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Carroll timed Mays at 4.19

The varying times of USC safety Taylor Mays’ forty-yard dash continue to pour in.

A league source tells PFT that Pete Carroll timed Mays at 4.19. Of course, that time could have had a lot to do with Carroll hoping his former player ran that fast. 

And that’s the crux of all these hand-timed measurements.  Human error and even bias come into play. 

After watching the NFL Network replay of Mays and Jacoby Ford running next to each other — check the video at 1:10 — we’re more sure than ever that the “official” times are a crock. 

The league has turned the Scouting Combine into big business. Major dollars are made by the network and players, so the league needs to come up with a better standardized and equitable way to measure the forty-yard dash. 

Heck, it’s possible Rich Eisen and his bloused shirt actually broke six seconds and we just don’t know.

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32 Responses to “Carroll timed Mays at 4.19”
  1. Kevin from Philly says: Mar 2, 2010 3:41 PM

    When does Florio run the 40? Hell, CAN he run the 40?

  2. JayBot says: Mar 2, 2010 3:42 PM

    Shouldn’t Carroll’s focus be on the Seahawks? Even if he really wants to draft Mays, you would think he would want to keep that time to himself if he believes it.

  3. The Wishbone says: Mar 2, 2010 3:43 PM

    Do they not use high-speed cameras and get an accurate time? It’s 2010!

  4. Nevisyakker says: Mar 2, 2010 3:45 PM

    Fine, then let Carroll and his speedy stop watch take him with the 6th pick, which is only about 20 spots ahead of where he should go.

  5. Katmanduu says: Mar 2, 2010 3:51 PM

    But the problem is the film. I saw this guy play 5 times this year, and he is an OK player….not even worth a # 1 pick. But some dummy team will do it, and regret it later.
    Probably the Cowgirls.

  6. bigbigbigred says: Mar 2, 2010 3:54 PM

    who the hell cares what time he ran. the kid can play football and thats all that matters. Combine = total waste of time

  7. Munze Konza says: Mar 2, 2010 3:54 PM

    Stop using it. Have them start 1 or 2 yards back and a laser triggers a clock when they hit it and stops when they hit the second laser 40yds later. And why even have linemen run it? In case they get an interception?

  8. burntorangehorn says: Mar 2, 2010 3:56 PM

    The NFL should move to electronic timing that involves a gun, light, or other type of signal start. No more self-starts. Make players react to something telling them to explode, which would more closely simulate gameday.

  9. AnnoyingKnowItAll says: Mar 2, 2010 3:58 PM

    The Eisen video is the funniest thing I’ve seen all year… right up with the the ‘Milk-a-what’ baby…

  10. finsbooyah says: Mar 2, 2010 4:00 PM

    Carroll is one hell of a douche

  11. shaggytoodle says: Mar 2, 2010 4:03 PM

    Seeing as he helped student athletes get paid through … I mean educated. Why wouldn’t he help one of his favorite atheletes out by having a quick finger.

  12. idio says: Mar 2, 2010 4:05 PM

    Oh please, that’s a bunch of horse shit. 4.19?? Yeah right.
    two points:
    1) Yes, times can be innaccurate, even official times.
    2) It’s obvious that Pete Caroll is coming up with a conflicting time that is ludicrously lower than even the unofficial time because Taylor Mayes is his guy, and he’s trying to give him whatever edge he can in his 40 yard dash number. Any uncertainty he can provide is basically Pete Caroll giving the “wink wink nudge nudge” to teams, “Yeah, the official time was pedestrian… but WE know the real time was much lower *wink wink nudge nudge*, right?”

  13. SC21 says: Mar 2, 2010 4:10 PM

    Don’t they have electronic timers like in the Olympics? Shoot, my high school had an electronic timer for such things, so the idea that the NFL combine relies on guys with stopwatches is insane.

  14. ☻☼CBS, FOX, ESPN, NFLN nbc says: Mar 2, 2010 4:11 PM

    Willie Mays Hayes

  15. CP21 says: Mar 2, 2010 4:13 PM

    4.28 and 4.43 are o.15 of a second…..are you expecting him to be 5 yards behind Ford? That’s almost 1/8 of a second….Of course there is gonna barely be a difference, like I said before in a different post.. These two guys on the same field not running side by side, will look the same speed… Our eyes would not be able to detect the difference….

  16. TimT says: Mar 2, 2010 4:21 PM

    Here’s your answer.
    Make the whole goal line the starting line.
    Line up 20 players at a time.
    Give them a “ready, set, BANG” for the signal.
    Outfit them each with a sensor to capture the important data. (speed, acceleration, time)
    You’ll get them all in and out of there with correct timing.
    Roger, if you’re reading this, there’s no charge. Just do it. If a bankrupt IRL or CART can afford telemetry on their cars, the NFL should be able to spring for a few dozen once a year.

  17. JaggedMark says: Mar 2, 2010 4:23 PM

    If the NFL wants to make this combine “such a big deal,” put in Olympic timing systems.

  18. chipwade says: Mar 2, 2010 4:30 PM

    With the 8th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft… The Oakland Raiders select… Taylor Mays… Safety… USC
    Taylor will not dominate at the next level. He didn’t even dominate in the PAC-10

  19. CP21 says: Mar 2, 2010 4:32 PM

    bigbigbigred,
    you’re a genius ! you obviously know a lot more about sport science than you know, the guys with degrees…masters and probably Ph.Ds in exercise and sport science and know that physiological test mean absolutely nothing at all, mean while teams should ?…..just watch college film ? Oh wait, guy who produce in college aren’t guaranteed to produce in the pros either….Than just interview them? Oh wait, they already do that and still get it wrong…..
    damn, I wish I had bigbigbigred running my franchise, If only…..I mean. Im sure he can slap a few clown-dick onto madden and produce superbowl champs so he MUST know what he’s talking about!

  20. Old School says: Mar 2, 2010 4:32 PM

    Why would the NFL want to be left out of the identifying sign of our time – CORRUPTION?

  21. monet99 says: Mar 2, 2010 4:46 PM

    The official time is a crock? No the official time is just that. You think they are making stuff up? Please

  22. Swedish Mafia says: Mar 2, 2010 4:58 PM

    Caroll probably said that so the Raiders will pick him….you know Al Davis has a stiffy after hearing 4.19. Well….if…he….could…get…a…..stiffy.

  23. Tim says: Mar 2, 2010 5:01 PM

    I believe Carroll like I believe the bible.

  24. purplepuzzyeatrz says: Mar 2, 2010 5:09 PM

    FACT VS. FICTION
    RUNNING BACK(S) -40 SPEED
    DARREN MCFADDEN – 4.33 (2008)
    ADRIAN PETERSON – 4.4 (2007)
    ERIC DICKERSON 4.43
    WALTER PAYTON –
    RON DAYNE- 4.53 (2000)
    LAURENCE PHILLIPS (1996 6TH OVERALL)4.48 –
    BLAIR THOMAS -4.4 1990(2ND OVERALL)
    KAJANA CARTER- 4.27 1990(1ST ROUND)
    POINT IS – THESE DIPSHITS THAT MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS , SPEND SO MUCH TIME AND MONEY, ANALYSYS ON TRYING TO FORCAST WHO THE NEXT STUD WILL BE….WHEN IN FACT, MORE TIMES THAN NOT, IT IS A BIG DISAPPOINTING FLOP….I DONT CLAIM TO HAVE THE RECIPE, BUT SEEMS TO ME, IF YOU PUT HUSSAIN BOLT IN A HELMET AND PADS, HE WOULD BE NO BETTER THAN __________? OH , WHATS HIS NAME……POINT EXACTLY!

  25. pony says: Mar 2, 2010 5:14 PM

    who cares anyway. really.
    lots of players blew us away on their 40. then they put on a uniform and sucked.
    combine is a joke. those guys played a few years of college ball. film speaks for itself.
    any gm that wants a player for what he did at combine doesn’t deserve to be in the nfl.

  26. Levito says: Mar 2, 2010 5:27 PM

    It’s insane they don’t have better technology for this at this point.
    Who cares about Carroll’s stopwatch from up in the crowd? Have you ever used a stopwatch? There’s not much of a difference in a 10th of a second when you’re timing it by hand. But when a 4.4 is fast and a 4.5 is slow, a million stopwatches won’t do any good.

  27. Abe Froeman says: Mar 2, 2010 5:55 PM

    They showed overlay screen with Lefevour and Tebow. Tebow was officially .06 behind Lefevour.
    They also showed the overlay screen with Mays and Ford. Mays was twice as close to Ford as Tebow was to Lefevour. Yet Mays’ difference was clocked .15 behind Ford.
    So he trailed by a lesser distance, but was somehow clocked farther apart.
    That is the issue here.

  28. WhoDat_champs says: Mar 2, 2010 5:57 PM

    Nobody knows this kid as well as Pete does…and if Pete doesn’t drat him at 14 then he’s not the real deal.

  29. brownies4life says: Mar 2, 2010 6:02 PM

    I timed him at 4.11
    Sincerely
    Al Davis

  30. brownies4life says: Mar 2, 2010 6:08 PM

    TOM BRADY WAS FASTER

  31. packerfanfornot4life says: Mar 2, 2010 6:32 PM

    why dont they use a laser site that cuts off the timer when the runner passes it?? it would be stop all the variations in the timing

  32. neils8405 says: Mar 2, 2010 7:09 PM

    Why doesn’t the NFL get 5 to 10 scouts/player personnel guys to time the players, throw out the fastest and slowest times (like the judging in the Olympics) and then take the average of the other scouts. That might make too much sense but it’s a thought.

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