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Mayock has Gerald McCoy ahead of Suh

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock is the best “draftnik” in the business, at least by our estimation.  Mayock played the game at its highest level, generally has the best understanding of what teams look for in certain players at certain positions, and was even reported to be pursued by an NFL organization a few years back for a personnel executive job.

We’ll forgive Mayock that the organization was the Raiders.
Mayock has endured his share of “misses,” but seemingly more hits than most of his competition.
Mayock’s top-five players by position run along the NFL Network’s bottom line.  And we couldn’t help but notice that he has Oklahoma defensive tackle Gerald McCoy ahead of Nebraska’s Ndamukong Suh.
It will be interesting to see Mayock’s explanation, which he’ll probably give during NFLN’s Scouting Combine coverage.  Suh was more decorated and had much more collegiate production than McCoy.  Suh also had two knee surgeries in college.  
It’s worth noting that Mayock broke the news on Oklahoma receiver Malcolm Kelly’s knee problems roughly three years ago.  Kelly, at the time, was considered the draft’s consensus top wideout.  He wound up lasting until pick No. 51 and has battled knee injuries throughout his short career.
Mayock has acknowledged that Suh and McCoy are easily the best two draft-eligibles, so perhaps we’re picking nits.  But there is now reason to believe Suh may not be the draft’s No. 1 defensive tackle, let alone the favorite to be taken first overall.
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50 Responses to “Mayock has Gerald McCoy ahead of Suh”
  1. RavensFreak00 says: Feb 8, 2010 9:34 PM

    The Lions are in a win-win position right now. All they have to do is get the one the Rams don’t take.

  2. snnyjcbs says: Feb 8, 2010 9:37 PM

    I can see the teams running to change the draft boards now, LOL. Give me a brake, I once heard an interview by a dude that has been getting PAID to evaluate players and he laughed when the names of these “self proclaimed TV draft experts” were brought up.

  3. downwithdansnyder says: Feb 8, 2010 9:38 PM

    “Suh was more decorated and had much more collegiate production than McCoy.”
    That’s hardly what matters. It’s how they “project” to the NFL. Imagine if the NFL only took QB’s that were more decorated and had the higher production. The NFL would be littered with Andre Wares and Ty Detmers. Not that there is anything wrong with that…

  4. INVAIDUH says: Feb 8, 2010 9:39 PM

    bogus report…
    Raiders weren’t looking for him. GFY

  5. sniperhare says: Feb 8, 2010 9:40 PM

    With the amount of money teams are forced to pay top 10 picks they had better make sure they are healthy enough to play for the next 8-10 years.

  6. GhostofFlorioPast says: Feb 8, 2010 9:45 PM

    Considering that many players that the dudes who get PAID to evaluate players choose end up being total busts, that laughter comes pretty cheap. The very same “dude” probably had Ryan Leaf in front of Peyton Manning. Many did.

  7. BonerJams'03 says: Feb 8, 2010 9:46 PM

    As someone who has followed Mayock’s draft analysis for some years now – they guy is usually right. That’s not to say he’s right 100% of the time, but he knows his stuff very well.
    Some of these “draft guru’s”, you have to wonder whether they are actually watching tons of tape, talking to the players, talking to people in the NFL etc etc. Mayock seems like he does all of that.
    As far as who is better, I guess we’ll find out in time, but alot in of years, the guy who everyone has as the consensus “best player” does quite often disappoint (how many times did we hear the name “Aaron Curry” AFTER the season started?).

  8. HereThere says: Feb 8, 2010 9:49 PM

    When did Mayock resign as Jay Cutler’s press agent?

  9. red13 says: Feb 8, 2010 9:51 PM

    Mayock elaborated tonight and said they were 1 and 1a. He said Suh is a little more stout, but McCoy is quicker (he mentioned Warren Sapp). No mention of injuries.

  10. lezmaka says: Feb 8, 2010 9:53 PM

    If these schmucks were any good at identifying NFL talent, they would have a job with a real NFL organization. And no, as long as Al Davis is in charge, the Raiders don’t count.

  11. red13 says: Feb 8, 2010 10:04 PM

    BonerJams’03:
    I have to agree with you about Mayock. And the guys on ESPN (Mcshay and Kiper) seem to be more interested in arguing with each other and looking smart than really evaluating players. As a Rams fan, I was hoping they’d draft Curry, but in hindsight, I have to say we got a much better deal drafting Jason Smith and then Laurinaitis in the 2nd round.

  12. Wick says: Feb 8, 2010 10:06 PM

    Mayock is solid – a stud. I dig his opinions on who can and can’t ball at the next level. Mayock is legit.

  13. bearsrule says: Feb 8, 2010 10:12 PM

    Is it true that Todd McShay sits in a high chair so he can be seen over the ESPN desk ?

  14. Nick Shank says: Feb 8, 2010 10:25 PM

    They are 1-A and 1-B
    Mayock is rarely wrong when it comes to draft picks.
    If I’m inheriting an NFL Franchise, he’s the first guy I call to start my Scouting Departement.
    Suh had a strong end the season which has gotten him alot more Publicity, Suh hasen’t been an household name at DT until this year, although he has been really good, before this year he was considered a 1st round pick, now he has solidified himself into the top 5, And may possibly become the first NFL player to be drafted on a Thursday night.
    Mayock has NFL Experience, he played CB for the Giants and I have the great respect for him.
    As for Gerald McCoy, he has been a household name at DT for two seasons.
    They will surely both be two top 10 picks, neither is better nor worse and only hard work and perseverance will determine who is better as they both would receive an “A” grade for potential.

  15. zilla1126 says: Feb 8, 2010 10:29 PM

    Maybe one of them will be like Warren Sapp – who apparently was quite a asshole during the Super Bowl week,
    And this is outside of him being arrested:
    http://www.getwithme.com/sapp.mp3
    Fast forward to 4:37 or so.

  16. Justin says: Feb 8, 2010 10:30 PM

    For a rumors section, you sure seem to act like Mayock being pursued by an NFL team was fact. Show some integrity and act like this area of the website is really what it is and that is unconfirmed, hearsay usually posted without much concrete proof.
    It is increasingly annoying when stories are posted on here as facts when they are not. Your link led to a rumor from 2007 without any sort of evidence to suggest he was considered for anything.
    Quit insulting our intelligence.

  17. Nick Shank says: Feb 8, 2010 10:30 PM

    Also it is impossible to be 100% on Drafting Players from College as it is not an exact science.
    Chris Johnson was very fast at ECU, but had people predicted the success he had, he would of been the clear cut #1 pick 2008 even though the Dolphins had Ronnie Brown.

  18. IAVikefan says: Feb 8, 2010 10:31 PM

    Mayock is the most reliable draft analyst EVER… but even he isn’t perfect…. still, if he has one weakness, it’s kissing Oklahoma arse too much… still, i don’t see how this can’t be a win-win situation for the Rams or the Lions. How can you go wrong with the first 2 picks?

  19. rocman101 says: Feb 8, 2010 10:41 PM

    “The Lions are in a win-win situation right here.”
    The Lions are never in a win-win situation.

  20. Outsyder says: Feb 8, 2010 10:43 PM

    Mayock is the same guy that called DHB to the Raiders months before the draft and everyone laughed at him.

  21. Hugified Wang says: Feb 8, 2010 10:43 PM

    Mayock would be better if he didn’t sound like he wanted to bend me over every time he talks. I’m super thanks for asking, Mike.

  22. VoxVagina says: Feb 8, 2010 10:44 PM

    Yeah i noticed this a couple of days ago and it was kind of weird. I’m sure he has a valid argument. Suh has been getting way too much hype for his performance vs Texas, which is really the first time a lot of people really watched him carefully. He’s a beast, but people could be overrating him just a tad

  23. stiller43 says: Feb 8, 2010 10:52 PM

    Seriously? That scroll has had Suh #2 for a week and a half at least.

  24. big_d79 says: Feb 8, 2010 10:58 PM

    Mayock knows his stuff, I believe he said Cutler was the best QB in his draft class and he down played all the Darren Mcfadden hype too.

  25. coz says: Feb 8, 2010 11:10 PM

    the lions will never be in a win-win situation

  26. Phreakin says: Feb 8, 2010 11:19 PM

    I’ll just sum this up with one thing….
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..
    This has as much of a chance happening as the Raiders making a smart draft kick this year. Or the lions not taking an offensve player.

  27. monet99 says: Feb 8, 2010 11:24 PM

    Mayock is 100 times better then Mcshay and Kiper

  28. T. says: Feb 8, 2010 11:26 PM

    Anyone who believes Mayock is the best “draftnik” does not follow Rick Gosselin’s work. “Goose” consistently gets more top 100 guys than anyone else. Mayock isn’t even second (try Gil Brandt).

  29. IWanttoPunchFloriointheFace says: Feb 8, 2010 11:34 PM

    I seriously doubt if McCoy knows how to spell his own name. Suh is an intelligent can’t miss prospect and McCoy will spend many hours at the many McDonald’s in the McCity he happens to land…I’m willing to bet my entire life savings of $12.98 that Mayock is wrong on this one.

  30. straverse says: Feb 8, 2010 11:47 PM

    snnyccbs- You think Mayock is evaluating players for free? I think not. In fact, I guarantee you that dude makes way more money than any scout that works for a team.

  31. Play4Blood says: Feb 9, 2010 12:16 AM

    You’re only a month of so late on this one. Where ya been?

  32. Huskersrule says: Feb 9, 2010 12:24 AM

    One simple question. Which player improved more his senior year. Well lets see Suh improved and McCoy performed about the same as last year. I would take the player still growing.

  33. Cowboy4Life says: Feb 9, 2010 12:32 AM

    He went on the Dan Patrick show and explained why he likes McCoy in detail. It was on about three weeks ago.

  34. Route36West says: Feb 9, 2010 1:44 AM

    And Malcolm Kelly was still drafted just 2 places behind Desean Jackson. Shows how much all these experts really know. They steadily moved Desean down the draft board all year long. Until he was drafted behind Donnie Avery, Devin Thomas, Jordy Nelson, James Hardy, Eddie Royal, and Jerome Simpson in that order.
    Not 1 of those guys have came close to what Desean has done. These experts over analyze these things so much. They look at size and combine results instead of pure ability and how these guys play in live action.
    Now Mayock has McCoy over Suh even tho he has been outperformed by Suh at every juncture. The sad thing is even if say McCoy has a slightly better career then Suh people will say Mayock was right. Thats not neccessarily the case. If the team that drafts Suh plays terrible for however long his contract is and and the team that gets McCoy turns it around in say 2 years then of course McCoys stats will be better. He will have better people around him.
    Thats why I think its wrong and inaccurate when people look back at drafts and say this guy should have been drafted infront of this other guy. They dont take everything into account. A million things can happen that can make peoples lifes go in different directions.
    You never know maybe if the team that drafts Suh in my hypothetical future decided to draft McCoy instead then Suh would have been the one with the better career.

  35. Tompadre says: Feb 9, 2010 3:11 AM

    Mayock is right on on some picks & way off on others, just like most of these guys. Most of the so called “draft experts” are similiar in their evaulations and the top picks have some variance but are within the ballpark on each individual list. The thing I like with Mayock is his reasoning for his opinion on a particular player. It generally makes sense and whether you agree with it or not you at least can see how he came to his conclusion.
    I heard another evaluator rate McCoy ahead of Suh because he felt McCoy would be the better pass rusher of the two. It was also said Suh finally matured enough this year to understand and utilize his talents. He’s been huge all year, not just the Texas game.

  36. tatum32 says: Feb 9, 2010 6:28 AM

    # INVAIDUH says: February 8, 2010 9:39 PM
    bogus report…
    Raiders weren’t looking for him. GFY
    Yes they were, idiot. How the f%&k did you think Lombardi ended up on NFL Network? davis went after Payton, Super Bowl, gave Gruden his start Super Bowl…and before he interviewed Gruden, he interviewed Belichick…. an ex LB coach Don Martindale on a horrific Raider 05 team, was still sought after and is now the Broncos Defensive Coordinator…Bill Callahan is an assistant on the AFC Jets that upset the Chargers…
    Davis just cant respect a coach that gets more credit….. DAVIS was looking at Mayock and a number of other people…he just doesnt pay…and now coaches are using him as a stepping stone to other jobs (Kiffin in particular).
    Lets know about the Raiders before we spin crap, mkaaayyyyy…

  37. We need linemen says: Feb 9, 2010 7:12 AM

    I love it when I see the “the people who are paid to do it don’t rate the tv experts.”
    First, the guys being paid by the teams get it wrong a lot of the time. Even the truly great personnel execs make a lot of mistakes.
    Second, Mayock is getting paid to evaluate players and quite probably getting paid a lot more by doing it for television than he ever would doing it for a team.
    Sure, he has no ultimate accountability to the success of a team, but if he keeps making bad picks he going to be just as fired. Mayock probably has greater job security than your typical personnel exec but that might be a good thing. He can spend less time covering his arse.

  38. Cerberus says: Feb 9, 2010 7:33 AM

    The Raiders don’t count?
    Three 5 Super Bowl appearances and 3 Lombardi Trophies, and they don’t count?
    B.S. Florio, your true colors are showing as well as your disdain for Al Davis. Just because you don’t like the man doesn’t make him less than you. In fact, Davis’ craps know more about football than you’ll ever know!

  39. sand0 says: Feb 9, 2010 7:37 AM

    Mayock knows more than I do and I do understand that. But I have to disagree with him on this. Suh has the knee injuries, which is concerning, but I think that Suh is the better player.
    McCoy probably has a bit more pass rush ability and more ability to chase down plays that bounce outside as well as get more tackles for loss. In an aggressive pass rush orientated defense, which a lot of teams are going to, McCoy would probably be the better player.
    However, Suh also has the ability to do some of those things. And in addition, Suh just seems like that Kevin Williams type of player who can absolutely anchor a defensive line against the run. In a Tampa 2 type of defense, Suh could lock down the inside while getting consistent push into the face of the QB on passing downs while a D relies on the edge guys to do the pass rushing.
    Then again I’m no expert.

  40. steeelfann says: Feb 9, 2010 8:11 AM

    Mayock, shmayock. He is overrated. He just has that intense brow over his one eye that makes him look realllly serious.
    I remember when the Patriots acquired Chad Brown from the Seahawks. Mayock went on and on how it would not be an instant help as Chad Brown had to learn to play in the 3-4. Never mind that Chad Brown had 5 years with the Steelers in the 3-4 before going to the Seahawks.
    Best in the business.

  41. packerfanfornot4life says: Feb 9, 2010 8:14 AM

    If these schmucks were any good at identifying NFL talent, they would have a job with a real NFL organization. And no, as long as Al Davis is in charge, the Raiders don’t count.
    they likely make more money now than they would working for a team

  42. DieHardSkinsFan21 says: Feb 9, 2010 8:18 AM

    Thank GOD the Skins no longer have Cerratto’s dumbass, he went strictly off of Kiper’s draft board. That is how we ended up with worthless Malcolm Kelly. Kiper has a man crush on Jimmy Clausen and I think he sucks. He will not be a stand out in the NFL just because he dealt with controversy and ran a “pro style” offense. I also think that Sam Brandford isn’t a top ten, but I guess we will see. The draft is going to be full of surprises and I hope that Bradford and Clausen will not be two of them in the top ten. Kiper sucks at what he does and should not be paid for his sh*t analysis.

  43. richabbs says: Feb 9, 2010 8:32 AM

    Gosselin is not an assessor of talent, he simply makes predictions about who will be drafted by what team. He does this by calling sources on the various teams and asking them who the team will be picking (or, at least their rankings). This can backfire, as smart teams like the Patriots often put out bad information on purpose (Gosselin had Gholston going to the Patriots in 2008).

  44. Bob S. says: Feb 9, 2010 8:38 AM

    He played that one game with the New York Giants.

  45. No-Neck says: Feb 9, 2010 9:23 AM

    These “draftniks” couldn’t hold the jocks of any of the League’s GMs. All they are are guys who compile the work done by other scouts and media. Sure they go to the combines and watch some tape, but they don’t have a staff of scouts who scour the country for players. They only focus on the first round or two of the draft and absolutely have no idea what happens in later rounds. A “draftnik” has nothing to lose if his picks are wrong. GMs and scouts get fired for screwing up.

  46. Junior says: Feb 9, 2010 9:29 AM

    “As a follow-up to the report from Jerry McDonald of InsideBayArea.com regarding the possibility that the Raiders will hire NFLN draft guru Mike Mayock as a personnel executive, sources tell us that the Raiders considered hiring Mayock a year ago.
    Mayock, we’re told, didn’t get an offer at the time. It could be that owner Al Davis was thinking about dumping Mike Lombardi, but in the end decided not to do so.”
    From your own blog dumbass. Do you expect/hope that people won’t follow your links? Good anit-Raider spin though.

  47. runtheball says: Feb 9, 2010 9:50 AM

    Mayock played the game at its highest level.
    He was a 10th round pick that was on a roster for 1 f’n season.
    Maybe Rudy should be held out as a draft expert since he played at the highest level of college football at a pressure cooker environment at Notre Dame.

  48. green&bold says: Feb 9, 2010 10:54 AM

    I follow the draft pretty closely and Mayock is easily the best “draftnik” not on an NFL payroll. Much better than Kiper and much better than many of the websites that claim to be run by a scout.

  49. T. says: Feb 9, 2010 1:38 PM

    @ richabbs (who said, “Gosselin is not an assessor of talent, he simply makes predictions about who will be drafted by what team. He does this by calling sources on the various teams and asking them who the team will be picking [or, at least their rankings]. This can backfire, as smart teams like the Patriots often put out bad information on purpose Gosselin had Gholston going to the Patriots in 2008].):
    Well, I don’t know if I would go so far as to say he is not an assessor of talent. He certainly knows what it takes to succeed in the NFL. I do agree that he is a dialed-in guy (in the most literal sense of the phrase). But why does that necessarily make Mayock the better “draftnik”? And while you might say Gosselin’s method backfires, and make a really poor effort at supporting that argument by mentioning Gholston*, again I submit that Gosselin predicts the draft far better than Mayock. And, after all, what are we talking about here if not that?
    * – Gosselin wasn’t the only one thinking the Pats were hot for Gholston. Many draft watchers did, and probably other teams. And considering that your example is pretty heavily tainted by the fact that the Pats were clearly motivated in their actions NOT because they were talking to a reporter, but instead because they were trying to dupe the hated (by them, anyway) New York Jets, you haven’t really given a lot of evidence that Gosselin shouldn’t be relied upon.

  50. Justin says: Feb 9, 2010 8:22 PM

    tatum32 says:
    February 9, 2010 6:28 AM
    “Yes they were, idiot. How the f%&k did you think Lombardi ended up on NFL Network? davis went after Payton, Super Bowl, gave Gruden his start Super Bowl…and before he interviewed Gruden, he interviewed Belichick…. an ex LB coach Don Martindale on a horrific Raider 05 team, was still sought after and is now the Broncos Defensive Coordinator…Bill Callahan is an assistant on the AFC Jets that upset the Chargers…
    Davis just cant respect a coach that gets more credit….. DAVIS was looking at Mayock and a number of other people…he just doesnt pay…and now coaches are using him as a stepping stone to other jobs (Kiffin in particular).
    Lets know about the Raiders before we spin crap, mkaaayyyyy…”
    What are you even babbling about? Your entire post did not mention Mayock whatsoever. Great argument, fool.

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