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Tebow is finally changing his mechanics

tim-tebow-ap.jpgAs Florida coach Urban Meyer takes his much-hyped leave of absence, we hope that Meyer spends some of his down time reflecting on his biggest failure.

Tim Tebow.

After the Gators won two national championships in three seasons with Tebow at quarterback, Meyer owed a huge debt to Tebow.  And Meyer should have spent all of 2009 attempting to repay it.

He didn’t.

So Tebow left Gainseville with a release slower than Byron Leftwich in a vat of molasses, and overall football mechanics far uglier than Vince Young’s Uncle Rico sidearm release.

It’s therefore no surprise that Tebow is in the process of changing his throwing motion, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.  What’s surprising is that few are calling out Meyer for not doing anything and everything he could in 2009 to help make Tebow into a more marketable NFL quarterback.

Since Tebow isn’t injured, he’s using the belated effort to become a pro-style quarterback as an excuse not to throw at the Scouting Combine.  The obvious goal for Tebow is to avoid doing more damage to his draft stock — the obvious response in light of his Senior Bowl-week performance is whether it’s possible for any further damage to be done.

Though Tebow seems to be trying hard not to point a finger at Meyer for the quarterback’s current predicament, this quote tells us everything we need to know:  “I’ve never been asked to shorten or quicken my release
and not have a loop in it.”

As the usually-sunny Joe Theismann said three weeks ago, the situation shows that Meyer and his staff have “no clue” as to the process for preparing a quarterback for the NFL.  And while some of the Florida fans in the crowd might respond by saying that Urban Meyer’s only duty is to prepare players to play college football, look for Nick Saban and every other coach in the SEC to take a DVD of Tebow’s throwing motion into the homes of every high-end quarterback recruit for as long as Meyer remains the Florida coach.  They’ll all be making the case to the kid and his family that, if he hopes to play in the NFL, he’d better not go to Gainseville.

If you don’t think that’ll eventually impact the performance of Meyer’s team, then you simply don’t understand how college football actually works.

Meanwhile, Tebow will be left to his own devices to get an education into how pro football actually works.  During his four years with Meyer, Tebow apparently learned absolutely nothing.

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  1. ninerblitz says: Feb 22, 2010 9:19 AM

    I think mechanics is overblown. Aaron Rodgers had to make changes to his mechanics, while Phillip Rivers didn’t. His biggest problems is Meyers offense doesn’t translate well to the NFL. If Tebow can sit, he has a change, but in the NFL he won’t win with his legs, he’ll need his brain and his arm.

  2. bakaduin says: Feb 22, 2010 9:19 AM

    What a silly article. Urban Meyers job is to win National Championships. Changing a quarterbacks mechanics after 3 years would be pretty counterproductive to that goal. Urban Meyer could put every player he has into the NFL and if he didn’t win championships he’d be fired. Ron Zook put plenty into the NFL with his more pro style offense and what did that get him? In the end UF came one win short of another National Championship but that loss was to the hands of a hell of an Alabama team.

  3. Hap says: Feb 22, 2010 9:24 AM

    Q: Do any QB’s with bad mechanics come to mind that were winners in the NFL ? I’d lok between his ears before I discounted the guy.
    He’s not a Round 1 gamble but he’s not post-draft aquisition guy either.

  4. Florio-is-a-tool says: Feb 22, 2010 9:25 AM

    Let’s just hope he doesn’t change his intangibles – you know those things the press loves to write about.
    And Mike it might help to remember Meyer’s job at Florida wasn’t to develop that angel from heaven into an NFL QB – it was to win football games. Meyer’s pretty good at his job.

  5. LiveNBreatheFootball says: Feb 22, 2010 9:28 AM

    Urban Meyer’s duty is to the school. It is Tim Tebow’s job to be prepare himself for the NFL. Just because no one asked him to do anything different didn’t mean he couldn’t do it himself. He chose not to. No team should draft a guy who waits to be told what to do, rather than recognizing what needs to be done himself.

  6. MrLBCrazy13 says: Feb 22, 2010 9:28 AM

    I’m no Urban Meyer fan by any stretch, but I am sick of hearing all of this garbage (especially from the super bitter Joey T) about how they didn’t prepare Tebow to be an NFL QB or have any clue how to do so.
    Meyer’s job as the Florida Head Coach is to WIN FOOTBALL GAMES…and like the guy or not, he’s done a lot of that. His job is to put his players in the best position to WIN GAMES for his team…and again, he’s done that frequently.
    It’s a very simple concept that is being overlooked in all of this Tebow pre-draft hoopla…yes, I said hoopla.

  7. Big Stretch says: Feb 22, 2010 9:30 AM

    Florio are you serious with this?
    Urban Meyer should be called out for not getting Tebow ready? How about it’s not his job to get college players ready for the NFL, it’s his job to win national championships for UF. A job which he does pretty well at. So should every other college coach that doesn’t run a pro style offense be called out as well? If you think that the fact that Tebow wasn’t prepared for the NFL is going to hurt UFs ability to recruit good players I say to you did the fact that — Danny Wuerfell, Rex Grossman, Doug Johnson, Jesse Palmer, Chris Leak…… stop Teblow for going to UF and winning championships.
    When you write crap like this it just reminded people of the fact that you are not a professional sports writer, in fact this story just makes you look like an idiot.

  8. downwithdansnyder says: Feb 22, 2010 9:32 AM

    They didn’t win TWO championships with Tebow at quarterback. Chris Leak was the starting QB Tebow’s Frosh year and Tebow was a role player than almost exclusively ran the ball.

  9. MakingitRain says: Feb 22, 2010 9:32 AM

    He would have been better served coming out as a junior. Then he could have already had a year to work on it. He did not improve his draft stock any by staying another year. Whatever Tim lacks in mechanics he make up in resolve and I wouldn’t bet against him eventually making it big in the NFL.

  10. ch19079 says: Feb 22, 2010 9:33 AM

    If they can teach mechanics in college, but chose not to, then they can teach mechanics at the NFL level. And believe me, they will chose to…
    All these analysts who say hes not a NFL QB because of his mechanics, make it sound as if its to late to change now.
    If it can be taught in college, it can be taught in the NFL. It may delay him starting in the NFL for a year or so, but thats probubly a good thing too.

  11. BIG BLUE in tx says: Feb 22, 2010 9:41 AM

    I agree that Meyer’s job is to win college football games, but he’ll have a harder time recruiting big name QB’s if he can’t prepare them for the pros.

  12. Duck Fallas says: Feb 22, 2010 9:41 AM

    I don’t see any of the QB’s coming out of this class having long and productive careers. Maybe a 3,000 yard season here or there (None by Tebow), a couple 3:2 TD to INT ratios, but none of them is going to light up the NFL or carry a team for a decade.

  13. reddog9 says: Feb 22, 2010 9:44 AM

    Meyer is just another slimeball college coach taking advantage of your kids for his own benefit. It is pathetic that Meyer didn’t teach Tebow better mechanics! College players should be paid and given the freedom to leave if their pathetic, money hungry, vagabond coaches leave…..the entire college system needs to be reworked!

  14. dailyminefield says: Feb 22, 2010 9:44 AM

    Some of this has happened to some degree.
    1. Alex Smith has been mediocre at best when he’s not been injured
    2. Meyer lost Morgan Newton to Kentucky. I’m a KY fan and I thought the kid had lost his mind.
    If I want to play QB in NFL I don’t got to Urban Meyer, but the guy blows everyone away in college football.

  15. gohorse75 says: Feb 22, 2010 9:45 AM

    Yeah, look at all those great college quarterbacks Saban has developed into NFL superstars. Does he have a DVD of that too?

  16. Reasonable says: Feb 22, 2010 9:49 AM

    I don’t watch College Football, but I’m rootin for this kid. Seems like a good person.

  17. Crowder911 says: Feb 22, 2010 9:49 AM

    talking about mechanics…
    doesnt Philips Rivers have the ugliest throwing style ever??
    he holds and throws the ball like its a freaking handgranade after having 25 tequillas.
    tebows problem is that he got ugly ass motion + nobody open how about i take off
    – 2 yds later sack fumble

  18. DCViking says: Feb 22, 2010 9:51 AM

    bakaduin –
    Well said —the implications of this article are laugable.

  19. parasonic says: Feb 22, 2010 9:53 AM

    Florio is right. Though, yes, it’s Meyer’s job to win BCS Championships, those kids declaring to colleges want to play in the NFL and they’ll look for the school that gives them the best shot. Bama won the BCS this year and they don’t have a single player slated in the top 10 in any mock draft and only 1 in the 1st round. Think about that.

  20. rossmcr says: Feb 22, 2010 9:57 AM

    Tebow will be a starter in a year, he’ll transition well, he’s already making improvements and that only a couple of months!! Also, anyone who thinks Tebow wont make plays with his feet in the NFL are wrong, he won’t bust of 20 yard runs but in short yardage and goal line situations, Tebow becomes a threat!!

  21. rpiotr01 says: Feb 22, 2010 9:59 AM

    ninerblitz:
    The difference is that, while Rodgers had that goofy way he held the ball next to his ear, he still had a quick release, pretty compact throw, threw a nice tight spiral and was accurate even back then. His coach had a few years to work with him on arm strength and holding the ball more naturally but he had the building blocks there.
    Tebow is much more of a project. Not saying it can’t be done but he better hope he winds up someplace where he doesn’t need to start for a few years. He has the brains and the desire to take coaching well, but he needs someone to give him the time too. GB, NE, Miami… I think he’d be a good 3rd-4th round pick for any of them. Even if he never starts a game for them, develop him and turn him into a first round pick later.

  22. KC Hymen Bruiser says: Feb 22, 2010 10:00 AM

    @ bakaduin – That’s exactly what I was thinking as I read this article. Florio, quit making $hit up as you go along. What would Tebow have without all the hype of UF and Urban Meyer? The answer is bad mechanics AND NO NATIONAL TITLES OR HEISMAN!! Which do you think he preferrs, becoming one of the best college football players ever at UF w/ Urban Meyer or being a nobody with no shot at the NFL? I think he made the right choice.

  23. afiresnake says: Feb 22, 2010 10:06 AM

    Agreed, if you have ever seen Philip Rivers throw a football, you’ll notice that mechanics matter only to a certain degree.

  24. G21 says: Feb 22, 2010 10:09 AM

    I agree Urban Meyer’s goal is to prepare guys for championships, but if you are a top program, a big attraction for recruits is what will you do for me?
    These guys aspirations are to get drafted to the NFL – and which program has the ability to get them there.
    For all of Tebow’s failures with his mechanics (I thought Scott Loeffler – Tom Brady’s position coach @ Michigan – was brought in specifically for that reason), what will rival coaches say about Meyer and Florida…
    When they see John Brantley zipping the ball around with complete accuracy and arm strength, beautiful throwing motion, etc… stuff we didn’t see from Tebow.
    Nice thing about Meyer is that he does not have players fit into a system but tweaks the system to suit the players in it.

  25. TheDPR says: Feb 22, 2010 10:10 AM

    Al Groh put a lot of Wahoos into the NFL and look where that got him. Sure he was fired three or four years too late but he was still fired because he couldn’t win in college.

  26. kilty007 says: Feb 22, 2010 10:20 AM

    “If you don’t think that’ll eventually impact the performance of Meyer’s team, then you simply don’t understand how college football actually works.”
    I’m no fan of UF, Meyer or his over-hyped QB coach, Loeffler, but that’s a pretty bold statement. Interesting how you offered up without a shread of proof. Here’s your chance, Mr. Florio, give us examples of how similar situations have impacted other teams’ future performances.

  27. thegoldengod says: Feb 22, 2010 10:25 AM

    This is the kind of article that will make you reconsider viewing this site…
    This is clear anti-gator garbage…
    Meyer did not owe Tebow anything…and given the way Tebow plays the game, I’m sure if Meyer said choose between A: Playing our game to try and get another National Championship and B: developing your passing game and hurting the team…Tebow would take A everytime.
    Meyer is about winning championships…
    This coming from a neutral Tar Heel grad.
    “So get your facts straight! This is why I don’t read the newspaper, because its garbage! And the editor who published this…He’s Garbage!”
    Grow up.

  28. mwcarolina says: Feb 22, 2010 10:27 AM

    Here’s what i like about Tim Tebow now, he is trying VERY HARD to change for scouts and that’s something that i like to see. He is working hard, unlike JaMarcus Russell in the pros. Russell is playing to be paid, Tebow is trying to improve and i like that about this kid and hope that he does change his style and becomes a higher pick. He is a good kid and if he changes his style to the point that Kiper and McShay get new views on him, that will be a plus on Tebow’s camp.

  29. AZ Red Bird says: Feb 22, 2010 10:31 AM

    This has disaster written all over it.
    You can’t change what he’s been doing for 18 years and expect a positive result for the NFL.
    His passes will be way off target, slow and he’ll be riding the bench fast.
    Stay with what you’ve done…if it works ..it works…
    He played well in college….

  30. It puts the lotion on the skin says: Feb 22, 2010 10:31 AM

    But wait, I thought “Tebow is a winner”, “he has all the intangibles”, “he goes on religious missions to help people in need”, “he is a natural leader”……
    LMFAO, all the intangibles, and good nature in the world doesnt make him an All Pro….

  31. Benny says: Feb 22, 2010 10:33 AM

    No matter, he’s going to be a steaming heap of dog crap in the NFL anyway. Pity the team who wastes a 3rd round pick on him.

  32. tv says: Feb 22, 2010 10:37 AM

    Mean D – but you are reading him, ain’t ya?
    A few years ago I read a “scouting report” from an unnamed NFL team that summed up Tebow as “a lughead who does a very limited number of things in a highly limited, simplified offense and knows practically nothing about football, especially reading defenses”.
    This was when the world was on fire with Tebow-mania.
    Seems pretty damn accurate now! I guess some of those NFL guys really do know what they are talking about.

  33. thecrazytomato says: Feb 22, 2010 10:46 AM

    Wow I love how some of you people only read half of the article and ignore the other half, but here I will break it down for you. Mind you I don’t watch alot of college football or Tebow for that matter, but even I understand it.
    Prospect A. QB. His dream is to play in the NFL. Colleges are sending in their guns to recruit this kid.
    Now a school such as Alabama, USC, Texas, FL, all the big giants, need AMMO against all the schools. What can they use?
    Ok against Florida, here you go. Here is a Sr. Heisman winning QB that Flordia has, but guess what? He will be very lucky to make it in the first round and lucky in the second.
    Why you might ask? Well that is because the Head coach in Flordia. Mr. Meyer would never work with this kid on his mechanics. Never taught him the things a successful NFL QB will need for the next level.
    Ok so said prospect decides to sign with USC. So where does Florida go for their QB? Do they go and get some junked up QB with a last minute commit?
    Do you understand Now?

  34. JimmyY says: Feb 22, 2010 10:47 AM

    So with Mike Leach’s offenses down in Lubbock, how many of his pass happy QB’s are starting in the NFL? Next question Mr. Attorney.

  35. ParkerFly says: Feb 22, 2010 10:49 AM

    afiresnake, but Rivers just has a weird release. Tebow has messed up footwork, wind up, AND release. His mechanics are all over the map.

  36. Rock56 says: Feb 22, 2010 10:52 AM

    Florio, I’m glad your getting blasted on this.. Maybe next time you’ll think twice about talking about your knowledge of college football, because obviously your just a good NFL gossip queen. Everything else you SUCK at!

  37. Professor says: Feb 22, 2010 10:54 AM

    Jesus christ, some of you have no clue! It most certainly IS Meyer’s job to teach his players proper mechanics….especially his QB. It doesn’t matter what level you’re on. If a head coach can consistently pump out NFL players then he’ll attract more top recruits. We all know the top high school recruits know they are good at football and want to go to the school that will give them the best chance to make it to the NFL. For that reason alone a head coach should be committed to proper mechanics. The last thing any head coach ever want is the reputation of not being able to coach a QB. No college coach can be successful if he can’t attract a QB that can win games. If Tebow knew before committing to Florida that he would not be a first round pick after all his college success because of poor mechanics that were never addressed right away his freshmen year he would have never went to Florida.

  38. BroncFanOr says: Feb 22, 2010 10:55 AM

    What some of you fail to get is while it is their job to win National championships the majority of College players are trying to make it to the pro’s. As a coach it’s your job to make sure your players are as successful as possible. Florio is correct in the fact it will be hard for Florida to recruit a top end QB if they cannot produce in the NFL.

  39. SeaColt213 says: Feb 22, 2010 10:56 AM

    A- kids going to Florida are probably aiming for the NFL so if you think its not Meyers job to prepare them for the NFL, you’re high; college professors jobs are not simply to help the kids get good grades- its to prepare them for the “real world” or job market.
    B- why wouldnt Tebow make plays with his legs? I personally dont like the guy but if people like Vince Young, Donovan McNabb and Jeff Garcia can do it, Tebow can too.
    C- if Meyer spent no time preparing his marquee player for the NFL, what parent will want their son going to UF? I doubt UF’s recruiting will suffer like USC’s Carrol-less Trojans but dont think Saban doesnt see blood in the water

  40. Codename says: Feb 22, 2010 10:57 AM

    Apparently few people can actually read. The whole point of the article is yes, it is Urban Meyer’s job to win football games. But not preparing a player to play at the next level will in fact, hurt recruiting, and thus, hurt his ability to win football games.

  41. gopher says: Feb 22, 2010 11:04 AM

    I do not know of any college coach that got fired for not getting his players ready for the NFL, I do know a lot of them get fired for not winning. I’m not a fan of Florida or Meyer but with the money he makes at Florida I do not think he cares much about anything except winning college games.

  42. Old School says: Feb 22, 2010 11:06 AM

    I don’t think too many people living north of Florida give two hoots about Brett Meyer. Seems his most distinguishing characteristic is making up his mind.

  43. Big Stretch says: Feb 22, 2010 11:33 AM

    Professor says:
    February 22, 2010 10:54 AM
    Jesus christ, some of you have no clue! It most certainly IS Meyer’s job to teach his players proper mechanics….especially his QB. It doesn’t matter what level you’re on. If a head coach can consistently pump out NFL players then he’ll attract more top recruits. We all know the top high school recruits know they are good at football and want to go to the school that will give them the best chance to make it to the NFL. For that reason alone a head coach should be committed to proper mechanics. The last thing any head coach ever want is the reputation of not being able to coach a QB. No college coach can be successful if he can’t attract a QB that can win games. If Tebow knew before committing to Florida that he would not be a first round pick after all his college success because of poor mechanics that were never addressed right away his freshmen year he would have never went to Florida.
    ——————————————–
    so no college coach can be successful without recruiting NFL calibur QBs? Heard of Joe Paterno? Bobby Bowden?
    Somehow i think UF will continue to recruit top athletes even after Tebow fails in the NFL. Kind of like how they continued to recruit top athletes after Danny Wuerful, Doug Johnson, Rex Grossman,Steve Spurrier……..all failed at the NFL level, as a matter of fact i dare you to find me a good NFL QB that came from UF and yet the school is still consistently competitive.
    The college coach’s only obligation is to the school that pays him millions of dollars to get to an win bowl games(for the money) and keep the alumni happy so they donate more money to the school.
    College football is a business just like the NFL and it’s the coaches responsiblity to run a successful program. The success of the program is not based on getting kids ready for the NFL, it’s based on winning games.

  44. SoCalSean says: Feb 22, 2010 11:34 AM

    I don’t want Tebow riding my teams bench.. You guys can have him.

  45. No-Neck says: Feb 22, 2010 11:38 AM

    Meyer’s program will not fall just because this one particular QB might not make it in the NFL. How can Saban can hurt Meyer’s recruiting? By trumpeting how well prepared John Parker Wilson is for the NFL? Meyer is a top notch recruiter. Always has been, always will. Even after the waffling with retirement issue, he still pulls a #1 class.

  46. Gatorfan1 says: Feb 22, 2010 11:38 AM

    Gee, I guess something went right at Florida. Here is a direct quote from the article:
    “His intelligence level is as high as any quarterback I’ve encountered coming out of college,” Trestman said. “His intelligence is off the charts. After spending time with Tim, it was evident that he learned a lot of football in his four years at Florida — a lot.
    Oh well, I guess Meyer will keep winning SEC & National Championships and the Meyer haters will keep hating him because he kicks the sh** out of their team. As a Gator fan, I’ll take that trade….lol….

  47. MakingitRain says: Feb 22, 2010 11:53 AM

    Here’s what i like about Tim Tebow now, he is trying VERY HARD to change for scouts and that’s something that i like to see. He is working hard, unlike JaMarcus Russell in the pros. Russell is playing to be paid, Tebow is trying to improve and i like that about this kid and hope that he does change his style and becomes a higher pick. He is a good kid and if he changes his style to the point that Kiper and McShay get new views on him, that will be a plus on Tebow’s camp.
    We’ll said.. I would like to see this kid make it in the NFL . He has put his pride aside and started working on his game, Unlike the fore mentioned player.

  48. Didier says: Feb 22, 2010 11:55 AM

    Quarterbacks with deliveries this unconventional simply cannot change. Bernie Kosar couldn’t change. Phillip Rivers couldn’t change. Byron Leftwich couldn’t change. And, Tim Tebow is making a huge mistake trying to change his delivery that much. It simply can’t be done. He’ll always revert back to the same throwing motion. It is innate and, in part, based upon each person’s unique physiology. A quarterback doesn’t “change” his throwing motion to adapt to play in the NFL. Instead, a quarterback adapts his play in the NFL to his throwing motion. Rivers, Kosar, and even Leftwich could be successful because they learn to read defenses a little more quickly, make good decisions a little more quickly, and deliver the ball with zip and accuracy. Tim Tebow should spend more time on the “above the shoulders” aspects of being an NFL quarterback and less time on the “below the shoulders” aspects.

  49. Cleric John Preston says: Feb 22, 2010 11:58 AM

    Wow, the tardy comments I’m reading in this thread.
    its not about how a throwing motion LOOKS, smart ones, its about how fast the ball gets out.
    Philip Rivers has an “ugly” release, but the ball still gets out quick enough and on time, and Rivers is tall enough that it works.
    Tebow is another leftwich; a huge windup that lets defenders know EXACTLY where the ball is going. He has no chance in the NFL without changing his motion.
    And yes, you do blame Meyer, FLORIDA HOMERS PLEASE STFU
    Florio is dead right, stop recruits won’t come to a school when a heisman winner and 2 time national champion goes to the NFL in the 3rd round or later and with a SH1TTY throwing motion.
    I think its hilarious that people that read Florio hate him for telling the truth. Meyer did a terrible job with Tebow. If you weren’t going to help him get ready for the pro-game, then send to the pro game last year when he might have gone 1st or 2nd round and had a chance to have a career

  50. Big M says: Feb 22, 2010 12:23 PM

    To Florio and all of you who claim that that people bashing this article are clueless:
    No, we get Florio’s point! It’s not a hard connection to make. But we know he’s wrong!
    Urban Meyer will recruit players that fit his system, and those players are not going to be the top recruits at the QB position.
    Florio, you claim that Saban could use Tebow against Meyer, but here are two reasons you’re dead wrong:
    1.) Saban is a run-first coach who is not smitten with going after top QB recruits, and has not produced a guy who has been a top NFL QB.
    2.) Meyer could easily refer back to 2005 and tell a recruit: “I was the only person to recruit Alex Smith out of high school who wasn’t related to him. He became the #1 pick in the draft 3 years later.” Sure, there’s an adjustment period for his QBs once they go to the NFL, but he puts them in a position to garner the recognition from scouts.

  51. Sterling says: Feb 22, 2010 12:34 PM

    Tebow will be OK. Whether he plays QB or not is his future boss’s decision, but his work ethic and that big, athletic body will get him where he needs to be.
    Many QBs have bad mechanics and have had to work on them – Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb, and the much-cited P. Rivers. Why not just give kudos to Tebow for working on his weaknesses? Instead you’ve got to find someone to snark at. Which is why this site has more in common with the National Enquirer than NFL.com or even SI.com.

  52. Deb says: Feb 22, 2010 12:40 PM

    Had this exact conversation with a Gator fan a year ago and his answer was that the NFL would have to change offenses to adapt to Florida’s style. I just shook my head and walked away. In any business, universities adapt to provide what professions require, not the other way ’round.
    The sad thing is that Tebow has everything else a QB needs: brains, leadership, size, and toughness. I wouldn’t count him out because he has the work ethic to reinvent himself. But he has a tough road ahead.
    Meyer’s primary responsibility is to win games. But he also has a duty to prepare top prospects for the NFL. He seems to have done that at other positions, but he failed Tebow. Although he’s an excellent recruiter, that could make it difficult for him to attract a top QB prospect in the future.

  53. dhonig says: Feb 22, 2010 12:46 PM

    This is pure idiocy. First, as noted so many times above, it is Meyer’s job to win football games, not prep kids for the next level. Second, for every DVD Saban shows a recruit of Tebow’s throwing motion, Meyer can show a video of Tebow hoisting a BCS National Championship Trophy, a Heisman Trophy, and sporting two National Championship rings.

  54. Gatorfan1 says: Feb 22, 2010 12:51 PM

    @ClericJohnPreston:
    To say your an idiot would be giving you to much credit. Tell me smart guy in the last 20 National Championships which one of those QB’s made it to the NFL.
    Better yet, take the greatest coaches of all time; Bowden, Saban, Paterno, Hayes, Schembechler, Johnson, Osborne, Spurrier or even Carroll who everyone says puts so much emphasis on the pro game and tell me all the great NFL QB’s they put into the NFL.
    Think of it this way numb nuts…..Alex Smith has had a better career than Matt Lienart…..
    Maybe you ought to STFU or at least next time, know what the hell your talking about!!!!

  55. 1IH says: Feb 22, 2010 1:04 PM

    An alcoholic when confronted with the truth will A) laugh it off and refuse to talk or B) call names swear everyone else in the world is an idiot……..
    I will go with B, Florio’s point is well taken and absolutely correct!
    If you disagree with me you are probably a racist, homophobic cheerleader wannabe!
    BTW, Go BIG BLUE, this should help Joker Phllips recruiting efforts!!! ;-)

  56. Jagdbaer says: Feb 22, 2010 1:36 PM

    Tim Teabow can correct his throwing motion and footwork because he has it where it counts the most: his heart and mind. You can always train yourself to change your habits but its hard to know how the psyche will react. Why wasn’t Mack Brown blamed for Vince Young? Has anyone noticed that Colt McCoy is not as highly talked about as Sam Bradford this year in the draft even though their career stats are similar? What about Pete Carroll? Carson Palmer, Matt Leinert, and Mark Sanchez came out highly touted but could they have peaked already before reaching the NFL? System qb’s come and go (Tim Couch, Eric Crouch, Jason White, Josh Heupel, etc.) but its the upside that the NFL’s trying to find. Peyton Manning had questionable mechanics coming out of Tennessee but the Colts took him instead of the already “mechanically perfected” Ryan Leaf. How did that turn out?

  57. Tdk24 says: Feb 22, 2010 1:44 PM

    Why in the hell would a college coach prepare a QB for the NFL. See Peyton Manning and Tee Martin.

  58. jurnee16 says: Feb 22, 2010 1:49 PM

    I agree with those who say Florio is wrong in saying Saban can use Tebow’s lack of success against Meyer on the recruiting trail…Meyer could do the exact same thing because none of you can name a QB Saban put in the pros who has been successful….

  59. GirthyOne says: Feb 22, 2010 1:50 PM

    How do you know they didn’t try to change his motion at some point? I presume that Tebow and friends/family all heard what was being said for years. Maybe the decision was made by Tebow not to do it.
    Who knows?

  60. Deb says: Feb 22, 2010 2:05 PM

    @GirthyOne …
    Did you miss this paragraph in the article?
    Though Tebow seems to be trying hard not to point a finger at Meyer for the quarterback’s current predicament, this quote tells us everything we need to know: “I’ve never been asked to shorten or quicken my release and not have a loop in it.”

  61. Big_Monkey says: Feb 22, 2010 2:22 PM

    Ultimately, it’s Meyer’s job to WIN. I don’t think Tebow blames Meyer one bit, and Tebow, I’m sure, doesn’t have any regrets with his college career, exception being this last championship game.
    I DO think it’s a great point Florio makes about recruiting top QB’s and how they may possibly think twice about going to Florida, a run heavy, and NFL un-friendly QB system.

  62. Panama says: Feb 22, 2010 2:25 PM

    Tebow is one of the worst qb prospects to come out in a long time. Although I think Florio is right on with his assessment he fails to mention one thought. Could Meyers have actually tried to change Tebows mechanics and it went so horribly wrong that he left it the way it was? And as for Tebow saying that never happened, what else can he say? If he admitted he couldn’t change he would be drafted as an H-back in the NFL, not a QB.
    Tebow is working on making a slight change to his motion so he can show enough progress that an NFL team believes he can make the full transformation given enough time and coaching. The better idea (and probably is happening as well) is to simply work on his footwork. Footwork is something you can change in this short amount of time, where throwing motion takes years.
    I’m out!

  63. mwcarolina says: Feb 22, 2010 2:37 PM

    (And, Tim Tebow is making a huge mistake trying to change his delivery that much. It simply can’t be done)
    That’s where you are wrong, you can change Tebow, but it won’t be a quick fix. you can cure an alcoholic and you can cure an injured person, so why can’t you fix a man’s throwing?? i think you can, but it takes, HARD work, Russell doesn’t work hard, Tebow does, i don’t think he will be great, but i don’t think he will be a JaMarcus Russell (as some moronic fan on another site called him). Tebow will try, he just may fail, i hope he does well because i like the kid.

  64. Deb says: Feb 22, 2010 3:00 PM

    @GirthyOne …
    Did you miss this paragraph in the article?
    Though Tebow seems to be trying hard not to point a finger at Meyer for the quarterback’s current predicament, this quote tells us everything we need to know: “I’ve never been asked to shorten or quicken my release and not have a loop in it.”

  65. bluths says: Feb 22, 2010 4:01 PM

    First, it was well-reported last summer that Tebow was not changing his motion because he didn’t want to jeapordize a possible unbeaten season. It’s not like FL wasn’t trying to work on it, hiring Loefler was an obvious attempt at that.
    Second, if Meyer “has no clue” as the good QB but completely awful analyst/announcer Theismann said, then who does? What quality, or even prepared, NFL QB has Saban, Mack Brown, Bob Stoops, Steve Spurrier, or even offensive “genius” Petrino produced? How’s Quinn doing at Cleveland after learning under an NFL coordinator (Weis)? At least Meyer prepared one well enough to get picked 1st in the draft, is it his fault Alex Smith hasn’t produced? The truth is, either a QB has it or they don’t. Look at Barkley at USC, he’s NFL ready now, he just needs experience. USC is the only school that comes to mind with any consistent NFL QB success, and in reality, Palmer, Cassell, Leinert, and Sanchez were all those type of QB’s before going to SC. You really think Cutcliffe made the Manning’s NFL ready QB’s? Please, it was their dad, both in upbringing and DNA.
    Here’s the reality folks – there is no school or coach who best prepares QB’s for the NFL, it’s a hit or miss position. Either the player has it or they don’t, and no one has figured it out yet how to best figure out what “it” is ahead of time. They come from different systems, with different strengths and weaknesses. The sad thing is so-called experts like Theismann and this writer don’t realize this and just write and say this nonsense.

  66. DCPowerGator says: Feb 22, 2010 5:25 PM

    why bother posting comments when they disappear? saw my comment a few hours ago, now it’s gone. as they try to make it better and better, this site is becoming worse and worse. we’ll see if this lasts for more than an hour or two…

  67. jeremyb91 says: Feb 22, 2010 6:05 PM

    “After the Gators won two national championships in three seasons with Tebow at quarterback, Meyer owed a huge debt to Tebow. And Meyer should have spent all of 2009 attempting to repay it.”
    Why would Meyer have to retrain Tebow to pay him back? Tebow was well aware of the type of offense Florida ran when Meyer recruited him to Florida.
    A kid goes to college and understands what kind of offense he’s getting himself into.
    So I guess you expected Tom Osbourne to retrain Tommie Frazier and Tim Crouch?
    Or how about WVU and Major Harris back in the day? Was WVU responsible for correcting Harris’ shortcomings?
    Another WVU example could be Pat White. Maybe Rich Rod should’ve threw in the towel White’s final year and retrained him how to be an NFL QB.
    Get real Florio. Meyer doesn’t owe Tebow anything.

  68. Gatorfan1 says: Feb 22, 2010 6:55 PM

    Can you just imagine 30 years ago some “hack” reporter questioning Osborne, Paterno, Hayes, Schembechler, Fry, Switzer, McKay & Bryant about why they didn’t get their

  69. bradleygator says: Feb 22, 2010 8:06 PM

    I’m sure Meyer won’t enjoy his vacation now that Florio is questioning his recruiting. He just quit two months before signing day and pulled in the best class UF has ever had. One reason this won’t hurt his QB recruiting is because he will continue to recruit running/dual threat QBs. Florio, I think it’s possible Urban Meyer knows more about winning football games and recruiting than you do. But maybe I just “don’t understand how college ball works” the way you obviously do.
    I guess what I’m saying is, I think we should replace Meyer with Florio. Repaying debts of gratitude to successful senior QBs is the wave of the future!

  70. G8r52220 says: Feb 22, 2010 8:16 PM

    Maybe Meyer was smart enough to know: if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Plus, I’m pretty sure there’s a reason that Meyer is coaching at THE top football program in the nation (hello, #1 recruiting class), and this joker is just grasping at straws to write articles.

  71. Gatorfan1 says: Feb 22, 2010 8:23 PM

    As I was saying:
    Can you just imagine 30 years ago some “hack” reporter questioning Osborne, Paterno, Hayes, Schembechler, Fry, Switzer, McKay & Bryant about why they didn’t get their QB’s ready for the NFL.
    Since most of these coaches ran a wishbone offense, which certainly no NFL teams ran I can only imagine the responses, especially from Bryant. He literally would have chased this reporter down the hallway making sure he knew never to come back and ask such asinine questions!! HIS responsibilty to the NFL, get serious.
    Unbelievable how you people are obsessed in laying any kind of blame on Meyer for anything. Show me one article where any college coach has ever been questioned on this.
    Many people, probably most on this board never thought Young, with his motion would ever make the NFL. Please go back and show me ONE article where

  72. mwcarolina says: Feb 22, 2010 8:24 PM

    (What quality, or even prepared, NFL QB has Saban, Mack Brown, Bob Stoops, Steve Spurrier, or even offensive “genius” Petrino produced?)
    Vince Young for Texas is good and i like Sam Bradford, but that’s it. Saban’s best quarterback was Russell, but i agree with your concept, either a quarterback has it, or they don’t, but for Tebow, he has something, but his motion is bad, but at least the kid is trying to change which is why i like him, not for his talent because i think he is a project, but for his character.

  73. ispysomething7 says: Feb 22, 2010 8:53 PM

    Scott Loeffler is garbage anyway. What do you expect from a Barberton kid. I agree with Florio; other college coaches are going to have a field day if Tebow bombs in the NFL. I mean when, not if.

  74. Crowder911 says: Feb 23, 2010 3:26 AM

    cool that we all agree that Rivers motion is as ugly as it gets BUT Tebow…he really throws a wet diaper.
    No idea how he wants to change that. also believe that he wont lack confidence, will be thinking too much etc etc i highly doubt that he is going to have success as a QB
    Tim at least you had fun, a college career and bet he is close to “DAYTONA 500″ when you know what i mean

  75. Dayton Dave says: Feb 23, 2010 10:45 AM

    Tim and so many other Quarterbacks are nothing more than system quarterbacks and that’s it. He had a great college career but if he wanted to go to the NFL he should have thought of that when he signed with Florida. Like I always say… if you’re a QB and want to win in college go to the SEC, but if you want to play in the NFL go to the Big 10 or Pac 10. The numbers don’t lie, how many QB’s from the SEC not named Manning has turned out to be anything but a career back up in the last 10 years? How many from the Big 10 and Pac 10? Don’t blame Meyer for Tebow not being ready for the NFL, his job was to get Tebow ready for the BCS games and that he did.
    Ultimately it’s the players responsibility to decide what career path he wants to take, if your goal is the NFL then play in a pro style system, don’t go to a spread system that historically does not send quarterbacks to the NFL.

  76. FrenchMontana says: Feb 23, 2010 10:53 AM

    Tebow is not a great passer, PERIOD. I rarely saw him able to fit bullets in between coverage, over the shoulder passes, and hes not very accurate. It may seem that way b/c his WR’s were able to get pretty wide open, that doesn’t happen often in the NFL. Your passes have to be precise.
    Lets see, last season Tebow threw for a total of 2895 yds Case Keenum of Houston threw for 5671 yds and Jimmy Clausen threw for 3722 yds, almost a 1000yds more than Tebow. Tebow also ranks 29th among the top 50 college Qb’s for most passing yards, so he’s ranked in the last half. He wont be able to do all that running in the NFL, hes not particularly fast like a Pat White, or Dennis Dixon of Pittsburgh. Yea Tebow is big and tough, but now he’ll be trying to run against NFL fast DTackles and Linebackers, um bro its not happening. So unless in a matter of a few months he can correct a throwing motion hes been doing his whole life, I see him either holding a clip board, playing another position or becoming a college football analyst.

  77. FrenchMontana says: Feb 23, 2010 10:59 AM

    Tebow is not a great passer, PERIOD. I rarely saw him able to fit bullets in between coverage, over the shoulder passes, and hes not very accurate. It may seem that way b/c his WR’s were able to get pretty wide open, that doesn’t happen often in the NFL. Your passes have to be precise.
    Lets see, last season Tebow threw for a total of 2895 yds Case Keenum of Houston threw for 5671 yds and Jimmy Clausen threw for 3722 yds, almost a 1000yds more than Tebow. Tebow also ranks 29th among the top 50 college Qb’s for most passing yards, so he’s ranked in the last half. He wont be able to do all that running in the NFL, hes not particularly fast like a Pat White, or Dennis Dixon of Pittsburgh. Yea Tebow is big and tough, but now he’ll be trying to run against NFL fast DTackles and Linebackers, um bro its not happening. So unless in a matter of a few months he can correct a throwing motion hes been doing his whole life, I see him either holding a clip board, playing another position or becoming a college football analyst.

  78. FrenchMontana says: Feb 23, 2010 11:27 AM

    @Dayton Dave
    Sure, more QB’s are successful at the NFL level coming out of other conferences. But the Draft is usually dominated by players coming out of the SEC and southern region of the USA period. Thats why the SEC has won the last 4 national championships, thats domination, domination over every other major conference, the south has the best athletes hands down. Take a look at the 2001 Miami Hurricanes roster, aka THE U.
    The rest of the country may have football players, but we put out pure athletic specimens that just happen to play football down here.
    Kellen Winslow Jr WR
    Jonathan Vilma LB
    Sean Taylor (RIP) DB
    Antrel Rolle DB
    Chris Napoli OL
    Sinorice Moss WR
    Willis McGahee HB
    Andre Johnson WR
    Frank Gore HB
    Jeremy Shockey TE
    thats retarded, all pros too and thats off of ONE squad, you look in the NFL majority of the best players have come out of the SEC.

  79. Deb says: Feb 23, 2010 12:07 PM

    G8r52220 says:
    I’m pretty sure there’s a reason that Meyer is coaching at THE top football program in the nation (hello, #1 recruiting class), and this joker is just grasping at straws to write articles.
    ——————————————–
    Sorry to burst your bubble, honey, but THE top football program in the nation isn’t the one with the #1 recruiting class … hello, it’s the one holding the championship trophy ;-) And you have no idea how much $$$$ this “joker” rakes in writing these articles.
    @Crowder911 …
    Yeah, we get your meaning about the DAYTONA 500. You don’t know anything about Tim Tebow, do you? Boy, would you lose that bet. LOL

  80. Gatorfan1 says: Feb 23, 2010 3:12 PM

    Wow! This must be the Social Welfare NFL Blog.
    Blame someone else if your life doesn’t go right!!! Lol….
    Let’s hope right now that Florio is writing his article on how Tressel owes it to Pryor to change his motion and make him an NFL QB.
    Pryor said he went to Ohio State because he thought he would have a better chance of playing in the NFL with that offense. For two years we have seen the media criticize Pryor’s throwing motion and the fact he wants to “run” all the time.
    Doesn’t Tresel owe it to him to sit in on hours of film session to make sure he knows a cover 2 from zone defense. I guess if Pryor doesn’t make it, he should sue Tressel for not MAKING him an NFL QB.
    For that matter, in baseball no 2 hitting strokes are the same. Shouldn’t every hitting coach in baseball be sued for not getting every hitter to hit 300 every season. Hell, shouldn’t we go lower and blame every little league, high school, college & pro coach for not making every one an allstar.
    This maybe the most ridiculous and obvious blog ever written.
    My dad used to say, “it not what there saying about you, it’s the fact they are talking about you”.
    Meyer has won 3 National coaches of the Year Award, was the first coach to lead his non-Bcs school to a BCS game, won 2 NC’s and very close to a 3rd, won 2 SEC Championship’s and almost a 3rd in 5 years. All this was accomplished in 9 years.
    Meyer is not a good coach, he is a GREAT coach and will continue to have a top 5 program every year he coaches with a shot at winning more NC’s.
    So KEEP blogging your hatred for the man, for every negative comment there is a flip side that also gets out, all the positive things that recruits love. WINNING!!! So keep talking about him, PLEASE!!
    Oh by the way, I don’t know 1 recruit whoever made a decision not to attend a school because of some piss ass posters who make it obvious that their school gets it’s ass beat on a regular basis by Florida or idiot posters who just can’t stand to see a program do so well over a period of time. If anything recruits feed off of the hatred of fans…..sort of like the old Miami teams….ALL you guys do is direct them to check out the Gators to see what their all about. Thank you very much!!!
    So keep posting, I’ll only get worried when I DON’T see all the hate. That will mean we’re not kicking your all’s asses on a regular basis anymore…which will mean Meyer is no longer coaching the Gators!! LOL….

  81. ToledoLions says: Feb 23, 2010 4:32 PM

    @ kilty007,
    Here’s an example. Alabama just got the #1 QB recruit in the country over Florida because of CUM’s failure to produce NFL QB’s. It’s already starting to effect it but you will see in the future when no good QB’s go there, then they stop getting the WR’s because they will go where the good QB’s are to make them better, then the RB’s because let’s face it no good RB is gonna ever come out of CUM’s system because they have no clue how to run in a real offense. Like taking a handoof from a QB under center, play action fakes, running between the tackles, etc. etc. Hell the RB’s will be the first to stop coming soon eneough once they see all the 5 star RB’s going there and getting no shot in the NFL.
    College Championships are good but the reason these high profile kids go to college is to prepare for the NFL. When your program is failing at sending players to the NFL or the players that go just aren’t that good then the high profile recruits will stop coming. If you wanna be good in the NFL don’t go to Florida at all. They don’t produce NFL players anymore with CUM there.
    Examples:
    Cornelius Ingram
    Reggie Nelson
    Louis Murphy
    Derrick Harvey
    Jarvis Moss
    Andre Caldwell
    Percy Harvin
    Those are the only *notable* players in the NFL since CUM got there and I use notable generously. Because the only notable one out of those guys is Harvin. Other than college awards there is really no upside to playing for CUM at Florida. They are all really good when they play on a college team with all 5 star players against the D-II out-of-conference schedule they line up against every year and the weak teams in the SEC (they really struggle against the good and decent teams in the SEC). But when they have to play on a team with equal talent to the opposing team they just don’t perform because they aren’t used to actual competition of equal strength.

  82. ToledoLions says: Feb 23, 2010 4:45 PM

    @ Gatorfan1 ,
    One big difference with your statement. CUM is a pussy. And those coaches you named, well they weren’t.

  83. ToledoLions says: Feb 23, 2010 5:09 PM

    @ Gatorfan1 ,
    “your all’s asses”? LOL nothing like that good old southern inbred swamp education. You want to know why Tebow will fail? Watch the Senior Bowl. Watch how unbelievably slow he is when facing a team with real defensive players on it. Watch his 3 fumbles and how he looks like he has two left feet. Watch how he can’t throw a pass over 10 yards because he can’t read defenses, fit the ball into windows downfield, and realizes those floating dead ducks he throws are gonna get picked by any halfway decent CB (see Javier Arenas).

  84. AUBlitz says: Feb 23, 2010 8:51 PM

    Why is it Meyer’s responsibilty to give a rat’s ass about preparing anyone for the next level? His job is to recruit and win ball games in college. If he felt Tebow’s motion was fine for the college level, why change it? Screw ‘em…

  85. Gatorfan1 says: Feb 23, 2010 10:04 PM

    @ToledoLions:
    Lol…nice post…that ought to sway a lot of recruits to stay away from Florida…..TOOL….

  86. this class sucks says: Feb 24, 2010 2:27 AM

    @gatorfan1
    It sounds like your dad wasn’t very popular.

  87. John Ross says: Feb 24, 2010 1:41 PM

    For all this Saben love, I forget all the QBs Saben coached up that ended up resounding success stories in the league. Isn’t JaMarcus his star pupil? Didn’t he choose Culpepper over Drew Brees when he was in Miami? Great moves.

  88. Gatorfan1 says: Feb 24, 2010 3:59 PM

    @this class sucks:
    Not as popular as your mom……is it true that you have to “bulk mail” your father’s day cards to make sure the right ONE gets to your dad, whoever he might be???

  89. Deb says: Feb 24, 2010 6:50 PM

    @this class sucks …
    His dad was quoting an old saying based on the idea that there’s no such thing as bad publicity: “It doesn’t matter what people say as long as they’re talking about you.”
    Surprised you’ve never heard that. His point is that Urban must still be a threat if people are going to rip on him.
    I’m not a Florida or an Urban fan, but it’s a valid point and doesn’t have anything to do with his dad’s popularity. Play nice.

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