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Last word (for now) on the Meyer-Tebow criticisms

col_tebow.jpgAs it turns out, we’re not the only ones who think that Florida coach Urban Meyer has left quarterback Tim Tebow woefully unprepared to maximize his football skills at the next level.  But, of course, not everyone agrees with this take — primarily those who think that a shade of blue slightly darker than the clear sky actually looks good with orange.

The Gator-dedicated blog at the Palm Beach Post attempts to respond to complaint regarding the reality that Tebow’s Senior Bowl performances nearly resulted in the deployment of a large hook and/or the banging of a large gong.  Now, with Tebow finally trying to do that which Meyer should have been teaching him to do over the course of four full years, Tebow won’t dare to unveil his new quarterback mechanics until tries to unlearn a career of bad habits. 

In roughly six weeks.

Ben Volin of the Gator Bytes blog articulates three simple, yet flawed, arguments in response to the criticism from folks like yours truly, Mike Golic, Tony Kornheiser, Michael Wilbon, and Joe Theismann.  (The only other thing on which I ever have agreed with Golic is the quality of some of the products of one of his sponsors.)  First, Volin says that Meyer hired a pro-style quarterback in 2009 to help Tebow with his mechanics.  Second, Volin points out that NCAA rules limit the number of hours that Tebow can spend fixing his mechanics.  Third, Volin explains that Tebow didn’t want to change his mechanics in 2009 for fear of hurting Florida’s chances of winning a national title.

(Insert video of dog chasing tail . . . . here.)

In other words, the Gators wanted to fix Tebow’s motion so they hired a guy to help him fix it.  But they didn’t want to really fix it because it might have screwed up his ability to not beat Alabama.  And they didn’t have enough time to fix it, anyway.

To fully assess the legitimacy of these pro-Meyer arguments from an openly pro-Gator blog, we’d have to compare Tebow’s throwing motion in 2008 and 2009.  Frankly, however, we can’t imagine it being any worse before the pro-style quarterbacks coach showed up.

Our criticism of Meyer focuses not on 2009 but on 2006, 2007, and 2008 as well.  How could Meyer attend practice every day and not realize that Tebow’s long, slow, looping motion both gives defensive ends a chance to pluck a low-hanging, county-fair winning grapefruit and sends out in Morse code to defensive backs detailed instructions for pulling a Tracy Porter?

Reliance on the limits on the amount of time that the coaches can spend with players is misleading.  Away from the facility, college football players spend plenty of time addressing nuances on their own.  Punters, for example, routinely walk around their apartments working on perfecting the drop of the ball, an underrated but critical aspect of consistently launching a strong kick.

If someone had merely bothered to tell Tebow that his throwing motion made Byron Leftwich look like Dan Marino, Tebow would have tried to change it, especially since he claims to have such a strong work ethic.  But apart from the excuses now being tendered, no one ever told him about the most glaring problem with this throwing motion.  As Tebow said on Monday, “I’ve never been asked to shorten or quicken my release
and not have a loop in it
.”

Maybe the deeper message here is that Meyer didn’t try to change Tebow’s motion because Meyer concluded that he couldn’t do it, or that it wouldn’t take.  Or maybe Meyer knew that his team had sufficient across-the-board talent to overcome Tebow’s flaws.  Either way, Tebow now has a real problem, Meyer deserves criticism because of it, and Volin has now ensured that he’ll have a better seat and/or a bigger hot dog in the Gainesville press box.
 

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61 Responses to “Last word (for now) on the Meyer-Tebow criticisms”
  1. texasPHINSfan says: Feb 24, 2010 12:16 PM

    how many spread offense college coaches have produced good NFL QB’s?
    very few.
    why is this new to PFT?

  2. CapsLockKey says: Feb 24, 2010 12:18 PM

    The main reason Tebow never really got his mechanics fixed in college is because he was thrown in as a starter early in his career. If he had rode the pine a couple years while coaches worked on his mechanics like MOST college QBs end up no one would be having this discussion. The guy is such a talent that he one the Heisman freaking Trophy as a sophomore even with terrible footwork and arm mechanics.

  3. Citizen Strange says: Feb 24, 2010 12:21 PM

    Byron Leftwich has the comically exaggerated windup of an 1890s baseball pitcher.

  4. Reasonable says: Feb 24, 2010 12:25 PM

    Tebow had 88 passing TD’s vs 16 INT’s and you want to mess with that? Once more 88 TD vs 16 INT’s. Oh yeah and 9285 yards passing. I have heard he ran for a few TD’s as well.

  5. sean272727 says: Feb 24, 2010 12:26 PM

    When was the last time a QB actually altered their delivery AND became successful? Byron Leftwich was a better thrower of the football in college than Tebow and he is a career backup.

  6. OllieGator says: Feb 24, 2010 12:27 PM

    Florio – what is Meyer’s job title? Head coach at the University of Florida. Therefore, his job is to win games there. If he can prepare players to play at the next level, which he’s done pretty well, AND win, then that’s a bonus.
    Let’s say he helps Tebow – ok. Tebow goes out and changes his motion. And say the Gators lose a few games during that time that he gets adjusted. Meyer is criticized for losing. And 84 other scholarship players suffer through the losses just “because we need to get Tim prepared for the next level”.
    Tebow and Meyer made the choice to leave well enough alone and guess what? It got the Gators a National Championship and the most successful senior class in SEC history.
    Meyer’s doing what’s best for him, that’s being the best head coach for Florida that he can.
    Tebow may or may not succeed at the next level, but blaming it on Meyer is ridiculous.

  7. Chapnasty2 says: Feb 24, 2010 12:27 PM

    If you articulated every other logical argument you make like this then your repsect level would triple.

  8. Corkscrew says: Feb 24, 2010 12:28 PM

    Urban Meyer’s job is not to get Tim Tebow ready for the NFL, but to win games at Florida. Looks to me like he’s doing a damn fine job.

  9. Bell63 says: Feb 24, 2010 12:29 PM

    Meyer’s job is to win football games at the collegiate level. He obviously did very well at that when Tebow was there. If the Gators sucked the whole time AND Tebow was not NFL ready, I can see some criticism, but that is obviously not the case.

  10. mjposner says: Feb 24, 2010 12:31 PM

    As someone who has seen every game that Tebow has been in (Florida 82′ & 85′), I understand the concern about his motion, but Florio’s claim that “Tebow’s long, slow, looping motion both gives defensive ends a chance to pluck a low-hanging, county-fair winning grapefruit and sends out in Morse code to defensive backs detailed instructions for pulling a Tracy Porter?” is simply not supported by the facts. 15 interceptions in 985 attempts is a really good stat. Yes, we understand that the pros are different, but I have seen lots of mechanically perfect qbs like Leaf and George fail, and some others with odd mechanics succeed like Rivers.
    Bottom line is the biggest drawback for Tebow is being in the spread, not his mechanics imho, and I don’t see Urban Myers switching. Bottom line Notre Dame ran a pro system and Florida was a better team. College is not a farm system and Urban Myers wins, so he will continue to recruit players and I think many will come despite Florio’s
    claims that not grooming pro qbs will hurt Florida. Let’s see how Brantley does next year, from what I have seen he is a prototypical pro style qb, not a spread qb like Tebow.

  11. NoKoolaidCowboy says: Feb 24, 2010 12:35 PM

    Going to be interesting to see how the “annointed one” handles going on the field as a pro.
    LBs must be salivating at being the first to give him a big ‘ol welcome to the NFL. lol

  12. enik says: Feb 24, 2010 12:40 PM

    Why is it Urban Meyer’s job to prepare Tebow for the NFL? Meyer’s job is to win games at Florida. With two National Championship’s so far, he seems to be doing his job.

  13. Vic Storm says: Feb 24, 2010 12:40 PM

    Large hook? Banging a gong? Who are you Mike, the unknown comic???

  14. Ilovefoolsball says: Feb 24, 2010 12:41 PM

    It’s not Meyer’s job to make Tebow ready for the NFL. It’s Meyer’s job to win a championship. If Tebow gets drafted high what does Meyer’s get? Oh a pretty blurb about how his starting QB was drafted high. If he wins a Championship he gets leverage to get a better deal when his contract is up.
    This has been the case with SEC QB’s for a long time. Other than Bama no SEC teams run an offense that could be considered a “Pro” style offense. It’s all options, running QB plays, and short dink and dunks. Tebow will go down as one of the greatest college players to play the game, but time and time again we see that great college players do not necessarily translate to NFL legends. Example: Danny Wuerffel.

  15. BJ92 says: Feb 24, 2010 12:41 PM

    Funny how you point out that the Palm Beach Post is a Gator friendly website but don’t bother to announce that you obviously have a vendetta against UF or at least Tebow. Had you come into this argument with an unbiased view and not started the ridiculous ‘Urban Meyer failed Tebow’ talk perhaps I’d be more inclined to care what you said. It’s no doubt that I am a Gator fan, but I also know don’t have a problem with people who make well thought, articulate, neutral assessments of the Gators, something you failed to do. Meyer does not have an obligation to make Tebow an NFL quarterback, he has an obligation to win college football games. And he did, a lot. But of course, as a Gator hater you want to make Meyer out to be this evil coach who laughed at Tebow’s long release and never bothered to fix it. It’s no wonder that no one takes this blog seriously, that is, except you.

  16. Big Stretch says: Feb 24, 2010 12:53 PM

    Florio are you then gonna blame
    Mike Price for Ryan Leaf
    Johnny Majors/Phillip Fulmer for Heath Shuler
    Steve Spurrier for every UF QB before TeBlow
    I could go on all day with this
    Did Urban Meyer turn you down for the prom or something? This hatred you have is insane.
    here is the job description for a small college program ( it was the only one i could find)
    Head Coach Football
    Birmingham-Southern College
    Job Description, 10/06
    Position Summary: The Head Coach of Football is responsible for initiating various
    aspects of the Football program, such as recruiting, scheduling opponents, training, and
    coaching team members. The Head Coach of Football is required to abide by the rules
    and regulations established by Birmingham-Southern College, the Southern Collegiate
    Athletic Conference (SCAC), and NCAA. BSC is a member of the NCAA at the Division
    III level. This is a full time, twelve-month position.
    Essential Responsibilities:
    • Recruit, train, and coach the members of the football program
    • Coordinate the development and promotion of the football program.
    • Generate additional funds for support of the program
    • Organize and schedule practice sessions
    • Schedule games with approval of the Athletic Director
    • Manage field care and maintenance
    • Administrative tasks including budget formulation
    • Represent Birmingham-Southern College and the football program in a professional
    manner.
    Secondary Responsibilities:
    • Assist in fundraising efforts for the Gridiron Club
    NOW WHERE IN THAT DOES IT SAY GET PLAYERS READY FOR A CAREER IN THE NFL? NO WHERE RIGHT.

  17. cbrianwatkins says: Feb 24, 2010 12:58 PM

    Reasonable says:
    February 24, 2010 12:25 PM
    Tebow had 88 passing TD’s vs 16 INT’s and you want to mess with that? Once more 88 TD vs 16 INT’s. Oh yeah and 9285 yards passing. I have heard he ran for a few TD’s as well.
    ————————————————-
    mjposner says:
    February 24, 2010 12:31 PM
    As someone who has seen every game that Tebow has been in (Florida 82′ & 85′), I understand the concern about his motion, but Florio’s claim that “Tebow’s long, slow, looping motion both gives defensive ends a chance to pluck a low-hanging, county-fair winning grapefruit and sends out in Morse code to defensive backs detailed instructions for pulling a Tracy Porter?” is simply not supported by the facts. 15 interceptions in 985 attempts is a really good stat. Yes, we understand that the pros are different, but I have seen lots of mechanically perfect qbs like Leaf and George fail, and some others with odd mechanics succeed like Rivers.
    ————————————————–
    nice stats at the college level, against DB’s that probably wouldnt make the radar for most NFL scouts, i’d say 2-3 DB’s he played against, make it in the NFL
    i mean if you want to throw college passing stats out there, then Colt Brennan should be in the Pro-Bowl in his rookie year……wait wut?

  18. FieldySnuts says: Feb 24, 2010 12:59 PM

    Its just not the QB’s at Florida. How many NFL greats come out of Florida? How many Pro Bowl players came from Florida? Maybe they don’t prepare any of their players for the NFL.

  19. el_dude00 says: Feb 24, 2010 12:59 PM

    Is it also Urban Meyer’s job to tell Timmy Touchdown how to study the sport that means so much to both of them?
    You mean to tell me that Timmy didn’t see or hear of one single article about the value of a quciker throwing motion in the NFL? At some point it has to dawn on you that you need to do something more to become a pro.
    The coach is there to win for the school as many people have pointed out. Period.
    This “who me?” or “nobody told me” argument is absurd. If Tim was truly serious about becoming a pro-qb there are plenty of steps he could’ve taken on his own throughout his college career.
    Now he’s cramming for the toughest exam of his life.
    Boo-hoo.

  20. pramis123 says: Feb 24, 2010 12:59 PM

    I agree that Urban should get blamed for this because it is a coaches job to teach each player how to improve within the framework of the scheme they run. I will not fault Urban for not teaching tebow how to drop back from center, as that is not part of the offense they run and it is Urban’s job to run whatever scheme he feels gives his team the best shot of winning, but to not work to improve the simple mechanics of Tebow is terrible. Now, as you say, if they tried it and it did not take, that is on Tebow, but from all accounts, the kid is not a into lies and he clearly stated that no one has tried to change his mechanics.
    Hope he ends up with my Dolphins and has a couple of years to sit and learn behind Hene.

  21. BenRapistberger says: Feb 24, 2010 1:02 PM

    Here’s something I think is fascinating. Florio spends half the day talking about how unimportant the ‘underwear olympics’ are, because the value of rating someone’s ability to jump/lift/run/throw/etc are intangible to actual game performance. He even posted talking about a team that has 90% of their draft board set because it all comes down to HOW YOU PLAY.
    Is having a 1/2 second longer release a bad thing? Yes. Is Tebow talented enough and smart enough to perform well enough at the NFL level? Yes. There’s no such thing as a perfect quarterback. But his unique skillset and work ethic will allow him to succeed.
    PS- Remember that Doug Flutie guy? He was too short, so he wasn’t going to be able to keep the ball over the heads of defensive linemen. He was terrible in the NFL… oh wait no he wasn’t. He was still playing into his late 30s.
    Hey remember that Chris Johnson guy? Fastest 40 yard time of a RB ever and he started shooting up draft boards? How’d he work out? I guess those things really don’t matter.

  22. Dolphinatic says: Feb 24, 2010 1:04 PM

    Tebow will be great… in the Steve Young mold. Mark my words. I hope we get him just in case Henne turns into one of the McClown sisters we dumped.

  23. Rdowb says: Feb 24, 2010 1:13 PM

    The problem with his motion has nothing to do with the the fact it’s ‘weird’. Phillips Rivers has a weird throwing motion but it’s compact, quick, and has a good release point. He leaves little room for the ball to swiped out/tipped/knocked down. Same thing with guys like Vince Young. Tebow has an elongated style that is neither quick, compact, nor has a high release point.
    At the end of the day, no QB coming out of college is perfect. Whether they have bad footwork, mechanics, played in a spread offence, or were batsh*t crazy. It’s the guys who are willing to work at it and be put in a good situation coming out of college. Tebow has a chance. The kid will work until the cover of his Bible is worn off. He’s not gonna slack or quit.
    Plus, Urban Meyer’s job is to coach. Coaching means making players better. Tebow would have been better having his mechanics refined. And it isn’t like he was ‘thrown in as a starter early in his career’. He didn’t start as a freshman. You trying to tell me in the year he was an on-occasion player he couldn’t have learned a thing or two about the proper way to throw a football?

  24. cbrianwatkins says: Feb 24, 2010 1:18 PM

    el_dude00 says:
    February 24, 2010 12:59 PM
    Is it also Urban Meyer’s job to tell Timmy Touchdown how to study the sport that means so much to both of them?
    The coach is there to win for the school as many people have pointed out. Period.
    ————————————————–
    to answer your first question, YES, Meyer is there to COACH his players, to make them the best they can be at their respective position
    and he is NOT ONLY there to win for the school, he is there to COACH his players
    do any of you know what a coach does? have any of you ever coached?
    Meyer screwed Tebow right up the poop-chute

  25. UCantSpellLoseWithoutDetroitLions says: Feb 24, 2010 1:31 PM

    Agreed that it’s not Meyer’s main job responsibility to prepare his players for the NFL but it’s it’s fair to say that this subject comes up in high school players’ living rooms and Meyer has to be accountable for that. I doubt that Meyer tells players that he just wants them to win collegiate football games for him and he couldn’t care less about their pro prospects. Quite the opposite I’m sure. Thus the criticism is valid.

  26. BornSlippy says: Feb 24, 2010 1:34 PM

    He didnt prepare Alex Smith very well for the NFL either, but he sure made him rich.
    Florida guys scare me, Derrick Harvey and Jarvis Moss have been busts. But strangely Florida recievers are
    losing their rep as nfl busts thanks to Harvin and Murphy.

  27. Reasonable says: Feb 24, 2010 1:36 PM

    To cbrianwatkins
    You do realise Florida is in the SEC right?
    you say,”i’d say 2-3 DB’s he played against, make it in the NFL”
    If you mean per year from the SEC then I would agree. He has played against 10-15 current and future NFL CB’s.
    I do realise those are college #’s. To me you look at his body of work, work ethic, intangables ect. He’ll make it in the NFL. I am not a Florida fan, or college football fan for that matter. I do have a hobby this time of the year of doing my own scouting. I feel I’m a more informed fan of the NFL since I started doing this 6-7 years ago. He will be a good one. It will take some time, but I think he will make it. No matter who you are you just can’t skate through the SEC. It too tuff of a confrence.

  28. DCViking says: Feb 24, 2010 1:36 PM

    to answer your first question, YES, Meyer is there to COACH his players, to make them the best they can be at their respective position
    and he is NOT ONLY there to win for the school, he is there to COACH his players
    do any of you know what a coach does? have any of you ever coached?
    Meyer screwed Tebow right up the poop-chute
    —————————————————
    This is a niave point of view — not one booster, college president, or student will call for Meyer’s head if he doesn’t “coach” his players correctly for the pro game.
    They will, however, ride him out of town on a rail if he doesn’t win games…

  29. DoomsDayD75 says: Feb 24, 2010 1:38 PM

    Lol at people spouting off college stats, like they mean anything when it comes to the NFL. It’s a spread offense, of course he has nice stats. All he does is make one read and then run if the guy is covered. He’ll be hanging out with Chase Daniels and Graham Harrell up in Canada soon enough.

  30. Caldon says: Feb 24, 2010 1:38 PM

    I love how big stretch (and others) says its not in his job description, goes to the trouble of actually posting a job description and then ignores line 1
    recruit, TRAIN AND COACH members of the fooball team.
    So unless you think training and coaching does not involve making a player better (and if you don’t I feel real sorry for your lack of IQ), then well…yeah.

  31. DCPowerGator says: Feb 24, 2010 1:38 PM

    wow, so its up to four now, florio, joey sunshine, ben volin (whoever the hell that is) and the guy whose opinion florio finds so worthy he refers to him as “meatball.”
    here’s something tebow haters and meyer bashers have never addressed. what exactly was there to improve in his college career?
    - the nation’s leading pass efficiency rating in 2009 (one of the highest ever posted btw)?
    - 16 INTs in 3 years of starting? doesn’t sound like too many DBs “pulled a tracy porter” because of his motion. again, that’s 16 INTs compared to 9,200+ passing yards.
    - “Volin explains that Tebow didn’t want to change his mechanics in 2009 for fear of hurting Florida’s chances of winning a national title.”
    NO KIDDING!!! here’s a kid that puts TEAM before ME and all you can do is attack him and his coach 3x day.
    think about it again, people. all of this criticism due to the fact that a player, and a head coach, thought more about the TEAM concept and TEAM goals than one particular individual.
    florio should just stop watching college football. this relentless criticism shows he obviously has no concept of what it is supposed to be. his mentality not only threatens to ruin college football, but the “me first” approach is the single largest negative most people express about the pro game as well.
    tebow’s throwing motion might be able to change significantly but here are two things that will never, ever change.
    (1) west virginia being a 2nd rate football school in a 2nd rate conference in a 3rd rate town in a dying state. yes, i’ve been to a WVU home game. it was completely underwhelming. barely 2/3 full stadium (and a dump of a stadium at that, just like its surroundings), lousy weather, uninvolved crowd.
    (2) urban meyer is a better football coach than anybody west virginia has ever employed or will ever employ.
    ps – hysterical, but not the least bit surprising, that MDS had to write yesterday’s post about sam wyche gushing all over tebow and comparing him to montana and esiason.

  32. realitypolice says: Feb 24, 2010 1:39 PM

    Rdowb says:
    February 24, 2010 1:13 PM
    The problem with his motion has nothing to do with the the fact it’s ‘weird’. Phillips Rivers has a weird throwing motion but it’s compact, quick, and has a good release point. He leaves little room for the ball to swiped out/tipped/knocked down.
    =========================
    Thank you for making this point. When the Tebow/Rivers comparisons started flowing in, I was astounded. Whatever questions there were about Rivers’ mechanics, they were obviously very minor. From the moment he became eligible for the draft, there was no expert anywhere who had him outside the Top-10, and he was drafted 4th. Comparisons to Tebow, who no one is projecting in the first round, and most aren’t projecting until at least the third, is ludicrous.

  33. iCan'tBurSuperman says: Feb 24, 2010 1:40 PM

    Here’s a quick question. Why has no one mentioned that he could have been working on his fundamentals during the 8 MONTHS of offseason each year??? He would have been ready to start the season as a better qb than the previous year, which would have only helped florida’s chances to win, not harmed them. I was a college athlete, I know there are rules regulating how much a coach can work with a player each week during the offseason, but if Meyer would have given him drills to do, Tebow would have taken it upon himself to work hard and improve on his own. I think Meyer should have been doing this to improve florida’s chance to win AND help his qb’s future.

  34. Gatorfan1 says: Feb 24, 2010 1:42 PM

    As if coaches don’t already have enough to worry about an article like this appears.
    I can’t wait to see coaches band together and criticize this “moronic” piece of trash!!!
    This just put a “bulls eye” on every coach at every level to be blamed when a kid doesn’t reach his “full” potential.
    There never has been one coach who couldn’t be blamed in the same unfair manner as Meyer has been.
    Way to go Florio, you just gave coaches another reason why it sucks to coach now.
    NOW every freaking parent who is a “hanger on” to a potential recruit, living his life through his kid (sound familiar Seantrel Henderson) will have a coach to blame.
    Gee, I wonder how long it will be before we start seeing the commercials from law firms asking that “if you too didn’t reach your athletic potential because of your coach” you are entitled to damages & monetary awards. Please contact us.
    Just call Wanker, Wanker & Wanker for your “free” consultation, because you have rights!!!

  35. Florio-is-a-tool says: Feb 24, 2010 1:48 PM

    I think in this case Jesus failed Mr. Tebow.

  36. Dbuck says: Feb 24, 2010 1:52 PM

    Urban’s job is to win at UF and nothing else? If you want to keep on running players into the ground and taking advantage of them, go right ahead and see how far it takes you in the future.
    If you think you can ride kids so you can pad your resume and give them nothing in return, you’ve got a nice little reality check coming.

  37. dabarber says: Feb 24, 2010 1:59 PM

    Meyer was paid to coach a TEAM and win games for the University of Florida–not help ONE player improve his draft stock and move him up a few spots.
    Why can’t you understand that Florio?

  38. No-Neck says: Feb 24, 2010 2:04 PM

    The Gator homers need to take off their orange and blue shades and see that Tebow is currently not a good NFL prospect. Both Meyer and Tebow are both equally at fault. Will l this hurt recruiting? No. Exhibit A – Meyer’s #1 recruiting class for 2010. Thre are plenty of good college QBs who do not make it in the NFL. Just look at the last 30 years of Heisman QBs. However, what will hurt recruiting is when the talking heads on ESPN start spouting their ignorant opinions that Meyer cannot coach players into the NFL. Then perception can become reality, and Meyer may lose a few 5-stars in the future.

  39. Corkscrew says: Feb 24, 2010 2:09 PM

    NoKoolAidCowboy said: “Going to be interesting to see how the “annointed one” handles going on the field as a pro.
    LBs must be salivating at being the first to give him a big ‘ol welcome to the NFL. lol”
    NoKoolAidCowboy: Have you ever actually seen Tim Tebow? You think LB’s are salivating? Initially, I think Tebow’s primary use in the NFL will be to pick up short yardage and those so-called salivating LB’s will be taking the brunt of it.

  40. bakaduin says: Feb 24, 2010 2:11 PM

    You dislike of the University of Florida is palpable. After seeing them as one of the winningest football teams of the last few years you are grabbing on to any little flaw you can in hopes of tearing them down.
    Unfortunately I’m going to be back here to say I told you so in a year. Why? Because a guy you probably know nothing about, John Brantley, is going to light the world on fire with more of a pro style.
    You keep mentioning how Tebow’s handling is bound to hurt Florida recruiting yet we just signed the #1 class in the country. Guess it had a big effect.

  41. cbrianwatkins says: Feb 24, 2010 2:17 PM

    Reasonable says:
    February 24, 2010 1:36 PM
    To cbrianwatkins
    You do realise Florida is in the SEC right?
    you say,”i’d say 2-3 DB’s he played against, make it in the NFL”
    If you mean per year from the SEC then I would agree. He has played against 10-15 current and future NFL CB’s.
    I do realise those are college #’s. To me you look at his body of work, work ethic, intangables ect.
    ————————————————–
    you do realize, that REALIZE is spelled with a Z not an S right?
    glad we got that out of the way
    i dont care what conference he plays in to be honest, (lets not forget Tebow has lost to the big-10 in a bowl game)
    anyway, yes i meant a year, and his body of work (college, in a spread offense) is nice, his work ethic is great, but if that was the case for making the NFL, we’d have alot of people signed who currently are selling cars

  42. this class sucks says: Feb 24, 2010 2:24 PM

    Everyone who is saying “Meyer is paid to coach a team and win games” is missing something. Winning games starts where? Recruiting. If Tebow goes low in the draft and disappears into virgin air, than every other coach (not just ones in the SEC) will be explaining that to the next generation of would be little Gators.
    Now that we all understand that Tebow’s draft stock will effect the Gator program, lets think about how much this really is Meyer’s fault. Here is one thing I don’t think anyone understands, if it was easy to fix Tebow’s mechanics wouldn’t he have done it already? If there was some quick, easy way to make Tebow into a passable pro style QB wouldn’t Meyer have done it? If it only takes six weeks to fix your throwing motion (like the Tebow propaganda machine called ESPN would have us all believe) wouldn’t it be worth it for Meyer to spend a month in a half during the off season, or instruct Tebow on how, and who to hire, to fix the debacle that is his throwing motion? I think we are all assuming that Tebow CAN fix his motion, when in reality its not that simple. People can modify their motion but to out and out change your motion is a very difficult and risky task. This certainly not apples to apples but remember when Barry Zito changed his throwing motion and went from Cy Young winner, to creepy guy who drinks his urine every morning (yes really)?

  43. F*DeSmithANDObama says: Feb 24, 2010 2:29 PM

    Watching Tim Tebow is like watching womens basketball. I like basketball, I LOVE women… but I can’t stand watching women play basketball. The form is just not right and it doesn’t look good. The same with Tebow. He’s a great guy who tries hard. He may have been playing QB for Florida Technically, but in reality, he was just a full back who threw to the fastest athletes in the country. Never read defenses, never audibled, never threw a damn spiral.
    To a gator fan he was the Saviour. But then again, Gator fans where jean-shorts.

  44. shaggytoodle says: Feb 24, 2010 2:32 PM

    Quick history lesson on FLA Qbs. DONT DRAFT THEM, they very rarely pan out, just ask Rex Grossman and some others. Quick lesson on Meyer, don’t draft his QB’s ask the 9ers how Alex Smith has been treating them.

  45. cbrianwatkins says: Feb 24, 2010 2:33 PM

    one other thing that i didnt see mentioned, which to me, when playing QB (especially at such a high level) is much more important than a throwing motion
    THE PLAYACTION PASS
    not sure how many have played QB but it is probably the hardest thing to do, fake a handoff while your back is facing defenders/WR’s and then turning back around, to figure out where everyone is, who is open, who is not, who has man coverage, who is doubled up etc etc etc
    this you can’t learn overnight

  46. ClownBurger says: Feb 24, 2010 2:34 PM

    Man Florio, you really come across as an ass sometimes.
    They won 2 national championships with Tebow at the helm. Yeah, he sure did a bad job with Tim Tebow!.
    Read my opening sentence again and capitalize the ASS.

  47. Evil Sean says: Feb 24, 2010 2:36 PM

    Isn’t a college Head Football coach’s job to WIN FOOTBALL GAMES? It’s not to prepare kids for the NFL. Jim Tressel has been trying to do that by forcing Terrell Pryor into a conventional offense to largely diminished results for two years. Urban Meyer did the right thing for his football team AND for Tim Tebow. Tebow never would have won the Heisman as a sophomore if he was learning to take snaps under center, throw overhand and run a pro-style offense.

  48. xacvol says: Feb 24, 2010 2:50 PM

    Yeah, its not Urban’s job to get players ready for the NFL, but Im pretty sure its a selling point used to sway some of his recruits.

  49. DCPowerGator says: Feb 24, 2010 2:50 PM

    wow, so its up to four now, florio, joey sunshine, ben volin (whoever the hell that is) and the guy whose opinion florio finds so worthy he refers to him as “meatball.”
    here’s something tebow haters and meyer bashers have never addressed. what exactly was there to improve in his college career?
    - the nation’s leading pass efficiency rating in 2009 (one of the highest ever posted btw)?
    - 16 INTs in 3 years of starting? doesn’t sound like too many DBs “pulled a tracy porter” because of his motion. again, that’s 16 INTs compared to 9,200+ passing yards.
    - “Volin explains that Tebow didn’t want to change his mechanics in 2009 for fear of hurting Florida’s chances of winning a national title.”
    NO KIDDING!!! here’s a kid that puts TEAM before ME and all you can do is attack him and his coach 3x day.
    think about it again, people. all of this criticism due to the fact that a player, and a head coach, thought more about the TEAM concept and TEAM goals than one particular individual.
    florio should just stop watching college football. this relentless criticism shows he obviously has no concept of what it is supposed to be. his mentality not only threatens to ruin college football, but the “me first” approach is the single largest negative most people express about the pro game as well.
    tebow’s throwing motion might be able to change significantly but here are two things that will never, ever change.
    (1) west virginia being a 2nd rate football school in a 2nd rate conference in a 3rd rate town in a dying state. yes, i’ve been to a WVU home game. it was completely underwhelming. barely 2/3 full stadium (and a dump of a stadium at that, just like its surroundings), lousy weather, uninvolved crowd.
    (2) urban meyer is a better football coach than anybody west virginia has ever employed or will ever employ.
    ps – hysterical, but not the least bit surprising, that MDS had to write yesterday’s post about sam wyche gushing all over tebow and comparing him to montana and esiason.

  50. cbrianwatkins says: Feb 24, 2010 2:59 PM

    bakaduin says:
    February 24, 2010 2:11 PM
    You keep mentioning how Tebow’s handling is bound to hurt Florida recruiting yet we just signed the #1 class in the country. Guess it had a big effect.
    ———————————————–
    #1 class? really?
    http://rivals100.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?SID=0

  51. krpgator says: Feb 24, 2010 3:01 PM

    I have never seen more being read into one player EVER in my life. It’s a joke to blame Tim or Urban for his “flawed” mechanics. They stuck with what worked at that level and had tremendous success. You know how many top basbeall prospect pitchers, dominate without the use of an off speed pitch in their aresenal of pitches, even though they know that if they reach the big leagues they will need one. Aa college coach isnt going to make their player work in a new pitch and have it cost them games along the way as it progresses. Thats what the pro ball coaches are for, I see it the same way with Tebow during his time at FL. I think he will do at the next level with the right team and coaching, time will tell

  52. JimmyY says: Feb 24, 2010 3:13 PM

    Since Mr. Education cbrian is into correcting someone’s spelling, how about the fact he never can capitalize a sentence or use periods to end one? Idiot, don’t be attacking someone else just because you’re too lazy to put a period at the end of a sentence.

  53. krpgator says: Feb 24, 2010 3:29 PM

    Also, this whole thing about FL QB’s are never good in the next level is BS. You could say Stoops has never put out a good qb, dont draft Bradford. ND hasen put out a good QB since Montana, dont draft Clasussen, FSU, OSU, LSU, AL, UT(dont tell me vince young is good yet) etc, etc …most top programs dont put out NFL calibar qb’s it’s hit or miss with most. All it takes is one and the critics are silenced, like UM and Brady.

  54. BTTGATOR1123 says: Feb 24, 2010 3:34 PM

    Though his long release will hurt him. I think the fact he doesn’t read threw his progressions well ( tended to only check his first or second option )and his ability to read defenses is much worse. The only time he threw well from the pocket was when he had all the time in the world, otherwise he tended to roll out to throw the ball. I am surprised he doesn’t get more criticism about these points then he does about his throwing motion.

  55. kbtegp says: Feb 24, 2010 3:54 PM

    For this argument to be valid, you must first assume that Meyer is responsible for getting Tebow ready to play at the next level. The straightforward explanation is that it wasn’t “fixed” because it didn’t need to be on the collge level. Meyer’s job was to win football games for the University of Florida, not supply a pro-ready quartback after four years.

  56. Big Stretch says: Feb 24, 2010 4:39 PM

    # Caldon says: February 24, 2010 1:38 PM
    I love how big stretch (and others) says its not in his job description, goes to the trouble of actually posting a job description and then ignores line 1
    recruit, TRAIN AND COACH members of the fooball team.
    So unless you think training and coaching does not involve making a player better (and if you don’t I feel real sorry for your lack of IQ), then well…yeah.
    —————————————————–
    I’m the idiot? so Urban Meyer did not coach and train his team to a national championship? and he did not coach and train Tim TeBlow to a heisman trophy? nor did he coach or train him to be considered by many as arguably one of the top 5 college QBs ever?
    My point is that it is not his job to provide training that will make TeBlow successful in the NFL, that what the NFL coach’s job is.

  57. anaconda4202000 says: Feb 24, 2010 4:55 PM

    All of you that are saying “Meyer has no responsibility to make Tebow a NFL ready qb” are missing the boat. If you want blue chip qb’s to keep coming to florida, he had better care about developing them into NFL ready players. This will really hurt in recruiting. Terrelle Pryor picked OSU over michigan and oregon because he saw what they did with troy smith as far as making him a draftable qb, and he was just an athlete coming out of high school. If you don’t develop your blue chip athletes into NFL ready guys, THE WILL STOP COMING. Period. The fact that Tebow said his release was NEVER brought up by the florida staff is pretty damning. If you don’t care enough about a kid’s future to make him better, it will be used against you. If you are the #1 qb in high school, why go to a school that dosen’t care about preparing you for a job after college. Thats what college is for!!!

  58. kbtegp says: Feb 24, 2010 5:43 PM

    You’re missing the point. Tebow’s release wasnt brought up because it wasnt an issue at the college level.The argument is that Meyer is responsible for for training Tebow to be a quarterback in the NFL – he isnt. He is responsible for getting National Championships for the Gators. Obviously, having players excel at the next level helps recruiting players for the Championships. However, given the success of Tebow as a college QB and the success of the program while Tebow was there, any of you that think Meyer, or any other coach, is going to make a radical change in the way Tebow approaches the game are crazy. Players coming out of highschool want sunshine blown up there asses and want to made to think they are a superstar. “Gee Timmy, you’ve really well in HS but your going to have to relearn the position if you want to play for me” is a guarantee that Tebow ends up in Alabama – or wherever he was considering. Tebow’s release wasn’t discussed by anybody during either Championship run or while he was acceptiong the Heisman.

  59. Bious says: Feb 24, 2010 6:26 PM

    Meyer only cares about winning games, period
    He couldn’t care less about preparing guys for the NFL
    Ask Alex Smith how prepared he was

  60. mediumlebowski says: Feb 26, 2010 1:37 PM

    Is that really all you have to do to get a bigger hot dog? Sign me up! Unless you didn’t mean wiener…

  61. Michelob says: Mar 3, 2010 4:23 PM

    To eveyone that says it is Meyer’s job to Win games not prepare Tebow for the NFL. You are correct, however to win at the college level you biggest asset is the ability to recruit top talent. If Meyer and/or Florida get a rep for not getting their QBs to be ready for the NFL, can hurt his ability to recruit some players.
    That being said, I do believe that QB is the one position that a school can have non NFL caliber talent and still be a competative school at the elite level. I also don’t think that Tebow’s failure at the NFL level will hurt Meyer or the Gators. Most people knew that Tebow’s game did not translate well to the pro game. It was talked about after his Hiesman year and again after he did not delcare draft eligable after his junior year.

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