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NFLN video shows Mays beating Holliday

The controversy regarding the “official” 40-yard times from the Scouting Combine has gotten only more interesting, thanks to NFL Network’s brilliant creation of a simultaneous comparison of video of the fastest players who ran in Indianapolis.

Return specialist Trindon Holliday officially ran a 4.34.  USC defensive back Taylor Mays officially ran a 4.43.

And the video shows Mays beating Holliday.

Speaking of Mays’ official time, our pal Rich Eisen of NFL Network said after presenting the comparison, “It has to be flawed.”

So how does this happen?  Damned if we know, but the same sense of urgency that the powers-that-be applied to the Wonderlic procedures after word leaked four years ago of Vince Young’s single-digit result should be applied to improving the timing system of the 40-yard dash.

Universities throughout the country put on track meets during which times are accurately measured.  Why not use the same level of precision when giving players a chance to make the kind of impression that will help determine when they get drafted and, in turn, how much they get paid?

The problem likely traces in part to the fact that the timing commences not upon the firing of a gun but on the first motion of the player.  So the easy fix is to make this faux track meet more like a real track meet, and to tie the timing to the gun or the whistle or whatever.

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19 Responses to “NFLN video shows Mays beating Holliday”
  1. slipkid says: Mar 2, 2010 8:32 PM

    with all the $ on the table they should go high tech.

  2. Jimmysmith. says: Mar 2, 2010 8:33 PM

    Bob_nelson and the fake Jimmysmith, please stop calling and emailing me.I am not a Packer fan anymore and dont have lovers as low and poor and fat as you two.
    A Packer fan is one who is easily spoted.They are very slow in their thinking and response,they studder and drool.They are in the highest percentage in high school drop outs.They tend to inbreed and drink warm cheap beer.
    They have become brain washed to wearing cheese on thier heads for all of us to laugh at them yet they think it’s cool.They live in the past(usally in the 50′s and 60′s)because they have nothing to look forward to in the present.They have trouble identifying thier (ahem) “women” from farm animals.They tend to all have huge guts, both males and females.In short they are the lowest forms of humanity in all the earth.

  3. slx says: Mar 2, 2010 8:39 PM

    Or change the worthless thing completely. How many times does any NFL player go 40 yards blindly in a straight line?
    10-20 yard dash would actually have some value.

  4. Ken West says: Mar 2, 2010 8:39 PM

    It is 2010, can’t they use a “laser”?
    I say forget the stupid time, use radar and and do it by MAX MPH obtained in the 40 yards.

  5. moe says: Mar 2, 2010 8:39 PM

    im glad the got his official time wrong. it drops his draft stock and gives a team like the jets or the patriots the opritunity to trade up to a 16th pick instead of a 4 to get him. dude is just a beast though.

  6. FumbleNuts says: Mar 2, 2010 8:40 PM

    Trindon Holliday officially ran a 4.34
    Get Em’ Mr. Davis!

  7. DC_Bengals_Fan says: Mar 2, 2010 8:40 PM

    “The problem likely traces in part to the fact that the timing commences not upon the firing of a gun but on the first motion of the player. So the easy fix is to make this faux track meet more like a real track meet, and to tie the timing to the gun or the whistle or whatever.”
    Wait, why the hell would you do that? I want to know how fast the guy is, not how fast he responds to a whistle. Going off first motion is the best way to do that.
    Let’s not forget we’re doing this to estimate how well guys will play football, not run track.

  8. JaggedMark says: Mar 2, 2010 8:40 PM

    If they had panned back with the camera some, they could have showed Mt. Cody at the 12 yd line when Jacoby Ford crossed the finish line.

  9. Nick says: Mar 2, 2010 8:41 PM

    They should have players put their hand on a sensor on the ground, and as soon as their hand/fingers come off that sensor completely the clock starts.
    Yeah, they move a little before the hand comes completely off the ground but at least you know they’ll all have consistent clock starts.

  10. Scout says: Mar 2, 2010 8:45 PM

    This is a simple fix. You get three coaches to hand start a computer controlled laser timing system. All 3 relative times will be averaged for each run to reduce human error. This lets you start on movement and not have human error introduced on both stop and start.
    You could also have a hardware triggered system from a pressure sensor that detects the most massive pressure spike out of background movements of the player getting in position.
    Lots of ways you could do this.

  11. taylor says: Mar 2, 2010 8:49 PM

    That’s actually Best right behind Mays

  12. Cherp City says: Mar 2, 2010 8:56 PM

    http://asouthjerseyperspective.blogspot.com/
    Birds getting Taylor Mays? Nah dog

  13. jliskiew says: Mar 2, 2010 8:56 PM

    i bet a raider fan fixed the “official” result, hoping not to draft mays at #8…

  14. jtoeper says: Mar 2, 2010 8:57 PM

    It is unbelievable how somebody just looks for a story to post something ignorant on. Absolutely nothing to do with the story there JIMMYSMITH., and I’m glad I do not know what team you are a fan of because it would skew my view of all fans.
    Some people have brains and make intelligent comments on this website and then there are people like you.
    I am embarrassed to be on this site.

  15. joelsieeee says: Mar 2, 2010 8:58 PM

    So much for any of these peanuts putting up CJ numbers.

  16. Rhymes with Punt says: Mar 2, 2010 9:08 PM

    2 lasers problem solved

  17. geek says: Mar 2, 2010 9:16 PM

    Wait… if this is meaningless and everyone says so, than why would we care about getting it right?! Perhaps the numbers are only put out there to distract in the first place, or to catch the stupid scouts off guard? Either way, if most of the teams put little stock in the Combine, and most of the weight is in the game film (well, except for the Jets when they drafted Gholston and the Raiders every year), what difference does a few tenths of a second make?

  18. scrapple says: Mar 2, 2010 9:25 PM

    “Wait, why the hell would you do that? I want to know how fast the guy is, not how fast he responds to a whistle. Going off first motion is the best way to do that.”
    they can just use starting blocks. timer starts upon initial foot pressure. i believe that’s how they do false starts at the olympics and the technology could easily be used for the combine.

  19. Whiskeytangofoxtrot says: Mar 2, 2010 9:36 PM

    There’s a very smelly rat somewhere here.
    Why do we have to wait for the “official” times in the first place? There’s NO technical reason why they can’t have a display up at the finish line that flashes the “official” time as soon as the runner crosses the finish. For multiple runners, we could see the winner’s time, then the 2nd place time shortly afterwards, if not immediately on a 2nd display.
    There is a LOT of money at stake here. A blazing time can net a player millions in additional salary by moving up the draft board. Just ask Al Davis and DHB. With so much money at stake, that invites corruption at some level.
    We need a full-blown investigation of this nonsense.

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