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Sean Payton discussed onside kick with officials

The New Orleans Saints’ onside kick to open the second half has been the most talked-about decision of Super Bowl XLIV. But one detail deserves to be talked about a little more: Payton didn’t just discuss the play with his players, he also discussed it with the officials.

“We felt real good, to the point where we actually talked about it with the officials,” Payton said. “They said, ‘If you do it, what’s it going to look like?’ I said, ‘It’s not if, we’re gonna.'”

It’s not unusual for coaches to discuss trick plays with the officials, but it usually happens in a case where the coach wants to make sure there’s no potential penalty on the play. For instance, if a team is planning to throw a pass to an offensive tackle, the coach might discuss the formation of the play with the referee before the game to make sure the tackle will be an eligible receiver.

The onside kick — which was run out of a standard kickoff formation — doesn’t seem to be the type of play that would have a coach worried about a potential penalty. But Payton’s decision to discuss the onside kick with the officials shows that he wanted to be absolutely certain he had everything in order on the play that will be remembered as one of the gutsiest in Super Bowl history.

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  1. 2brauneyz says: Feb 8, 2010 12:28 PM

    I may be a football newbie, but this seems really weird to me.

  2. D wins games says: Feb 8, 2010 12:29 PM

    I have to laugh at how everyone is such a Monday Morning genius. If Hank Baskett, a WR no less, doesn’t bungle the onsides kick and the Colts take the short field and get a TD for 17-6, Payton is an idiot. Instead, he is a wizard. Stover misses an FG by 2 feet (and had the distance) so the Colts should have gone for it on 4th and 11 (in SB42 Pats had exact same situation, went for it and failed and after EVERYONE screamed they should have kicked the FG!). Everything is so clear in hindsight!

  3. LL Live says: Feb 8, 2010 12:33 PM

    It was in Peter King’s MMQB this am…

  4. Bill Cowher's Chin says: Feb 8, 2010 12:35 PM

    Anybody see Brees with his so after the game, any chance Peyton Manning is the father, that kids forehead was almost as big as Manning’s Frankenstein (5)head….

  5. Tufdan says: Feb 8, 2010 12:40 PM

    As a High school and college official I can tell you this is done a lot to alert us to special plays. On-side kicks are tricky because as an official you don’t want to alert the other team by having one official out of place or leaning the wrong way, but it is nice to know which direction you will be moving at the kickoff. In the lower levels at the end of close games we will routinely bring the side or field judges up closer to the 10 yard recovery zone to help with the call.

  6. Thorpie says: Feb 8, 2010 12:42 PM

    Great, now we will have to hear all about how the refs were in on it. Let the conspiracy theories roll!!

  7. bucc19 says: Feb 8, 2010 12:44 PM

    OK here we go, cue the idiot Viking fans saying the refs screwed them and the NFL and the media conspired so that the Saints could win the Superbowl. Even thoug they were fairly BEATEN 2 weeks ago…who dat? The NFC south thats who!

  8. chicagosundevil says: Feb 8, 2010 12:46 PM

    Sean Payton and Greg (double G) Williams CLEARLY outcoached Jim Caldwell and the Colts.

  9. Nuckinfutz says: Feb 8, 2010 12:48 PM

    I’m sure that Bill Polian will see to it that the officials lose their jobs, for not informing him of it.

  10. hizzle1281 says: Feb 8, 2010 12:48 PM

    how come this guy didnt win Coach of the Year?
    p.s. Who won it anyways?

  11. NinersRule! says: Feb 8, 2010 12:50 PM

    I liked the part where Hank Baskett fumbled it.

  12. samh says: Feb 8, 2010 12:51 PM

    He probably wanted to make extra sure that they were watching. He didn’t want to catch the Colts & Zebras off-guard and have the refs potentially not watching the recovery or paying attention to how far the ball traveled, etc.

  13. emoser says: Feb 8, 2010 12:59 PM

    “Anybody see Brees with his so after the game, any chance Peyton Manning is the father, that kids forehead was almost as big as Manning’s Frankenstein (5)head….”
    I guess you must not see many small children with that Megan’s Law restriction and all… tons of newborns look like that when until they’re a couple years old. Big man getting off making fun of toddlers.

  14. Bob S. says: Feb 8, 2010 1:00 PM

    the game was fixed. all he probably told them was “,make sure you rule WE recovered OR they are offside!”
    BECAUSE if it was colts recovered it, the game was OVER the other way!
    called practically nopenalties against saints till near the end of game.
    a very typical 2009 pre-lockout game when nfl owners who NOT ONE REPORTER EVER LINKS TO GOING TO VEGAS AT ANY TIME like players do, that the line dropped yesterday to saints and the BETTER TEAM ON PAPER IN EVERY EXPERT’S EYE shows up and plays like garbage on national tv.
    NFL is worse than WWF because no one bets on the WWF – NFL season for 2010 is being planned right now. i mean the script not the schedule!

  15. longthoughts says: Feb 8, 2010 1:01 PM

    Yeah, I loved this in King’s MMQB, too. I guess “reporters” don’t have to give one another credit anymore?

  16. moreflagsmorefun says: Feb 8, 2010 1:04 PM

    Peyton called Archie too, to tell him he was scared and that Payton wasn’t letting him do what he want’s to do, Archie asked him if he want’s his little brother Eli to take over……

  17. cheeseweasel says: Feb 8, 2010 1:09 PM

    If they would have called the facemask like they should have on the final play of the Packers/Cardinals game, we’d be watching a Packers victory today. (snicker….)

  18. Adam says: Feb 8, 2010 1:11 PM

    hizzle1281 says:
    February 8, 2010 12:48 PM
    how come this guy didnt win Coach of the Year?
    p.s. Who won it anyways?
    Marvin Lewis of the Bengals…not my first choice haha

  19. Pauli The Hook says: Feb 8, 2010 1:14 PM

    The Colts Coach is a Moron. He Should not even be a coach. Dungy appointed him to position ………… Manning is the Coach, Caldwell looks Dummer than Wade “Capt Kangaroo” Phillips … At least Phillips gives the Aww Shucks , Dog Gonnit on some plays..
    Caldwell Makes NO Decisions for sure………….
    Sean Payton,,,, Jerrah Jones Let you go I’m sure he is vomiting this morning…

  20. 1IH says: Feb 8, 2010 1:14 PM

    @Bill Cowher’s Chin says:
    February 8, 2010 12:35 PM
    You are an IDIOT!!!!!!
    Go ahead internet tough guy! Get you some.

  21. 1IH says: Feb 8, 2010 1:17 PM

    For the record I posted my tilt to the IDIOT before I read “emoser’s” reply!

  22. downsouth49er says: Feb 8, 2010 1:18 PM

    THE GAME WAS RIGGED I TELL YA

  23. James Cogan says: Feb 8, 2010 1:22 PM

    You can play to win, or play not to lose. Payton went for it on 4th-and-goal (didn’t work) and then tried that famous onside kick. No matter how you view Payton, what is absolutely clear is that he coached his team to win without fear of losing. And it worked. Whatever praise and accolades are showered upon him after this game, are totally deserved. What a coach.

  24. zappa says: Feb 8, 2010 1:27 PM

    The Saints played great after the first period, could have beaten anyone. Saints easily beat Cards, get lucky against the Vikes and win big against the Colts. Thats how it’s done in pro football. Saints were on a mission and met with destiny. I’ll take it, Go Saints!

  25. footballnut says: Feb 8, 2010 1:41 PM

    @ Bob S.
    Go find a therapist because you’re obviously having some issues.
    The Colts were outplayed last night.
    If you can’t handle losing a bet seek some help. It’s out there for degenerates like you who complain about games being fixed when the favorite doesn’t win. It’s called gambling for a reason nitwit.
    Congrats on the win New Orleans! Job well done.

  26. Bucfs says: Feb 8, 2010 1:45 PM

    I’m wondering if Colts won the toss would Sean Payton have called onside kick to start the game?

  27. RayDaMayor says: Feb 8, 2010 1:45 PM

    Payton has the guts of a burgular. He is exciting and refreshing as a coach in the NFL. We need more of these guys.
    Congrats Saints!

  28. steelwarriors55 says: Feb 8, 2010 1:47 PM

    The thing I dont get is how in the hell would they talk about it ?

  29. Ilovefoolsball says: Feb 8, 2010 1:50 PM

    I love reading all of the comments from the bitter sore loser fans. I love love love it! Bring on your conspiracy theories and insults to Brees’ son. Bring on your “if this would’ve happened” “if he just catches that” “if Baskett just holds on to the ball”. PLEASE keep saying the game was rigged and try to rob every ounce of credit from the Saints.
    PLEASE keep em comin. I’m going to read every sports article and blog that talks about all that B.S. because you can’t do anything to change the outcome.
    THE SAINTS ARE SUPERBOWL CHAMPIONS!!!! WOOOOOHOOOOO!
    READ IT AND WEEP LOSERS!!!

  30. Bigike55 says: Feb 8, 2010 1:51 PM

    Quick question i thought a 2 point converstion wasnt challengeable… even thought iam glad it was cause it was the right call but just wondering about that.

  31. Caldon says: Feb 8, 2010 1:58 PM

    I would love to know how the onside kick was rigged since the saints player clearly had it and came out of the pile with it in his possession.
    Not to mention, the only way “on paper” the colts were better was if you really believed Manning was a god like everyone was hyping, and if you believed that you should have your head examined since his history shows he is a regular season stud and a playoff dud.
    Saints – Better offense then colts (rushing by a mile, points per game etc), QB better then Manning in several major areas (comp %, TD’s, Td to Int ratio). Manning in yards.
    Saints – Better Special Teams (punt/kick returns and coverage)
    Saints – Better Turnover ratio and red zone defense. Colts better in points allowed.
    Coaching – I’d take Payton and his staff over Caldwell and his any day.
    Both were #1 teams in their conferences and the Saints had to go through much tougher competition to win the SB. If you really believed the colts were going to trounce on the saints, well, then sorry for all the money you lost betting but you deserved it.

  32. Human Howitzer says: Feb 8, 2010 1:59 PM

    Pauli The Hook says:
    “The Colts Coach is a Moron. He Should not even be a coach. …. Caldwell Makes NO Decisions for sure………….”
    What’s your basis for this? Is it that Caldwell doesn’t go bananas on the sidelines… therefore, he’s dumb? If you’ve heard him speak in a press conference or elsewhere, you know that he comes across as a pretty smart guy. His team made it to the Super Bowl… he must have done SOMETHING right this season.
    “Sean Payton,,,, Jerrah Jones Let you go I’m sure he is vomiting this morning…”
    I’ll have to agree with you on THAT point. ;^)

  33. spyboots says: Feb 8, 2010 2:03 PM

    @ samh, RayDaMayor, football nut – right on!
    @ Bob S – a bitter Colts fan?
    @ Bill Cowher’s Chin – Your comments are inappropriate
    Congrats to the Saints, their city, and their fans.

  34. bluestree says: Feb 8, 2010 2:30 PM

    cheeseweasel says:
    February 8, 2010 1:09 PM
    If they would have called the facemask like they should have on the final play of the Packers/Cardinals game, we’d be watching a Packers victory today. (snicker….)
    ——————————–
    I’m a cheeser too but I can’t forget the 50-burger the Saints put on us two years ago. When they are on their game, no one is any better than New Orleans. Nobody gave them this game or any other (are you listening Vike fans?), the Saints, players and coaches, TOOK it like your lunch money. ‘Nuf said.

  35. Maximum Bob says: Feb 8, 2010 2:44 PM

    @ Bob S.
    the game was fixed. all he probably told them was “,make sure you rule WE recovered OR they are offside!”
    BECAUSE if it was colts recovered it, the game was OVER the other way!
    called practically nopenalties against saints till near the end of game.
    a very typical 2009 pre-lockout game when nfl owners who NOT ONE REPORTER EVER LINKS TO GOING TO VEGAS AT ANY TIME like players do, that the line dropped yesterday to saints and the BETTER TEAM ON PAPER IN EVERY EXPERT’S EYE shows up and plays like garbage on national tv.
    NFL is worse than WWF because no one bets on the WWF – NFL season for 2010 is being planned right now. i mean the script not the schedule!
    _________________________________
    Dude! We get it: you think the games are fixed. Stop watching…..

  36. The Real Shuxion says: Feb 8, 2010 3:08 PM

    @ Bob S.
    For a Colts fan to think that they are getting screwed by the refs is beyond insane.
    If the refs screw the Colts, Polian will make sure they are fired.

  37. whenharrywetsally says: Feb 8, 2010 3:23 PM

    True that Tufdan.
    I too ref and that kind of conversation often takes place before the game just so they know something is coming and to make sure the officials on the line know to stay put to make sure, in this case that the ball travels 10 yards, no illegal touching, etc.
    They refs don’t give any “tips” that anything strange is coming but they just want to be aware so they are not caught off guard and have to have be called into the principals office for a discussion with Mikey P or the new guy!!!
    No conspiracy, no cockieness (which Hank probably wasn’t allowed to give Kendra any last night), etc…

  38. Steeler-lady says: Feb 8, 2010 3:29 PM

    Hey Bob S…a very typical 2009 pre-lockout game when nfl owners who NOT ONE REPORTER EVER LINKS TO GOING TO VEGAS AT ANY TIME like players do, that the line dropped yesterday to saints and the BETTER TEAM ON PAPER IN EVERY EXPERT’S EYE shows up and plays like garbage on national tv.
    Does this mean the Steelers Corner didnt get burnt this year and the D blew 5 4th quarter leads.. cus afterall we were the better team on PAPER!
    Its any given SUNDAY! Your just mad you lost money.. for the past 2weeks all we heard about was PEYTON THIS and PEYTON THAT.. Im glad they overlooked Drew and the D that led the league in takeaways… Congrats to the Saints!

  39. Gautam says: Feb 8, 2010 3:31 PM

    everything is so easy for you idiots to analyze in hindsight!

  40. SF Saints Fan says: Feb 8, 2010 5:26 PM

    Bob S.:
    All you have is penalties! Penalties? The Saints won the game. Did you even watch the game?
    The Saints defeated teams quarterbacked by three (potentially first ballot) Hall of Fame QB’s (Warner, Favre and Manning) in three successive games. Never been done before and may never be done again. Epic win by Saints.
    Bob S.: Epic Fail

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