Comments on: Report: Cardinals want a third-round pick for Boldin

By: nowathand

nowathand — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:01:46 +0000

Let me address some of the criticisms of Boldin.
DECLINING HEALTH? I love when fantasy football owners whine about him missing a part of a crucial season for them. He has not missed more than four games in a season since 2004. He plays like a running back, so he ends up missing games.
UNDERACHIEVING ACROSS FITZGERALD? He has the highest yards-per-game of any wide receiver in history and has played across Fitzgerald for six of his seven seasons.
HEADACHE? He refuses to talk about his contract during the season and is the leader of the team.
OVER 30? He’s just nine months older than Andre Johnson and younger than Steve Smith. He turns 30 in October for the record.
NOT WORTH A 2ND OR 3RD ROUND PICK?
2nd and 3rd round picks since 2003
Anquan Boldin, 586;
Taylor Jacobs 37
Bethel Johnson 39
Tyrone Calico 42
Kelley Washington 107
Nate Burleson 263
Kevin Curtis 252
Billy McMullen 52
Devery Henderson 157
Darius Watts 33
Keary Colbert 121
Derek Hamilton 0
Bernard Berrian 253
Devard Darling 37
Reggie Brown 177
Mark Bradley 92
Roscoe Parrish 100
Vincent Jackson 198
Courtney Roby 24
Chris Henry 119
Brandon Jones 113
So, no wide receiver taken between 2003-2005 in the second or third round has even half the receptions of Boldin. Actually, none of them average even fifty-three receptions a year, even if you throw out their rookie seasons. Half of them are out of the league.
So, by now you are probably thinking, these players are having fewer and fewer games to get receptions. With 4 seasons vs. Boldin’s 7, go ahead and double these 2006 rookies’ catches.
Chad Jackson 14=28
Sinorice Moss 39=78
Greg Jennings 246=492
Devin Hester 128=256
Travis Wilson 2=4
Derek Hagan 61=122
Brandon Williams 0=0
Maurice Stovall 44=88
Willie Reid 4=8
You could make a case that, in terms of overall dominance, Greg Jennings and Vincent Jackson are the only receivers of close to comparable value. Really only Jennings, Vincent Jackson and Desean Jackson are the only true #1 receivers to come out in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. Jackson dropped miraculously to the Eagles and the Sidney Rice needs to do it for more than one season. Berrian, Hester, Curtis, Henderson, Henry and Royal are/were nice no. 2′s.
A good illustration of how incomparable Boldin is is to take a look at the eight receivers taken in round 3 of 2007. Boldin had 1377 yards his rookie year. The best any of these eight has done in their first three seasons put together is James Jones, with 1390 yards and SIX of them have not passed the 676-yard mark for their three seasons put together. Take a look at 2008′s ten receivers taken in round 2. Only four of them have over 500 yards over for the careers. Jerome Simpson has 2 yards receiving, Limas Sweed just 69, James Hardy 96, Dexter Jackson is out of football with 0 career receptions. There were five receivers taken in round 3. They are all waiting to pass the 1000 yard mark for their careers.
EASILY REPLACED?
People point to the games under Whisenhunt they’ve won without Boldin. Against a horrid Bears musical secondary, with six turnovers on Jake Delhomme, against a Green Bay secondary that wasn’t tackling, against a Scott Linehan St. Louis team. Remember, when Jerheme Urban had that fumble that changed the momentum of the playoff game in the Super Dome (not that they had a chance without Rolle and Rodgers-Cromartie), he was only in there because Boldin was hurt. To me, 14 random, non-consecutive games is difficult to judge how the team plays without Anquan Boldin.
There is only one Anquan Boldin. He is the toughest receiver in the NFL, which may contribute to the fact that he has missed games in the past seasons. But look at Reggie Wayne in the Super Bowl, dropping the touchdown because he was afraid of contact.
I think Steve Breaston and Early Doucet are very good wide receivers, with the potential to be great. However, people who think Early Doucet can step in and just instantly reach Boldin’s level need to remember Boldin is the NFL’s all-time leader with 79.2 YPG despite Whisenhunt and Green not using him properly. Early Doucet has never had more than 43 yards in a regular season game.

By: whizardofoz

whizardofoz — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:11:25 +0000

Are the Cardinals crazy…they have Boldin who is not happy and by all signs Whisenhunt is not happy with Lienhart no matter how much he says he is…….why not package Boldin & Lienhart to Philly for McNabb and then draft a QB to groom for the future.

By: normcfh

normcfh — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:20:01 +0000

Should have said “Kurt Warner would have been just fine without him.” Matt Leinart may need all the weapons he can get.

By: texasPHINSfan

texasPHINSfan — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:08:03 +0000

I hope Miami does this, they need a WR more than anyone else. a 3rd is a bargain.

By: Whiskeytangofoxtrot

Whiskeytangofoxtrot — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:51:40 +0000

3rd round trade value should give Boldin a clue that he’s not worth Larry Fitz-type of money, or anything close to it. If he were worth the money, he’d be worth more in trade.
He should adjust his own perceived value and stick around with the Cardinals. But that won’t happen, some foolish owner will agree to break the bank for him, then watch him sit out increasingly more games with injuries. The guy’s a warrior and will play through all kinds of minor injuries, but age and his style of play wind up getting him hurt seriously way too often.

By: gooboy6

gooboy6 — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:23:03 +0000

Only if Pioli can dial faster, Chiefs lowest payroll in the league + dire need for stud WR and extra 2nd round pick = Chiefs pick at top of 3rd round for AQ, done deal

By: danlinker

danlinker — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:15:50 +0000

Somebody just take him please. You’ll see some good games out of him, and then he will get injured. Have fun with that.

By: basedrum777

basedrum777 — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:52:45 +0000

He’ll be catching Chad Henne passes as fast as Tuna can dial….

By: Skip F

Skip F — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:27:48 +0000

It’s easy to forget just how good KW can make a receiver look. Catching passes from any other arm ain’t gonna be the same.

By: superbowl

superbowl — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:26:13 +0000

BOldin is 29 not 30
He is very durable and an amazing beast of an athlete. He needs to go to a team and be a #2
well worth a number 3 for 3-4 productive years

By: tleg81

tleg81 — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:10:52 +0000

Injury-prone, 30+ wide-out, that has underachieved across from one of the most dynamic recievers in the game….only worth a 3rd, and nothing better than a #2 on a reciever needy team…Wherever he goes he will be over-paid, and probably be more of a head-ache than an asset……perfect for Baltimore

By: BroncoBourque

BroncoBourque — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:03:38 +0000

A 3rd round pick is a steal for Boldin but only if his contract demands were at least somehwhat reasonable. By reasonable I mean in the $7-8M per season range and not in the $9-10M per range. If he would be willing to accept that over 5 years with a good chunk guaranteed then I would be all over it.
On the other hand if him and his agent want to break the bank and get Roy Williams or Larry Fitzerald money then I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole.
I think the same could be said for Brandon Marshall. If he wants long term security and is willing to be reasonable like above, then I would think any team would want him, including the Broncos. But if he wants to break the bank with his past there is no way I would do it.

By: Bucsfan90

Bucsfan90 — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:50:03 +0000

Goddamit if Freeman couldn’t use him. I would LOVE to grab Q, resign Bryant, and let K2 run all over. We might actually be able to run the ball. Also, this would allow us to focus on D in the draft since Dez Bryant wouldn’t be such a necessity if we were to trade down. Of course, as everyone else states, ownership BLOWS and would never spend this kind of money. What a waste of a great stadium.

By: DonTerrelli

DonTerrelli — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:46:23 +0000

Not really a bargain, he’s always injured

By: Buck Stallion

Buck Stallion — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:25:29 +0000

The Redskins will certainly…oh wait, they don’t have a 3rd round pick.

By: ballergac22

ballergac22 — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:23:39 +0000

Do the bears have a 3rder? That would make the most sense no? Cutler.. and martz

By: troll_aikman8

troll_aikman8 — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 03:03:08 +0000

It’s pretty much guaranteed that he wants Roy Williams money…$10M+ up front and $45M+ overall.
You can blame Jerry in 3…2..1…

By: LighTsouT

LighTsouT — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:36:28 +0000

@Billy Daveney: you hold the first pick in the 3rd round, meaning, if multiple teams offer a 3rd, you’ll prolly have the best chance of acquiring him if the Cardinals aren’t hating on your 3-29 record over the last 2 seasons. You need a legitimate #1 receiver. Imagine the holes being opened up for SJax? How does this NOT make complete sense for the Rams?

By: DeVoodoo

DeVoodoo — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:28:51 +0000

KC all the way.

By: The Notorious V.I.C.

The Notorious V.I.C. — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:27:43 +0000

QB – Jay Cutler
HB – Matt Forte
WR1 – Anquan Boldin
WR2 – Johnny Knox/Devin Aromashodu
WR3 (slot) – Devin Hester/Johnny Knox
TE – Greg Olsen
Not a bad set of offensive players with which to work (you like that, Florio? I made sure not to put the preposition at the end of the sentence!). That’s, of course, assuming the OLine can hold up.
Of course, the Bears old and decrepit defense (being run by Rod Marinelli, no less) is where the real problem is going to lie with this team.

By: jcasey

jcasey — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:20:43 +0000

If it were not for the new contract demands, this would probably produce multiple bids. Someone, if not a few someones, will still probably jump on this.

By: Ray

Ray — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:18:02 +0000

Hmmm. I know my team needs a lot of stuff (RAMS). This is a good start to go with a new QB…..

By: Howie Handles

Howie Handles — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:57:34 +0000

“Greg Olsen and a 5th round pick and AZ should jump all over that!”
Great deal for AZ, but if I’m the Bears, I’m not making that offer.
Sure, Boldin is a heck of a receiver, but he’s going to want big money, and giving up a player and a pick for a WR who isn’t named Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald doesn’t make sense, IMO, for a team that already doesn’t have a 1st or 2nd round pick.
Now, if they’d take Olsen straight up. He’s got to be worth at least a third round pick, again IMO, then that’s something they’d have to consider.
Also, aren’t there some injury issues with Boldin? Again, if I’m AZ, I’d do Boldin for Olsen. He’d solidify the TE position, and they’ve got some good, young, WRs in the wings.

By: bigtrav425

bigtrav425 — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 01:17:54 +0000

i agree that would be a STEAL!…holmgren and Heckert i hope your listening….thats a good start to gettin some fans back and me possibly renewing my season tickets cuz as of now im not

By: Jungle Juice

Jungle Juice — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:53:02 +0000

Bengals Please

By: prophet of the light

prophet of the light — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:44:32 +0000

NE has a 4th and a 5th?

By: mcarey032

mcarey032 — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:29:45 +0000

Baltimore should be the logical place for him. They need a game breaker and he needs to be out of there since Warner is retired. Baltimore makes the most sense, however, Cincinnati would be a close second.

By: Route36West

Route36West — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:21:01 +0000

MDS tell Rosenthal that I told him that he didnt know what he was talking about.
Rosenthal said this about a possible Boldin trade:
“The Cardinals wanted a first and a third-round pick last year. With his trade value down, perhaps a second-round pick and change could seal the deal”
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Then I told him:
That aint going to happen. I forgot you werent on PFT last year but if you were you would know that last year even though they wanted a 1st and a 3rd for Boldin teams like the Eagles Ravens etc. who everyone said were going to trade for him the past 2 years only offered 2nd round or 3rd round picks for him plus another mid to late rounder.
So there is no way they are going to get that same offer this year especially sense his production and especially his health has declined. Last year they could have gotten a 2 plus change but because they showed everybody they didnt need Boldin that price has dropped. The teams success without Boldin last year will defiantly drop his value.
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I told him that teams were only offering 2′s and 3′s plus change for Boldin last year and that that would drop this year. And I was right.
Now the most the Cardinals will get for him is 1 3rd round pick and thats it.
Rosenthal’s brain works like he looks and he looks like a prepubescent boy.

By: Nam Huynh

Nam Huynh — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:59:26 +0000

I’m a Vikings fan. I’m calling it. HE WILL GO TO THE PANTHERS.

By: MagicMan407

MagicMan407 — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:44:05 +0000

To Ryan Harris-
“What team wouldn’t give up a 3rd for Q?? ”
The Washington Redskins wouldn’t only because they don’t have one! But, I can see them trying to figure out a way to aquire him. Maybe they will fork up a player or next years pick?