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Would-be safeties say Fins were playing it too safe financially

The Miami Dolphins landed linebacker Karlos Dansby on the first day, arguably paying too much for the first-day-of-free-agency acquisition.

When it comes to signing a player to beef up the last line of the Dolphins’ defense, the team hasn’t been quite as willing to cough up the cash.

“The budget that they were willing to spend on a safety was a little
bit lower than what I was looking for,” newly-minted Giants safety Antrel Rolle recently told our pal Joe Rose of WQAM, via Edgar Thompson of the Palm Beach Post.  “Miami would have been nice just for the
fact that it’s home.  But I don’t think anyone would sell themselves
short just to stay in their hometown, especially when you have someone
like the Giants making such a great offer and giving me such a great
opportunity.”

Safety Ryan Clark made a similar suggestion after he visited the Dolphins but stayed put in the end with the Steelers.  “What it came down to was the inability for us to agree on a deal,” Clark told Josina Anderson of FOX 31 in Denver.  “[The
Dolphins] offered what they thought was fair, but in the end I didn’t
agree
.”

Still, this isn’t a matter of the Dolphins being cheap.  They broke the bank for Dansby, whom they apparently believe will be an impact player.  When it came to Rolle and Clark, they weren’t willing to compete with the other offers.  Absent the kind of desperation that has driven the Bears to overpay for multiple players, it makes no sense for a team that already is competitive to pay more than the team thinks it should to address a position that, in all fairness, isn’t as critical as other aspects of the defense.

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42 Responses to “Would-be safeties say Fins were playing it too safe financially”
  1. Finatic78 says: Mar 10, 2010 8:43 AM

    We still need a safety though!

  2. DoctorK says: Mar 10, 2010 8:50 AM

    I’m glad Ryan came back to the Steelers. I would have liked to have seen Leigh Bodden in black and gold, too. But really, neither is the high profile, shutdown DB that you would think commands the high salary. Without a salary cap this year, the climate has changed.

  3. drumbug71 says: Mar 10, 2010 8:50 AM

    “Absent the kind of desperation that has driven the Bears to overpay for multiple players, it makes no sense for a team that already is competitive to pay more than the team thinks it should to address a position that, in all fairness, isn’t as critical as other aspects of the defense.”
    I have two comments to make about that.
    1) You’re saying that the Dolphins were already competitive? Didnt they finish 7-9 last year? Sure they were two games out of the playoffs, but they need a lot of help to do better than 7-9.
    2) I think the secondary is hugely important, especially in a league where the deep ball and passing game are so popular. When teams routinely take shots down the field, hoping for either a huge completion or a penalty, you need a smart guy in your cornerbacks or safeties to make a good decision and, hopefully, a huge play.

  4. juniorlas says: Mar 10, 2010 8:50 AM

    I love how Clark and his agent originally said that it wasn’t about money. I think his agent said that “this was the first deal EVER that wasn’t about money”. Idiots.

  5. certaincoachditka says: Mar 10, 2010 8:50 AM

    FREE safety?

  6. dolfinator0776 says: Mar 10, 2010 8:51 AM

    Im hoping and praying that we have some brilliant plan for a safety, cause it will be a long season if we have to watch the the crap that we are currently trying to peddle as a secondary.

  7. NachoBidness says: Mar 10, 2010 8:52 AM

    In other words, they wanted someone to OVERpay for their services. Just because the team needs a safety doesn’t mean we have to take the only available ones. This draft is deep, we can find one there.

  8. mike_311 says: Mar 10, 2010 8:55 AM

    how are the dolphins different than every other team in the nfl? They have a price they are willing to pay and the player wants more they let them walk…
    i don’t get the point of this story..

  9. 69ers says: Mar 10, 2010 8:59 AM

    Didn’t Ryan Clark take less money to stay in Pittsburgh?

  10. MiaFins1 says: Mar 10, 2010 8:59 AM

    The Dolphins offered Rolle $ 6.5 mil a year and they offered Clark a good contract. Rolle went for the money with the Giants and Clark used the Fins to get a contract from Pitt. So why do they need to talk about the Fins like it was there fault they didn’t sign there?

  11. JMoney says: Mar 10, 2010 9:00 AM

    In a nut shell you are saying the Dolphins are stupid for overpaying for a top notch OLB/ILB but are also stupid for not overpaying for a FS?
    Define Overpaying cause I believe Dansby took less than what he originally thought he was worth and it would be hard to believe Bill Parcells would over pay for anyone….
    I guess you are probably right and I am shocked you got passed over for the Browns GM job.

  12. WarrenMoonGOAT says: Mar 10, 2010 9:02 AM

    off topic but did Braylon Edwards get resigned by the Jets? isn’t he an unrestricted free agent?

  13. steeleagle says: Mar 10, 2010 9:02 AM

    I wonder if the agent really presented all the facts to A. Rolle. In NYC, you pay local, state and federal income tax PLUS property taxes. In FL, you only pay federal and property taxes. With the FL real estate market being in the toilet, the price paid and taxes would be lower. The agent gets a cut of the GROSS pay of a player, so this deal (would have to compare the 2 offers) is a great one for the agent. At the end of the day, if the 2 offers (in real net dollars) are close why play close to home?

  14. Jpgedds says: Mar 10, 2010 9:10 AM

    @Doctor K …it’s pronounced black and yellow

  15. Crowder911 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:13 AM

    i think its the right thing to do
    they still use some sort of cap and are not willing to pay above average players superstar money. Dansby who will be a star got the money for that reason.
    i stilll love how they operate. If you break the bank for a FS his name is better Bethea or Reed.

  16. Krow says: Mar 10, 2010 9:13 AM

    These are pretty mild comments… what’s all the fuss about?

  17. Bookman says: Mar 10, 2010 9:14 AM

    juinorlas says:
    I love how Clark and his agent originally said that it wasn’t about money. I think his agent said that “this was the first deal EVER that wasn’t about money”. Idiots
    You are exactly right. When he turned down the Fins offer and signed with the Steelers the first thing he said was it was because of his family, and loyalty to the team that got him a ring. Give me a break, these guys speak out of both sides of their mouths.

  18. Burnum says: Mar 10, 2010 9:15 AM

    The Dolphins did not overpay for Dansby at all. He’s one of the best ILB’s in the NFL and, at 28, he is in his prime and can play for another 4-5 years. He’s not just a good player, he’s among the best at his position.
    That said, I also understand the Dolphins didn’t want to overpay for a FS (like they did last year with Gibril Wilson). Rolle and Clark are good players, no doubt, but they are nowhere close to the market value of Dansby.
    Just use the draft (and this year’s extremely deep draft class) to get a OLB, NT and FS…

  19. BornSlippy says: Mar 10, 2010 9:18 AM

    Aka dolpins drafting 1st round safety anyways.
    Earl Thomas

  20. red13 says: Mar 10, 2010 9:28 AM

    “…it makes no sense for a team that already is competitive to pay more than the team thinks it should to address a position that, in all fairness, isn’t as critical as other aspects of the defense.”
    Seriously? Tell that to Ed Reed or Troy Palomalu. I can see not paying for someone who is not great, but I don’t think safety is a throwaway position like you made it sound…

  21. smashmouthd says: Mar 10, 2010 9:46 AM

    Draft is coming up, some very good looking safeties there.
    People get too caught up in Free Agency signings… two of the best teams around all DECADE were the Steelers and Colts, who build their teams 98.9% thru the draft.
    Parcells has proven fairly adept at building teams the past quarter century, so I wouldn’t get worried about what some overpaid free agent Safeties think.

  22. Xpensive Wino says: Mar 10, 2010 9:52 AM

    I have no problem with them not overpaying. Just picking up familiar names early in free agency doesn’t mean you’ve automatically solved your problems. The Dolphins have come to know that first-hand.
    Not to mention, if Dick Anderson or Jake Scott suited up right now, they would better than Gerbil Wilson was last year. An undrafted free agent would be better than that pile of sh**.
    Rome wasn’t built in a day…….

  23. NachoBidness says: Mar 10, 2010 9:59 AM

    red13 says:
    March 10, 2010 9:28 AM
    “…it makes no sense for a team that already is competitive to pay more than the team thinks it should to address a position that, in all fairness, isn’t as critical as other aspects of the defense.”
    Seriously? Tell that to Ed Reed or Troy Palomalu. I can see not paying for someone who is not great, but I don’t think safety is a throwaway position like you made it sound…
    Yeah, seriously. You picked two superstars who have the luxury of a superior front seven and cornerbacks who are paid to funnel recievers in their direction. NT and LB are more critical for the Dolphins at this point than safety.

  24. CTifer says: Mar 10, 2010 10:00 AM

    They’ve shown they’re willing to pay if they think they have the right guy. Dansby fits their mold, and even though he’s never even made the Pro Bowl, he still got the richest contract for an ILB.
    But if they didn’t offer these Safeties a ton of money, maybe they didn’t think they were worth a ton of money.

  25. dolfanSS says: Mar 10, 2010 10:09 AM

    As a diehard Dolphins fan I’ve got to say they desperately need a free safety that can cover. Last year they were torched in the middle of the field due to there slow ILB’s and run supporting safeties. I’m not sure an old geezer like Darren Sharper would be the answer and I don’t think they will draft anyone. It would be kind of scary if they go into camp with an open competition between Chris Clemons and Jason Allen for free safety. Move Will Allen to safety?

  26. Kong says: Mar 10, 2010 10:27 AM

    Chris Clemons will be the starting FS in 2010.

  27. Jabberwocky says: Mar 10, 2010 10:29 AM

    Nice little shot at the Bears for shelling out money to the MOST important position on a defense. Safeties don’t generally “break the bank” like you mentioned, so the Giants are the ones you should be taking a shot at. Surely you’ve read the details of Peppers contract in recent articles, basically saying the Bears didn’t in fact overpay for him, nor seemed that desperate. You’re a complete hack of writer. How did you get this gig again?

  28. BRUTUS9448 says: Mar 10, 2010 10:31 AM

    Dolphins probably feel good about clemons to not pay too much for a free saftely and maybe they think they can draft one.
    I don’t think clark had any intention of going to Miami and BP new it. So he low balled him and did steelers a favor.
    Rolle on the other hand would have gone to the dolphins if they paid more. But he’s not smart as there are no state taxes in florida so after taxes he would have gotten close to what the giants paid

  29. NachoBidness says: Mar 10, 2010 10:37 AM

    propheteer says:
    March 10, 2010 10:29 AM
    Nice little shot at the Bears for shelling out money to the MOST important position on a defense. Safeties don’t generally “break the bank” like you mentioned, so the Giants are the ones you should be taking a shot at. Surely you’ve read the details of Peppers contract in recent articles, basically saying the Bears didn’t in fact overpay for him, nor seemed that desperate. You’re a complete hack of writer. How did you get this gig again?
    He started up a wordpress blog numbnuts.

  30. obscenery says: Mar 10, 2010 10:38 AM

    As a Dolphins fan I have no problems here. I think they’ll draft a FS in the 1st round. Plus, I’d rather old Sharper than Clark or Rolle.

  31. The Jimmy says: Mar 10, 2010 10:44 AM

    69ers says:
    March 10, 2010 8:59 AM
    Didn’t Ryan Clark take less money to stay in Pittsburgh? _____________
    _____________
    I heard the same thing. I doubt it was a lot less though.

  32. Rex Ryan=Fat Twat says: Mar 10, 2010 11:24 AM

    oj atogwe anyone? 15 ints and 9 FF in the last 3 years!!!!!!! rams only tendered him with right to match offer. miami wouldnt have to give up anything but $ to get him.

  33. kvh59 says: Mar 10, 2010 11:26 AM

    all you Dolfans that think they didnt overpay for Dansby your crazy. $22 M guaranteed! He is not a top LB, he is a great pass rush specialist. Since the Dolphins havent had a true LB since Zach Thomas guess you guys forgot what to look for.
    With that said, In todays NFL you have to overpay to get the guy you want, otherwise Dan Snyder or Al Davis will pay them what your team did not want to pay. I’m all for the Dolphins and Giants going after a guy they believe will help there Def., Lets just be honest about it.

  34. Perfect Phinish says: Mar 10, 2010 11:36 AM

    “Didn’t the Dolphins finish 7-9 last year?”
    Yeah, without their starting RB, Corner, QB, WR (Camarillo) and multiple injuries on the front line all season; Joey Porter might has well been injured, and they are in the AFC east where they play the Jets (who they swept) and the Pats (1-1) twice. They also, according to John Clayton of ESPN, ‘had the hardest reagular season schedule’ per his power rankings. They took the Colts and Saints to the 4th, where barring a Ted Ginn endzone drop in the final seconds (colts) and a rookie coaching mistake and another Ted Ginn drop for a pick, they would have won. So yes, they are competetive…

  35. 305phinphan says: Mar 10, 2010 12:22 PM

    I don’t understand why the Dolphins are so concerned about trying to fill that S position. I think Chris Clemmons and Tyrone Culver will do just fine. I’m sure one of them can show the Trifecta during OTA’s that they belong in the starting lineup. One more thing are all the people that said the Phins “overpaid” for Karlos Dansby morons? Besides Patrick Willis he is the best ILB in the NFL and if it wasn’t for Willis still under his rookie contract than Dansby would not be highest paid. Oh but wait all of the morons say that he has never been to a probowl, and you’re point is? The probowl is nothing but a popularity contest he has nothing to do with how good a player actually is. Remember Cutler going two years ago? Phillip Rivers blew him away on stats that year but because Rivers rubs people the wrong way Mr. Interception went instead of him. I’m happy the Phins got Dansby and he will be the cornerstone leader of this defense for many years to come.

  36. Rex Ryan=Fat Twat says: Mar 10, 2010 1:34 PM

    who cares about overpaying? its not coming out of my wallet. Belichick gave Adalius Thomas 20 mil guaranteed. he’s garbage and irrelevent. speaking of garbage and irrelevent, Gibril Wilson got 24 million guaranteed from dolphins and raiders in 2 year span. thats overpaying! so what that dansby got 22 mil. thats fine for someone who is actually a good football player.

  37. texasPHINSfan says: Mar 10, 2010 3:01 PM

    Rolle & Clark were attractive only because they were the best out there in free agency at their position. That doesn’t mean they are the best at their position, or even near the top.
    The fact the Dolphins were not afraid to pay out for a player like Dansby, who is better than Rolle & Clark and a bigger need on the Dolphins, but not for the safeties just tells us what we already know; Rolle & Clark are above average players that were demanding top-of-the-position money. Not worth it.

  38. lifelongphinfan says: Mar 10, 2010 11:07 PM

    305PHINFAN- thank you that is a great point clemmons & culver both are very good possibilites and imo thats why they are not willing to over pay for a saftey

  39. cantgetenough says: Mar 11, 2010 12:40 PM

    Perfect Phinish,
    So aside from those 6 items you listed the Dolphins are competitive?

  40. Jintsbowl says: Mar 11, 2010 5:44 PM

    All you saying, “hey, lets wait for the draft” are crazy. How often does a FS or SS rookie make an impact? It’s usually a year of watching them get burned left and right while trying to learn ther playbook and develop their instincts.
    They may be good one day, but its at least a 2-3 year wait.

  41. fred says: Mar 11, 2010 7:50 PM

    man i wish Miami picks some type of FS SS in the free agent pool

  42. Rex Ryan=Fat Twat says: Mar 12, 2010 12:18 AM

    hey jintsbowl. how about jarius byrd, off the top of my head. anymore brain busters?

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