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Limbaugh revisits McNabb "overrated" controversy

It’s been more than six years since Rush Limbaugh, in his capacity as a commentator for ESPN, referred to Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb as “overrated” because “the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well.”

But those comments still crop up from time to time in the NFL.

During the 2009 season, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell was grilled about Limbaugh while testifying before Congress. And on his show Friday, Limbaugh himself brought up his comments from the 2003 season in pointing out that ESPN’s Erik Kuselias had also referred to McNabb as “overrated.”

Kuselias was guest hosting ESPN Radio’s Mike and Mike in the Morning on Friday when he said of McNabb, “He’s had a public fight with Rush Limbaugh, I don’t mean the two of them, it was a polarizing issue. He’s a had a public fight with T.O. He’s been sort of underrated in his own city and maybe overrated nationally at the same time, it’s been crazy!”

Limbaugh broadcast those comments on his own show and then added, “What was that? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa hold it a minute. Is he still working there?  Erik Kuselias has just said Donovan McNabb has been overrated nationally.  Erik Kuselias just said that McNabb’s been overrated nationally.  Erik, if they zap you outta there, call me.  I got some ideas.”

Jon Bois of SBNation.com flagged the comments from Friday’s show and pointed out that what Kuselias said isn’t the same thing as what Limbaugh said in 2003.  But it’s clear that more than six years after Limbaugh resigned from ESPN, those comments about McNabb won’t soon be forgotten.

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  1. Hauschild says: Feb 14, 2010 3:09 PM

    Never you mind the fact both Limbaugh and Kuselias were correct on their observations – not the people really care for the truth nowadays.

  2. swervinmervin says: Feb 14, 2010 3:14 PM

    Eric Kuselias WAS just recently suspended by ESPN! It was for cheating on his wife with another ESPN staffer. Apparently it got pretty ugly at work and the network had no choice.
    That network is a disaster.

  3. Tom says: Feb 14, 2010 3:18 PM

    I am sick and tired of the thin skin people that use the racial thing every five seconds.

  4. Bee_Arthur says: Feb 14, 2010 3:18 PM

    RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE !!!

  5. Zaggs says: Feb 14, 2010 3:21 PM

    Actually the only difference between the two comments is why McNabb is over-rated. Thats where you have the lying including the lies by Goodell (I wonder if he was under oath). Limbaugh never said McNabb sucked because he was black. he criticized the media for over-rating McNabb and the media treating McNabb differently because he’s black.
    So it begs the question if McNabb is over-rated, and he ain’t one of the best in the league, why is he over-rated? Is it because the Eagles are America’s team? Nope. Is it because everyone thinks Philadelphia is the city all cities should aspire to be? Nope. Is it because McNabb’s accomplishments outstrip most other QB’s? Not really (In a career twice as long he has the same number of NFC championships as Eli Manning and 1 less Superbowl win).
    But people like Goodell can’t bear to have McNabb questioned even though his biggest accomplishment is blowing chunkies in the superbowl.

  6. The Notorious V.I.C. says: Feb 14, 2010 3:22 PM

    What Limbaugh said about McNabb wasn’t racist.
    PERIOD.
    It was racial in nature, but not racist.
    People are such idiots that when the word “black” is mentioned everyone instantly goes into “You are a racist” mode. Ironically, these dopes are more prejudiced than the people they accuse of racism.

  7. Somnambulus says: Feb 14, 2010 3:23 PM

    There is a vast difference. Kuselias did not base his argument on McNabb’s complexion–Limbaugh did. Kuselias looked at McNabb as a football player, while Limbaugh was only able to see him as a black man. Were this not the case, then he never would have brought race into his assessment.

  8. Mooch says: Feb 14, 2010 3:23 PM

    Victim. Professional victim.
    Actually, he has more in common with McNabb than he’ll ever know in that regard.

  9. elways_jock says: Feb 14, 2010 3:27 PM

    fat – lathargic – non athletic – never worked a ‘real’ job in his life – 3 failed marriages – ya you could say he has a right to judge nfl talent .. rush couldnt even be a towel boy for one game in the nfl without needing oxygen .. when we want your lip rush we will unzip our trousers for ya .. and have fun with the black president thing .. that must really get your goat — ah ha you tool ..

  10. Raydahz says: Feb 14, 2010 3:31 PM

    I wonder how many PFT readers who like Limbaugh actually agree with Limbaugh that there isn’t a difference between what Limbaugh said and what Kuselias said.

  11. NFLed says: Feb 14, 2010 3:34 PM

    How ridiculous.
    A) “McNabb is overrated because the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well”
    or
    B) “McNabb is overrated.”
    These are two very different statements! Saying that a particular player is overrated is not controversial in any cultural way. Personally, I think Elway was overrated until Dan Reeves became the coach and suddenly Elway’s play (and stats) skyrocketted — does that make me biased against QBs with funny-looking mouths?

  12. JSpicoli says: Feb 14, 2010 3:35 PM

    I think McNabb is way above average as a QB, but that the syndrome that Limbaugh describes DOES exist in the media, it is just unpopular in a world of reverse descrimination, and Al Sharptons.
    Look, we have a charlatan of a President now who was elected because it makes you automatically non-racist to support the unqualified loser, and people would rather be cool than right.

  13. favresux says: Feb 14, 2010 3:36 PM

    rush is right again!

  14. raidersteve413 says: Feb 14, 2010 3:39 PM

    i hate rush. i cant stand him, but on that subject he is tellling the truth and everybody knows it they just dont want to admit it.
    Why is it even racist? its the truth

  15. Hotwaggy11 says: Feb 14, 2010 3:43 PM

    “fat-lethargic-non athletic-never worked a ‘real’ job in his life…” at first I thought this was describing McNabb. What most people failed to see at the time, and continue to fail to see, is that Limbaugh was not criticizing McNabb, but the media for their treatment of McNabb. His point is that McNabb, Vick, Fatpepper…etc. have not been analyzed the same way as other QB’s and the only perceivable difference is their race. Rush’s point is that the media is racist in its presentation of these athletes and, as a result, McNabb and others have undue pressure on them.

  16. JSpicoli says: Feb 14, 2010 3:44 PM

    NFLed,
    Actually Elway never won shiite until Terrell Davis came. Same with Shannarat.

  17. Pack_Attack says: Feb 14, 2010 3:50 PM

    What always struck me was Tom Jacksons fat ass sitting back there nodding his head while Rush was saying this. It wasn’t till a few days later, after a Philly Newspaper guy made a stink about it and trying yelling “racism” did Jackson fall in line. How that guy still has a job is amazing. I turn off the TV every time he’s on.

  18. Mooch says: Feb 14, 2010 3:50 PM

    You will never get a Limbaugh statement that is backed up with facts or that contains context, it is all his opinion.
    To the extent that McNabb was hyped at the time – it was because he was (a) successful in bringing the Eagles back from the cellar and (b) he was very likeable and good with the press and (c) he was young and fresh and MARKETABLE.
    Same thing today. Matt Ryan gets endorsements because he is young, promising, and good looking. He is MARKETABLE. Kurt Warner, while having a bigger resume, isn’t as marketable.
    In fairness to Rush, he was hired by ESPN to do just that – stir up sh*t by making ridiculous statements devoid of facts or context or rationale. So what did they expect.
    Eric’s statement is actually spot on, IMO – he knows the city and the network he works for, and teh disparity that exists.
    Zaggs – I am not sure what you are saying. McNabb is likely a HOF. A soft one, but in an age where John Randle is in the Hall, one has to conclude McNabb will be (look at his #’s). And he remains a well-liked figure nationally. Add to that that he’s kept his nose clean and never been in ANY trouble with the law (aside from some parking incidents) and you have a marketable guy with strong #’s that everyone seems to like.
    And where was the NFL and liberal media to promote Akili Smith?
    But whatever furthers your paranoid white victimhood.

  19. jobob247 says: Feb 14, 2010 3:53 PM

    It’s astounding that the first few commenters actually get it. What Limbaugh said was not racist. He was in fact pointing out an observation, nothing more. The best part was the 2 black former players sitting in the same room as him in agreement with him. Everyone seems to forget that fact…

  20. ☻☼CBS, FOX, ESPN, NFLN nbc says: Feb 14, 2010 3:57 PM

    When you consistently choke in the playoffs, throw the ball at the ankles of your receivers, and are always involved in trade talks, you are overrated

  21. tacious says: Feb 14, 2010 3:58 PM

    Donovan McNabb’s a very good QB, he always has been… but he’s not, and never has been, great! Of course, that’s my opinion, and I don’t feel that I’m some sort of racist for it!
    I think most people out there that have a problem with what Rush said are the types of people that constantly operate in a state of “victim-mode;” somebody’s always got to be a victim somehow, woh is them.

  22. WorldChampionBears2009 says: Feb 14, 2010 3:58 PM

    Notorious V.I.C.: I’d like to hear how a comment that is racist “in nature” isn’t racist. Please inform me and try not to sound like an idiot.

  23. The Notorious V.I.C. says: Feb 14, 2010 4:07 PM

    @JSpicoli
    ====”NFLed,
    Actually Elway never won shiite until Terrell Davis came. Same with Shannarat.”=====
    He made it to 3 Super Bowls, a bunch of playoffs appearances, and won countless games.
    I love these idiots who say a coach or player “hasn’t won anything” if they don’t have a drawerful of Super Bowl rings, as if winning the Super Bowl – being the 1 team out of 32 that does it in a highly competitive league full of professionals – is that easy.
    It shows you idiots don’t know anything about football other than what you hear that dope Peter King talk about.

  24. novanative says: Feb 14, 2010 4:08 PM

    no one cares what an old fat white man who is afraid of change (a Republican) has to say. racism drips from his double chin on a daily

  25. Champs says: Feb 14, 2010 4:09 PM

    Put in perspective, Limbaugh’s statement makes sense. I mean, isn’t Peyton Manning overrated because the media is desirous to see a mental midget be successful? The only problem with either statement is that they ignore the obvious: in either case, their statement flies in the face of fact. In my case, Joey Porter is still in the league (no, he is not cut).

  26. Mooch says: Feb 14, 2010 4:14 PM

    “When you consistently choke in the playoffs, throw the ball at the ankles of your receivers, and are always involved in trade talks, you are overrated”
    So, Rush could see the future?
    Your argument falls apart when McNabb goes over a decade and assembles a HOF resume.
    The NFL wants ANY young, positive, crime-free, educated, and promising young QB to do well. Regardless of race. That is what made the Rush comment stupid. But that was what he was paid to be on that show, so I guess maybe it was all planned.

  27. tian says: Feb 14, 2010 4:25 PM

    Rush Limbaugh is a racist, period. I feel really sorry for those people who actually look to him for information or entertainment.
    The world must be a very scary place for them.

  28. Desides says: Feb 14, 2010 4:37 PM

    “Jon Bois of SBNation.com flagged the comments from Friday’s show and pointed out that what Kuselias said isn’t the same thing as what Limbaugh said in 2003.”
    Jon Bois would be wrong. Both said the same thing: the media has overrated McNabb.

  29. skimbell says: Feb 14, 2010 4:38 PM

    In fairness to Rush, he was hired by ESPN to do just that – stir up sh*t by making ridiculous statements devoid of facts or context or rationale…
    Yeah, kinda like Kieth Olbermann today huh?

  30. Mooch says: Feb 14, 2010 4:43 PM

    The national media started cheering for McNabb the moment he was booed on draft day by the “evil Philadelphia fans who threw snowballs at Santa”.
    And, like Rush, McNabb has played the “I am a victim, everyone is always against me, I am held to a different standard, I just can’t win with some people” card ENDLESSLY. And to great effect, especially when it comes to national media perception.
    But McNabb delivered better than any QB of that draft class. Intersting to note that, when Rush said what he said, the Birds were 0-2 on a bye week and McNabb was playing bad. That season ended with the Eagles in the NFC title game against Carolina.
    Look, I am not a McNabb fan. He cannot win the big game. But to call the guy over-rated at that stage was simply foolish. To call him over-rated at this stage is a tough (but I believe accurate) argument to make.
    To say it was all because of race was just silly. Too bad he had to go back to radio and make 60 billion dollars. We should all have it so tough.

  31. edgy1957 says: Feb 14, 2010 4:43 PM

    Unless Eric The Silliest started going racial like Limbaugh, I don’t see how this can be the same. If you wanted to call McNabb over rated, that’s your right but when you starting trying to equate him as some kind of Great Black Hope then you’re stepping over the line. I don’t know if Rush is incapable of seeing his racism but it’s quite apparent that his fans can’t.

  32. Igottz5onit says: Feb 14, 2010 4:45 PM

    I am tired of Rush Limbaugh’s phony indignation and oversensitivity. I mean I love a multimillionaire fat ass shock DJ playing the persecuted victim as much as the next person but…

  33. TheDPR says: Feb 14, 2010 4:48 PM

    Limbaugh, for those of you who haven’t mastered the English language, was not being a racist against McNabb but rather he was accusing the National Football League brass of being racist by overhyping McNabb not because he’s won anything (he still hasn’t) but because he is black. The league brass then used the liberal wing of the media (who already hated Limbaugh) to blow it out of proportion and accuse him of racism in a sort of, “I know you are but what am I?” sort of character assassination.
    Since that time I don’t know of any commentator with the stones to stand up and accuse the league of racism, even though they have specifically racist legislation such as the Rooney Rule.
    NFL 1
    Truth & Justice 0

  34. Mooch says: Feb 14, 2010 4:51 PM

    EXACTLY like Keith Olbermann.

  35. braindead says: Feb 14, 2010 4:52 PM

    The NFLWould be a better and more entertaining place if Rush was an owner, or was still on ESPN or any place else NFL related.
    Limbaugh! Limbaugh! Limbaugh! Limbaugh!
    Oh and by the way, he was right on all counts! McNabb IS overrated, always has been, and the networks ARE bias in wanting black qb’s and coaches to do well. It isn’t a racist statement, it’s nothing against Black players or coaches, it’s just an obsevation about the media. If that’s racist (and it isn’t) then “tian” and “novanative” can bite my racist ***

  36. C_Roll says: Feb 14, 2010 4:53 PM

    Mcnabb might be overrated, and Erik Kuselias may be right. But Rush explained the reason he is overrated is because he is black, something Kuselias did not say. Maybe Rush doesnt realize the things he says are racist, or more likely he does, and just does not care because… hes a racist.

  37. polishkingski says: Feb 14, 2010 4:53 PM

    mcnabb is over rated? well i guess i`d love to have seen him being over rated in a bills jersy the past ten years. he is and always was in the top ten qb`s in the league. its a dumb argument. rush limbaugh is a clown and so is every one that believes what he says. if you sat his fat ass down and showed him how many times what he has stated as fact is incorrect, his ditto shit heads would still not admit it. this country is in very very sorry shape.

  38. Mooch says: Feb 14, 2010 4:54 PM

    Skimbell,
    But when did Keith (who is prone to fits of nuttiness) ever come and say that an NFL player was being promoted simply because of his race?
    When he has his sports hat on, I don’t believe he has ever made such a ridculous comment.
    I don’t watch the NBC show, let me know if he reduced a man’s career to something that was handed to him based on the color of his skin.
    Time’s yours.

  39. Route36West says: Feb 14, 2010 4:55 PM

    Eric K said he was overrated and underrated thats it.
    Limbaugh said he was overrated b.c hes black. As in saying he believed people were jumping the gun to early when calling Mcnabb a great qb b/c they wanted a black qb to be great. He wasnt saying he cant be a good qb b/c hes black.
    Rush is such an idiot for a guy thats worth millions of dollars its insane how dumb he is. He cant see the difference between what he and Eric said.
    I dont believe Rush got fired just for the Mcnabb comment. It was just the straw that broke the camels back. He said so many dumb things before that and people hated him so ESPN decided it wasnt worth it.
    Even if Eric came out and said the samething as Rush I dont think he would be fired b/c has a good track record and doesnt offend people. Rush is dumbest smart person Ive ever heard speak.

  40. j-wil says: Feb 14, 2010 4:56 PM

    racist, racist, racist!!
    whatever…………………………………

  41. kristoff says: Feb 14, 2010 4:57 PM

    ok,first of all rush had know bizz, being hired by ESPN in the 1st place!!! a slap in the face 2 every minority or democra. what wld all u pro rush republicand have said if ESPN hired al sharton or jesse jackson??? OMG!! all hell wlda broke loose! sharton wlda been sayn farve and peyton r overated and that the nfl just wanted a white guy succed 2 keep there ratings up. rush had enough bizznes analizing nfl players on national tv as sharpton has analyzing nhl hockey players.

  42. slipkid says: Feb 14, 2010 5:06 PM

    limbaugh was right both times. so was kuselias.
    nobody in their right mind wants the commie lib osamabama style of change to continue. the media cant even cover for osamabama in popularity polls anymore.
    go change yer own diapers liberal black left. the change YOU want is the death of this country. you commit all interracial crime then have the bald chutzpah to say that the reason you commit those crimes is because everyone hates you. how about admitting that if people hate you it is because you are violent and unable to control yerselves. you are the home of hate, and always have been.
    everyone is really tired of blacks’ (and other libs’) phony indignation and hypersensitivity. every group has taken a turn at being slaves except the one that keeps pulling your strings.
    you dont contribute jack.
    and lefties – if you wanted the wars over you should have supported ron paul. and forget yer enviro-commie crapola and drill here.
    but hey nbc etc – enjoy watching the rams move -cause limbaugh would have kept them in st. loo.
    would the left really cry racism in order to provide cover for their own shady business deals – why yes. they do it all the time.

  43. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 14, 2010 5:09 PM

    “Your argument falls apart when McNabb goes over a decade and assembles a HOF resume. ”
    When was McNabb inducted into the Hall of Fame? Are you saying that *you* can see the future?

  44. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 14, 2010 5:10 PM

    Black on black crime?

  45. edgy1957 says: Feb 14, 2010 5:12 PM

    From 1999 to 2002, the season before Limbaugh opened up his mouth, McNabb, with NO WHERE NEAR the offensive firepower as Manning (McNabb would have killed for a running game and let’s see Manning put up those kind of numbers with James Trash and Todd Stinkston as his starting receivers), led the Eagles to a 31-17 record (4-3 in the playoffs and two appearances in the NFC championship game). From 1998 to 2001, Manning led Indy to a 32-32 record (0-2 in the playoffs) and people were already talking about him as being a “future Hall Of Famer.” It took 4 playoff appearances for him to even get his first win (This year is the first 0-fer for McNabb). Who was the more overrated QB at the same stage in their careers?
    P.S. – Cowboys fan….

  46. Mooch says: Feb 14, 2010 5:14 PM

    OK, so let’s work through this…
    #1 – If McNabb was being hyped because he was black, that would mean that there was no other basis on which to hype him. Check the record and his stats AT THE TIME and you will see that is silly.
    #2 – Why McNabb. Why not Akili Smith and Daunte Culpepper as well? And why did they not rush to the defense of Shaun King? And why is everyone now over-hyping Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco?
    #3 – Why would the NFL, an organization that is ALL about profit, put out some kind of command to the media to hype up McNabb? To what gain? The NFL has almost universal penetration across white and AA segments. Why would they not create and develop a hispanic superstar, as that would have moved the ratings / merchandising needle?
    #4 – What was the big deal about a black QB in 2003? This was after Cunningham, Moon, and in the heydey of Steve McNair. How would a black QB be a ‘big deal’?
    I am not prepared to call it a racist argument. It was a stupid argument. And having a pitiful knowledge of football, and an inability to analyze anything, is what lost Rush that job.
    He’s a talented radio guy. But this just was not a good fit for what he offered.
    You are all over-thinking this.

  47. Mooch says: Feb 14, 2010 5:17 PM

    Oh, and how was McNabb ‘over-rated’ at the time? September 2003.
    I think the only QB that deserved more attention than him at the time was Daunte Culpepper. Who, correct me if I am wrong, was also black.

  48. Brownwood26 says: Feb 14, 2010 5:21 PM

    Typical Limbaugh half-truths…if Rush said McNabb was overrated at left it at that, he would have been fine. It was when HE–not the “liberal media”–threw race into the equation (“the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well”) that he got into hot water over it. I didn’t see McNabb’s race included anywhere in Kuselias’s comments, therefore his comments were considered in-bounds.
    So for Rush and his mindless followers, let’s review:
    Calling McNabb overrated: OK.
    Calling McNabb overrated because of his skin color: not OK.
    Hope this has been educational.

  49. Mooch says: Feb 14, 2010 5:22 PM

    PS – Rush wasn’t fired. He quit.
    Because fighters fight.

  50. tombrookshire says: Feb 14, 2010 5:25 PM

    Is McNabb overrated? Gaudy stats aside, which McNabb will rely upon in his HOF bid, yes. McNabb was booed by Philly fans on draft day, not because they knew he would never be good enough to win the Superbowl, but because they preferred RB Ricky Williams. Little did anyone know how prophetic an act that would be. Philly fans call him McChoke and McPuke out of frustration that he shrinks in big games. He is as ill-suited to the West Coast offense as any QB not named Montana or Young. He is neither a consistent or accurate passer, but is a better downfield passer. He has never been a dink and dunk passer where his throws land at the feet of, or above the head of his mostly mediocre receivers. In 11 seasons he has never developed any “touch” in his throws, heaving even short passes 100 MPH. In his defense, Reid, his coach, never thought it was much of a priority to get him decent receivers until the 2009 season. It is that kind of confounding arrogance that Reid draws a significant amount of fan ire on his own. The Eagles are a team built to win in the regular season, which puts asses in seats and merch on backs. It has become a billion dollar business enterprise. Management however, views the post season as a fan’s delight, but not a business priority. Fiscal conservatism, including salaries and player age, is crucial to their business model. That’s why they were so indifferent to Brian Dawkins’ departure, replacing him with a late round but serviceable draft choice. As a result of their football philosophies, they have gapping holes in the team which prevents them from being that “gold standard” they claim to be. The Eagles are designed to keep the fans interested and hopeful, knowing that in the end, there will be disappointment. The team is a year-round passion for fans, but for ownership, it is first and always a business, and that’s all you need to know about the Eagles.

  51. Mooch says: Feb 14, 2010 5:41 PM

    Predicting something based on over a decade of data is different than basing it off a few years, as Rush did. Especially now that we are “at the end” of the McNabb career.
    Based on his numbers now + 2 years, he will be in the discussion for the HOF.
    In fact, after a decade of results I’ve concluded that he is over-rated – and have said so many many times on PFT.
    Where I differ from Rush is that (a) I have viable a set of results to back it up and (b) I attribute NONE of it to racism. That’s pretty much it – I even agree that the national media is unduly biased towards him, but attribute that to his being booed on draft day and his natural likability,
    And I do not believe he should be in the HOF, but he probably will be given what gets in now AND the national media’s love of McNabb.

  52. Mooch says: Feb 14, 2010 5:42 PM

    Slipkid – Obama was President in 2003?

  53. Pantherfan10 says: Feb 14, 2010 5:51 PM

    Everything Limbaugh says is poison, this isn’t news if the majority of logical people already know this…

  54. Mooch says: Feb 14, 2010 5:52 PM

    Brown – that’s it in a nutshell. Race has nothing to do with it.
    Race as an issue is even sillier given the guy we are talking about. I don’t think – based on friends and calls to WIP and 950 that McNabb is all the identified with / liked in the AA community of Philly. It’s not like he’s Allen Iverson!
    I will take a step further and agree with both that the national media loves McNabb over-much.
    Consider this – Mcnabb will have comparable stats to Bledsoe in terms of yards. He will have fewer TD’s by a few and far less INT’s. Obviously more rushing TD’s.
    Yet I hear McNabb talked about as a HOF’er, while those same people would laugh to hear Bledsoe mentioned as a HOF’er.
    It is all because they felt bad when he god booed on draft day, and he has been a good interview. And he is a good guy. That is why he will be a HOF’er.
    They like him.
    Race has zero to do with it.

  55. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 14, 2010 5:54 PM

    Limbaugh said that the media overrates McNabb because McNabb is black, not that McNabb is overrated because he’s black.
    “I think what we’ve had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn’t deserve. The defense carried this team.”
    And you know that McNabb’s a perpetual victim…
    “It’s pretty, pretty heavy. It’s something obviously I have been going through ever since I was young, through high school, through college, through the NFL. You figure it would have been over by now.”
    Poor 100 million dollar man, so persecuted!
    Anybody remember when he introduced Kevin Curtis on national TV by the name “White Lightning”? Or when his father said that what TO was doing amounted to “black on black crime”? What about the time that he said that black QBs are held to a higher standard than white QBs?
    “I bet Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, Jake Plummer, and Doug Flutie have never been told by a member of any racial consciousness organization that they don’t play the quarterback position white enough”
    Vince Young thinks that Donovan McNabb is a pussy and needs to shut the F up.

  56. Brady-mancrush says: Feb 14, 2010 5:59 PM

    @polishkingski
    McNabb hasn’t been a top qb in the past ten years.. only 5 times has he cracked the top 10 in qb rating this decade
    ’01 7th ranked 84.3
    ’02 7th ranked 86
    ’04 4th ranked 104.
    06 4th ranked 95.5
    ’07 9th ranked 89.6
    Mc Nabb is above average at best and due to the controversie that Rush brought, He would have probably been run out of town by now….
    Besides if you watch and follow football, anyone can tell you, Brian Westbrook carries the Iggles…
    By the way, with the exception of the ’08 season where he was injured, Tom Brady has been in the top 10 every year along with Peyton Manning

  57. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 14, 2010 6:02 PM

    “McNabb would have killed for a running game”
    Sorry, but 0-3gles coaches don’t like running games and they have proven this basic FACT time and time again.

  58. KRC says: Feb 14, 2010 6:17 PM

    There really wasn’t a reason for Rush to inject race in describing McNabb’s being overrated. Is McNabb overrated? OF COURSE HE IS. Is he a HOFer? NO WAY. By the time he retires, the quarterback numbers of his peers will likely dwarf his plus they will have a championship which is something McNabb will NEVER have. It is a shame because McNabb has played just well enough to keep his job but a whole generation of Eagles fans will go without a championship because their QB never had the right stuff to win it all. Check the stats, when Jeff Garcia was starter the team performed equally as well. Who’s to say if the Eagles cut their losses 5 years ago and got a new QB, maybe they would have a title today. But there really wasn’t a need for Rush to bring up race — there are plenty of NFLers (both black and white) who you could say are overrated (Ochocino, Urlacher, etc.).

  59. TheWizard says: Feb 14, 2010 6:31 PM

    I wonder how many PFT readers who like Limbaugh actually agree with Limbaugh that there isn’t a difference between what Limbaugh said and what Kuselias said.
    There is always a difference when a conservative speaks and a liberal speaks. They can say the same thing, but most national media would excoriate the one and make apologies for the other.
    Liberal senator Byrd is an ex Klan leader. Do you think a conservative could EVER get away with that?
    That’s one of thousands of examples.

  60. The Notorious V.I.C. says: Feb 14, 2010 6:45 PM

    @WorldChampionBears2009 ===”Notorious V.I.C.: I’d like to hear how a comment that is racist “in nature” isn’t racist. Please inform me and try not to sound like an idiot. “====
    Idiot, why don’t you go back and read what I wrote, this time with your head pulled out of your arse so you might actually get it right?
    I said Limbaugh’s comment was racial, not racist.
    As in, it’s a comment that deals with race and/or race issues, but it’s not hateful or discrimatory toward a race.
    See the difference, Sherlock?
    Now go and read another Noam Chomsky book and act like you’re some kind of genius who has all the answers because of it.

  61. C. says: Feb 14, 2010 6:52 PM

    ☻☼CBS, FOX, ESPN, NFLN nbc says:
    February 14, 2010 3:57 PM
    When you consistently choke in the playoffs, throw the ball at the ankles of your receivers, and are always involved in trade talks, you are overrated
    Just explain to me who he’s rated over to be considered “overreated”? I think the term “overreated” is overrated. What the hell does it mean? Who’s rating system is used? Doesn’t McNabb rate by where his personal stats put him? I would thik he rates pretty good in win percentage and poor in SB wins.
    I never got the whole “he’s overrated thing” It’s dumb.

  62. hotchick says: Feb 14, 2010 6:56 PM

    Another successful stoking of the page views.

  63. DoomsDayD75 says: Feb 14, 2010 7:39 PM

    HOLD ON A SECOND HERE.
    Donovan McNabb is black?

  64. Cornerdenizen says: Feb 14, 2010 8:18 PM

    whether or not Donovan McNabb ( 0r anyone else) is ‘overrated’ is a matter of subjective opinion.
    …as is Rush Limbaugh’s relevance.

  65. stanmak says: Feb 14, 2010 8:35 PM

    rush was right- we do want to see a black qb do well. and mcnabb is good, but gets talked about a little too much. i think thats just americans’ support of overcoming diversity.
    we got our black president, and we never hear the end of how much the city of new orleans deserved a superbowl win…

  66. Occam says: Feb 14, 2010 8:37 PM

    You guys are just making a big deal about this because Rush Limbaugh is white.

  67. stvvon says: Feb 14, 2010 8:48 PM

    Rush didn’t say anything out of line in perspective to McNabb. I isn’t about what was said, it was all about who said it. Then you got bone heads like M. Wiley spewing off lies about Rush, and the totaly wacked out Keith Olberman who no one listents too anyway saying something, and it gets all blown out of wack. Rush is right. It’s the media that is out of step with the population.
    I wish Rush would buy the Raiders..now that would piss off ESPN, they don’t like the Raiders anyway, so lets make it a party..

  68. downsouth49er says: Feb 14, 2010 9:39 PM

    Why is this big fat racist idiotic pig always being discussed on PFT? I’ll be so glad when he no longer exist

  69. gregjennings says: Feb 14, 2010 10:01 PM

    Define Racism.
    I define racism as singeling someone out by the color of their skin.
    So, IMO, saying Tony Dungy becomes the first black coach to win a superbowl is technically a racisist statement.
    This country is going down the toilet.

  70. whatabucnmess says: Feb 14, 2010 10:17 PM

    truth hurts……

  71. tatum32 says: Feb 14, 2010 10:48 PM

    # Hotwaggy11 says: February 14, 2010 3:43 PM
    “fat-lethargic-non athletic-never worked a ‘real’ job in his life…” at first I thought this was describing McNabb. What most people failed to see at the time, and continue to fail to see, is that Limbaugh was not criticizing McNabb, but the media for their treatment of McNabb. His point is that McNabb, Vick, Fatpepper…etc. have not been analyzed the same way as other QB’s and the only perceivable difference is their race. Rush’s point is that the media is racist in its presentation of these athletes and, as a result, McNabb and others have undue pressure on them.
    Limbaugh is a divisive a%#hole who is tearing this country apart. He’s never had anything positive to say about the country, or its direction and never will as long as the blind follow him. The demographics are against him, and he will be a long forgotten memory in 2013 or so…..

  72. tatum32 says: Feb 14, 2010 10:50 PM

    # Tom says: February 14, 2010 3:18 PM
    I am sick and tired of the thin skin people that use the racial thing every five seconds.
    And the country is tired of people who use that argument to continually annoy and anger people in a very ugly, shameful and divided history of America’s past…

  73. KevinKolb4SB says: Feb 14, 2010 11:24 PM

    Rush was more right than wrong but what he said wasn’t politically correct. Some things are better left unsaid, particularily when you are working at ESPN. I’m not a Rush fan, but there are certain members of the media who always have a soft spot for Mcnabb…and refuse to criticize him no matter what he does. But to be honest, it’s human nature to an extent. Some white people never criticize Peyton Manning, and if he throws a pick, the receiver ran the wrong route..

  74. Skol Vikes says: Feb 15, 2010 12:06 AM

    @ Mooch…
    Yes, look at mcnabbs numbers, they are very similar to brad johnson, but with one less SB win.
    Do you think Brad Johnson is a hall of famer?
    And where does the John Randle comparison come from?
    John Randle has more sacks than any DT in history. He was the #1 DT of his era. What records does mcnabb hold? Is he the #1 QB of his era? He isn’t even top 10.

  75. lichnor says: Feb 15, 2010 12:42 AM

    If the nfl only wanted the GREAT players in their Hall they would have named it the Hall of Greats.
    But, they didn’t. They named it the Hall of FAME, a place where great players go but also good players who were famous.
    Russ Grimm would be a good example. He wasn’t even the best player on the Hogs, but he got in….before any of the others on that line mind you.
    Joe Namath is a great example of this. Good player, not great by any means, but he sure is/was famous wasn’t he?
    John Madden? His role of a coach was good, but not great. He got in because he is famous in his roles after coaching.
    John Stallworth? Good receiver, not great. but he sure was famous for those Steeler teams.
    Marv Levy? Is there a bigger choker in the world? 0-4 in the Superbowl. I mean, if folks are gonna give McNabb crap for going 1-5 in AFCC games (0-1 in SBs), then Levy has got to be 10 times worse!!!!!! But he’s in there.
    Hall of FAME, people…..Hall of FAME.

  76. Opie says: Feb 15, 2010 1:09 AM

    @ polishkingski: All smart people are libs….funny!
    Someone else mentioned it above: DNabb’s overrated when compared to whom, exactly? Do a little research before repeating what you’ve “heard.” Check his stats objectively. I’m not saying he is or isn’t, but I have checked his stats……. are you comparing him to Manning? Brady?
    Someone mentioned his passer rating. It’s 85.9% going into his best year (’09). Only 3 qb’s w/as many pass attempts have a higher rating. Manning, Marino, and Montana.
    His completion % is higher than more than a few hall of famers.
    To just pop off and repeat bullshit is ignorant. The dude can ball and is one of the top 25-30 qb’s to play the game. Period.
    @ Vox: as a 1-5’boys fan, your BIG break through season got you where exactly?……. @ home w/out a title = exactly. You’d take McNabb over Romo anyday and you shouldn’t be ashamed to say it.

  77. LighTsouT says: Feb 15, 2010 2:14 AM

    Erik Kwhatever said he’s underrated in Phili (every off-season it seems they fans want his head) and he’s overrated across the nation, as some people think he’s a top 5 QB. What did he say wrong/racist? Nothing at all. Not to mention, it’s his assessment of the QUARTERBACK, not the BLACK MAN. Also, everyone knows Rush Limgay is racist as hell. What did he say, teh Rutgers girls looked like wild cats? LOL

  78. WorldChampionBears2009 says: Feb 15, 2010 2:39 AM

    excuses V.I.C. excuses. The comment was racist if McNabb wasn’t black we wouldn’t be having this conversation. When it comes to whether McNabb is overrated or not its because he’s black it always comes up.
    Limbaugh accused the media of it but he had no justification to back it up. He made a racist statement.

  79. rbais2 says: Feb 15, 2010 6:10 AM

    Rush has a plan???
    Hope he is proposing it without being on Oxy-Contin.
    To even consider debating politics is a joke. This fat idiot Limbaugh is so dumb, he actually thinks that general people will be served without being in bed with them.
    The ones served will be corporations and Mark Sanford’s mistress.

  80. sbc2556 says: Feb 15, 2010 6:47 AM

    The point isn’t if McNabb is overrated, underrated, average or whatever; it’s that Limbaugh tied race and a so called liberal media conspiracy to his comments!
    The justification for a conservative, hate mongering media has long been used by accusing the media at large of being “liberal” and having a race bias… it plays nicely into the right’s attack against quotas and race-based government incentive programs (which plenty of us on the left have issues with as well!). It’s a neat package that racists use to mainstream their agenda under a less conspicuous hood!
    Limbaugh has found a thousand ways to spin the theme based on these concepts, but even a fourth grader would recognize them as basically racist and anti progressive in nature.
    Let’s stop debating his comments and call a spade a spade, as it were! If you don’t give Limbaugh the respect and decency of debate and simply distill his comments into what they are, then he’s just another redneck racist without the intellect or abilities to make a dollar but for this platform!
    Stop talking about him as if he’s relevant and he’s just another greasy redneck working at a gas station!

  81. ninerblitz says: Feb 15, 2010 6:49 AM

    Fellow consevatives:
    I don’t think Limbaugh is a racist. I do think he is a bigot. For many years or arrogance has hurt us as a Nation. Instead of most of working to be the best we an be, we expect a way life based on beliefs. These beliefs can religious, monetary, political, ignorant and foolish. Rush Limbaugh is the white dream of every arrogant, ignorant and foolish white male in America.
    When you can look at McNabb as a QB instead of a Black QB, then you’ve turned the corner. As a Lions fan, I can honestly say that I don’t think McNabb is overrated. After all, I don’t hear anyone even comparing him to best QBs out there. I hear alot about Manning, Brees and Brady (No McNabb in the same conversation). So I trying to figure out how is he over rated. Secondly, Rush wasn’t stating the truth, he was stating his opinion. An opinion on record that doesn’t help anything. An opinion shared by some, but will be blasted by many.
    So Rush is nothing more than a shock jock and bigot. He’s not a racist. Had he done his job instead of bigot on TV, then he would still have a job with ESPN (Maybe own a NFL team) and McNabb would still be over rated.
    Rush doesn’t because his spit is poison.
    Someone actually bought up Elway. McNabb is this generations Elway. If Philly wants to win the big one, they need a Hall of Fame type TE and RB. When Denver got Terell Davis the superbowls came.

  82. sbc2556 says: Feb 15, 2010 7:11 AM

    Why was Limbaugh ever even on ESPN?! For his intricate football knowledge?! To put one of the most divisive personalities in our society on that show; the show that people from all walks of life and backgrounds watched religiously every Sunday morning (why do you think that Fox was putting every football personality possible on… to beat ESPN!!) to watch was an unforgivable insult! I wonder constantly about the ABC/Disney family that says it’s for families but pays for this kind of a hate monger on radio and T.V.!
    For this clown to reduce our most beloved sport into a liberal, racist attack is ridiculous and unacceptable! Limbaugh should drop his load someplace else! Enough! Let us love our football in its purity and damn ANYONE who has another agenda!
    To borrow the words of Jim Mora from a long ago, unrelated (and unconnected) event: Limbaugh doesn’t know “diddly poo!” about the purity, brotherhood and sanctity of the NFL fan base… he doesn’t know and he’ll never know!

  83. sbc2556 says: Feb 15, 2010 7:26 AM

    ninerblitz – I have many v conservative friends , but none would ever tie themselves to being racists or bigots!
    Get the point that pushing an agenda of bigotry on a nationals stage feeds and supports racism!! Stop insulting us and pretending that there isn’t an inexorable tie! Hatred is hatred! Stop pretending as if there’s a good way and a bad way to hate someone… it all feeds on itself and has the same roots. Do some introspection on this. Again, this has nothing to do with football! Please take this agenda elsewhere!

  84. packerfanfornot4life says: Feb 15, 2010 8:58 AM

    I do not like Rush but ive always thought what he said was spot on. Mcnabb has always been average at the QB position and was lauded as great. Its the same thing with “our” President, had he been white he would have been beaten out by Hilary. A white guy with Obamas’ credentials or lack thereof would have been skewered by the media just for the fact that he can’t even prove he was born in America and don’t forget his ties to known terrorists!!! (Bill Ayers)

  85. RAVEN MANIAC says: Feb 15, 2010 9:20 AM

    Sorry I have to stoop to this level and comment, on that, FAT, HATE MUNGER, DRUG ADDICT, PISS POOR EXCUSE FOR A HUSBAND. For those of you who says Rush comments about Mcnabb, wasn’t racist, have to be delusional, when it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and eat’s like a duck, IT’S A DUCK PEOPLE. look at his track record, its speaks for itself, he is a Racist, and for those of you who don’t think so, I have to wonder, if you getting high with Rush or your trying to protect, this rich fat idiot at your expense.

  86. Mooch says: Feb 15, 2010 9:52 AM

    Like I said – I do not believe he deserves to be a HOF’er (not all that close, IMO)…but that is all I hear from national pundits looking to protect him from us “evil Philadelphia fans who booed Santa”.
    I had been using Bledose to rebut those points, but yours with Brad Johnson work even better. Testaverde works as well.
    Thanks!

  87. Beer N Donuts says: Feb 15, 2010 9:59 AM

    So…
    I read every single comment on this article and most, not all, of those commenting should be embarrassed by their logic and reasoning on what could have been an interesting discussion.
    I’d like to say, based on the comments, that I’m relieved that illogical arguments, race baiting, and hate speech is equal and present in all political lines of thought and not the product of the evil right or the loony left, but for some reason I’m just not too happy about it.
    Go America?

  88. Mooch says: Feb 15, 2010 10:02 AM

    Yes, the HOF is about many things on and off the field…
    Look at Lynn Swann – his numbers were positively Pinkston-esque some years. I bet Amani Toomer had better #’s over the course of his career. Yet, he goes to the Hall because he was on a dynasty.
    Namath is in the HOF because of his contribution to building the league. He was an important part of that, and the powers that be decided it was worthy of enshrinement.
    Same with Madden – his game serves to replenish the fan base of the NFL every season, its a marketing masterpiece.
    Hell, the guy that invented fantasy football should be in the HOF. That made the league’s relationship with its fans far stronger than any other current league. Who doesn’t watch a CLE-DET game to see if Brandon Pettigrew can get you that 20 yards you need for the win!?!?!
    Point is this – if you LIKE McNabb, you can justify his being a HOF’er. If you DON’T LIKE McNabb, you can argue strongly against it. He’s close, but to me you have to show me the ring to get in.

  89. Bell63 says: Feb 15, 2010 10:34 AM

    I think people confuse ‘racist’ with ‘not politically correct’. No, what Rush said was NOT racist, and anyone who has taken any type of basic sociology class would know that.

  90. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 15, 2010 11:02 AM

    “Someone mentioned his passer rating. It’s 85.9% going into his best year (’09). Only 3 qb’s w/as many pass attempts have a higher rating. Manning, Marino, and Montana.”
    That’s not a very good passer rating for a guy that has played his entire career in the WCO.
    “His completion % is higher than more than a few hall of famers.”
    Yeah he hits the checkdown guy really well. Actually he doesn’t but he tries his ass off.
    “To just pop off and repeat bullshit is ignorant. The dude can ball and is one of the top 25-30 qb’s to play the game. Period.”
    haha you’re smoking crack. I’m not even going to look anything up, I’ll just name the first bunch of guys that pop into my head that are/were better and I’ll leave Romo off the list even though he’s better than McNabb and has proven so, so you don’t get the vapors.
    Staubach
    Aikman
    Bradshaw
    Tittle
    Graham
    Moon
    Montana
    Young
    Tarkenton
    Unitas
    Stabler
    Layne
    Luckman
    Roethlisberger
    van Brocklin
    Fouts
    P. Manning
    Kelly
    Marino
    Brady
    Namath
    Lamonica
    Bob Griese
    BertFarve
    Starr
    Warner
    Baugh
    Dawson
    Esiason
    Theisman
    How many is that? 30 right on the nose, off the top of my head.
    “@ Vox: as a 1-5’boys fan, your BIG break through season got you where exactly?……. @ home w/out a title = exactly. You’d take McNabb over Romo anyday and you shouldn’t be ashamed to say it.”
    Why in F would I do that? Because your “top 25-30 qb” has so many Super Bowl rings? Get real. Your 0-3gles would rather have Romo than McNabb because McNabb is on the way OUT and Romo is on the way UP. You prefer Romo too, but you’re too much of a lowbrow to admit it. The funniest part of this is that next season, you’ll definitely not have one of them and you will probably have neither. When McNabb is cut or traded will be the precise moment that you see him for what he is and start talking shit about him because you can’t see past your nose.

  91. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 15, 2010 11:05 AM

    “Someone actually bought up Elway. McNabb is this generations Elway. If Philly wants to win the big one, they need a Hall of Fame type TE and RB. When Denver got Terell Davis the superbowls came.”
    One problem with your theory. Shanahan’s not afraid to run the ball. The 0-3gles need a head coach that wants to win rather than cement his legacy as a genius (a genius that can’t manage a game, but whatever).

  92. toe-to-toe bird law says: Feb 15, 2010 11:31 AM

    .VoxVeritas says:
    February 14, 2010 6:02 PM
    “McNabb would have killed for a running game”
    Sorry, but 0-3gles coaches don’t like running games and they have proven this basic FACT time and time again.
    ————————————————
    Should I really be surprised that this guy is on a website spewing his usual vitriol towards the Eagles on Valentine’s Day instead of trying to get laid?

  93. NeonDog says: Feb 15, 2010 12:22 PM

    Keep the boiled-assed chicken hawk Limbaugh out of my sports life. Limbaugh took advantage of his family connections in Southeast Missouri in order to avoid the draft and stay as far away from Vietnam as he could.

  94. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 15, 2010 12:55 PM

    “Keep the boiled-assed chicken hawk Limbaugh out of my sports life. Limbaugh took advantage of his family connections in Southeast Missouri in order to avoid the draft and stay as far away from Vietnam as he could.”
    Good for him. Vietnam was the most retarded war in world history. Fought for retarded political reasons, commanded by retarded politicians, cost the lives of tens of thousands of good Americans that were used like political pawns. I’ll go ahead and praise Canada just this once for sheltering our political refugees.

  95. reformed says: Feb 15, 2010 1:19 PM

    Donovan McNabb is a black man.
    Donovan McNabb self identifies as a black man.
    Donovan McNabb is a mediocre NFL qb.
    How does one arrive at the conclusion DM is mediocre. One looks at the total package. Not celebrity worship, not some statistic, not potential, but actual performance over time. McNabb has some flashes of brilliance but these are very, very short lived. Also he cannot, does not produce consistently week in week out. He runs hot, he runs cold. Mediocre. Oh yea- he absolutely choked, folded and quit during his SB apperance. Mediocre. The NFL has an active ongoing policy of promoting QB, blacks, and anyone who shows “potential” This is what they do to create “buzz”, interest in thier NFL product. DM never rose to the top, never produced at that level, never dwelled there but for a mere moment,and then settled in at a 5-6 out of ten. Mediocrity. If you are looking for a black qb that far surpasses DM, try Doug Williams. This guy far and away is a better qb, better person, better athlete, and oh yea he peformed brilliantly in his SB apperance.

  96. NeonDog says: Feb 15, 2010 1:25 PM

    OK..So PFT didn’t like my mention of where Limbaugh’s boil was located.
    So we’ll keep it simple.
    Keep chicken hawk-draft dodging Limbaugh off of the sports page.

  97. Nambla Limbaugh says: Feb 15, 2010 2:52 PM

    What Neon Dog said. I’m sick of this fat huckster and his legion of gullible minions polluting virtually every web board on the net with their shameless ignorance. Makes you depressed for the future of America. The plans of the powers-that-be to spend like drunks on defense and a pittance on public education is really starting to pay dividends for them. “Keep yer government hands off’uh mah medicare!”

  98. polishkingski says: Feb 15, 2010 3:29 PM

    @ruvell100 being polish is an ethnicity, its not a race….just thought i`d tell you smart guy.

  99. Whiterhinocerous says: Feb 15, 2010 3:47 PM

    # .VoxVeritas says: February 15, 2010 12:55 PM
    Good for him. Vietnam was the most retarded war in world history. Fought for retarded political reasons, commanded by retarded politicians, cost the lives of tens of thousands of good Americans that were used like political pawns. I’ll go ahead and praise Canada just this once for sheltering our political refugees.
    ——————-
    Says the guy who probably lambasted Bill Clinton for the same thing in 2000. Liar, hypocrite, fraud. It makes sense that you’re a Cowgirls fan.

  100. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 15, 2010 5:13 PM

    Whiterhinocerous says:
    Vox Vox Vox, 24/7.
    “I’ll give you the off chance that you’ve paid for sex before, but that doesn’t count”
    It counted when your mom didn’t have any money to buy you your post toasties, freak.

  101. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 15, 2010 5:15 PM

    Oh by the way.
    20-16 in Philly to take their pride
    24-0 to take the division
    34-14 to get 0-3gle fans to follow me around like little puppies starving for attention.
    Wade Phillips is 5-2 against Andy Reid.

  102. this class sucks says: Feb 15, 2010 6:58 PM

    haha confirmed, Vox Veritas is indeed single. Not theres anything wrong with that, I am currently single. Of course there is a difference, I didn’t say I have a wife, and I got laid last night, and most importantly, I am not Vox.
    Here is his myspace http://www.myspace.com/warlock978
    As of Monday at 3:58 (West Coast) he is listed as single, for those of you that look it up and find him married all of the sudden. I am sure he will run to his myspace to change his status right now.

  103. Ruvell100 says: Feb 15, 2010 8:06 PM

    @Polish- You’re correct. Polish people as an ethnic group, not a race, have a well-deserved and worldwide reputation for being unintelligent.

  104. toe-to-toe bird law says: Feb 15, 2010 8:10 PM

    .VoxVeritas says: February 15, 2010 12:48 PM
    I’m married, you freaking dumbass.
    ———————————————–
    That is by far the funniest thing you’ve said on these boards. You’ve outdone yourself.
    P.S.- Every time you react angrily after I point out your deranged behavior, you totally give yourself up.

  105. souldogdave says: Feb 15, 2010 10:02 PM

    Wow, a lot of haters out there, Black and White and in between. McNabb is likeable, an above average QB, but that doesn’t win superbowls. He reminds me of Tony Romo. His window is closing, he’s not HOF material, and barring unforseen circumstance, it’s over for him.

  106. Opie says: Feb 16, 2010 12:03 AM

    @ Vox: “When McNabb is cut or traded”
    Just ignorant.
    “haha you’re smoking crack. I’m not even going to look anything up”
    Of course not, why would you base anything you say off of facts?!? I guess when you’re a 1-5’boys fan, it’s not nice to use facts as an argument……
    @ Vox: your qb list doesn’t stand the litmus test. DNabb is better than more than a few of those guys…….puts him into the top 15-30 all time easily. Thank you for proving my point!
    @ reformed: you’re not very bright….

  107. Opie says: Feb 16, 2010 12:08 AM

    @ souldogdave: please don’t use compare Romo to McNabb. Your opinion, I know, but they aren’t comparable. Romo needs way more “work” to get to that level.
    as for above avg qb not winning you Super Bowls……plenty of examples of below average qb’s winning super bowls. It takes a TEAM to win a super bowl, great qb or not.
    As for DNabb being a HOF, well there are 31 qb’s in the Hall. Check his stats. If you’re saying that because he hasn’t won a super bowl, then he doesn’t deserve to be in then I’d say you need to check your criteria. More than a few in there w/out the ring.
    Overall, I’d say he’s right behind Manning & Brady. His stats would bear that out.

  108. mrlefty says: Feb 16, 2010 7:04 AM

    the only thing Rush Limbaugh is interested in is Rush Limbaugh. I want call him all of the obvious names that is childish. However he is a liar, He has lied for so long about so many things, that if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he’d have to lie about that, just to stay in form. Anyone that depends on Rush for information or trust Rush for information is a part of the problem not the solution.
    Rush we need serious people to deal with serious problems, you unfortunately or fortunatley depending on your point of view are neither. so blah blah blah blah yourself to death.

  109. Brady-mancrush says: Feb 16, 2010 8:09 AM

    Opie says:
    Overall, I’d say he’s right behind Manning & Brady. His stats would bear that out.
    You have gone past crazy and straight to delusional……..Maybe you missed my earleir post:
    Brady-mancrush says:
    @polishkingski
    McNabb hasn’t been a top qb in the past ten years.. only 5 times has he cracked the top 10 in qb rating this decade
    ’01 7th ranked 84.3
    ’02 7th ranked 86
    ’04 4th ranked 104.
    06 4th ranked 95.5
    ’07 9th ranked 89.6
    By the way, with the exception of the ’08 season where he was injured, Tom Brady has been in the top 10 every year along with Peyton Manning has been in the top 10 every year along with Peyton Manning

  110. Opie says: Feb 16, 2010 10:01 AM

    @ Brady-mancrush: Looking at your statistical references, even you’d have to say it is a crap shoot every year to be in the top 10 for qb rating. Hell, Chad Pennington was the leader in the clubhouse w/a career high ONE year.
    You bring up Brady & P. Manning, I have them listed ahead of DNabb – no doubt.
    Career-wise, DNabb is 24th in passing yards, 19th in completions and 22nd in TD’s. All this while leading TD/Int ratio.
    Delusional, I think not.

  111. KingerIC3000 says: Feb 16, 2010 2:54 PM

    Rush is irrelevant. The sooner we stop giving people like him microphones and cameras to sit in front of, the better.
    The 2003 comments were racial in nature, but they weren’t racist. Where Rush finds himself in trouble is that considering most people see him as a documented racist, people are going to assume thats what he was going for. Its the old boy who cried wolf scenario. If you’re a right wing, idiotic, pompous and intolerant a–hole 364 days a year, there’s not much hope for you being taken seriously that one time you are in the right.

  112. stanmak says: Feb 16, 2010 8:15 PM

    rush IS irrelevant, as a former commentator, and as a factor on the country. to say that he is hurting the country and has been for years IS A FREAKING JOKE. HE HAS A RADIO SHOW WHO GIVES A CRAP.

  113. bringbacktheflex says: Feb 17, 2010 1:21 AM

    Limbaugh was correct. And I really don’t like him or his politics. He’s an elitist.
    McNabb is a very good QB. But the media at the time really acted like he was better than he was. I think that there was some level of racial bias in that thinking. Seems like people really wanted him to be better than he was to fight the stigma of a black QB being less than a white QB.
    Look at some reverse discrimination. Marvin Lewis is Negro. Heads up one of the most out of control underperforming teams in the last 10 years. More arrests than any other team. But he still has a job, and is still lauded by the media. Why? Barry Switzer won a SB for Dallas, his team had some arrests, and he was run out of town by the media for not having control of his team.
    I still don’t know why Charlie Weis kept his job so long. They fired the Negro coach before him (I can’t remember his name) and he did much better than Weis. Clear discrimination in my opinion.

  114. bringbacktheflex says: Feb 17, 2010 1:24 AM

    It was Tyrone Willingham. Sorry, it just wouldn’t come to me. I looked it up though. Very good coach. He got a raw deal at ND.

  115. largetony68 says: Feb 17, 2010 8:56 AM

    If you call a player overrated, you’re an analyst. If you call a player overrated because of his color, you’re a racist. I can’t believe anyone is even arguing this. These 2 situations are not the same. BTW, I was against Limbaugh being hired by ESPN and against him essentially being fired. All he did on ESPN was what he always does–what they hired him to do: state a bunch of idiotic opinions that he can’t back-up with a shred of fact. Limbaugh is a racist, PERIOD. Having said that, that doesn’t mean everything he says is racist in nature. But this was. And why are so many of you dragging the President into this? You morons are the ones who look to Limbaugh to tell you how to think (or “not think” would be more accurate.) Why are people so quick to point to Mc Nabb only making one Superbowl as evidence of him being overrated? How many did Dan Marino go to? 1! And his team got crushed. By the same token, Mark Rypien won a Superbowl. And won it big. Would anyone in their right mind take him over Mc Nabb? Or Trent Dilfer over Mc Nabb? Or Brad Johnson over Mc Nabb? Get over it, people. Mc Nabb got a worse team to the Superbowl than any of those other guys. Also, I find it offensive that somebody who has never been the victim of racism is quick to accuse somebody who has been the victim of racism of “playing the race card.” To that I can only say, if the race card didn’t exist, nobody could play it.

  116. largetony68 says: Feb 17, 2010 9:12 AM

    slipkid, you’re a racist S.O.B. and you can kiss my liberal black a**!

  117. Robj says: Feb 17, 2010 1:08 PM

    Donovan McNabb is 4th among active players in passing yards. He’s also 4th in passing TDs.
    He’s a 5-time pro-bowler.
    I haven’t heard ANY analyst claim Donovan to be the best QB in the league (which he most definitely is NOT).
    Rush Limbaugh needs to stick to being a partisan prescription-pill popping Democrat-basher. It’s what he does. A sports officianado he isn’t.

  118. Robj says: Feb 17, 2010 1:50 PM

    mrlefty says:
    February 16, 2010 7:04 AM
    “Anyone that depends on Rush for information or trust Rush for information is a part of the problem not the solution.”
    ——————————————-
    Absolutely.

  119. reformed says: Feb 18, 2010 2:29 PM

    Opie, you beon da pipe bro. What you gone do bout all yo mish mash??Delusional, maybe not. Cornfused, most certainly.

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