantage of that vulnerability. As a Packer fan, I could not understand why we didn’t go after Favre in the two regular season games or Warner in the playoffs.

  45. JayBot says: Jan 28, 2010 9:42 AM

    “And the only thing you’d like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again.”
    Is he saying that he hopes Manning does not get back up, or is he saying that he thinks the media wants to hear him say that?
    “And the only thing you’d like for me to say is…”
    This part of the quote makes me think he might have been trying to make a statement to the media about what he thought the media wanted him to say to generate headlines. Without the entire context of the conversation, it’s hard to tell which point he was making.

  46. Pervy Harvin says: Jan 28, 2010 9:43 AM

    Fire fire with fire. Keep talking saints fans. Look for Brees to become the target next year. Teams will bring your style to you. Brees,being a fragile little thing,will be toast. God,please let Vikings play the Saints again!

  47. Gautam says: Jan 28, 2010 9:44 AM

    I can visualize the smirk on Manning’s face after reading Gregg’s comments lol

  48. BigEarl504 says: Jan 28, 2010 9:49 AM

    Vikings fans……..the season’s over. Please go away. Florio. You’re reaching and attempting to make villain’s out of the Saints because they beat the hell out of your beloved Brett.
    Get over yourselves and understand that the Saints are no more dirty than any other team in the league. Williams verbalized what 31 other defensive coordinators quietly set out to accomplish.
    Vikes fans please leave your moral highground. After all, your QB is a franchise destroyer and your coach lied directly to the face of his players (see Sage Rosenfelds and Tavaris Jackson) and the media (see quotes regarding his lack of pursuit of Brett Farve).
    At least Williams is being honest about his intent to make Manning uncomfortable. Every other tactic has failed.

  49. wwwmattcom says: Jan 28, 2010 9:51 AM

    The only chance the Saints have is to get Manning out. DIRTY. I am pulling for the Colts! GO COLTS!
    or at least now I am rooting against the Saints.
    Moron Gregg Williams

  50. tombrookshire says: Jan 28, 2010 9:52 AM

    Already sounds like the Saints are on the ropes and we’ve not even made to SB week. With the story about two game plans, and trying to knock Manning around and rattle him, I think the Saints already know that unless they play error-free, that the Colts will hang two or three scores on them early and make them play catchup, panic football, which in that case, will assure the Colts that they have already won the game. It sounds like in the war of nerves, the Colts already have an advantage, when you have the coaches talking scared.

  51. Stetson wears panties says: Jan 28, 2010 9:53 AM

    Gregg Williams fat fuzzy head try this against Peyton when he was with the Redskins when they nearly broke Manning in half.
    Ask Gregg how that turned out for him. He got torched in the 2nd half.
    Keep in mind Freeney can plant Birthmark just as easily.
    Ryan ran his fat mouth and Williams will run his and Manning will torch them both.

  52. V Chip says: Jan 28, 2010 9:57 AM

    It’s always funny listening to people with no reading comprehension skills getting all up in arms about something that wasn’t even said.
    “And the only thing you’d like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again”
    Read that again — he is saying that is what the media WANTS him to say.
    And Florio, hack supreme, then just makes up his own assumption and repeats it then makes another assumption based on his misinterpretation.
    So yeah, go ahead and think Williams and the Saints are trying to “ruin a player’s career” (yet another exaggeration of an assumption based off a misinterpretation). Once you finally pass high school English, you’ll understand how wrong you are.

  53. FlourideSoldOut says: Jan 28, 2010 9:59 AM

    Only way the Aints can win IS to take Manning out, you can’t beat him mentally, you have to beat him physically. Maybe they should shove some double stuff oreos down his throat as well.
    Could be another boring SuperBowl game with the Dolts walking away with it. Ho-Hum, maybe the commercials will be good this year.

  54. Boudin says: Jan 28, 2010 10:01 AM

    “And the only thing you’d like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again.”
    what do you think G. Williams meant by this?
    “the only thing you’d like me to say…” seems to me that part of the interview was left out.
    and these are your words, Floria:
    “We’ll gladly trade a penalty or two…”

  55. roto245 says: Jan 28, 2010 10:03 AM

    The Saints are an absolutely dirty team. I’ve already lost respect for them, and playing in the Superdome is suspect. The officiating there has been outrageous. I would love for the fans of New Orleans to get their first Superbowl, but make no mistake. If they get one against Peyton and the Colts, it won’t be because they played fair and square.

  56. mrogers18 says: Jan 28, 2010 10:03 AM

    Ha Ha.. Manning is going to rip their defense to shreds. You don’t think that every team’s gameplan has been to take him out? Please blitz him… I was rooting for the Saints, but now it’s all Colts. F U Greg Williams… you were a dick in DC too!

  57. minhw0714 says: Jan 28, 2010 10:04 AM

    why would you say this out loud as a DC? Especially towards a guy like Manning?

  58. ManningsGiantForeHead says: Jan 28, 2010 10:04 AM

    Way to turn a coach saying absolutely nothing new into some giant QB killing maniac.
    Williams comes out and says that they want to hit Manning often and hard which is what EVERY NFL team wants to do to the opposing QB.
    Then the line that everyone is getting so worked up over:
    “And the only thing you’d like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again.”
    Greg Williams isn’t saying he wants to knock Manning out of the game he is saying that he knows that’s what the HOST and MEDIA want him to say. And magically somehow just like he says the media has taken that and turned it into “OMG! THE SAINTS ARE GOING TO TRY TO TAKE POOR PEYTON MANNING OUT OF THE GAME!!!!”

  59. saintpaul25 says: Jan 28, 2010 10:05 AM

    Sounds more to me like their are a bunch of “haters”, on these responses. Favre takes out a guys knees in a preseason game, and we are the dirty players huh? Don’t like the Saints, PLEASE. The last thing we want are a bunch of whiny a$$ babies like you guys wearing our colors anyway. It’s football. Leave your freaking skirts at the door, ya pu$$y$.

  60. purpleguy says: Jan 28, 2010 10:07 AM

    Hey, when your defense sucks, what else can you do but pound on the QB and hope for a few turnovers. It worked in the Vikes game, maybe it will work in the Super Bowl.

  61. DuluthFan says: Jan 28, 2010 10:09 AM

    Classy fans…and now a classy coach. You “Saints” must be proud.
    Even the head of NLF officials said it was a missed Roughing the Passer call that would have negated Favre’s first interception..and probably his second, as well.
    I hope something comes of this…after the stupidity that just spew out of your DC’s pie hole.

  62. Pervy Harvin says: Jan 28, 2010 10:09 AM

    What is a better representation of the trashiness of New Orleans than the dirty play of the New Orleans Saints? Seriously, the Saints game plan from the smug Sean Payton was to injure Favre—obviously, the sucky Saints defense wasn’t going to stop Favre legitimately. (I wonder how well the New Orleans Saints will do against outstanding quarterback Peyton Manning? My guess is not so good since there are fewer chances to hit Colts quarterback Manning than Vikings quarterback Favre.)
    The proof of just how dirty the Saints played was the personal foul penalties and just plain cheap shots on legendary quarterback Brett Favre. There is no place in the NFL for this type of behavior. It is a shame that the Super Bowl will see a team so unworthy of being there.
    To call New Orleans Sodom in the South would be to insult Sodom. The city embraces the Saints because the Saints are a true reflection of everything wrong with New Orleans. The only cheap trick not used by the Saints was the chop block. But there is always time to perfect that during the by-week. The Saints will probably need that weapon to have a shot against the Colts.

  63. Mook says: Jan 28, 2010 10:10 AM

    As a Colts fan, I’m surprised to see all these positive comments about the team. What is it now, 6 straight 12+ win seasons and they’re finally getting a little respect? I’m surprised the media isn’t talking incessantly about the Pats. Yes, they are beatable and watching them has taken years off my life, but they’re still a good and classy team. Thank you for your support and Go Colts!!

  64. InBBwetrust says: Jan 28, 2010 10:10 AM

    As a Pats fan and having been on both ends, Manning and Rothlisberger probably handle hits the best because of their size and toughness.
    I think you are reaching here, yes everyone wants t knock the QB out. When was the last time Manning was??hmmmm right.
    But I do think you have to rush him and move him to make him less effective, which saddly is still pretty darn good.
    But hey Brees is good, so I just hope for good weather not another soupbowl!!!
    Go Patriots!!

  65. tombrookshire says: Jan 28, 2010 10:12 AM

    Already sounds like the Saints are on the ropes and we’ve not even made to SB week. With the story about two game plans, and trying to knock Manning around and rattle him, I think the Saints already know that unless they play error-free, that the Colts will hang two or three scores on them early and make them play catchup, panic football, which in that case, will assure the Colts that they have already won the game. It sounds like in the war of nerves, the Colts already have an advantage, when you have the coaches talking scared.

  66. Leviathan says: Jan 28, 2010 10:14 AM

    Florio this is football.
    Not green tea in the break room with the paralegals.

  67. fanoffootball says: Jan 28, 2010 10:15 AM

    I, like others, can not imagine how someone like Gregg Williams is allowed to have a job in the NFL when he gives interviews saying he wants to purposely injury other players.

  68. Floyd the Barber says: Jan 28, 2010 10:19 AM

    HEY Big Earl –
    We’re all going to enjoy watching the Aint’s getting dismantled piece by piece.
    I hope the Colts break Brees’ bones.

  69. fuel52 says: Jan 28, 2010 10:23 AM

    The quotes by Gregg Williams are taken out of context. Listen to the interview before you spew your hatred people.

  70. stairway27 says: Jan 28, 2010 10:23 AM

    # Jets474 says: January 28, 2010 9:01 AM
    I hope Manning picks them apart, and that brees and bush end up getting carted off.
    *********************************************************
    Me too! Give those dirty bastards a taste of their own medicine! Go Colts!

  71. saintpaul25 says: Jan 28, 2010 10:23 AM

    Yeah, the Vikings are so much better than the Saints. That’s why that stout defense couldn’t stop them from driving down the field, and scoring a field goal, to win the game. Oh yeah, and how about turning it over what, five times in the redzone? I’m sure that had nothing to do with it either. Or how about throwing the ball across your body, towards the middle of the field? Junior High QBs know not to do that, but your 40 year old veteran did not. Excuses, excuses, excuses…. You guys sound like a bunch of old ladies. Call us whatever you want, don’t care. We’re in, and your team isn’t. Hate all you want.

  72. techn9ne says: Jan 28, 2010 10:23 AM

    Pushing50:
    “He never would have survived 10 or 20 years ago.”
    Manning 10 years ago: 13-3. over 4000 yards. won division. 1st round bye.
    Better push your date that defenses were better back a few more years.

  73. Pervy Harvin says: Jan 28, 2010 10:24 AM

    My above post aimed at New Orleans people shooting down MN. Sure some good people there.
    Take Notice NFL-The Vikings will be back stronger than ever with Favre. There is Who Dey…there is Who Dat….
    We are unleashing WHO DEM WHO DEM.Those the Vikings all will say! That who DEM

  74. samiam_74 says: Jan 28, 2010 10:24 AM

    Granted I’m a vikings fan but I went into this game with the feeling that hey we did good to get here I have nothing against the saints let the better team win. I even went onto the yahoo message boards and said that whoever won I would be rooting for in the superbowl.
    After watching the game then then reading this nothing could be further from the truth. Just like wiliams claims he will intentionally try to injure manning thats exactly what he did to favre. They went out and time and time again tried to hurt him with late hits cheap hits probably stepped on his hand if they got the chance. If they do that to manning he’s no favre he wont’ get back up and the saints will have their win.
    Im not even going to go into the to ref calls that was probably the worst officiating I have ever seen in all the years I’ve watched football. I even told my wife after that many turnovers we didn’t deserve to win but that doesn’t change the fact that there were that many bad calls. I can see 1 maybe even 2 but 3 or more in a 5-7 minute time frame is just too much to swallow.
    so moral of the story I now have 0 respect for these so called saints. People are saying that karma is what cost the vikigns due to the cowboy game I hope you get yours.
    Go Colts
    you better make them pay if they hit manning late.

  75. 504boy17th says: Jan 28, 2010 10:24 AM

    I watched both of the Saints’ playoff games and saw nothing dirty about the hits on Warner and Favre. Everyone cries about protecting the QBs too much with the new rules, but when they get pounded everyone wants to cry about the hits being “dirty”. The low hit on Favre was a result of McCray being blocked and him stumbling into Favre’s legs trying to make a play.
    Name one defensive coordinator in the NFL that doesn’t want to rattle the opposing QB by putting pressure on him. He is from the old school and a Buddy Ryan guy. This is football and QBs can get hit, it doesn’t matter what their status is. If Dwight Freeney has a clean run at Brees he wont pull up………………Camon this is football!

  76. ampo says: Jan 28, 2010 10:24 AM

    Florio, you twisted William’s words. He said, “And the only thing you’d like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again.” He’s talking to someone here, someone he expects wants a sound bite from him to do exactly what you did, imply he’s out to injure qb’s.
    Besides that, when in today’s NFL do you NOT see calls for roughing the passer, etc. EVERY team is out to hit the QB. The saints are not unique here.

  77. 504boy17th says: Jan 28, 2010 10:26 AM

    I agree fuel52, these dummies didn’t read the article, they read the title.

  78. smiley says: Jan 28, 2010 10:36 AM

    It’s called football…it’s a violent sport. The two best teams in the NFL….may the best team win. Hail!

  79. cy farnsworth says: Jan 28, 2010 10:39 AM

    i think it’s funny that many of the same posters defending williams are the ones who constantly rip on rex ryan for his comments to the media.
    if ryan had suggested that the jets want to injure manning then it wouldve been an international incident

  80. RobF2010 says: Jan 28, 2010 10:39 AM

    “And the only thing you’d like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again.”
    Gregg Williams knew exactly what the interviewer was trying to get him to say and you clowns are acting like he actually did say it.

  81. Zaggs says: Jan 28, 2010 10:42 AM

    What Williams says or doesn’t say is immaterial. Just watching their games you know they’re trying to hurt the opposing teams QB’s. Of course the league has been so busy kissing New Orleans’s ass since Katrina they choose to look the other way. All the better when Peyton torches their asses. Because in case no one has noticed its kinda hard to take a Manning out of a game.

  82. Stetson wears panties says: Jan 28, 2010 10:42 AM

    OH I forgot.
    Pushing50.
    Nice to meet you dumb ass.

  83. greenbaygamera says: Jan 28, 2010 10:42 AM

    I don’t take the Saints seriously now. They do play dirty football and that deserves no respect. Being tough and physical is fine, but not playing dirty. If you look throughout this past season, the Saints got very lucky to win some of those games. To their credit they capitalized on other teams mistakes. Any Saints fan trying to defend dirty play is delusional. Most teams don’t try and injure the opposing QB, they do. You guys are setting the table for cheap shots against your precious Brees. You won’t beat the Colts anyways. Screw the Saints and their fans.

  84. DAS says: Jan 28, 2010 10:43 AM

    To all the Pansy’s out there complaining about “Cheap Shots” or “Late Hits” by the Saints defense and referring to them as “Cheaters”. Have you ever actually PLAYED FOOTBALL. All of the hits on Favre were perfectly legal, with the exception of the Hi-Low. Even the hit as he was continuing the pass fake on the hand-off, was legal, yet they threw a 15 yd penalty flag on that one. So whine and cry that they didn’t throw one on the hi-low. Boo Friggin Whoo… You turned the ball over 5 times, 5 times!!!! potentially it could have been 8 times, but you got lucky on three fumbles. You want to win, control the football. If Manning thinks he’s going to hold onto the ball against the Saints as long as he did against the Jets, he’s gonna be pummeled, as well he should be. Don’t want to get hit, play soccer.

  85. Saints1804 says: Jan 28, 2010 10:43 AM

    These comments amuse me. First all of like most of Florio’s filth the comments were taken out of context.
    Secondly no one all year made any mention of the Saints being dirty until they beat up on the poster boy Brett Favre. They knocked Warner around and there was one roughing the passer penalty when Scott Shanle’s hand grazed Warner’s facemask.
    There was only one questionable hit on Brett Favre in that game and it was caused by Loadholt pushing Bobby McCray into Brett Favres legs. The refs coddled Brett Favre the entire game.
    If any of you hypocrites and Colts fans watched the Colts/Jets game the same thing happened. The Colts took a major cheapshot on Mark Sanchez completely decleating him on a run play when he was no where near the play. I don’t hear anything about the Colts being dirty.
    To those of you who think you know the Saints defense and see the 25th rank you need to learn yourself on a few things. Go look at the stats that matter. Takeaways, opposing passer rating, redzone defense etc. Peyton Manning had 16 interceptions. Drew Brees only 9. Manning isn’t immune to throwing picks and no one was better than the Saints at getting them. The Saints secondary is alot better than the Jets when it comes to the players and they won’t get beat as easily.
    Peyton Manning is not going to light the Saints up. The plan vs the Vikings was to blitz and prevent the big plays. That’s what they did. The Vikings dinked and dunked their way to 475 yards.
    They forced those turnovers. The Saints also had an off day on offense and still scored 31 points. They will smash the Colts and their overrated defense. The only team the Colts faced all year with an offense somewhat similar to the Saints was the Patriots and the Patriots scored 34 points and had 477 yards.
    The Saints are going to demolish the Colts you heard it here first.

  86. scra22 says: Jan 28, 2010 10:47 AM

    All of you are taking Florio’s assumptions as gospel. You should know better than that. He is always trying to stir up crap.
    Florio is the one who uses the word “injure.” But play right into his hands, go ahead.
    And for those of you saying you hope Brees gets carted off the field, you are NO better than what you think Williams is. Idiots.

  87. Reptar says: Jan 28, 2010 10:48 AM

    Stetson wears panties says: January 28, 2010 9:53 AM
    Gregg Williams fat fuzzy head try this against Peyton when he was with the Redskins when they nearly broke Manning in half.
    Ask Gregg how that turned out for him. He got torched in the 2nd half.
    ——————————
    This. I remember that game. Two Redskins bent Manning in half well after the pass was thrown and kept trying to twist him. The Colts actually had to take a timeout so he could get his head straight. Once he did, he returned to the field and promptly kicked the Redskins’ asses.

  88. zji8bek says: Jan 28, 2010 10:50 AM

    If you listen too the interview it doesn’t come accross as bad as it does in text, but it also isn’t a commentary on the media. It said it in a joking manner but he still said it.

  89. BenRapistberger says: Jan 28, 2010 10:50 AM

    “If it happens, it happens. And the only thing you’d like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again.”
    Instead of just quoting the second half of the sentence when you tried to uncover his meaning, re-read the whole thing and stop trying to turn the context into something it’s not. He was saying IF Manning gets hurt, he gets hurt, he’s NOT trying to coach his team to hurt or not hurt. Then there’s the whole ‘AND THE ONLYTHING YOU’D LIKE FOR ME TO SAY IS…’. He’s not saying he wants to hurt Manning, he’s saying when they asked him a question regarding the possibility of Manning getting hurt if they hit him the way they hit Warner/Favre, that’s the answer they were hoping he’d give, but it’s NOT what he’s trying to do.

  90. Billy-bob says: Jan 28, 2010 10:57 AM

    A few comments:
    1. The most effective defenses against the Colts this year have concentrated on covering the receivers. If you can’t cover the receivers, well, don’t bother to blitz, because you’re just going to make things worse and lose by 17 points instead of 10.
    2. You always want to sack the quarterback. Hits on a quarterback are just the result of a sack that nearly happened, else it’s a foul. Manning, unlike Favre, protects himself when the play isn’t there by hitting the deck. He probably knows faster than any quarterback in the NFL when there’s nobody open and the play is wasted. Manning really does believe the truism, “Sometimes a punt is a good play.” If Favre thought that way, we’d be talking about a Colts-Vikings Super Bowl.
    3. Gregg Williams didn’t actually say “we want to cheap shot Manning” but, he was stupid to let words escape his lips that could be easily misinterpreted by sportswriters everywhere. This is odd, since he once was a head coach – he should know better.

  91. indy12 says: Jan 28, 2010 10:58 AM

    2 things here….
    first of all, the late hit on favre in my book was not a late hit. McCray hit him because he was carrying out a fake on a boot leg. Of course they want to get into his head early and often, what team wouldn’t. When I played, we were expected to light up a quarterback when he faked a boot leg much like Queen Sheeba Favre was.
    Also, I can’t remember exactly what had happened on the drive prior to the low hit on Favre but there was a bologna call that extended the drive after a failed 3rd down conversion. Karma sucks! And yes, the guy got his legs but being pushed down along with his momentum around the corner is what made the hit low. It wasn’t to intentionally hurt old guy.
    NOW on the topic of the write-up….
    Like I said before, what coach/team doesn’t want to get to the quarterback early and often with aggression? You’d be ridiculous to think otherwise, particularly when the guy is the caliber of Manning. I don’t see that the Saints or Williams are planning to hurt Peyton. If it happens, its better for them but they just want him to know they’re there and its going to be an all day thing. Bruised and Battered would be appropriate. If that results in Peyton hurrying a few throws like Favre did then the Saints have done their job.
    You guys are blowing the statements out of proportion on all levels.
    I expect a good game from two very similar teams with two great quarterbacks. It should be fun.

  92. kartell says: Jan 28, 2010 11:01 AM

    Wow. It surely doesn’t take much to get people upset these days. I think most of you need to re-read the quote and perhaps lay off the caffeine a bit.
    And to Pervy Harvin:
    Sabre rattling with the Colts backers will not put the Vikings in the Super Bowl. Get over it. Your team lost. Not trying to be cocky about it. It’s just over. Maybe next year. The city of New Orleans never did anything to you. Your team should’ve won, but your starting RB and QB kept giving the Saints the ball back. Yes, the Saints should have won by more than 3 points with that many turnovers, but they didn’t nor was it necessary. The only thing that mattered was the score at the end of the game: 31-28 Saints. You should be pointing all your anger and energy at Adrain Peterson and Brett Favre and whoever’s responsible for 12 men in the huddle.

  93. dsb says: Jan 28, 2010 11:08 AM

    Officially off the Saint’s bandwagon. Injure the other teams QB… great plan to win a game!

  94. stadanko says: Jan 28, 2010 11:08 AM

    Wow Florio. Just wow. You are the absolute worst at taking things out of context, putting words in peoples mouths, and then blowing it WAY out of proportion. He clearly said “And the only thing you’d like for me to say is” before talking about Manning getting injured. The you he’s referring to is obviously the media. He’s saying IF he said that, the media would have a field day. Of course why would you let facts and logic like Terry Bradshaw being alive slow down a beautifully manufactured story. And then all the crybaby Vikings fans can flood the comments with how dirty the Saints are.

  95. MoThePro22 says: Jan 28, 2010 11:09 AM

    He’s not saying he wants to hurt Manning, he’s saying when they asked him a question regarding the possibility of Manning getting hurt if they hit him the way they hit Warner/Favre, that’s the answer they were hoping he’d give, but it’s NOT what he’s trying to do.
    –uhhhhh, right. its definitely what hes trying to do if hes ok with taking 15 yard penalties and giving the guy remember me shots. as far as i can remember, ive never seen a coach whos fine with taking a 5 yd penalty let alone a 15 yarder. and in order to make a player hurt and not play in the superbowl especially if they are of mannings caliber…those ‘remember me’ shots wont be regular late hits and hope it hurts him, they will be low shots, high shots, and driving him into the ground. be honest with urself …its what you and every team wants to do to manning when they play him.
    nola, what a fluke…after they lose we can finally stop hearing deuce.

  96. hotpepper says: Jan 28, 2010 11:13 AM

    “When you put too much of that type of worry on a warrior’s mind, he doesn’t play all out. If it happens it happens… and the only thing you’d like for, for me to say, is that if it happens then you hope doesn’t play again”
    I listened to this interview, and just to clarify…He was asked if he worried about in a big game like this, that the refs would try to protect these big name QB’s. — And if he is afraid of his players getting called for some of the “protecting the QB penalties” calls like hands to the face, late hits….even if he thinks they are not warranted.
    The”warriors” are actually Saints players, not Peyton, and the “if it happens, it happens” refers to the Saints getting called for protecting the QB penalties, not Peyton being knocked out of the game.
    You read: “Williams trying to injure Manning”
    and the quotes lead you believe he is refering to injuring Manning, when he’s really talking about penalties.
    The question posed should have been quoted too. I don’t care either way, but it’s this type of omission that sends people into orbit.

  97. FUNSHIPM174 says: Jan 28, 2010 11:19 AM

    The saints won’t get near Manning…period. Manning will pick apart that division AA defense like it is a high school team.
    Greg Williams has no other choice but to hurt two 40 year old Q.B.s. Well Greg, this is Manning and you better be dropping 7 guys into coverage every play to even have a shot at winning.
    Oh, you want to blitz? Manning is the number one q.b. in the league vs the blitz.
    BYE BYE SAINTS!
    Colts -37
    Aints- 17

  98. jk7761 says: Jan 28, 2010 11:20 AM

    Can someone please knock that mud off of Brees’s face.

  99. Pervy Harvin says: Jan 28, 2010 11:23 AM

    kartell – I actually love New Orleans! Seen more titties there than any one time in my life. Love the food and booze too. I’m not mad at anyone,football is just a game.I’m the type that rattles the gorrillas cage at the zoo to piss him off! Get it? Really don’t care who wins the SB and I hope there is some hard hits. I am a Jack Tatum fan.

  100. DocBG says: Jan 28, 2010 11:23 AM

    Floyd the Barber says: January 28, 2010 9:36 AM
    One of the things that bothered me about the Vikings loss is that they didn’t exact more revenge on the dirty play Brees by breaking his girlie bones.
    Oh well, something to look forward to next year
    ——————————————————
    Bingo, Hopefully every team watching that game saw the over the top cheap and late hits, and will pound the estrogen out of brees. The aints have no idea what they’ve opened up with the late hits, but it will come back.
    Colts by 20

  101. saintpaul25 says: Jan 28, 2010 11:23 AM

    And here’s one more thing to think about, the Refs have every right, to throw a player out of a game, if they believe a hit is malicious, or intent on causing harm. I don’t remember anyone getting thrown out of either the Cards, or the Vikings game. As far as injuries to QBs go, I don’t wanna hear it. Drew Brees wasn’t ever supposed to play football again, and look where he is now. And not once did he come out crying about late hits, or malicious intent. He took it like a man, and did what he had to do, to come back. If you don’t like violent sports, then maybe you should try figure skating, or gymnastics. Football doesn’t seem to be your thing.

  102. JJ says: Jan 28, 2010 11:26 AM

    I’m a Packer fan and as you know, can’t stand the Vikes, but by the end of the game, was cheering for them. This article only confirmed my thoughts during that game…DIRTY SAINTS. How does it feel to get to the Superbowl on poor officiating and DIRTY defense. Tackling a QB is one thing, but trying to hurt him so he doesn’t get back up and ultimately end his career is a whole different game…sick of hearing people say “it’s football”, BS! We have rules in FB, and it they aren’t going to be followed, why have refs? Saints proved this is the only way they can get there…not by talent. The Vikes have true talent on their team…and yes this was hard for me to admitt…look at the stats of this game and poor calls and late hits…should be the Favre against Manning. I have no respect for the Saints at all. I’m so glad Favre came back out and showed them what’s up…their jaws dropped when he came back out. And for the record, Favre got beat up but never got sacked once! ALL LATE AND DIRTY HITS! Go COLTS!!

  103. shallowfan says: Jan 28, 2010 11:30 AM

    If Gregg Williams wants his guys to hit Manning fine, that’s their job. If he wants his guys to intentionally injury Manning last time i checked that is criminal, whether it’s on a football field or not.
    Hard legal hits are no problem, but to intentionally go after a player…no place for that in the NFL.

  104. wwwmattcom says: Jan 28, 2010 11:30 AM

    If you read the quote and know what kind of a coach Williams is, you know that the thought of manning not getting back up was already implanted in his head. Williams is crazy.
    Coaches coach to illegally hit QB’s or not to illegally hit QB’s, but ultimately it is the player who has to do it.
    Do the Saints players have the smarts to already know they have to take Manning out? Yes, they do. What G. Williams says doesn’t matter, his players are perfectly capable of taking out Manning with or without their master telling them to.
    Peyton is good though. He knows when the hit is about to happen, he’ll avoid it. Brees is the same way.
    Pulling for the Colts, Saints are too cocky.

  105. scra22 says: Jan 28, 2010 11:30 AM

    Here is Williams’ quote:
    AND THE ONLY THING YOU’D LIKE ME TO SAY IS that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again.”
    Way to take him out of context, put words in his mouth, and stir up a bunch of junk, Florio.

  106. gopher says: Jan 28, 2010 11:33 AM

    Williams was just telling the truth, a 15 yard walkoff is nothing if it is even called but if it knocks out Manning he thinks it would be worth it and since he wants to win it is worth it. The problem I see with that Williams does not play the game which means the other team can do the same thing to his qb. The Super Bowl would really be something if the backups had to play.

  107. BigRon says: Jan 28, 2010 11:33 AM

    Please… this is the AFC. The Saints like to talk big but the fact is they know the AFC is far superior to the NFC. Reality is they dont have a chance. Manning will torch them. Don’t forget the Colts pass rush is by far better than the Saints. You really want to give them the OK for some cheap shots??

  108. fuel52 says: Jan 28, 2010 11:36 AM

    indy12…post of the day, level headed and intelligent…

  109. saintpaul25 says: Jan 28, 2010 11:37 AM

    Yeah, 2 good playoff runs in our HISTORY, and the refs calls in the dome are “suspect”. You guys not only don’t know football, you have no idea about the Saints either. What? You watched the NFCCG, and now you are experts on a team, that you’ve done nothing but ridicule your entire lives? This must be a comedy thread, with some of the crap I’ve read on here. “Dirty players”, “Dirty plays”, the only thing “dirty” on here, are the diapers you guys are wearing, while your whining like a bunch of babies. Also ironic, that MOST of this drivel, is coming from Vikings fans! Imagine that! Not biased at all are you? Your team lays a turd of a game, throwing out turnovers, like they are getting paid to do so, and it’s “The Saints played dirty to win, that’s the only way.” The Vikings played a crap game, when they got in the redzone, ALL DAY LONG. Get over it. You are disrespecting your own team, by coming up with these BS excuses. They played a great game, and THEY LOST. And here’s a newsflash for the rest of you, that “aren’t Vikings fans”, the Saints have been waiting since 67′ to goto the Superbowl! Do you really think we care whether or not you root for us? Do you really think we want any sympathy from you about Katrina, or anything else? We are in the Superbowl…. true Saints fans don’t care, nor need your support! If we win, we have a Lombardi, that’s all we care about. NEXT?

  110. Popeye says: Jan 28, 2010 11:37 AM

    fining coaches? STFU…..a player doesnt have to take a cheap shit just because his coach tells him too,…the coach should be fired and not allowed to coach again if it results in an injury to the opposing player…….eff the saints…they are over rated anyway
    manning 400 yards and 5 TDs

  111. BigEasy says: Jan 28, 2010 11:38 AM

    Who wouldn’t want to see Curtis Painter in the game, but this is football and the object is to hit the QB….so with that being said…I’m sure the cracker jack refs will have their hands in the pocket on the snap just waitng to throw a roughing the pu$$y penalty on the Saints!
    Although Manning will probably drop like a baby before they even get there!!!

  112. Gunny D says: Jan 28, 2010 11:40 AM

    I cannot believe the hate and vile coming from NFL fans. Lighten up folks….it’s only a game!

  113. Tyler says: Jan 28, 2010 11:42 AM

    I guarantee, the game will end in broken bones and fight, if these bastards from NO do this.

  114. saintpaul25 says: Jan 28, 2010 11:42 AM

    You know what, after the way Green Bay, and Minnesota played in the play offs, if I was a fan of either team? I would be rooting for the Colts too. Now take your Favre jerseys off, and put them away.

  115. CaptainFantastik says: Jan 28, 2010 11:43 AM

    It’s obvious the majority of people posting on this thread weren’t watching football in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s. These hits were common place in a time where the game wasn’t a watered down, pansified, shell of its former self. What was a legal hit 10 years ago that elicited “Ooohs” and “Aaaahs”…….now elicits pathetic cries of “cheapshot!” and “Dirty player!”. Every single one of you that typed some stupid shit like that…….stop watching football. Right now. You are the lowest common denominator in the NFL fanbase.

  116. Thorpie says: Jan 28, 2010 11:44 AM

    So, after reading all 90+ comments, it appears that about 6 of you actually read all of the words in the article.
    “If it happens, it happens. And the only thing you’d like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again.”
    GW knows the media loves drama, especially leading up to Superbowl week. He knows when they are trying to bait him.
    As for taking the 15 yard penalties, I think you’re missing the point. He is not, nor would any good coach, tell his guys to lighten up. He wants them to play balls out all game.
    Folks – This site is a business, that needs hits to make ad money. Don’t get all caught up on one Viking fans spin on the article. Go and listen to the link and you’ll get the context.
    Saints a dirty team? Not even close to accurate. A couple questionable calls in 1 game does not make a dirty team. EVERY hit on old man Warner was clean and 100% legit. Just beacuase they are hard, nasty hits on a Qb, does not make them dirty. If it was anyone other than Favre last week, nobody would be talking about them.
    Personally, I like the fact that GW will say publicly what every single defensive co-ordinator says in the locker room. Get to the QB. Hit him hard. If he gets up, hit him harder next time so he stays down. Thats the message from high school, through college and right into the pros. If you think otherwise, you are severely kidding yourself. The goal of any defense is to punish the offense. Period. If this game is getting too rough for you, maybe there is a flag football team you all could follow?

  117. Dougy says: Jan 28, 2010 11:50 AM

    Now that NFL has admitted that Brady-hit on Favre’s knees should have been called (obvious to all but Buck & Chuck Aikman), I would ask when the last time in NFL history there were three (3) roughing-the-passer penalties (let alone legit) had been called on one team in a game. In a half??
    If game was called properly, Vikes win — even with 5 turnovers.

  118. ReadForComprehension says: Jan 28, 2010 11:52 AM

    Holy quoting out of context, Batman! Don’t know what color the sky is in your world, Florio, but quoting a person out of context is a pretty reprehensible thing to do. I really hope you’ll issue an apology to Gregg Williams, but I won’t be holding my breath.
    I didn’t like the hit McCray put on Favre after the handoff, but it can be justified IF McCray thought Farve was moving as to block him. Brees got hit hard after a handoff in that game as well. Happens in tackle football. Agree with others that McCray was pushed into Favre’s legs on the high low. Saw a Colts player hit Sanchez well after a play in the AFC final as well. Happens in tackle football.
    Williams has been quoted out of context and has had words put in his mouth by a football blogger who has been wrong so much picking games this season that it’s a wonder anyone trusts him to say that the sky is blue. But again, it’s not that color in Florio-land.
    Those of you getting fired up by Florio and wishing injury to any NFL player are disgusting hypocrites who need, like Florio, to learn how to read for comprehension.

  119. eballa1 says: Jan 28, 2010 11:53 AM

    Isnt’ this football? Hitting the QB is what the defenses are supposed to do. Is it cheating or dirty to hit the QB? NOPE. Its part of the game. If the refs miss some roughing calls, that’s the refs and the league’s problem. If you are going to play all out to hit the QB, you have to expect that there might be some 15-yard calls. And if that’s the case are you cheating? NOPE. You get the penalty.

  120. XLI says: Jan 28, 2010 11:53 AM

    New Orleans Saints 2009 Defense under Gregg Williams: 25th.
    Choose your words wisely Gregg… 2 g’s?!?

  121. veebr says: Jan 28, 2010 11:54 AM

    indy12, kartell & Billy-bob, beautiful observations. It’s good to see people who actually know football frequent these sites. All you half ass Stans talking “cheapshots” & “dirty hits” and what “woulda “shoulda” “coulda” happened Sunday know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about football. The Vikings didn’t give the game away the Saints caused those turnovers. Stats don’t mean S***.The Colts know about what stats mean to a game when they beat Miami in Miami. And EVERY defense is trying to hit the QB as much & as hard as possible, it’s what your taught the second you put on pads in Pop Warner, High School & College. Do any of you think that The Vikings, or the Cardinals DC or any other DC in the league for that matter are telling their players to pull back on QBs because they might hurt them. It’s FOOTBALL!!!! The way the NFL is going they might as well change the entire way that football is coached. The Colts don’t care nor do they need “bulletin board” material because I’m sure their DC is telling his guys to do the same thing.

  122. sportsnut_21 says: Jan 28, 2010 11:56 AM

    This doesnt surprise me one bit. The way the saints play football is cheap. I am a Vikings fan and after the way they played they did not deserve to win, but the way the saints play is dirty and should not be allowed. there was one play in particular that a Saint Defensive player went low on brett favre and hit him at the knees. If I remember right, there is a rule against this because of what happened to Tom Brady last year. Should have been a 15 yard penalty. Jared Allen got called and fined for this same hit last year numberous times. The only difference was that Jared Allen was blocked to the ground into the QBs knees. He did not willingly go into his knees. But then again, the Saints player was not named Jared Allen so he will not get the same fine or penalty that Jared got.

  123. Boudin says: Jan 28, 2010 11:57 AM

    Pervy Harvin says:
    “The only cheap trick not used by the Saints was the chop block.”
    perhaps Brett Favre can give us some crack block lessons…

  124. AutumnWind999 says: Jan 28, 2010 11:57 AM

    What did the Saints do to the Vikings or Cardinals that was so dirty. I believe there was one semi-legitimate unnecessary roughness call over the course of both games (the one when Favre handed the ball off in the first half). There was the other roughing penalty which was a joke and even Troy Aikman — a former QB who had his career cut short by concussions — said it was a joke.
    Against the Cardinals Warner got crushed after throwing an INT and trying to make a tackle. Newsflash: In tackle football, it’s 100% legal to block guys trying to make the tackle — even if they’re a QB.
    The rest of the time I’ve seen the Saints applying pressure and hitting QBs hard but legally either a split second before or a split second after they let go of the ball.

  125. PurpleRaid12 says: Jan 28, 2010 11:59 AM

    The Saints will win, thanks to Katrina. and that isn’t anything disrespectful… You’re telling me all those penalties on Minnesota and the late hits and the cheap shots, that weren’t being called against the Saints?! On the offensive side, the Saints have some good players, but the D is full of thugs and cheap shot artists.

  126. scomibord says: Jan 28, 2010 12:13 PM

    I’ll bet that 90% of the negative comments are from ViQueen fans that still having lost the NFC Championship game. Have your stats got you to the Superbowl yet???? They don’t even read the post. Just whine about late hits, dirty play. They leave important facts out, like 200+ Special teams yardage, the fact that they fumbled the ball as many times as the amount of yardage they gained on Offense. The bullshit calls that went their way aren’t mentioned. The dirty hits that they executed. Wah…wah…wah!! Prepare for next years with Sage & Tavaris. Hahahahahahahahahahahahah

  127. JP77040 says: Jan 28, 2010 12:15 PM

    Before I heard these commits, I was neutral on this game. Now I hope Drew Brees gets a career ending injury and this fool Dennis Miller knows it was his fault.
    He obviously does not watch the AFC or see the kind of protection Peyton Manning gets – not just from his line but from the referees. My team plays Indianapolis twice a year, and believe me, when you even breathe on him late you get flagged.

  128. JJ says: Jan 28, 2010 12:18 PM

    If it wasn’t for the turnovers, poor officiating and dirty defense, the Vikes would have kicked the crap out of the Saints! Even with all that on the Saints side plus home advantage, they still only won by 3 points after the refs marched them down the field. Actually, I will take the dirty defense part back because Favre shook it off and played right through it. If the Vikes were to play the Saints again (after they wipe the butter off of their fingers)…easy win.

  129. ManningsGiantForeHead says: Jan 28, 2010 12:19 PM

    “all those penalties on Minnesota”
    Minn: 5 penalties 32 yards
    NO: 9 penalties 88 yards
    Yeah Minnesota got screwed there.
    Go back and watch the game. There is a time when after Brees hands off the ball he is smacked by a defender but guess what? No little yellow flag but for Favre one comes flying out immediately. Then later in the game maybe in OT their is a play where a Minnesota defender hits Drew Brees after the throw and Brees gets driven into the ground (just like the Favre one that got flagged that even Aikman thought was a bad call) causing Brees’ helmet to almost fly off, but again no flag anywhere to be seen. So if the Saints are a “dirty” team then Vikings are just as “dirty” and “cheap shot artists”.

  130. dave says: Jan 28, 2010 12:19 PM

    i could see a saint intentionally going after peyton’s knee
    they would be the king of new orleans, it would be worth their suspension in their mind

  131. BigEasy says: Jan 28, 2010 12:26 PM

    I love the Viqueen LOSERS still trolling around this site crying their purple tears….waiting for Florio to post the next pathetic article on why the Viqueens lost!!!……wah! wah! wah! wah!……………..why you all get together, listen to Prince, and go ice down Favre’s balls with Florio and…………………… SHUT THE PHUCK UP!!!
    YOU LOST…YOUR 2ND BEST IN THE NFC….GO HOME…TAKE YOUR BALL WITH YOU…SEE YOU NEXT YEAR!!!!!

  132. pakrguru says: Jan 28, 2010 12:31 PM

    It sure is great to listen to Queens fans complain about the lack of penalties on the Saints last weekend. Especially when you consider the fact that only 3 were called on Minniehaha, less than 1/2 of what were called against New Orleans.
    Here’s a little nugget for ya on this one though. I’m willing to bet every single last ViQueen fan on here would have loved to have seen Favre get knocked out of the game with just over 2 minutes left. That means he wouldn’t have been able to throw late across his body….across the middle to the dude in the wrong colored jersey. And…that being the case, shouldn’t you be ashamed for saying you’d wish the (non) opposing QB got knocked out?
    Et tu, Viqueenhead?
    PS…Real men don’t wear purple, nor do they wear braids.
    PPS….sportsnut…you’ve got it COMPLETELY backwards. Allen not only went after Matt Schaub’s knees…he did it TWICE in the same game, right after saying he’d do it. With the new rules, MulletMan would be taking a seat for quite some time thanks to Goodell.
    In the NFCCG, the Saints player was pushed to the ground by WhatabigfatLoadholt, driving him right into Favre’s knees.

  133. Griffin says: Jan 28, 2010 12:31 PM

    If this is how the Saints plan on winning the game then they deserve to lose.

  134. Rip says: Jan 28, 2010 12:33 PM

    Good grief, all of you morons calling the Saints dirty and hoping that Brees has a career ending injury are both illiterate and pathetic. Since you obviously can’t read, listen to the interview and you will see that the author of this blog has taken his comments completely out of context to stir up drama.
    Didn’t he take some radio announcer’s comments about Farve out of context a few days back, and got called on it by said announcer?

  135. ManningsGiantForeHead says: Jan 28, 2010 12:34 PM

    “Before I heard these commits, I was neutral on this game. Now I hope Drew Brees gets a career ending injury and this fool Dennis Miller knows it was his fault.”
    Your swayed by a hack job article that everyone has pointed out is taken out of context and now your wishing injury on a player.? Awesome. So this makes you better than what GW “supposedly” said in which way now?

  136. tryagain says: Jan 28, 2010 12:35 PM

    get em gregg.
    some of you need to have your mommy change your diapers or give you a paci perhaps, but this is football. players get hit and peyton should be given just as many hits as the next guy, maybe even more since he’s considered the best. if you’re really the best, you can take the heat.
    p.s. i hope he goes down and i’m not talking about on kenny c.

  137. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Jan 28, 2010 12:37 PM

    Greg Williams is absolutely correct.
    The mindset of every defensive player should be to hit their opponent as hard as possible. If you can take a great player out of the game with a legal hit, then by all means do so…as an NFL coach you will have done your job well. And if the great offensive player is tough enough to withstand the hits, but playing a little gunshy…as an NFL defensive coach you will have done your job well.
    In all my years I have never seen a great NFL defense that didn’t both hit hard and intimidate their opponents.

  138. JJ says: Jan 28, 2010 12:38 PM

    http://www.benchwarmersunited.com/wordpress/2010/01/24/great-nfl-officiating-robbery-in-thebig-easy/
    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2628933/vikings_vs_saints_game_embarrasses.html?cat=14

  139. ham1 says: Jan 28, 2010 12:40 PM

    Williams probaby has the whole team sticking pins in a manning voodoo doll daily.

  140. tian says: Jan 28, 2010 12:42 PM

    People are crying about Manning getting calls and propping up the Saints that couldn’t beat a Vikings team that spotted them 6 turnovers in regulation. They had to win it at the Saints home turf, with a field goal in overtime. LOL!
    Now they’re game plan is to hurt the Colts’ quarterback because they don’t want to face him in the game. The Saints’ defensive coordinator is so weak that he might as well put a contract on Peyton. Which just goes to show that the Saints have no answer for Manning while he’s in the game.
    This thread just shows me that you can put your mortgage money on the Colts. The Saints simply have no answer but “Let’s try to hurt Peyton Manning.”
    Nice game plan. Really nice.

  141. IWanttoPunchFloriointheFace says: Jan 28, 2010 12:51 PM

    Well hopefully, the Colts will knock that nasty-ass hairy birthmark off that little punk Brees’ face…eye for an eye, M’fers.
    GO COLTS!!!

  142. Just Drew It! says: Jan 28, 2010 12:52 PM

    –“If it wasn’t for the turnovers, poor officiating and dirty defense, the Vikes would have kicked the crap out of the Saints! Even with all that on the Saints side plus home advantage, they still only won by 3 points after the refs marched them down the field. Actually, I will take the dirty defense part back because Favre shook it off and played right through it. If the Vikes were to play the Saints again (after they wipe the butter off of their fingers)…easy win.”–
    Turnovers were caused by the saints. only one fumbled wasn’t knocked out.
    There was no dirty defense. no hit was actually late. one was called for driving the quarterback after the fact, but the hit was on time. The other play, where people say it was a low hit, was again on time, just low. Last year, that’s a legal play. It can’t be considered dirty if it’s a brand new rule.
    Vikings fans need to get over it. You fumbled 6 times, 5 of which were forced. Your qb threw 2 picks, one at the end of the game. Our offense took care of the ball. That’s why we won. We played better football in the end.

  143. slipkid says: Jan 28, 2010 12:52 PM

    but the saints beat the best team in football already, didnt they?
    i think gw may be playing games anyway. rush 2 or 3 and cover the crap out of everyone. occasionally send a 3rd or 4th rusher, lb, to get peyton.
    and whatever it is, keep modifying. all game.
    and the refs cant protect him (we know they usually do) if he isnt in the game.

  144. Cushing Will Kill You says: Jan 28, 2010 12:52 PM

    Manning and his crew of underrated rookie pass-catchers are going to abuse the Saints.

  145. Jared Allen's Shart Stain says: Jan 28, 2010 12:56 PM

    This comment was not “taken out of context,” he just tapdanced around what everyone who watched the Saints’ last two games was thinking (that wasn’t a fan of NO).
    It definitely looked like the Saints D were playing dirty, and out to hurt beyond the intended scope of the game. Don’t give me that crap about “oh you pussies,” all year long they have been protecting QB’s from late hits, unless it’s the precious Saints. How about a little uniformity in the way you throw laundry??
    I liked the Saints until I actually watched the mindset they employ. I would have loved watching them beat the Colts, but now, I don’t feel like they deserve it.
    It pains me to say this, but: F you Saints, Go Colts.

  146. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Jan 28, 2010 12:56 PM

    Mike Florio said:
    “You hope he doesn’t get back up and play again. (We wonder what Archie thinks about his former team’s objectives?)”
    ____________________________________
    Archie understands the NFL game and the mindset of NFL defenses because, you know, he played it. In an era no less that had rumored knockout payouts and chalk boards that kept track of knocking players out of games…silver and black style.
    Does Archie want to see Peyton injured? Of course not, a stupid innuendo…does Archie understand the NFL game? Does any of this really need to be pointed out here? LOL…

  147. danlinker says: Jan 28, 2010 12:59 PM

    Brees deserves to get smashed, and he will. It’s kind of like throwing high and tight in baseball. Retaliation is fair game. You don’t think the colts d line is formidable? Watch and see.

  148. DAS says: Jan 28, 2010 1:07 PM

    I love all these posers talking about the AFC as if the are the Gods of the football world. The Pats (Pats & Colts best and brightest of the AFC at the time) came into the Colts house and would have won if not for Bellichoke and the 4th and 2 debacle. The Pats had 477 yds of offense. Pats lost 35-34 The Pats also went to the Superdome, two short weeks later and got destroyed by the Saints. Welker = ineffective. Moss = ineffective. Pats lost 38-17. And to the Colts marks talking crap about Freeney and Mathis…LOL Freeney and Mathis better than the front four of the Vikes or even better than Jared Allen alone? Now that’s comedy!
    AFC gets Pwned in this Superbowl by any team in the NFC Playoffs. It just so happens that the dismantlement on this occasion will be by the New Orleans Saints.

  149. The 4th Manning Brother says: Jan 28, 2010 1:11 PM

    With Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis coming, Drew Brees should be the one who’s scared.

  150. fuel52 says: Jan 28, 2010 1:14 PM

    Hey Vikings fans, apparently your own beloved quarterback disagrees with you re: the Saints…comments after NFCCG:
    “I got a lot of respect for their team. You know, if I was on their sideline, i’d be cheering, hooting and hollering and doing whatever it takes to win.”
    “That’s the other thing. I’m going to give them a lot of praise and credit. Well deserved. Sean Payton has done an unbelieveable job.”
    “I would have loved to have represented the NFC but as I told Sean throughout the year, if its not us, I hope it’s you guys. I like their team. I like the way he handles the team. I like Drew Brees. I think he’s a hell of a quarterback. I think he’s a class act. I like all the guys on that team, they’ve done a hell of a job this year. Well deserved.”

  151. Rip says: Jan 28, 2010 1:14 PM

    Shart Stain – yes, it WAS taken out of context. Listen to the question he was asked, and his response was “what YOU (being the host) would LIKE for me to say is……”.
    Good grief.

  152. DAS says: Jan 28, 2010 1:15 PM

    JJ posted two OPINION articles, that obviously he agrees with… LOL. Fail.

  153. scomibord says: Jan 28, 2010 1:20 PM

    “In other words, the NFL should consider fining not only the players when dirty hits are applied to quarterbacks, but also their coaches.”
    What about internet hacks that try to stir up controversy. They should be banned from ever reporting anything on The NFL.
    You are as bad as the Minnesota fans. Favre is out of the playoffs. Get over it.

  154. veebr says: Jan 28, 2010 1:22 PM

    PurpleRaid12 says
    “You’re telling me all those penalties on Minnesota and the late hits and the cheap shots, that weren’t being called against the Saints.”
    All what penalties on the Vikings they only had 5 for 32 yards. The Saints had 9 for 98 . So for you or anyone else to say this game was pre decided is wrong. I think it’s more along the lines of the Vikings CHOKED, CRACKED or whatever you want to call it. It’s nothing new to the season. What makes the Vikings so destined to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl (Other than the fact that Brett Favre is their QB)??? The Saints have been the best team in the NFC for the most part of this season. And for the time that they weren’t the Vikings weren’t either, they had not 1 but 2 opportunities to capitalize on it & they CHOKED TWICE. The refs didn’t give this game to any1. The refs didn’t turn the ball over all those times. If the Vikings would have been at home the calls would have been different. Most of them were questionable anyway MOST CALLS ARE just depends of the crew calling the game & the home team. But I could see why Vikings fans would be extra PO’ed because you had a 1 season window with Favre coming back & they….CHOKED. And to any one who’s still yapping about stats… THE ONLY STAT THAT MATTERS IN ANY SPORT IS THE FINAL SCORE!!!!!!!!!

  155. gwinn1952 says: Jan 28, 2010 1:22 PM

    To me that doesn’t say much about Greg Willams. He rather shorten someones career so he can win a game….nice sportsmanship. What are you teaching the youth of today. Hurt the other guys best player so you can win a game. You gave everything you had at Brett and he kept coming back….one throw a little bit off and you got to go to the SB. Here’s hoping the Colts run up the score on your defense.

  156. mikemcsaint says: Jan 28, 2010 1:22 PM

    It is amazing how many people think they should be playing touch football. I was there in the Dome and there were just as many hits on Brees, one where Ray Edwards drove him hard into the turf and the Ref stood over it and didn’t throw a flag. Haven’t any of you Vikings and Colt fans heard of eye poking under the pile or intentionally twisting a guys ankle when they know it’s sprained. If the league or refs were going to favor anybody it would be Favre. Nothing would have brought the league more attention than a Favre-Manning Superbowl. Viking fans forget the game in the Dome last year when Mike Periera had to call the Saints and apologize for 3 missed calls. Yes 3 missed calls. Stop the crying and focus on AP holding onto the ball when a ball-hawing defense comes for him.

  157. ReadForComprehension says: Jan 28, 2010 1:27 PM

    Here’s what Williams had to say about Manning:
    “This guy’s got a great clock in his head. The big thing is that he throws the ball so early that we’re going to have to do a good job of finding ways to get to him and when we do get to him we’re going to have to make sure he gets a couple ‘remember me’ shots when we get there …”
    “Every game is different and every series is different. I do believe that the more information you’re able to collect on styles of offenses, on people, and all those years of going against him [are] helpful for me. But more importantly, I can reduce the clutter for our players, because you don’t chase ghosts. Because I understand what he is and what he wants to do. It’s really pretty easy in theory; it’s hard in application.”
    “He’s such a tremendous football player at how he throws the tight throws in, he makes you be exact. One of the real positives I’m going to have to say is that that’s our everyday routine down here. When you’re playing against, in practice, as good a quarterback in practice as Drew Brees is, it forces you to be more exact, it forces you to have to play at a higher level in practice …”
    “We’re going to have to mix up zone, we’re going to have to mix up pressure, we’re going to have to mix up man and we’re going to have to do as much as we can to make Peyton figure it out after the ball is snapped as before the ball is snapped. So it’s going to be an interesting chess match. Our guys are going to play hard, I know that …”
    And the capper:
    Asked if after a game that included a couple of controversial hits on Brett Favre he would talk to his defense about the potential for calls protecting Manning, he said:
    “Here’s the deal. When you put too much of that type of worry on a warrior’s mind, he doesn’t play all out. If it happens, it happens. And the only thing you’d like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again.”

  158. geogibso says: Jan 28, 2010 1:30 PM

    Sounds like the Saints are taking after the Thug Life in New Orleans that spent the aftermath of Katrina looting electronics and jewelery stores…

  159. ReadForComprehension says: Jan 28, 2010 1:33 PM

    Listen for yourself. Don’t trust Florio’s take. Use your head, think for yourself, don’t be one of the sheeple!
    Scroll down, middle right of the page.
    http://1045thezone.com/sectional.asp?id=36333

  160. whatajokethissiteis says: Jan 28, 2010 1:35 PM

    This is pretty sad when the only way a team can win is by dirty playing and get by with it. So sad to think you can hurt someone pay a small penatly and call it a fair win, something should be done about this team thinking that is there goal to take out QB to win.

  161. awoods1906 says: Jan 28, 2010 1:46 PM

    Absolutely amazing. Never heard anything so crazy as some of these comments. Especially by people who haven’t watched many Saints games.
    I think around week 12 we were be labeled as finesse. We weren’t tough, we didn’t really hit, blah, blah, blah. Now we dismantle the Cardinals and beat the Vikes and we are dirty.
    First there was nothing “dirty” during the Cardinals game. The Kurt Warner hit was a hit that every Defensive player says they will do on a turn over. If you paid attention to football you would have seen this occur all over the league – not just in New Orleans.
    The Vikings game was a very aggressive gameplan and it was clear that the Def was locked on to Brett Favre and wanted to hit him every time they could. I am pretty sure that is a fairly standard strategy against the better QB’s. Let’s be real, the goal of a Def is not to make the pocket comfortable. of the 3 calls…
    McCray ran over Favre and the penalty was called. Very questionable. Favre stands between the defender and the ball carrier ready to take a charge and the defender gets penalized. That doesn’t even happen in basketball.
    Hargrove hits Favre in the midsection and Favre leaves his feet. Did he pick him up or did the force cause him to leave his feet. Questionable penalty.
    McCray low to the legs of Favre. Should’ve been a flag. He was pushed coming around the edge and consequently fell low but a penalty none the less.
    All of that said and the Vikings are up 2 to 1 on those three plays, 3 to 1 if you count the BS Randall Gay Holding of Percy Harvin 4 yards off the line.
    Listen to the interview and maybe Florio won’t have you on edge by adding his interpretations. If Gregg Williams Def does what he is coaching them to do – hit the QB hard every time you can then it’s sound strategy. He didn’t say late, he didn’t say cheap, he said often. You know like the Vikes did Tony Romo.
    It’s amazing how many people know nothing but what a biased writer writes and then forms opinions. If you think that it is flag football and that Greg Williams Def is unique in its desire to hit the QB, please stop watching because you have no clue of what it takes to win football games. I don’t care if you are the best Def in the NFL – if you don’t hit the QB, Brees, Favre, Rodgers, Manning, McNabb, Brady, etc. will eat you alive.
    Pervy Harvin thanks for the rattle the cage clarification because the New Orleans City/Team post really got me going.
    NO is #15 in penalties per game, more favorable than NYG, Minn, GB, AZ, Dal, etc. That is including many more flags against NO than Minn during the Champ Game.

  162. Loqi says: Jan 28, 2010 1:50 PM

    Poor reading comprehension is poor. Williams said nothing about injuring Manning. Unfortunately, he forgot that half the football-watching world is illiterate and that sports journalists thrive on inventing stuff like this.
    And for all the Saints fans complaining about the Vikings fans: They are worse in person. At least you don’t live here. For every 1 that appreciates the game (maybe even says “good game, Saints”) and continues to wear purple after a loss, there are 10 who jump off the bandwagon or whine incessantly about how they got screwed.

  163. stadanko says: Jan 28, 2010 1:54 PM

    This is hilarious.
    We don’t have anyone named Favre on our team. We don’t have stars on our helmets. Our QB isn’t knocking up supermodels. We aren’t a major market team.
    The only thing the Saints do is win football games and donate a ridiculous amount of time and money to charity. Not very exciting, I know.
    It’s a lot more fun to make up lies to placate every butt hurt fan whose team didn’t make it to the Superbowl.

  164. Dougy says: Jan 28, 2010 1:54 PM

    Number of Vikes turnovers and number of penalties called on either side is not the issue.
    The issue is that the Saints were called (including knee shot that League officially says should have been called) for three (3) roughing the passer penalties in one-half of football.
    That is the matter at hand.
    When was the last time a team has been charged with three (3) roughing the passer penalties in one game? One half?
    “This is football” excuse doesn’t cut it. Can you hit a punter whose leg is extended? Can a second man chop block an engaged pass rusher? Can you spear an extended wide receiver? Can you block below the waist on kickoffs? Can you form wedges and wedge bust?
    No. You cannot. Why not? Sorry “This is football” fans, you cannot because these plays lead to torn ACLs and concussions.
    If you want to hit the QB, punish him, wear him down, make him “remember” you, then hit him clean — above the knees, below the neck and within one step after he releases. No forklift hits (hattip Siragusa on Rich Gannon), no knee dives (hat tip Carson Palmer), no spearing after handoffs, (hat tip, uhh… Johnny “Blood” McNally, I guess).
    Good Morrow To You,
    Dougy

  165. Miguel says: Jan 28, 2010 1:54 PM

    Gregg Williams has been an abject failure at the majority of his stops in the NFL, but that certainly won’t stop him from running his mouth… His success in Buffalo and Washington must still be the stuff of legend…
    Here he is putting down Buffalo in a recent interview… “I’m never going to discount again on who’s it with. I’ve been able to kind of pick and choose now after all these years about where I want to go to, and I really, really, really wanted to draft Drew Brees when I was the head coach of the Buffalo Bills, and thank goodness that didn’t happen otherwise I’d still be stuck up there in cold Buffalo.” Classy…
    And who can forget him only putting 10 guys on defense while in Washington to “honor” Sean Taylor. If his pansy rear really wanted to honor him, why not activate yourself and go out there for a play instead of hurting your team…
    His blatantness in describing gameplan’s that involve actively trying to injure the other team’s player has been going on all season. Before the first Panthers-Saints game, he advocating his team trying to take out Smith’s legs when he went to make a catch to “drop him on his little head” and hopefully out of the game.
    The man is classless and arrogant, and historically his defensive schemes do not work for an extended period of time. The Saints Front Four has went downhill, and most of the pressure has come from blitzes…
    I think everyone in America knows how well that usually works against Peyton Manning. The Saints had to have every star align and every voodoo lady in the Bayou working overtime to get this far, and this game will show who the superior team is.
    By the way, I am glad to see everyone else’s comments. It is time to let Katrina go. We all know how piss poor New Orleans is and how tough they have had it. Poor NO, instead of encouraging people to move ABOVE sea level our government spends billions to rebuild.
    The more I think about it, the more I think the NFL should just let New Orleans win, have one last party on the government’s teat, and then bulldoze the city down…
    Who Dat??!!

  166. veebr says: Jan 28, 2010 2:01 PM

    mikemcsaint….. Beautiful comment. And thank you sooooo much for bringing up last seasons game. The game in which Chad Greenaway had to make Reggie Bush give his best Linda Blair impression to fumble the ball. (In a missed BLATANT face mask call). Or the game in which I learned from referees that even though Peterson fumbled twice, they weren’t fumbles because in the ref’s EXACT WORDS “Even though the ball was coming loose the runner still had the ball in his possession” W….T…F. If Sundays game was the “worst officiated” last years must be 1a. But of course Vikes fans don’t remember because the Vikings won. I called Sunday football justice

  167. whatajokethissiteis says: Jan 28, 2010 2:06 PM

    BIGEARL504, your a big joke and you made the dumbist comment on here yet, what planet are you from oh you must be from the Aint planet.

  168. Billy-bob says: Jan 28, 2010 2:26 PM

    Personal fouls are the sign of an undisciplined team. True, the penalty might be tolerable if the other QB is, say, JaMarcus Russell. Take a 15 yarder against Brees or Manning and that’ll get you on the bench. Pros understand that.

  169. stevea11 says: Jan 28, 2010 2:32 PM

    If you want to hat the Saints and New Orleans at least have a good reason. Since you don’t have one here’s one for you. I evacuated for Katrina but suffered NO damage. I did, however, take full advantage of all of your generosity. I took your free money you sent, (I pissed it away at a casino) free food stamp card, (ate T-bones every night) free clothing and any other hand out you guys gave me. Hell, even the goverment chipped in with some grant money (paid for my trip to Hawaii).
    So thank you VERY much. Now you have a real reason to hate us. Bet you feel better already!
    I hope they break Mannings lets and give the MVP award to the guy who did it.

  170. Stainless Steel says: Jan 28, 2010 2:39 PM

    This is football right? Part of the sport is physically imposing your will on the other team. I can’t believe this discussion is even taking place. I mean when you play defence you should be trying to HURT the other team. Players know the risks on the field and they accept them. They get paid a lot of money to outweigh those risks. Only recently has this become and issue as the game is slowly becoming more and more of a pussy sport. I mean all of the rules being put in place are leading to a league where players will wear flags and not even be allowed to tackle. I don’t know how much more of this garbage I can take.

  171. whatajokethissiteis says: Jan 28, 2010 2:39 PM

    “STADANKO” I’m not a viking/saints fan and still think the Saints are dirty players, but if that’s how they need to win, good luck to them. And I don’t blame the Vikes fans for crying about how the Saints played, they played dirty.

  172. purplejesus28 says: Jan 28, 2010 2:47 PM

    These Saints fans, who use to wear bags on their heads – embarassed to be seen for like 35 years, are here talking about turnovers. I honestly believe that is a fair point. Everyone who saw the game knows we had them. But lets apply the rules fairly and the two interceptions are taken off the board. The Brady Rule gets called on the first pick, Vikings ball 1st down at the about the 20. Probably changes the score there with at least a FG. With a late lead, the team goes into “Chillyball” mode and plays it safe. Even with 12 men, its impossible to beat any teams 11 PLUS the officials. Don’t drink too much in Miami on Saturday night because you’re playing with fire on Sunday. I’m fairly certain you get torched.
    BTW: how awesome was it to get the Colts at only -3.5! I was planning on teasing 7.5-10 down with a total and then this number fell in my lap. The next day I saw it couldn’t climb fast enough and was 5.5, now around 6. It takes a lot of early smart money to move a SB number that much, that quick.

  173. V Chip says: Jan 28, 2010 2:52 PM

    Dougy says:
    When was the last time a team has been charged with three (3) roughing the passer penalties in one game? One half?
    Actually, it was one.
    If you count the low hit that wasn’t called, that makes 2. Check the gamebook on the NFL site if you don’t agree.
    And being called twice in a half or game? I’m sure it has happened lots of times — this isn’t flag football or touch football.

  174. ReadForComprehension says: Jan 28, 2010 3:25 PM

    purplejesus28 says: [quote]But lets apply the rules fairly and the two interceptions are taken off the board. The Brady Rule gets called on the first pick, Vikings ball 1st down at the about the 20. Probably changes the score there with at least a FG.[/quote]Two can play that game. Let’s say the Vikes get called for the two late hits they put on Drew Brees that weren’t called. Those surely would have extended Saint drives and since we’re playing fantasy land ball, these result in TDs for the Saints. And because I can, I’ll take two point conversions for each one! That makes the final score Vikes 31, Saints 44 and the Saints still go to the SB.

  175. Asswipe Johnson (Pronounced Az-Wee-Pay) says: Jan 28, 2010 3:39 PM

    stevea11 says: January 28, 2010 2:32 PM
    If you want to hat the Saints and New Orleans at least have a good reason. Since you don’t have one here’s one for you. I evacuated for Katrina but suffered NO damage. I did, however, take full advantage of all of your generosity. I took your free money you sent, (I pissed it away at a casino) free food stamp card, (ate T-bones every night) free clothing and any other hand out you guys gave me. Hell, even the goverment chipped in with some grant money (paid for my trip to Hawaii).
    So thank you VERY much. Now you have a real reason to hate us. Bet you feel better already!
    ________________________________
    You’re living the dream…

  176. freem16 says: Jan 28, 2010 3:46 PM

    What do you people thing the saints meant when they “brought the wood” against the cardinals? that shiny baseball bat reggie bush was carrying? wrong. Bring the wood means that you are going out there with the intent to hurt the other team. hurt them so bad, the doctors have to bring the wood(stretcher). Personally i hope they do knock manning out. i hope they leave a fleur de lis on the moviescreen of a cranium. love- titans fan

  177. Vikes-N-Favre says: Jan 28, 2010 3:57 PM

    Screw Gregg Williams, screw Sean Payton, screw the Saints franchise, and screw the Saints fans. The Saints shouldn’t even be in the SB plain and simple. They cheated to get there, and the officials allowed it to happen. The Vikings beat them up in every way. They scored with ease on their pee wee football defense, and they held the almighty Saints offense to 250 total yards all game long, and 70 in the entire second half.
    The missed calls by the officials is what determined the outcome of that game. Meachem’s “catch” was not a catch, Bell’s “first down” was not a first down after he lost possession then reacquired possession behind the first down marker, and Leber’s ” pass interference” was not even close to pass interference. Even if the ball would have been catch able which it was not, their feet tangled up which is incidental contact and is almost always a non call. So that call alone went against the Vikings in two different ways. All of those plays is what got the Saints into FG range, otherwise the Vikings should have had the ball and almost certainly would have scored to win much like they scored the entire game.
    The Saints should have a huge asterisk attached to their names going into the SB let alone if they somehow get favored again and win it. That was about as biased officiating as I have seen all year, and it cost a team a chance at a SB Title. I wish nothing but bad things on those officials, and the Saints. I hope they get what they have coming to them. Best case scenario is a Colt player takes a cheap shot at Brees and severely injures him, or ends his career. They did it to Favre on multiple occasions last week. They went at his head and his knees and not one damn flag was thrown. The only flag that was thrown was when that fat ass hit Favre well after the play was dead, and they probably only threw that one because it was so obvious, otherwise they would have gotten away with that one as well. How ironic would it be if Brees gets badly injured in this game and has to miss all of next season? That is what I am hoping happens. It will serve the Saints right for trying to injure Warner, then Favre, now Manning.

  178. purplejesus28 says: Jan 28, 2010 4:03 PM

    @ ReadForComprehension: I’m sure it would have extended Saints drives on both of these calls. They could have had a total of like 262 yards instead. I was being realistic and you know it so you exaggerate. Believe what you will. I bet you believe your team has a shot next week too!

  179. marco says: Jan 28, 2010 4:04 PM

    Wake up, financially stupid moron Saints – Williams. What pays your pathetic salary is Manning and Brees and Farve etc making passes and/or watching a great secondary break up those passes. No good quarterbacks = reduced paycheck. Point: Saints: spend your effort breaking up catches, not injuring the QB. Morons.

  180. scomibord says: Jan 28, 2010 4:18 PM

    purplejesus28
    Adrian Peterson fan, huh?? Are you proud of the fact that your boy had a large hand in that loss. You can’t be that supid to think you can turn the ball over five times and still win the NFC Championship game, noone can be that effin STUPID. Not even a Queen fan. Detroit would beat you with five turnovers. Go home and snuggle up with your stats until next year. Think Favre is coming back???

  181. Purple People Eater says: Jan 28, 2010 4:25 PM

    Well it is nice to see that the Saints can admit to the dirty and late hits they have been making all the way through the playoffs. The last time I saw a defense this dirty was Madden’s Raiders…

  182. Opinionated Fool says: Jan 28, 2010 4:26 PM

    Oh, c’mon Florio. Are you seriously advocating for a kinder, gentler NFL? Really? This is football, okay? You’re SUPPOSED to hit people in football. You’re supposed to hit them HARD. It’s what the game’s about.
    And Williams didn’t say anything about cheap shots or illegal hits. YOU did. You said it “sounded like” he’d be willing to accept some 15-yarders.
    Hard hits are what we pay to see. Stop being a pussy, okay?

  183. Just Drew It! says: Jan 28, 2010 4:59 PM

    I’m shocked it surprises so many people that a defense wants to take out the offenses quarterback.
    Even more shocked that the saints go from a soft team, to a dirty team because of one game.
    Cry much?

  184. ReadForComprehension says: Jan 28, 2010 5:12 PM

    For Vikes-N-Favre: Want some cheese with that whine?
    For purplejesus28: You’re the one who proposed interrupting the space-time continuum. I merely played along.

  185. Sterling says: Jan 28, 2010 5:16 PM

    Darren Sharper told Peter King: “Our goal was to hit him (Favre) over and over, and make sure he felt it.”
    Not just pressure him, make him hurry throws. What Sharper is talking about is a different thing, a very different goal. That quote says exactly what Florio is saying, that the Saints tried to injure the QB. That was certainly true with Kurt Warner, and I hate that that game may be Warner’s last, b/c a classier guy could not be found in all of football.
    Favre’s brother said Favre hurt both ankles, both wrists, and one of his legs, and King said Favre was going to be wearing more purple on his body than on his uniform. For a guy who didn’t get sacked even once, that’s pretty remarkable. A reporter at ESPN said he saw Favre after the game, and he could barely walk.
    I was going to root for the Saints until I read this. Now? Go, Colts!

  186. trainsam says: Jan 28, 2010 5:22 PM

    Lots of disgruntled fans out there. True, the Vikings outplayed the Saints. True, they blew it, and lost. True, there were some blown calls, like in the second half when a Viking pile drove Brees into the ground, leaving his feet to do so and coming down with all his weight, and no flag was thrown, even though they threw a flag early in the game against the Saints for the same thing. BTW, Brees didn’t whine about it. It’s football folks. Bad calls usually don’t make a difference to the end result. Throwing a stupid interception when you have ten clear green yards in front of you to run does lose games. The so called ‘dirty’ play on Farve was the result of his own lineman pushing the defender down as he beat him to the inside. Watch the replay people.
    Florio, you blew it on this by taking Williams a bit out of context. The man clearly said that “you want him to say” exactly what you then said he did say. Those of us who aren’t blinded by our tears over a loss can plainly see that this a case of the media blowing something out of proportion, again. Williams shouldn’t have said anything, and as a Saints fan, I am truly disappointed in any comments along these lines being made by our players or coaches, even if they were taken out of context.
    The Superbowl will be a tough game for the Saints to win, no doubt. But, the Saints are not so ‘lucky’ that this opportunity was just handed to them. They are fully capable of playing better than any team in the league on any given day. Can they do it all the time? No. Neither can anyone else.
    It will be a close game, and a really good game. And, yes, both defenses are fully capable of hurting the other team’s QB. I doubt it is going to be because they are deliberately playing ‘dirty’.
    Other than Indianapolis, no other city loves and admires the entire Manning family the way New Orleans does. Even our players admire the guy. He comes here every single year with his brothers and their father to give QB camps to local high school athletes. He is a class act. This city is a class act. If you would all take the time stop whining about a loss, the likes of which we have suffered for the entire existence of our franchise, you might be able to learn a thing or two about resiliency, perseverance, and class from the city of New Orleans and from our team.

  187. purplejesus28 says: Jan 28, 2010 5:23 PM

    @scomibord: I am an All Day fan. Proud of it. He’s had a fumbling problem which I’ve said needs to get corrected. Doesn’t change the fact he is a beast. I was a fan of his when he was a Sooner too. I’m not sure what “supid” is, but yeah we should have won that game. The average margin of victory in the playoffs by a team +4 in turnovers, 19. The Saints, with a lot of help, won by three! Hope you have a lot of faith in THAT team come next week. And yeah, I wish Favre would come back next year but I don’
    t believe he will. And really, Queens? What are you like, seven years old? Sounds like someone who has his defenses up because he realizes what the truth is.

  188. ReadForComprehension says: Jan 28, 2010 5:25 PM

    Sterling: Like the way the Vikes hit Romo in the semis? Like the Colts hit Sanchez in the AFC championship? Put ‘em in dresses, red bibs, take off their helmets, then.

  189. DAS says: Jan 28, 2010 5:33 PM

    To all the Colts fans chiming in about Saints players being “thugs”. Remember of the two teams in the Superbowl, only one has had a recent player accused of attempted murder (Harrison).

  190. CynicL1 says: Jan 28, 2010 5:36 PM

    Where are the likes of Jack “Hacksaw” Reynolds, Jack Tatum, Ted Hendricks, Ben Davidson…ahh Football!

  191. DAS says: Jan 28, 2010 5:40 PM

    LOLZ, to all the “I was gonna root for the Saints until I read this article by Mike ‘Out of Context’ Florio” fans. IF your opinion on which team to root for is that easily swayed, pick up the latest issue of GQ, and see what they have to say about Colt superstar Marvin Harrison. Sheep.

  192. Jack0122 says: Jan 28, 2010 5:42 PM

    All I have to say is that the Saints have finally made it!
    I’ve been coming to these message boards for the past couple of years and no one ever talked about the Saints, good nor bad — and now people are flocking from everywhere just to trash talk the Saints and New Orleans.
    To all my Saints fans: We are finally in!!

  193. socco says: Jan 28, 2010 6:43 PM

    Really a classless organization.
    But hey, there was a hurricane in the city that they play their home games in so everybody loves them!
    GO SAINTS!!!@121!@!!1

  194. wakara says: Jan 28, 2010 6:52 PM

    Playing dirty and trying to take out the other teams quarter back doesn’t sound like a great team but rather some bullies trying to pass off thug behaviour for sportmanship.

  195. Route36West says: Jan 28, 2010 6:58 PM

    Everyone needs to stop being so damn sensitive. Hes not saying he wants to end his career or break his leg or blow out his knee. Hes saying he wants them to hit him so hard that he wont get up. Like they took his will away.
    Hes looking at it like boxing or mma. He wants to knock the guy out. Fighters dont want to permanently injury their opponents or hurt them real bad they just want to Knock them out to win the fight. I see nothing wrong with that. Thats how I think every football player and coach should play like.

  196. Pervy Harvin says: Jan 28, 2010 7:16 PM

    scomibord says:
    January 28, 2010 4:18 PM
    purplejesus28
    Adrian Peterson fan, huh?? Are you proud of the fact that your boy had a large hand in that loss
    ————————————————–
    Yah tool,we are all AD fans up here. I’m not going to turn my back on him either,he is great. Your highly overrated Reggie Kardashian couldn’t carry his jock. You guys were pretty good at keeping AD out of the endzone eh? LOL

  197. PurpleRaid12 says: Jan 28, 2010 7:45 PM

    Look, in all honesty the fact is we did lose, simple as that. We cannot turn back time, what’s done is done. But we all know the Colts will crush the Aint’s in the Big One…. See ya next year NAWLINS!

  198. Tombstone7 says: Jan 28, 2010 8:06 PM

    Ok, I’m convinced…Florio is a hater! Also, he’s has problem with women!

  199. saintsfan985 says: Jan 28, 2010 9:43 PM

    Wow. I didn’t know the Minnesota fans were so bitter. Get over it guys. You lost. If your defense could have gotten to Brees more often, the shoe would be on the other foot.

  200. vtopa says: Jan 28, 2010 11:37 PM

    Drew Brees and the Saints threw up 31 on the 2nd best defense in the league, and their defense turned favre into a walking car wreck. They’re gonna pile drive Manning’s whiny azz into the ground. Saints 45 Colts 27.

  201. FumbleNuts says: Jan 29, 2010 1:37 AM

    This Super Bowl is going to have MASSIVE BIG hits in it. Call it WAR!

  202. Dougy says: Jan 29, 2010 1:49 AM

    Vchip,
    As I wrote, League admitted that knee-shot on Favre was a foul that should have been called. Forklift hit on Favre was a foul called. Spear after handoff was a foul called. That’s 3 roughing-the-passer or illegal hit on the QB or whatever you want to call it penalties in one half.
    Ray Edwards hit on Brees was a not a forklift and drive to the turf hit.
    “This is Football” People on this site, presumably, would be in favor of hitting the punter with his leg up, chop blocks, blocking below the waist on kickoffs, helmet-to-helmet hits on extended receivers. If you are in favor of those you must like gladiator movies. If you are not in favor of those kind of hits then welcome to the slippery slope of protecting “defenseless” players from concussions and ACLs.
    If the game was called accurately, Vikes win. Saints got it all handed to them — from the Vikes, to the officials to the coin toss.
    Good Morrow to You,
    Dougy

  203. Bill says: Jan 29, 2010 7:00 AM

    Well, Hopefully the refs will continue to not call late high and low hits. Then they hopefully will continue to move the ball for the Saints, because it has been shown that the “best” offense in the NFL couldn’t move the ball against the Vikes. The refs will ensure that the Camile effect is put into effect and get the Saints their super bowl victory. Nobody in New Orleans cares how they get the victory, they just need something to take away the misery of living where they do. The chances of them succeeding is prety good, since hte league has not stepped in to take any corrective action. They evidnetly used up all their policing of immoral behavior when they made the example out of Vick.

  204. Sterling says: Jan 29, 2010 8:24 AM

    ReadingforComprehension,
    Re: Vikes hits on Romo – Romo was sacked numerous times, but the hits he took were not late or low. Nothing dirty in playing hard. Favre was hit at least two dozen times and never got sacked – many of those hits were late and/or – in at least one case – low. It was that low hit that injured him. I don’t recall Romo being injured.
    I do think it more than coincidental that two great QBs were injured in back-to-back games against the Saints. You don’t see QBs get knocked out of games that often, and it would have happened in both games were Favre not as resilient/competitive/stubborn as he is.
    There is a difference b/w saying “we’re gonna pressure him, try to get a few sacks” and “we’re gonna make sure he feels it.” The latter indicates that you want to hurt a guy.
    And to the guy who was comparing this to boxing and saying he didn’t see anything wrong with it … this isn’t boxing. This is football. Guys are not standing up and fighting each other with gloves, knowing they’re going to get punched in the face. Different sport, different set of rules. In this case, the rules were not properly enforced. I’m not saying the Vikes didn’t shoot themselves in the foot with all the fumbles; but I am saying that the Saints appeared to be playing dirty with the QB. Karma generally shows up, tho, and they won’t be able to get away with that stuff on the largest stage in football, with the league’s current darling QBing the other team.

  205. DAS says: Jan 29, 2010 10:37 AM

    Bill, evidnetly you’re a Moron.

  206. nobody says: Jan 29, 2010 11:10 AM

    Will Mike Florio or anyone else in the national media get this story correct? Greg Williams is an outstanding coach and is well respected in the NFL as a coach and person. He doesn’t say there will be any cheap shots or dirty tricks as Florio writes. What he says is the Saints will be aggressive on defense and will work to get to Peyton Manning to disrupt his game. If this were any other Quarterback or any other defense in the league, this would not even be a conversation. If Florio and the rest of the national media want to give the ring to the Colts, lets do it now and save ourselves the trouble of flying to Miami for the game. Geaux Saints!!

  207. Allied Biscuit says: Jan 29, 2010 11:38 AM

    Darren Sharper is extremley overrated. He picks of tipped balls, or errant throws. very very few are actually the result of good coverage.
    And he can’t tackle in the open field. he only hits hard when players don’t see him coming. blindside hits. that does not make him a premier safety. see Troy P or Ed Reed for what premier safeties do (free or strong safetey)

  208. rollerball says: Jan 29, 2010 11:58 AM

    I, also, was willing to root for Saints if they were the better team against Vikes. But what I saw was the dirtiest play I have witnessed (all around) and compounded with the worst officiating I have witnessed allowing a much weaker team to make it to Miami. The refs should be fired. Mc Cray should have been thrown out of the game! Favre better come back just so the Saints can’t keep bragging that they sent two QB’s into retirement. Go Colts!

  209. BROOKE says: Jan 29, 2010 12:25 PM

    OMG all the men on this site whinning about what a physical team the Saints are, need to find another sport. News flash…football is a violent sport. Why, do you think they get paid so much? The Vikings lost not because of cheap shots or bad calls, it was because their QB made bad decisions, and their defence couldn’t protect Farve. Here is a second news flash…the defence jobs is to get at the QB. OMG Greg Williams wants to take a bounty on Peyton Manning. That is his freakin job people!!! Maybe the men on this site that are whinning should watch golf. I love that finally somebody in football stop being so damn PC and grew a pair and just said it. Do any of you actually think that the Colts DC isn’t trying to get to Brees. Please people, give me a break! If I see Peyton Manning doing his pussy shit and start whinning, I will turn the game off! He should man up and realize he is in the NFL!

  210. V Chip says: Jan 29, 2010 1:03 PM

    Dougy,
    You said “roughing the passer” and I took you at your word. The McCray hit was not roughing the passer (it was on a handoff), it was unnecessary roughness and it was not spearing. Regardless, those penalties get called 2 or 3 times in a half often — just a quick search showed Titans getting 2 called on one drive alone, the Jags, Giants — even the Vikings (or not even penalized and later fined, like Jared Allen for 2 low hits on Schaub).
    We disagree on the degree of difference between Hargrove’s hit and Ray Edwards’ — both times the QB left their feet, the defender drove them into the ground. In fact, Edwards’ hit was bad enough to nearly take Drew Brees’ helmet off but nothing was called — rightfully so. Hargrove’s shouldn’t have been either, but that’s my opinion.
    You bringing up illegal hits and acting like people want to see them is a strawman. There are rules for those plays put in for a purpose, just like the flags that were throw (or not thrown) were because someone did something against the rules. But in a game where people are paid to violently hit one another over and over again every week, there are going to be some times where these rule violations occur. It’s almost always not a deliberate act to injure someone, it’s a byproduct of the game and aggressive play. Ray Lewis has probably had 20 roughness type penalties called on him — Jared Allen, Will Smith, Osi Umenyiora, Julius Peppers, etc will all get some called on them. Penalties being called is not a smoking gun pointing to the defense trying to injure players, no matter how much people whine about them.
    If the game was called accurately, Vikes win. Saints got it all handed to them — from the Vikes, to the officials to the coin toss.
    Well if it makes the offseason easier to take for you, go ahead and believe that. It’s completely wrong, but sometimes when one’s team loses, grasping at ghosts and believing fervently that one’s team was wronged is all one has to soothe the pain of losing.

  211. doxun says: Jan 29, 2010 2:32 PM

    All of you Saints haters have made Florio’s day by drinking his kool-aid. Don’t you see that he wrote this article just to stir up some heavy-duty crap so he can sit back and laugh at all of the hate that has risen to the surface? The Saints have now been assigned the “dirty thugs” label because that great “journalist” Florio decided to twist a few words and imply some things that most of the posters here didn’t bother to read or try to comprehend. As for all of you who keep mentioning Katrina, you are the ones who bring it to the surface. Yes, it happened, and yes, there is a story line there, but anyone with any sense could tell you that the hurricane itself has little relation to the game of football. Personally, I have always been a little sick of the story and I live on the Gulf Coast east of New Orleans and lost everything I had when my house flooded with eight feet of gulf water. The hurricane hit here and the levees flooded New Orleans, but I don’t hate the Saints because New Orleans gets all the attention about the storm. Everybody use some common sense and get over it. I’m just pissed that Florio gets away with this. I know he is laughing his butt off at what he has done.

  212. Saintnation says: Jan 29, 2010 3:42 PM

    “If it happens, it happens. And the only thing —————————————————————you’d like for me to say—————————————————————- is that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again.”

  213. Saintnation says: Jan 29, 2010 3:50 PM

    Vikes-N-Favre
    Go get some Pabst Blue Ribbon, cut a hole in the ice of one of your 10,000 lakes, drink said beer, and quit crying…….
    Maybe next year.

  214. ReadForComprehension says: Jan 29, 2010 4:00 PM

    Sterling: Romo’s spry enough to scramble; Favre and Warner not so much. Romo (and Brees) avoided rough hits by moving away from them. The play where McCray hit Favre’s legs was caused in part by Loadholt pushing McCray to the ground. Refs on the field took that into account at the time. League sources now have luxury of better angles and slow motion. Vikes didn’t get called for a couple of questionable hits on Brees; Saints got called for personal foul when your return man fumbled a fair catch; neither team was called for a single offensive hold. Looks like it is what it is at this point.
    This sport involves 22 large men hitting each other while moving at high speeds. Rules are in place to prevent certain types of hits and to protect defenseless players. It’s unreasonable to expect a 300 pound man who is running as fast as he can run to stop his forward momentum or – – as what happened with Anthony Hargrove – – stopping in mid-air so that the player who throws the ball does not get hit a split second after he throws it. Refs are human and mistakes will happen. Happens to every team in the league and no amount of Monday am quarterbacking will change the outcome.

  215. 215-609 says: Jan 29, 2010 4:04 PM

    2nd comment saying Peyton would have never survived 10 to 20 years ago, Peyton has been in the league 12 years, so go head with your ignorance. I hope your login name pushing50 refers to your IQ and not your age, because your knowledge of football is laughable.

  216. sporty says: Jan 29, 2010 4:25 PM

    I hope the Saints get their asses handed to them in the SuperBowl….

  217. rodnacious says: Jan 29, 2010 5:05 PM

    Given that New Orleans backed into the Super Bowl courtesy of the Vikings inability to hold onto the ball, is it a particularly wise strategy to talk that much trash prior to the Super Bowl? New Orleans didn’t exactly look impressive against Minny and gave away A LOT of yardage to a QB and WRs that aren’t as good as the ones they will be facing next Sunday. The guy’s D gave up 475 yards to a team that fumbled it’s way out of the playoffs. Not exactly a defensive performance for the ages.
    Sounds like a disgruntled Vikings fan to me… the Viking got beat by their own stupid blunders and that is what the game is all about. Sissies whine!
    The Saints will win it and there will be those that insinuate that they won dirty – so what?

  218. PurpleRaid12 says: Jan 29, 2010 11:28 PM

    Rodnacious, come back after the Super Bowl please…. I’d love to hear your excuses if you lose….

  219. Gambit816 says: Jan 30, 2010 2:01 AM

    “When you put too much of that type of worry on a warrior’s mind, he doesn’t play all out,” Williams said. “If it happens, it happens. And the only thing you’d like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again.”
    Read it again, hot heads. “And the only thing YOU’D LIKE FOR ME TO SAY is that if it happens you hope he doesn’t get back up and play again.”
    Understand why that’s in caps? Because Williams is saying that’s what the media WOULD LIKE FOR HIM TO SAY. It’s not what he’s saying. He did say he wants some remember me shots on the QB, but that’s a far cry from playing dirty or hoping he doesn’t get back up. Great work, Florio, for having your internet gang think the Saints are dirty by taking someone’s quote completely out of context. By the way, whining Vikes fans, is Favre a dirty player? Remember when he deliberately went for a DB’s knees IN PRESEASON to throw a block? Yeah. Remember that?

  220. Thrall the Bludgeoner says: Jan 30, 2010 3:13 AM

    Yeah, sounds like the writer is taking liberties. Not good. Having sad that, however, three Saints were just fined a total of $30,000. for illegal hits against the Vikings. So it would seem that Florio is on to something, anyway. I’m appalled that the referees did nothing to protect Favre in that game. Certainly after the second RTP call the should have AT LEAST cautioned the Saints that penalty hits would not be tolerated. And maybe kept a better eye on Brett Favre. THEY should be fined also.

  221. Dougy says: Jan 30, 2010 12:18 PM

    V-Chip,
    You basically said that the knee shot on Favre and the spear after the hand-off were TECHNICALLY not “Roughing the Passer” under the category of “Roughing the Paser”. Such a TECHNICAL defense is feeble and you know it. Feeble, stuff. You spent an hour in NFL Gamebook and that is what you came up with?
    Your vague citations lack detail so I can’t refute/obliterate. The gauntlet remains down — find me a game with three illegal hits on QB in the NFL after Bill Walsh era (1979).
    I agree that Ray Edwards hit on Brees was borderline, actually. He drove his body weight into Brees. But, it was bang-bang play. It wasn’t lift-and-drive like a Big John Studd.
    I disagree that Hosgrove hit was borderline. So did ref. So did League. Leauge called it “Poster” of what the lift-and-drive rule was. “Poster”. That means “slam-dunk”. (hat tip George Tenet).
    Your use of the term “strawman” is a in fact, a “strawman” in and of itself. Bravo for that.
    Let’s see if you can follow the finger puppets:
    League creates rules to protect players from illegal hits. The illegal hits occur. The illegal hits should be called. And when illegal hits represent a pattern — it sucks. It stinks. That is my point.
    You are probably a Saints fan. Enjoy the lucky break. You have probably waited a long time since the franchise returned its first KO for a TD on their first play in existance back in ’67. I hate the Bears and Packers, not the Saints…
    What is my call on this game? That the Vikes are the unluckiest team in the NFL. That the 12-men in the huddle was bad, but was not the margin of victory or loss by itself. Blaming that play in isolation is like saying Chris Webber’s TO is why Michigan lost to NC. No. No. There were many plays that decided this game. And if the plays were called correctly by the refs, the Vikes win.
    Good Morrow to You,
    Dougy

  222. ColtsFanInDetroit says: Jan 30, 2010 2:24 PM

    What many of these shortsighted Manning haters are failing to realize is that if there is even one questionable hit on #18, Breeze will then be targeted. How would the Saints fare with their back up QB? Sad (but predictable) that the Saints would have to resort to thuggary to try to win a Superbowl. Seems they would want to beat the best, with their best to become the best. I sincerely hope that this comes back around to bite the “Aints” in the ass. Talk about bilboard material. Fitting karma for a cursed team. Who dat – Who dat – Who dat getting beat by the Colts !

  223. lwalshva says: Jan 30, 2010 3:33 PM

    I hate the Saints. They are nothing but a bunch of bullies. Watching them is disgusting. I hope the Colts tear them all apart, limb by limb. And lets hope Brees is taken off the field on a slab. What they did to Warner and Favre was uncalled for!!

  224. lwalshva says: Jan 30, 2010 3:46 PM

    Oh, and 1 more thought. If the only way you can win a game is to play dirty, than you must really suck as a team. Go Colts!!!!!!!!!!

  225. ReadForComprehension says: Jan 30, 2010 4:04 PM

    lwalshva says:
    And lets hope Brees is taken off the field on a slab.
    Three lefts make a right, but two wrongs don’t. Also don’t see how you can be critical of the Saints for dirty play with one side of your mouth while wishing injury on their QB out of the other. Way to stay classy!

  226. Treima says: Jan 30, 2010 5:58 PM

    Of course they want to injure Manning. I’m sure that Freeney and Mathis would feel no worse off if they managed to snap Brees’ leg, Theismann style.

  227. kpweaver27 says: Jan 30, 2010 9:53 PM

    It seems to me that no one was mentioning Gregg Williams as a head coaching candidate for next year, so this is his way of saying “pay attention to me!” It also will say to the referees “pay attention to us hitting after the whistle!” He just cost his team 2 or 3 penalties. I’m just not sure it matters, because if Peyton can deal with the Jets’ blitz and still hang 30, what’s a successful day for Williams? Giving up 37? 42? I’m sure Freeney and Mathis are amused too. Colts 38 Saints 27.

  228. Lavalay says: Jan 31, 2010 5:12 AM

    To those saying that this is a violent sport… duh. I’m not blind. And I understand that there is always the goal to put pressure on the quarterback and hit him. Hell, even hitting him HARD is expected!
    But there is a huge difference between hitting hard and hitting hard with the intention of injuring (I’m talking to you Saints). The way your defense shamelessly went after two future HOF quarterbacks was disgusting. If this is the only way you can win against Manning (another future HOFer) and Co. you don’t deserve it. I was pulling for you but the conduct of your defense has changed my mind.
    GO COLTS!!!!!!!!
    P.S. If you do injure Manning, I can guarantee you that you will pay a big price for it

  229. VikesForLife says: Jan 31, 2010 3:40 PM

    CHEAP SHOTS AND HEADHUNTING! I HATE THE SAINTS! FREENY AND COMPANY YOU SAW WHAT THEY DID TO MY MAN. GET THEIRS BEFORE THEY GET YOURS!
    GREG WILLIAMS NEEDS TO HAVE A SIT DOWN WITH ROGER GODELL. THE REFS GAVE THE AINTS THE GAME! BUT HE LET IT SLIP! SCREW THE NFL AND AINTS!

  230. vikes backer says: Jan 31, 2010 4:13 PM

    The saints do not deserve to win the superbowl because of the way they are trying to hurt the QB, they see nothing wrong with that and their coaches are coaching that dirty play. COLTS CRUSH AINTS 30 TO 17!

  231. katojaks says: Feb 1, 2010 8:47 PM

    To Coach Williams,
    This just in:
    Manning had his jaw broken in a game AND MISSED 1 SNAP, you f’ing tool. Try to take him out loser.

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