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Tebow's autograph costs $160

ncf_a_tebow_sy_300.jpgOn March 5, former Florida quarterback Tim Tebow will take a break from his Extreme Makeover:  Long, Looping Throwing Motion That Isn’t His College Coach’s Fault Edition to use his left arm for a different purpose.

Signing autographs.

But autographin’ ain’t free.  In this case, the fee for Tebow’s John Hancock is $160, according to the Florida Times-Union.

A “large portion” of the proceeds go to the Tim Tebow Foundation, but the “large portion” isn’t specified.  It’s also possible that an equally “large portion” will go into Tebow’s pocket.

We can’t say we blame him.  If he can’t change that catapult into a slingshot, he’ll need all the non-football money he can muster.

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  1. Florio-is-a-tool says: Feb 26, 2010 7:16 AM

    That’s about how much Jesus would charge so it’s a fair price.

  2. gbditka says: Feb 26, 2010 7:16 AM

    Danny Wuerffel needs to address this at the next Gator Alumni “I wasn’t good enough for the NFL” Golf Tournament

  3. Chapnasty2 says: Feb 26, 2010 7:18 AM

    If he is such a good person he would donate it all. He is after all the second coming of christ.

  4. Brownwood26 says: Feb 26, 2010 7:28 AM

    Wow, that’s only about $160 more than I’m willing to spend…

  5. SixBurgh6 says: Feb 26, 2010 7:29 AM

    Hahahahaha.
    It’s going to be rough transitioning from the darling of the nation to a lowly stockboy, huh Tebow? Better soak it up while the shine is still on you!

  6. shinsnake says: Feb 26, 2010 7:29 AM

    Wow, you liberals must really hate this guy if this is a top story. I mean, I can’t remember the last time another famous athlete charged for autographs and pictures. Maybe next you guys can create a list of athletes you wish were scrubbed from history and Tebow will be on the same list as Rae Carruth, Leonard Little, and Pacman Jones.
    But for those smart, budget driven autograph seekers, just wait for Timmy to make it to training camp, go to a practice, and get the autograph for free. Then if you want to make a donation to his foundation, do that separately. Like I do when I want an autograph….from any other athlete in the world…who also charges for autograph and picture sessions…

  7. tatum32 says: Feb 26, 2010 7:32 AM

    We’ll see how long that autograph will go for. I’ll say this, the media really is pushing for this guy to succeed. He has been on NFL Network twice (once at the Senior Bowl, and once at the combine with Mayock and Mariucci) and he isnt even throwing at the combine! He better light it up at Florida’s Pro Day.

  8. Chapnasty2 says: Feb 26, 2010 7:37 AM

    @ shin
    It isn’t about politics or political affiliation unless you want to compare the love affair of the media for him to Obama’s. People just can’t stand being bombarded by Tebow constantly and that is why we speak up.

  9. gopher says: Feb 26, 2010 7:42 AM

    This must be a cut in pay from his days at Florida.

  10. Crowder911 says: Feb 26, 2010 7:46 AM

    what an idiot…. he will be the first round hyped-third round-RYAN LEAF
    go play with that orca in orlando Tebow
    ps: i would pay 160 for tebows chicks fun bags

  11. mnmaverick says: Feb 26, 2010 7:48 AM

    The autograph business is a joke. Nobodies signature is more valuable than anyone elses.
    I don’t care what anyone’s status is in life, we are all human beings.

  12. Cushing Will Kill You says: Feb 26, 2010 7:53 AM

    So does mine. Any takers?

  13. medic406 says: Feb 26, 2010 7:58 AM

    I would pay that ….but unfortunately I am currently having to save up for an abortion.

  14. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 8:02 AM

    It’s smart – he’s at the peak of his fame so you have to cash in now.
    And if he donates even 1% of it to charity, then that is more than most people are doing.
    Shinsnake – this is not necessarily a “liberal” issue, Americans don’t like frauds and athletes who beat their teams. So I would guess most of the negative comments are coming from TN, GA, AL, SC, etc. who can’t wait to pounce.
    At least he isn’t using a special needs kid as a prop to sell more autographs. That would be offensive.
    I still hope he makes it as an NFL player.

  15. JollyRoger says: Feb 26, 2010 8:04 AM

    In a way, it’s like an investment. You pay $160. If Tebow is successful, then the value of that autograph will soar. If he sucks, it’ll be worth a whole lot less.

  16. Bender says: Feb 26, 2010 8:05 AM

    $160 bucks for the biggest bust since Ryan Leaf? Thats a deal man, this is going to be history.

  17. Duck Fallas says: Feb 26, 2010 8:07 AM

    shinsnake
    Why do all you conservatives always jump onto calling everyone who disagrees liberals? What does that even have to do with this? That’s why the big tent is hemorrhaging teabaggers.
    To get back to the subject – he needs to get paid since he won’t be getting 1st, 2nd or even 3rd round money. Maybe 4th if he’s lucky. The Tim Tebow Foundation sounds like a spinoff of the Human Fund.

  18. Big Stretch says: Feb 26, 2010 8:14 AM

    douche bag

  19. wvugrad00 says: Feb 26, 2010 8:14 AM

    good for him, if others can make money from signed memorberial then he should be able to make some coin for signing shit. I would be fine if all 160 went into his pocket

  20. medic406 says: Feb 26, 2010 8:20 AM

    I want to clarify my previous post. I don’t want you guys to worry, the abortion is not for me, I was already born years ago.

  21. HarrisonHits says: Feb 26, 2010 8:23 AM

    And people were stupid enough to pay for it ? Deserve what they get, a valueless scrawl from an greedy guy who will never make it in the nfl.

  22. Legend says: Feb 26, 2010 8:26 AM

    Calm down. This appears to be a signing event. It’s not like the story is saying this is how he’ll handle a 12 year old kid at curbside who runs up to him with a napkin and a papermate. Obviously people who would attend this signing event will have the dough and will be willing to pay the jack for whatever their personal reasons are. Knowing Tebow, he’ll be signing them for free going into and out of the location. He might as well leverage his “celebrity” for a good cause, or even personal reasons while he can.
    Now, if he starts putting his hand out for $160 for an autograph while he’s at the McDonald’s… then I’ll jump on board with you bashers.

  23. jj jones says: Feb 26, 2010 8:28 AM

    The sad thing is that most of the Jacksonville rednecks that will pay the $160 for his autograph can barely keep a roof over their head and their teeth in their mouth.

  24. Pack_Attack says: Feb 26, 2010 8:36 AM

    I recently met Gale Sayers, Paul Hornung and Jerry Kramer and didnt pay that much for all three..

  25. i'm just a bill, yeah i'm only a bill says: Feb 26, 2010 8:36 AM

    i’ve never heard of athletes charging for autographs?

  26. midwest says: Feb 26, 2010 8:37 AM

    @mooch
    “Americans don’t like frauds and athletes who beat their teams. So I would guess most of the negative comments are coming from TN, GA, AL, SC, etc. who can’t wait to pounce.”
    ______________________________________
    Not real sure why you would include AL in that statement. Unless you live under a rock, AL “walked the dog” all over Tebow and his team.
    In the grand scheme of things, Tebow isn’t even the best Gator QB ever. One SEC Championship as a three year starter? At least Weurffel had four SEC Championships as a four years starter.
    I just don’t get the hype!

  27. smiley says: Feb 26, 2010 8:41 AM

    He’s a good kid and I think Mooch is right…it’s going ot take him a couple of years to get comfortable in the NFL. After claiming to live the lifestyle people are waiting for him to slip up. The locker room is a different place than the outside world, and that’s at any level. $160 for an autograph?…..no thanks. But I wouldn’t pay for any autograph. Hail!!

  28. Obeah says: Feb 26, 2010 8:51 AM

    One Tim Tebow word. HYPOCRITE

  29. Big Stretch says: Feb 26, 2010 8:52 AM

    # medic406 says: February 26, 2010 7:58 AM
    I would pay that ….but unfortunately I am currently having to save up for an abortion.
    ——————————————————-
    it’s only 8:52am in florida and that might be the funniest thing i read or hear all day.

  30. Tom says: Feb 26, 2010 8:54 AM

    This guy has been told his entire life that he is special and knows without a doubt people are lined up just to gaze at his face as he passes. The people that feel faint at his appearance need to get a life.

  31. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 8:56 AM

    I would give Tebow $200 to shovel my driveway! This winter sucks!

  32. Rex Grossman says: Feb 26, 2010 9:00 AM

    $160 for a signature. WTF. He better take me out to Applebees after this!

  33. TheWizard says: Feb 26, 2010 9:01 AM

    That’s why the big tent is hemorrhaging teabaggers.
    That’s why you get called a liberal.
    You can’t win any debate on merit, so you and your ilk resort to vulgar name calling.
    You answered your own question, just not quite smart enough to know it.

  34. TheWizard says: Feb 26, 2010 9:04 AM

    Christians are allowed profit too, people.
    I don’t think they take a vow of poverty.

  35. bearsrule says: Feb 26, 2010 9:06 AM

    # Tom says: February 26, 2010 8:54 AM
    ‘This guy has been told his entire life that he is special and knows without a doubt people are lined up just to gaze at his face as he passes. The people that feel faint at his appearance need to get a life.”
    Born in a manger with a big star in the sky.

  36. Tony in Jax says: Feb 26, 2010 9:07 AM

    The guy has done nothing but the right thing so far, so I’m gonna cut him a break on this one for a few reasons:
    1) Athletes don’t set the price of their signings – the host business and the agents do
    2) A large sum will be donated – wait and see how much Tim actually pockets himself before blasting the guy. There are always costs to any function; he’s not charging kids at the stadium if you know what I mean. He probably will donate all of the portion that is coming his way.
    3) The majority of the people getting his autograph will be professional collectors – if they want to pay for a back-up QB’s signature, then good on them. These are the same people that hire kids at the games to get shit signed by athletes, and a major reason why it’s tough as hell to get something signed these days.
    This is what I think today. Tomorrow if I read that he has totally quit signing for fans, like other players, then I will redact everything I said previously. And those of you who say that Danny W. didn’t charge for autographs are wrong – Danny didn’t charge because he was never asked to.

  37. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 9:13 AM

    Wizard, you have a mental disorder where everyone that disagrees with you on any given topic must be a political enemy.
    I agreed with your original point, and I would be considered “to the left” in today’s GOP (as would Reagan, if his record were fully evaluated by you for a few minutes…the current party has moved way far to the right of RR).
    So, that was the poster’s point.

  38. Duck Fallas says: Feb 26, 2010 9:16 AM

    Hey Wiz, thanks for your input. You really bring a lot to the table. Liberals didn’t invent vulgarity in politics.
    Conservatives have no original ideas, so like little children during the terrible 2′s all they can say is “No!” They care more for their political power than for the country.
    Matthew 19:21-22: “Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.”
    So I take it you (and Tebow) will be giving it all away then.

  39. GoCaps8 says: Feb 26, 2010 9:21 AM

    He’s gonna need all the money he can get when he’s out of football.

  40. homercles82 says: Feb 26, 2010 9:38 AM

    Tebow isn’t the second coming of Christ. All of you making fun of him for his Christian beliefs need to do some serious soul searching.
    I know it is hard for you to grasp the concept.

  41. last starfighter says: Feb 26, 2010 9:39 AM

    # Florio-is-a-tool says: February 26, 2010 7:16 AM
    That’s about how much Jesus would charge so it’s a fair price.
    —————————————————————–
    LOL!
    TheWizard says: February 26, 2010 9:04 AM
    Christians are allowed profit too, people.
    I don’t think they take a vow of poverty.
    ————————————————————–Actually Jesus (the original socialist imo) states in the gospels that to enter the kingdom of the Lord you need to give away all of your earthly belongings. Some people who claim to be christians like to dig up old testament quotes about the sinfulness of being gay and then convieniently ignore half of the stuff Jesus actually said when trying to justify the politics of selfishness.

  42. JJCheesehead says: Feb 26, 2010 9:41 AM

    even with proceeds going to the tebow foundation, thats still not a tax writeoff.

  43. tudefit says: Feb 26, 2010 9:49 AM

    Actually I think it should be pointed out when athletes pull this kind of crap. Quinn did it when he was holding out and it hurt him for some time and he learned from it. Charging kids for a signature is ridiculous and petty no matter what anyone here wants to say.
    There are plenty of athletes that do not adhere to this practice. Maybe that should be the focus of an article someday. As to a host business or agent setting the price, the athlete knows what is being charged.
    I’m dating myself but I still remember as a kid going to a local store and Lou Groza signed an autograph and spoke to me while doing so. On the flip side, my daughter wanted an autograph from an Indians player I don’t even remember a long time back and it cost 10 bux. She stood in line, the shirt she had was given to a person standing there, who handed it to the player, who then signed it and handed it back to the person who gave it to my daughter. It was like a assembly line. He never looked up and said squat to any of the kids.

  44. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 9:50 AM

    Uh, the scriptures clearly distinguish between “net” and “gross” riches.
    Paul’s Letter to the Hamptons (IV, 36-44):
    “And, lo, the Lord said: write off your shore house as a secondary office, and thy Lexus as a company car. Know that your Almighty God finds this pleasing. And do not forget the tax shelters to be found in the Holy Land of Cayman, for there the Shepard shall protect your financial flock. And if you can torture some brown people with funny sounding last names, go for it!”
    The American megachurches are for-profit enterprises that stand in start contrast with Christ’s teachings. Heaven will be empty.

  45. shinsnake says: Feb 26, 2010 9:57 AM

    Chapnasty2
    I can’t stand Tebow either, mostly for the reasons you listed. But there’s plenty of overexposed people out there and they don’t get criticized for charging for autographs and pictures. So what does that leave? That his mother didn’t abort him? I know too many liberals, they get pissed off about someone not being a liberal, so even stuff that is completely apolitical annoys them and they react like Florio did here.
    Also, just to be clear, Jesus is completely apolitical, but he would be wholly against socialism as it causes you to submit to the state instead of the Lord. You can’t replace God with the State, Christ always talked about that. In fact, that’s why he started his own ministry because of the Jewish leaders putting themselves before God (back then, not now). Jesus talked often about false prophets, fake idols and rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. He also argued that the only law you needed to follow was God’s law, so I’m guessing you (@last starfighter) are one of those people who support a theological based government? Sorry, count me out of that. God’s word is a journey to realization, it can’t be forced on you through a state administration.

  46. Jagmankane says: Feb 26, 2010 10:01 AM

    awesome how this turned into a discussion on politics AND religion.
    goody. let me join in
    The government (both ends of it) is criminalistic. Constitution? HA! yeah, they follow that to the “t”. Find me the law that says I, a working citizen whom earns WAGES must pay an INCOME tax.
    Socialism and Communism work great if you don’t like controlling your own life.
    Democracy works great…. wonder what ever happened to that?
    Oh… and there is no God. That is all.

  47. KingGator13 says: Feb 26, 2010 10:04 AM

    Clearly Tebow has always been about the money??…. He stayed all 4 years, UF made a mint off him, part of 2 SEC Titles and 2 NC’s, he gives of his time year round to charity, and a bunch of nimrods on a blog are pissed that he’s doing a fundraiser… et tu Florio – maybe you’d like a signed picture for your auction.. aren’t you the same guy that hammered Harvin this time last year – wasn’t he ROY on offense? Not that I think Tebow will have anywhere near that success in the NFL, but really – busting his chops for a paid appearence/fundraiser… or are you just trying to get under J Taylor’s (of CFBT) thin Gator skin? Go Gators!

  48. Dawgpound2009 says: Feb 26, 2010 10:09 AM

    One hundred sixty dollars for a autograph ? Well that is $158.02 more than the Browns could get by trading brady quinn or derek anderson this off season even though both probably will have better careers than Tebow in the pros.

  49. Chapnasty2 says: Feb 26, 2010 10:15 AM

    @ duck
    Did you happen to see our arrogant president yesterday? He thinks he is so high and mighty it doesn’t matter what is opposition might have to contribute. Again, both groups and parties have their extremes but to say one doesn’t is either ignorance or stupidity. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are politically ignorant, and before you get angry, it is a common disease in this country, I blame the media, MTV and celebrities.

  50. shotgungrandpa says: Feb 26, 2010 10:20 AM

    Tim Tebow can kiss my florio.

  51. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Feb 26, 2010 10:24 AM

    Is this amateurbibletalk.com? or maybe I stumbled onto juniorvarsitypoliticaltalk.com?

  52. Seeryer says: Feb 26, 2010 10:30 AM

    Bob Tebow tought his boy one very important lesson. Pimp yourself out constantly because nobody is more gullible when it comes to their money than true believing Christians. And no one will call you out on it because it is for the charities and for JESUS. Organized religion is a racket.

  53. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 10:40 AM

    Chap – what, exactly, do they have to contribute? They’ve been asked 100 times and just refuse to answer.
    They have nothing. They do not want reform. And that is OK, but why not just be honest about it?
    Instead, they just keep showing how big the bill is in terms of pages – and then saying we need to start over. They already got the biggest concession from the Dems (public option) and just move onto rail about something else they “have to have”.
    They are refusing to engage – something I wish the Dems had done under Bush. So, someone needs to move on without them.
    Just be happy that you have the Ryan Leaf-Tony Mandarich esque combo of Pelosi-Reid to eff it up no matter what the GOP does.
    But, please, feel free to list the GOP “ideas”.

  54. last starfighter says: Feb 26, 2010 10:42 AM

    # Chapnasty2 says: February 26, 2010 10:15 AM
    @ duck
    Did you happen to see our arrogant president yesterday? He thinks he is so high and mighty it doesn’t matter what is opposition might have to contribute. Again, both groups and parties have their extremes but to say one doesn’t is either ignorance or stupidity. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are politically ignorant, and before you get angry, it is a common disease in this country, I blame the media, MTV and celebrities.
    Chapnasty,
    I’m not sure what your problem is. Maybe you have suffered alot of abuse in your life. The opposition as you put it did not bring anything to contribute and spent their time trying to get on TV to say the presidents meeting wasn’t working well before the meeting was even over. You complain about ignorance while you have your head lodged well up your arse. For instance are you aware that Chuck Schumer is suddenly opposed to health care reform he supported just a few months ago? You talk like you’re so enlightened politically but you’re just a partisan who will believe anything they hear from your ilk. Why don’t you wake up?

  55. Florida727 says: Feb 26, 2010 10:43 AM

    I love waiting until late-in-the-game to comment. Here’s why…
    - last starfighter, you should actually learn the Bible before trying to paraphrase its contents; the Bible says nothing about “giving away all your earthly belongings”; it says you need to use them for God’s glory, you can’t take them with you, and whatever you do obtain is a blessing bestowed upon you from God
    - JJCheesehead, YES it is a tax write-off, for him personally, it’s a charitable contribution, obviously you don’t work for the IRS
    - Obeah, the definition of hypocrite, which I’m guessing you don’t know, is “a person who pretends to have morals, virtues, or religious beliefs or principles, that he or she does not actually have, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs”… explain how Tim qualifies… let me help you, you’re an idiot and you can’t
    - i’m just a bill, you’ve never heard of athletes charging for autographs? you’re either joking or an idiot too; it’s a $1+ BILLION dollar industry in America alone… every year… i have over 2,000 pieces of memorabilia, not one of which I’ve paid for, thanks to having worked for CBS Sports for a few years
    - Big Stretch, “douche bag”?, seriously, consider expanding your vocabulary, but be careful, you’re intellect is showing
    - mnmaverick, “nobody’s signature is more valuable than anyone else’s”? you apparently don’t know much about the aforementioned industry; let’s see… michael jordan game-worn shoes signed by #23 himself v. a ryan leaf autographed football… yep, you’re right, i’d pay the same for both… moron… by the way, tell my friend Brian that the autograph business is a joke; he runs 4 auctions a year and pockets in excess of $250,000 each year (i know because i used to volunteer to help him)… how much do you make?
    TheWizard, thanks for your comments. Too bad we have sort through all the stupidity before finding an intelligent post. God bless. – D…

  56. purpleguy says: Feb 26, 2010 10:43 AM

    Word has it the autograph value has slipped to $27 due to the reworking of his signature mechanics.

  57. DCPowerGator says: Feb 26, 2010 10:46 AM

    reckless, feckless rumor mongering. why even say that “an equally large amount may go into his pocket.” really? i mean can you honestly think that is his MO based on his already vast body of charitable work and endeavors?
    seriously, what did this kid ever do to make so many people want to tear him down? is he just “too good for his own good” in that he makes insecure people feel badly about themselves?
    whether or not you agree w/ his politics, the NFL is lucky to have a guy like this, regardless of whether he “succeeds” as a starting QB or not. for a site that loves to chronicle every “day w/o an arrest,” isn’t it nice to know that we just don’t have to worry about some people in that regard? I guarantee you that GMs, who have to dish out guaranteed money to draft picks, give him credit for being a good guy and a hard worker. why can’t you?

  58. Duck Fallas says: Feb 26, 2010 10:49 AM

    Chapnasty2 -
    High and mighty? The President of the United States of America was acting “high and mighty”? Sort out your issues. Don’t worry about my politics. They’ve evolved beyond raw, uninformed emotion. Politics and religion on PFT is just idiocy.

  59. toe-to-toe bird law says: Feb 26, 2010 10:53 AM

    “Get your Tim Tebow black market autographs here for 80 bucks! They’re half the price with 3/4 the authenticity. We got ‘em on napkins, liquor store receipts, spiral notebook pages. You got it, we Tebow-ify it! Be the envy of your Bible study group with a replica Tebow autograph on your copy of the King James. Imitation Tebow autographs, get ‘em while he’s still relevant.”

  60. Legend says: Feb 26, 2010 10:57 AM

    Florio opened this can of worms by reporting this non-story without offering any details or facts – which is, I suppose, fair in this forum. Even if it is regretable. Remember folks, this isn’t a hard-news site – it’s a rumor-mill. Stories here are allowed to be vague and incomplete and every bit as damning or titillating as the writer-gods want them to be.

  61. dsp1899 says: Feb 26, 2010 11:01 AM

    Paying for an autograph is gay especially since football players, hell all athletes make a killing in salary!

  62. doe22us says: Feb 26, 2010 11:02 AM

    Chapnasty it sucks to be you right now. Let’s hope you guys bring in a stronger candidate than Palin or Jin boi, or u would be staring at an easy 7 yr streak. Now to the issue at hand$$$ 160 hmm let me see Pacman and I are going to the scrip club with that sorry Tebow.

  63. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Feb 26, 2010 11:03 AM

    “Oh… and there is no God. That is all”
    Why? Because Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins say so?
    Funny how new athiests want to rip Christians for forcing beliefs on the unbelieving, and then they say emphatically, “there is no God. If you believe in one, you are ignorant and I am your intellectual superior.”
    I don’t force my beliefs on you, please don’t do it to me.

  64. doe22us says: Feb 26, 2010 11:06 AM

    Chapnasty it sucks to be you right now. Let’s hope you guys bring in a stronger candidate than Palin or Jin boi, or u would be staring at an easy 7 yr streak. Now to the issue at hand$$$ 160 hmm let me see Pacman and I are going to the scrip club with that sorry Tebow.

  65. Duck Fallas says: Feb 26, 2010 11:06 AM

    You want to get into informed politics? The GOP wants to waste another year of political posturing before getting another bill to the voting stage, rather than modify the one that has already passed in both houses of Congress.
    Since they love being the Grand Obstructionist Party, the Democrats will likely use a reconciliation vote to pass this bill. Keep in mind that:
    A) The simple majority is all that is required to pass a bill. 60 votes is only necessary to end filibuster (obstruction), which the GOP has abused more than at any other time.
    B) The GOP has used the reconciliation tactic twice as much as the Democrats in the past 2 decades. Its a standard maneuver when the majority’s hand is forced.

  66. Chapnasty2 says: Feb 26, 2010 11:16 AM

    @ the haters
    If you think the president loses his repsonsibility to be respectful you are as confused as he is. I didnt bring up politics, in fact I tried to say it wasn’t necessary or applicable to this post. And it still isn’t. And to touch on yesterday, even if the republicans, which I never claimed to be affiliated with, had an idea, Obama would have shot it down without debate. They knew that so why not call it how it is, like they did.
    Move on, I didnt invite debate nor do I want to and I certainly didn’t bring up religion as my faith is irrelevant to politics and more importantly for this forum, PFT. As I have grown older I have noticed that people are more and more sensitive politcally and immediately turn it into a non-factual rant full of hatred and name calling. This is what they do in Washington and look how that works? As citizens, we need to respect eachother and our views except when it comes to football… because the Eagles still suck!

  67. JAG_FAN_JEFF says: Feb 26, 2010 11:18 AM

    Good reporting Florio, lets keep bashing a kid who is actually doing some good in an area other than football.

  68. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 11:20 AM

    “Actually Jesus (the original socialist imo) states in the gospels that to enter the kingdom of the Lord you need to give away all of your earthly belongings.”
    “Earthly belongings” covers everything including food, clothes and shelter. Wouldn’t be too practical to give that up, would it? No. It was never meant to be taken in that context. You’re interpreting it way too literally. The point being made is that you must release the importance of worldly possessions and hold God above them. In Luke, it’s said that all of the Apostles forsook everything and followed Jesus, but they still had their homes, wives, fishing equipment etc. Christians can have wealth but they must be charitable and put their entire faith and love in God, not money or possessions. It’s the same for relationships. Everything. God must be #1 in your heart. Passages on homosexuality are much less ambiguous.
    And no I’m not particularly religious.

  69. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 11:27 AM

    Florida 727…
    What did Jesus comapre a rich man’s and poor man’s chances of getting to heaven? Which faced, in His opinion, the more difficult path?
    You are not a Christian. You are a Republican who made a religion out of their political party.
    So played. I am Catholic. We tried all this 500+ years ago and it ends badly.
    Oh, and are you anti-war? Because Christ said to turn the other cheek. This is why I do not consider myself a follower – it is too difficult to actually adhere to Christ’s teachings. You don’t try, either. But can certainly judge others (soemthing about that in the Bible too, no?).

  70. Jaguar49 says: Feb 26, 2010 11:34 AM

    I love the political and religious debates on PTF. It’s a battle of wits between unarmed combatants.

  71. reformed says: Feb 26, 2010 11:38 AM

    Who in their right mind would want an auotgraph of an unproven athelete, and worse, a whackadoodle religious nut.Is your life so empty, without substance, merit that you need the thin veneer that is “celebrity worship”?? Whats next for you idiots, Paris Hiltons dog?Oh yea, you fools have already consumed that. Makes you feel good, doesnt it???

  72. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 11:43 AM

    Lookit, let’s keep it simple.
    If you believe healthcare is a right, you are on the side of good, and therefore whatever deity you like.
    If you believe healthcare is a privledge, you are on the side of evil, and therefore in violation of Christian teachings.
    But let’s look at this economically. Since sick people are not left to die – they go to the ER and get care on your dime. As a taxpayer, you pay for these people. As a insured person, you pay more in premiums (look at Michigan, rates are on the rise because so many are uninsured).
    In sum – YOU ARE PAYING FOR THE UNINSURED NOW! And, for that matter, paying retail. We have socialized medicine ALREADY, unless you let the uninsured die on the street in front of the hospital.
    The fact that the Chrisitan Right seems to favor that, thet are either immoral or simply ignorant of the economic factors involved. That is all I can conclude.

  73. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 11:50 AM

    “I’m dating myself but I still remember as a kid going to a local store and Lou Groza signed an autograph and spoke to me while doing so. On the flip side, my daughter wanted an autograph from an Indians player I don’t even remember a long time back and it cost 10 bux. She stood in line, the shirt she had was given to a person standing there, who handed it to the player, who then signed it and handed it back to the person who gave it to my daughter. It was like a assembly line. He never looked up and said squat to any of the kids.”
    Autographs weren’t as big of a business as they are now. If you’re going to judge Tebow for charging $160 for an autograph you must also judge those that are willing to pay $160 for his autograph because if he couldn’t get $160, he wouldn’t charge $160. I couldn’t care less if they’re kids or not.

  74. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 12:01 PM

    “Chapnasty it sucks to be you right now. Let’s hope you guys bring in a stronger candidate than Palin or Jin boi, or u would be staring at an easy 7 yr streak.”
    Are you kidding? The Democrats are effing things up so bad the Republicans will be able to nominate Dennis Miller and win by a landslide in ’12. That’s essentially what happened to the Republicans. They screwed things up so bad an elitist junior senator that hasn’t held a real job in his life was elected president even though he really didn’t have a platform except for the “hope” and “change” bullshit. The Democrats are really screwed because they need the independents to win the election, and independents never vote for Democrats… though they will vote against Republicans from time to time. I don’t know what will get their attention if losing a seat that Ted Kennedy sat in for decades didn’t get it.

  75. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 12:04 PM

    “The opposition as you put it did not bring anything to contribute”
    Why should they have? The Democrats have made it clear that they’re ramming this crap through as it’s written with or without Republican support. They don’t want contributions. They want submission.

  76. noshame40 says: Feb 26, 2010 12:14 PM

    It wont matter about tebow’s long looping throw… he wont be an nfl QB anyway hes gonna end up a fullback

  77. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 12:15 PM

    “Chap – what, exactly, do they have to contribute? They’ve been asked 100 times and just refuse to answer. ”
    It’s a rhetorical question. Merely for show.
    “They have nothing. They do not want reform. And that is OK, but why not just be honest about it?”
    See, there’s your problem and it coincides with most liberals’ view. To them, this is health care reform. If you’re against THIS, you’re against reform. That’s not the case. It’s possible to be for reform and against the Dem’s turdy idea of what it takes to accomplish it. That’s how most of the US feels, by the way.
    “Instead, they just keep showing how big the bill is in terms of pages – and then saying we need to start over. They already got the biggest concession from the Dems (public option) and just move onto rail about something else they “have to have”.
    That’s the way politics work.
    The general public is against the “public option”. It wasn’t just a concession that the Reps got from the Dems. There was also a measure of Dems finally becoming fearful for their livelihood because of the public uprising.
    Like Obama said “That’s why we have elections”, right?
    “They are refusing to engage”
    Right, they’re refusing to engage like a hitchhiker refuses to hop a ride on a car that tries to blow past them at 80mph.
    “something I wish the Dems had done under Bush. So, someone needs to move on without them.”
    So you’re an advocate of doing something really fast just for the sake of having done something?
    Where does the public’s opinion play into this?
    “But, please, feel free to list the GOP “ideas”. ”
    The main one is doing everything they can to not let a huge, potentially harmful and definitely rushed piece of legislation get passed against the will of the American people.

  78. BamaBob says: Feb 26, 2010 12:16 PM

    You guys have got it ALL wrong. Tebow isn’t the second coming of Christ. Christ was the first coming of Tebow.

  79. Chapnasty2 says: Feb 26, 2010 12:23 PM

    I don’t recall one election that Democrats have won since Obama has been elected. I am not sur why things would change. Can’t really debate that one since it is the truth so again I am not opening up a debate.

  80. TheWizard says: Feb 26, 2010 12:23 PM

    as would Reagan, if his record were fully evaluated by you
    Preposterous.
    I cut my political teeth during his administration. I know his policies and associations very well.
    Apparently you don’t.

  81. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 12:23 PM

    Vox, so the public option is being rammed through? It was taken off a compromise. This is why you have zero credibility. It is OK if you don’t want reform, just have the conviction to state that that is your goal…instead of lying.
    As for autograph values – it depends on both the fame of the athlete and the frequency they sign. Mickey Mantle, if I recall correctly, is worth little as he signed tons of stuff in order to make $.
    So, if you can get an autograph from someone who never signs them it would be worth more.
    I do not get the whole thing.

  82. TheWizard says: Feb 26, 2010 12:25 PM

    So I take it you (and Tebow) will be giving it all away then.
    I’m not sure what gave you the idea that I’m a Christian.
    Dumbass.

  83. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 12:26 PM

    “You want to get into informed politics? The GOP wants to waste another year of political posturing before getting another bill to the voting stage, rather than modify the one that has already passed in both houses of Congress.”
    What the hell are you talking about? Don’t know if you’ve heard, but two of the three branches of government are overwhelmingly controlled by Democrats and have been for over a year. In fact it was just recently that the Democrats snatched defeat from the jaws of victory when the ultra-liberal state of Massachusetts, which would elect a one-eyed squirrel to office if it ran as a Democrat, decided to take the Democrats’ super-majority away from them.
    You think that it’s posturing on the part of the Republicans that has caused this? Seriously? It’s called “ineptitude on the part of the Democrats”. So thanks guys, in ’12 we will have to pick the lesser of two evils again, as usual. It’ll be whomever the Reps throw out there, not because it’ll be a great choice, but because it won’t be another dumbass Democrat. This country needs a third party so bad. Everybody vote for an independent next time around. Doesn’t matter who. For real, vote for Pol Pot Jr. if you have to.

  84. Booner says: Feb 26, 2010 12:29 PM

    Vox Veritas says, “I’m dating myself but I still remember as a kid going to a local store and Lou Groza signed an autograph and spoke to me while doing so …
    ————————————————–
    Vox, if you didn’t spend so much time on this blog you may be able to date someone other than yourself!

  85. TheWizard says: Feb 26, 2010 12:35 PM

    Since they love being the Grand Obstructionist Party
    You’re parroting liberal media.
    The GOP is the minority in both houses of congress, they can’t stop anything.
    It’s the dem infighting. Blame yourself.
    Now, back to football.

  86. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 12:37 PM

    Reagan…
    …Top tax rate higher than Clinton or Obama, who are SO unfair to the rich.
    …Came out in defense of gay HS teachers when public clamored for them to be fired from their jobs.
    …Withdrew from Lebanon after being attacked because it was right. Or, as you would say “waved the white flag of surrender.”
    …Negotiated with our enemies, the USSR. You would now call that “appeasement”.
    …Championed and signed International Convention Against Torture, which you would say “coddles our enemies”.
    These are all what you would call “liberal” or “socailist” or “weak” when done by Obama.
    Or shall we talk healthcare? Heroes like Margaret Thatcher presiding over a socialist system…or Nixon, who first proposed a publi option FAR larger than what Obama had discussed.
    You have zero idea of the history of your own party. You have some strange notion of the figures you claim to revere.
    In sum, you are a Palinite dum dum.

  87. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 12:40 PM

    Wizard, you lost this same argument months ago when you ran away and hid from these same arguments.
    So, instead of whacking off to a picture of Reagan in a cowboy costume…read a book and learn what he promoted while in public service.
    Or do you have a 4th grade eductaion like the leader of your party? Typical dummy.

  88. Chapnasty2 says: Feb 26, 2010 12:42 PM

    @ Vox
    Don’t bother arguing they aren’t going to get it. Even though the majority of the country doesn’t want healthcare reform and the fact that the bill being debated right now contains an unconstitutional clause that mandates citizens to purchase health insurance or pay a fine or go to jail. Don’t even bother brining up the fact that Obama has no authority at all to write or propose any bills. Don’t even bother brining up that Pelosi and Reid have near record low approval ratings and Obama has dropped to bearly 40%. They either don’t get it, are too stubborn to try to get it, or are just too dumb to get it.
    You cant cure stupid.

  89. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 12:42 PM

    GOP – too dumb to govern.
    Dems – too scared to govern.
    Scott Brown already being attached as a RINO by the same people that supposedly elected them (lazy media reported that tea baggers put him in). Uh, 90% of the state is Dem…who do you think voted for him!!!?!?
    Health care is over, despite yesterday’s political theater. So, let’s move on. And while we are at it, let’s stop calling ourselves a “Christian nation”. Because we ain’t. Not sure what we are, but if I were Christ I’d have some lawyers sending the US a cease and desist against using my name.

  90. reformed says: Feb 26, 2010 12:45 PM

    The comedian Lewis Black has said “republicans can come up with a bad idea and democrats say we can make it shittier”. Much wisdom here. All politicians (yes both sides of the aisle, yes your guy is a smuck to the same extent that thier guy is a smuck) are sleazy, dirty, punks. Why would you align yourself with such felonious filth???

  91. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 12:48 PM

    “What did Jesus comapre a rich man’s and poor man’s chances of getting to heaven? Which faced, in His opinion, the more difficult path?”
    The rich man, but not because he’s rich. Because he’s more likely to love his money more than he loves God. Poor folks don’t have that problem because they’re broke.
    “Oh, and are you anti-war? Because Christ said to turn the other cheek.”
    Right, and the exact meaning of that is up for interpretation. The Bible specifically says “strikes you on the RIGHT cheek”. Why the right cheek, apparently to the exclusion of the left cheek? Could it be because a person that slaps your right cheek is likely doing so with his left hand, and that the left hand was considered dirty in that culture? If so, could this be interpreted as a call to ignore that which is merely insultive? Jesus didn’t give guidance as to what to do if you’re stricken on the left cheek. My personal interpretation is that you’re not supposed to get worked up over insults. Save it for real conflict.
    Not sure why you think it applies to war.
    “I do not consider myself a follower”
    But you say that you’re Catholic. You are a conflicted individual.

  92. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 12:50 PM

    “If you believe healthcare is a right, you are on the side of good, and therefore whatever deity you like.
    If you believe healthcare is a privledge, you are on the side of evil, and therefore in violation of Christian teachings.”
    Wow, what book of the Bible led you to that conclusion?

  93. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 12:54 PM

    Still waiting for the “Ideas”.
    I get the strategy, and it is brutally effective. I wanted to hear all of these “ideas”.
    Still waiting. And waiting. And waiting.

  94. jagsgrl904 says: Feb 26, 2010 12:55 PM

    it is a fund raiser for his foundation, and if any or you tard-haters knew anything you would know that kid is honest as the day is long. Hey, I live in a beautiful beach house in Jax Beach and have all my teeth, even have enough money to keep up with teeth whitening. woo hoo

  95. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 12:58 PM

    “Vox, so the public option is being rammed through? It was taken off a compromise. This is why you have zero credibility.”
    Typical liberal tactic. Put words in a guy’s mouth and declare that he’s not credible. I never said that they were trying to ram the public option through. I said they’re trying to ram the legislation through. It’s all right there, above. It’s never been just about the public option, stupid. What, you think that because the Dems gave up one rotten carrot that the rest of the cartload of rotten carrots should make it to the dinner table?
    0-3gles fans – constantly proving why they’re the dumbest animals in the country.

  96. Duck Fallas says: Feb 26, 2010 12:58 PM

    Wiz – You clearly have the superior intellect, as demonstrated by your comment section name calling. Good show.
    Vox – My God, the Dem’s couldn’t fix a complicated problem that has plagued America for decades in under a year! What a bunch of failures. They should have just voted in lockstep according to party leaders, like the GOP does. Why think for my constituency when I can just vote however Newt Gingrich, Tom Delay or whoever else have decided? To you, thoughtful consideration is ineptitude, and mindless groupthought is decisive.
    You guys need to stick with stupid comments about football.

  97. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 1:02 PM

    Booner says:
    Gotta be just another dumbass 0-3gle fan.
    20-16 in Philly to take their pride
    24-0 to take the division
    34-14 to make McNabb a lame duck
    Four of the last five. Wade Phillips is 5-2 against Andy Reid. Cowboys – 5 Super Bowl wins and second best winning percentage in NFL history. 0-3gles – o Super Bowl wins and an overall losing record. Just like the Lions.
    In short, suck it.

  98. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 1:09 PM

    I can only assume you weren’t schooled at a religious institution, as I was for 13 years – because this is all pretty standard that you are supposed to take care of people in need of help. That’s morality 101.
    A lot of this is the ‘opiate of the masses’ stuff…geared to make people feel that a reward was coming in the afterlife though things were crappy down here.
    But here are some…
    That which you do to the least of my brother, that you do unto me.
    Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
    This guy has a far better collection. Jesus was father to the left than I will ever be.
    http://www.zompist.com/meetthepoor.html

  99. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 1:13 PM

    “Still waiting for the “Ideas”.”
    The Democrats are going to keep waiting because they don’t really want to hear any ideas. They think they have it nailed and have made it clear that they will either gets Republican backing for this bill as it is currently written or move on without them.

  100. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 1:13 PM

    Dum Dum…
    You said that the GOP had been given no consieration. Yet the biggest chip of all was cast aside because they said they couldn’t vote for such an expansion of gov’t.
    So, how can it be said that the GOP is being blocked out by the Dems? The GOP WANTS to be blocked out as the bill will either (a) not pass or (b) form the basis for the midterm elections if it does.
    That is the play, what are you missing?
    There is no GOP alternative. There is no “policy”. Cantor told us months ago he was issuing his own GOP plan. All we got were deficit projections.
    This, desite your inability to read the situation, is going exactly how the GOP wants it.
    And the Dems will drop the ball anyway.

  101. Chapnasty2 says: Feb 26, 2010 1:14 PM

    @ Mooch
    I have a great idea… let’s not try to unconstitutionally force citizens to purchase something? Let’s work on tort reform so ambulance chasers like Florio have to switch to football blogs. Let’s not tax everyone who busts their tails working so they have to pay for those who are either unwilling to or unable to do it themselves. These are just 3 basic ideas. Healthcare is not a right, it isn’t listed in our constitution which let’s you and I know what our rights really are. Regardless of what you may think, just because you want to do something doesn’t mean you have a right to it.

  102. Duck Fallas says: Feb 26, 2010 1:16 PM

    Wiz – Republican filibuster does not equal Democratic infighting. You need to pay more attention.
    Chap – You’re quoting conveniently worded poll answers. Americans want healthcare reform, but they don’t want the strawman facets (no one is proposing “death panels”, insuring illegals or paying for abortions) that have been projected by the minority to kill the bill. You fell for it.
    Presidents propose legislation all the time. This is nothing new. And all the Republican counterparts have been polling just as low, in not lower. America is angry at both parties.
    I’m done with this subject, because there clearly isn’t much fact weighing on your opinions. God Bless America

  103. Florida727 says: Feb 26, 2010 1:17 PM

    Mooch – Just curious, but is you questioning my Christianity considered judgmental? Yeah, there is something in the Bible about judging, and there’s also something in there about us being human, and therefore, sinners. So yeah, if you want to consider my posting as judgmental, that’s fair game. But I truly feel sorry for you if your rationale for not believing in Jesus Christ is that it’s “too difficult”. You might want to rethink that one. For short-term ‘suffering’ on earth, you’re looking at an ETERNITY of, let’s just call it, “excessive warmth”. Separate note, but your rich man v. poor man comparison is a little out-of-whack. For starters, God is the one who creates wealth. It goes back to the argument about what you use your wealth for: if it’s for materialism, then yeah, the rich guy does have a tougher road to hoe in terms of getting into heaven; conversely, if that wealth is used to further God’s plan and spread the message of salvation, then having wealth can be an awesome experience. It boils down to a matter of the heart. Do you want wealth for you, or do you want wealth to do things that bring glory to God (who’s responsible for providing you with that wealth)? I know where I’ll spend eternity, Mooch, and it has nothing to do with me “earning” the right to spend it there. I’m a sinner, Jesus died on the cross for my sins, and 3 days later He arose form the dead, according to His Father’s will. I believe that to be true, and that’s why I’ll spend eternity in heaven. No other reason… and certainly not something I’ve earned or deserve. Just glad it’s God’s free gift. Lastly, I have political opinions like everyone else, but I’m far from the politico you try to pigeon-hole me into. Sorry to burst your bubble. – D…

  104. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 1:18 PM

    “Vox – My God, the Dem’s couldn’t fix a complicated problem”
    Forget the complicated problems, did they fix any simple problems? With a House majority, a super-majority in the Senate and a Democratic President for a year, what have they really accomplished?

  105. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 1:18 PM

    Said I was raised and educated Catholic.
    Still waiting for all of these “ideas”.
    And waiting. And waiting.

  106. Legend says: Feb 26, 2010 1:22 PM

    People debating politics and religion on a football rumor-mill message board… and getting emotional about it. That’d be funny if it weren’t so sad.

  107. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 1:24 PM

    Most Americans don’t want rteform?
    The latest Kaiser Tracking Poll finds the public still split on health care reform legislation, with 43 percent in favor and 43 percent opposed. However, the poll also finds that majorities of Americans of all political leanings support several provisions in the health reform proposals in Congress and most attribute delays in passing the legislation to political gamesmanship rather than policy disagreements.
    And we don’t have a choice. Costs are rising and more people are going off insurance. This leaves you two choices:
    1) Let uninsured people die
    2) Reform the system so that uninsured people who can afford it get it, and people who don’t get some aid.
    As for “forcing people to buy it”, you have require it unless you choose option #1.
    This isn’t that hard – more and more people are paying higher and higher premiums for people who are uninsured.
    Still waiting for the GOP “ideas”.

  108. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 1:25 PM

    Wizard, you used to post under a different name. I recall some other dummy claiming he “cut his teeth” on the Reagan era.
    Why the name change?

  109. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 1:36 PM

    I guess I will stop waiting for the “ideas”.
    And great to know that so many people think Christ was a right wing Republican.
    The delusion never ends.

  110. toe-to-toe bird law says: Feb 26, 2010 1:48 PM

    Chapnasty2 says:
    February 26, 2010 12:42 PM
    “has dropped to bearly 40%.”………..”You cant cure stupid.”
    Sadly, you’re right. It seems you have an extremely aggressive, terminal case of stupid.

  111. Tha Hamburger says: Feb 26, 2010 1:48 PM

    Is this a political article or one helping further the idea that Tebow is a raging douche?
    Maybe he doesn’t support abortions because he doesn’t support heterosexual sex? I mean, if he truly is as faithful as he claims to be, he probably has the thought process of the typical clergy members…
    Long story short, if you are a male without pubes you might not want to bend over around this guy or he’ll take $160 out of you without signing anything…

  112. this class sucks says: Feb 26, 2010 2:22 PM

    @Vox
    Quit picking on the Eagles fans. As a 49er and Steelers fan I could drop stats on you all day, but I choose not to because (assuming you live in Texas) you have suffered enough.

  113. Stetson wears panties says: Feb 26, 2010 2:40 PM

    The NFl loses one fraudulent hypocrite in Kurt Warner, and gains one at least for now in Timmy Tebow….
    Both are overrated jokes.

  114. TheWizard says: Feb 26, 2010 2:40 PM

    Wiz – Republican filibuster does not equal Democratic infighting
    There has yet to be any fillibuster. It wasn’t even possible until Brown’s election.
    Nice try though, other than the factual errors.

  115. TheWizard says: Feb 26, 2010 2:42 PM

    I guess I will stop waiting for the “ideas”.
    And great to know that so many people think Christ was a right wing Republican.

    The first idea is to remove the interstate commerce law on insurance. The Republicans have been suggesting this for years.
    It’s common knowledge to the educated.

  116. Duck Fallas says: Feb 26, 2010 2:56 PM

    Vox – They passed the economic stimulus package that has created or saved as many as 2.1 million jobs. I’m sorry that’s such an insignificant achievement to you. I wish we were all so lucky.
    Also, he signed the Fair Pay Act into law, banned waterboarding, restored stem cell research funding, accelerated the withdrawal from Iraq and on and on and on. What have you done other than annoy a lot of people in these comment sections?

  117. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 3:06 PM

    Florida272 – I do not, based on my understanding of Christ’s teachings feel that I live up to his very high standards. So to that, extent, we are on the same page. But I do believe and agree with you that all we can do our best. So that is why I do not wear my religion on my sleeve as it seems many do.
    After reading your original post (among many others) I think I was wrapping you into the camp that was espousing the “Christ as GOP poster boy who wanted low taxes and free enterprise and loves rich people and wants the poor to help themselves.” Apparently, you aren’t so I apologize.
    “I have a great idea… let’s not try to unconstitutionally force citizens to purchase something?”
    Only problem here is that, unlike other industries, the uninsured still use the product and service in question. Furthermore, they tend to use it when it is most inefficient and costly to do so (go to the ER, wait to long so that more consumption becomes necessary). Again, they are not left to die…they are rendered the service.
    So who pays for that? Them? Probably not, since the costs are so high. After all, most bankruptcies are caused by health-driven financial crises.
    The cost goes to you and me. As taxpayers and insurance polict holders.
    Tort reform is about 2% of the costs. Where tort reform has been in place (CA for some time, MO as well) premiums continue to go up.
    The issue is simple, people not paying are using the service. So, I am coming from this direction when I talk about wanting healthcare reform…
    “Let’s not tax everyone who busts their tails working so they have to pay for those who are either unwilling to or unable to do it themselves.”
    So, you are willing to let people die on the street or in the ER for lack of health insurance? Is that what a Christian Nation or Western democracy does? Never gonna happen, so either you pay for them in the form of higher taxes or premiums OR require insurance.
    How don’t we have socialized medicine already if you and I pay for the uninsured. That is what never adds up.

  118. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 3:10 PM

    “The Democrats are going to keep waiting because they don’t really want to hear any ideas. They think they have it nailed and have made it clear that they will either gets Republican backing for this bill as it is currently written or move on without them.”
    So the GOP is keeping all its ideas a secret.
    Makes perfect sense.

  119. WhoaNelly says: Feb 26, 2010 3:28 PM

    The government (both ends of it) is criminalistic. Constitution? HA! yeah, they follow that to the “t”. Find me the law that says I, a working citizen whom earns WAGES must pay an INCOME tax.
    I believe that’s called the 16th amendment to the constitution.
    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

  120. jagsgrl904 says: Feb 26, 2010 3:54 PM

    Arent there message boards for political drama and name calling elsewhere?????
    Love your fellow man

  121. Duck Fallas says: Feb 26, 2010 3:57 PM

    Wiz – You want to play with semantics, that’s fine. Threat of Republican filibuster combined with Democratic failure to toe the line.
    Removing the interstate commerce law and tort reform are minor nuggets, and far from an alternative solution all by themselves. Is that all the GOP has to offer?
    Although the boogieman (a public option) was stripped from the bill, most Americans receive government provided healthcare already through Medicare, Medicaid, veteran and government employee programs.

  122. pdxbolt4life says: Feb 26, 2010 4:23 PM

    Can’t we all just get along??? Funny how the last fifty or so posts have absolutely nothing to do with Tebow and his overpriced unwanted autograph…it looks like Congress in here!!!

  123. KingGator13 says: Feb 26, 2010 4:24 PM

    Who is this Obama fellow? What position does he play? Will he be working out at the combine or just on his pro day? I hope the Bucs treat him better than Myron Rolle.

  124. TheWizard says: Feb 26, 2010 5:02 PM

    Removing the interstate commerce law and tort reform are minor nuggets
    Like hell they are. They wouldn’t scare liberals so much if that were true.

  125. TheWizard says: Feb 26, 2010 5:03 PM

    Is that all the GOP has to offer?
    Success isn’t based on how much legislation you can get passed.
    The less congress accomplishes, the better we all are.

  126. texasPHINSfan says: Feb 26, 2010 5:05 PM

    This is billed as a charity event to raise money for a cause.
    Why does PFT need to spin it as if his autographs always cost money? He gave free ones after games all the time in Gainesville.
    This is just a charity benefit. Big deal.

  127. reaper187 says: Feb 26, 2010 5:27 PM

    Tim Tebow Autograph $160
    Tim Tebow Autographed tissue with tears $200
    Tim Tebow being destroyed by NFL defenses $priceless

  128. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 5:32 PM

    “Vox – They passed the economic stimulus package that has created or saved as many as 2.1 million jobs.”
    Polly want a cracker?

  129. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 5:54 PM

    “Most Americans don’t want rteform?”
    No, you idiot. They don’t want this legislation. Everybody wants REFORM.
    “The latest Kaiser Tracking Poll finds the public still split on health care reform legislation, with 43 percent in favor and 43 percent opposed.”
    Well there’s one poll. I’ll refrain from pulling out some that show otherwise.
    “And we don’t have a choice.”
    Yes we do. Stop trying to scare people.
    This isn’t that hard – more and more people are paying higher and higher premiums for people who are uninsured.
    Are you thinking that insuring the millions of uninsured is going to save people money, overall?
    Still waiting for a liberal that’s nothing more than a parrot to talk about this issue.

  130. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 5:56 PM

    “And great to know that so many people think Christ was a right wing Republican.”
    Why do you do this? I mean the whole putting words in other people’s mouths thing that you do so often?

  131. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 6:00 PM

    “So the GOP is keeping all its ideas a secret.”
    You obviously have internet access. Why don’t you use it? This is by no means a complete list os proposed solutions, but it should be enough to shut you up. There are more links at the bottom of the page.
    http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare
    * Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines.
    * Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.
    * Number three: give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs.
    * Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that physicians sometimes order not because they think it’s good medicine, but because they are afraid of being sued.

  132. .VoxVeritas says: Feb 26, 2010 6:03 PM

    “Who is this Obama fellow? What position does he play?”
    Lame duck mediocre QB, like McNabb.

  133. boydman says: Feb 26, 2010 6:17 PM

    I ran into Jesus, bumming cigarettes at a bus stop here in Seattle. I know it was him, because he told me so. He gave me his autograph for a cigarette.

  134. Deb says: Feb 26, 2010 6:26 PM

    Oh fiddlesticks! Just spotted this thread so I’m very late to the party.
    Tim Tebow’s autograph is absolutely worth $160 if some fool is willing to pay him $160 to get it. Business 101.
    @shinsnake … in your commentary about being forced to bow down to the government, you have confused socialism and communism. They are not interchangeable ideologies. There are many democratically socialist governments where people are free to worship as they choose. Britain’s Labour party, which is currently in power, is a socialist party and you can live in the U.K. and be a faithful Catholic, Evangelical, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, or whatever. You are not required to worship the state.

  135. Duck Fallas says: Feb 26, 2010 6:37 PM

    Vox – If you weren’t so busy trying to feel smarter than everyone else you’d realize that all those points were discussed last night.

  136. Gunner420 says: Feb 26, 2010 6:48 PM

    Wow does TB have a massive ego! Setting himself up to be the next big NFL bust.

  137. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 7:27 PM

    “Are you thinking that insuring the millions of uninsured is going to save people money, overall?”
    Yep, because now you are paying retail for things the son’t pay for. In the other case they carry at least some level of insurance. You simply don’t understand economics.
    Two choices – either let ‘em die or cover them. Which one. Because you have no plan C.
    And shame on you for outing the GOP’s “secret” plan. Must have taken you hours to find that since only moments before you could not explain a single point (yet pretended you did).

  138. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 7:34 PM

    How is asking people – the uninsured by choice – to pay their own way a liberal idea?
    Please to explain.
    You cannot reconcile your fiscal reality (I cannot expand gov’t spending) with your moral beliefs (I cannot let people die on the street).
    And THAT is why there are no GOP ideas. They can’t square that circle.

  139. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 7:42 PM

    * Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines.
    Doesn’t work. One state will offer a policy that covers nothing, everyone gets it, goes bust when they cannot make the big deductible, then you and I pay. Too easily “gamed”.
    This is also why my dersire to see state-specific health policies does not work.
    * Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.
    The problem is, and has been, a lack of affordable plans. I went through this with my local CofC.
    * Number three: give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs.
    Such as? States cannot really do this as they lack the financial resources to cope when funds are needed most – like in a recession. This is why my ‘every state do it how you want’ idea is unworkable.
    * Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that physicians sometimes order not because they think it’s good medicine, but because they are afraid of being sued.
    Only 2% – 4% of costs. And where reform has been enacted, the premiums still rise because of the dominant factors – mainly number of uninsured people using the service and not paying. Again, see Michigan – premiums rising because half the state is unemployed and uninsured.
    Yet they still get medical care. And someone still pays.
    When I hear the GOP refer to this unsustainable system as “the best in the world” I question their committment to reform.
    None of this will be an issue once the GOP has milked every midterm seat possible over it. Then it’ll just happen, won’t be a big deal anymore.

  140. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 7:44 PM

    Look at the last wave of insurance hikes – we can’t wait. I don’t want to keep paying for uninsured people whose plan is to keep their fingers crossed and hope they don’t get sick.
    Or do you not pay for insurance?

  141. Mooch says: Feb 26, 2010 8:01 PM

    Oh, that’s right. You are from Texas – the state with the most uninsured people.
    No wonder you don’t want reform. God forbid this nation would ask you people to pay for something.
    But, if my state was as big a welfare recipient as Texas I doubt I would want any changes either.
    Freeloading is about to stop, my friend.

  142. sven_ftw says: Feb 26, 2010 8:32 PM

    he better get em while he can! clock’s-a-tickin!

  143. Occam says: Feb 26, 2010 10:00 PM

    I wonder what Tim Tebow thinks about health care reform???

  144. tebowsvirginity says: Feb 26, 2010 10:06 PM

    anyone who wants an autograph of someone after they hit puberty should be lit on fire

  145. Florio-is-a-tool says: Feb 27, 2010 11:03 AM

    tebowsvirginity says:
    “anyone who wants an autograph of someone after they hit puberty should be lit on fire”
    Bingo! Take a photo with your cell phone and both friends who would be impressed with you having an encounter and sharing air with a celebrity will be more impressed. Unless, of course Mr. Tebow wants that air to help his throwing motion.

  146. Deb says: Feb 27, 2010 11:32 AM

    tebowsvirginity says:
    anyone who wants an autograph of someone after they hit puberty should be lit on fire
    ———————————————
    That’s idiotic. Signatures are worth money, honey.

  147. Duck Fallas says: Feb 27, 2010 12:03 PM

    They’re only worth whatever the next idiot is willing to pay for it. And at least in my opinion, they’re not worth the self-deprecating act of asking another man to sign something for you.
    They do something well, mainly play on a field for my entertainment. That does not make me idolize them or value them above my self worth.

  148. LPH says: Feb 27, 2010 12:14 PM

    If anyone thought it was awkward on Draft Day when Brady Quinn sat through almost the entire first round … wait til Tebow starts sliding. All the spin in the world from Dungy and Wyche won’t save him. 4th round at best, undrafted at worst.

  149. Deb says: Feb 27, 2010 2:41 PM

    Duck Fallas says:
    And at least in my opinion, they’re not worth the self-deprecating act of asking another man to sign something for you.
    ———————————————–
    So you wouldn’t get a book signed by the author? Or a print signed by an artist? Or a jersey or football signed by a player?
    I’ve met several famous politicians, and I don’t ask for their autographs. They’re my employees. But when it comes to getting the autograph of accomplished artists or athletes … guess I just don’t see that as self-deprecating. Maybe that’s because I don’t see them or anyone else as being better than me. I just admire their work.

  150. Route36West says: Feb 27, 2010 7:17 PM

    The only way I would pay $160 for a Tim Tebow autograph if it was on a aborted fetus.

  151. theSTP says: Feb 28, 2010 3:23 AM

    @medic406 (and all other abortion based comments) what if I sign the coat hanger?

  152. Adam says: Feb 28, 2010 4:17 AM

    boo *throws popcorn*
    at least make it for a real charity…or hook you up with one of the many lovely girls that Tebow won’t bang.

  153. mngambler says: Mar 1, 2010 3:09 AM

    this must be a joke…I have a cup with prob $12 in laundry quarters in it that I would not give up for this dbags autograph

  154. Duck Fallas says: Mar 1, 2010 9:15 AM

    @ Deb – In case you come back and check, no I wouldn’t want any of those signed objects. Standing in a line to get a book signed is not worth my time. If I met the author of a book I enjoyed in the street (not that I’d recognize them) I might want to discuss their writing, but I’d have no interest in them signing anything. Same for artwork. I don’t care about a signed print, it’s still a print.

  155. Deb says: Mar 1, 2010 12:53 PM

    Hey, Duck …
    If you come back … Nah, I wouldn’t stand in line either. My sis-in-law gave me a Nick Saban-autographed football for Christmas last year. She bought a football and had a friend take it to Saban for a personalized Roll Tide! The autograph was free. I love it! But no one stood in line or paid a dime. I’d only get a signature if no effort or $$ were involved LOL

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