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Report: Seahawks want McNabb or Kolb, no one wants Vick

During a Tuesday appearance with Mike Missanelli of 97.5 The Fanatic in Philly, ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio dropped a couple of bombs regarding the current quarterback situation in Philly.

Paolantonio said that the Seattle Seahawks have been contacting the Eagles “non-stop” regarding quarterbacks Donovan McNabb and Kevin Kolb.  As we reported last week, the Eagles have been hearing from multiple teams regarding McNabb, but the Eagles have not yet entertained any offers.

But offers apparently will come; Paolantonio says that Seattle coach Pete Carroll wants to win right away, and in Carroll’s mind that includes getting McNabb or Kolb.  And Paolantonio says that he now firmly believes that McNabb will be traded by the Eagles at some point in the offseason.

Meanwhile, Paolantonio also said that the well has gone dry on Mike Vick, and that no one is interested in trading for him.  “St. Louis has dried up,” Paolantonio said.  “Buffalo, dried up.” 

It appears, then, that the Eagles are banking on something occurring later in the year to create a market for Vick.  Possibilities include a starting quarterback struggling in offseason drills, a torn ACL injury during red-jersey practices or the preseason, or the decision of a 40-year-old quarterback who runs a very similar offense not to return for another season come August.

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137 Responses to “Report: Seahawks want McNabb or Kolb, no one wants Vick”
  1. Krow says: Mar 10, 2010 9:14 AM

    Any team that wanted Vick could have had him for free last year.

  2. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:17 AM

    Why in the hell would the Seahawks trade their washed up bum of a QB for the Eagles washing up bum of a QB McNabb? Doesn’t make sense. Watch Kolb go to Seattle and beat McNabb in the divisional round of the playoffs, wouldnt that be sweat.

  3. Dice14 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:18 AM

    Vick to Pittsburgh. You heard it here first.

  4. Duck Fallas says: Mar 10, 2010 9:19 AM

    I’ll be extremely pissed if we send Kolb and keep McNabb and Vick.

  5. TylerDurden says: Mar 10, 2010 9:23 AM

    Dice14 may be on to something….

  6. Mooch says: Mar 10, 2010 9:25 AM

    Was Pete good with personnel in NY and NE? I recall dismal teams, but not sure if it was due to bad drafts / signings.
    But I could see where his ego dictates he put together an ‘over the hill lite’ gang of guys with 1-2 years left.
    Take the deal. Vick proves you cannot create a market for QB’s all by yourself, but you can certainly flood it.

  7. Iggles103 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:25 AM

    Pete Carroll can wish in one hand and crap in the other then see which one fills up first.
    No way Andy trades 5 but give em Kolb for a 2 & 3

  8. psj3809 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:25 AM

    Chapnasty2 – If ‘washed’ up means 22 td’s and 10 ints a year (As McNabb had last year) then i would love to have a washed up QB like McNabb. Had 23 td’s and 11 ints the year before and hes ‘washed up’ ??
    Dont know why people are so anti McNabb, hasnt had many ‘big name’ WR’s during his time bar TO, never has had a 1200 yard type workhorse RB consistently.

  9. Buschman says: Mar 10, 2010 9:27 AM

    ” Possibilities include a starting quarterback struggling in offseason drills, a torn ACL injury during red-jersey practices or the preseason, or the decision of a 40-year-old quarterback who runs a very similar offense not to return for another season come August.”
    …Or a QB getting arrested for rape

  10. Rickah99 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:27 AM

    Chapstick,
    Spoken like a well informed Cowboys fan!
    Steers & Queers!

  11. WarrenMoonGOAT says: Mar 10, 2010 9:28 AM

    and here comes McNabbs biggest fans…
    time for chunky campbell soup jokes
    and
    throwing up under pressure jokes

  12. mmdd1111 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:28 AM

    Chapnasy2, you are an IDIOT. What the heck has Kolb shown. He sure can throw an interception, cant’ he? He has not played enough to show whether he is any good or not. He has done NOTHING YOU MORON. Get a freaking clue you dope. Nuf said. Take you McNabb hating nasty self somewhere and buy a clue.

  13. tanks154 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:30 AM

    We need to generate new interest!
    Solution: Put the Black guy in a skull cap on the cover!!!

  14. rotaryfiend says: Mar 10, 2010 9:30 AM

    # Chapnasty2 says: March 10, 2010 9:17 AM
    Why in the hell would the Seahawks trade their washed up bum of a QB for the Eagles washing up bum of a QB McNabb? Doesn’t make sense. Watch Kolb go to Seattle and beat McNabb in the divisional round of the playoffs, wouldnt that be sweat.
    chapnasty is an idiot.
    sweet not sweat
    eagles would not trade for a QB – duh. Our surplus in this department is what is giving us some interesting offseason options. Maybe that is why it makes no sense to you.
    Kolb ain’t going anywhere….mark that one down. If ANYONE goes it is vick and/or mcnabb.

  15. TP7 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:30 AM

    Chapnasty2 says:
    March 10, 2010 9:17 AM
    Why in the hell would the Seahawks trade their washed up bum of a QB for the Eagles washing up bum of a QB McNabb? Doesn’t make sense. Watch Kolb go to Seattle and beat McNabb in the divisional round of the playoffs, wouldnt that be sweat.
    …..no, that wouldn’t be ‘sweat’ or SWEET.

  16. Manbearpig says: Mar 10, 2010 9:32 AM

    or the decision of a 40-year-old quarterback who runs a very similar offense not to return for another season come August.
    Yeah right Florio. I don’t blame you for hoping that will happen as it would lead to countless posts from you and subsequently countless comments and pageviews, but it’s not happening. Even if by some chance Favre didn’t come back – highly unlikely as all signs point toward a comeback – there’s no way they’d bring in Vick.

  17. Mooch says: Mar 10, 2010 9:32 AM

    On what basis wold Kolb get you a 2+3?!?!?
    His original draft position was 2nd. Then Andy showed he has zero confidence in / regard for his skills. Then he’s up for contract, too. And he has only played 2 games.
    The Birds have mismanaged the asset, you’d be lucky to get a 4th (likely not deliverable until 2011) rounder that could become a 3rd. And probably not even that.
    Have you learned noting from the Vick debacle?

  18. TP7 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:32 AM

    Dice14 says:
    March 10, 2010 9:18 AM
    Vick to Pittsburgh. You heard it here first.
    ….yeah, because they need another quarterback who makes awful decisions in his personal life. The Rooney’s aren’t having that.

  19. myasylum says: Mar 10, 2010 9:33 AM

    What a screwy situation. I mean they have 3 good quarterbacks, which is a good thing… but all 3 aren’t quite good enough.
    I know people say “get over” the Vick thing… but I can’t. The dude is, what he is. A ex-con dog killer. That’s is just how it is, it’s a fact! Their is no way to sugar coat that. He shouldn’t have been allowed in back in the NFL in the first place. Maybe consider this quarterback situation in Philly as a curse,or just plain bad karma.

  20. borg says: Mar 10, 2010 9:33 AM

    Flash…Big Ben was just spotting humping a lady’s leg at Starbucks

  21. daivos03 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:33 AM

    Good call on Vick to Pittsburgh.
    Just so you know, I’m going to steal that thought and share it among my friends as my own idea.

  22. Kevin from Philly says: Mar 10, 2010 9:34 AM

    Well, Seattle does have two #1′s. I’m not anxious to trade McNabb, but the Eagles would be foolish not to take the fourteenth (let alone the sixth) pick in the draft for a QB who probably won’t be around in a few years anyway.
    P.S. Chap,
    I know calling people out for poor English on this site is pointless, but how in the world did you misspell “sweet” as “sweat”? I mean, you had the “e” under your finger already, so you actually had to make an effort to screw that one up. I know you’re a Cowboys fan, but even someone educated in Texas should get that sort of thing right.

  23. Pac Eddy says: Mar 10, 2010 9:35 AM

    I can guarantee the Vikings are not interested in Vick, even if Lord Farve doesn’t come back. That moron wasn’t accurate BEFORE getting jail time. He’s not going to be better after. Chilly would roll with T-Jack or Sage or Adam Sandler before Vick.
    I am not surprised that there’s no market for Vick. The Iggles will be lucky to get a 6th rounder for him.

  24. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:36 AM

    @ psj3
    By washed up I mean 11 years of constant let down. You can have all the great stats in the world but if in that last game you cant perform, you are useless. People are anti-McNabb for that very reason, plus he just seems like an arrogant terd when combined with his fat arrogant terd of a head coach it is too much to handle. I also find it odd that you say just TO. Seeing as how TO was in his prime and got McNabb to a Superbowl but yet McNabb got tired because of how out of shape he is/was. Had McNabb made the relationship work he would likely have 2 or 3 rings right now.
    And neither Brady nor Manning have ever had a high profile WR like TO either. They actually helped develop the guys around them into top WR’s, which can be proven by the fact that none of them have done anything after they have left.

  25. Reginald says: Mar 10, 2010 9:36 AM

    People are anti McNabb because he sucks in the big games. This isn’t breaking news or anything. Come on.

  26. jimicos says: Mar 10, 2010 9:37 AM

    Can’t wait to see BlueEyedDevil’s take on this. You know, considering Vick’s the best player in the league.

  27. Mooch says: Mar 10, 2010 9:38 AM

    PSJ – what?
    Westbrook had over 1200 yards rushing in 2006 and 2007.
    He also had over 1200 combined in 2004, 2005, and 2008.
    In fact, 2002-03 and last year were the only years he didn’t.
    I can argue that Westbrook was a bigger factor in the Eagles playoff runs that McNabb, since his top yeas all coincided with deep runs. Without him, McNabb was feeble and lost the opening round game to Dallas.
    If you are an Eagle fan, as opposed to a McNabb apologist, you should know these stats.

  28. Obeah says: Mar 10, 2010 9:39 AM

    Please trade McNabb and Kolb. Make Mike Vick the starting quarterback.
    Dallas Cowboys fans would love it

  29. John Spagnola says: Mar 10, 2010 9:42 AM

    The next time Sal Pal is right about something will be the first.

  30. danfinocchio says: Mar 10, 2010 9:43 AM

    Vick to Pitt makes football sense but that doesn’t exactly help image-wise.

  31. stevemcguigan says: Mar 10, 2010 9:43 AM

    psj3809:
    Chapnasty is a cockroach Dallas Cowboys fan. Things like “facts”, “stats”, and “reality” don’t matter much to them because as far as they’re concerned, 1994 was just a couple weeks ago.

  32. KingJoe! says: Mar 10, 2010 9:43 AM

    The plan is to trade McNabb and let Vick and Kolb fight it out. This way if Kolb’s success is a mirage they have a legit #1 to keep the team in the playoffs

  33. First and Ben says: Mar 10, 2010 9:44 AM

    I’ve been a devoted McNabb supporter for years, but its time to give the kid the reigns. Let kolb develop with the new young class. I’ll still support him, especially of they pull in Marshall from Denver. If that happens, expect to see McNabb from ’04. McNabb/Marshall would rival McNabb /TO.

  34. Mooch says: Mar 10, 2010 9:44 AM

    PSJ – If you point is that Reid needs to have a more balanced offense, I totally agree. But you cannot say he hasn’t had any talent / production at the RB position.

  35. Eaglesman says: Mar 10, 2010 9:45 AM

    Duck Fallas, I’m with you on this one…if Kolb is traded I will be pissed…I am still torn on McNabb being traded to be honest…He is a top QB, but on the other hand I think Kolb has what it takes to go the distance and win a championship…maybe Vick not being dealt is another indication of a possible trade coming of either Kolb or McNabb…after all if you trade one of them you’ll need a good back up!

  36. Mandingo52 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:45 AM

    Iggles103 says:
    March 10, 2010 9:25 AM
    Pete Carroll can wish in one hand and crap in the other then see which one fills up first.
    No way Andy trades 5 but give em Kolb for a 2 & 3
    —————————
    I don’t think Phili would have ANY problem getting a 2nd and a 3rd for Kolb….I know Cleveland wouldn’t mind…

  37. slipkid says: Mar 10, 2010 9:46 AM

    last time i looked, mcnabb is 101-55-1 as a starter.
    is he nearing the end? yes. but the end isnt there yet.
    vick is like 40-35-1, and he is 9-15 in his last 24 starts. already on the downhill slide.
    otoh, to reply to some idiot who said mcnabb and vick have done better than montana and young…
    montana was 143-57-1. 40 more wins, similar # of losses to mcnabb. and mcnabb also has a good defense.
    young was 85-35 and the team fell apart after lawrence phillips let him get massacred. vick made the falcons fall apart. again, 40+ more wins and the same # of losses…

  38. djstat says: Mar 10, 2010 9:48 AM

    Hey Eagle fans, you have never had it so good with McNabb. Kolb has done NOTHING. Perhaps if you losers would stop being so proud of booing Sanata Claus and learn about the game of football you would have some respect for a QB who has helped take you to five NFC Championship games.

  39. doublec says: Mar 10, 2010 9:48 AM

    You can’t listen to anything Sal Paolantonio says, he’s been a McNabb hater from the beginning.
    He’s called “The end of the McNabb era ” like 5 times in the last 6 years and he’s been wrong, he has no inside information!!
    So if “SalPal” (I hate that) says that Mcnabb will be traded during this offseason, that can only mean one thing…Mcnabb will be the starter on opening day.

  40. HarrisonHits says: Mar 10, 2010 9:49 AM

    “Was Pete good with personnel in NY and NE? I recall dismal teams, but not sure if it was due to bad drafts / signings”
    His drafts in New England were downright awful. Though part of it was the vp of player personnel at the time whose name I can’t remember. Virtually none of Carrol’s picks lasted beyond his time in NE though. They were almost universally black holes of suck.

  41. Mooch says: Mar 10, 2010 9:50 AM

    “I don’t think Phili would have ANY problem getting a 2nd and a 3rd for Kolb….I know Cleveland wouldn’t mind…”
    Really? From your mouth to god’s ear. Maybe we can get three #1′s?
    Cite an example of a guy who never played appreciating in value relative to where he was drafted.
    Time’s yours.
    By trading him and not playing him, the Eagles have told the league they don’t think he can play.
    Did Dave Spadaro tell you he was worth a 2+3? Because that is the most ridiculous thing I have heard since I was told Gizmo Williams would revolutionize the game.

  42. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:51 AM

    @ steve
    The facts and reality is that McNabb hasnt gotten you guys a Superbowl ever. Neither has Reid. I really don’t need stats to logically conclude he is a let down.

  43. tombrookshire says: Mar 10, 2010 9:54 AM

    Typical Eagles tactics – overvalue players, misjudge the market, greed. Expect Vick to be unhappily backing up Kolb.

  44. BleedGreenMtState says: Mar 10, 2010 9:57 AM

    McNabb to the Seahawks for their 2nd 1st rd pick which is #14. Seattle can do this since they have the 6th pick as well. Send them Kevin Curtis as well if need be for another 4th or 5th rd pick, which would certainly help Carroll “win now”. The Eagels are fine with Maclin, Jackson and Avant with Celek at TE.
    They could then draft a stud on D and be right back in the conversation for NFC East champs.

  45. BleedGreen says: Mar 10, 2010 9:59 AM

    psj3809 says:
    March 10, 2010 9:25 AM
    Chapnasty2 – If ‘washed’ up means 22 td’s and 10 ints a year (As McNabb had last year) then i would love to have a washed up QB like McNabb. Had 23 td’s and 11 ints the year before and hes ‘washed up’ ??
    Dont know why people are so anti McNabb, hasnt had many ‘big name’ WR’s during his time bar TO, never has had a 1200 yard type workhorse RB consistently.
    ——————————————–
    He lacks the killer instinct. When he’s happy and in a good mood, he plays AWESOME. As soon as the going gets tough, he goes down hill and FAST. If the Birds are down by more than 7 or 10pts, his accuracy goes to shit, starts throwing into the dirt, starts holding the ball too long and starts to get happy feet.
    I wonder if someone has run stats of McNabbs in games where they’re down by less than 7 pts or winning vs when they’re down by 7pts+ to compare.

  46. Bill In DC says: Mar 10, 2010 10:01 AM

    The way McNabb played in the last two games against Dallas, why on earth would any Dallas fan want him to be traded. I hope the guy starts in Philly for the next 10 years.

  47. Silver Back says: Mar 10, 2010 10:01 AM

    PHILADELPHIA IS PLAYING THIS PERFECTLY. IM NOT AN EAGLES FAN BUT THEY ARE GOING TO GET THE MAXIMUM RETURN ON WHOEVER THEY TRADE. I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE 2 TRADES AND THEY WILL SIGN A VETERAN BACKUP TO KOLB. IT MAY NOT BE THIS MONTH BUT IT WILL HAPPEN. TEAMS LIKE THE SEAHAWKS AND RAMS WILL CONVINCE THEMSELVES THAT THEY ARE A QB AWAY FROM A PLAYOFF RUN AND GIVE PHILLY WHAT ITS ASKING.

  48. Rickah99 says: Mar 10, 2010 10:02 AM

    @Chapstick, and Vick Veritas when he gets off his midnight job,
    “By washed up I mean 11 years of constant let down. You can have all the great stats in the world but if in that last game you cant perform, you are useless.”
    Just like Rom-O-Choke!
    “People are anti-McNabb for that very reason, plus he just seems like an arrogant terd when combined with his fat arrogant terd of a head coach it is too much to handle.”
    Just like Rom-O-Choke, and Doughboy Phillips!
    “I also find it odd that you say just TO. Seeing as how TO was in his prime and got McNabb to a Superbowl but yet McNabb got tired because of how out of shape he is/was.”
    McNabb got to 1SB in 1yr with TO, Rom-O-Choke got to ZERO SB’s in 3yrs with TO…PLUS McNabb/TO averaged better stats in that 1yr(14 games played by TO) than Rom-O-Choke/TO, what does that say?
    “And neither Brady nor Manning have ever had a high profile WR like TO either.”
    Okay I’m sure Randy Moss is not ‘high profile’. Ditto: Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne.
    “They actually helped develop the guys around them into top WR’s, which can be proven by the fact that none of them have done anything after they have left.”
    The same can be said about every WR that left Philly. They were mediocre, peaked while playing with McNabb, then went to do nothing to match they’re collective playing days in Philly…next up: Reggie Brown!
    Keep up the good work Chapstick, you do Dallas nation proud!

  49. Tazzard says: Mar 10, 2010 10:02 AM

    Almost every family in Minnesota has a hunting dog; Vick would not be welcomed here!

  50. wydok says: Mar 10, 2010 10:02 AM

    Sal Pal hates McNabb. Always has.

  51. munchkin says: Mar 10, 2010 10:02 AM

    Nobody likes to listen to himself more than Sal; ‘cept maybe Rush.

  52. sec35 says: Mar 10, 2010 10:03 AM

    If I was the Vikings, I would make a run at McNabb… if not, why not try Vick.
    McNabb, Peterson and LT.. that sounds like a superbowl ring…

  53. JP says: Mar 10, 2010 10:08 AM

    Vick to Pitt makes no sense. Because presuming Roeth avoids a suspension, Pitt has no need of Vick. If indeed Roeth does get a significant suspension (which realistically, only happens if he’s charged with a felony-level sexual offense), then the last thing Pitt is going to do is bring in a convicted felon in place of their (merely “charged”) felon.
    ESPECIALLY not an organization like Pittsburgh. The Rooneys don’t swing that way. If we were chatting about Cincinnati or Baltimore or something, it might be a different story.

  54. Florio-is-a-tool says: Mar 10, 2010 10:13 AM

    I kind of enjoy loudmouth and stupid Cowboys fans match wits with loudmouth and stupid Eagles fans. Please you guys – don’t you go changing on us.

  55. wydok says: Mar 10, 2010 10:14 AM

    I agree that PBurg is going to want a QB. But I’m not sure about Vick, considering they probably want to AVOID “character issues”.

  56. BroncoBourque says: Mar 10, 2010 10:20 AM

    @Chapnasty2
    “And neither Brady nor Manning have ever had a high profile WR like TO either. They actually helped develop the guys around them into top WR’s, which can be proven by the fact that none of them have done anything after they have left.”
    Are you kidding?
    Manning was fortunate enough that his team draft Harrison arround the same time as him and they grew up in the league together. Then the Colts used another first round pick on Reggie Wayne giving Manning the best duo of WRs in the league.
    Brady had average to bellow average WRs earlier in his career but they fit in the system and back then the Patriots were content being a defensive team with a safe offense. Then they went out a got Welker from Miami and Moss from Oakland. Neither of these guys was developed in NE, and both are great WRs, especially in that system.
    Other than the year with Owens, McNabb has had mostly scrubs as his WRs; Freddie Mitchell, Reggie Brown, the list goes on and he has taken the Eagles to 5 NFC Championships and a Super Bowl. How many QBs in the league have had more success than that since 2000? Maybe 2 or 3, yet to you and a bunch of other half-wits the guy is seen as a failure.

  57. sdffa11 says: Mar 10, 2010 10:21 AM

    to all your mcnabb defenders that say kold has done nothing, neither has mcnabb. those wins in the regular season mean nothing to eagle fans. all we remember is mcnabb imploding every year in the playoffs and still no super bowl ring. IT’S EITHER A RING OR NO RING, SIMPLE AS THAT.
    kolb/vick are going to be held to the same standard if/when they take over as starting QB. eagle fans are sick of having potential and being competitive. its either win or get the F outta town. mcnabb has had 11 years to win (which is 40% of the time i’ve been alive on this earth)…thats long enough.

  58. Krow says: Mar 10, 2010 10:21 AM

    McNabb to the Seahawks for their entire draft… this year and next. Plus any 3 players off the Seattle roster… Eagles get to pick.

  59. Dice14 says: Mar 10, 2010 10:22 AM

    We need to give McNabb one more year. Its not fair to expect a Superbowl victory from a team working with three new pieces on their offensive line, a new tight end, a new rookie receiver, and an entirely different backfield. Our offensive line never meshed while battling injuries and off the field issues. I believe that this is the Eagles year. They’ve had a year to mesh and McNabb now knows his personnel. To blame last year on McNabb is both unfair and illogical. Notwithstanding, McNabb won’t have many excuses after this upcoming season.
    I believe that Kolb and Vick are the only two quarterbacks who are legitimately on the trading block. Vick to Pittsburgh makes sense bc I believe Tomlin would welcome a short term replacement for Big Ben – another story in itself. This would give him time to pick his next QB and develop him. Kolb’s trade value right now is through the roof. He’s definitely out-kicking his coverage right now, in my opinion. In the very limited game action he has seen, he never truly looked comfortable in the pocket nor have I ever gotten the impression that he is a leader. Yes, he put up good numbers against the CHIEFS. If you’re willing to bet the future of your franchise on one game versus the Chiefs at home, then well, that’s why you’re not a GM.
    McNabb deserves another year. Kolb needs another year. Vick to Pittsburgh for a third rounder. Rooney wants to win. Tomlin would embrace him.

  60. reddog9 says: Mar 10, 2010 10:26 AM

    I hope the Iggles trade McNabb or Kolb and then when the remaining starter gets hurt, they are forced to play Vick who will be absolutely awful! He can’t pass the ball and now he is old and likely out of HGH, so that speed is gone!

  61. wdb_washington_eagle says: Mar 10, 2010 10:31 AM

    My theory…
    Philly will let McNabb play the 2010 season to let Kolb develop more chemistry with the new WR’s (Maclin & Jackson). Then they’ll trade McNabb and Vick will probably end up being the back up or maybe the starter if Kolb turns out to be a bust.
    Kolb has shown he’s good enough to play & run the offense (New Orleans & Kansas City games last season) but he doesn’t give Philly that playmaking ability that McNabb gave them (scrambling and keeping the play alive…see game one against Carolina last season).
    Plus add on the fact that Philly doesn’t keep players after a certain age (Dawkins & Westbrook…given Westbrook also has had injury problems…but then again so has McNabb).
    Just as long as they have a QB who’s able to put the ball deep enough down field for Jackson. And it would have been great had they got Boldin to keep the defense playing it safe. Boldin short, Jackson deep, plus Maclin…

  62. PhillyHouse says: Mar 10, 2010 10:34 AM

    Chapnasty: You are supposed to hate the Eagles. You’re a cowboys fan. I have no problem with that.
    But if you want people to take you seriously, use some actual logic.
    To say Reid and McNabb are the SOLE and ONLY reasons why the Eagles don’t have a Super Bowl, is like saying Switzer and Aikman are the SOLE and ONLY reasons why the cowboys won their last Super Bowl.
    There are many factors to each equation. Aikman was a great QB, but he had help. Switzer was a great college coach, but he wasn’t a great NFL coach. He inherited a great team.
    We can argue about McNabb all day, but you can’t tell me that he’s had a superior supporting cast in any of the 11 years he’s been the QB.
    If you want to hate the Eagles…go ahead. It seems like you hate logic, too…

  63. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 10, 2010 10:36 AM

    “Chapnasty2 – If ‘washed’ up means 22 td’s and 10 ints a year (As McNabb had last year) then i would love to have a washed up QB like McNabb. Had 23 td’s and 11 ints the year before and hes ‘washed up’ ??”
    Don’t confuse high-percentage and red zone passing with good quarterbacking.

  64. Bill In DC says: Mar 10, 2010 10:36 AM

    @ BleedGreenMtState
    ROFL if you think anyone is going to give the Eagles the 14th pick in the first round for McNabb. The 0-3gles will be lucky to get a third rd pick for him. Everybody and their brother knows the 0-3gles want to deal McNabb. That alone reduces anything they will get for him.
    Please send some of what you’re smoking because that’s some really good stuff.
    Not sure you know this, but Mike Lynn is NOT in Seattle.

  65. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 10, 2010 10:44 AM

    @ rickah
    Romo hasnt really choked other than the bobbled snap. But that was his first season as a starter, actually he didnt even start the whole season. Compare Manning and other top QB’s and their careers, it usually takes a while to get going. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt… if Romo is this choke artist he has only “let us down” 4-5 times nearly half as many times as McNabb.
    Next, are you implying that Harrison and Wayne would have been good anywhere else? Obviously there is no way to prove it but to deny Manning’s role is ignroant based off of the success of Garcon and Austin Collie. And no Philly WR with the exception of TO has ever been elite. Maybe good but not elite. TO came there in his prime and then joined Dallas where a young QB took a team to a 13-3 season. And as far as Moss, how many rings has Brady gotten with Moss?
    I also find it odd that you rag on Vox but thenn use his format of debate to deabte him and myself. Keep making all of us correct in the stereotype that all Egales fans are retarded. You make us proud!
    @ bronco
    Read the above in reference to Manning and Brady. I think the facts speak for themselves. Us “half wits” who think McNabb is a failure expect championships, not let downs. Sorry you standards are so low.

  66. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 10, 2010 10:46 AM

    “What the heck has Kolb shown.”
    I’ll tell you what he HASN’T shown. He HASN’T shown that he won’t be the guy to bring the 0-3gles their first Super Bowl championship. Why spend a 36th overall pick on a guy if you’re going to be afraid to play him? If he sucks and you don’t think he can be the guy, admit he was yet another busted high draft pick, get rid of him and get someone else. Why spend one more season propping McNabb up?

  67. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 10, 2010 10:49 AM

    @ philly
    I can give you that argument, but at what point do you blame it on the coach and qb? Westbrook is arguable one of the better all around RB’s in the last 10-20 years, maybe ever. Keep in mind I said ONE of the best. They have cycled through tons of WR’s, lineman, defenses, you name it. The only thing that hasnt changed is McNabb and Reid. Sooner or later you would have to think they have something to do with it.

  68. diehard82 says: Mar 10, 2010 10:55 AM

    Seattle isn’t trading a 1st round pick for Marshall, McNabb or Kolb. The market has changed. A few teams (Bears, Lions) just haven’t figured it out yet. Boldin was only worth a 3rd. If Carroll trades even a 2nd round pick for McNabb and sends Hasselbeck packing, he will be on thin ice with Hawks fans. Derek Anderson is visiting tomorrow and he doesn’t cost any draft picks. Look for Seattle to pull a trade on draft day for Bradford or Clausen, then trade Hasselbeck to Cleveland and dash Seneca Wallace’s hopes for being the starter.

  69. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 10, 2010 10:55 AM

    “ast time i looked, mcnabb is 101-55-1 as a starter.
    is he nearing the end? yes. but the end isnt there yet.”
    Right. The end as far as the 0-3gles are concerned comes in a little over 9 months. Maybe sooner, depending on how McNabb reacts to the prospect of playing in 2010 with no contract extension.

  70. birdmancometh says: Mar 10, 2010 10:55 AM

    @ munchkin -
    Great move. I love the inclusion of Rush on this post. I hope it catches on. High entertainment.

  71. Datruth2100 says: Mar 10, 2010 10:56 AM

    Why is it nobody ever blames the eagles defense for those championship games losses? I mean in every one of them they played horrible. Anyone remember Joe jurevious the slowest person in the stadium out running the whole defense? Or how about Deshawn I forget his last name from Carolina carrying 4 defenders into the endzone from the 10yd line or mcnabb bringing the eagles all the way back in Arizona only to have the defense let Arizona drive the length of the field but yea it’s all mcnabbs fault

  72. BlueEyeDevils says: Mar 10, 2010 10:58 AM

    jimicos says:
    March 10, 2010 9:37 AM
    Can’t wait to see BlueEyedDevil’s take on this. You know, considering Vick’s the best player in the league.
    ————————————–
    Let’s see…………. last season when Vick signed with the Eagles, ESPN and other so called experts were scratching their heads saying…….
    “We didn’t see that one coming” :)
    So it doesn’t surprise me that they are clueless once again…………… ha ha ha
    Mr. NFL gets what he wants………..
    Ha Ha Ha

  73. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 10, 2010 10:58 AM

    “Romo hasnt really choked other than the bobbled snap.”
    When the 0-3gle fans resort to comparing a #2 overall draft pick to an undrafted guy, they’ve already lost the argument and should be declared retarded for life.
    20-16
    24-0
    34-14

  74. jlbay says: Mar 10, 2010 10:59 AM

    Mooch
    “Cite an example of a guy who never played appreciating in value relative to where he was drafted.”
    A guy named Brett Favre comes to mind. He was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in the 2nd round (33rd pick overall) of the 1991 round, he spent 1 year with Atlanta threw exactly 4 passes, the first was a pick 6, another was intercepted and the other 2 were incomplete. The next year Ron Wolf traded the Packers 1st round pick (19th overall) for this young unestablished kid, who in his first appearance for Green Bay (inserted at half-time) threw his first pass, deflected by a D-lineman, for a completion to himself for a 7 yard loss. In the second half Green Bay went on to put up a total of 3 pts.
    Now I am not saying that Kolb is going to be the Favre of this generation . . . but hey they both spell their last names in a funny way.

  75. east96street says: Mar 10, 2010 10:59 AM

    “Dont know why people are so anti McNabb”
    He is the Patrick Ewing of professional football. Gets you close, but never seals the deal. And it’s always the fault of the guys around him, no matter who they sign and/or draft. Watched that show at MSG for years. Unfortunately, the Knicks were too stupid to deal Ewing while they could actually get something for him. Any of this sounding familiar to you?

  76. BlueEyeDevils says: Mar 10, 2010 11:00 AM

    slipkid says:
    March 10, 2010 9:46 AM
    last time i looked, mcnabb is 101-55-1 as a starter.
    is he nearing the end? yes. but the end isnt there yet.
    vick is like 40-35-1, and he is 9-15 in his last 24 starts. already on the downhill slide.
    —————————————-
    Vick’s career record is 38-28-1………….
    You just lost all credibility that your dumb azz may have had……………. ha ha ha
    Just like Dick Cheney you are trying to rewrite history……………. ha ha ha

  77. birdmancometh says: Mar 10, 2010 11:02 AM

    @ Chapnasty2
    They could also have something to do with the consistant winning. No Super Bowl…i know…but you can’t deny they have had success in this league. You need 2 or 3 breaks in the playoffs to win a super bowl no matter how good a team you have.
    Do you think the Saints were actually the best team in football? The Vikings played horrible and they took advantage. Thats the way it goes.

  78. cswitzer21 says: Mar 10, 2010 11:03 AM

    eagles wont give kolb up for a 2nd or 3rd. seahawks need to either trade hasselbeck and a 2nd round pick for kolb or the 14th pick of the draft. i’d prefer the hasselbeck and 2nd round pick. draft cj spiller with their 1st pick and then draft dez bryant with their next pick. they dont need to trade for brandon marshall when they could still pick a free agent at wr like holt or owens to help mentor dez bryant. owens would be the best to mentor him. plus they do have tj and branch. their offense will be rolling. then next couple years they can focus on defense in the draft and sign good offense free agents at wr and oline.

  79. BlueEyeDevils says: Mar 10, 2010 11:08 AM

    Matt “Great White Hope” Ryan is really making Atlanta fans forget about Mr. NFL with all those playoff wins/pro bowls/dome sellouts/jersey sales…………
    HA HA HA

  80. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 10, 2010 11:19 AM

    @ birdman
    I am a firm believer that the best team is the one who wins. It is an interesting concept but based off the playoff system it is fact. Afterall if the loser was conisdered better than the winner then they wouldnt need to play the game.
    @ kevin
    just saw your reference to my typo… I noticed it immediately after I hit submit and sent a second post after pointing it out. I am sorry, it is hard to be perfect all the time.

  81. toe-to-toe bird law says: Mar 10, 2010 11:21 AM

    Chapnasty2 says:
    March 10, 2010 9:36 AM
    And neither Brady nor Manning have ever had a high profile WR like TO either. They actually helped develop the guys around them into top WR’s, which can be proven by the fact that none of them have done anything after they have left.
    ————————————————
    Were you born retarded, or did you do things to yourself to become who you are? Manning never had high profile WR’s? That’s funny, I seem to remember both Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne being drafted in the first round. And I guess Tom Brady only had washouts to throw to in 2007, when he broke the record for most TD passes thrown in a season.
    And oh yeah, new rule: Nobody is to read your worthless posts until you learn how to spell, you mongoloid hillbilly. You somehow consistently misspell words that 3rd graders use in their vernacular, such as “sweet” and “turd.” You can’t chalk those up to being typos either, you’re just a goddamn idiot. You are an indictment on the Texas education system. Hmmm, Texas education system. That sounds like an oxymoron.

  82. steeelfann says: Mar 10, 2010 11:30 AM

    Whomever it was that said “Vick to Pittsburgh, you heard it here first” is so out to lunch. Let us think for one moment.
    Your big time QB is in legal difficulties again. Your kicker is performing community service. Your OLB was knocking around his woman supposedly. So, to re-polish your former image of having mostly good characters in your organization, you bring in a QB who has been in prison, who supposedly had reefer concealed in his water bottle, and who gave the finger to Atlanta fans. Yea, he is going to Pittsburgh, good thinking. Not. That would be Bizarro World.

  83. Mattchew182 says: Mar 10, 2010 11:32 AM

    Nobody wants Vick for the 5 million salary that the Eagles are paying him. They should have just dumped him cause now they paid him a 1.5 million bonus and they might just get a 6th or 7th round pick for him. Carolina will only pick him up if he gets cut.

  84. eaglesnest812 says: Mar 10, 2010 11:33 AM

    Vick to Pitt.Interesting.Remember steelers made good use of Kordell Stewert.First team to go with an offense like that. They could use Vick if big Ben is roomies with Big Bubba and finding out what it’s like to be a receiver.
    By the way trade Mcnabb to the hawks.Let Kolb and young receivers grow together and we will be much better off in a couple years and not see much of a slide this year.

  85. SterilizeTHenry says: Mar 10, 2010 11:37 AM

    The Eagles would need a return on their investment if they were to trade Kolb. They invested a Round 2 pick into drafting him a few years ago. That means they would want a Round 1 pick in return for him. And I don’t think anybody is trading a Round 1 pick for a guy who has only appeared in a couple of games.
    Just look at Matt Cassel. He played an entire year for NE, had a pretty good year, and he got traded for an early 2nd round pick. So Kolb just cannot generate the type of trade value the Eagles would expect to get in return for him.
    McNabb, on the other hand, is tradeable. The Eagles already got a return on their investment in him (almost 10 years, 1 SB game, 5 NFC Championship games). I’m not sure what kind of value he would get at this point in his career though….maybe early 2nd round pick?
    Vick = garbage. Maybe a 5th or 6th round pick.

  86. Rickah99 says: Mar 10, 2010 11:39 AM

    For Chapstick:
    Vick Veritas, while being blinded by Dallas love, manages to incorporate a few intelligent facts. YOU, my steer loving friend, are a complete moron!
    I’ve already used the TO argument that proves he put up better stats AND got to a Super Bowl with McNabb…no such luck with Rom-O-Choke.
    Now you can counter with the “McNabb was a #2 draft pick and Rom-O-Choke was undrafted” argument…oooookay:
    McNabb is the NFL ALL TIME LEADER in TD/INT ratio! I repeat ALL TIME. McNabb has been to 5 NFC Championship games & 1 Superbowl, Rom-O-Choke(like an undrafted QB) has not even gotten close to that.
    Then you say:
    “I also find it odd that you rag on Vox but thenn use his format of debate to deabte him and myself. Keep making all of us correct in the stereotype that all Egales fans are retarded. You make us proud!”
    Uhmm, yeah I copy & paste…hate to break this to ya but millions of people do that while posting threads on message boards.
    Chapstick2, please go away, you are really making Steer & Queer Dallas fans look very bad!
    Don’t worry, eventually in 2-3 years Dallas will cycle through all the Parcell permium picks. Then you’ll have the luxury of Facelift Jones leading your draft war room. Best of luck!

  87. toe-to-toe bird law says: Mar 10, 2010 11:40 AM

    .VoxVeritas says:
    March 10, 2010 10:58 AM
    When the 0-3gle fans resort to comparing a #2 overall draft pick to an undrafted guy, they’ve already lost the argument and should be declared retarded for life.
    ———————————————–
    Tom Brady was a 6th round pick and Peyton Manning was the #1 overall. People make more direct comparisons between them than any other QB’s in the league. Is that so ridiculous?
    McNabb and Romo, no matter where they came from, get paid similar salaries to do similar jobs. You get paid $5.00 an hour to wash dishes just like the rest of your coworkers. If you got paid 68 cents an hour, you would expect those other mustachioed gentlemen, who are no taller than 5’1, to be that much more productive than you. Silly, Julio.

  88. birdmancometh says: Mar 10, 2010 11:41 AM

    The winner was better on that day. It’s a difference of opinion that won’t be settled, but if it was possible for football to have playoff series’ rather than just one game you could determine who the better team is more of the time.
    It’s the same reason why baseball rarely has a surprise champ. They play 162 games to weed out the pretenders. In a one and done situation anybody can win on a given day. Of course thats also why most baseball fans start ignoring baseball by August and football has become the more popular sport…your team always has a chance.
    How about that Rush Limbaugh? Man he sure says some crazy stuff huh? What do you all think about that?

  89. Prthegreat says: Mar 10, 2010 11:50 AM

    If Mcnabb stinks so bad and Kolb is so good why not trade Mcnabb 2 yrs ago or last year???
    I love how people on this board dismiss stats then throw stats into there post’s….
    To say B-West was a great all around back is correct, yes he did rush for 1,200 yrds in 06-07. However those 2 yrs ended with McNabb injured (ACL, sports Hernia). So westbrooks stats were padded to the fact that Jeff Garcia and Mike McWhatever his name is were the Qbs.

  90. jan van flac says: Mar 10, 2010 11:53 AM

    “He lacks the killer instinct. When he’s happy and in a good mood, he plays AWESOME. As soon as the going gets tough, he goes down hill and FAST. If the Birds are down by more than 7 or 10pts, his accuracy goes to shit, starts throwing into the dirt, starts holding the ball too long and starts to get happy feet.”
    Like when he brought the Eagles back from a 24-6 deficit in the NFCG against arizona last year, only to have the defense fail?
    Not Mcnabbs fault. He deserved to go to the SB for that game. Or when he threw 4 tds on a broken ankle. or played well with busted ribs for half of this season.
    You may not like his personality but NO ONE can deny his toughness.

  91. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 10, 2010 12:07 PM

    @ toe-to-toe
    My friend, while I love your insults on my grammar and typing abilities I can’t help but find them humorous at the same time. I find it humorous that I have the ability to give someone like yourslef an opportunity to make yourself feel better by looking for little misspelled words and typos. I like using “terd” because it incorporates the word “nerd”. I don’t really give a damn the proper spelling of it. Next, I do not live in Texas and I never had the opportunity to be schooled there but I am pretty sure that right now there is a debate that they want to take the constitution out of their history books. Thats says it all.
    Now onto the football part.. how can we prove or assume that Wayne or Harrison would have been as good without Manning or vice versa? We can’t, well you can try to, but most of us don’t have that ability. Next, please for the love of god respond to me and let me know how many first round WR’s have gone on to be “elite”. I think you main find out that being drafted in the first round does not guarantee you that you have the best WR or at any postion. Ask Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Andre Ware etc. And as far as Brady, Moss definately had something to do with that TD season. Also refer to Deion Branch in terms of success without Brady.
    In closing, you obviously read my post, regradless of your claims of me being “retarded”. So I guess I win.
    @ rickah
    While Vox does indeed do a better job of digging up facts, I use pure logic based off reason that rarely needs factual support. The problem is that you dont like the facts so you get mad. That’s fine, I’m ok with that. Again, you cannot possinly try to compare 11 years of NFL service to 4 and a half and even think you keep credibility. Romo has choked once, McNabb has gotten you close but has never won anything. Sorry chief, those are again, facts and I am sorry that they don’t mesh with your opinion. And again, I dont even live in Texas so this steers crap is nonsense.

  92. --Begz-- says: Mar 10, 2010 12:10 PM

    I do like Sal Pal……but it seems like he is way off on his reports and predictions over the past couple years, I don’t believe it until I see it or hear more from another source

  93. BroncoBourque says: Mar 10, 2010 12:14 PM

    @Chapnasty
    You’re right my standards are so low that I can show respect to a guy who has been one of the most successful QBs over the last decade. Coming from a Cowboys fan whose team just won their first playoff game since 1995 I would think that you would realize that a team that goes to the conference championship game is pretty successful. Doing it 4 years in a row is even better.
    You do realize that Romo has been in the league for 7 years now right? I happen to think he is a decent QB but you keep talking about, it takes time, and compare him to Manning and other elite QBs. so I will.
    These are the TEAM accomplishments for other QBs their first 7 years in the league.
    McNabb: 4 NFC Championship games and one Super Bowl appearance.
    Manning: 2 consecutive AFC Championship game apperances in year 6 and 7
    Brady: 3 Super Bowl titles and 4 AFC Championship game appearances (obviously with 3 wins)
    Rothlisberger: In only 6 years has 2 Super Bowl wins and obviously 2 AFC Championships
    Romo : 1 playoff win, in his 7th year in the league
    You’re right though, Romo is right on the same pace as other top QBs.

  94. Opie says: Mar 10, 2010 12:20 PM

    @ vox: um, Romo is a starting qb and DNabb is a starting qb so that’s where the comparison of Romo choking on a bobbled snap comes from. If you want to compare stats, then DNabb is far and away the leader there, between the two.
    Eagles are playing this very nicely. Kolb showed to those who wanted to see it that he could throw in this league. Delving further into those games, he may not be that convincing, but on the surface he looks like a decent qb. McNabb ain’t going to the Seahawks, damn Sal Pal and what he says.
    Eagles are creating a market, whether we can see it or not and by the time the dust settles we’ll be saying “damn, didn’t see that coming.”
    Kinda like trading for Peters out of nowhere last year…

  95. cbrianwatkins says: Mar 10, 2010 12:21 PM

    mcnabb doesnt go anywhere
    kolb is unproven and not the answer
    Vick has proven he is an average QB but also, not the answer
    Philly Sports fan’s are horrible people

  96. PhillyHouse says: Mar 10, 2010 12:28 PM

    Chapnasty: I’ll take back my “logic” statement. That was unfair.
    I will say that while it may seem that McNabb/Reid are the constant, but I’d argue that without them the Eagles wouldn’t have the moderate (and I did say “moderate”) success that they’ve had.
    Again, I’ll use your great cowboys teams of the early 90s. Things started to fall apart when the supporting cast fell apart. The Big 3 were still there, but the defense, o-line, coaching, etc., fell off. However, in the Eagles’ case, the supporting cast was not on a “championship level.”
    The bottom line is neither McNabb nor Reid are “elite.” But that doesn’t mean they “suck”.

  97. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 10, 2010 12:32 PM

    @ bronco
    I dont count being a pracitce squad QB and then a 3rd string QB and then a backup as being the same experience as the above mentioned QB’s. But yes, those who you have mentioned have been successful.

  98. Mooch says: Mar 10, 2010 12:37 PM

    “Cite an example of a guy who never played appreciating in value relative to where he was drafted.”
    “A guy named Brett Favre comes to mind.”
    Damn, that’s right. And it was because Wolf had always had a “thing” for Favre. So, it is possible – but we’d need to find a GM that had been in love with Kolb (and the Eagles said there were others interested at the draft).
    I still think it may hurt that we sat him for so long and are willing to deal him. But if that GM is out there I suppose it is possible.
    JLBAY – Good job by you!

  99. Mooch says: Mar 10, 2010 12:38 PM

    “Cite an example of a guy who never played appreciating in value relative to where he was drafted.”
    “A guy named Brett Favre comes to mind.”
    Damn, that’s right. And it was because Wolf had always had a “thing” for Favre. So, it is possible – but we’d need to find a GM that had been in love with Kolb (and the Eagles said there were others interested at the draft).
    I still think it may hurt that we sat him for so long and are willing to deal him. But if that GM is out there I suppose it is possible.
    JLBAY – Good job by you!

  100. scrapdawg12 says: Mar 10, 2010 12:40 PM

    If Kolb is truly a franchise QB. Take Seattles 7th overall pick for Kolb and our 2nd rounder. With that 7th pick, Rolando Mclain the LB from Bama and at 24 the best Dend avail or the guy we really want Taylor Mays….I guess that would make to much sense for the Eagles however. None of it will happen.

  101. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 10, 2010 12:45 PM

    @ philly
    I agree with everything you just said

  102. toe-to-toe bird law says: Mar 10, 2010 12:49 PM

    @ chapnasty2: the sequel
    Shhhhh. I think there’s a Hee-Haw marathon on right now that you should be watching. Let the adults talk football. Run along now.

  103. Mooch says: Mar 10, 2010 12:49 PM

    This would be a strong offer for Seattle…
    PHI gets…
    Second 1st round pick in 2010
    3rd round pick in 2011
    SEA gets…
    Donovan McNabb
    Rights to Shawn Andrews
    Philadelphia 76ers
    This helps the Eagles rebuild, and gives Seattle the QB and NBA franchise that they so dearly covet.

  104. BleedGreen says: Mar 10, 2010 12:52 PM

    .VoxVeritas says:
    March 10, 2010 10:46 AM
    “What the heck has Kolb shown.”
    I’ll tell you what he HASN’T shown. He HASN’T shown that he won’t be the guy to bring the 0-3gles their first Super Bowl championship. Why spend a 36th overall pick on a guy if you’re going to be afraid to play him? If he sucks and you don’t think he can be the guy, admit he was yet another busted high draft pick, get rid of him and get someone else. Why spend one more season propping McNabb up?
    —————————————–
    This is the first statement I agree with Vox 100% on. And thats coming from an Eagles fan here.

  105. o0OMorrisO0o says: Mar 10, 2010 1:05 PM

    myasylum and others:
    Yea Vick is an ex-con but does that mean you dont believe an ex con should ever feel happiness in life? Lets just NOT allow him in the NFL, lets take all his kids away, lets ban him from America, why stop at just the NFL? You guys are sooo pathetic.
    Are you sure its not you guys who have the bad personality? So quick to judge but maybe it is you who need to be judged. Yes what he did is wrong but hwy in the heck are we still having this freaking conversation? Drives me crazy. If I could leave the face of this world forever and get away from crummy society it would be great! Many people are just pathetic!!!

  106. Mooch says: Mar 10, 2010 1:12 PM

    What have the Eagles done in this post season to suggest that they aren’t entering a rebuilding phase?
    McNabb is gone. It’s obvious.
    This team has not been the business of signing old players for some time now – Runyan, Dawkins, Westbrook, etc. We’ve been rebuilding for a full year now. Which, if that is what their doing, is great news.

  107. o0OMorrisO0o says: Mar 10, 2010 1:12 PM

    McNabb needs to be traded. Its either trade him now and get value for him (1st round pick or something) or he walks next year and you get nothing for him. Its a no-brainer people…
    As far as Kolb haters who say he only beat the Chiefs and that he sucks and that we dont know if he is good. Well the arguement can go the other way too, we dont know that he is bad. From what I have seen in the two games he started has been good…
    391 yards passing in his first ever start? about 350 yards in his 2nd? And you aint impressed at all? First QB in history to throw for over 300 yards in his first two starts, and that doesnt mean anything?
    Dont blame the Saints loss on him, blame the pour defense. Kolb out-threw the mighty Breese by 80 yards. Yes he had 3 INTs but only 1 was when the game was at all anywhere near being close and the last one was just a hail marry pryor at the end so…
    I think (and this is just my honest opinion) that Kolb will be more accurate and more consistent then McNabb which means overall BETTER! So why not trade McNabb for a 1st, a 2nd and a player, or big time player, or something along those linds? I think Kolb could go for a 2nd, anyone who doesnt thinks so underesitmates teams desires for franchise QBs…
    Lecture Over!!!

  108. REALPHAN says: Mar 10, 2010 1:18 PM

    MOOCH….your a turd Eagles Hater who laps up Angelo’s and Rhea’s Crap and spouts it out as his own!
    You say: “Cite an example of a guy who never played appreciating in value relative to where he was drafted.
    Time’s yours.”
    ___________________________________
    ….HHGGGHHMMM (clearing my throat like Andy Reid…the winningest coach in Eagles history)……MATT SCHAUB ….you TWIT! Schaub was drafted in the 3rd ROUND, played in 6 games as a pro and was traded to Houston for 2 2nd round picks (and we are talking HOUSTON 2nd rounders) and a swapping of FIRST ROUNDERS! And remember….Schaub could not seem to get Mike Vick off the field! But still he was worht MORE than what he was drafted as!
    And I love how rip on McNabb but you probably LOVED B-DAWK! You know, B-Dawk… the guy who NEVER HAD A BIG PLAY …INT/FF/SACK ANYTHING in 5 NFC Champ games!!!…..if you knew anything about football you would know that defense wins and QB’s and Coaches get too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses…..if Trent Dilfer can get it done…so can McNabb…..just give me a Ray Lewis, or an Ed Reed instead of Trotter and B-Dawk! I’d be happy with a Polomalu and Porter over the so called Defenses we have been given the last few years.

  109. BroncoBourque says: Mar 10, 2010 2:21 PM

    @Chapnasty2
    Even if you choose to ignore the fact that Romo was unable to beat out Drew Bledsoe for the first 3 years of his career, he has still had 4 full seasons as the Cowboys starter.
    In those 4 years he has had more talent arround him than McNabb had in his first 4 years yet McNabb went to 2 NFC Championships while Romo has 1 playoff win. That includes McNabb’s rookie season where he didn’t start until mid November so under your selective way of tracking a career that shouldn’t even count.
    The bottom line is that McNabb has had plenty of success in the league, he just hasn’t been fortunate enough to win Super Bowl. 95% of all QBs who have played in the league would gladly take half the success McNabb has had, yet somehow you haters try to suggest he is a failure.

  110. jimicos says: Mar 10, 2010 2:45 PM

    BlueEyeDevils says:
    March 10, 2010 10:58 AM
    Let’s see…………. last season when Vick signed with the Eagles, ESPN and other so called experts were scratching their heads saying…….
    “We didn’t see that one coming” :)
    So it doesn’t surprise me that they are clueless once again…………… ha ha ha
    Mr. NFL gets what he wants………..
    Ha Ha Ha
    —————————–
    Right.. And when Vick attempted 13 passes all season (less than 1/7 the total thrown by Kolb), you scratched your head and said, “I didn’t see that one coming.”
    Ha Ha Ha
    Vick will never amount to anything as an NFL passer. He shouldn’t have played the position.

  111. jimicos says: Mar 10, 2010 2:55 PM

    BlueEyeDevils says:
    March 10, 2010 11:08 AM
    Matt “Great White Hope” Ryan is really making Atlanta fans forget about Mr. NFL with all those playoff wins/pro bowls/dome sellouts/jersey sales…………
    HA HA HA
    —————————
    What a joke you are. Ask any Falcons fan if they’d rather have Mike Vick or Matt Ryan at QB–now or in Vick’s prime. Ryan can get the ball to his receivers. That’s something Vick never figured out.
    In two years Ryan already has a higher QB rating, completion percentage and winning percentage than Vick.
    As for playoff success, that usually doesn’t happen overnight. This was a 4-12 team when Ryan was drafted. And I’m sure Falcons fans put a lot of pride into the three “Pro Bowl” seasons Mike Vick had. That guy had as much business being voted to the Pro Bowl at QB as Mike Alstott being voted in at FB. It’s a farce.
    Quick: name the last Pro Bowl QB to pass for 16 TDs or less. Vick did it three times.

  112. jimicos says: Mar 10, 2010 2:58 PM

    I suddenly feel like I’m kicking the retarded kid. This isn’t as fun as it should be.

  113. Mooch says: Mar 10, 2010 3:01 PM

    Shaub is a good example as well, OK? And I HATE Angelo, I am a Missenelli guy. Which makes me a pain in the ass fan, but at least one who cares about getting this team back on track.
    For that reason, I supported the release of B-Dawk, as well as the firing of the employee who ripped the organization on facebook. I also am OK with releasing Westbrook, and not going after over-priced FA’s like Peppers and Rolle.
    But here is where we differ about how to proceed given the state of the Birds…
    “…if you knew anything about football you would know that defense wins”
    Oh, I sure do. Jim Johnson, IMO, carried this team for the better part of Reid’s tenure. And since ours will take 2 years to rebuild (since we could not use the inflated FA market as a quick fix, and must turn to 2nd tier guys and draft picks) I don’t see hanging onto McNabb as making any sense.
    He will walk after this season. Given the sorry state of our personnel we will win only about 10 games and lose in round 1. So what was is point? To be the 2005-2007 Philadelphia 76ers of football?
    If you are going to go for it one last time with McNabb, then go for it. Break the bank and overpay for FA’s this year (note that the Bears can cut Peppers after 2010). If you are not, then cash in the DMac asset, because after this season it loses all value. And the extra picks would help us fill all these holes on D and OL.
    McNabb or no McNabb, the 2010 team is not going to compete for a SB. Sad, but true. All runs end, and this was a great run. But it is over.
    “…if Trent Dilfer can get it done…so can McNabb…..just give me a Ray Lewis, or an Ed Reed instead of Trotter and B-Dawk! I’d be happy with a Polomalu and Porter over the so called Defenses we have been given the last few years. ”
    Of course, and it is nice to have a run-heavy attack with Jamal Lewis and Bettis while we’re at it. But when I look over this group it is clear we are so far away from defenses of that caliber. If we had a defense that good, you would not hear me calling for McNabb to be dealt. I would be happy to roll the dice one last time.
    If we both agree that the defense in subpar, and that FA was not worthwhile, then the problems of 2009 will not be fixed.
    So why bring back the QB?
    You have a short-term goal to win a SB with this group. It ain’t happening, in part because McNabb cannot overcome the average personnel level on D and OL. I am not sure there is a QB who could.
    You have a long-term goal to rebuild and get back to a SB. McNabb will certainly be gone by the time that is completed ( I estimate 2 yrs for the bounce-back, which is ambitious), so keeping him is meaningless. Plus, you retard the process by not getting picks for McNabb that would have sped up the rebuilding.
    So, I guess the question is this…why would anyone keep McNabb aside from personal considerations?

  114. Whiterhinocerous says: Mar 10, 2010 3:04 PM

    # .VoxVeritas says: March 10, 2010 10:36 AM
    “Chapnasty2 – If ‘washed’ up means 22 td’s and 10 ints a year (As McNabb had last year) then i would love to have a washed up QB like McNabb. Had 23 td’s and 11 ints the year before and hes ‘washed up’ ??”
    Don’t confuse high-percentage and red zone passing with good quarterbacking.
    ———–
    From the guy that tries his hardest to confuse passing attempts records with good quarterbacking.

  115. Whiterhinocerous says: Mar 10, 2010 3:06 PM

    Chapnasty2 says: March 10, 2010 10:44 AM
    @ rickah
    Romo hasnt really choked other than the bobbled snap. But that was his first season as a starter, actually he didnt even start the whole season.
    —————-
    Snap vs. Seahawks. Playoff game vs. Giants as the #1 seed. 44-6 with the playoffs on the line.
    You must be a painter when you’re not trolling Eagles threads. You’re so good at whitewashing things.

  116. jager says: Mar 10, 2010 3:11 PM

    McNabb would be a great ‘Hawk where he would be appreciated. Stuck with Vick just let him play…you guys said he was gonna be a great addition and the rest of the world laughed…still laughing!

  117. treeko says: Mar 10, 2010 3:21 PM

    rather trade Reid,Banner and Lurie

  118. JunkYardDogg1156 says: Mar 10, 2010 3:34 PM

    o0OMorrisO0o says:
    March 10, 2010 1:05 PM
    myasylum and others:
    Yea Vick is an ex-con but does that mean you dont believe an ex con should ever feel happiness in life? Lets just NOT allow him in the NFL, lets take all his kids away, lets ban him from America, why stop at just the NFL? You guys are sooo pathetic.
    Are you sure its not you guys who have the bad personality? So quick to judge but maybe it is you who need to be judged. Yes what he did is wrong but hwy in the heck are we still having this freaking conversation? Drives me crazy. If I could leave the face of this world forever and get away from crummy society it would be great! Many people are just pathetic!!!
    ————————————————
    Posts like this are pathetic – the guy attached electodes to sick animals balls, he set sick animals on FIRE!
    Judge? Be real bro, you really find that to be acceptable behavior. People that defend Vick & minimize the evil are crummy – What he did for personal entainment is crummy, how he lied when caught is crummy, how he never did one day for setting animals on fire is crummy.
    And people that can just forgive that type of conduct & say he deserves to play football, which isn’t a right last time I checked the Bill of Rights, are pathetic – No one said to ban him from the USA but, to have influence in children after what he did is scary for sure.

  119. Playoffs?! says: Mar 10, 2010 3:39 PM

    Why would the seahawks want a historical choke artist and an un-proven QB? Doesn’t make ANY sense at all…

  120. Real Football Fan says: Mar 10, 2010 3:45 PM

    Donnavan McNabb = Warren Moon, and Kevin Kolb = Cody Carlson from the mid 90′s. Remember the Titans, Eagles fans before you run off a franchise QB who’s taken you a lot of places before you part ways with him. QB’s aren’t RB’s, you don’t get rid of them early, until they can’t play anymore (unless you’re living through the Brett Favre soap opera as a front office every year). The Titans/Oilers went 1-15 after making that same kind of premature move, and everybody lost their jobs.

  121. Mooch says: Mar 10, 2010 4:18 PM

    Cody Carlson? On what do you base that opinion?
    But I think Warren Moon may be apt – he continued to put up pretty numbers for 2 more seasons after leaving the Oilers, while winning nothing.
    The Oilers…well, at least they found out Carlson wasn’t the answer…and by the time Warren was falling off the cliff career-wise two seasons later, the Oilers had Steve McNair at the helm.
    And that seemed to be a pretty nice plan, a foot away from the SB.

  122. Whiterhinocerous says: Mar 10, 2010 4:32 PM

    Chapnasty2 says: March 10, 2010 12:07 PM
    I like using “terd” because it incorporates the word “nerd”. I don’t really give a damn the proper spelling of it. Next, I do not live in Texas and I never had the opportunity to be schooled there but I am pretty sure that right now there is a debate that they want to take the constitution out of their history books. Thats says it all.
    —————-
    It says to me A) You’re a moron. No wonder you like the term 0-3gles. Because you fancy yourself Hemmingway, but all you’re doing is mangling the English language. Nobody – NOBODY – read your post and said “Wow, what a play on the words turd/nerd!”
    And B) You’re not from Texas? So you’re a typical bandwagon frontrunning Cowboys fan. No wonder you live in a time machine. It must suck being completely and utterly irrelevant in your area, since your team hasn’t won anything since ’94 and you don’t even have regional pride to go on.

  123. Whiterhinocerous says: Mar 10, 2010 4:33 PM

    # BleedGreen says: March 10, 2010 12:52 PM
    This is the first statement I agree with Vox 100% on. And thats coming from an Eagles fan here.
    ————
    Same here. When the dude’s got a point, he’s got a point.

  124. jlbay says: Mar 10, 2010 4:51 PM

    Mooch,
    I for one agree with your assessment . . . trading McNabb now is the smartest move. Look at the Eagles offense from a chronological viewpoint . . . the skill players are Weaver 28, Celek 25, Jackson 24, Maclin 22 and McCoy 22 – the O-Line Cole 26, Herrmans 28, Peters 28, Justice 26 (I don’t think Jamal Jackson will be back – they will replace him somehow) – so who fits in better McNabb at 34 or Kolb at 26. The Eagles have quietly gone through a youth movement on Offense . . . QB and Center are the last pieces to be transitioned.
    The one other theory I have heard that makes some sense concerning McNabb, and that I wouldn’t put past the Eagles brass, is that they let him play out the last year of his contract, extend Kolb, Franchise McNabb next year and trade him for picks to any team interested next year.
    But, IMHO, the lack of activity in the Free Agent market is a clear signal that the Eagles aren’t going after one more year with McNabb. Not only are they not signing and FA, but they are getting rid of older guys with oversized salaries – they traded R. Brown (great idea and a year to late) and cut Witherspoon (the best LB they had from last year but is about to hit that magic age number of 30) at a relatively cheap price of $11M over 3 yrs – $5M guaranteed. I think the Eagles are in full blown youth movement, Donovan just doesn’t realize it yet.
    If the report about Seattle and other teams contacting the Birds is correct, then the Eagles brass is playing this situation perfectly. One final thought, if Arizona, San Fran or Seattle traded for McNabb, in each case who would have to be the favorite to win the NFC West? Hell as bad as the Rams were last year, with SF and Seattle doing virtually nothing in the FA market, and Arizona losing players left and right (Warner, Boldin, Rolle and Dansby) they could even compete with McNabb teaming up with Steven Jackson.

  125. raidresnation says: Mar 10, 2010 6:08 PM

    Vick to Oakland coming soon..

  126. pad177 says: Mar 10, 2010 8:09 PM

    A few people touched on it– the Eagles are rebuilding. Front office personnel don’t keep their jobs by rebuilding, it takes 1-2 too many years of poor performance for fans to not be calling for someone’s head. I think at this point the discussion of who will be QB for the Birds is pertinent but not paramout. Does anyone think the Eagles can get to and win the big game with their current D? Does anyone think that a team that gets McNabb or Vick would be a SB contender?
    I think McNabb easily provides the best chance of a winning record for the Birds this year… but without a defense I am confused as to why this QB situation is being taken so seriously. When we talk about rebuilding, we mean the defense rebuilding. The Eagles more or less need an entirely new secondary, entirely new LB’s, and could use upgrades at 3 out of 4 D-line positions.
    I hope the Birds start with LB… Navarro Bowman at #24

  127. Real Football Fan says: Mar 11, 2010 12:58 AM

    @ Mooch ,
    Carlson is a perfect example. QB who’d only played well in spot duty given the reins off of those limited experiences, which leads to disaster. yeah, McNair ended up being good later, but he was probably the biggest reason that they didn’t win that Super Bowl because he was awful passing the ball that day, not to mention that it took them 5 years to even make it back to the playoffs. All of this while the AFC was in flux and up for grabs between 95-98, and as you admit, Moom was still putting up good numbers. Career numbers against the Cheifs (a truly awful team and defense) and a soft New Orleans defense (where you still got destroyed) doesn’t merit jettisoning a borderline Hall of Fame QB, who’s still at least top 3 in your conference. Actually, it’s rather absurd that Eagle fans (and the Eagle management) are even contemplating this asinine logic.

  128. heisty says: Mar 11, 2010 6:48 AM

    As a Seahawks fan I can’t even fathom this!!! 1st Pete says he wants to win right away although we have not even signed 1 free agent yet. Glaring holes in the secondary,o-line and D-line. NOT quarterback!!! Reports say the Eagles would want BOTH 1st rnd picks for Kolb..are you serious,if he’s that good why the hell aren’t they playing him. Let’s improve are biggest holes on the team before we look at quarterback…I don’t even think they would be upgradding the quarterback position. The only thing Kolb or Mcnabb would upgrade would be running foir their lives with our pourous O-Line.

  129. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 11, 2010 7:18 AM

    @ Whiterhinocerous
    Wow, I personally don’t give a rats ass if you care about my correlation with terd and nerd. I also cant stand when people use “nite” instead of “night” if you want to know. I also find it funny that when some idiot like yourself comes on here and tries to point out someone’s spelling of a word such as “terd” or “turd”, I really dont give a damn how you spell it, the fact that you would seriously debate an alternate name for human waste shows you have nothing else to go on. Next, I have never used the term “0-3gles”. Not once. So this proves to me again you are an idiot. Next, I have been a Cowboys fan since I was 8 so this bandwagon crap you speak of is not only played out but it is also inaccurate. Whats funny is that I live in DC and there are suprisingly just as many people wearing Cowboys gear on Sundays as Redskins fans. Regional pride? What the hell? How about just team pride for being the most successful franchise in NFL history. I mean the Redskins play in Maryland so does that mean every fan that doesn’t live in Maryland can’t be a Redskins fan? And finally, I know this is out of order with your personal posts but I again find it odd that Romo is held to such high standards at such an early part of his career. Choke against the Giants? How about Patrick Crayton dropping a slant route that could have ended up in 6? Do you know anything about football or are you one of these guys who comes on here with extremely low self esteem because your wife is likely cheating on you with a much more successful, young dude who is just that much better than you? People like you I don’t get, if you want to debate football, fine do it. But at least have some sense of logic behind it.
    @ bronco
    Romo didn’t beat out Bledsoe because of Parcells. Parcells wanted to be patient with him and let him develop. I mean you have to remember that they also believed Drew Henson would be the solution before Romo as well. But again, I can see your logic and applaud your arguments.

  130. Mooch says: Mar 11, 2010 7:29 AM

    RFF – the Vikes went 10-6 and 8-8 despite Moon’s excellent 1994-1995 years. His nice stats were meaningless. So, in the end…so what?
    But you make the mistake of assuming that I think Kolb is the next coming of Montana and McNabb sucks. That isn’t true. McNabb is an asset that needs to be cashed in now, because he’s gone at the end of this season anyway.
    Kolb could be any number of things – from Carlson to Sanchez, from Kellen Clemons to Tom Brady. How could anyone tell from his limited body of work.
    But here is the question – how does keeping McNabb help you long term or short term? Or do you think the Birds can win a SB with this defense and OL?
    Or is your plan to bring him back for 2011 as well?

  131. Mooch says: Mar 11, 2010 7:32 AM

    “Carlson is a perfect example. QB who’d only played well in spot duty given the reins off of those limited experiences, which leads to disaster.”
    Brady didn’t even play that well in spot duty. We can each cite examples like this all day, but you cannot say one way or the other how it’ll go with Kolb.

  132. Real Football Fan says: Mar 11, 2010 6:11 PM

    @ Mooch ,
    Do you remember those Vikings teams in contrast with the Oilers of the mid 90′s. The Oilers were a real Super Bowl contender, the Vikings were not. Therefore, the Oilers took themselves completely out of contention because they decided to prematurely give their QB job to Carlson, and thus couldn’t contend for Super Bowls that San Humphries’ led Chargers and Neil O’Donnell led Steelers were going to. Yeah, that was sound management thinking, cutting your Super Bowl aspirations short to start over and stay out of the playoffs for 5 years. Those 5 years when the Jaguars almost made it to the Super bowl, the colts with Harbaugh at QB almost made the Super Bowl, etc. Yeah, but at least they found out if Carlson could play or not and got started on re-building early instead of being in the thick of all that.
    Why wouldn’t the Eagles be in contention. The re-building effort isn’t that severe. The Saints just won the Super Bowl with one of the softest defenses I’ve ever seen. The Giants won 2 years ago just because they got “hot” at the right time. For God sake,the Cardinals almost won the Super Bowl last year mainly because they had a terrific QB. You Eagles fans have an inflated sense of how good your team has been over the years. Outside of the championship losses to Carolina and Tampa especially (where I think you still would have been rolled by the Raiders), McNabb has taken that franchise beyond your wildest dreams, and I doubt any of that will be going on after he leaves because Reed is more of the problem in how he builds that offense especially. Westbrook ran well, but he was never a workhorse back, and now they’ve replaced him with a similar back in McCoy. That’s the real problem in Philly, and those problems will get worse, not better when you turn the reigns over to Kolb because Reed puts too much on his QB.
    Ask the Bronco fans how they’d feel about their team had Dan Reeves gotten his way, sending John Elway out of town for Tommy Maddox. Bottom line is, when you discuss NFC QB’s, the list is Drew Brees, Brett Favre, mcNabb, period. Manning is wildly inconsistent despite his Super Bowl win, Romo has only one playoff win, Rodgers (although not his fault) has none, and Matt Ryan as of now has done nothing in this league in comparison. If you still have that, you don’t get rid of that prematurely. The Pantheres treated Jake Delhomme (1/8 of the player that McNabb is) with more respect thatn the Eagles have given to McNabb, holding onto him until it was very apparent he couldn’t play anymore.
    Also, Brady was a quite different situation. He only played after Bledso nearly died on the field with a punctured lung, and they kept winning. Starting most of the season is a much bigger sample size than a couple of starts in September to determine that you’ll jettison your starter for another guy. Furthermore, news flash, Bledsoe was never in McNabb’s class as a QB, know that’s hard for you Eagle fans to contemplate that you’ve had one of the best of this era, even without the ring.

  133. SmackMyVickUp.com says: Mar 11, 2010 9:28 PM

    I am not surprised that there’s no market for Vick. The 0-3gles will be lucky to get a 6th rounder for him.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5oPt4VUOBc

  134. Mooch says: Mar 11, 2010 9:38 PM

    Check out Bledsoe’s stats and McNabb’s – then come back and discuss. Almost identical aside from INT’s.

  135. Real Football Fan says: Mar 12, 2010 9:10 AM

    I’ll pretend you didn’t just make that comparison between Bledsoe and McNabb. Bledsoe isn’t borderline anything, McNabb is this generation’s John Elway. There were many QB’s who had much better stats than Elway in his era, but he outshone them when it counted on the field. The Broncos wisely kept a great leader who’d lost a lot of big games until they actuallly surrounded him with the perfect mix to finally get it done. You don’t run franchise QB’s off before they’re done if your team is still contending and that player is still producing. They’re not running backs, they’re not that easy to replace.
    The Eagles have had that this last decade, or do you forget the Koy Detmers of the world that were leading your franchise before he got there. Five NFC championship games, one Super Bowl with not a number one receiver in sight the majority of his career and no true work horse back. Do you realize that’s nearly half of his career that he’s had you in that position with not the best talent in the world surrounding him on offense? You people better wake up in Philly. Kolb can’t go anywhere until 2013, so what’s the big rush?
    Instead of worrying about “cashing in” chips as you call it to go with a QB that you have no clue can actually get the job done (which the odds based on history will be he won’t), why not worry about actually getting your team over the hump finally by drafting some impact players for a change instead of more offensive and defensive linemen? Why not finally find a workhorse back to compliment your good QB play and scat back? Why not fix your secondary and LB problems so that you can contend for the NFC that no team has even come close to dominating the past 5 years? That’d make more sense to me, but hey, I like my team to try to win the Super Bowl every year when possible, not “cash in their chips” like we’re playing poker for something as uncertain as the future.

  136. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 12, 2010 1:16 PM

    @ realfootballfan
    First comparing McNabb to Elway just ruined any credibility you may have had and next McNabb couldn’t get to the superbowl until he had a #1, who at the time was arguably the best WR in the game. TO. Hasn’t been back since.

  137. Real Football Fan says: Mar 15, 2010 12:52 AM

    I ruined my credibility, but you compared Drew Bledsoe to McNabb. Lol, that’s funny. Unlike you, I actually remember Elway’s career, that career where he didn’t throw for over 60% comp before 1990. Also, I remember him losing championship games and Super Bowls to Jacksonville Jaguars, Dug Williams led Redskins, and other misfit squads until Shanahan actually came in and took some of the pressure off his shoulders with a great RB and very good WR’s. I’d take the three Amigos, as mediocre as they were, over any receiver the Eagles had pre T.O. In addition, who could forget how weak the AFC was at that time since they lost 14 straight Super Bowls to the NFC. Hey, but those are just the facts, not my NFL films induced recollection of what actually happened.
    I think the comparison is pretty accurate as I haven’t seen 2 QB’s shoulder their teams offense more than those two men. Difference is that Elway played in a town where his fans appreciated him, McNabb has played his career in front of a market of unappreciative jackasses.

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