Comments on: Tim Tebow defends Urban Meyer, breaks record for using word "blessing"

By: Eric_Austin

Eric_Austin — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:26:29 +0000

“I personally believe that the likelihood that this planet of ours was created and populated with plants and animals by accident is even slimmer than the chances of dropping a bowl full of eggs, flour, and sugar and having it land as a five-tiered wedding cake.”
I strikes me that at the heart of that statement there must be a lack of understanding of two things: (1) how many planets there are in the universe, and (2) how life develops.
Regarding # 1: There are about 400 billion stars in our galaxy alone. If each of them have the same number of planets (on average) as our own sun, then that’s about 4 trillion planets in our own galaxy alone. Multiply that by an estimated 125 billion galaxies in the universe … that is an incomprehensibly large number a lot of planets.
Regarding # 2: Life doesn’t evolve “by accident”. On some small fraction of that ridiculously large number of planets above, primitive life occurred. It then was steered along by evolution, not by chance, to produce the complex life we have today.

By: user2

user2 — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:28:23 +0000

florio, glad to see you have such a love for God’s holy Word. However, the verse you quoted warns us against being outwardly religious for personal gain. It does not forbid us from being outwardly religious for God’s glory. Jesus never tells us not to talk about God in public…in fact Jesus’ ministry was to the public. So it seems your only issue with Tebow would be that you are suspicious of his intent – whether its for personal gain or really for God’s glory. But the intent of another man’s heart can only be known by God (Proverbs 21:2). Since you are not God, you cannot know the intentions of Tebow’s heart. Therefore i would caution you from judging another’s intent. But keep reading the Word brother, and may the wisdom of God fill you through faith in His blessed Son Jesus Christ!

By: B Atkins

B Atkins — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:08:40 +0000

12yrs of Catholic School??? Figures. Mary & Mohammed are like peas & carrots. Fake.
The reference to Matthew 6:5-8 is regarding the “insincere” prayer, i.e., I pray that I can pay the mortgage with this crappy blog…
Tim Tebow is not preachy… he’s humble in his beliefs and that is his faith.
Luke 11:33, No man, when hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.

By: papertiger

papertiger — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 04:39:32 +0000

That was a solid post, Florio. I was beginning to think you were becoming another sensationalized sports personality. Besides, us Catholics know that Baptist swine will rot in hell for his undue pride.
whammy!

By: Stone

Stone — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 00:48:50 +0000

Hey Florio…I believe Mike Mayock on the NFL Network just simultaneously acknowledged that he reads pft and ripped you all in one sentence. At around the 40-42 minute mark in the NFL Combine Coverage for Tuesday, 3/2, he talks about people on the internet counting how many times Tebow said “blessing” and that ripping Tebow for it was wrong. Its right after Mayock tells Eisen that he’s sick of talking about Tebow and Favre and that the media is saturated with them.

By: FrenchMontana

FrenchMontana — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:17:54 +0000

Now we all thought Tiger Woods was that golden boy who was perfect, a decade later look what we have.
Tebow vehemently confesses his love for God every chance he gets, now we know no one is perfect but, i wonder what the media will do to Tebow if one day he slips ups.
If i were Tebow I would def follow Matthew: 6:5-8 verse. Because the minute he makes an epic mistake its gonna be far worse than the abuse Tiger Woods took. And remember nobody is perfect, Tebow you’re going to have millions and you wont have Meyer there to protect you and help you make real world decisions at your every beckoning.

By: CurseofBoJackson

CurseofBoJackson — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:08:25 +0000

Doesn’t this site really just come down to “My idea/belief/team/favorite player is better than yours?” Really? Damn near every topic ends up with a comment thread that supports this assumtion. “I’m a christian and I think this kid is fake, so I’m better than him” “You believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster? You moron! I’m better than you!” “You have a liberal viewpoint? How dare you denounce Christianty (de-facto) and my right to ram it down everyone’s throat like a male porno star!” Blah Blah, good job getting hits Florio, at least you’re good at what you do, drumming up anger from people with too much time on their hands.

By: FrenchMontana

FrenchMontana — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:02:19 +0000

By: Abe Froeman

Abe Froeman — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:54:39 +0000

@vikings2772
An accurate statement, but freedom of speech isn’t the issue here.

By: vikings2772

vikings2772 — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:22:04 +0000

if you don’t believe in freedom of speech for people you disagree with, then you don’t believe in freedom of speech at all.
May all who read this posting receive blessing and favor from Almighty God!

By: Hosstyle In Tampa

Hosstyle In Tampa — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:46:49 +0000

PFT.com is riddled with pseudo-intellectuals who, despite knowing their way around a thesaurus, can seldom complete an actual sentence, with correct grammar.

By: utahphinsfan

utahphinsfan — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:43:40 +0000

I feel that Florio’s use of Matt 6:5-8 is somewhat relevant in describing St Timothy of Gainesville’s attitude/demeanor.
Though, its spot on when players get together after a game to pray. However, that is another topic and discussion all together.
What really got me is unlike every other athlete @ the combine is Timmy would always check with the officials after doing a drill. Sadly, the media would eat it up. Was it passion, fear that he finally wasn’t heads and shoulders above the rest or just micromanaging?
If I understand Abe Froeman right. Timmy is all about vanity. Regardless of my comprehension, just count the number of times T-bo uses I or me in the infamous speech after the loss to Ole Miss in ’08.
Unlike PRamis123, There are only 2 players that I don’t want my favorite team (Dolphins obviously) to draft. Dez Bryant & Tebow. It’d be worse than ’07 when I had accepted but did not like the fact they would draft Brady Quinn and they did not only to draft Ted Ginn. I was less than thrilled.
The phins QB situation is set and while they phins could use a TE… There are better players out there than Tebow for that. Dray from Stanford for one.
It would not bother me if Tebow got selected by Baltimore. Where @ some point, he tried to rally/motivate the troops like we have seen him do. The difference here would be Ray Lewis would slap the taste off Timmy’s lips.

By: Abe Froeman

Abe Froeman — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:54:47 +0000

@Vox
It’s the overall perception of Tebow that qualifies him for such an observation. And changing the channel does nothing to change the opinion of his behavior.
The opinion/perception, that is, that Tebow’s excessive and boastful talk of his relationship with God is indicative of nothing other than vanity and hubris.

By: .VoxVeritas

.VoxVeritas — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:11:52 +0000

“Not so much. It’s more like people see him as boasting about how great his relationship with God is.”
Saying that he’s blessed a bunch of times does not qualify. you can’t be preached to by anyone that you choose to not listen to. There’s a really simple solution to all of this. Don’t listen. Everybody in the world knows that he’s going to praise God every time somebody sticks a microphone in his face.

By: ForTheGlory

ForTheGlory — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:46:50 +0000

“But I’m naturally skeptical, by virtue of 12 years of Catholic education and many more of regular church attendance, of anyone who wears these beliefs on his or her sleeve.”
I know I’m late & this may have been addressed, but that is exactly what Jesus did. He wore His relationship with His father (God) on His sleeve. Then, there were those self-righteous Pharisees & Saducees who thought that they had all the answers & judged Jesus for being outspoken about His knowledge of God. I know that Tebow is not Jesus, but that is where his faith lies. His faith doesn’t lie in some random Christian, in me, or in you Florio. That is why it is real.
As far as “blessing” goes, Tebow acknowledges that he gets his talent from the Lord. Every talent that you, me, or sports figure has comes from the Lord. Tebow is not putting down others by talking about being blessed, he is thanking the One who gave him the blessing.
(Matthew 6:5-8) Surely you aren’t suggesting that no one pray in public? Public, chanted prayer is a tradition of the Catholic chruch. Poeple pray before meals, in every church & so on. The point that Jesus always spoke of was the condition of your heart & why you do the things you do. The point of that scripture is what the motive of your heart is. If it’s to be seen then in public, then that is wrong. It’s not the action that matters. Maybe you’re right & Tebow’s motive is to be seen & create an image, and maybe global warming is real. To bring it closer to home, maybe Ben Rothlisberger did rape that girl. Until real evidence to the contrary is shown, & not just some man’s vendetta, I’ll choose to believe that his faith is real & he’s simply living it out as Jesus tells us to.

By: randyextry

randyextry — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:28:23 +0000

“And I personally believe that the likelihood that this planet of ours was created and populated with plants and animals by accident is even slimmer than the chances of dropping a bowl full of eggs, flour, and sugar and having it land as a five-tiered wedding cake.”
Nice work, genius. Apparently you’ve never heard of evolution, which is neither an “accident” nor god. Also, babies don’t come from storks, the world is more than 6,000 years old, and the earth goes around the sun, not vice versa. Now that you’re caught up to fifth grade science, I hope you at least have the sense to spare your own children from the pathetic, catholic “education” your parents forced on you.

By: Abe Froeman

Abe Froeman — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:21:27 +0000

@Vox
“I think a lot of people take it personally. The people that criticize him for his faith likely aren’t comfortable with the way that they’ve lived their lives. It’s not religion that makes people feel guilty, it’s the bad things that they’ve done that conflict with religious faith.”
Not so much. It’s more like people see him as boasting about how great his relationship with God is. And that they do see his perpetual espousing of beliefs as an unwanted attempt of him trying to proselytize to them.
Essentially they see Tebow’s incessant religious referencing as an exercise of vanity.

By: botchedextrapoint

botchedextrapoint — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:43:45 +0000

VoxVeritas says:
March 1, 2010 7:12 PM
“Well it sure as hell doesn’t make them RIGHT, does it? I’m not afraid of science. Hell it was my best subject in school because I loved it. However I do not like the current scientific climate, where powers that be have a preconceived conclusion and will only fund research that ultimately results in that end. There’s too much incentive to “cook the books”. Don’t be afraid to NOT believe everything you’re told, particularly when it comes to things like man-made global warming, where there’s a lot of money at stake on both sides.”
Don’t confuse the inexact new science of climate modelling with the established science of evolution. Evolution is established and confirmed and any argumets are about minor details. Evolution is no threat to faith because it only explains the physical world. Christians who rely on creationism as a scientific idea and attack evolution are lacking in faith. Most of this is because pig headed christian leaders mislead their congregations into thinking there has to be a battle between good (god) and evil (evolution) that doesn’t exist. The world is not so balck and white, a deep understanding of evolution would be confronting but liberating for the average christian

By: Halas` Heros

Halas` Heros — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:42:29 +0000

@BuffaloBounce
Please read my post again. I begin it with the popular definitions of science and religion, describe the voluminous instances in life scientific methods fails to deliver, and culminate with a rhetorical question highlighting the reality that science is just as faith-based as religion.

By: .VoxVeritas

.VoxVeritas — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:38:32 +0000

“i just don’t understand why the kid gets attacked for having such a strong faith. would you rather he be at strip clubs, beating girlfriends, missing child support payments, or getting manslaughter DUI’s for hitting pedestrians?”
I think a lot of people take it personally. The people that criticize him for his faith likely aren’t comfortable with the way that they’ve lived their lives. It’s not religion that makes people feel guilty, it’s the bad things that they’ve done that conflict with religious faith.

By: .VoxVeritas

.VoxVeritas — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:12:13 +0000

“Don’t be afraid of science. It’s not out to hurt you, it’s just a study of what’s happening in our universe. Just because scientists sometimes come to conclusions that don’t mesh with your world view doesn’t make them wrong.”
Well it sure as hell doesn’t make them RIGHT, does it? I’m not afraid of science. Hell it was my best subject in school because I loved it. However I do not like the current scientific climate, where powers that be have a preconceived conclusion and will only fund research that ultimately results in that end. There’s too much incentive to “cook the books”. Don’t be afraid to NOT believe everything you’re told, particularly when it comes to things like man-made global warming, where there’s a lot of money at stake on both sides.

By: .VoxVeritas

.VoxVeritas — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:06:59 +0000

“Claiming there is no missing link is just faulty logic. There is no evolutionary chain, it’s more like a family tree.”
It’s science’s claim. I’m just going along with it for shits and grins.

By: Eric Q

Eric Q — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:01:26 +0000

I agree with you, Florio.
If I want to hear about God and express religious views and beliefs, I go to church. And I keep them to myself, unless asked.
I want to hear Te-blow say how he can be an asset to a football team without one utterance of God and being blessed.

By: Abe Froeman

Abe Froeman — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:33:45 +0000

@BuffaloBounce
So you admittedly make up a concept to act as the foundation of your knowledge base because you think trying to understand is too complicated.

By: greenie

greenie — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:43:18 +0000

Why is that a problem? I am glad to get a football player who doesn’t use “know what I mean?”, or “ya know?”, 10 zillion times. I need the closed caption turned on to understand 75% of these players, and the ones that do talk usually – the majority of the time – talk about how great THEY are, or how “disrespected” they are because the team didn’t give them a 5 million dollar raise, and they have to “survive” making only 15 million a year…, etc and so forth. I’ll take a guy saying “blessing” over and over any day of the year. If you’re going to bash anyone, bash the thugs, not Tebow.

By: Halas` Heros

Halas` Heros — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:41:26 +0000

@BuffaloBounce: The use of large words did not entirely veil your utterly ridiculous comment. The fact you want everyone to know, in plain english(sic), is “Science is Truth, and Religion is a pitiful security blanket for the weak”.

Evidently, my language use did cause you to misunderstand, as my comment first describes the secular stance regarding science and religion, followed by statements revealing the voluminous expanse of reality science cannot begin to explain, culminating in a rhetorical question illuminating the reality that “science” is faith-based.
Sorry for the confusion.

By: Rex Grossman

Rex Grossman — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:35:33 +0000

Here’s a question: What if God was one of us?

By: Halas` Heros

Halas` Heros — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:05:29 +0000

@BuffaloBounce
You obviously misunderstood my post, and, in effect, restated my point. Science, by the very nature of man, is based on faith. Humans absolutely violate the survival of the fittest rule‚ we function in the realm of ideas and conscious thought, the physical, scientific universe having somehow developed these decidedly unscientific qualities for reasons only it knows. Plus, humans have an experiential quality that contains an entire universe of abstracts utterly useless to the scientific, Darwinian trajectory atheists place so much faith in.
Yet, there they are. And they penetrate, well ahead of science, down into the soup of the building blocks of the universe itself. The entire nature of the physical universe, even apart from the great, eternal, problem of its own genesis‚ one that tears to shreds the false scientific constructs of natural versus supernatural, is based on the faith that things just are as they are and do as they do.

By: BuffaloBounce

BuffaloBounce — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:45:34 +0000

I truly did not want to get into this “battle royale”, but the mere stupidity of Halas’ Heroes post forced me too…
The use of large words did not entirely veil your utterly ridiculous comment. The fact you want everyone to know, in plain english, is “Science is Truth, and Religion is a pitiful security blanket for the weak”.
The entire thesis you craft thereafter is dependent on that idea that Science trumps all.
So the question needs to be asked:
What is really Truth?
If you argue that science is in fact truth, which I believe you are, would truth not be ever changing? In fact, Truth would be relative to what any person sees, feels or hears. It would remain relative until all the answers of the universe are unveiled, and truth can be shown in all its form, with no one able to deny it. For example, before Columbus it was true that the world was flat, yet to say that now would be false.
Science is in fact the practice of trying to unveil truth, yet I would go so far to argue that it more relates to Platos Allegory of the Cave.
I would argue then, that to really understand what Truth is, we need some sort of objective to hold it up to, otherwise, like I noted earlier, truth is relative.
I would then argue that without a constant figure it is impossible to even understand the word truth, thus making it is necessary for God to be that constant, the objective of truth.
All things on earth and in heaven are created by Him and through Him, and one day, all knees will bow, all tongues confess, that there is only one absolute truth, and His name is YHWH.

By: ansantan

ansantan — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:00:18 +0000

CaGatorFan says:
…Religion is crap – your religion, especially, Florio… People like YOU know what you learn in “Catholic School” for 12 years – but you don’t LIVE according to the Word of God and you don’t follow after Jesus! All you do is make fun of people who really do follow the LORD. You hate Tim Tebow and you actually lead a sad life… I can tell and I feel sorry for people like you.
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Ah…here comes the anit-Catholic rhetoric from all those self-proclaimed “Christians”. I was wondering how long it would take….