The questions started soon after the Packers signed linebacker Brandon Chillar to a long-term contract. Could A.J. Hawk, no longer a three-down player, be on the way out?
The answer for 2010 will be no according to Hawk’s agent.
“They’re not going to ask [for a pay cut],” Mike McCartney told the Green Bay Press-Gazette Monday. “They think A.J. is a very important part of their football team. I have full confidence that A.J. is going to have a big year next year, and I think they have the same kind of confidence.”
Hawk is due $4.6 million next season, and he often sits on passing downs for Chillar. The team also have a promising backup in Desmond Bishop.
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel believes Hawk could lose his starting job, but NFL teams rarely give up players that can help them win. Hawk is still a solid player for them, if overpaid.
So while the Packers expected Hawk to provide more than quality depth, it looks like he’ll remain in Green Bay for at least one more season.
overpaid underachiever, typical of ohio state linebackers. And I am a packer fan
Minimum wage is too much for that long-haired over-rated bum.
Wow, an NFL team actually living up to it’s contractual obligations? I’ll believe it when I see it. We are so quick to rag on players who want raises based upon their percieved values, so quick to admonish them to “live up to the contracts they signed”. But the fact is that the teams sign those contracts too, and routinely break them whenever they want.
Hawk is the best LB against the run that the Packers have, so of course they will keep him.
You thnk that Hawk and Matthews have “girls night” where they wash each other’s hair, do their nails and then give each other facials?
Rumor has it that it’s true.
Pretty damn disturbing of you ask me…
Chillar and Hawk. 2 part time LB’s with $10 million in salary between them. Nice work Teddy.
I wonder if AJ was on performance enhancing drugs in college. He is not the same player he was then. He seems slow and weaker then his college days which is obviously the reason it is so noticable how average of an NFL player he is.
Well … he needs to become a game-changer, which is what the 5th overall pick should be. He’s not terrible by any means, but he also hasn’t been super great either. Then again – it’s the 3-4 defense, where the more linebackers you have, the better.
Don’t sweat the prediction.
We come here for gossip not expert analysis.
I remember hearing on draft day, how all the so called Geniuses in the four letter n/w raved about A.J. Hawk and what a safe pick he is at top-5. We all know how it worked out. Moral to the story- draft day is a over-hyped endeavor to have more viewership.
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/packers_fan_announces_he_will
There’s the right link.
packerswin says:
February 9, 2010 9:16 AM
Hawk is the best LB against the run that the Packers have, so of course they will keep him.
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What Packer games do you watch? He’s like the 3rd or 4th guy to the pile most of the time.
I agree with Hydra…had to be steroids in college.
Wow, PFT is starting to include pictures with the stories. Must be that formidable NBC budget, right Mr. Florio??? ;-D
“overpaid underachiever, typical of ohio state linebackers. And I am a packer fan”
Cosign, I’ve had just about enough of the Buckeye Sisters, Vajayjay Hawk and Barbie Carpenter. Though Carpenter has improved to the point of almost being practice squad-worthy.
Is Mike McCartney, who I guess has replaced Mike McCarthy with very little media coverage, any relation to Paul McCartney?
Yes Ted missed with AJ but again he has become slower then he was in college even. HGH? So it would be hard pressed to blame anyone if someone was selected while on PED’s. Hindsight is always 20/20. Ted hit in 2009 like a master!
*McCarthy
+ obligatory “____ is a tool for mis-spelling his name” post.
A.J.’s play has gone downhill ever since he married Brady Quinn’s sister…..
the only true things are that AJ Hawk is not an inside LB, he must play outside and rush the passer in a 3-4 defense or play strong side in a 4-3, as same as Aaron Kampman is a pure DE in a 4-3 defense not an outside linebacker. If you change scheme you must have the right player to do it.
McCartney is Hawk’s agent
Hawk’s been a consistent player for them. Hasn’t done anything spectacular but he’s still probably the best overall LB they have week to week. He’s 10 times better then Barnett who plays the ILB/MLB position with absolutly zero instincts and overruns plays constantly. I have no idea what they see in Chillar to pay him what they did.
What’s crazy is the thought of them needing to ask that question considering how much cap space the Packers waste every year. Thompson must get paid a bonus based on cap space.
To those of you who think Hawk is the best inside linebacker on this team, you haven’t been watching games. I’ll admit, at times this year, I was finally impressed with Hawk. It looked like things were finally coming together, but he’s been burned more times than not. He’s slow and can’t wrap up running backs. The times that he looks like a stud are when things are put right in his lap, kinda like when Hasselback tossed the ball right to him with not ONE seahawk around him.
For all we know, he’ll be like most players in their contract year and play like a stud. Then, Ted will resign him to a huge contract, and he’ll resort back to his normal self. Then we can bitch about him for another 5-6 years.
What did Thompson nail in the ’09 draft? He got Matthews, which looks like a great pick, but what else? Raji? TJ Lang? 1 good player doesn’t qualify a draft as being great.
And Hydra, you shouldn’t be posting on here while driving. It’s snowing out, pay attention to the roads.
Adam-Chris
That video link was great. Good find.
“What’s crazy is the thought of them needing to ask that question considering how much cap space the Packers waste every year”
Of course not. AJ is a very important part of the Packers locker room. He is the only one that knows how to braid Clay Mathews hair.
Believe it or not, Hawk is too much of a thinker. He doesn’t free range AT ALL…..which is a sign of a good LB. He knows every assignment and executes it pretty well, but he doesn’t ever leave his assignment when the play is not coming at him. I think he’s a good player, he just doesn’t have any improvisational skills. Improving his speed would help in pass coverage, but I think he just needs to learn how to be more of a ball hawk.
Get it, ball “hawk”. Heyooooo! I’ll be here all night ladies and gentlemen, tip your waitress.
What’s the deal with Ohio State LBs anyway? Even though I’m no TT fan, at the time all the so-called experts thought Hawk was a good pick. For a top ten pick the guy is clearly a bust.
No No No…you have got the headline messed up.
It should read Agent: Packers won’t ask Hawk to get a haircut.
Something tells me you may know how to do corn rolls Pervy!
in the 3-4 scheme the packers run, hawk is the ILB that serves the primary role of taking on blockers. This is primarily to keep the other ILB (Barnett) from being blocked so he can make the play. While Hawk has not lived up to the #5 pick, he is a solid to above average LB. Most often people don’t recognize this because they only choose to look at stats and are pretty….f’in stupid. He’s not worth 5 mil/year but he’s not training camp fodder either. If you look at his production his first 2 years you wouldn’t complain. Year 3 he had multiple injuries and changed positions. Year 4 he changed defensive schemes. There is plenty of talent there so it is not surprising that they’re keeping him.
And yes, they also have to keep him to braid CM3′s hair.
McCartney = Agent
McCarthy = Coach
Well, imagine my embarrassment. I’m man enough to admit when an insult backfires. Rosenthal, my apologies for insulting your editing/journalism skills.
No, I can’t do it. I just can’t.
Gregg, you’re terrible. However, in this case, my sarcastic insult was as well. I’m sure you will hand me many more opportunities in the future, which I will be sure to take advanage of.
# Pervy Harvin says: February 9, 2010 10:37 AM
Of course not. AJ is a very important part of the Packers locker room. He is the only one that knows how to braid Clay Mathews hair.
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That’s still better than Adrian Peterson’s locker room antics of naked wrestling with his fullback:
http://tinyurl.com/ydzeap8
Could they at least ask him to take a hair cut.
Adam Cris
classic HAHAHAHA
Why do you guys keep commenting on other guys hair? You sound like a bunch of queers. What next? You going to comment on whether they wear boxers or briefs? Get a life!
Hawk is not a bust, but is not what you hope for out of the number 5 pick. His problem is in pass coverage, so he needs to be scheme protected. He is still better then half the linebackers in the league. Vernon Davis, the TE taken after Hawk, just started to contribute this past season, meanwhile Hawk has played a lot of football already, rarely missing time. Fans expected him to be an all pro based on draft position, but because he’s not doesn’t make him a bust. He’s just a good football player, and those you try to keep till someone beats them out.
Majik Bullet says:
February 9, 2010 10:29 AM
What did Thompson nail in the ’09 draft? He got Matthews, which looks like a great pick, but what else? Raji? TJ Lang? 1 good player doesn’t qualify a draft as being great.
And Hydra, you shouldn’t be posting on here while driving. It’s snowing out, pay attention to the roads.
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And one season is too early to tell how good or great a player will be. Sheesh, all you retards who think you can predict the future based on one season drive me nuts.
Both Lang and Raji picked their respective games up as the season went on. And let’s not forget TT’s 7th round pick- Brad Jones, who picked up and improved the position when Kampman left for the season.
“karpsta “cap space” isn’t fake money. Using your cap space foolishly is what gets teams in trouble. Those are real dollars. The cap is just the MOST you can spend. So what isn’t spent is in their reserves. This isn’t a video game son.”
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And Hydra, having tons of cap space and not filling obvious holes, or using it to resign your own free agents is a waste. They have plenty of space to gamble on a player or 2 who could actually make an impact on the team. To sit with 20 mil under the cap and have your QB getting destroyed because somebody ignored the OL for the last 4 years is crazy.
Hawk will still have this year to prove himself. Bishop is not assignment sure and Hawk takes on blockers better than any other ILB.
Chillar has been given an extension because he is best in coverage.
TT’s emphasis will be elsewhere this offseason.
As far as taking a pay cut on the GBP, the first player to be asked may be fan favorite Donald Driver at $7 million. He fell off quickly during the latter part of the year, disappeared against AZ, and was healthy from what I can tell. GB has young receivers, while none of them are speed burners, neither is Driver.
@Pervy- I think Peterson just fumbled again.
RE: Hawk- He hasn’t been “elite” like we’d expect from a top 5 pick, but he has been pretty solid and consistent. Yes he’s over paid, but I wouldn’t consider him a bust in the least.
“What did Thompson nail in the ’09 draft? He got Matthews, which looks like a great pick, but what else? Raji? TJ Lang? 1 good player doesn’t qualify a draft as being great.”
Dude why the hell are you determing how good a draft pick is after one freakin’year? How about you give them some time instead of finding a way to blame Thompson for drafting them.
And I can see you are still the bitter asshole you are. I can not believe you are still this upset over what Thompson did to Favre. And don’t say that isn’t the reason because everyone on this site knows it’s true.
I admit Hawk hasn’t played up to his #5 status but it isn’t like he has crashed and burned ever since coming to Green Bay. He has been solid and provides depth to the Packers’linebacker core.
packers4life says: February 9, 2010 12:06 PM
Dude why the hell are you determing how good a draft pick is after one freakin’year? How about you give them some time instead of finding a way to blame Thompson for drafting them.
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2 way street man. If I can’t say this was a bad draft class, then it’s also too early to say it was a great one, like all Packer fans are doing.
And if you’re going to tell me to stop hating Thompson, you should take that same advice, replace Thompson with Favre, and tell all the rst of your bitter brethren to stop burning jerseys.
As for my hatred of Thompson, it started long before he traded Favre. It was drafting a QB in’05 when they already had their QB of the future. It was refusing to give a 4th round pick for the best WR in all of football. It was hiring McCarthy, the offensive coordinator of the worst offense in the NFL, when there were plenty of qualified candidates available. Moves like that, that’s why I think Ted is a dumb ass.
Yet it’s ok for Hydra to say he “nailed the 09 draft?”
You Packer fans are a bunch of turds.
Hypocritcal to the point of surrealism.
You will rip on any Viking miscue, bad draft pick, yet we “need to give the Packer picks time”.
I’m sure you have all looked at the schedules and are predicting 13 wins and a deep playoff run or even a super bowl, right?
Happens every year.
I’m going to laugh my ass off when this team falls on it’s face this coming year.
karpsta says:
February 9, 2010 11:46 AM
“karpsta “cap space” isn’t fake money. Using your cap space foolishly is what gets teams in trouble. Those are real dollars. The cap is just the MOST you can spend. So what isn’t spent is in their reserves. This isn’t a video game son.”
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And Hydra, having tons of cap space and not filling obvious holes, or using it to resign your own free agents is a waste. They have plenty of space to gamble on a player or 2 who could actually make an impact on the team. To sit with 20 mil under the cap and have your QB getting destroyed because somebody ignored the OL for the last 4 years is crazy
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You are missing the point. Its a business. like any other. to spend just to spend is foolish. If it makes you a more viable business and helps you compete they yes. The NFl isn’t only about wins and losses. Well it is to the fans. but many enjoy the business side of the league as well and enjoy looking at a team’s profit/loss statement at the end of their fiscal year as much as they like to look at the standings. Spending foolishly like Washington does with no appreciable change in the quality of the product they provide makes no sense.
packers4life,
majik is a surface thinker. incapable of deeper criticaal thinking. IE The coordinator of the worst offense comment. McCarthy was there one year. majik doesnt bother to think of all of the possible reasons their offense wasnt productive that one single year. Low IQ individual majik is.
“I’m going to laugh my ass off when this team falls on it’s face this coming year”
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This is getting boring. Same things sais same time of year. ok here goes….I am going to laugh my ass off when the vikes Favre their season away agian next year.
Hydra
There’s a term for guys who care more about what happens on spreadsheets than on the field. It’s called “dude who has to pay for sex.”
Seriously, looking at the big picture and profitability is great. But it all comes down to winning, and success on the field. Bottom line, the best way to make profit is to win.
Hydra
Keep talking trash pansy. Why don’t you tell everyone how you threatened to break my face, then backed down like a scared child when confronted about it.
As for critical thinking involving McCarthy’s horrible offense, there isn’t much needed. They were one of the worst offenses ever. He leaves, and their output jumped 80 yards per game.
And I’ve seen some of your critical thinking. I’m not going to list them off again, it’s too time consuming. But I think most on here have seen your critical thinking in action enough to know what I’m talking about.
TheHydraPart6-Yes I do corn roles. Better than you and your corn holes.
Emoney says:
February 9, 2010 11:36 AM
Why do you guys keep commenting on other guys hair? You sound like a bunch of queers.
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Because long hair on a man is for queers.Pack leads the way.
SpartaChris says:
February 9, 2010 11:53 AM
@Pervy- I think Peterson just fumbled again.
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Are you getting excited about competing with da Bears for 2nd place in the North??
Good point Majik but In green bay’s case they can’t generate a whole lot more income then they already do. They raised ticket prices this year. In my opinion not nearly enough. To rank 30th in ticket prices with a 80,000 person waiting list is simply selling your product short. This will happen gradually anyway but I say double the face value of every ticket to all ten games. thats roughly 55 million PER YEAR in additional revenue and you know every ticket to every game would still be sold. Some will say that they have the fans in mind when setting ticket prices. If that is true then the fans don’t exactly have the team in mind!! most season ticket holders cherry pick a couple of games to go per year then sell the rest for their true supply and demand dictated value on the street via ebay or other internet sites. So who is getting fisted?? the organization is getting fisted. I say double the prices. make this organization have the resources avaialable to make some mistakes in free agency. You people want them to spend all of their available cap money??? This is really the only way how. Double the prices. Its a disservice to the organization for a Packer ticket to be sold to season ticket holders at the price they are getting them. Don’t think the packers would do it? they already got you once with the “stock shares” they sold. that worthless piece of toilet paper that people have framed on their den walls was one of the most brilliant fundraising/marketing campaigns ever. Essentially have 300 million dollars mailed to us and give out nothing in return. Loved it! Double the prices and lets get this team’s revenue stream rolling because right now the only ones benefitting from low ticket prices are the season ticket holders.
Im done with you Majik. You are literally too stupid to insult.
And as far as McCarthy goes, weren’t you the one on here, when GB was 4-4, saying the failure was on McCarthy. It was you who was putting him on the hot seat just a couple months ago. Now you’re defending his honor, even after coaching his team to a wild card loss in which they gave up 51 points.
“Why don’t you tell everyone how you threatened to break my face”
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What are you 12? i leave the long thread because I was bored with you and you bring up something that you think will embarass me on another?
Majik Bullet says:
February 9, 2010 1:35 PM
And as far as McCarthy goes, weren’t you the one on here, when GB was 4-4, saying the failure was on McCarthy. It was you who was putting him on the hot seat just a couple months ago. Now you’re defending his honor, even after coaching his team to a wild card loss in which they gave up 51 points.
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Yeah it was me. And I think his team responded with a second half of the season that saved his job.
TheHydraPart6 says:
February 9, 2010 1:01 PM
“I’m going to laugh my ass off when this team falls on it’s face this coming year”
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This is getting boring. Same things sais same time of year. ok here goes….I am going to laugh my ass off when the vikes Favre their season away agian next year.
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Getting boring? This from a guy who is predicting 3 championships—-at least, while Rodgers is there?!?!?
Why is it ok for you to make such proclamations and no one else? You are a self professed know nothing, why should we listen to what you say?
My reasoning is the huge glut of free agents, that you just scoff at and brush off. Woodson and Grant just had escalators in thier contracts kick in, did you know that?
If they hapen to sign 5 out of the 10 unsigned guys, that means the team gets younger in certqain areas.
Woodson, Harris and Driver are 1 year older, not spring chickens anymore.
I’d like to know mr. bottom line, where you think they are going to get all the cash to pay these guys? TT is notorious for being frugal, he will let most of these guys go and think he’s smart enought to draft replacements. He has a proven track record of doing just the opposite.
But, I will leave you to your delusions. Just because this team went 11-5 this year, does not preclude that they do the same or better the following year.
Just like if Favre doesn’t play, the Vikes probably don’t go 12-4.
Like it or not, this team is going to lose quality depth. He doesn’t sign many FA”S, he can’t this year if he wanted to, he has too many of his own players to pay.
You go ahead and think everything will come up roses for the pack next year, I think you are in for a rude awakening.
Tougher schedule next year by the way.
TheHydraPart6 says:
February 9, 2010 1:31 PM
Im done with you Majik. You are literally too stupid to insult.
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I would think you’d at least answer his points.
Not bob and weave at the answers.
There is already something in place to give GB the resources to spend in free agency. It’s called revenue sharing. All teams are on a level playing field. That’s why the Jags remain competitive while having 20,000 empty seats every week. There is no need to double ticket prices, which would not go over well, especially in a state with such low income levels and in the poor economy. Come on commodity trader, you should know these things.
You didn’t leave that thread because you were bored, you left because you were owned. I made you look stupid, then proved you were a spineless coward. You’re such a joke. Put down the Twinkies fat boy, and get back to work.
Chickenfoot says: February 9, 2010 2:06 PM
TheHydraPart6 says:
February 9, 2010 1:31 PM
Im done with you Majik. You are literally too stupid to insult.
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I would think you’d at least answer his points.
Not bob and weave at the answers.
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You know him better than that. He avoids confrontation, and runs away when proven wrong or made to look foolish.
And as for MM saving his job, I couldn’t be happier. Keeping him around only helps to secure the futility. I personally want to see the 3 stooges Ted, Mumbles, and Murphy go down in flame together, just like they crossed the Rubicon together.
“Why is it ok for you to make such proclamations and no one else? You are a self professed know nothing, why should we listen to what you say?
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Its not. And you shouldnt.
ITS A TOP FIVE PICK!!!! most picks in the top 10 aren’t worth the money and spot, because of the pressure that goes with it. Reggie Bush, Vernon Davis, AJ Hawk, you got other like Alex Smith Jamarcus Russel, and Chris Long. Thats why they need a rookie pay scale, keeping Hawk for one more year isn’t all that bad we do need depth at LB. He is good, he just hasn’t lived up to the top 5 pick like so very few are able to.
“My reasoning is the huge glut of free agents, that you just scoff at and brush off. Woodson and Grant just had escalators in thier contracts kick in, did you know that?”
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Of course. I am on every packer site every day when I am done at 9am with important stuff. perhaps some of you may start to understand why TT doesnt spend foolishly on overpriced rejects. Perfect example of not knowing what goes on behind closed doors. TT knows how every contarct for every player is structured and has a plan based on that info. info we never see. 2 percenters
He has no points. he regugetates the same surface 2 percent exposure he gets. Not worth arguing with someone who doesn’t even consider upper level thinking. Really???????????? “I started hating the packers when they hired the worst offensive coordinator in the league in McCarthy” you want me to argue woth someone that has that limited of intelligence??? Someone who obviously did not do his research on McCarthy and his career prior to SF??? That is just one of many. If I sat next to a guy in the tavern and he said something like that out loud I would get up and leave. You can’t have a intelligent football conversation with someone who thinks that way.
What points?? What needs clarification?? I have answered everything that I could possibly answer if I have a factual response. Anything else is hindsight or speculation or retarded predictions. Like the one I made.
Majik Bullet says:
February 9, 2010 2:13 PM
There is already something in place to give GB the resources to spend in free agency. It’s called revenue sharing. All teams are on a level playing field. That’s why the Jags remain competitive while having 20,000 empty seats every week. There is no need to double ticket prices, which would not go over well, especially in a state with such low income levels and in the poor economy. Come on commodity trader, you should know these things.
You didn’t leave that thread because you were bored, you left because you were owned. I made you look stupid, then proved you were a spineless coward. You’re such a joke. Put down the Twinkies fat boy, and get back to work.
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you do know what packer tickets go for on ebay and such correct? 30th in the league in ticket prices with a 80,000 name waiting list? Its bad business to not raise ticket prices to be more in line with Dallas’ Wouldnt go over well? With who? The season ticket holders today arent crying when they are cashing 500 dollar checks because they just sold their 124 pair of end zone nose bleeds to the highest bidder. Raise em up.!!
What are you talking about? What is a commodity? I work at Arby’s
Majik Bullet says:
February 9, 2010 12:28 PM
As for my hatred of Thompson, it started long before he traded Favre. It was drafting a QB in’05 when they already had their QB of the future. It was refusing to give a 4th round pick for the best WR in all of football. It was hiring McCarthy, the offensive coordinator of the worst offense in the NFL, when there were plenty of qualified candidates available. Moves like that, that’s why I think Ted is a dumb ass.
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So Ted shouldn’t have drafted Rodgers or hired McCarthy. OK. And yet in the two years Rodgers has played, only two teams have scored more points than the Packers. The Saints and Chargers.
And this is the best WR in all of football? 42 catches, 553 yards, 3 TDs
It’s pretty easy to sit here 3 years after the fact and say that was obviously a stupid move–not trading for Randy Moss. But 30 other teams didn’t go for him, either. And I don’t blame ANY of them. 500 yards and 3 TDs? No thanks. Not for a 4th round pick. Not for a guy with as much baggage and issues as Randy.
What assurance would Thompson have that Moss would return to Pro Bowl form? None. Absolutely nothing. That could’ve been a great team.. A quarterback who decides months after the draft whether or not he’s going to play the next season coupled with a WR who “plays when he wants to play.” Yeah, smells like greatness. Sign me up.
TheHydraPart6 says: February 9, 2010 2:32 PM
He has no points. he regugetates the same surface 2 percent exposure he gets. Not worth arguing with someone who doesn’t even consider upper level thinking. Really???????????? “I started hating the packers when they hired the worst offensive coordinator in the league in McCarthy” you want me to argue woth someone that has that limited of intelligence??? Someone who obviously did not do his research on McCarthy and his career prior to SF??? That is just one of many. If I sat next to a guy in the tavern and he said something like that out loud I would get up and leave. You can’t have a intelligent football conversation with someone who thinks that way.
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I make plenty of points, while you just make crap up. I never said I started hating the Packers because they hire MM, just Thompson. As for MM’s track record, do you have any clue what that is. Before SF, he was NO offensive coordinator. That offense was always in the middle of the pack or worse under him. He left, and the next year they had the number one offense. Just like when hee left SF, and their offense improved 80 YPG. I do research, you just spout off and act like you do research.
He was QB coach in KC, where he created such superstars as Elvis Grbac and Steve Bono. Grbac’s best season came after MM left. He also coached Rich Gannon, and it’s no coincidence Gannon never flourished until he left KC and the tutelage of McCarthy. And MM was fired after one season in GB. Now that’s a stellar track record.
So what else do you have genius? Any more upper level thinking? If I was in a bar, and someone said any of the stupid things you said, I would pop in in the mouth. But of course you would leave, you’re a coward.
Adam
While Moss did play poorly in Oakland, everyone knew what he could do. And it was worth the risk of a 4th round pick. And that stat line you put up is a lot more production than Barbre (the guy who was drafted with that pick) will ever yield.
Yes, Moss had baggage and was a risk. But like the Pats did, the Packers could have used a short leash as well. Any mistakes, and gone. It was a 4th round pick.
As for Favre, he did go on record to say that if Moss was brought in, he would give more than a one year commitment. Which is probably really why Moss was never brought in.
Super
Fine, then write Ted a letter telling him to raise prices. I know you have the address, you post it on about every thread because you still think it’s clever.
Still doesn’t change the fact that rev. sharing is in place, and Ted doesn’t need to squirrel away money. He has the financial ability to sign free agents, he just chooses not to.
And I believe the points you keep dodging that Chickenfoot is referring to are on the last thread, talking about free agency. How you said it doesn’t work, I brought up the Saints, and you ran away, looking like a fool.
No you are wrong Majik. Green Bay would have had to of dropped the second year according to favre. Rich Gannon stated publicly he owed the resurgence of his career squarely on McCarthy by the way. Upper level thinking. Like the ability to learn something from someone one year, two years or even more…and for whatever reason the teacher leaves for a new job or what not. yet the teaching that teacher provided is now beginning to produce results. the physical human may not be there anymore but the teaching is always in the mind. You cant grasp that. Thats the point. You actually think SF got better without McCarthy physically being there?? McCarthy probably had alot to do with them getting 80ypg better. From prior teaching of the system.
Majik Bullet says:
February 9, 2010 3:15 PM
Adam
While Moss did play poorly in Oakland, everyone knew what he could do. And it was worth the risk of a 4th round pick. And that stat line you put up is a lot more production than Barbre (the guy who was drafted with that pick) will ever yield.
Yes, Moss had baggage and was a risk. But like the Pats did, the Packers could have used a short leash as well. Any mistakes, and gone. It was a 4th round pick.
As for Favre, he did go on record to say that if Moss was brought in, he would give more than a one year commitment. Which is probably really why Moss was never brought in.
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It doesn’t matter if “everyone knew what he could do”. The only thing that matters is what he WILL do. Or at least, what he’s LIKELY to do. And three years ago I would’ve bet his career was pretty much over.
Anyway, you still don’t address my point. If everyone knew what a talent Moss still was, why did the Pats get him so cheap? Surely there would be another team willing to spend more for him.
Can’t argue on Barbre, but go ahead and do a league-wide look at 4th round picks from that draft. It’s three years later. How many are still in the league? How many are contributing? I’ll make it easy for you. Here they are, the entire 2007 round 4 draft class. I know there’s a few starters there.. There’s even a couple of Pro Bowlers. But how many of these 38 men are really doing anything in the NFL?
Michael Bush
Adam Podlesh
Brian Robison
Isaiah Stanback
Jay Moore
A. J. Davis
Tanard Jackson
Antonio Pittman
Paul Soliai
Stephen Nicholas
John Bowie
Dwayne Wright
Daniel Sepulveda
Brian Smith
Marvin White
Leroy Harris
Zak DeOssie
Manuel Ramírez
Ryne Robinson
Allen Barbre
Baraka Atkins
Marcus Thomas
Doug Free
Fred Bennett
Mansfield Wrotto
Jermon Bushrod
Dashon Goldson
Kareem Brown
Chris Davis
Scott Chandler
Josh Beekman
Brannon Condren
Ryan McBean
Martrez Milner
Antwan Barnes
Joe Cohen
Clint Session
Le’Ron McClain
Go ahead and bash Thompson, but to rail on one 4th round pick because Thompson didn’t take a chance on a guy with known issues who had demonstrated a clear problem with authority and personally submarined his own production for two years? That’s not something I’d throw back in Thompson’s face. 9 times out of 10 that guy is not going to live up to expectations. 9 times out of 10 that’s a wasted draft pick. It just so happens Belichick got the best out of Randy.
McCarthy certainly didn’t give those guys diction or elocution lessons. He also didn’t teach them to talk with out moving their lips.
I love stirring the pot.
SUper, don’t be mad at me, I’m bored and trying to get in your craw.
I’ll let Majik school you on his own, doesn’t look like he needs any help.
By the way Super, what do you think of Barry Alvarez? LMAO!
Super
Fine, then write Ted a letter telling him to raise prices. I know you have the address, you post it on about every thread because you still think it’s clever
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not surprising that you didnt know that the ticketing and the setting of prices is not part of a GM’s job description. That would be Murphy. And he’s doing it. Not at the shocking double em up now pace that i implied but they will get there . One year at a time.
When Super, when did Gannon say that? Prove it. All you do is speculate, like saying the 49ers learned from McCarthy. You just make crap up to try to justify your opinions, then call it “upper level thinking.” Most people with common sense just call it bullshit.
If MM was such a great coach there, why did it take 2 years to sink in? Why no immediate effect? Or maybe, just maybe, that, just like in New Orleans, as soon as MM left and they brought in someone else, the offense starts to flourish under a new scheme suited to the players on hand.
Id rather hold onto as much of the revenue sharing dollars as possible and not blow it on over-priced free agents. Been my point the whole ever loving time. More money in reserves, more profit, reject with bad habits that is overpaid, less money in reserves. not sound long term thinking. Im not totally against free agency. Either is ted. but the fantasy football way the average fan looks at it is silly.
Pissed on his statue the last time I was at camp randall.
Adam, you just proved my point. A 4th round draft pick is a shot in the dark, kind of like trading for Moss at that time. But at least with Moss, you had already seen what he could do.
As for the lack of interest in Moss, like you said, he brought baggage. And few QB’s would have been able to work with him, he easily could have been a distraction. But a team with Brady, or Favre at QB, had the best shot of getting max production out of him.
But at the time, with the Packers poised for Super Bowl contention, Moss would have been the higher rewarding gamble versus a 4th round pick. The time was right to take a risk.
Good to see that Chickenfoot has recovered from the usual Hindenberg-like end of the Vikings’season and is able to hate on the Pack again. But of course when failure is all your team has known for its entire existance, I suppose bouncing back gets to be second nature.
Majik Bullet, you have to know you are clutching at straws with the Moss thing. How many Lombardi trophies did he help the Pats win? End of discussion. Thompson is a long way from being infallible, but I’d say he has the Packers in better shape right now than about 85% of the other teams in the league. That ain’t bad.
Hey, chickenfoot. Loved this comment a couple weeks ago, by the way.
Jeff:
Don’t you have the feeling this game is going to come down to some type of classic typical viking mishap?
TheHydraPart6 says:
February 9, 2010 4:04 PM
Pissed on his statue the last time I was at camp randall.
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Too freaking funny.
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TheBaySay says:
February 9, 2010 4:09 PM
Good to see that Chickenfoot has recovered from the usual Hindenberg-like end of the Vikings’season and is able to hate on the Pack again. But of course when failure is all your team has known for its entire existance, I suppose bouncing back gets to be second nature.
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Been here the whole time turd.
I’m under jeffragnarchicken too.
You know, you can’t win with you assholes, if I dry up and blow away, that’s typical Viking douchery.
If I’m still being a fan and I’m still here, it’s still bad?
Jagoff.
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Adam-Chris Scheftersen says:
February 9, 2010 4:12 PM
Hey, chickenfoot. Loved this comment a couple weeks ago, by the way.
Jeff:
Don’t you have the feeling this game is going to come down to some type of classic typical viking mishap?
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Adam, yeah, that is funny. but, i didn’t write it.
i had a cement trying to pretend to be me for awhile.
I was jeff ragnArchicken
He was jeffragnEr chicken.
It was funny after 2-3 posts but then became irritating.
Oh well, I actually thought it may have been you for awhile, but i know you are smarter than that.
I have an idea who else would pull that, but, who cares now?
When Super, when did Gannon say that?
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he said it doing a packer preseason game on TV.
But at the time, with the Packers poised for Super Bowl contention, Moss would have been the higher rewarding gamble versus a 4th round pick. The time was right to take a risk.
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Didnt he want 9 million bucks??? way too much…its more then just the pick. Its a business.
Only someone as brilliant as you Super would think Alvarez was a bad coach and Munmbles is a good one.
Super
No one on here has ever said to go Fantasy Football style in signing free agents. Whenever someone mentions Packers needing to sign one, you turn it into that gross exaggeration. It’s what you do when you feel Ted’s integrity is under attack.
“It was hiring McCarthy, the offensive coordinator of the worst offense in the NFL, when there were plenty of qualified candidates available.”
It didn’t seem to affect the Packers offense all that much since that unit has ranked in the top 10 every year since McCarthy came to Green Bay.
“Woodson, Harris and Driver are 1 year older, not spring chickens anymore.”
You can say Driver is getting a year older every year but it won’t affect him one bit. The dude keeps his body in great shape at 33 years old.
Hawk is a good player who had his best year in 09. Has he been a great linebacker? No but he is still a good player.
yeah Majik Alvarez made a career out of going 7-5 and to the Alamo bowl!! Betchya got a tshirt dont ya? 2-6 in Big ten play and they got a bowl game!! College and its bowl system is all about perception. 34 teams win a bowl game every year. they all are treated like championship games. If there was a 16 team national playoff Alvarezs teams would have qualified 4 times. Overrated!
TheHydraPart6 says: February 9, 2010 4:31 PM
When Super, when did Gannon say that?
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he said it doing a packer preseason game on TV.
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Again, I say prove it. Provide a clip, do something. I think you may be referring to Gannon saying McCarthy was responsible for his broadcasting career, because MM got him doing Packer play by play for the preseason.
The 2 of them are friends, so it makes sense he would say nice things about him. Kind of like Favre being friends with Millen, so even though it’s painfully obvious Millen’s an idiot, Favre wouldn’t say so because they’re friends.
Surface thinking Majik,
Going to the Champs dicklesion bowl every year is no longer fun.
So until next time….Go have a coke and a steamy bowl and STFU!
TheHydraPart6 says: February 9, 2010 4:33 PM
But at the time, with the Packers poised for Super Bowl contention, Moss would have been the higher rewarding gamble versus a 4th round pick. The time was right to take a risk.
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Didnt he want 9 million bucks??? way too much…its more then just the pick. Its a business.
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Don’t know where you pulled that from, but not surprised you made it up. He immediately restructured his contract when traded to the Pats, his base salary was $2.5 million, with more available through incentives.
After he proved he was still Randy Moss with his 98 catches, 1500 yards, and 21 TD’s, he then signed his $9 million a year contract. And I’d say he’s worth every penny, considering Donald Driver is set to make $7 million this year. But Driver also put up 21 TD’s, if you add up his total from the last 4 years.
But you’re right, it is a business. And Ted passing on Moss was a failed business decision.
packers4life says: February 9, 2010 4:50 PM
“Woodson, Harris and Driver are 1 year older, not spring chickens anymore.”
You can say Driver is getting a year older every year but it won’t affect him one bit. The dude keeps his body in great shape at 33 years old.
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Driver’s 35, not 33. Dude is in great shape, but he’s definitely slowing down. Too bad, he’s always been a solid player and a class act.
@chickenfoot
Hawk is not the 4th or 5th guy on the pile. That would be Poppinga. Hopefully he goes this offseason. Also wouldn;t mind seeing Clifton go. Bad knees and can’t remember the snap count anymore.
Not wanting to wade into the Majik/Hydra brouhaha on TT & MM but I’ll say that at 4-4 I was leading the bandwagon calling for both their heads. The way the season ended I’ll admit I may have been wrong and give them another year, MAYBE two, to see if they are actually on to something.
Emphasis should be on OL & a replacement for Harris.
VIKINGS FANS:
How can you possibly have ANYTHING to say about football? According to you losers(franchise included) you were a lock for the superbowl(wrong), old man river would bring you the superbowl(wrong) and your days of being losers(personal life and franchise included) were finally over(wrong again…notice a pattern?) Every NFL fan/commentator had to read your BS comments on how great the team is, how great peterson is, how great favre is, blah, blah, blah. Well guess what? A. Old man river chokes in big games and you were warned B. Chris Johnson is the new #1 in the league, peterson is all downhill from here C.YOU SOLD YOUR SOUL getting favre and it blew up in your face D. your defense is getting old E. you signed Childress to a 3 year contract extension?!?!?!?! F. whose paying for the new stadium? It really speaks to all you “life long” vikings fans and your knowledge of your team and football in general, PFT should take away your commenting privileges since you idiots cannot say anything intelligent nor correct
LA VIKINGS 2011
rulz
I understand wanting to give it another year, but I just don’t think it’s going to be good. The pass defense is obviously a liability, something needs to be done. The O line is just sad, and even if Clifton forgets the count, he’s still their best lineman.
If they can keep Rodgers upright, they’ll score some points, but that D needs to improve, they just can’t run with good offenses.
Super
So you hate Alvarez for taking over a consistently terrible team, and turning them into a consistent winner, with 3 Conference Titles and 3 Rose Bowl wins, but you love Thompson for taking over a consistent division winner and turning them into a team who is consistently in 2nd or 3rd place in its division of 4 teams. Makes sense.
Alvarez had amazing success early, and you were spoiled by it. The Badgers stop winning Rose Bowls every year, and suddenly Alvarez sucks. Apparently you don’t remember the Pre-Alvarez years. 5 wins was considered incredibly successful then. Alvarez had six 9 win seasons. In the 100 years before him, the Badgers had 4.
Here’s a list of his accolades, given to him by people in the know:
named national coach of the year in 1993
Big Ten Coach of the Year in 1993 and 1998 Victor Award’s 1999 National Coach of the Year 2004 AFCA Region 3 Coach of the Year.
You really are an idiot. Couple that with being an overweight, spineless coward, and I can see why you are the way you are. Just go away man.
TheHydraPart6 says:
February 9, 2010 4:31 PM
When Super, when did Gannon say that?
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He also said it on Sirius NFL Radio
Majik Bullet says:
February 9, 2010 4:07 PM
Adam, you just proved my point. A 4th round draft pick is a shot in the dark, kind of like trading for Moss at that time. But at least with Moss, you had already seen what he could do.
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OK, so you’re blaming Thompson for drafting an apparent dud in Barbre, then you flip-flop and say 4th round picks are a shot in the dark. And you say we already know what Moss can do while acknowledging that he hadn’t done ANYTHING for two years, either because he couldn’t or because he wouldn’t. Again, I’m not blaming Thompson for not taking him.
Three years ago Moss was a headcase who had either sandbagged for two seasons or whose skill had fallen off a cliff. And with a team poised to make a playoff run, distractions are what I DON’T want.
If you still think it’s best to add high profile players to make playoff runs, ask the Eagles (Owens), Cowboys (Owens), Jets (Favre) and Bills (Owens).
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Majik Bullet says:
As for the lack of interest in Moss, like you said, he brought baggage. And few QB’s would have been able to work with him, he easily could have been a distraction. But a team with Brady, or Favre at QB, had the best shot of getting max production out of him.
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This is pure speculation. Moss and Favre have never played together (obviously) and to me it’s ludicrous to suggest what type of impact Favre would’ve had on Moss. I don’t believe for a second it’s Brady’s influence that had Moss behaving. I think it’s two things:
- His own recognition that New England would be his last NFL stop if he continued on the path he was on.
- Belichick.
Either way, Thompson couldn’t bank on Moss returning to his pre-Raiders form. Hell, he couldn’t even bank on Favre returning year-by-year. For argument’s sake, let’s say Ted does sign Moss, then Favre decides to retire. Now what? Moss turns into an overpaid locker room cancer and gives you one more reason to despise Ted Thompson–for horribly mis-evaluating Moss?
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Majik Bullet says:
But at the time, with the Packers poised for Super Bowl contention, Moss would have been the higher rewarding gamble versus a 4th round pick. The time was right to take a risk.
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One more bit. I love how you rail on Ted for coming into 2009 with a crappy O-line, then turn around and say he shouldn’t have drafted an O-lineman in the 4th round 3 years ago. As of right now, it looks like he swung and missed on Barbre. But what horrible shape would that O-line be in if you were running the show?
It’s just too damn easy to call an NFL GM an idiot 3 years later.. When you know Moss has turned his career around. And when you know Barbre has been ineffectual. Maybe you knew all along that Moss would put up staggering numbers in 2007 wherever he landed. Maybe you knew as soon as the Packers selected Barbre that he’d be a dud.
Or maybe you’re justifying your hatred with knowledge of future events. You probably have some idea which way I’m leaning. Not that it matters.
Bottom line: based on what was known at the time, I don’t blame Thompson one bit for not trading for Moss.
Majik Bullet says:
February 9, 2010 8:27 PM
Here’s a list of his accolades, given to him by people in the know:
named national coach of the year in 1993
Big Ten Coach of the Year in 1993 and 1998 Victor Award’s 1999 National Coach of the Year 2004 AFCA Region 3 Coach of the Year.
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So Alvarez deserved Coach of the Year awards, but Thompson didn’t deserve Executive of the year?
It’s this type of convenient flip-flopping that characterizes you as someone who can’t look objectively at the Packers or Ted Thompson.
And no, I’m not on board with Super on Alvarez. He led the Badgers out of obscurity like Wolf did for the Packers.
Chickenfoot says:
February 9, 2010 4:31 PM
Adam, yeah, that is funny. but, i didn’t write it.
i had a cement trying to pretend to be me for awhile.
I was jeff ragnArchicken
He was jeffragnEr chicken.
It was funny after 2-3 posts but then became irritating.
Oh well, I actually thought it may have been you for awhile, but i know you are smarter than that.
I have an idea who else would pull that, but, who cares now?
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OK, I assumed it was you. What I neglected to mention was that it came from the Vikings/Saints live chat.. You can type in whatever name you want on those. I shouldn’t have assumed it was you. But that’s actually what makes it fun.
I posted this comment during the Super Bowl when Stover missed that FG:
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Rosie O’Donnell: Wow, that was ugly.
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I enjoy the live chats. Your comments can actually be posted real time. It’s almost like a real message board.
And for the record, I’m stupid enough to establish a fan-boy account like that. Just not lame or bored enough.
Adam
On the Alvarez thing, just using Super’s own arguments against him. I don’t take much stock in awards that are voted on, results on the field are a more accurate measure. But Super keeps throwing that Exec. of the year award around like it’s a Lombardi trophy.
Not trying to flip flop, just appreciated the irony here.
Adam
I’m not trying to rail on Ted for drafting Barbre. I understand that any pick after Round 3 is just an added bonus if they pan out, and can never be considered a bust. What I was trying to get at was that he had better odds swapping that pick for Moss than a shot in the dark in the draft.
And I never once said Thompson shouldn’t have drafted a lineman. In fact, I think he should do it more often, and way before the 4th round. I have no problem with him taking a shot on Barbre in the 4th, I just have a problem with not trading that pick for Moss. I called Ted an idiot for not pulling the trigger on Moss then, and I’m still saying it now.
And I know it’s speculation to say Favre could “tame” Moss, but he has as good a chance as any. They share a good relationship, as well as an agent. They have a mutual respect for each other. And the Packer management could have put him on the same short leash that Belichick did. And Favre went on record to say he would give more than a one year commitment if they acquired Moss. This is why I believe Thompson backed off the Moss push, so he could continue to gently nudge Favre out the door.
As for what shape the O line would be in under my watch, I can’t say. I have a degree in agronomy, not business admin., and my football management is limited to coaching a junior league at the Y. But I can tell you I would start looking for guys before round 4. Like maybe drafting an O lineman instead of Jordy Nelson in round 2. Or maybe a guy like Joe Staley instead of Justin Harrel. I know it’s hindsight, but these would have made sense at the time like they do now.
Adam
I’m not trying to rail on Ted for drafting Barbre. I understand that any pick after Round 3 is just an added bonus if they pan out, and can never be considered a bust. What I was trying to get at was that he had better odds swapping that pick for Moss than a shot in the dark in the draft.
And I never once said Thompson shouldn’t have drafted a lineman. In fact, I think he should do it more often, and way before the 4th round. I have no problem with him taking a shot on Barbre in the 4th, I just have a problem with not trading that pick for Moss. I called Ted an idiot for not pulling the trigger on Moss then, and I’m still saying it now.
And I know it’s speculation to say Favre could “tame” Moss, but he has as good a chance as any. They share a good relationship, as well as an agent. They have a mutual respect for each other. And the Packer management could have put him on the same short leash that Belichick did. And Favre went on record to say he would give more than a one year commitment if they acquired Moss. This is why I believe Thompson backed off the Moss push, so he could continue to gently nudge Favre out the door.
As for what shape the O line would be in under my watch, I can’t say. I have a degree in agronomy, not business admin., and my football management is limited to coaching a junior league at the Y. But I can tell you I would start looking for guys before round 4. Like maybe drafting an O lineman instead of Jordy Nelson in round 2. Or maybe a guy like Joe Staley instead of Justin Harrel. I know it’s hindsight, but these would have made sense at the time like they do now.
Majik,
Yes Thompson did not get Moss but it wasn’t like hurt the Packers in any way. They still managed to go 13-3 without him and not getting him also developed Greg Jennings and helped him turn into young star.
I wouldn’t of minded Moss but I am completly happy with the receivers we have now.
“And I know it’s speculation to say Favre could “tame” Moss, but he has as good a chance as any. They share a good relationship, as well as an agent. They have a mutual respect for each other. And the Packer management could have put him on the same short leash that Belichick did. And Favre went on record to say he would give more than a one year commitment if they acquired Moss. This is why I believe Thompson backed off the Moss push, so he could continue to gently nudge Favre out the door.”
Favre was acting selfish when he did that crap. He kept thinking the whole organization evolved around him and that he could get anything he wanted when in reality, the organization did not evolve around him and it wasn’t his job to tell who the GM who he wanted. The GM doesn’t make moves to make just one player happy. He makes the moves that he thinks is necessary for the team. Apparently Favre thought otherwise when he whined about Thompson not getting Randy Moss or Thompson not hiring Favre’s best bud Steve Mariucci.
packer4life
The word you are looking for is revolve, not evolve. Good to see your knowledge of words is on par with your knowledge of football.
How was he being selfish? He was showing support of a move which he thought would improve the team. But I guess if your definition of selfish is wanting to win (which wouldn’t surprise me based on your previous display of the mastery of the English language), then I guess every athlete in the world is selfish, because they all want to win.
Favre did nothing different in his lobbying for Moss than Tom Brady did. Tom Brady is considered a great leader for voicing his opinion and helping bring in Moss, but you call Favre a diva for attempting the same thing.
Alvarez turned The UW football program around 20 years ago. Rose Bowls? who cares about Rose Bowls anymore? See Majik you bought into the perception of the bowl system. Almost 20 years later and your AD says UW is “just not a program that can win a national championship yet” Who says that?
As a fan of college football, you have no choice but to buy into the bowl system. It’s how it is. But you keep holding out for that playoff system, which will never happen. And at the time Alvarez was winning those Rose Bowls, that’s the best he could possibly do. That’s how the bowl system used to be set up, before there was a championship game. Winning the Rose Bowl was the goal for every Big Ten team, and he did it 3 times.
As for Alvarez saying that, he’s being a realist. Even if Wisco went undefeated, there’s a very real chance they would be shut out of the Title Game, similar to Cincy, TCU, and Boise this year. They need to consistently win 9 or 10 games for about 5 years before being in the National Title hunt.
No way. ANY big ten team that would go undefeated would be in the BCS title game. Wisconsin plays an absolute joke of a non conference schedule and still…if they went 12-0…would get in. In most cases anyway. Realist? They ahve had one loss on several occasions that had they not Favre’d the game away would have played for a national title.
Majik Bullet says:
February 10, 2010 9:41 AM
As a fan of college football, you have no choice but to buy into the bowl system. It’s how it is. But you keep holding out for that playoff system, which will never happen. And at the time Alvarez was winning those Rose Bowls, that’s the best he could possibly do. That’s how the bowl system used to be set up, before there was a championship game. Winning the Rose Bowl was the goal for every Big Ten team, and he did it 3 times.
As for Alvarez saying that, he’s being a realist. Even if Wisco went undefeated, there’s a very real chance they would be shut out of the Title Game, similar to Cincy, TCU, and Boise this year. They need to consistently win 9 or 10 games for about 5 years before being in the National Title hunt.
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This is wrong on so many levels.
Wisconsin doesn’t get into the NC picture because they schedule the likes of Monmouth and the Citadel for their nonconference games.
Who is Ohio State playing in nonconference? USC and Texas. Yes, they have a couple gimme games too, but Wisconsin goes out of its way to play the liitl sisters of the poor.
His teams back then had the chance to be in the title hunt, he chose to play it safe and play weak teams.
If the Badgers wnt undefeated in the Big 10 and played the Powerhouses in the conferences, they damn well would be in the title hunt.
Ask Iowa! Until their QB went down, they were ranked top 5 or close to it and in the hunt, they didn’t need to win 9-10 games for 5 years to do it either.
Alvarez saying what he did was incredibly wrong.
You just don’t say that. Why play the games if you are not playing to win the NC?
Wisconsin/ Minnesota need to change the perception of their programs. Miami and FSU haven’t always been powerhouses. Boise and TCU for that matter, they built their programs up. Wisc/Minn should be ablr to do it also.
For you to buy into the “we aren’t a program that can win the NC” is ludicrous.
You should want an AD who says that out on his ass!
But nooooo, they build this guy a freaking statue!
Super, I’m going to say that instead of Favring the game away, they Rodgers it.
He’s carrying on the tradition in GB of what Favre did, fumbling a playoff game away.
TheHydraPart6 says: February 10, 2010 10:00 AM
No way. ANY big ten team that would go undefeated would be in the BCS title game. Wisconsin plays an absolute joke of a non conference schedule and still…if they went 12-0…would get in. In most cases anyway. Realist? They ahve had one loss on several occasions that had they not Favre’d the game away would have played for a national title.
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Twice, they have had 1 loss seasons twice in the last 20 years, and only once under Alvarez. In ’98, they got blown out by Michigan, and in 2006, were again blown out by Michigan for their only losses.
And the correct term for choking in a close game, based on percentages, would be Rodger’ed, not Favre’d. Favre has done it more, but Rodgers has done it more consistently. Don’t worry, with a few more seasons under his belt, Rodgers will be able to choke away a lot more football games, and then you’ll have someone else to turn on and complain about how awful he is after singing his praises for 15 years.
You don’t get a word invented for you by the masses for putting up 45 points in a playoff game. You get one invented for you after 19 years of playoff choke jobs and biblical collapses. The king of all that is picked. Favre. It is very similar to being “munsoned’
Chickenfoot
I never said Alvarez was a great AD, just a great coach. I agree that they play a weak schedule, this helps to illustrate my point of them missing out on the Title game even if they go undefeated. They are more in line with the Boise States rather than the Ohio States.
But yes, Alvarez saying they’re not ready is being a realist. The program is not ready for the national spotlight, and it’s a good chance Alvarez as AD is the biggest problem. Bielema is a terrible coach, but has a free pass as Alvarez’s hand picked protege. Like I said, they need to consistently win 9 or more, not just every other season. And beefing up the schedule would definitely help.
Iowa is a good example. They won 9 games the previous year, and came into the season ranked in the top 25. The Badgers came in unranked following a disappointing 2008, and didn’t crack the rankings until after going 5-0. Consistency is key in college football.
TheHydraPart6 says: February 10, 2010 10:00 AM
No way. ANY big ten team that would go undefeated would be in the BCS title game. Wisconsin plays an absolute joke of a non conference schedule and still…if they went 12-0…would get in.
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Really? What about this year? Who would an undefeated Wisconsin team have pushed out of the title game, undefeated Alabama, who had just knocked off Florida, or undefeated Texas, who plays a monster schedule every year?
I didn’t say they would always get shut out of the Title game, just that there was always a very real chance of it.
“and then you’ll have someone else to turn on and complain about how awful he is after singing his praises for 15 years.”
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always thought Favre was way overrated. Dumb picks, one yard play action TD passes. Played to the cameras. He is certainly not one of the all time greats. I put him right behind guys like Tarkenton, Hadl, and Danny White.
“Consistency is key in college football.”
TheHydraPart6 says: February 10, 2010 10:38 AM
You don’t get a word invented for you by the masses for putting up 45 points in a playoff game. You get one invented for you after 19 years of playoff choke jobs and biblical collapses. The king of all that is picked. Favre. It is very similar to being “munsoned’________________
I wasn’t aware Favre lost 19 playoff games. I do know he won a couple, and a Super Bowl too, if I recall correctly. I believe he even won his first playoff game, and didn’t hand the ball to the other team on the final play like Wonderboy did.
But let’s venture back to the regular seasons if you want to call out choke jobs. 2008, Rodgers had 4 game sealing picks. 4, in one season, 25% of the games Rodgers choked away. He also had 2 other chances to lead game winning or tying drives, and failed.
Or how about 2009. Trailing the winless Bucs, Capt. Comeback throws a pick to seal the deal. O how about his display of clock management against the Bengals. 16 seconds left, 35 yards to go to score to tie, Rodgers throws one right down the middle of the field for a big gain. Oh yeah, no timeouts, and they can’t get set to run a play.
That’s a lot of choking for just 2 seasons.
Majik Bullet says:
February 9, 2010 10:45 PM
Adam
I’m not trying to rail on Ted for drafting Barbre. I understand that any pick after Round 3 is just an added bonus if they pan out, and can never be considered a bust. What I was trying to get at was that he had better odds swapping that pick for Moss than a shot in the dark in the draft.
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We’ll have to agree to disagree on that. Most of the time when you see a decline in a player’s production like we saw in Moss, that player is done. Or at least done performing at a high level. I wouldn’t say he had any better odds of panning out than your run of the mill 4th round guy. Not when you consider all the risk and baggage that comes with.
I’ll agree to an extent, though. I think NFL GMs by far overvalue their draft picks. If I were a GM–and let’s all say a little thank you prayer that I’m not–I’d be willing to do a little more wheeling and dealing with draft picks. Proven guys, and I’m not talking about 2006 Randy Moss here, are generally worth more than some college kid who may or may not pan out. I’ve been shocked at how little veterans go for in trade, Jay Cutler excluded. Denver absolutely fleeced Chicago on that one.
But in general, I agree with you. A proven commodity for a middle round pick is a steal. But after the 2006 season I didn’t consider Randy Moss to be a proven commodity.
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Majik Bullet says:
And I know it’s speculation to say Favre could “tame” Moss, but he has as good a chance as any. They share a good relationship, as well as an agent. They have a mutual respect for each other. And the Packer management could have put him on the same short leash that Belichick did. And Favre went on record to say he would give more than a one year commitment if they acquired Moss. This is why I believe Thompson backed off the Moss push, so he could continue to gently nudge Favre out the door.
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I’ve never heard that Favre said that about Moss but even if it’s true (and I’m not questioning it), I don’t care. This is a man who has retired and unretired twice. This is a man who has twice asked to be released–WHILE RETIRED. I don’t care what he said about how many seasons he’d play if they got Moss. He could’ve said he’d play 5 more seasons. It doesn’t matter. It’s not like his word is worth anything. Whether you think he lies or just changes his mind a lot, Brett Favre cannot guarantee a damn thing when it comes to retirement.
Majik Bullet says:
February 10, 2010 10:28 AM
TheHydraPart6 says: February 10, 2010 10:00 AM
No way. ANY big ten team that would go undefeated would be in the BCS title game. Wisconsin plays an absolute joke of a non conference schedule and still…if they went 12-0…would get in. In most cases anyway. Realist? They ahve had one loss on several occasions that had they not Favre’d the game away would have played for a national title.
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This is half right. In most years, a team going undefeated through a Big 10 schedule and some patsies out of schedule would play in the BCS game. But that’s making some assumptions.. That team would have to have played the biggies in the conference. You can’t have a conference schedule with no Ohio St, no Michigan, no Iowa. And if it’s a year with a few other undefeated teams, you’ll just be out of luck.
Look at Auburn in 2004. Undefeated season running through the SEC. Beat the patsies handily (Louisiana-Monroe, The Citadel, Louisiana Tech). Beat LSU, Georgia and Tennessee twice. Left out of the title game. And that’s in the SEC.
Personally, I hate seeing teams like The Citadel, Akron and Wofford on the Badgers’schedule. I liked seeing them play Hawaii.. Hawaii was clearly overmatched, but at least they present a challenge–a wide-open offense totally unfamiliar to the Badgers. Blowing out Hawaii was impressive. Beating The Citadel? Not so much.
The problem is most coaches in the power conferences are too scared to schedule decent teams. They want to play home games and pick up all that extra revenue. And they want to go unblemished through the non-conference schedule. So it’s probably not easy to find decent teams to play. But I wish they’d at least make an attempt.
TheHydraPart6 says:
February 10, 2010 10:55 AM
Well complacency is key to Alvarez. In 2002 after breezing through the big ten to a 2-6 record Alvarez says “any year that is a bowl year is a successful year” when asked if he thought his team deserved to be in the alamo Bowl or any Bowl for that matter. They won the exhibition against a Colorado team that didnt want to be there and Alvarez was jumping around and hugging people like Valvano after NC State actually won a championship. Perception. Alvarez made a career out of it.
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As a head coach how would you have answered that question?
“No, we don’t belong here.”
Is that how you’d do it?
I’ll bet Super. I’m sure while Favre was playing, you loved him as much as every other Packer fan. Now that he left, he was over rated and a diva and blah blah.
He is an all time great, people “in the know” claim that he is. Even Ted Thompson has called him an all time great. Yes he threw a lot of picks, but he also holds every other record. And he did all of this without a great cast. Montana had Rice. Aikman had Irvin. Manning had Harrison. Favre had…. Antonio Freeman? For you to argue he isn’t one of the best is asinine.
That’s true Adam, but like you said, everything is easier to determine in hindsight. Favre had yet to retire, unretire, or ask for a release when he was lobbying for Favre. So your “not a man of his word” point is moot.
Majik Bullet says:
February 10, 2010 11:04 AM
I wasn’t aware Favre lost 19 playoff games. I do know he won a couple, and a Super Bowl too, if I recall correctly. I believe he even won his first playoff game, and didn’t hand the ball to the other team on the final play like Wonderboy did.
But let’s venture back to the regular seasons if you want to call out choke jobs. 2008, Rodgers had 4 game sealing picks. 4, in one season, 25% of the games Rodgers choked away. He also had 2 other chances to lead game winning or tying drives, and failed.
Or how about 2009. Trailing the winless Bucs, Capt. Comeback throws a pick to seal the deal. O how about his display of clock management against the Bengals. 16 seconds left, 35 yards to go to score to tie, Rodgers throws one right down the middle of the field for a big gain. Oh yeah, no timeouts, and they can’t get set to run a play.
That’s a lot of choking for just 2 seasons.
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See, here’s the Majik we’ve all grown to love. You sounded a little too tempered and reasonable all through this thread. Now your real self is coming out.
As I’ve pointed out every time you’ve brought up Rodgers’play in 2008, how well did Favre do with a crappy defense in 2005? Oh yeah, 4-12 with 29 picks.
And the Bengals game? Really? They DID get set to run a play. Jennings false started, resulting in the penalty and clock run-off. Rodgers is to blame for that? Using that logic, Favre isn’t at fault for any of those 29 picks in 2005. If his receivers would just catch every ball he threw, regardless of where and when he threw it, they would’ve gone undefeated. He did his part. Makes perfect sense, right?
in 08 rodgers led them to the lead only for the defense to favre the game up. Steeamin’bowl majik! Steamin’bowl..
TheHydraPart6 says: February 10, 2010 11:35 AM
in 08 rodgers led them to the lead only for the defense to favre the game up. Steeamin’bowl majik! Steamin’bowl..
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Did the defense throw 4 game sealing picks, and lead 2 drives that stalled before getting into reasonable scoring range? If you’re going to put losses on Favre and call him a choker, the same rule set has to apply to Rodgers.
TheHydraPart6 says:
February 10, 2010 10:51 AM
“and then you’ll have someone else to turn on and complain about how awful he is after singing his praises for 15 years.”
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always thought Favre was way overrated. Dumb picks, one yard play action TD passes. Played to the cameras. He is certainly not one of the all time greats. I put him right behind guys like Tarkenton, Hadl, and Danny White.
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I call shenanigans on this post Super. I’ve known you quite awhile. you weren’t saying this until after he signed with the Vikings.
I still wish he wouldve said after the loss to the saints that he was coming back next year.
That would have really chapped some packer fan ass.
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Adam:
I will have to remember that about live blogs from now on, sounds like it could be fun.
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Majik:
Alvarez is a fair coach. What does not ready for the spotlight mean? He’s been there 20 years as coach and AD. How long does it take?
His hand picked protoge should then be taking it to the next level, they were consistent top 20 when Barry was coach. There is a progression to it. Barry progressed only so far, got complacent and regressed.
Complacency comes in when fans are satisfied with a certain plateau, as obviously most Badger fans are.
Saying what he says about NC caliber, will cause recruits to look elsewhere, it’s all trickle down.
Until Wisconsin quits looking at themselves as a mid major school and starts acting like a Big 10 school, they will be mired in mediocrity forever
Barry’s attitude is that the Alamo bowl is good enough, why should the players and coaches think any different?
It begs the argument that you are ripping on Super for his blind faith in Ted, but are basically doing the same thing with Alvarez and Bieliema(sp?). Shouldb’t they be held accountable for settiling?
I know I’m sick of the Gophers being consistently average forever. that is why i switched to being an Oklahoma fan a long time ago.
That is the only way a message gets sent, if enough people say. FU! This isn’t good enough.
Are they too lazy to recruit or what?
It all goes back to the fans allowing it,
Why try to get any better when there is no anger from the public?
Adam
I brought those games up for Super. He claims Favre is the ultimate choker because the Packers lost some close games. So I’m applying the same rules to Rodgers.
And the Bengals game. Jennings was one of many who could have been called for false start. Only half of the team was actually set, and if you watch the play, there weren’t enough guys set on the line of scrimmage. It’s a bad decision to throw a deep ball over the middle with 16 seconds and no timeouts, unless it goes into the end zone.
As for your Alvarez take, that’s exactly right. It’s like Super thinks Alvarez should have refused the Bowl invitation, and come out and said his group of 18-22 year olds were complete failures, and should be ashamed of themselves.
Majik Bullet says:
February 10, 2010 11:29 AM
That’s true Adam, but like you said, everything is easier to determine in hindsight. Favre had yet to retire, unretire, or ask for a release when he was lobbying for Favre. So your “not a man of his word” point is moot.
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You’re right. He hadn’t retired at all yet.. But the writing was on the wall. The guy couldn’t decide what to have for lunch until 3:00 the next day. Every season was “will he or won’t he?”
And this is about Thompson’s view of Favre’s words, not what’s been reported and what’s happened since. I’d venture to guess that Thompson knows Favre better than either of us given that he… Um.. Knows Favre. So although Favre hadn’t yet hit the revolving door labelled “Retirement”, Thompson may have known full well that Favre’s guarantees were worth less than the paper they were printed on.
Majik Favre is not one of the greats of all time. He is in the group with the Tarkenton’s, Moon’s, Stabler, hadl, Plunkett’s. Simply too many interceptions. Too many games, playoff games favred away due to his decision making.
” Alvarez should have refused the Bowl invitation, and come out and said his group of 18-22 year olds were complete failures, and should be ashamed of themselves.”
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What he could have said was yes we deserve to be here. But we are what we are. We are a 6-6 team that is bowl eligible. These kids worked hard and deserve the game. However, this is not where we want to be on a yearly basis. These kids need to realize that this is not good enough. Our ultimate goal is to be national champions. Not squeezing into low level bowls and playing .250 ball in conference.
Chickenfoot
I posted earlier how I though Barry was a good coach, not a good AD. His hand picked protege is a terrible coach, and what I mean by not ready for the spotlight is that they don’t have the personnel in place to make it there. And this starts at the top. Barry should have stuck to coaching. I don’t have blind faith in Barry, unlike Super, I have the ability to see flaws in people I respect, and the ability to criticize them.
Something else to think about when bashing Barry. The AD is not only in charge of football. In Barry’s tenure as AD, Wisconsin sports have won 10 National titles and 20 Big Ten titles.
So from a football standpoint, he’s not doing a great job. But as an overall Athletic Director, he’s not doing too bad.
Yes Super, that’s what he should have said. And when the Packers went 6-10, Ted and Mike should have publicly apologized and turned in their resignation. They should have said “Sorry fans, we had a championship caliber team, and decided to get rid of the best player. We really should have finished better than 3rd in a 4 team division.”
Super, just stop. Everyone knows how you used to brag of Favre’s greatness. Even your real life friend says that’s how it is, and you only turned on him when he donned the purple. Don’t let your emotions get in the way of your objectivity. I know you’re still hurting inside over losing him, but don’t try to down play his accomplishments.
It’s just funny to me how Favre, and even Alvarez, have accomplished so much, yet you hate them. But in walks Ted Thompson, with his fancy haircut and minimal success, and you defend him to the bitter end, even though he has accomplished nothing to earn your respect, other than showcasing his ability to balance a checkbook. Do you have that much admiration for the local manager at H&R Block?
Adam
Yes, Thompson may have known that Favre would retire anyway. Or, he may have just wanted to get rid of Favre. Or maybe Ted and Super have some strange love affair that involves the imminent assassination of Barry Alvarez. We don’t know.
What we do know is that, at that time, Favre hadn’t engaged in his retirement shenanigans, and there was no reason not to take his word on the long term commitment, especially if management was making it apparent that they were doing everything possible to field a championship caliber team, i.e. trading for Randy Moss.
The Badgers are one topic that I am not totally on Majik or Hydra’s side. Alvarez deserves a lot of credit for bringing this program from the doldrums. The Rose Bowl wins were pretty much on par with 97 for a lot of Badger faithful.
As an AD, he is no great prize, and I would like to quite seeing the likes of Wofford on the non-conference schedule. That said, seems obvious Alvarez needs a way to justify keeping his protege around so they stack 3-4 easy wins on the schedule. Can you imagine a Bielema led team playing Texas or USC, even in a decent year?
Champs Sports Bowl Champs…what a bunch of shit.
Majik Bullet says:
February 10, 2010 11:45 AM
Did the defense throw 4 game sealing picks, and lead 2 drives that stalled before getting into reasonable scoring range? If you’re going to put losses on Favre and call him a choker, the same rule set has to apply to Rodgers.
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And you could apply the same logic using Favre and 2005. Except that Rodgers played generally very well in 2008. You can’t say that about Favre in 2005.
Majik says
Something else to think about when bashing Barry. The AD is not only in charge of football. In Barry’s tenure as AD, Wisconsin sports have won 10 National titles and 20 Big Ten titles.
So from a football standpoint, he’s not doing a great job. But as an overall Athletic Director, he’s not doing too bad
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Not sure on hockey, rowing, swimming, club soccer, or anything else, but I will owe Wisconsin Men’s Basketball’s success to two words. And those words are not “raw talent.”
Sorry Ruvell, but not every single athletic program in one college can be the best. And last I checked, the Men’s basketball team is ranked 11th, which is pretty good. Yes it will go down after last night, but being in the top 20 is still pretty solid.
I don’t think Barry is doing a bang up job by any means, but he’s not horrible, either. It could be a lot worse, they could have Ted Thompson running the show.
Adam
You’re missing the point here. Super was running his mouth (like usual) and calling Favre the ultimate choker, because he has failed to close the deal at the end of a few games. So all I was doing was pointing out the games that Rodgers “choked away.” Which happens to be a large amount for a guy with 33 career starts. 6 games last year, 2 this year, and then the playoff fumble/ kick. 9 of 33 games, not too good.
And I never once defended Favre’s 2005 season the way Packer fans defend Rodgers inability to close games. I realize he played poorly, and have said so. He was trying to do way too much with the team of vagabonds leftover from Hurricane Ted’s path of destruction, and he just couldn’t carry the team.
Sorry Ruvell, but not every single athletic program in one college can be the best. And last I checked, the Men’s basketball team is ranked 11th, which is pretty good. Yes it will go down after last night, but being in the top 20 is still pretty solid.
I don’t think Barry is doing a bang up job by any means, but he’s not horrible, either. It could be a lot worse, they could have Ted Thompson running the show.
Majik Bullet says:
February 10, 2010 6:10 PM
Adam
You’re missing the point here. Super was running his mouth (like usual) and calling Favre the ultimate choker, because he has failed to close the deal at the end of a few games. So all I was doing was pointing out the games that Rodgers “choked away.” Which happens to be a large amount for a guy with 33 career starts. 6 games last year, 2 this year, and then the playoff fumble/ kick. 9 of 33 games, not too good.
And I never once defended Favre’s 2005 season the way Packer fans defend Rodgers inability to close games. I realize he played poorly, and have said so. He was trying to do way too much with the team of vagabonds leftover from Hurricane Ted’s path of destruction, and he just couldn’t carry the team.
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Wow. Very good. All that was missing was an American flag flapping in the background, some overly dramatic music and a little crack in your voice.
I think a better finish would’ve included the phrase, “and Brett Favre is a damn fine American.” Or something to that effect.
Now let’s leave the drama to the art school majors and discuss facts. Favre retired. He wasn’t forced to. He did it on his own. Then he waited about 6 months and tried to force his way back in. You make it sound like Thompson had an evil plan to force Favre out, simply to let his guy play. I’m not about to claim Thompson is hands-down the best talent evaluator in the league, but I think he handled Favre’s first retirement and subsequent unretirement about as well as he could.
Majik Bullet says:
February 10, 2010 3:35 PM
What we do know is that, at that time, Favre hadn’t engaged in his retirement shenanigans, and there was no reason not to take his word on the long term commitment, especially if management was making it apparent that they were doing everything possible to field a championship caliber team, i.e. trading for Randy Moss.
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How do we know there was no reason not to take Favre’s word for it? How many times have you spoken to Favre? How much experience do you have with him? You’re speculating (again).
And once again, let’s remember Randy Moss’decline. This is not ’98 Randy Moss that was available. This was ’06 Randy Moss, a guy who had 42 catches and 3 TDs. So please cease and desist with terms like “championship caliber team” when referring to a player like ’06 Randy Moss.
Oh, and one other thing.. Moss exploded in ’07. No doubt about that. Belichick and the Pats got more out of him than anyone thought possible. But how many championships has he won with the Pats? Zero. Wait a minute.. This is a team that had won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years just a couple years before Randy’s arrival, right? Same head coach, same quarterback still there. So if Randy couldn’t bring a Super Bowl to New England, what makes you think he could’ve done it in Green Bay?
Oh, that’s right. Ted didn’t trade for him. That’s what makes you think Randy would’ve led the Packers to the promised land. Because Ted disagreed with you. The scenario that makes Ted sound clueless and makes you sound like a genius is always the correct scenario. Damn the facts, full speed ahead!
Whatever Adam, difference of opinion. Agree to disagree I guess. You agree with Ted, I don’t. Next year should go a long way in showing what kind of job Ted has done. Guess we just have to wait and see.
@badfish: You know what’s really funny? Five guys actually attempted passes in 2005 for SF. The four QBs you listed and Arnaz Battle, WR. Know who had–by far–the best QB rating among those 5 guys? The WR. Yeah, I know 2 passes is beyond insignificant, statistically speaking. But it’s still funny.
Don’t expect Majik to acknowledge the shitty QB play, though. It flies in the face of his Ted-Thompson-is-an-incompetent-idiot argument. He’ll ignore your point just like he ignored my point about the Rodgers/McCarthy combination (one guy Majik says Ted shouldn’t have drafted and one Majik says Ted shouldn’t have hired) scoring more points over the last 2 years than all but two teams in the league. Not a word on that one. It doesn’t fit his world view.
Majik Bullet says:
February 10, 2010 6:32 PM
Sorry Ruvell, but not every single athletic program in one college can be the best. And last I checked, the Men’s basketball team is ranked 11th, which is pretty good. Yes it will go down after last night, but being in the top 20 is still pretty solid.
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With all due respect, I’d give Bo Ryan a hell of a lot more credit for the consistent success of the men’s basketball team than I’d give Alvarez. Bo’s on a short list of the best college basketball coaches in the country and he was in his position long before Alvarez became AD.
majik cum load says:
Yes Super, that’s what he should have said. And when the Packers went 6-10, Ted and Mike should have publicly apologized and turned in their resignation. They should have said “Sorry fans, we had a championship caliber team, and decided to get rid of the best player. We really should have finished better than 3rd in a 4 team division.”
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one hiccup vs. 20 years of crap bowl games is apples vs. oranges.
” I know you’re still hurting inside over losing him”
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I have been a big picture thinker for 4 years. I welcomed 4′s retirement and never wanted him back. Ask Chickenfoot.
“And I never once defended Favre’s 2005 season the way Packer fans defend Rodgers inability to close games. I realize he played poorly, and have said so. He was trying to do way too much with the team of vagabonds leftover from Hurricane Ted’s path of destruction, and he just couldn’t carry the team”
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This idiodic paragragh is your dumb ass defending The King of All picks. You have no ability to see beyond your nose. No ability to see why things go wrong, why things go right. Football Idiot is nothing to be ashamed of. there are many worse things to be bad at. NFL football just isn’t your gig. i am sure you are a great person with a great life. but you are a football idiot.
And Adam, Brett Favre is a damn fine American.
And how’s this for dramatic music?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8HAzI63X8Q&feature=related
I may defend “the king of all picks”, but you defend Thompson and Rodgers, 2 guys who have accomplished nothing. Favre has all the records and a ring.
You act like you know everything there is to know about football, when it’s clear you have no clue. You blame Favre for every loss the Packers ever had when he was under center, but if it’s Thompson and Rodgers losing, it becomes a “team game” and a team loss. And everybody’s fault but Ted’s and Aaron’s. You look at a spreadsheet, and declare Thompson a champion, then look at 45 points in the game log and say Rodgers wasn’t to blame.
I’m going to let you in on something. Football is played on the field. Yes, there is a business aspect to it. But the bottom line is a football team’s main goal, especially a publicly owned one, is to win football games. This is something Thompson hasn’t done, Rodgers hasn’t done, but Favre has.
And while being a football idiot may be nothing to be ashamed of, being a condescending, lying coward is. But what’s truly sad is that you’re not intelligent enough to be embarrassed at how pathetic you really are. Now, continue to hide behind your keyboard, fatboy, and talk your spineless trash from the safety of your twinkie wrapper covered desk. But if you ever decide to act like a man, and back up your trash, you have my email. I won’t hold my breath. Once a coward, always a coward.
Adam, it may be speculating to say there was no reason to not believe Favre. But what exactly would you call it when you say there could have been reason to not believe him? That’s right, speculation.
And I’ll give you that GB, Rodgers, MM, they put up some points. And all those points translate to a 17-15 record, so how much good are they doing? What about that fact? 17-15. Rodgers can throw for 7000 yards and 82 TD’s, but if he fumbles away the playoff game, it really doesn’t matter in the end, does it?
As for the 49ers and their QB issues, so what. You work with who you have. It’s the offensive coordinator’s job to design a scheme to work with the resources available. Look at the Pats when Brady went down. They were well coached, and the offense still ranked 5th in the league with Matt Cassel. And we all saw how bad Cassel really is this year in KC. It was all about the offensive scheme.
And as for the 49er’s having 4 QB’s (it was 3 by the way, look it up) throw passes that year, big deal. The next year, they had Alex Smith under center all year. How is that an improvement?
“You act like you know everything there is to know about football, when it’s clear you have no clue.”
After reading some of your commentary, the above referenced statement by you, Majik, is the equivalent of the pot calling the kettle black.
Thompson’s record as a GM/Vice President of Football Operations is 84-60 (that’s a .583 winning percentage). 84% of the players he was responsible for drafting are still in the league today. Not too shabby.
As far as the Randy Moss deal goes, you’ve ignored the most important of the entire equation: Moss wanted to be a Patroit, not a Packer. Why would you trade for a guy who has a history of playing when he feels like it, was coming off of two really lousy seasons AND didn’t want to come to your team?
As far as the Rodgers/Favre comparisons go: Both are extremely talented. Their records as a starter (during equal time frames) are almost identical (Favre’s is two games better including the playoffs), but Rodgers’completion percentage, passing yards, TDs, TD-INT ratio, rushing yards, and QB rating were much better during this same period AND he turned the ball over much less than did the first-ballot-hall-of-famer-to-be. I wouldn’t consider a guy, who left his team with a lead (with 2:00 or less in the game) only to have the defense yield a game losing scoring drive in seven of the ten games lost during the 2008 season, a choker. That title is reserved for the guy who has a lengthy track record of turning the ball over in big, big games.
Thompson’s record in 10 years is not 84-60, that isn’t even enough games to span 10 years, it’s 9. Try to keep up. He is actually 83-77. Don’t know where you pulled your numbers from, sounds made up. I actually fact checked.
And the 7 of 10 games crap, come one. Rodgers threw 4 picks to lose games. He also had 2 drives stall. Can’t blame the D, especially if you are going to blame Favre for every loss.
Thompson’s record in 10 years is not 84-60, that isn’t even enough games to span 10 years, it’s 9. Try to keep up. He is actually 83-77. Don’t know where you pulled your numbers from, sounds made up. I actually fact checked.
And the 7 of 10 games crap, come one. Rodgers threw 4 picks to lose games. He also had 2 drives stall. Can’t blame the D, especially if you are going to blame Favre for every loss.
And I will leave you with that, my amazing ability to use facts and make Packer fans look like idiots. Not hard to do. I’ll be spending some time on another vacation, have fun working suckers.
You act like you know everything there is to know about football, when it’s clear you have no clue. You blame Favre for every loss the Packers ever had when he was under center, but if it’s Thompson and Rodgers losing, it becomes a “team game” and a team loss. And everybody’s fault but Ted’s and Aaron’s. You look at a spreadsheet, and declare Thompson a champion, then look at 45 points in the game log and say Rodgers wasn’t to blame.
This is something Thompson hasn’t done, Rodgers hasn’t done, but Favre has.
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First two years as a starter favre won 18 games Rodgers 17. You cannot compare the two. Favre is all but finished and AROD is just getting started. Comparing their first two years as starters AROD blows Favre away. You cannot deny that.
And while being a football idiot may be nothing to be ashamed of, being a condescending, lying coward is. But what’s truly sad is that you’re not intelligent enough to be embarrassed at how pathetic you really are. Now, continue to hide behind your keyboard, fatboy, and talk your spineless trash from the safety of your twinkie wrapper covered desk. But if you ever decide to act like a man, and back up your trash, you have my email. I won’t hold my breath. Once a coward, always a coward.
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The truth is I am a pussy and I live at home and work at Arby’s. Would you expect anything more from my fat ass?
Majik Bullet says:
February 10, 2010 9:52 PM
Whatever Adam, difference of opinion. Agree to disagree I guess. You agree with Ted, I don’t. Next year should go a long way in showing what kind of job Ted has done. Guess we just have to wait and see.
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Most logical I before E non-hate spewing post I have seen you make. Would be nice if you let go of the hate and debated like this all the time.
” I’ll be spending some time on another vacation, have fun working suckers.”
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The phrase above is always in the arsenal of the unhappy/insecure individual. Somewhat sad having to try to look “cool” on a internet site. The word “another” is implying eliteness. Always in the bag of a very angry/unhappy and insecure human.
King of Agronomy- I wasn’t even digging at you about Alvarez’s job as an AD. I was giving the nod to Bo as the reason why Badger ball is as good as it is. You need that vacation. It must be very difficult to listen to SO many lesser intelligent people not realizing that Favre is the greatest quarterback, teammate, and American of the last two decades.
Where’s Fan_of_Four? Maybe he can help you out.
Majik, I’ll stand corrected on the total for Thompson’s overall record as a GM/VP of Football Ops. I fact checked, too. Just tallied wrong. If that makes me an idot – fine. At least I’m man enough to admit a mistake. The other numbers, however, are spot on (also fact checked) and make many of your arguments look, well, foolish. Particularly the 7 of 10 games one. The fact is, in 7 of those 10 games, Rodgers left his defense with a lead and 2:00 or less on the clock to hold it – and they didn’t.
For the record, I have never, ever pinned all GB, NYJ or Minny losses on Favre – and challenge you to prove otherwise. There were plenty of games, through the years, he came to play but the rest of the team didn’t. The fact is, however, as great as he is (and he IS a great QB) he has consistently choked in really big games over the course of his 18 seasons as a starter. This is part of the package deal a team gets when Favre is on it.
“But let’s venture back to the regular seasons if you want to call out choke jobs. 2008, Rodgers had 4 game sealing picks. 4, in one season, 25% of the games Rodgers choked away. He also had 2 other chances to lead game winning or tying drives, and failed.
Or how about 2009. Trailing the winless Bucs, Capt. Comeback throws a pick to seal the deal. O how about his display of clock management against the Bengals. 16 seconds left, 35 yards to go to score to tie, Rodgers throws one right down the middle of the field for a big gain. Oh yeah, no timeouts, and they can’t get set to run a play.”
Yeah like all of those are his fault. Against Tampa Bay, the Packers had a freakin’13 point lead and what happens? The defense gets shredded and allows them to take the lead. The same is said for the other games. The Packers were either tied or had the lead over their opponent only to have the defense give it right back to them. Rodgers still should of done a better job leading them back from behind but it wasn’t his fault for losing the lead after getting it back.
And last time I checked Rodgers threw a game winning touchdown against Chicago in Week 1 this season. Of course though you will try to give someone else credit instead of Rodgers because you are to ignorant to do otherwise.
# Majik Bullet says: February 10, 2010 11:49 PM
As for the 49ers and their QB issues, so what. You work with who you have. It’s the offensive coordinator’s job to design a scheme to work with the resources available. Look at the Pats when Brady went down. They were well coached, and the offense still ranked 5th in the league with Matt Cassel. And we all saw how bad Cassel really is this year in KC. It was all about the offensive scheme.
And as for the 49er’s having 4 QB’s (it was 3 by the way, look it up) throw passes that year, big deal. The next year, they had Alex Smith under center all year. How is that an improvement?
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No it is four. Look it up. Did you miss the post where I listed them off?
As far as the rest of that point. Find me one team in recent history who has made the playoffs or even had a winning season starting four different guys at QB throughout the year.
I’ll wait.
why in the hell is this story so popular?
hey percy.
Your a shart stain! You low life.
TT ROCKS!!! Don’t you remember our GM before him the GREAT Mike Sherman, who had drafted one off season that no was in the league two years after he picked them. Witht he likes of Ahmed Carroll and then traded up for a punter that probably had a better chance of playing QB, the fact is GB has quite a bit of talent while ALL GMs do miss picks TT does one of the better jobs in the league, when it comes to evaluating talent, and drafting for whatever scheme they play on offense or defense.
packers4life says:
February 11, 2010 12:23 PM
Yeah like all of those are his fault. Against Tampa Bay, the Packers had a freakin’13 point lead and what happens? The defense gets shredded and allows them to take the lead.
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I hate to be on the same side as Majik… It makes me feel stupid.
But you cannot blame the Tampa game on the defense. Tampa scored 38 points, including 5 TDs. 2 TDs were scored on returns–the defense wasn’t even on the field. Two TDs were scored on very short fields.. One 8 yard drive and I think one 19 yard drive. It’s hard to blame the defense when you give them less than 20 yards to protect. One TD was scored on a long, sustained drive.
Offense and special teams were to blame for that loss. Rodgers had 3 INTs. He’s to blame for that loss as much as anyone.