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With Vick, Ed Block Courage Awards dinner won't be the same

The Ed Block Courage Awards dinner is an annual event at which fans can mingle with the NFL players who have been singled out by their teammates as positive role models and pillars of the community.

This year that won’t be the case, thanks to the presence of Michael Vick.

Vick, who was — stunningly — voted as the Eagles’ recipient of the Ed Block Courage Award, will attend the dinner on Tuesday. And the Baltimore Sun reports that because Vick will be there, the Ed Block Courage Award Foundation has beefed up security and scrapped the long-standing tradition of having the athletes mingle with fans and sign autographs.

Multiple organizations, including the American Kennel Club and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, have said they think it’s inappropriate for Vick, a convicted felon who admits that he ran a dog fighting ring, to be honored as a role model. The Ed Block Courage Award Foundation is concerned that protests of Vick’s presence could cause problems, and the added security and nixing of the autograph signing is the result.

The sad thing is that there are 31 other NFL players who actually deserve to be honored for their achievements on and off the field, and Vick’s presence at the Ed Block Courage Awards dinner will keep the attention off them. If Vick were an honorable man, he’d decline to attend and let those 31 NFL players receive the recognition without any distraction.

So expect Vick to be there.

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  1. Hosstyle In Tampa says: Mar 4, 2010 10:37 AM

    Ok I have a game for the comment section. It works just like Jeff Foxworthy’s “You might be a redneck if…”, only it’s for Vick and it includes the second to last sentence of this post. Here, I’ll go first…
    “If Vick were an honorable man, he’d…not have given a woman herpes under the alias, Ron Mexico.”
    Now everybody try…

  2. Joe in Toronto, Canada says: Mar 4, 2010 10:37 AM

    This is not fair to everybody else, those that actually deserve to be there.
    No way in hell that moronic thug should have been selected, what a joke.

  3. Hosstyle In Tampa says: Mar 4, 2010 10:38 AM

    If Vick were an honorable man, he wouldn’t have thrown away his NFL career to be a “One Man Dog Apocalypse”

  4. Flimflam1 says: Mar 4, 2010 10:40 AM

    “If Vick were an honorable man, he’d decline to attend and let those 31 NFL players receive the recognition without any distraction.
    So expect Vick to be there.”
    Ouch.

  5. D wins games says: Mar 4, 2010 10:41 AM

    Yeah that dog torturer sure is one brave guy for having survived the consequences of his insidious actions only to return to his multimillion dollar salary.
    But perhaps the real shocker is the utter lack of intelligence demonstrated by his teammates who voted for him.

  6. jermely says: Mar 4, 2010 10:41 AM

    No matter what Vick does, he’s a douche..
    The franchise that decides to get him and make him their franchise QB are douches as well..

  7. LL Live says: Mar 4, 2010 10:42 AM

    Would you be happier if Vick went back to crime? Instead he faced the cameras and the public and worked to make positive contributions in the face of embarrassment and immense scrutiny and opposition…he not only manned up, he went beyond what was legally required of him…talk about courage…it would be easier to run off and hide…You say you are a lawyer…aren’t you supposed to believe in rehabilitation??? A guy in any other profession that got out of prison and not only did he job but worked to make amends and positive contributions would be saluted…he already repaid society for his actions…now he is trying to build positives.

  8. Robert P. says: Mar 4, 2010 10:43 AM

    A. Effing. Men.
    I would love to hear even the most ignorant of Michael Vick “supporters” tell me why he deserves an award for “courage”.
    What did he do? Seriously, what did he do?
    I’ve heard some argue that he is a “changed” man.
    How?
    Seriously…how?
    I’ve actually never once heard him apologize for the incredible, stunning cruelty he showed those dogs.
    I’ve heard him talk with regret of getting CAUGHT.
    I would wager that if dogfighting was suddenly legal in the United States today, he would be doing it TOMORROW.
    Let me once again point out that Michael Vick, contrary to popular belief, did not accidentally run over a pit bull with his truck. Michael Vick, in fact, did not only kill dogs.
    He took these dogs and purposely, willfully and repeatedly killed them in the most cruel and painful manners imaginable.
    He hung them by the neck with wire, he drowned them, he grabbed them by the neck and slammed them into the ground face-first until dead.
    How “courageous”, harming creatures who can not fight back.
    He is SCUM.
    And as a 20-year Buffalo Bills fan with season tickets, who purchases WAY too much merchandise every single year, I will DROP this team if this lowlife ever signs.

  9. Ollie says: Mar 4, 2010 10:45 AM

    Any foundation that would honor a convicted animal abuser or a team that would select him is a joke anyway.

  10. Wallace321 says: Mar 4, 2010 10:46 AM

    he deserves to be there. he did his time. its time to move on he is clearly doing positive now and should be awarded for it. just cause he is a felon doesn’t make him a bad person EVERYONE makes mistakes including myself.

  11. WildBirdOffense says: Mar 4, 2010 10:46 AM

    What kind of world do we live in when you can do time for a crime you commited, pay your debt to society, stay out of trouble when you got out of prison, and people still don’t respect you or your efforts to become a model citizen.
    Leonard Little didn’t get this much hatred and he killed a MOTHER with his drinking and driving.
    Sad sad world we live in. And the reporter of this story is a joke.

  12. Poo Flinging Monkey says: Mar 4, 2010 10:46 AM

    Vick paid a heavy price for his misdeeds, but now it’s time for everyone (especially PETA) to let it go.

  13. hizzle1281 says: Mar 4, 2010 10:48 AM

    its gonna be funny to watch how all these Iggles “fans” who want McNabb to get traded, when he wins them a SB this year and they all jump back on his sack

  14. PFTiswhatitis says: Mar 4, 2010 10:49 AM

    The question that begs to be asked and you failed to answer is WHY is Mike Vick attending a dinner for “NFL players who have been singled out by their teammates as positive role models and pillars of the community.” Surely he has not been singled out as a pillar of the community?

  15. Old School says: Mar 4, 2010 10:49 AM

    Kudos MDS. You nailed this one.

  16. Count Sacula says: Mar 4, 2010 10:50 AM

    Ugh, please get out of Philly Mike.
    Damn, the torment that we Eagles fans have endured because of you is RUTHLESS!!! Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

  17. Ken West says: Mar 4, 2010 10:52 AM

    I question the morals of anyone who supports Vick. He served his time and has the right to earn a living, but hey so do sex offenders in the same situation.
    I would also contend that he never was punished properly, because some lame county prosecutor never followed through on state charges.

  18. JimmySmith says: Mar 4, 2010 10:52 AM

    Who would want Vick’s authograph in the first place? I hope the “beefed up security” consists of 10 more German Shepards with long memories of their fallen brethen. I would pay good money to watch Vick try to outrun them.

  19. birdmancometh says: Mar 4, 2010 10:52 AM

    Yeah MDS, and thats a real “honorable” article. You perfect people need to get off your high horse and be happy that Vick has been trying like hell to change his life and image.
    Don’t you think the “honorable” thing to do would be to applaud his courage? (you know, since it’s the Ed Block Courage Award) He faces nothing but hate from people unable to forgive everyday. This is no longer about what he did, but what he’s doing.

  20. Boudin says: Mar 4, 2010 10:55 AM

    aw come on…. it’s Philly!
    who’s to say that Vick wasn’t the most deserving person on that team?
    remember. it’s Philly.

  21. wiredup says: Mar 4, 2010 10:56 AM

    “If Vick were an honorable man, he’d decline to attend and let those 31 NFL players receive the recognition without any distraction.”
    — Last I checked, journalists are supposed to report the news, not give us their opinion on the situation. Not that I disagree with you but regardless.

  22. ICDogg says: Mar 4, 2010 10:56 AM

    I thought that the Eagles had a very deserving candidate for a Courage award in DT Antonio Dixon, but unfortunately they opted to make a statement in support of Vick instead.

  23. WarrenMoonGOAT says: Mar 4, 2010 10:56 AM

    get over it, life goes on

  24. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 4, 2010 10:59 AM

    “Would you be happier if Vick went back to crime? Instead he faced the cameras and the public and worked to make positive contributions in the face of embarrassment and immense scrutiny and opposition…he not only manned up, he went beyond what was legally required of him…talk about courage”
    You’re probably one of those guys that think that men who pay their child support on time deserve a pat on the back, aren’t you?

  25. SUNDAY says: Mar 4, 2010 10:59 AM

    If Vick were an honorable man… he wouldn’t hide drugs in waterbottles at airports.

  26. SUNDAY says: Mar 4, 2010 10:59 AM

    If Vick were an honorable man…
    he wouldn’t lie.

  27. SUNDAY says: Mar 4, 2010 11:00 AM

    If Vick were an honorable man…
    he wouldn’t have pictures on the internet smoking pot in the back of a limo.

  28. tikyle says: Mar 4, 2010 11:00 AM

    “If Vick were an honorable man, he’d not have gone on the radio and say he wants to be a Panther while still under contract w/ the Eagles and while he’s about to accept a $1.5M bonus this month.”
    I think Vick is more dumb than not honorable. He just will never get it. He never has.

  29. WildBirdOffense says: Mar 4, 2010 11:00 AM

    McNabb win us a superbowl in Philly? LMAO — I’ve believed that for too long. Time to move on.

  30. wiredup says: Mar 4, 2010 11:01 AM

    @WildBirdOffense
    EXACTLY! About time somebody realizes that. Look at Dante Stallworth, he killed another HUMAN with his DUI and didnt get this much press. I mean I’m not trying to justify what Vick did, because afterall and I think everyone on this planet is in agreement here, that what he did was viscious and cruel (to put it simply, call it what you will)… but there are/have been NFL players that have killed other people that have gotten less media attention.

  31. 1dayforBills says: Mar 4, 2010 11:01 AM

    Yeah, good thing that if all of us perfect people happen to go to prison for a felony, we’d all get the same love and predujice, and forever be labeled a crimanal bad guy with no chance of doing good in this world by another man who has their own faults and wrongdoings.

  32. realitypolice says: Mar 4, 2010 11:01 AM

    Wallace321 says:
    March 4, 2010 10:46 AM
    he deserves to be there. he did his time. its time to move on he is clearly doing positive now and should be awarded for it. just cause he is a felon doesn’t make him a bad person EVERYONE makes mistakes including myself.
    ====================
    We really, really, need to stop calling this a mistake. Really.
    There was no mistake about it- he set up, ran, concealed, and participated in an organized crime operation. He cheated on his taxes, he lied to the police, he screwed creditors. And that’s even before we get to the methodical torturing of animals in which he participated for his enjoyment.
    This man engaged in a systematic pattern of criminal activity over a multi-year span. That’s not a mistake.
    That being said, believe it or not I actually agree that he should be allowed to play. Legally, he did in fact do his time and satisfy his obligation to society. That is one thing. Giving him the award is quite another. For those who say who could have run and hid, and showed courage by coming back: No he couldn’t. He owes millions to creditors and had absolutely no choice but to try and come back.

  33. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 4, 2010 11:01 AM

    “The question that begs to be asked and you failed to answer is WHY is Mike Vick attending a dinner for “NFL players who have been singled out by their teammates as positive role models and pillars of the community.” Surely he has not been singled out as a pillar of the community?”
    We’re talking about Philly, here. A guy like Vick may very well be a positive role model and pillar of THAT community.

  34. CapsLockKey says: Mar 4, 2010 11:02 AM

    I agree Vick did his time and deserves a chance to work again, but by no means does he deserve a freaking award for it. What the hell is wrong with you people?

  35. realitypolice says: Mar 4, 2010 11:04 AM

    wiredup says:
    March 4, 2010 10:56 AM
    “If Vick were an honorable man, he’d decline to attend and let those 31 NFL players receive the recognition without any distraction.”
    — Last I checked, journalists are supposed to report the news, not give us their opinion on the situation. Not that I disagree with you but regardless.
    ================
    I don’t even think Florio would call himself a “journalist”. What he is, really, is a blogger. Nothing wrong with that, and it gives him the right to post his opinions in his articles.

  36. birdmancometh says: Mar 4, 2010 11:05 AM

    Have you ever lied SUNDAY?

  37. penntech04 says: Mar 4, 2010 11:09 AM

    Most of you people need some kind of mental tune up.Who better to be a role model than a person who has made mistakes in life and have worked hard to turn things around? I have worked with children in troubled cities and the last person they are going to listen to about turning things in the right direction is a person who has never been down the wrong road so I think he is the best person for this award.P.s Stallworth your next buddy

  38. Phillyman41 says: Mar 4, 2010 11:09 AM

    Who cares, this is a stupid award anyway that has 0 to do with the game of football on the field. Those 31 other players are rich and who cares whether they miss the chance to “mingle” with a bunch of white spoiled kids begging for an autograph…….this story has much to do about nothing…..GO VICK HAVE A GREAT TIME.

  39. milburg2 says: Mar 4, 2010 11:12 AM

    You are missing the point and I’m surprised esp. from a lawyer.
    The rules state, “NFL players who have been singled out by their teammates as positive role models and pillars of the community.”
    The key word is teammates. They voted for him so he should be there. End of story.
    If you have such a problem with the selection process take it up with the award committee.

  40. Big Stretch says: Mar 4, 2010 11:14 AM

    @wiredup says:
    March 4, 2010 10:56 AM
    “If Vick were an honorable man, he’d decline to attend and let those 31 NFL players receive the recognition without any distraction.”
    — Last I checked, journalists are supposed to report the news, not give us their opinion on the situation. Not that I disagree with you but regardless.
    ————————————————-
    You’re mistaken in thinking that Florio is a journalist. He’s just a blogger with an bigger than normal audience

  41. Eric Q says: Mar 4, 2010 11:15 AM

    @realitypolice…You might want to check who submitted this article…It wasn’t Florio.

  42. psj3809 says: Mar 4, 2010 11:15 AM

    LL Live – Are you joking ?
    Vick was ‘brave’ and faced the cameras and went public ? He ‘manned up’ ?
    If he came out straight away and said he did it then perhaps you could say hes on the ‘right path’. He was lying constantly, lying to the commish at the draft, to Arthur Blank and to everyone else.
    RIGHT at the last second Vick finally admitted what he had done when it was way too late. Hes now with some PR guy who is telling him what to say and do and what events to go to, before that he didnt want anything to do with any animal rights organisations and was a complete coward.
    How his teammates voted him the Ed Block courage award winner is a disgrace

  43. Outfoxed says: Mar 4, 2010 11:17 AM

    My comment is simple:
    Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
    Now I am not an overly religious person that loves to turn the other cheek, however, bringing up his past transgressions will not accomplish anything. He screwed up, he paid his dues, and he is fortunate enough to have the skills to move on with his life in the NFL. Why would that bother the hate-mongers?

  44. billsfanaddict says: Mar 4, 2010 11:18 AM

    u said it perfectly, if he were an honorable man, which ends any chance of it happening

  45. My Coke Can says: Mar 4, 2010 11:19 AM

    Mike Dick is not a changed person, he puts on the act because he wants to TRY to play qb again and wants the money that goes along with it. It is so funny that AFTER someone gets caught they realize that what they have been doing is wrong. He is a waste of space. He could never survive being a normal person with a normal job.

  46. Voxy Moron says: Mar 4, 2010 11:20 AM

    it bugs me that mike vick got the award, but it bugs me more that tom brady got it as well

  47. RayDaMayor says: Mar 4, 2010 11:24 AM

    The courage to slaugter animals should never be underestimated……

  48. robothero says: Mar 4, 2010 11:25 AM

    Isn’t this award voted by his teammates?
    Sounds like all of you haters shouldn’t be angry at the group that created this award or Vick himself, but the 52 other players who decided he was the best choice. They should be the ones who should have to answer as to why he was the best choice, not Michael Vick.

  49. wydok says: Mar 4, 2010 11:26 AM

    Maybe instead of killing dogs and serving time, he should have killed a person and got away with it.

  50. realitypolice says: Mar 4, 2010 11:29 AM

    Eric Q says:
    March 4, 2010 11:15 AM
    @realitypolice…You might want to check who submitted this article…It wasn’t Florio.
    ======================
    My bad. No excuse. I hate when other people do that, so I’ll take the heat for not checking.
    So let me alter my point- PFT is not a site for journalism. It is really just a blog- a very popular blog, but still a blog. Therefore, all of the people writing entries- and posting replys, are entitled to their opinion.

  51. Whodey08 says: Mar 4, 2010 11:30 AM

    If Vick were and honorable man:
    He would repay everyone he stiffed by declaring bankruptcy

  52. SUNDAY says: Mar 4, 2010 11:32 AM

    @ birdmancometh
    No.
    I’m a Eagles fan. Get him out of there. Sick of the drama for a QB that threw 13 passes last year.
    Trade em all, let AR sort it out…

  53. Big Stretch says: Mar 4, 2010 11:33 AM

    Vick + Honorable = hahahahahahahahahahaha
    Vick + NFL QB = hahahahahahahaha

  54. Subpar says: Mar 4, 2010 11:35 AM

    Several issues here. Did he serve his time? Yes. Should he be allowed back into civilization? Yes. Should he be getting paid millions and millions of dollars? Hell no. Let him go out and try to make a living. Should have been banned from football.
    Comparing Donte Stallworth to him is insanity. Donte Stallworth showed remorse, and cooperated with the police on A BAD JUDGMENT CALL from the beginning. He didn’t say “today….I’m gonna run someone over”. He was dumb drank to much and hit a guy (that is being contested that he would have hit anyways which is why he only got the sentence he did, jumping over a barrier on a highway isn’t smart either). Leonard Little? Complete moron. Still didn’t do it on purpose.
    This guy willingly took living dogs and killed them with his bare hands on purpose. Did not cooperate. Repeatedly lied about doing it and plea bargained down so that “the most gruesome details would not be released”. That’s right he did stuff worse then drowning, body slamming and hanging dogs that “weren’t mean enough” or “could no longer fight”. He is a sick and twisted person. There is no Rehab for completely sick. I think he served his time. I don’t think he should be in jail anymore. But for the love of god you people saying “stop being haters” (surprise most of you have “bird” in your names way to blindly root for any piece of crap on your team) really are going to defend giving someone who killed animals with his own hands time after time and buried them in his backyard a courage award? When you feed your dogs today think about someone slamming their heads into concrete till they die and tell me if you want that person to get paid millions of dollars to play football and win a nationally recognized courage award with adoring fans asking for autographs.

  55. smiley says: Mar 4, 2010 11:36 AM

    If the Dog Killer was an honorable man he……would attach a battery to his testies and let her rip!!

  56. jwill007 says: Mar 4, 2010 11:39 AM

    “A. Effing. Men.
    I would love to hear even the most ignorant of Michael Vick “supporters” tell me why he deserves an award for “courage”.
    What did he do? Seriously, what did he do?
    I’ve heard some argue that he is a “changed” man.
    How?
    Seriously…how?
    I’ve actually never once heard him apologize for the incredible, stunning cruelty he showed those dogs.
    I’ve heard him talk with regret of getting CAUGHT.
    I would wager that if dogfighting was suddenly legal in the United States today, he would be doing it TOMORROW.
    Let me once again point out that Michael Vick, contrary to popular belief, did not accidentally run over a pit bull with his truck. Michael Vick, in fact, did not only kill dogs.
    He took these dogs and purposely, willfully and repeatedly killed them in the most cruel and painful manners imaginable.
    He hung them by the neck with wire, he drowned them, he grabbed them by the neck and slammed them into the ground face-first until dead.
    How “courageous”, harming creatures who can not fight back.
    He is SCUM.
    And as a 20-year Buffalo Bills fan with season tickets, who purchases WAY too much merchandise every single year, I will DROP this team if this lowlife ever signs.”
    Then dont let the doorknob hit you in the ass on teh way out….BITTER AMERICANS I tell ya….I g uess the dude should remain a criminal…he is changing his life and he has said “IM SORRY” so what the f–k are you talkin about! SOME PEOPLE only want to hear what they want to hear and if it was your son you wouldnt be talkin about him like that would you???? FAKE HYPOCRITICAL PEOPLE!

  57. Robert P. says: Mar 4, 2010 11:40 AM

    RE: Wallace
    Ummm, which part was a mistake? When he accidentally tortured several dogs over a 4 year span?
    Accidentally grabbed them by the neck and slammed them into concrete until bloody and dead?
    What about accidentally using the name Ron Mexico to knowingly give women herpes?
    Someone get this man another courage award, STAT!

  58. Count Sacula says: Mar 4, 2010 11:43 AM

    .VoxVeritas says:
    March 4, 2010 11:01 AM
    “The question that begs to be asked and you failed to answer is WHY is Mike Vick attending a dinner for “NFL players who have been singled out by their teammates as positive role models and pillars of the community.” Surely he has not been singled out as a pillar of the community?”
    We’re talking about Philly, here. A guy like Vick may very well be a positive role model and pillar of THAT community.
    ___________________________________
    You mean the same way that Dallas deserved Pacman and that scumbag Irvin?

  59. vikingsuperbowls=0 says: Mar 4, 2010 11:46 AM

    i dont understand why you people are so infuriated by Vick. get over it, the man spent his time in prison and is relatively broke – lost more than 99% of you will ever have. granted its completely his fault and he deserved the outcome, but let it go.
    let the idiot move on with his life…and make career decisions based-on uniform colors like a b!tch.
    i dont care if gets some award i never heard about or care about. out of the other 31 winners i guarantee there is at least 4 other rotten humans.

  60. Subpar says: Mar 4, 2010 11:48 AM

    If Vick were honorable….he would realize he doesn’t deserve an award at all, and instead have the people who took the dogs out of the shelters and animal rescues and are no working with them at their houses. They are the courage award winners.

  61. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 4, 2010 11:50 AM

    @ wallace
    The man never did time for animal cruelty therefor he didnt do his time and as a result he needs to do some. And he does nothign for the community.
    @ 1day
    In the event that I lower myself to commiting a felony, I dont want people to feel bad for me or forgivness. In fact I am such a scumbag that I don’t deserve it.
    @ realitypolice
    Florio didn’t write the article…
    @ LL
    Again, Vick never served his time
    @ birdman
    When he deserves forgivness he shall receive it.
    This is the best article ever written on this site. Well done MDS.

  62. Count Sacula says: Mar 4, 2010 11:52 AM

    @ Phillyman41:
    Spoiled white kids? Really dude? Racist.

  63. toe-to-toe bird law says: Mar 4, 2010 11:55 AM

    Crimes against animals do not equal crimes against humanity.
    Mike Vick committed a heinous crime. Mike Vick served his time. Mike Vick plays football again. People protest Mike Vick’s return to football.
    I expect every critic of Vick’s return to the NFL to be protesting in full force when Donte Stallworth takes the field again.

  64. butchie11 says: Mar 4, 2010 11:56 AM

    I’m an Eagles fan, a dog lover and a lawyer. I thinks it’s absolutely aweful what he did and was punished accordingly (probably more then the normal person would have been). Before him, the most anyone spent in jail for the same offense was something like 3 months in the state of VA. He was made an example and that’s fine. The laws aren’t strong enough in that area, but that’s another story.
    You people have to give it up, it is a stupid award the players voted on so blame the players who voted for him. Why would he not show up? And as for reaching out to younger people, my brother got into a lot of trouble as a kid. Now he works at a detention center in Easton, working with teenagers that were in gangs. He tells me how many people work there for a few days and can’t handle it because the kids don’t listen. He was never in or associated with a gang, but he was arrested a few times and he can relate to the kids and I’ve never seen him prouder when he talks about kids that he helped reform because he was able to get through to them where someone like myself probably wouldn’t have been able to.
    So, in my mind, Vick did his time, lost millions and millions of dollars, and if he helps just one kid that is great. Again the award is a joke. Blame the Eagles’ players for voting for him, not him in this case.

  65. Eric Q says: Mar 4, 2010 11:56 AM

    @realitypolice: It’s all good…And generally, I agree. My favorite part about PFT topics? The comments section.

  66. Marc F says: Mar 4, 2010 11:57 AM

    If Michael Vick were an Honorable man, ..
    he would have stayed out of the media, hid in a cave, become a neanderthal, and continued to kill dogs for the fun of it.
    Then all you piss ant bastards who can’t get the fact he paid his debt, the man did 2yrs at leavenworth. ask any military person what that name means. that is the Hardest place to do time. He apologized for his actions, he did the time by what was ruled in the court of law, made up of a selected few citizens, who we all elect to represent our views.
    where’s Ray lewis? Dante Stallworth, Leonard Little is all these discussions?
    the most of you are nothing but a flash in the pan trying to get you rocks off cause you’re angry pricks sitting in your boxers mad at the world cause you can’t get a fraction of the respect or $$$ that Vick does.
    Funny how when he played in Atlanta this yr, and all the media thought it was going to go bad, and all the protests.. yeah, like 1 person protested Michael Vick… and all his former team mates and coaches came to talk to him after the game. Cause they know and understand what he did, and that he served time.
    people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

  67. Robert Littal says: Mar 4, 2010 12:01 PM

    This is a hypocritical article. Let me send the private investigators out on MDS or anyone else and see what skeletons are in their closets.
    If you have never made a mistake then you can talk until then it isn’t your decision to play moral police unless you want someone knocking at your glass house.

  68. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 4, 2010 12:03 PM

    @ jwill
    Whats wrong? Did someone make too much sense and it made you mad? What has he done to show remorse again? And I for one cannot be a hypocrite as I have never so much as smacked my dog let alone beat it. And he will for the rest of his life be a criminal. Now if he had stolen a loaf of bread to feed his family then you are right we should forgive him. Maybe you should raise your morals and personal expectations.
    @ vikingssuperbowls (good name by the way)
    Read what the rest of us are saying… he DIDNT DO HIS TIME. That is the point and half the problem. He isn’t broke and if you consider his income broke then I want your job.

  69. Terry says: Mar 4, 2010 12:07 PM

    This is what you get when you let the “IDIOTS” in the locker room vote for ANY award!

  70. tombrookshire says: Mar 4, 2010 12:08 PM

    @birdmancometh – Are you out of your freakin’ mind?

  71. In Motion says: Mar 4, 2010 12:09 PM

    If his team mates overwhelmingly voted for him then who is anyone to say otherwise? Were any of you vick haters with him every day? If you have a problem with him being there you should take it up with the eagles team members not him.

  72. LL Live says: Mar 4, 2010 12:10 PM

    “You’re probably one of those guys that think that men who pay their child support on time deserve a pat on the back, aren’t you?”
    Vox – You are a blight on the star! Your logic defies the use of the word logic. When he got out of jail, he did not have to do anything other than stay out of trouble. He did much more positive that he was not required to do. Most people with that experience would have run off and become a real thug. Facing all of the fallout, dude, that took courage and great humility. You have 1/1,000,000,000th the courage of Mike Vick. If he hadn’t have killed those dogs, I would sic one on your ass! I bet peeps would pay to see that! Jerry could probably pack in 108,000 to watch. SRO in the party plaza’s beotch!

  73. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 4, 2010 12:11 PM

    @ Robert
    I got a speeding ticket once or twice does that make me a hypocrite? There is a difference between mistakes and Mike Vick. Sorry bro, the truth is hard to swallow sometimes.

  74. kingkolb says: Mar 4, 2010 12:13 PM

    to those who bring up the drunk driving killings of Little and Stallworth, I couldn’t agree more. I think it’s ridiculous that people are more outraged that Vick is back playing when all he did was take animal life, but no one so much as muttered a peep regarding the HUMAN LIVES taken at the hands of Leonard Little and Dante Stallworth. Human life

  75. 1dayforBills says: Mar 4, 2010 12:16 PM

    “In the event that I lower myself to commiting a felony, I dont want people to feel bad for me or forgivness. In fact I am such a scumbag that I don’t deserve it. ”
    You don’t have to lower urself to commit a crime, life is crazy, u never know what the hell can happen, no matter how sheltered or secluded ur life may be. If u base ur thoughts on anyone who breaks manmade laws being a scumbag, there’s no chance for society. Dirty scumbag j-walkers and theifs that sample bulk food before purchasing huh?
    If u shot an unarmed man breaking into ur home, u may find urself behind those same bars. could be speeding on way to work and hit an innocent child. Before simply stating that I’d never get in trouble, and wouldn’t care to be outcast from society for commiting a crime(which nessacaryly does not always agree with our own morals) just think about how you’d feel.
    Futhermore, Vick is probaby going through more and more punishment every day. I know if I was really remorseful for something I did, I know I’d be hella pissed if I were trying to live my life a different way, and millions of pontificators tell me I’m not a changed man, not knowing a damn thing about where my heart really is.
    Idk, Vick could be a big liar and wants to kill more dogs and give out herpes, but I’m not gonna be the one to judge him.

  76. WarrenMoonGOAT says: Mar 4, 2010 12:20 PM

    GET OVER IT, MOVE ON

  77. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 4, 2010 12:23 PM

    @ LL
    I love where your morals are. A man who systematically tortures dogs and gets off from doing it has courage? And then when he goes to jail he suddenly becomes this courageous individual? And then when he gets his millions back he is even more courageous? And then you want to sick a dog on someone who disagrees with you? Everyone on here, including yourself is more courageous than that scumbag or any criminal.

  78. Stoogie says: Mar 4, 2010 12:26 PM

    @LL Live –
    “He did much more positive that he was not required to do.”
    Like what? Outline all the “much more positive” he has done since he was released that doesn’t include the community service he’s had to serve (if any).

  79. East Bay Ray says: Mar 4, 2010 12:28 PM

    Chapnasty2 says:
    March 4, 2010 12:11 PM
    @ Robert
    “I got a speeding ticket once or twice does that make me a hypocrite? There is a difference between mistakes and Mike Vick. Sorry bro, the truth is hard to swallow sometimes.”
    Thank you! We have all made mistakes, done dumb things, “sinned” if you want to use religious language. We are NOT all convicted felons. Can everybody see the difference there?

  80. mustangGT says: Mar 4, 2010 12:29 PM

    wydok says:
    March 4, 2010 11:26 AM
    Maybe instead of killing dogs and serving time, he should have killed a person and got away with it.
    you couldnt have said it any better
    in example donte stallworth, ray lewis, leonard little. The man did his time for what he did now get over it. If it bothers you then tought sH_it

  81. mustangGT says: Mar 4, 2010 12:32 PM

    Marc F says:
    March 4, 2010 11:57 AM
    If Michael Vick were an Honorable man, ..
    he would have stayed out of the media, hid in a cave, become a neanderthal, and continued to kill dogs for the fun of it.
    Then all you piss ant bastards who can’t get the fact he paid his debt, the man did 2yrs at leavenworth. ask any military person what that name means. that is the Hardest place to do time. He apologized for his actions, he did the time by what was ruled in the court of law, made up of a selected few citizens, who we all elect to represent our views.
    where’s Ray lewis? Dante Stallworth, Leonard Little is all these discussions?
    the most of you are nothing but a flash in the pan trying to get you rocks off cause you’re angry pricks sitting in your boxers mad at the world cause you can’t get a fraction of the respect or $$$ that Vick does.
    Funny how when he played in Atlanta this yr, and all the media thought it was going to go bad, and all the protests.. yeah, like 1 person protested Michael Vick… and all his former team mates and coaches came to talk to him after the game. Cause they know and understand what he did, and that he served time.
    people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
    ____________________________________
    awesome bro couldnt get any better

  82. BigRan-the-EagleFan says: Mar 4, 2010 12:39 PM

    All you caucasian, kkk, hating, Im too good and i never did anything bad in my life people are funny.
    You say He dont deserve the award but its an award given by the players and every eagle voted for vick except vick he did not vote at all. Who the Fukk are you to tell the players that voted unanaimously for vick he dont deserve this award. I like PFT but im starting to see a huge racial bias. Im not even speaking as an eagle fan I speaking as a person I hate George bush but republicans voted for him does that mean that all the republicans are evil (although i believe they are) no thats the candidate that they wanted. My opinion has nothing to do with there choice.
    You people that judge Vick are haters of humans and are worst than vick. He paid his debt, a punishment was given and paid and he paid more then what was asked.
    I dont understand your hate, you people are haters, racist and perfect. So why have a court system or a set of society rules because even if someone pays whats asked they are still never going to be good enough in your bias, racist holier than thou eyes including you florio. How about phrasing a article in a non hating perspective (not liking but just not hating) when mentioning vick, maybe thats too much like right.

  83. phillyeagleschamps says: Mar 4, 2010 12:43 PM

    Philly has embraced Vick, his jerseys are the number one seller in the city.
    Mike has converted to Islam and changed his life.
    It is great having his presence in Philly.

  84. Stetson wears panties says: Mar 4, 2010 12:52 PM

    This is an embarrassment to the award and every past winner.
    Vick should do the world a favor and swallow some buckshot.

  85. OranjelloJones says: Mar 4, 2010 12:55 PM

    mark F and toe to toe bird law…you’re both wrong and painfully so. Stick to the facts if you’re gonna step up on that high horse. The guy never served a day for a single charge in Virginia…in other words the guy never served a day for cruelty to animals.
    As to what would be done to a “regular guy”:
    1. I have to laugh at the notion that he’d not STILL be in jail if he was a “regular guy” who couldn’t afford the army Vick was able to hire. A regular guy wouldn’t have served that long? LOL…put the pipe down. The new federal statutes make it so a guy will do about 15-20 months in prison and that’s with a much more limited case than this. It also doesn’t take into account all the gambling etc charges that he WAS prosecuted for. Vick got off light and you’re kidding yourself if you don’t see that.
    2. He’d have actually been tried and convicted of his crimes in Virginia instead of a prosecutor bowing to political pressure.
    3. A regular guy would be flipping burgers or sweeping floors. Regular guys who are convicted of felonies don’t get out and become welcomed back to their old jobs with open arms and millions of dollars. A doctor or a lawyer pulls that and he’s done, disbarred and stuck doing clerk work or research that is still possible after losing your license serving prison time for felonies. He damn sure wouldn’t be able to just pick up with another firm/practice where he left off and he would be a professional AND social pariah, not celebrated with courage awards. Only a bunch of meathead football players could be dumb enough to do this, so in that sense you’re right the outrage should most ardently be directed at the players who voted this. The people giving the award could show some backbone and moral fortitude by telling them “Ummm…No.”. There’s no law that’s going to force them to give this scumbag an award. They’re being pussies by hiding behind the “The players voted it so we HAVE to award it” crap. So what if the Panthers had been this dumb and voted Caruth as their Courage award winner. Same copout there?
    People like you are exactly why our country is going down the tubes in many regards. There is very little accountability in our society as long as someone issues a hollow verbal apology. The thing is this walking waste of Oxygen hasn’t done that, he’s shown regret for embarrassing people but never once an apology for acting like a brutal maniac.
    Enough about him getting second chances either…his second chance was when he walked out of prison a free man. Playing in the NFL is a privilege and should be done if you commit felonies. So yea the guys who get felony DUI’s …gone, Little, Ray Ray, Haynesworth, Stallworth et al…all gone if I’m commish.
    Playing in the NFL is NOT a right and the sooner it actually starts being treated like the privilege it is the sooner we stop having to hear about douchebags like Vick getting absurd courage awards.
    Please.

  86. OranjelloJones says: Mar 4, 2010 1:03 PM

    LL Live…Chrsit on a Crutch you’re going top make me side with freakin Vox of all people?
    “Facing all of the fallout, dude, that took courage and great humility”
    What fallout exactly? The guy gave almost zero interviews, did everything BUT do a media mea culpa tour, got almost no fallout from Philly’s fans, none from teammates obviously since the dumbasses voted him as the recipient of a freakin courage award and was actually protected by The Eagles organization who wouldn’t allow any protesting and confiscated signs etc.
    Seriously you need to take a deep breath and get some Oxygen into that bloated vacant head of yours. Fallout? Hah! That’s hysterical!
    The guy had so much fallout he didn’t even serve a day for a single dogfighting charge, he got busted for gambling and interstate racketeering issues… and still got out in about 2 years. Pot dealers get longer sentences!

  87. BigRan-the-EagleFan says: Mar 4, 2010 1:06 PM

    All you caucasian, kkk, hating, Im too good and i never did anything bad in my life people are funny.
    You say He dont deserve the award but its an award given by the players and every eagle voted for vick except vick he did not vote at all. Who the Fuqk are you to tell the players that voted unanaimously for vick he dont deserve this award. I like PFT but im starting to see a huge racial bias. Im not even speaking as an eagle fan I speaking as a person I hate George bush but republicans voted for him does that mean that all the republicans are evil (although i believe they are) no thats the candidate that they wanted. My opinion has nothing to do with there choice.
    You people that judge Vick are haters of humans and are worst than vick. He paid his debt, a punishment was given and paid and he paid more then what was asked.
    I dont understand your hate, you people are haters, racist and perfect. So why have a court system or a set of society rules because even if someone pays whats asked they are still never going to be good enough in your bias, racist holier than thou eyes including you florio. How about phrasing a article in a non hating perspective (not liking but just not hating) when mentioning vick, maybe thats too much like right.

  88. Vick's failed drug test says: Mar 4, 2010 1:09 PM

    Great post Oranjello
    This fraud of a qb should still be in prison. He had the VA DA(dumb ass) in his back pocket from day 1. Wonder why?

  89. birdmancometh says: Mar 4, 2010 1:09 PM

    @tombrookshire –
    No. I take it you disagree with me. It’s not easy to earn back peoples trust, but he’s trying. He needs to be commended for that. Some of the haters are racist and will never change their minds. Some are dog lovers who will never forgive him. Some of you are Cowboy/Redskin/Giants fans who will not relent until he’s no longer an Eagle.
    Whatever, thats fine, but don’t you agree that at some point doubters have to admit that he actually has changed? If you say “he never will and if it looks like he has then he’s faking it” then he has no chance and you’re being closed minded. It’s a lose/lose for him. At least those closest to him (Eagles players) seem to believe he’s making an effort.
    Whatever, this it too long. I really don’t care. Good for you Mike, have fun at the dinner.

  90. WildBirdOffense says: Mar 4, 2010 1:23 PM

    First off, he didn’t “murder” innocent family pets.
    These dogs were bred from birth to be KILLERS.
    We don’t see a problem with killing other human beings on death row do we? Then why should we see a problem with putting to sleep a dog that is a danger to everyone?
    Not saying it’s right — but he’s speaking out against it now and he paid his debt. Let him move on.

  91. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 4, 2010 1:29 PM

    “I expect every critic of Vick’s return to the NFL to be protesting in full force when Donte Stallworth takes the field again.”
    Why? What he did was an accident. What Vick did was not an accident.
    0-3gle fans continue to prove themselves to be the dumbest animal killers on the planet.

  92. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 4, 2010 1:30 PM

    “Sounds like all of you haters shouldn’t be angry at the group that created this award or Vick himself, but the 52 other players who decided he was the best choice. They should be the ones who should have to answer as to why he was the best choice, not Michael Vick.”
    Didn’t you hear? It was unanimous. Meaning that Vick voted for himself, too.

  93. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 4, 2010 1:36 PM

    “I’m an Eagles fan, a dog lover and a lawyer. I thinks it’s absolutely aweful what he did and was punished accordingly (probably more then the normal person would have been). Before him, the most anyone spent in jail for the same offense was something like 3 months in the state of VA.”
    What he was convicted of amounts to racketeering. He’s lucky the feds didn’t bring RICO charges against him. Vick didn’t do a minute in jail for killing those dogs.

  94. -Slap- says: Mar 4, 2010 1:39 PM

    Vick’s apologists are as almost as disgusting as the sick freak they worship.

  95. Staubach says: Mar 4, 2010 1:40 PM

    MDS-
    You should set an example and list the 31 other winners and their respective teams to honor thier accomplishments rather than letting “the Vick situation” overshadow your coverage of the awards.

  96. Stetson wears panties says: Mar 4, 2010 1:42 PM

    WildBirdOffense
    This psychopath and his crew of thugs would steal family pets and use them as bait dogs.
    Based on how he has played If Vick were held to the same scale, he would have been put down long ago.

  97. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 4, 2010 1:51 PM

    “When he got out of jail, he did not have to do anything other than stay out of trouble.”
    Right, but instead he and his handlers embarked on a long and arduous campaign to rehabilitate his public image, eventually signing with the 0-3gles, who didn’t even have him work out before getting his name on the dotted line. Then the 0-3gles started using their resources to help rehabilitate his image, apparently hoping that they could parlay a draft pick or two out of it.
    0-3gles = pimp looking to turn a profit by selling someone else’s ass.
    Vick = ugly, diseased whore that will remain an ugly, diseased whore no matter how much lipstick you put on him.

  98. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 4, 2010 1:53 PM

    “You don’t have to lower urself to commit a crime, life is crazy, u never know what the hell can happen, no matter how sheltered or secluded ur life may be.”
    Yeah, one day you might trip and accidentally sponsor an interstate dogfighting ring and kill a bunch of dogs for fun in the process before you even know it. Then where will you be chapnasty, THEN WHERE WILL YOU BE?

  99. Robert P. says: Mar 4, 2010 1:56 PM

    @chapnasty
    The funny thing is, this doesn’t even apply to convicted felons.
    Donte Stallworth, for example, can play for my team any day.
    Yes, he killed a HUMAN BEING!!!!!! (GASP!!!!!! THE HORRORS!!!!!).
    However, this is a human being who himself was negligent in running across a highway without using a crosswalk and Donte ***UNINTENTINOALLY*** made a mistake, albeit an incredibly stupid, irresponsible one.
    THAT is a mistake.
    Torturing those dogs in the unrelentingly cruel manners as Vick is NOT a mistake. It’s anything BUT a mistake.
    That’s who he is. No different than a child rapist. You are what you are. You either have a thirst for blood, or you don’t.
    See the difference, people?

  100. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 4, 2010 1:57 PM

    “Im not even speaking as an eagle fan I speaking as a person I hate George bush but republicans voted for him does that mean that all the republicans are evil (although i believe they are)”
    Oh look, another functioning idiot 0-3gles fan impeaches his own argument in one moronic sentence.
    Sure, it’s because Vick is black. We wouldn’t be saying this about a white NFL QB that did the same things, would we? Choad. Go away.

  101. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 4, 2010 2:10 PM

    @ bigrain
    Sooner or later a racist POS like you would have to show up. Why is it about his race? If it was Eli Manning I would feel the exact same way. Sooner or later our society is going to have to stop considering race when they speak about people who disagree with them. Your hatred and your racism is the problem here. And for the 1000th time, he never served his time my friend and as a result his sentence couldnt have been too great. He lost his money because he was a moron financially.
    “What the hell kind of country is this where I can only hate a man if he’s white?” – Hank Hill
    @ wildbird
    Speaking as someone who purchased 3 dogs from someone who confided in me that he sold dogs to Vick, they are not born killers. They are trained to be killers through brutal methods of starvation and abuse. And again, he didn’t pay his debt….

  102. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 4, 2010 2:20 PM

    “First off, he didn’t “murder” innocent family pets.
    These dogs were bred from birth to be KILLERS.”
    I suggest you read the Dept of Agriculture’s report.
    You can see it here.
    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1124081vick1.html
    Now click on page 4.
    “On two occasions, VICK placed his (redacted) dog in the ring and the “BAD NEWZ KENNELS” pit bull dogs caused major injuries to (redacted) dog. VICK also placed his (redacted) dog in the ring. Both dogs were family pets. Both dogs were family pets. VICK, PEACE, and PHILLIPS thought it was funny to watch the pit bull dogs belonging to “BAD NEWZ KENNELS” injure or kill the other dogs.”
    “We don’t see a problem with killing other human beings on death row do we?”
    Not without reason, dunce.
    “Then why should we see a problem with putting to sleep a dog that is a danger to everyone? ”
    “putting to sleep” hahaha
    SAY it. Electrocution. Shooting. Drowning. Hanging. Slamming on the ground. For fun!

  103. BigRan-the-EagleFan says: Mar 4, 2010 2:23 PM

    @ V-cock sorry vox
    I was using bush as a point i promise you and numerous polls have been done in philadelphia and the issue is right down the middle.
    I almost sure all the haters on this forum is white and and none of them are black or less then 1% just as the numerous polls done in philadelphia. This issue is down to race, call it what you want but minorities as a whole dont hold dogs as the only denominator on ethics. Was vick wrong yes was he sentenced no matter what they convicted him of was he convicted yes did he serve his time yes so all these racist including you vox are above the judical system or above the rehabilitation system im sorry all you haters must be god because serving time and paying you debt is just not enough vox im mean hater-v

  104. OranjelloJones says: Mar 4, 2010 2:46 PM

    @toe to toe
    You did a horrible job of pointing out a double standard. You need to stay away from the apples to oranges comparisons and stay in the same fruit goups.
    There’s a few huge reasons why Stallworth got a “light sentence” and why these two cases are horrible comparisons on your part.
    1. Mitigating circumstances. Like it or not intent does matter and while Stallworth was driving drunk and should see the full brunt of the law for that, being sober wouldn’t have saved that man. The guy ran out on to an Interstate, at night and hopped a barrier to do it.
    2. The Reyes family was O.K. with it. They were devastated by the loss but by all accounts they seem to put as much blame on their flesh and blood as they do Stallworth and they had no protest to Stallworth’s deal.
    3. It was an accident followed up by an immediate confession coupled with profound and evident remorse. Vick never has showed remorse, fought, lied, obfuscated and did everything BUT take responsibility for his actions. he also not only participated in but coordinated an interstate crime organization and consciously repeated his crimes over and over.
    Last but not least, the fact that you didn’t mention the crimes he WASN’T tried for speaks volumes. That’s EXACTLY the problem, this douchebag HASN’T done his time and HASN’T payed his debt to society and until he does him getting put on a pedestal to the tune of millions and bogus courage awards will indeed cause outrage.
    Lose sleep over it? Nah but jaw about it when someone brings it up and in the context of the guy getting a freaking courage award? You betcha, if that burns you’re little biscuits, too bad. The LEAST this turd deserves is heat from fans if he’s going to get off Scott free on many of the charges and basically get a free pass from the league on it (Him getting credit for serving a suspension while simultaneously doing time behind bars might be the most absurd part of all of this).

  105. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 4, 2010 2:46 PM

    @ bigran
    “I almost sure all the haters on this forum is white and and none of them are black ”
    If it comes down to race it is because you are making it about race. If black people think this behavior is ok, and I am pretty confident that not all of them do, then there is a serious issue that your culture needs to address. The mutilation and systematic murdering of animals is a key sign of someone with issues that could resort to human murder sooner or later.
    Do you speak for all black people? I certainly don’t speak for all white people as I understand that we are individuals with individual beliefs and undertandings. In fact I see all people in that light. I find it odd, and to be honest 100% ironic that you are speaking for all black people and then calling us the racists.

  106. LL Live says: Mar 4, 2010 2:52 PM

    They were pitbulls not chiuauas. All pits should be killed…
    I only want to sic pitbulls on Vox and the holier than thou crowd…there seems to be a lot of them lurking here…if the stiletto fits…
    From $100 mil to bankruptcy court…yeah, that’s broke…it’s all relative…
    Compared to some, Vick is a chior boy…now about that wonderlic score….
    Who really gives a shit about the award anyway…I don’t…do you guys donate to it? Do you attend the banquet Pollyanna? I suppose if the pink thong fits, show it off bitches…

  107. East Bay Ray says: Mar 4, 2010 2:57 PM

    @ BigRan-the-EagleFan:
    By calling all who disagree with you “racists” and “haters”, you are part of the problem.

  108. MrHumble81 says: Mar 4, 2010 2:59 PM

    Am i missing something here? since when is a dog on the same level as a human? Lets say i go outside and TORTURE, ELECTROCUTE, SLAM some cockroaches, ants, flys, etc….. so what!! they are animals. I understand what he did was evil but he has been punished enough. If you people have a problem with what he did then you better stop going to Seaworld, zoos, etc… those animals are like slaves! They are confined to there cage and have to perform shows over and over again. But i dont see anyone complaning about that.
    WAKE up people! Humans > DOGS.
    We can go to a pet store and BUY DOGS! In Asia they EAT DOGS! Get over it! we have enough problems in this world than to be bitching about Dog fighthing. Vick is trying to turn his life around and he has to start somewhere.

  109. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 4, 2010 3:12 PM

    @ ll
    Not all pits should be killed. Are you on crack? The ones who are tortured and brutally abused to be fighters should be put to sleep yes but all of them? I have 2 and they are tremendous pets when responsible people own them.

  110. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 4, 2010 3:27 PM

    @ mrhumble
    Insects are not animals and if you think so then I am sure we will see you on one of those animal cops shows. In some countries people eat humans, are you implying that we should go eat eachother just because another cutlure does it? Some people in other countries believe if they kill themselves for their religion they get to have sex with numerous virgins, should we all go kill people? Your points are hearby proven to be wrong. I hope that humbled you.

  111. Robert Littal says: Mar 4, 2010 3:33 PM

    Profootballtalk has given an award to Jared Allen twice and he is a two time DUI offender. So under this working theory PFT will never be the same.
    Hypocritical

  112. mr_jbrown says: Mar 4, 2010 3:34 PM

    It’s a shame that people can’t let it go. I hope MV7 looks at it how I look at it, it doesn’t matter if animal lovers forgive him or not. At the end of the day, the law forgives Michael Vick. He served his time and moved on from the incident. so should everyone else.

  113. Whiterhinocerous says: Mar 4, 2010 3:35 PM

    # .VoxVeritas says: March 4, 2010 1:29 PM
    0-3gle fans continue to prove themselves to be the dumbest animal killers on the planet.
    ————————————–
    http://www.myspace.com/warlock978
    Vox Veritas’ Myspace page, which proves why he’s so bent out of shape about this. Dude looks like Beethoven had a litter of puppies with Jabba the Hut, and he was the retarded runt of the litter.

  114. TheWizard says: Mar 4, 2010 3:41 PM

    He served his time and moved on from the incident. so should everyone else.
    You sound as if he’s suddenly wise and done making mistakes.
    Doubt lingers for some of us.

  115. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 4, 2010 3:42 PM

    @ robert
    I am not sure how a dUi is in the same category as interstate gambling and sadistic torture and murder of animals. I guess by your estimation and “logic” we should free a few murders too right?

  116. BigRan-the-EagleFan says: Mar 4, 2010 3:52 PM

    Chapnasty and Vox
    Sorry to bust both of your bubbles I am white.
    Myself living in philadelphia I have seen this time and time again you have a bunch of holier than thou whites that hate vick. Its been talked about and talked about in philadelphia and Vick has white and black supporters but his opponents are all white or mostly 99% white. I used caucasian because i knew both of you would believe I was black.
    This issue is race based I grew up in NE philly went to a public high school and lived with every race but when ever I have ran into haters of vick its never blacks or any other minorities. When you have that 1% of vick haters that are minorities those are the dog fanatics that believes that dogs are humans and vick should be on death row (the crazies) I like vick football ability and I hate mctrash I want him to stay and start Kolb might be the answer but the jury is still out and all of the hate and yes hate on vick is due to racism or jealousy or holier than thou attitudes. I just dont understand we live in america we have a judical system and we used it on vick but you have haters like vox that says he didnt get all the charges placed upon him so he didnt serve his debt. You want to blame vick for the prosecution not giving him more charges you want to blame vick for not making a poor mans wage you want to blame vick for the fans forgiving him. You are just haters thats it; and Im not speaking for black people im not black im speaking due to numerous surveys and peers spoken too.

  117. MrHumble81 says: Mar 4, 2010 3:56 PM

    @chapnasty insects are under the animal kingdom. Google it, I just did.
    All I’m saying is vick never hurt any humans. So don’t crucify him as if he murdered someone. He has been punished enough. He spent two yrs in jail from his family n kids n lost millions. The nfl is a business. If vick has enough skills to play and someone is willing to pay him then he has every right to play. He was voted by his peers for this award. None of us hwre have ever said a word to him to say that he doesn’t deserve this.

  118. BigRan-the-EagleFan says: Mar 4, 2010 4:05 PM

    Mr humble81 your making too much common sense for chapnasty or vox to understand you, oh and yeah im a racist against my own people, lol so dont listen too me either lol lmao

  119. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 4, 2010 4:05 PM

    @ big
    You may think it is a race issue based on what you believe and what I am trying to explain is that white people may have an issue or hatred towards him but it has nothing to do with his particular race, at least not for me. I think Tiger Woods is a scumbag husband and I think you would have a tough time arguing against that and he is black, but I bet a poll would indicate that more black people support him. Does that mean I am racist? I am sure a vast majority of black people in this country voted for Obama, I didn’t, does that make me a racist? Maybe I’m wrong and you aren’t calling me a racist for having issues with him but the race crap is annoyig. In fact all of my examples prove the irony is using “race”.
    @ Mr. Humble
    Humans are under the animal kingdom as well. Google that, I didnt need to. I don’t feel bad for him for losing millions because he did it to himself. Hell, had he invested wisely he would have still had much of that left when he got out. No one here is arguing if he has the skills to play, in fact statistically he doesnt, but that isnt here nor there. This is about if he has courage or not and when he wins the same award as Greg Decamillus who nearly became parazlyzed yet came back to coach soon after it spits in the face of the real courage that Decamillus had.

  120. Starrlady says: Mar 4, 2010 4:19 PM

    Good luck to the wonderful, dedicated people that are going to protest Michael Vick receiving the Ed Block award on March 9th. PEACEFUL and POWERFUL! Even if you stand in silence you stand in numbers and are the voices of those poor dogs that were tortured and killed by Michael Vick. I’m standing next to you in spirit. God bless you all!

  121. Robert P. says: Mar 4, 2010 4:21 PM

    RE: BigRan-The-EagleFan
    If that’s the case than it’s time that the black people who support him realize that it’s not 1965 anymore and there’s no need to support every f—ing black person just because he’s black.

  122. Starrlady says: Mar 4, 2010 4:22 PM

    Good luck to the wonderful, dedicated people that are going to protest Michael Vick receiving the Ed Block award on March 9th. PEACEFUL and POWERFUL! Even if you stand in silence you stand in numbers and are the voices of those poor dogs that were tortured and killed by Michael Vick. I’m standing next to you in spirit. God bless you all!

  123. MrHumble81 says: Mar 4, 2010 4:26 PM

    1. Vick breaks law
    2. Vick gets in trouble
    3. Vick goes to court
    4. Vick is guilty and is sentecned
    5. Vick serves time
    6. Vick is released
    7. Vick signed by Philly
    8. Vick works with community to try to turn his life around
    9. Philly players vote for Vick for award
    10. Vick will attend ceremony.
    what is all the complaning about? it is pretty straight forward to me.
    all the statements i listed above are true.
    After he served his time and is trying to turn it around people are STILL complaning and b*tching…. what more could he have done to please you people? He cant change the past…

  124. Bigbluefan says: Mar 4, 2010 4:44 PM

    Well what can I say that has not been said yes Vick is a scum bag and an ahole and every other bad name you can come up with
    As to those who feel he should get a second chance pardon me.
    If I did what he did I would be out of work unable to get a job in my profession what makes this dirt bag any better then any other excon?
    I hope he stays in Filthy for ever they are perfect for each other Vick sucks and so does the Egals

  125. MrHumble81 says: Mar 4, 2010 4:58 PM

    Lol we r animals! Learn something new everyday.
    @starlady
    There are a lot more important things to protest about than this. What if I said vick is a born again n got baptized? Its all good now then right?

  126. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 4, 2010 4:59 PM

    @ mr. humble
    you make this too easy… what has he done for the community?

  127. toe-to-toe bird law says: Mar 4, 2010 5:11 PM

    @OranjelloJones
    You’re right. Mike Vick is the devil and Donte Stallworth is a saint. How could I have been so foolish? Vick ordered and took part in the deaths of a countless number of dogs. Egads! He even took part in interstate gambling! By comparison, Donte Stallworth is an upstanding citizen. His crime was a minor one. I mean, manslaughter? What is that? For the purpose of this post, and since Stallworth is such a good fellow, I’ll refer to his transgression as “unintended life ending.” The differences between these two men is as clear as day. Stallworth was celebrating his roster bonus in Miami, and there’s no way he could have possibly been aware that his motor skills could be negatively affected by drowning himself in tequila, resulting in a BAC of 0.126. Of course he had no idea that by getting in his car in his current condition and bombing around Miami-Dade County that he was putting his life and the lives of others at risk. A veritable hero, Donte Stallworth owned up to the incident after Mario Reyes selfishly ran into Stallworth’s highway lane and pinned himself to the undercarriage of Stallworth’s Bentley. You also mentioned how the Reyes family blamed their patriarch for the accident. I heard they didn’t even like the guy, stemming from the fact that he always ate all the good cereal in the morning and because he never made time for his kids soccer games, citing that he “always had to work.” The Reyes family only depended on father Mario for income, which Stallworth provided with a settlement, so in essence, he did them a favor by supplying the money and taking away another hungry mouth, which was always hungry for the good cereal. Also, Stallworth should not be criticized for having marijuana in his system or for traveling 50 MPH in a 40 MPH zone, because it’s a well known fact a person is permitted to speed and spark up if it is in response to a celebration in Miami.
    I don’t know why this wasn’t clear to me at first glance….

  128. BigRan-the-EagleFan says: Mar 4, 2010 5:19 PM

    ok chapnasty ill answer for Mr humble
    five events where he spoke to endangered inner city youth on violence and dog fighting
    three private programs where he invited convicted youths on a closed seminar
    numerous events across philadelphia and in philadelphia public schools.
    Chap get your facts straight before you bash someone.
    yup thats nothing for the community chap you and vox are funny with all that hate.

  129. mustangGT says: Mar 4, 2010 5:24 PM

    @ MR. HUMBLE
    lmao good one at starlady
    everyone here is perfect sorry that vick ever did anything now how bout you get over it and go back to your perfect life. Just like ya did after everyone found out donte stallworth, ray lewis and leonard little killed someone.

  130. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 4, 2010 5:30 PM

    “Sorry to bust both of your bubbles I am white.”
    Want a cookie? See, there’s your problem. You think that race matters here. It doesn’t. You say that Vick is catching so much crap only because he’s black?
    You’re a white idiot.

  131. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 4, 2010 5:31 PM

    “www.myspace.com/warlock978″
    You’ve got as many tricks as Desean Jackson.
    20-16
    24-0
    34-14
    http://profiles.yahoo.com/ocelot138

  132. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 4, 2010 5:32 PM

    @ big
    Since I have putyou in your place on everything else, I was simply just asking what he has done for the community. I am not from Philly, don’t live there and the only thing I care about Philly is the show, “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia”. So thank you for clearing that up for me. For the record I also do not have the slightest clue what in the hell any other NFL athelete does for thier community either…. Where is my hate again?

  133. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 4, 2010 5:33 PM

    “I only want to sic pitbulls on Vox and the holier than thou crowd”
    Too chicken to step to me yourself, big talker?
    bok bok bok
    I’d kill them then make you cry like a little girl in front of your loved ones.

  134. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 4, 2010 5:35 PM

    “I was using bush as a point”
    The joke’s on you. You didn’t have a point.

  135. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 4, 2010 5:39 PM

    “I don’t know why this wasn’t clear to me at first glance..”
    It’s called “you were born stupid”

  136. Starrlady says: Mar 4, 2010 6:12 PM

    Here is the guy you are respecting and defending:
    He’s pimping himself to another team. Says ‘he likes the color of the shirts’ WHAT an a-hole. AND IT’S NOT A BLACK THING, GET OVER IT! Then Stephen A. Smith must be white: I think he’d disagree.
    I think Stephen A. Smith says it the best:
    http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20100304_Stephen_A__Smith__Michael_Vick_clueless_again.html
    This article and the protest, and the fact that he may be a free agent on Friday, suck it, Vick.

  137. realitypolice says: Mar 4, 2010 6:33 PM

    What he was convicted of amounts to racketeering. He’s lucky the feds didn’t bring RICO charges against him. Vick didn’t do a minute in jail for killing those dogs.
    ==================
    Right on, Vox. He is extremely lucky. Under RICO statutes, he could have gotten 20 years if it was found that his actions were part of “an ongoing criminal enterprise” which Bad Newz certainly was.
    What most of the people on here don’t understand no matter how many times it is pointed out is that MV didn’t go to jail for dogfighting. He went to jail for running an ongoing organized criminal operation. In that light- he actually got off very easy.
    On another note- can’t we retire “0-3gles”? I know it pisses them off, and I know “dog-fighter/federal racketeer/embezzler/ apologists” is a little wordy, but maybe it’s time for a new name.

  138. realitypolice says: Mar 4, 2010 6:42 PM

    I think it’s awesome how all the Eagle fans are on here defending Vick, meanwhile he is actively campaigning his way out of town. Like almost all athletes, he doesn’t give a shit about you and can’t get out of town fast enough.

  139. realitypolice says: Mar 4, 2010 7:19 PM

    The Stallworth comparisons are again driving me crazy. I guess unintelligent people have a hard time understanding the nuances of “intent” as it applies to human behavior. They can only understand “kill man, bad, kill dog, not as bad”.
    I think I may have come up with a way to make it clearer for those who can’t process complicated concepts. Complete this sentence with either “Mike Vick” or “Donte Stallworth”:
    I know (your name here) very well, and he is exactly like __________.
    Now, would you rather be compared to Mike Vick, who tortured animals, embezzled money, cheated on his taxes, ran a criminal organization, tried to smuggle drugs through an airport, knowingly transmitted Herpes to women, and lied to the police, his coaches, and everyone else?
    Or would you rather be compared to Donte Stallworth, who blew a point .12 (not really that drunk, if you understand BAC), got involved in a terrible accident, and was completely forthright and blame-accepting from the moment the accident happened?
    I know how I would answer.

  140. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Mar 4, 2010 7:20 PM

    @OranjelloJones
    No one puts it better bro, nice work.
    @toe-to-toe bird law
    Dante was a one time mistake – a horrific, irresponsible, idiotic mistake, it took a human life. But what Dante did wasn’t evil. It was a very bad error in judgement that took a human life, I haven’t heard anyone minimizing it, just stating it was an accident.
    MV did this repeatedly for 6 years. Six years of murdering animals (sick or hurt or non-fighting animals) with his bare hands for fun. It was no one time mistake, it was NO accident. It was intentional & enjoyed.

  141. BigRan-the-EagleFan says: Mar 4, 2010 7:48 PM

    @ vox
    really showing you maturity there buddy lol lmao
    my point or not your still a hater and yes race does play an issue when concerning vick. Third I enjoy ur banter but then you went all childish on me and now you just seem dumb, and uneducated. But what every your entitled to your racist biased hate based opinion.
    @starrlady
    I can truly careless about a dogs when people kill other animals for their enjoyment I own a mink eat beef and have some really nice leather seats in my car. I guess Im a animal hater just like vick. Starrlady I hope vick gets to start I dont even care where but i want him to be so good all you haters get sick of seeing him on tv and go insane lol. And starrlady please stop with the holier than thou attitude Im sure you got some stuff in your closet also. Stephen A Smith is a writer that needs to envoke opinons just like pft I believe this is the number one thread. So If i was S.A.S I would make a stand on the issues one way or the other to get some readers also. Just common sense Starr.

  142. BigRan-the-EagleFan says: Mar 4, 2010 7:55 PM

    @Junk yard
    He did his time the dogs are dead and he did his time get over it
    I truly wouldnt have gave him anytime I would have gave him counseling not time. I dont hold dogs in the same breath as humans, as some other crazy insane people do they are dogs just dogs not people they dont talk they dont go to pay taxes they dont do anything (with the exception of police dogs and seeing eye but he didnt kill them). Mike Vick needed help his crime was wrong but he did his time. Some of us are able to move past his crime and some of us are haters and will hold a grudge forever, even though he did what the courts asked him to do and some but you mad at vick because they didnt give him more charges he paid what they said to pay plus more. GET OVER IT

  143. Starrlady says: Mar 4, 2010 8:22 PM

    Good luck (and God bless!) to all those 275 people participating in the protest against Michael Vick receiving the The Ed Block Award.
    Kudos (and God bless!) to the the hundreds of people boycotting his BET show, by calling and sending endless e-mails to the advertisers, your accomplishments to date were organized and had amazing results! And still going!
    2/4/10 Update: Nivea ended their commercial sponsorship of the show after being inundated with customer e-mails complaining about their support of the program.
    2/5/10 Update: Pizza Hut asked BET to end their commercial support of the show.
    2/5/10 Update: Denny’s Restaurant contacted BET and ended their support after receiving e-mails from concerned customers expressing their opposition to the show.
    2/6/10 Update: L’Oreal terminated their support of the Michael Vick “Reality” Show and apologized for offending L’Oreal customers.
    2/8/10 Update: Nationwide Insurance issued a press release announcing that they asked BET to pull their ads from the Michael Vick Reality Show and that they do not support the program and do not wish to have any association with it.
    2/9/10 Update: I spoke with a representative from Customer Relations at Dave and Busters today. She told me that they contacted BET and insisted that they pull their ads from the show.
    2/10/10 Update: Walden University, Ballys, Applebees, and TurboTax all ended their sponsorship with the Vick show today citing that it is inconsistent with their values.
    2/11/10 Update: Maybelline and 5-Hour Energy pulled their ads from the Vick show.
    2/12/10 Update: Progressive and Avon contacted BET and told them not to play their ads during the Vick show.
    2/18/10 Update: After standing by their ads for two weeks, Sprint caved in after unrelenting e-mails and phone calls and instructed BET to pull their ads.
    2/20/10 Update: Footlocker withdrew their support of the program and stated their ads will no longer play during the show.
    2/23/10 Update: Broadview Security (formerly Brinks) said they contacted BET to ensure that their ad is not aired during the show in the future.
    2/26/10 Update: KFC notified BET that they do not want their ads playing during the show.
    _________________________________________________
    Thank GOD (and God bless!) reporters like S.A.S, who PROVOKE opinions of an animal abuser and call attention to a man that was a murderer JUST AROUND THE TIME HE BECOME A FREE AGENT. THANK YOU S.A.S.!
    Big Ran? Eat your beef and choke on it as you puke into your fur jacket.
    This isn’t going away. You’re in the minority as to wanting to see him start.
    I’ll take my ‘holier than thou’ attitude and continue to fight against Vick being in the NFL, having a show, bagging groceries at the A&P, now take your common sense and shove it up you arss!

  144. this class sucks says: Mar 4, 2010 8:45 PM

    The Vick supporters have to be some of the stupidest most stubborn people. Why would you support this guy? Lets look at some possibilities:
    1. You liked Vick before and are so stupid that you would rather try and convince people that Vick is not that bad than admit that someone you looked up to is a bad person. I am sorry, I know it sucks, Barry Bonds used to be my hero. But get over it, he is an awful human being.
    2. You like the Eagles and want to remain loyal to your players. Football is a team game, its about the team and Vick really hasn’t done much to help your team so just accept that he sucks at football now, and that yes, he is an awful person.
    3. You just like to argue or be on the minority opinion. I’m sorry you didn’t get enough attention from your dad but Vick is an awful person.
    4. You don’t think its that big of a deal that he hurt dogs. If this is the case you are a sick freak who needs mental health and should probably do us all a favor and kill yourself, or at the very least don’t reproduce (not that you would get the chance).
    5. You just hate PETA. I don’t know much about PETA but Vick being an evil sick person has nothing to do with PETA.

  145. Starrlady says: Mar 4, 2010 9:00 PM

    What’s the matter, BigRan? Pit bull got your tongue? Don’t know who to attack first?

  146. God's Own Silver and Blue says: Mar 4, 2010 9:27 PM

    ‘Update: Broadview Security (formerly Brinks) said they contacted BET to ensure that their ad is not aired during the show in the future.’
    Huge loss here – Broadview Security never shows any black people in any of their commercials anyway.

  147. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Mar 4, 2010 9:36 PM

    @BigRan-the-EagleFan
    He got off easy, whether you & the rest of the Eagle fans or the just blind MV defenders don’t like or are able to see that, the fact remains he got off easy.
    I haven’t read anywhere here where people have minimized the loss of human life when referring to MV. This is something MV supporters constantly bring up, he didn’t kill a human so what he did was ok. Vick defenders always try to minimize his actions & cloud the issues with other examples of what they feel are worse crimes. But no matter what avenue Vick defenders pick, deflecting to race, calling names, bringing up others, nothing changes the facts. MV is NO GOOD, anyone that could do what he did is abhorrently evil & got off easy.

  148. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 4, 2010 9:43 PM

    @ starlady
    Should all that be true, thank god. I called and wrote to those companies when they sponsored the Eagles and they said sorry for ya. I dont drink soda, eat kfc or partake in a variet of other junk that sponsored the Eagles… I’ve lost 30lbs.. and no I am not kidding.
    @ this class sucks
    Well played

  149. Starrlady says: Mar 4, 2010 9:48 PM

    I like what you have to say, JunkYardDogg, look at Plaxico Burress, he shot himself in his OWN FOOT and his career is over….hello? Compare that with gambling, murdering for 6 years…..

  150. Starrlady says: Mar 4, 2010 10:02 PM

    @Chapnasty2
    30 lbs! Boycotting can be the next WeightWatchers! Good for you!
    The people that are boycotting the show go hand in hand with the ones protesting the award. I’ve never seen such a well meaning, organized bunch, and I’m proud to be part of it.

  151. mustangGT says: Mar 4, 2010 11:16 PM

    @starlady
    no one cares who stopped advertising
    vick is still getting paid in the nfl
    you are still trying to save the whales and y dont i hear you go protest about how ray lewis, leonard little and donte stallworth are still playing in the nfl. You should go complain to everyone that sponsors the nfl and see if they care.

  152. BigRan-the-EagleFan says: Mar 5, 2010 12:12 AM

    @starrlady
    What you dont understand is people in philadelphia and most major cities are in favor of vick people in suburban areas are not. go take a poll in atlanta or philly or miami or la or chicago or new york. Im naming those cities because that where vick approval rating were over 68% (dont believe me google it) so when you say the majority or whatever or whoever you write to stop using there advertising dont mean a thing Vick is going to get a 1.5 million bonus and make 6 mill this year choke on that. And when I go to my season ticket holding seats wearing my vick jersey Ill make sure to wear my leather shoes and eat a burger at the game and ill buy a fur eagles hat while i wear my vick jersey. Now if i could just get the hat to be vintage pitbull ill be in luck roflmao

  153. SmackMyVickUp.com says: Mar 5, 2010 1:04 AM

    My comment is simple:
    Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
    ————–
    Your argument is about as stupid as Vick.
    Felonies are another level or crime. Felons cannot vote, own firearms or work for 90% of businesses in the US.
    He should be allowed to play in the NFL and that goes for all of the other felons Warden Goodell watches over.

  154. Quaker4 says: Mar 5, 2010 5:23 AM

    Someone actually brought up the word: Intent.
    The most important aspect in all this.

  155. JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoooo says: Mar 5, 2010 8:49 AM

    Vick clearly knows how to make good decisions:
    Carolina: ‘they have cool uniforms’
    keep it up mike. keep it up.

  156. Starrlady says: Mar 5, 2010 9:09 AM

    BigRanBaby,
    Pack up all those hot dogs and burgers, put your ass in those leather seats and following your man to Carolina, because that’s where he wants to be…. ‘they have cool uniforms’….just that shows the mentality of your hero! I’m laffing!
    Time will tell, won’t it? All I know is I feel REALLY GOOD about the accomplishments of all those people, just like me, that will continue to make his life miserable by reminding football fans, team owners, etc, what he did…….
    Vintage pit? You’ve spouted so many lame things but that was the lamest! Maybe some one should check you out to see if you kicked your dog lately or drowned him in your tub. Your a waste of my time now.

  157. Ron G. says: Mar 5, 2010 11:30 AM

    @ all you idiots and insensitive jerks!
    This man has served his time and paid his debt to society! We all make mistakes but no one should be punished for life! He has been given a second chance and if it were up to many of you, you wouldn’t have given him his first chance! Out of all the vile and ridiculous thins that have happened in our society I don’t see many of you osctrasizing others like that who have murdered humans, their families, brought others to their needs due to greed, the only life Micheal ruined was his own! When you all start being as hard on your own as you are with Vick, then this would be a just society but until this double standard has to stop!

  158. MrHumble81 says: Mar 5, 2010 11:48 AM

    i know what MV did was wrong, but he served his time giving to him by our judicial system. You people sit here and criticize a man that is trying to turn it around….. yet you dont even blink an eye to other forms of animal creulty around us….. To all of you say he is scum of the earth and doesn’t deserve a 2nd chance…. have you ever been to the Zoo or Circus?
    ohh but the Circus takes good care of the animals… WRONG!
    1.
    In many circuses, wild and exotic animals are trained through the use of intimidation and physical abuse. Former circus employees have reported seeing animals beaten, whipped, poked with sharp objects and even burned to force them to learn their routines!
    2.
    Elephants who perform in circuses are often kept in chains for as long as 23 hours a day from the time they are babies.
    but when the circus comes to town you will be first in line to get tickets for your kids!
    oh and what about the dog race tracks? Those seem to be legal. Race dogs and bet money on it!
    I dont see any of you clowns protesting in front of Sea World, Zoos, Circuses, or Race tracks…
    If you really trully loved animals then stop eating meat, fish… stop wearing leather…. stop attending circusus and zoos,… once you do all that… then we can talk.

  159. toe-to-toe bird law says: Mar 5, 2010 1:50 PM

    Quaker4 says:
    March 5, 2010 5:23 AM
    Someone actually brought up the word: Intent.
    The most important aspect in all this.
    ———————————————
    Donte Stallworth intended to drink and intended to drive. He never intended to kill a man, but what drunk driver ever did intend to kill someone?

  160. MrHumble81 says: Mar 5, 2010 2:50 PM

    Starlady…. u never answered my question from before…. would you still be protesting if MV came out and said JC is his lord n savior n that after he got released from Jail he got baptized for all his sins n now the holy spirit is in him….

  161. Starrlady says: Mar 5, 2010 2:54 PM

    Stallworth and Vick? Apples and oranges, again.

  162. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Mar 5, 2010 5:10 PM

    @ Starrlady
    Your intentions are admirable but you are wasting your time. The Vick defenders only know how to deflect, they stick up for their homey no matter whats said. Nothing they bring up changes the FACTS – MV isn’t human, no human would or could do what he did.

  163. TheGhostofBernieKosar says: Mar 5, 2010 10:30 PM

    If the Dog Killer was an honorable man he……would not accept this award.

  164. Starrlady says: Mar 5, 2010 11:01 PM

    @JunkYardDogg:
    Thanks for that, some people can’t ‘grasp’ that feeling for animals, and that’s ok. There comes a time when you have to know to walk away from it.
    “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated”. Mahatma Gandhi
    I had a conversation with one of my dearest friends today that I’ve been friends with for 20 years. She was the one I called at 2 in the morning to let know I was home from a bad date, I was the one that held her hand through her divorce and welcomed her into the ‘single’ life.
    Today was the first time we almost had an argument, and guess what it was about? That’s right, Michael Vick. We got to a point and I said, ‘we need to stop talking about this, your friendship is worth too much to me’ and she agreed.
    I’m done.
    SL

  165. Starrlady says: Mar 5, 2010 11:09 PM

    For those that give a damn:
    http://www.kyw1060.com/SPCA-Says-Dogfighting-Up-Because-of-Vick/6507085

  166. LiLsWISHA says: Mar 6, 2010 3:42 AM

    It’s a hood thing to fight pits. Point blank. Yeah and don’t compare Vick to a damn rapist. You wouldn’t get as angry if someone killed your dog than you would if someone raped your wife. You can’t say he’s a bad person since none of you know him personally. He was just misguided early in his life. He did his time. Let the man redeem himself.

  167. SoCalSean says: Mar 6, 2010 11:54 AM

    LiLsWISHA = Uneducated
    A hood thing?? Should of stopped typing after that!! I can’t say he’s a bad person?? Absolutely no logic in what you just said…
    If he was white would you defend him??

  168. ManCrushBeastMode says: Mar 6, 2010 12:37 PM

    @Big Ran
    Before you get on here and try to sound intelligent, you should learn spelling and proper punctuation.

  169. Starrlady says: Mar 6, 2010 2:40 PM

    Dear Mr.Humble:
    In answer to your question ‘would you still be protesting if MV came out and said JC is his lord n savior n that after he got released from Jail he got baptized for all his sins n now the holy spirit is in him….’
    The answer is yes, I would still be protesting.
    I respect your opinion, but the God I believe in wouldn’t approve of torturous killing, whether it’s beating seals over their heads, abused elephants in circuses, keeping orca in small tanks, or dogfighting. But I can’t fight all the fights so I picked one, one that makes me feel like a better human being at the end of the day. I chose this one against Michael Vick.
    This guy is supposed to be a role model for our kids, he’s getting a ‘courage’ award this Tuesday night, and dogfighting has INCREASED in PA since Michael Vick joined the Eagles……. what I do to bring this to people’s attention makes me a better person at the end of the day and if people disagree with me, that’s fine.
    I posted this earlier,
    http://www.kyw1060.com/SPCA-Says-Dogfighting-Up-Because-of-Vick/6507085

  170. Philly5ndime says: Mar 6, 2010 11:25 PM

    I hardly ever post on here, and the whole Michael Vick argument has died down signficantly since the summer when Philadelphia signed him. But this sems to have some activity and I definitely have an opinion. One thing is certain, Michael Vick will not be a Philadelphia Eagle in 2010 (if McNabb is staying) and Michael Vick will be making a lot of money somewhere for some team and be their starter in 2010. Everyone has picked a side and sat back and judged the man…from society to the media to the judge to Joe Schmoe on his couch…everyone is one way or the other, some feel Michael Vick should rot in hell, no longer to be able to do what he loves (play football) others say he did his time and he deserves a second chance. This was said earlier but the NFL is a business. The NFL is a multi-billion dollar business and Michael Vick will his talent as a football player and more importantly a quarterback is a very high commodity in the business of the NFL. Teams need a face of a franchise and quarterbacks are that face. Now before you jump and say Michael Vick is the wrong face you want for a franchise, lets put this out there. This society is a society based on second chances. This society is a forgiving society. People are forgiving. People have been given second chances. Why is Michael Vick not afforded a second chance? The man participated, funded and fueled an illegal business…a dogfighting company Bad Newz Kennelz…we all know what he did. We all know he served his time, lost his house and in the past year, has given back to the community and did an interview on 60 minutes. Is Michael Vick a changed man? I don’t know and I am not one who should know. I don’t know Michael Vick. I don’t know him to judge him as a man, one way or the other. But I know I like watching Michael Vick play football. I know Michael Vick did his time, and in our society, he should be given a second chance. Michael Vick did not rape any children. He did not murder any one. Those criminals should be burned, executed, and locked away for life, after the first and only time of committing such horrific acts. In some cultures, dogfighting is an acceptable practice. In our society, there are cultures where is accepted and practiced. In some cultures, dog is a delicatessen. Who am I to judge? Just because we bring dogs into our homes, to me, honestly doesn’t make me biased in that we should protect these animals because in other places, they are not protected. If that was the case, India would be declaring war on the entire world for everyone eating beef and killing the sacred animal of the cow. The Chinese Restaurant down the street would openly kill cats if no one would yell. Italians wouldn’t be looked down on for frog-leg festivals. Horse could be eaten in Eastern Europe without a double-standard in the west. Bottom line is, people are assholes, when they see someone down, they want to keep them down because of jealousy, vegeance, hatred. And yet, these are the same people on Sunday who beat their bibles and put their hands together for a superior power who is better than they. In 2010, I will be watching Michael Vick lead his team, whether it be the Rams, Panthers or Raiders—longshot, very lonshot (cough) my team the Eagles, to the playoffs because he is a dual-exciting threat in the game of football. Because he is an ultimate weapon on offense. And I will be watching Michael Vick the football player, and the man who because of a second chance after doing 18 months behind bars, is able to play football again.

  171. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Mar 7, 2010 9:09 AM

    @ Philly5ndime
    Your post makes many valid points & if this was just about dog fighting, I would agree.
    I suggest you do a little reading on the things Mike Vock did. No he didn’t murder a human being, rape or hard women or children.
    He willfully (when he had the means to have a vet onsite to put the sick or hurt dogs down), to with his bare hands electrocute, hang, drown, set on fire & beat to dealth animals that were screaming in pain & he the the other members of his posse laughed & got a kick out of this treatment & behavior. You bring up people killing for food, did Mike Vick kill thos eanimals for food?? He killed them to watch them suffer, he received some goulish charge out of electrocuting & setting sick animals on fire. Where does the killing for food thing apply??
    The people that are “assholes” as you say are the ones that blindly post without knowing the facts & stick up for MV for either the unity/race stick together thing or the Eagles/Falcons are their team thing. Rad up on what he did instead of saying everyone wants to keep him down. Excuses like that are very convenient, and believe it or not people, water down the whole unity message. MV never did any time for the horrific abuse, he did time for bankrolling a dog fighting operation due to weak authorities.
    When this is about MV killing for food, I will agree. As long as it is about sadistic & sub human serial abuse & killing of animals FOR KICKS, your rebuttal is way off. Playing in the NFL is not a right, he doesn’t deserve to be there. 18 months for what he did, the lies he told afterward is a joke, he got off easy.

  172. Starrlady says: Mar 7, 2010 10:43 AM

    Dear Philly5ndime,
    That was a mouthful, sweetheart, and I can hear where your heart is coming from, but you lost me in a few places.
    This fight against Vick isn’t dying down, it’s picking up heat like crazy due to the Ed Block courage award coming up. If you don’t see it, you are not looking in the right places. The awards are going to…well, suck, because Vick is attending. Security had to be beefed up, the fans can no longer get to their favorite player for autographs, and the situation is taking away from the wonder job the Block association does for abused children.
    If Vick was a real team player, he’d stay home and let the other 30 football players have their moment. Vick talks on 60 minutes, etc, but you can see that it’s not in his heart. He wants to impress me? Tell him to give that courage award to Hector, one of the surviving pits he tried to murder. Vicks attitude is one of ‘entitlement’, not regret, he only regrets that he got caught.
    Dogfighting in PA has increased since Vick joined the Eagles proving that Michael Vick is a horrible example for our youth. If you bring your kid to the stadium and tell him about Vick, do you say, ‘son, there goes one of the best performing QBs in NFL history’ or do you say, ‘son, killing, abusing and torturing animals is wrong, but everyone deserves a second chance’. Some people don’t believe in second chances due to the crime, public opinion is ‘it’s own’….. after Mel Gibson made a drunken fool of himself, have you seen the public accept HIM back yet? No….. So whatever the law is, it will be the public that molds your career and determines your fate.
    Maybe YOU can explain something to me or give me some insight to this.
    I heard it was McNabb that helped get Vick to the Eagles, welcomed him with open arms and it sounds like McNabb led the way for his teammates to vote for Vick for the courage award. From what I’ve read, Vick isn’t going any place, Eagles are keeping him at 3rd QB, and frankly what I saw from Kolb briefly last year, I was glad to say “VICK, WHO?” The guy was pretty good!
    Now, I’m not an Eagle fan by any means, if I was, I’d have been there with the other Eagle fans who protest against Vick every week. And I’m not crazy about McNabb (because I think he’s a big crybaby) but McNabb is more of a team player than Vick, Vick just wants to play where the uniforms are cool.
    But to me it sounds like McNabb in all his good intention (cough) has demonstrated a very cool move to keep his QB status in PA and shed BAD light on Vick just at the right time when management had a decision to make about Vick, and the Block awards where the Eagles honor Vick are coming up….. Maybe I give McNabb to much credit? Looks a little fishy to me…… just saying…..

  173. Starrlady says: Mar 7, 2010 11:00 AM

    @ JunkYardDogg,
    I’d like to add something about the ‘vets’ Michael Vick used.
    Part of dogfighting is to have the superior males mate. To do that the so called ‘vet’ surgically removes ALL THE TEETH of the female so she has no defense against the male. She is then tied to a ‘rape post’ for the males to attack. The females usually can NEVER WALK UPRIGHT their whole lives due to the fact they are kept in small cages they can’t stand up in.
    Second chances? Vick doesn’t deserve it.

  174. Ron G. says: Mar 9, 2010 6:08 AM

    @ The idiots!
    Dog fighting is not just a hood thing! Lets track back to deep rural country boys and its origination just like cockfighting, turning pits on hogs in which is what they were breed for in Europe! You have to understand alot of the origins of all hateful things especially against humanity! This didn’t start in the hood just as drugs didn’t start in the hood, or violence against mankind, or treating ppl as sub human! We have to study the roots and I bet many of that is not taught in our history books! Why is it we focus on the present day effects of these long lived events against humans and animals that were once accepted in our society! Can anyone answer that? Lets shed light to the pioneers and give them credit not the end results because everything has a start which is cause and a end which is its effect!

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