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Last word on Culpepper's 2004 season

lead2.jpgWe recently pointed out that Daunte Culpepper is one of the top unrestricted free agent quarterbacks of the 2010 class.

Our position arises from the fact that Culpepper was a high-end quarterback before having his knee blown out by a low hit at the end of a run in 2005, and that he hasn’t exactly been with elite franchises in the four seasons since returning.

Some of you have tried to undermine our position regarding Culpepper’s 110.9 passer rating in 2004 by pointing out that he had Randy Moss at his disposal, and that Culpepper has never done anything without Moss on the field.

But Moss had a hamstring injury in 2004, which caused him to miss three games after serving as a limping decoy in two of them.

In Moss’ first decoy game, against the Titans, Culpepper completed 24 of 30 passes and generated a passer rating of 103.2.

In the first game Moss missed entirely, Culpepper cranked out a 121.3 passer rating in a 31-28 Monday night loss at Indianapolis.

Six days later at Lambeau Field, Culpepper completed 27 of 44 passes for 363 yards and four scores in a 34-31 loss, good for a passer rating of 117.9.

So Culpepper had Moss at his disposal for only 11/16ths of one of the best single quarterback seasons in NFL history, and we can’t help but think that in the right set of circumstances the 33-year-old could engineer a compelling rebirth of his career, like his boyhood idol Randall Cunningham did in the late 1990s.

Then again, some of you would likely claim that Cunningham’s second act resulted directly from the presence of Randy Moss.

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97 Responses to “Last word on Culpepper's 2004 season”
  1. Run Ramone Run says: Feb 20, 2010 10:01 AM

    No, he was good then, Florio. But that’s the past. He’s been finished since the injury, as anyone with eyes can see.

  2. dowens11 says: Feb 20, 2010 10:02 AM

    I agree with both sides of the argument. It takes two to tango. It even takes two to make things go right and be out of sight, according to Rob Base and EZ Rock. When has Moss been good without an elite QB? Sure it helps having him, but when he was a Raider he might as well have been Hank Basket.

  3. Milhouse says: Feb 20, 2010 10:02 AM

    So…Culpepper is replacing Brady in New England?

  4. zilla1126 says: Feb 20, 2010 10:03 AM

    This was a cut and paste from Culpepper. No way Florio is looking anything up.
    I would like to believe that he has something left; but the fact is that other QBs that were on the roster with him in his last few stops have out-played him with the same supporting cast.
    I mean, where the hell do you see him as the starter?

  5. jamesz23 says: Feb 20, 2010 10:04 AM

    Culpepper is not a terrible QB by any means – I think he obviously would have to have really good players around him. But I don’t think the 49ers current QBs are any better than Daunte. He could help them.

  6. Colinito says: Feb 20, 2010 10:09 AM

    you are right on with this one Florio, I’ve been waiting for this too, thought it might happen last year

  7. virtualplague says: Feb 20, 2010 10:16 AM

    Culpepper sucks just get over it already Mike.
    Any QB could win in the right system, so that point was stupid.

  8. similis says: Feb 20, 2010 10:16 AM

    Are you serious??

  9. BornSlippy says: Feb 20, 2010 10:17 AM

    Florio obviously works for dantes agent.

  10. philwauke says: Feb 20, 2010 10:18 AM

    Culpeppers agent?

  11. elduderino13 says: Feb 20, 2010 10:18 AM

    Brian Griese had a 97.5 rating in 2004. He must be the second top-rated free agent quarterback.

  12. DailyNorseman says: Feb 20, 2010 10:19 AM

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=316
    That link tells you exactly how good Daunte Culpepper was in 2004 and why he, quite frankly, should have been the MVP of the league that year.
    Anyone that thinks that Randy Moss “made” Daunte Culpepper is a fool that knows very little about football.

  13. tomcous says: Feb 20, 2010 10:20 AM

    Why do you use the title of “LAST WORD” … never really the last word and you wouldn’t really want it to be.

  14. aec4 says: Feb 20, 2010 10:22 AM

    you can’t discount the decoy games… because Moss being on the field at all freed up WRs. But you make a good point on the 3 he missed totally.

  15. brasho says: Feb 20, 2010 10:22 AM

    Brad Johnson, Jeff George, Randall Cunningham, and Daunte Culpepper all had their best seasons (statistically) running the show for the Vikings… there is something to it.

  16. WhoDey_Man says: Feb 20, 2010 10:23 AM

    sweet god i hope you’re kidding. WORST QB EVER

  17. medic406 says: Feb 20, 2010 10:24 AM

    If Daunte Culpepper falls in the woods
    and Randy Moss isn’t there…
    Does anyone care?
    Florio, Keep on beating, but this dead horse is almost glue

  18. Pudge Heffelfinger says: Feb 20, 2010 10:25 AM

    I check his stats and some folks might be surprised that he actually fared pretty well with the Raiders. In 2007, he only played in 6 games, yet he threw for 1,300+ yards, and finished with a passer rating of 78.0.

  19. chet72 says: Feb 20, 2010 10:25 AM

    you go girl

  20. ahajha says: Feb 20, 2010 10:31 AM

    Slow day, huh

  21. Nathan says: Feb 20, 2010 10:33 AM

    Culpepper’s game was a big arm and a set of legs to take advantage of all the space that his arm opened up.
    He can’t run anymore and therefore he won’t be an effective quarterback.
    It’s pretty simple.

  22. brownsfn says: Feb 20, 2010 10:34 AM

    he sucks…face it…

  23. Hauschild says: Feb 20, 2010 10:36 AM

    Culpep’s done – get over it.

  24. DutchViking says: Feb 20, 2010 10:37 AM

    Do you remember 2005 before he got hurt. What a disaster. 7 games, 2-5 record, 6 TDs and 12 INTs and a rating of 72.0. This includes a 5 INT performance in Week 2 vs. Cincinnati in a 37-8 loss and a TD to INT ratio of 0:8 after the first 2 weeks of the season. Never mind the one of the key players in the Love Boat scandal, was such a terrible teammate he left the team and stayed in Florida the rest of the season after he got hurt, and than did us all a favor when he forced his way out of town the following offseason because he couldn’t handle the Love Boat scrutiny, and cost the Dolphins Drew Brees because they decided to go with Daunte instead.

  25. realitypolice says: Feb 20, 2010 10:43 AM

    And some of us pointed that 2004 was 6 years ago, and many players, including Culpepper, who had great seasons back before Iphones, are not great free-agent catches in 2010.
    Some of us also pointed out that the reason he has spent the last few seasons with teams that aren’t exactly elite is that teams that know what the hell they are doing want nothing to do with him.
    This is a pretty bizarre thing for you to take a stand on. The only reason I can think of is that by harkening back to his Viking days, you are hoping to generate lots of hits by sparking another Viking fan-Packer fan pissing contest.

  26. Jeff says: Feb 20, 2010 10:50 AM

    Daunte Culpepper’s publicist and agent would like to thank you for publishing this article.

  27. edgy1957 says: Feb 20, 2010 10:50 AM

    He was 16 of 19 for 169 against an Indy defense that had an overall passing rating of 89.2 (25th in the NFL) Green Bay was the 31st rated pass defense in the NFL. Indy was 23rd and Tennessee was 25th. Detroit was 22nd and the Giants were 24th. His passing rating in those 5 games was 98.9 while his passing rating in the others was 116.2. His complete % was worse (68.1 to 69.6), his average per reception was SIGNIFICANTLY worse (10.4 to 13.3), his TD % was -wait for it – SIGNIFICANTLY worse (5.42 to 7.85) and the only stat that was better was INT % (1.81 to 2.09). All of this does NOT help your stance.
    Randy Moss made his career and should gotten 3/4 of his bonus and salary for what he did for the guy and as for Randall’s rebirth – that would be Randy’s rookie season. When Moss is healthy AND happy, the only receiver that I’ve ever seen that was better was Jerry Rice.

  28. Brohamma says: Feb 20, 2010 10:51 AM

    I happened to have the Culpepper/Moss tandem that year in a Fantasy Football league at work. Since that time I’ve always felt that Culpepper has been a victim of landing on poor teams.
    I agree with you 100% that Culpepper could have a “rebirth” of his career in the proper situation… say Arizona.

  29. TPA Norseman says: Feb 20, 2010 10:54 AM

    Cunningham went to pot in 1999, even with Moss, & replaced by Jeff George. No, Moss was not the reason, it was Scott Linehan. After a nice 2000 season as a first year starter, DC tailed off badly until Linehan arrived as OC in 2002. DC became an elite quarterback in ’03/’04 with Linehan coaching him up. Vikings fans may remember whenever DC went to the sidelines, didn’t matter if it was after a TD or 3-and-out, first thing he’s do was put on the headset so Linehan could keep him focused. When Linehan left for Miami in ’05, DC proclaimed himself a “Jedi knight” in pre-season, then went out and turned the ball over 4 times in season opener vs. Tampa. By the time he blew out his knee he had racked up something like 11 INT vs. 4 TD – 5 picks alone vs. Cincy, along with his usual fumbles. Without Linehan around to keep his head screwed on straight DC turned into a terrible decision-maker on the field with a “pay-me-elite-QB-$$” ego off of it … too bad Linehan left Miami before Culpepper was traded there, would have liked to see what they could have done together if reunited …

  30. GoBrowns19 says: Feb 20, 2010 11:01 AM

    Six years ago I could drink a case of beer and half a fifth and still be awake…now I can’t even come close to that. Six years is a long time especially when 20’s turn into 30’s in that span.

  31. John Spagnola says: Feb 20, 2010 11:06 AM

    This coming from the guy who thinks Jeff George still has something left, and deserves a shot. Stuff like this doesnt help you gain that much needed credibility this place yearns for, Mike.

  32. Buck Stallion says: Feb 20, 2010 11:11 AM

    Mark Rypien had a good year once too.

  33. LongLostLion says: Feb 20, 2010 11:22 AM

    Speak of that which you know Florio.
    If nothing else, go look at the last few games he played for Detroit. Check out the Garcia-esque moonball he threw up (pun intended) to Calvin Johnson near the end of the season. His arm is shot, he’s slow, he can’t read defenses quickly, he’s not a good mentor for young QB’s…
    Done, finished, caput.

  34. JimmySmith says: Feb 20, 2010 11:26 AM

    Ya, Pullpecker and Moss were such a great combo that the Vikings went out to win the Superbowl that year, oh wait, the Vikings never won a Superbowl so that can’t be right.
    If Moss is so great, how many Superbowl rings does he have? If you guessed the same as the Vikings (zero), you’d be right.
    Bottom line, the NFL is filled with QB’s that had one single statisically great year only never to shine again. Pullpecker is in that category added to the fact it was the Vikings and they never won anything so basically it doesn’t matter.

  35. HarrisonHits says: Feb 20, 2010 11:27 AM

    Every time you post an article that has a title beginning with “Last word” there are usually at least a dozen more on whatever the subject is.

  36. dolfanSS says: Feb 20, 2010 11:27 AM

    I somewhat agree, many do not realize Moss put up better numbers (except for TD catches) the following year in Oakland when he was healthy. If Culpeppers success was all Moss why couldn’t Kerry Collins put up 39 TD’s and 4000 yards passing with him healthy? Loved watching him and hollywood handsome Tommy Brady struggle somewhat this year. Vontae Davis has 2 picks of Brady while covering Moss, pretty good for his young career.

  37. MNFANINAZ says: Feb 20, 2010 11:33 AM

    Even as a Viking fan with a Daunte Culpepper autographed helmet in his home office… I find this article to be quite peculiar at best.
    What purpose do we have talking about guys that had good season in 2004, in 2010?
    I don’t understand the premise or what is trying to be accomplished here.
    Bizarre… but not more Bizarre than a Brett Favre interception with an almost sure victory within our grasp. Effing idiot.

  38. Vaxman says: Feb 20, 2010 11:49 AM

    Interesting… I remember ol culpepper throwing 13 td’s to randy moss that year in spite of missing time.

  39. Tebow's a Douche says: Feb 20, 2010 12:02 PM

    One of the reasons Culpepper was so successful in 2004, was that 3rd and 5 or shorter was a gimme for him. He had the big arm, and could launch it to Moss at any time, but if they had 3rd and short, he’d run it. I know the Packers never figured this out under Mike Sherman, but it was clear to the fans.
    He was dangerous with his feet and his arm. Now, he’s not so dangerous with his feet. People just tee of on him, and test his accuracy. He needs to prove that he’s accurate enough to be strictly a pocket passer. If he can, maybe he could reclaim some of his glory. Then again, many players never recover from the mental blow of losing all of their knee ligaments from a single hit. Carson Palmer hasn’t, and it’s yet to be determined for Brady as well.

  40. lololnpnp says: Feb 20, 2010 12:03 PM

    I stand corrected, I thought your mock draft was the stupidest thing you have ever posted. This proves there is no such thing as a lawyer being a true NFL fan. Maybe had you actually, you know, watched football instead of preparing closing arguments all those years you wouldn’t make such nonsensical remarks.
    I am a Lions fan and got to see him first hand. There was even excitement going into this year with his possibilities. But then he got on the field and sucked balls. Hell, he was even replaced by friggin DREW STANTON during the season!!!
    I get it’s the offseason and you have to post shi* to get comments (which I wittingly oblige) but at least try to make it less obvious. Oh and maybe watch some football games.

  41. Burnum says: Feb 20, 2010 12:03 PM

    Ei, dann heirate ihn doch!
    Florio seems to live in the past. Why else would he bring up past numbers of Jake Plummer or Duante Culpepper?

  42. realitypolice says: Feb 20, 2010 12:15 PM

    Brohamma says:
    February 20, 2010 10:51 AM
    I happened to have the Culpepper/Moss tandem that year in a Fantasy Football league at work. Since that time I’ve always felt that Culpepper has been a victim of landing on poor teams.
    I agree with you 100% that Culpepper could have a “rebirth” of his career in the proper situation… say Arizona.
    ====================
    Culpepper is not a victim of landing on bad teams, he lands on bad teams because he is washed up, and only desperate, poorly managed teams would take a chance on him.
    I don’t care if he had set the single season record for completions, yards, and touchdowns, the Vikings had gone 16-0 and won the super bowl-
    IT WAS 6 FREAKIN YEARS AGO!!!!!

  43. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Feb 20, 2010 12:28 PM

    I think Norseman’s on the right track.. But I think it was a combination of everything. Linehan, Culpepper, Moss (even if it was just the threat of Moss). They spread the ball around pretty evenly (four guys with more than 600 yards receiving). Moss was the go-to guy for scoring.
    Culpepper played very well that season. He shocked me with his play. I didn’t think he’d ever put up numbers like that, much less with an injured Randy Moss. But it’s ancient history. Unless he ends up on a team like the Cardinals, I don’t see Culpepper doing much of anything for the rest of his career. Seems like the only time he’s ever acted like he could read defenses was when he was with Linehan.

  44. slipkid says: Feb 20, 2010 12:28 PM

    pullpecker is under .500 WITH MOSS (and generally talented offenses in minnehaha).
    he is way under .500 WITHOUT MOSS (in minnehaha and elsewhere).
    he is like 5-27 without randy. hell both harrington and campbell have outplayed him in that timespan. harington outplayed pullpecker side by side in miami.
    the vikes actually had other good receivers, a good OL, good backs, good TEs… chauncey pullpecker held them back.
    not accurate.
    cant/doesnt read defenses. bad decision making.
    small handed and fumbles, hence the name fumblepepper.
    used to have some speed/running ability. not now.
    teams have been cheating up on him the last few years. his arm is shot and everyone knows it, but the usual suspects, including flawrio, keep acting as his agent.
    this guy should have been a TE anyway.
    NEXT MEDIA ENFORCED PEE CEE CANDIDATE TO PLAY QB (AND FAIL)?

  45. SirSuperSouthern says: Feb 20, 2010 12:39 PM

    Fine… Culpepper is the best available free agent QB; which says all anyone really needs to know about the quality of available QBs.
    Shame, means bad teams are going to reach on guys like Jimmy Clausen and Sam Bradford instead of strengthening their trenches like they should be. The Redskins immediately come to mind but it wouldn’t shock me if the Rams took a QB at #1. They shouldn’t, but if Culpepper is honestly the best available QB the times call for drastic measures…

  46. brett says: Feb 20, 2010 12:55 PM

    florio i loved daunte at one point to, i actually think he was a solid qb from 2000-04, but after moss left it was over!! i member that preseason well of 05 he looked sharp as a tac, then regualr season no more vanilla defenses, he looked lost, look up his stats prior to blown out his knee in like week 8 or so, he was terrible and has been ever since

  47. TFBuckFutter says: Feb 20, 2010 12:55 PM

    Stop blaming the knee injury! He was TERRIBLE in 2005 BEFORE his knee injury and has been equally terrible since.
    He went 2-5 with a QB rating of 72.0, 6 TDs and 12 INTs BEFORE getting injured. Brad Johnson, subsequently, went 7-2 with a QB rating of 88.9 WITH THE SAME EXACT TEAM.
    Culpepper had one good season, 2 mediocre ones, one good season, one great season and then lost it. Why is it so hard to believe that could happen when he was so inconsistent? Just because he had ONE really great year?
    Scott Mitchell had a really good year once too. Maybe you should push for someone to sign him too.

  48. edgy1957 says: Feb 20, 2010 12:55 PM

    # DailyNorseman says:
    Anyone that thinks that Randy Moss “made” Daunte Culpepper is a fool that knows very little about football.
    ************************
    Count me as one of those fools. The arguments made by that blogger are so laughable and more important, FACTUALLY INCORRECT: “Daunte Culpepper took the field 18 times in 2004, and recorded over 300 yards in twelve of those games.” I hate to say it but he took the field 18 times and only recorded 300+ in 7 games and only one of those came with Randy Moss out of the lineup.
    Another thing, a BAD Randy Moss draws more defenders than a healthy Nate Burleson and Marcus Robinson. Does anyone honestly believe that their drop in production after Moss left was some coincidence and Culpepper didn’t do that well, either. He had one 300 yard game in 7 starts and saw drops in ALL categories sans Moss.
    Oh and the 5100 yard argument is horse manure because 400+ yards rushing don’t mean diddly. Hell, if 400+ yards are that big of a deal then would anyone be stupid enough to believe that Daunte’s 2004 season was better than Brady’s 2007? PUHLEEZE. Hell, by the time that Randall had his big season, he wasn’t running the ball like he was earlier in his career.

  49. RagnarHater24 says: Feb 20, 2010 12:57 PM

    Can’t read a defense. Can’t run anymore. Let’s not forget all the fumbles. His hands are too small for his size.

  50. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Feb 20, 2010 1:01 PM

    Vaxman says:
    February 20, 2010 11:49 AM
    Interesting… I remember ol culpepper throwing 13 td’s to randy moss that year in spite of missing time.
    ————————————-
    Sure, but as a percentage, Moss’ TD catches were a smaller portion of the whole than in other years.
    2001:
    Moss – 10 TDs
    Culpepper – 14 passing TDs
    2002:
    Moss – 7 TDs
    Culpepper – 18 passing TDs
    2003:
    Moss – 17 TDs
    Culpepper – 25 passing TDs
    2004:
    Moss – 13 TDs
    Culpepper – 39 passing TDs
    Culpepper didn’t make every pass for the Vikings in every year, but I’m not going so far as to tie together how many of Moss’ TDs were Culpepper passes.
    However, the point remains. Although Moss caught 13 TD passes in 2004, Culpepper still tossed 26 TDs to guys not named Randy Moss. And Moss accounted for a smaller percentage of scoring in 2004 than most (if not all) other years in Minnesota. And by receptions and yardage his numbers were way down.
    I don’t think there’s any question that Moss’ presence on the field in 13 games still affected how defenses covered Burleson, Robinson, Wiggins, etc. But I don’t think that fully accounts for Culpepper putting up the career numbers he posted that year. If Peyton Manning doesn’t have a career year that season, Culpepper wins MVP.

  51. CutlerIsACryBaby says: Feb 20, 2010 1:23 PM

    Who cares?

  52. TFBuckFutter says: Feb 20, 2010 1:31 PM

    “Vaxman says:
    February 20, 2010 11:49 AM
    Interesting… I remember ol culpepper throwing 13 td’s to randy moss that year in spite of missing time.”
    And the team only going 8-8.
    Including playoffs, 9-9.
    Which is interesting because the 4 QBs who posted better seasons than he did in the QB rating department went 13-5, 18-1, 16-3 and 17-2
    And the guy next guy on the list, Milt Plum, went 8-3-1. Hey, maybe if Daunte sticks around we’ll get to see him post a QB rating of 18.7 someday too.

  53. Peoples Champ says: Feb 20, 2010 1:32 PM

    “Interesting… I remember ol culpepper throwing 13 td’s to randy moss that year in spite of missing time.”
    True. But what about the other 26 tds that he threw to other people?

  54. Postman says: Feb 20, 2010 1:34 PM

    I’m gonna go ahead & guess that we wouldn’t have an article about a washed-up QB’s 2004 season (6 years ago) if the owner of this blog wasn’t a life-long Vikings fan.

  55. DailyNorseman says: Feb 20, 2010 1:46 PM

    JimmySmith says: blah blah blah like he usually does
    Hey, Jimmy. . .want to discuss Moss’ last trip to Lambeau as a Viking?
    “Blitz coming, picked up by the Vikings. . .Culpepper deep right, Moss wide open! TOUCHDOWN!! HE BURNED AL HARRIS!! TOUCHDOWN!!”
    Your team sucks. Thanks for playing.

  56. drumbug71 says: Feb 20, 2010 1:54 PM

    …we’re really talking about a QB’s numbers from 6 years ago?
    In that case, Ben Roethlisberger is the best quarterback ever, because he won 14 straight games as a rookie. He’s so good he doesn’t need a helmet when he rides a motorcycle!
    Oh wait. Time does change things.

  57. drumbug71 says: Feb 20, 2010 1:58 PM

    Hey, did you guys know that the Browns won an NFL Championship in 1944? Guess that makes them contenders this year!

  58. WildBirdOffense says: Feb 20, 2010 1:58 PM

    Not just 2004, Randy and Carter MADE Daunte’s career. He was a “great” QB when they were around — ironically, when they weren’t, he was horrible. He STILL is horrible. He’s not a starting QB in the NFL, never was, just benefitted from a great receiving corps.
    You want an example of a QB that USE to be great and made a name for himself BY himself? Look no further then Donovan McNabb. Now THATS a QB that has fallen from grace drastically.

  59. Display Name says: Feb 20, 2010 2:03 PM

    Fumblepepper is done. He’s worthless in the NFL. Stop blowing the man just because he’s emailed you in the past.
    Yes Fumblepepper had a good year in 2004 stat wise. He chocked in the Divisional round of the playoffs vs. the Eagles though so his 2004 season was a failure.
    Fumblepepper’s career passer rating is 87.8. His fumble rating is off the chartes though.
    Worthless in the NFL, time to retire Fumblepepper.

  60. Dennis says: Feb 20, 2010 2:08 PM

    Guys…relax. Maybe Culpepper really doesn’t have it anymore. But if he has anything close to what he had in 2004, he’s by far the best free agent quarterback available. If he has a 10% chance of becoming a QB in the top 1/3 of the league, isn’t that worth trying to sign that guy? I mean, if you have a top QB, probably not. If you have nothing at QB, or a certifiable bust, wouldn’t you take 1.5% of your total salary expenditures for a 10% chance at a top tier QB?
    Most people didn’t think Kurt Warner still had anything when he left New York…but he was certainly worth giving a shot to see if he could get his mojo back.

  61. DocBG says: Feb 20, 2010 2:15 PM

    # brasho says: February 20, 2010 10:22 AM
    Brad Johnson, Jeff George, Randall Cunningham, and Daunte Culpepper all had their best seasons (statistically) running the show for the Vikings… there is something to it.
    ——————————————————
    You’re forgetting Favre on that list.

  62. twindaddy says: Feb 20, 2010 2:20 PM

    Well, if Culpepper is so great without Moss, as you suggest, why has he sucked since 2004? You say he’s good without talent around him, then say he’s not been so good since because he doesn’t have talent around him. You can’t have it both ways.
    Culpepper is a mediocre QB. In 2005, he sucked before he got his knee blown out. He threw 5 picks against the Bengals in week 2 of that year.
    So again I say: You hanging all over this guys nuts because he corresponded with you exclusively a couple years ago is very lame.
    The longer you’ve been running this site, the less objective you’ve become. Perhaps you should step aside and let Rosenthal run the show.

  63. Mike Daly says: Feb 20, 2010 2:21 PM

    Culpepper’s 2004 season was uneven. He did have superb numbers but was only 9-9 (regular season and playoffs) and Culpepper has never been the same without Randy Moss. Even so, I think he could bounce back in the right circumstances – right now I’d trust him with the Vikings more than I would Brett Favre.

  64. TSE says: Feb 20, 2010 2:55 PM

    Please PFT, no more Cpep love. This guy is one GOD-AWFUL football player. He doesn’t deserve to have a chance to play for anybody.
    He is NOT a professional level football player.

  65. StaffordInfection says: Feb 20, 2010 3:00 PM

    I can’t seem to tell if this article was supposed to be serious?
    Did you watch any Lions games last year where he appeared in?
    Yes even though it was the Lions (insert joke here), even a casual fan could see he was their third best QB on the team.
    I’d rather have Scott Mitchell back

  66. shaggeez says: Feb 20, 2010 3:04 PM

    so because he put up a couple good seasons 6 or more years ago nfl teams should be drooling over him?
    that should make ladainian a really amazing pickup then as well at runningback, given that he is only 2 years removed from having a good season.

  67. screaming sheep says: Feb 20, 2010 3:13 PM

    Good lord get over it Florio. And now it was a low hit?
    If this is your last word on donepepper, I see more Jeff George posts coming.

  68. Drat says: Feb 20, 2010 4:03 PM

    This is just all about Florio’s own sports fascinations and heart-throbs. Which is fine. That’s why we’re all fans.
    But his pushing pushing pushing of Culpepper is fatiguing. You could make the same arguments about Bulger of the Rams. But of course, he won’t. Same deal — Pro-Bowl QB fallen from graces.
    Florio loves his Vikings; he has a love-hate relationship with his Steelers. Just in case a viewer or two didn’t know that.

  69. Drat says: Feb 20, 2010 4:12 PM

    “Last word” on Culpepper is equivalent to Florio saying he may not eat or breathe again.
    Another corollary of Florio’s well documented love-fest with the Vikings is that he HATES anything associated with the Falcons, Rams, and now, presumably, the Saints (although in his ripe old age, maybe he has matured.) Those three teams put a grout pasting on his beautiful Vikings the three years they were oh-so-close to winning it all. The older glory years of the Vikes were indeed glorious — oops, they never won the superbowl, just visited. But PFT regulars will remember how the Falcons and the Rams are routinely skewered or ignored. Poor Martz beat the pants off Florio’s glorious Vikings in a spectacular game and a grand example of superior coaching, and we will always be subject to anti-Martz rhetoric for vengeance. It irritates me because Florio will never give credit to some really great teams, coaches and players solely because they left him sad and lonely in his room with the TV muted.

  70. dirtyTHIRTY says: Feb 20, 2010 4:39 PM

    Florio…it was 2004!!! 6 years ago! He’s 33 and clearly on the decline now.

  71. Drat says: Feb 20, 2010 4:41 PM

    The more i waste time looking at this story the more I realize that all of Florio’s hatreds, animosities, and dervishes generate from the same personality that is ‘Culpepper Giddy,’ from a lovefest with a QB who had some good years and now doesn’t anymore. Common story.
    I can see the glory that Culpepper was in his prime in 04, and I can see the mind-bending glory of Martz kicking the Vikings asses in 99 as one of the greatest coaching games in history. That first-play TD pass by Martz was planned days in advance. How do you not admire that? Martz schooled the Vikes. So when you see Florio flame off on Martz or someone, be advised. He loves his lovers, and he hates the great talent that flogs his lovers.
    Good for him.
    I’d take Bulger over Culpepper any day. Same story of old star gone awry, but different end result. Bulger is still functional, Culpepper not. Every single team in the league would take Bulger over Culp. Every single one. I’m not saying Bulger has got mileage in his tank. What I’m saying is that Florio doesn’t either, when it comes to understanding football as a game, instead of as a legal proceeding. I love Florio because he has lots of inside contacts, and can pass on information. But his understanding of football the game is startlingly slim.

  72. purpleguy says: Feb 20, 2010 4:44 PM

    Culpepper relied on his legs and those are now gone. He was never great at reading defenses, and his work ethic was always in question with the Vikes. Maybe experience and age have helped the reading defenses part, but he still lacks the mobility that made him above average. They guy’s now a great backup and probably nothing more.

  73. PerryMason says: Feb 20, 2010 4:47 PM

    realitypolice says: February 20, 2010 10:43 AM
    you are hoping to generate lots of hits by sparking another Viking fan-Packer fan pissing contest.
    _________________
    I’m up for that.

  74. rcunningham says: Feb 20, 2010 4:48 PM

    ITP: Uninformed idiots.
    I love how you all act like Culpepper was never good outside of 04…he went to Pro Bowl in 03 and 00.
    The people on PFT literally make me cringe. You people are all cynical retards with no life. Seriously, go outside, take that stick out of your ass, and stop crying.
    That’s all I see in every PFT article comments. “Wahh wahh wahh”.

  75. The Upsetter says: Feb 20, 2010 4:55 PM

    So I guess Culpepper will go down in history as the Last Good QB the Vikings ever developed. Since then zip, nada, nothing. No, they had to coax their rivals’ hall of fame QB out of retirement. A result of their failed QB projects.
    I agree with Florio, when Culpepper was on, he was pretty damn good.
    Hey, if Favre retires maybe The Vikings should give Culpepper a call, or go back to Tarvares Jackson, or Rosenfels, or draft a QB……
    What direction is Favre leaning today? hmmm

  76. dolfanSS says: Feb 20, 2010 5:12 PM

    Brad Johnson please! Do some homework, the Vikings beat nothing but crappy teams with Johnson at QB when Daunte went down. The beat one good team, the Giants I think, and they had like 2 pick 6’s and a punt return. Daunte could have done what Johnson did with that soft schedule.

  77. JimmySmith says: Feb 20, 2010 5:31 PM

    DailyNorseman says: want to discuss Moss’ last trip to Lambeau as a Viking?
    =================================
    Sure, let’s throw in Favre’s 4 Int’s and 55 QB rating which had a lot to do with the loss and contributed toward the day that TT traded him out of town. I was happy for that.
    The point is the Vikings turned around and lost in the playoffs the very next week. In case you didn’t notice, they do that a lot, lose in the playoffs. That’s why your trophy case is completely empty, much like your head.

  78. The Genius says: Feb 20, 2010 5:51 PM

    Culpepper is his own agent. And when he didn’t have a team to play for and temporarily retired, he gave his written statement to Profootballtalk.com for release.
    Florio is just returning the favor with this article.

  79. mofo says: Feb 20, 2010 6:03 PM

    “we can’t help but think that in the right set of circumstances the 33-year-old could engineer a compelling rebirth of his career”
    Yeah, imagine if he could be magically reunited with his Offensive Coordinator from that record-setting 2004 season, and further imagine he have a receiver like say Calvin Johnson to throw to. Just imagine what he might still be capable of.
    I guess we’ll never know.

  80. DailyNorseman says: Feb 20, 2010 6:37 PM

    “Sure, let’s throw in Favre’s 4 Int’s and 55 QB rating which had a lot to do with the loss and contributed toward the day that TT traded him out of town. I was happy for that.”
    ————
    Maybe if your “awesome” defense could cover a receiver that only had one healthy leg. . .
    Or maybe if your “wonderful” coaching staff hadn’t looked completely past the Vikings that day. . .
    Ah, well. . .if that led to your team getting rid of the only decent thing they had going for it for about two decades, then that makes it even more awesome.
    Packer fans are going to love the 2 or 3 decades of mediocrity they have in store for them. That’s what they got the last time they dumped a Hall of Fame quarterback. If Pele Rodgers’ overtime “performance” against the Cardinals is any indicator, they’ve got 2 or 3 more decades of irrelevance headed right at them.

  81. edgy1957 says: Feb 20, 2010 7:01 PM

    To the “but he threw 26 other” guys: When Moss was out of the lineup, Culpepper threw 9 TD passes but 4 of them came in a game against the 31st worst pass defense in the league, GB and he threw 11 in 3 games, including the playoffs, against the Packers. Those games sans Moss were against the worst of the NFL in pass defense (22, 23, 24, 25 and 31). BTW, in 2003, 5 of Randy’s 17 TDs came from Gus Frerotte, which means he accounted for 12 of Culpepper’s 25 TDs. In 2002, 7 of Culpepper’s TD came from Moss. In 2001, 6 of his 14 TDs were caught by Moss and in his only other big season, he caught 15 of his 33 TDs. When Randy was at the top of his came, so was Culpepper and when Culpepper was out of the line up, his replacements continued to go to Moss with EQUAL success – actually BETTER.

  82. JimmySmith says: Feb 20, 2010 7:01 PM

    I’d rather have Rodgers, the only QB to start his first two seasons with 4,000 yards passing just entering his prime than a QB who has choked for 7 straight years and about to turn 41. That’s a no brainer, it was time to push Favre out of town, he won’t take care of the football (as you most recently found out) and the Packers got sick of getting into the playoffs just to see one player throw it away in OT (twice) or perform so poorly that the team could not win (something you Vikings fans know more about).
    As for your other idiot comments, if anyone can recognize 2 to 3 decades of mediocrity, its a Viking fan.

  83. edgy1957 says: Feb 20, 2010 7:01 PM

    To the “but he threw 26 other” guys: When Moss was out of the lineup, Culpepper threw 9 TD passes but 4 of them came in a game against the 31st worst pass defense in the league, GB and he threw 11 in 3 games, including the playoffs, against the Packers. Those games sans Moss were against the worst of the NFL in pass defense (22, 23, 24, 25 and 31). BTW, in 2003, 5 of Randy’s 17 TDs came from Gus Frerotte, which means he accounted for 12 of Culpepper’s 25 TDs. In 2002, 7 of Culpepper’s TD came from Moss. In 2001, 6 of his 14 TDs were caught by Moss and in his only other big season, he caught 15 of his 33 TDs. When Randy was at the top of his game, so was Culpepper and when Culpepper was out of the line up, his replacements continued to go to Moss with EQUAL success – actually BETTER.

  84. realitypolice says: Feb 20, 2010 7:11 PM

    I love how you all act like Culpepper was never good outside of 04…he went to Pro Bowl in 03 and 00.
    The people on PFT literally make me cringe. You people are all cynical retards with no life. Seriously, go outside, take that stick out of your ass, and stop crying.
    That’s all I see in every PFT article comments. “Wahh wahh wahh”.
    ================
    Most of the critical postings have been about how his best year, 2004, was 6 years ago. How does pointing out that he went to the Pro Bowl even more years ago than that disprove that point?
    I get so sick of postings that do nothing but say what losers the posters are. Two things: what does that make you? You aren’t exactly living like a rock star yourself, sitting in your mother’s basement stewing about all the retards on PFT. And if you hate us all so much, go away, douchebag.

  85. rcunningham says: Feb 20, 2010 7:12 PM

    “# JimmySmith says: February 20, 2010 5:31 PM
    DailyNorseman says: want to discuss Moss’ last trip to Lambeau as a Viking?
    =================================
    Sure, let’s throw in Favre’s 4 Int’s and 55 QB rating which had a lot to do with the loss and contributed toward the day that TT traded him out of town. I was happy for that.
    The point is the Vikings turned around and lost in the playoffs the very next week. In case you didn’t notice, they do that a lot, lose in the playoffs. That’s why your trophy case is completely empty, much like your head.”
    Why do you comment on every single Viking article stating they’ve never won a Super Bowl/had Love Boat/Wizzinator? Do you think we forget or something? Or are you just that pathetic of a troll that you have nothing beyond that?
    I loved how you disappeared when the Vikings whupped your ass…twice.

  86. realitypolice says: Feb 20, 2010 7:34 PM

    Florio the evil genius does it again. An irrelevant post about a washed up player- and we have 10 hours of comments flying with no end in sight.
    You guys are so easy. But don’t stop on account of me. I’m enjoying the hell out of it. And…um….have 3 posts up myself. Guilty!

  87. Adam-Chris Scheftersen says: Feb 20, 2010 8:14 PM

    DailyNorseman says:
    February 20, 2010 6:37 PM
    Packer fans are going to love the 2 or 3 decades of mediocrity they have in store for them. That’s what they got the last time they dumped a Hall of Fame quarterback. If Pele Rodgers’ overtime “performance” against the Cardinals is any indicator, they’ve got 2 or 3 more decades of irrelevance headed right at them.
    ——————————
    Well, if putting up a career QB rating higher than anyone else (with a qualifying 1,500 passes) in NFL history is any indication of “mediocrity” or “irrelevance” you can sign me up.
    Any effort to blame that loss on Rodgers is futile. 423 yards passing, 4 passing TDs, 1 INT and 1 rushing TD. I’m sure their loss had nothing to do with the defense giving up 51 points. That couldn’t have been the case.
    Dufus.

  88. purple hay-seuss says: Feb 20, 2010 8:19 PM

    # WhoDey_Man says: February 20, 2010 10:23 AM
    sweet god i hope you’re kidding. WORST QB EVER
    Sweet Jesus, Florio’s NOT. I love how utter morons emerge from the woodwork like this. Pep is one of Minny’s BEST QBs on a per-season basis and on a per-game basis. I say the knee ended his greatest years; he may well have a rebirth here at the end of his career but I can’t see the team that would let him start.
    One Super Bowl win and this Saints fan thinks he knows everything. Worst QB ever? I have to say Bobby Hebert…….

  89. purple hay-seuss says: Feb 20, 2010 8:34 PM

    Way to go, DailyNorseman. Jimmy must be some kind of idiot to keep coming back here at every turn and flap his anus when he gets it kicked every time.
    You’re right, of course. Jimmy has no other points to make. He turned your Moss’ destruction of GB into blaming Favre for it.
    I won’t repeat any of it. He doesn’t merit any more attention.
    Jimmy, put your pants back on. And wash your hands.

  90. purple hay-seuss says: Feb 20, 2010 8:37 PM

    Sorry rcunningham, I gave Norseman credit for your hits. Please don’t take your foot off Jimmy’s neck.

  91. heres2life says: Feb 20, 2010 10:33 PM

    Florio, please please please admit your bias for Culpepper. its getting pathetic.

  92. heres2life says: Feb 20, 2010 10:37 PM

    Also, look at how Daunte did the year after Moss left. Once teams realized they didn’t have to even game plan for moss, Daunte turned into a below average passer. And you can point to the games he won when Moss was injured, but thats exactly the hope vikings fans were riding the year after it happened. look how that turned out. Point is, in the same year, with equal circumstances, a 37 or 38 year old Brad Johnson did better than Daunte Culpepper.

  93. Chickenfoot says: Feb 21, 2010 8:12 AM

    JimmySmith says:
    February 20, 2010 11:26 AM
    Ya, Pullpecker and Moss were such a great combo that the Vikings went out to win the Superbowl that year, oh wait, the Vikings never won a Superbowl so that can’t be right.
    If Moss is so great, how many Superbowl rings does he have? If you guessed the same as the Vikings (zero), you’d be right.
    Bottom line, the NFL is filled with QB’s that had one single statisically great year only never to shine again. Pullpecker is in that category added to the fact it was the Vikings and they never won anything so basically it doesn’t matter.
    ===============================
    Yet you asshole packer fans have crowned Rodgers the next great thing at QB after only 2 years?
    Ive seen comments that the pack is set at QB for the next 10 years……..
    You have absolutely no clue if they are or not.
    Just another typical Packer fan double standard.
    I just love how the Vikings are irrelevant because they haven’t won a SB, yet its going on 14 years since the Pack have won one.
    Youd think that they just won it this year the way you idiots boast and brag.
    Jimmy, you are a skid mark on the underwear of life.

  94. ohgoodie says: Feb 21, 2010 11:41 AM

    It’s funny, Culpepper had a better statistical year in 04′ than Rodgers had in 09′ (better passer rating, more touchdowns) and WON a playoff game on the road. Yet, all packer fans say “Pulpecker” sucked.
    Don’t crown Rodgers just yet. He had the ball in his hand when they lost that playoff game and threw a ridiculous INT to open the game that forced them to play catch up all game.
    Rodgers had as much/more to do with the Pack loss as Favre did with the Vikes. Only the Vikes played a far superior team on the road.

  95. ToledoLions says: Feb 21, 2010 7:56 PM

    @ Tebow’s a Douche,
    I love your name! That is all.

  96. zllabnkcoc says: Feb 22, 2010 2:06 AM

    I seem to remember some pretty comdeic plays during his time with the dolphins, like passes slipping out and landing behind him. It’s hard to be sure about anything in the NFL, but he’s done.

  97. dark64 says: Feb 22, 2010 3:21 PM

    I’m a Vikings fan. I watched every snap of that 2004 season, and I can promise all of you that it was legit. It was one of the best years a QB has ever had in the NFL, but it is largely forgotten because it happened to be the same year that Peyton Manning threw for 49 TDs. If not for Peyton, Daunte would have been the MVP.
    That being said, Daunte is a shell of his former self. He always ran a little hot and cold from year to year, but I’m afraid that the water can only get to tepid now. I don’t know how great Daunte could have ultimately been, and I’ll never know thanks to Chris Gamble. Now he’s no more than a Chris Redmond-type journeyman backup.

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