On the Wonderlic, Tebow, Clausen nearly scored in the teens

The NFL has kept a fairly tight lid on Wonderlic scores since Vince Young managed a six (or, possibly, a seven) on the 50-question intelligence test four years ago.

Still, the numbers get out.

Edgar Thompson of the Palm Beach Post has tweeted some of the quarterback numbers from this year’s Scouting Combine.

Florida quarterback Tim Tebow got only 22 of 50 questions correct.  Notre Dame’s Jimmy Clausen was only one answer better, with a 23.

Oklahoma’s Sam Bradford aced the thing (relatively speaking), getting 36 out of 50 right.

We’re not sure what the Wonderlic test means when it comes to football.  But folks tend to put more stock into it as to the quarterback position, since they are the players most likely to be processing information and making good decisions under pressure.

Then again, Dan Marino got a 13.

And now I finally understand why he wore that number.  If I had done better on the Wonderlic, I might have made the connection a bit sooner.

73 responses to “On the Wonderlic, Tebow, Clausen nearly scored in the teens

  1. You should compare Tebow’s score to other incoming TE’s. That dude WILL not be a successful QB.

  2. In terms of IQ and ability, this test is useless.
    What it can show is how serious a guy is. I recall that McNabb scored in the single digits, despite going to a very good school and seemingly being a smart guy.
    Clearly, McNabb did not take the test seriously. It was a joke to him.
    And maybe that was a clue that he would not take his craft and role as seriously, because he has the same flaws now as he did the day he came into the league. Still can’t sense pressure, manage the clock, call his own plays, or run a hurry up. Still throws wildly even with time. He doesn’t even look at film on the sideline, and doesn’t even talk to teammates on the bench unless they are up 20.
    He was still the right pick, but this test can tell you something. Of course, can one think of a worse task master than Reid – like he could be expected to get anyone to knuckle down.

  3. Well duh! Tebow thinks we were all wished into existence by a cloud dwelling, white haired magician who runs the entire universe with his son and a holy ghost. A 22 is a coup for him.

  4. According to wikipedia:
    The Wonderlic Personnel Test is a twelve-minute, fifty-question test used to assess the aptitude of prospective employees for learning and problem-solving in a wide range of occupations.[1] The score is calculated as the number of correct answers given in the allotted time. A score of 20 is intended to indicate average intelligence (corresponding to an intelligence quotient of 100; a rough conversion is accomplished via the following formula: IQ = (2WPT + 60).
    A score of 22 is not a bad score.
    As someone who has taken the Wonderlic – the questions itself are not that hard. The problem is that you only have 12 minutes to complete the questions.
    Most yahoos on the internet who mock the scores never have taken it under the time constraints.
    And for the record, this test is one of the tests that Mensa uses for membership – and i scored a 34 (i was only able to answer 34 questions in the allotted time).

  5. Or maybe McNabb’s just dumb. Ever think of that mooch? And is it just a coincidence that most of the black qb’s who take this test do very poorly? Cultural bias or something else?

  6. @mooch
    Thank you for than random Eagles rant. Moving back to the subject of the article, the wonderlic is completely useless. I hate Tebow and Clausen with a passion but even I won’t use this as ammo in arguments in the “they both are going to suck” arguments.

  7. “Tim Tebow got only 22 of 50 questions correct.”
    “If I had done better on the Wonderlic…”
    Have you actually taken the test yourself Florio, in the situatuion the athletes face? If you have, then you are in a better position to comment about someone “only” getting a certain number of questions right.
    Of course you have never played a down in the NFL, officiated a game, coached a game or run a team and that have never hindered you in the past.

  8. I think the wonderlic is dead on. How many Superbowl rings does Dan Marino have? Coincidence?

  9. Mooch, you are an idiot. Does a QB who doesn’t take his job seriously play in the game with a freaking broken ankle.? Your’re ridiculous. Just because he is not the “fiery” kind of QB you prefer, doesn’t mean he doesn’t take it seriously. Please, go far, far away and never come back. Thanks!

  10. If you had any idea of what the NY Giants test is geared to do, you’d see what I was talking about. The approach to the test is as worthy of analysis as the final score.
    But, as always, TCS is totally clueless and can’t think above a “it’s awesome / it sucks” level.
    Well played, monkey.

  11. Dan Marino also never won a Superbowl.
    go figure.
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    its so ignorant to act like winning super bowls is a reflection only of quarterback play….hopefully one day the sportscenter fans will shut up and realize that comments like this only make you look like an idiot

  12. @ pkrlvr
    Couldn’t have said it any better. “A 22 is a coup for him.” was a nice touch!

  13. Timmy actually got a 50 out of 50…he leaked that he only got a 22 because he is trying to get some street cred with the NFL.

  14. Mike Florio: The combine is useless.
    Mike Florio 2 posts later: OMG!!!! Did you see these low Wonderlic scores?????

  15. It is unfair to ask these college players – who probably haven’t taken a meaningful test since 5th grade – to subject themselves to this written test BS that the rest of the non-jock world has been having to do their whole lives.

  16. Some of those questions are just easy if you consider yourself educated at all. The problem is, by definition most football stars dont try to educate themselves while in HS or college since they’re pampered.

  17. In all fairness, there is probably some actual science on the Wonderlic and very few bible stories. It’s culturally biased against a guy like Tim. BTW, this post was blessed.

  18. “Marino was and is a loser by NFL Standards.”
    Right, the NFL’s Standardized method of dealing with losers is enshrining them in Canton.

  19. I think the wonderlic is dead on. How many Superbowl rings does Dan Marino have? Coincidence?
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    It is? How many STARTS does Alex Smith have?

  20. Didn’t Peyton Manning get like a 27? Human Computer and all. If a guys getting a 6 or 12 it should ring some alarm bells, but i dont think a score of 22 or 23 should be ridiculed.

  21. Florio, please I implore you to institute a Wonderlic test or some other form of minimal intelligence measurement as a screening device before allowing people to post comments to this site.
    Weed out the morons, so we aren’t subjected to the idiocy of posters like Bob Nelson.

  22. @Karl, to bad God is left handed, which would explain why Marino was such a d**k.

  23. Tebow’s score is actually pretty good.
    We all had to take it at work a couple of years ago. My manager got a 14, and I got a 39. Average score around the office was 21-22. The owner refused to take it for fear of being exposed like my Manager.
    Having said all that, it’s just a test. But my days with the NFLPA taught me that extremely low scores are definitely an indicator. Don’t believe me? Ask Brent Fullwood (4) and Roger Vick (4) who had the lowest scores of the 87 (I think) draft class. High scores mean less, but a six or lower is a serious warning sign.

  24. Dan Marino is the epitome great fantasy football QB.
    Probably the only way he would lead a team to a championship victory too.

  25. If there are 3 coeds with blond hair and 5 coeds with brown hair and 8 coeds with red hair how many are assaulted by Big Ben in a 45 minute time frame?

  26. Excuse me, but I think everyone’s missing the big picture.
    The Wonderlic is one of many tools used to evaluate talent for the upcoming draft. Marino scored only a 13 and was the sixth QB selected–but he was selected. And the only appropriate comparison is to the other QBs in that 1983 draft: Elway, Kelly, O’Brien, Eason, and Blackledge. Though all but O’Brien and Blackledge played in Super Bowls, only Elway has rings and Marino had more records when he retired. Both, along with Kelly, were first-ballot Hall of Famers.
    So if Marino is their measuring stick, I doubt draft gurus give as much weight to the Wonderlic as to other factors.

  27. “Nearly scored in the teens?”
    Is it really fair to say that a score of 23 is “nearly in the teens?” Is 26 also nearly in the teens? 30? 35? Let’s just report the score next time, Florio, and leave out what you think the score is “near.” We’re smart enough to know what numbers are near other numbers – But congrats on the extra clicks you got on the embellishment.

  28. “toddm6d says:
    March 10, 2010 2:10 PM
    Dan Marino is the epitome great fantasy football QB.
    Probably the only way he would lead a team to a championship victory too.

    Ignorant idiots.
    FYI if it wasn’t for Marino, the Fins back then would have lost 45 – 10 instead of 45-42, etc.
    They had no running game and that Olavedotti(sp?) defense which I’m sure gave up a league leading record number of points.
    I guess you guys still have sour grapes when a Marino led team kicked your ass.
    Yes, Dan is as dumb as they come, but on the field the guy was amazing. To say that he was a loser because he didn’t have a SB ring is plain stupid. Football is a team sport and 1 person cannot win you a SuperBowl. Ask Peyton Manning this year.

  29. Brewster says:
    March 10, 2010 1:55 PM
    Florio, please I implore you to institute a Wonderlic test or some other form of minimal intelligence measurement as a screening device before allowing people to post comments to this site.
    Weed out the morons, so we aren’t subjected to the idiocy of posters like Bob Nelson.
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    i second that!!!!
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    ZombieRevolution says:
    March 10, 2010 1:33 PM
    Of course you have never played a down in the NFL, officiated a game, coached a game or run a team and that have never hindered you in the past.
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    then again, the same could be said for the millions of moron’s who make the most ridiculous posts on PFT daily, (especially the Eagles fans who can coach better than Reid)

  30. Mike: If you’re really that interested in Tim Tebow’s Wonderlic test score, find out what the result was when he took it at the Senior Bowl. That score might be more important to you, since it was taken approximately a month before the Combine. The actual relevancy of the Wonderlic test score, in and of itself, is negligible. As Poo Flinging Monkey indicated, if a player has a very low score (single digits), it would be worth checking out. Otherwise, it’s not that big of a deal.

  31. The post about the time limit makes a critical point.
    Isn’t the test designed like this…a few basic questions and the one killer question, followed by more basic questions of varying complexity?
    That one question would – even if you could get it right – take most of the allotted time, so the smart move is to skip it.
    When a player doesn’t skip that question, I’d guess the score takes an enormous hit. So it’s an evaluation of time management, decision-making, cost-benefit analysis and general smarts.
    So, on some level it has directional use. But as an end-all be -all, of course it isn’t that.

  32. pkrlvr: so, you’re a racist atheist who likes football.
    I guess you were thrilled when Doug Williams won the Super Bowl when Joe Gibbs was the coach.

  33. overkil2 says:
    Ask Peyton Manning this year.
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    I did. He look at his hand and said… “Oh look. A Superbowl ring.”

  34. # pkrlvr says: March 10, 2010 1:24 PM
    Well duh! Tebow thinks we were all wished into existence by a cloud dwelling, white haired magician who runs the entire universe with his son and a holy ghost. A 22 is a coup for him.
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    What about religion is it that bothers you so much? the not killing or theiving part, or the part where you have to have some personal responsibility in how you live your life? how you could find this threatning is beyond me.
    a 22 is nothing to worry about, hell, i think fitzpatrick either aced (50/50) it or came incredibly close (48 or 49) and you don’t see him winning a ton of superbowls now do you?

  35. I have taken a form of the Wonderlic test and I got in the mid 40’s when I was hung over. Then again, I can’t bench 350 or throw the ball 80 yards down field. I still think that McNabb and (some) others didn’t take the test very seriously.
    I bet if the test had 1 Corinthians and the book of Matthew as answers Tebow would have came out a bit better.

  36. I think i’d take a middle of the road guy before a top scorer. Especially if he comes with equal parts; smarts, guts, skill and athleticism and at the QB position, leadership. Most good QB’s score in the 20’s.

  37. It’s GAME FILM, not wonderlics or 40 times or combine verticals, that determine the trueness of a players readiness for the NFL

  38. @DocBG
    “What about religion is it that bothers you so much? the not killing or theiving part, or the part where you have to have some personal responsibility in how you live your life? how you could find this threatning is beyond me.”
    If you need religion to tell you not kill or steal or to take personal responsibility in your life than you are a very sad individual.

  39. Mooch – please you’re embarrassing us.
    How many people do you know that intentionally tank important tests? You’re assertion about McNabb tanking the Wonderlic because he didn’t care is preposterous. How much money did it cost him not going #1 overall?
    It is more likely that the “good grades” you say McNabb received were probably not his doing.
    For those amongst us who feel the Wonderlic has no meaning or value, what do you do for a living???
    Ain’t it tragic how the masses are beginning to think – that if they cannot do something or achieve something, then it is not important.

  40. I think Roethlisberger needs to take Tebow out clubbin’ – one time.
    I’m sure he answered Jesus to all 50 questions.

  41. i agree with pfmonkey….high score means alot less than low score. low score is a signal that there may be a problem coming. high score means you scored high but wtf does that say about how you can play pro football?

  42. ever notice that when people tell you they took the wonderlic test they always say they got a 40 or higher?

  43. I wonder why everyone describes these scores as being heavily guarded, when it’s obvious they aren’t or never have been.

  44. ZombieRevolution: Would you really want an NFL player running a blog describing the world? Read their twitter accounts…most of them are blithering idiots. Most people who are remotely educated would destroy the wonderlic.

  45. This explains Jamarcus Russell wearing #2.
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    Actually, Jamarcus Russell scored a relatively respectable 24 on the Wonderlic…. more than Tebow and Clausen apparently….

  46. chad pennington….22
    eli manning…..39
    love both of these guys,but go figure.
    by the way,i believe pennington was a fulbright scholar.

  47. Homeschooling finally caught up to Tim. If they had some bible questions, I’m sure he would’ve kicked some holy @#%!

  48. “Clearly, McNabb did not take the test seriously. It was a joke to him.”
    Are you sure? This is a guy that didn’t know that games could end in a tie. AFTER PLAYING FOR NINE YEARS. And don’t forget the 4th timeout call.
    I remember when Florio insisted that Romo forgot the down in a game because he held up three fingers after a 4th down play, he said that franchise QBs never make that mistake. EVER. I still wonder what he thinks about McNabb’s mistakes (that were actual mistakes. Romo’s wasn’t a mistake as first thing he says in every huddle is the down and distance). Still wondering because Florio never said whether or not franchise QBs ever make the kinds of real mistakes McNabb has made.

  49. “Is it really fair to say that a score of 23 is “nearly in the teens?”
    McNabb nearly scored in the teens, too. He scored a 12 hawhawhaw
    Romo scored 30 in case anybody’s wondering. 20 is an average score. According to Dr. Z, 24 is average for an NFL QB.

  50. Tebow is nothing but a meat! At every turn the dude proves it. Hopefully he won’t get drafted by any team that I like.

  51. “You’re assertion about McNabb tanking the Wonderlic because he didn’t care is preposterous. How much money did it cost him not going #1 overall?”
    I said he didn’t take it seriously, not that he ‘tanked’ it. Many prospects, and probably many QB’s who stand a chance to go this high, have prep work for the test beforehand.
    I am looking at a smart guy from a good school…who scored less than Mike Vick. Are you telling me he gave his full effort here? Or do you think he’s just stupid?
    And he had NO SHOT at going #1 overall. Tim Couch was largely considered the best prospect by far, and was a shoe-in for the Browns at #1. And, as a football fan, you should know that.
    And the NY Giants employ a similar test for their picks. How many Lombardi’s do they have? Again, as I said before, ‘directionally’ it means something.
    “Ain’t it tragic how the masses are beginning to think – that if they cannot do something or achieve something, then it is not important.”
    Like, for example, deriding the academic achievements of a guy who very likely went to a far, far better school than you attended? Worse or better?

  52. Vox – I don’t have McNabb’s SAT score.
    All I have is this – he’s always been a smart guy in interviews, has seemed to invest his money well, seems to have built a nice family, and never gets into trouble.
    He also went to Syracuse as a communications major (which means the Newhouse School, one of the best programs in the nation).
    So, I’d say from an IQ standpoint he’s smart.
    Is McNabb ‘street smart’? I’d say no, as he’s constantly talking his way into one bad situation after another. He’s not comfortable in his own skin, as they’d say, and can get awkward and unsure of himself.
    But I don’t see a guy who would score so low unless somewhat unprepared for a test like this. And he’s been decidedly unserious at key moments (i.e. air guitar before Dallas game).
    And Marino scored 13 on purpose, for obvious reasons. THAT’S how smart he was!

  53. Dan Noringo – Fantastic! I’ll be stealing with pride.
    I took the Wonderlic too, and did so well that they wanted to rename the test after me, but I said no thanks, just give me an Ed Block award.

  54. “I think the wonderlic is dead on. How many Superbowl rings does Dan Marino have? Coincidence?”
    What was the Wonderlic score for the Dolphins running game when Marino was there? Hah, it’s a trick question – they didn’t have a running game back then. Laces out, Dan!

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