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Big Ben could be down to his last chance in Pittsburgh

BenRoethlisberger.jpgAs the Ben Roethlisberger investigation continues, the situation is having major potential ramifications within the walls of the Steelers organization.

We’ve been picking up indications of strong disapproval within the Rooney family regarding this latest charge of sexual assault, regardless of whether the allegation is legitimate or fabricated. 

Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reported during Wednesday’s “Around the League” segment on Total Access that Roethlisberger already has met with ownership regarding the latest ordeal, and that the Rooneys are sufficiently “dismayed” with the situation to cause some in the building to believe that another incident could result in the end of Ben’s career in Pittsburgh.

His well-publicized $102 million contract is moving toward the big-salary years, with his base pay of $4.75 million in 2009 shooting to $8.05 million in 2010.  Next year, his salary moves to $11.6 million per year, and it stays there through 2014.  In 2015, his base pay inches to $12.1 million.

Bottom line?  With no salary cap in place, the Steelers need not worry about financial ramifications associated with trading or cutting Roethlisberger.  And with more than $54 million to be paid to him in salary over the next five years, the Steelers need to be sure that he deserves the money — and that they still want to give it to him.

Right now, they’re probably having serious doubts about whether he’s the long-term answer at the most important position on the team.

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  1. DonTerrelli says: Mar 11, 2010 9:41 AM

    This could cause civil upheaval in Pittsburgh.

  2. Chapnasty2 says: Mar 11, 2010 9:41 AM

    Ok Mike, I hate Rapistburger as much as any non-Steeler fan but this story seems like speculation. Of course he met with his boss after something like this, who wouldn’t? I highly, HIGHLY doubt that they will let him go unless he is proven guilty of rape and does jail time and to be honest that is the only time he should be let go. Civil cases have no baring on the average person’s job standing so why the hell should it on an NFL palyer’s? Now again, if he is indeed convicted of a crime then he should be let go and/or suspended. Unless his name becomes Vick and then he will get another chance.

  3. Heinekenfun says: Mar 11, 2010 9:41 AM

    It’s rumored that at the conclusion of his meeting w/ the Ownership that one of the Rooney’s called out to him as he was leaving and said “try not to rape anyone on the way out”. Seems like Rapelisberger is quickly wearing out his welcome in the Steel City.

  4. Good Lord No says: Mar 11, 2010 9:41 AM

    Good for the Steelers to come right out and convict Roethlisberger w/out a trial. Why pussy-foot around? Just cut him now to say some money.

  5. Sigildark says: Mar 11, 2010 9:42 AM

    Big Ben, high end call girls. Do it.

  6. WP says: Mar 11, 2010 9:43 AM

    Send him to play in Antartica…he can grope the Penquins there.

  7. FinFan says: Mar 11, 2010 9:43 AM

    He’s a white ‘pacman jones’

  8. nflisking says: Mar 11, 2010 9:44 AM

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bum!

  9. HarrisonHits says: Mar 11, 2010 9:44 AM

    Dump him now Steelers, you’ll be sorry if you don’t. It seems likely the string of stupid incidents will continue, and once the cap is back in place cutting him in one of those high dollar years is really going to hurt.

  10. Maze Solo says: Mar 11, 2010 9:45 AM

    I love how Tomlin called out Holmes after the WR was busted smoking grass. Tomlin said, “my only rule with the players is don’t be that guy.” Yet it’s HIS guy, the douchey start QB, who won’t stop being that guy right under Tomlin’s watch.
    What’s Tomlin said about this?

  11. Rafterman says: Mar 11, 2010 9:46 AM

    Stupid is as stupid does. Time for Ben to wake the F up and smell the coffee. Yes, he’s important to the team, but I’m sure the Rooney’s are losing their patience with him.

  12. ppdoc13 says: Mar 11, 2010 9:46 AM

    He is a TURD. This guy is just not a good person. He likely has an alcohol problem and very likely has a problem dealing with women. He is a TURD.

  13. sinned says: Mar 11, 2010 9:46 AM

    it’s not long before he brings down that whole team get rid of his ass to seattle for the 6th pick or washington for the 4th

  14. Deminutah says: Mar 11, 2010 9:46 AM

    I am soooo tired of this crap, I should be excited as hell for the draft, but noooo, Ben Dipsh*Tburger has to get his game on. I am about ready for the Dennis Dixon experiment, draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd and let the baby huey go.

  15. rjaxx says: Mar 11, 2010 9:46 AM

    trade him to denver for Marshall…..
    just messing around…. no need for vulgar replies.

  16. drumbug71 says: Mar 11, 2010 9:48 AM

    As a die-hard Steelers fan, I wouldn’t be upset if they cut Big Ben right now. He has been awesome as our QB and, arguably, saved the franchise and reenergized the fanbase with the two Superbowls and being the next real franchise QB after Bradshaw.
    But the Steelers name is more important than any player. When his ego started to get out of control (assuming the allegations of assault and rudeness to fans is true), that’s when he started to lose the public.
    I’ve tried to support Ben through everything — the motorcycle accident, the first assault charge, the second assault charge, and the countless claims that he is rude to fans — but in all honesty, by all accounts it appears that he’s becoming too big for his britches.
    I’m tired of people associating the Pittsburgh Steelers with “Ben Rapistberger” or any other name they can come up with. He is tarnishing the finish on our six Lombardi trophies.
    I’d like to see what we have in Dennis Dixon.
    PS Thanks for pointing out the annual salaries. That shed a whole new light on the situation.

  17. Tim's_Mom says: Mar 11, 2010 9:49 AM

    I think you’re reaching with this one, Florio. Big Ben’s the first QB they’ve had since Bradshaw.
    He’s not going anywhere…..

  18. frox says: Mar 11, 2010 9:49 AM

    I sometimes wonder if Florio wakes up in the AM and thinks of ways to top himself. There is no way on god’s green earth the Steelers are dealing or cutting Ben at this point. If they did, I might actually have to root for them because it would be the first time a team actually put principals ahead of winning. Remember, for all the talk about what saints the Rooneys are, these are the same guys that essentially said “Jimmy” Harrison’s baby’s mama deserved it when he smacked her. For those who don’t reall, this is what he said:
    “What Jimmy Harrison was doing and how the incident occurred, what he was trying to do was really well worth it. He was doing something that was good, wanted to take his son to get baptized where he lived and things like that. She said she didn’t want to do it.”
    Love him or hate him, the Steelers have no chance without Roethlisberger. He is the franchise. You can say all you want about the Cowboys, Bengals, or any other team being full of criminals but the bottom line is all these teams are trying to win and they put that ahead of everything else. Are they happy with Ben right now? Hell no. Are they going to cut him or trade hime? Give me a break.

  19. The Real Shuxion says: Mar 11, 2010 9:49 AM

    Big Ben could be down to his last chance in Pittsburgh
    ————————————————-
    Based on what?……….oh yeah, that.

  20. FalconDevil says: Mar 11, 2010 9:51 AM

    Send him to the Raiders as punishment!!!

  21. Matts13 says: Mar 11, 2010 9:51 AM

    If you don’t think Big Ben has 10 chances you are high. If you are one of the best QB’s in the league it is more like 10 strikes and you are out.

  22. DoctorK says: Mar 11, 2010 9:51 AM

    There are a lot of good, young QBs out there.
    The Rooneys should ut their losses now. This offense doesn’t need a guy who holds onto the ball too long anyway.

  23. 4ever19 says: Mar 11, 2010 9:51 AM

    Unless he is convicted, I can’t see the Steelers dumping him. Talent will out and he still has that. However, such an action could make him a little more humble. OK, maybe not.

  24. Audient says: Mar 11, 2010 9:52 AM

    I am a Browns fan so anything I say will be called biased. But here goes:
    The Rooneys have run a class organization in Pittsburgh. They build teams and play football in Pittsburgh the way football ought to be played. I love rooting against the Steelers, in part, because they are such a worthy adversary. (I wish the same could be said about my Browns, and now sooner rather than later, I think it will be that way again.)
    A lot of NFL teams will look past the off-the-field transgressions of their players, and I think less of those teams for doing so. I do think a man can reform and be redeemed. Roethlisburger is nowhere near reformation or redemption. I don’t think he even appreciates that there is something wrong with him. He probably needs to take a fall, a serious fall, a fall of Vick-like proportion, before he it should ever be considered whether he is worthy of another chance.
    That’s a tough choice to make on some levels — this guy was your QB in two championships. But in a way, it isn’t so tough: this guy is a pig, a walking PR disaster — even if he’s not guilty. He’s won for you, yes, but this is what he does for you now.
    The Rooneys are old school NFL. They appreciate that some things are bigger than the game. The Steelers are great evaluators of talent — they can cut him, replace him, and not break their stride. And they should.

  25. Deb says: Mar 11, 2010 9:53 AM

    You have to wonder if his agent was aware that he was still hitting clubs targeting college students, buying rounds for sorority girls, and living the frat life … and why he didn’t impress upon Ben that the $102 million face of an NFL franchise can’t live the life of a debauched Peter Pan. As an adult, Roethlisberger is responsible for himself, but as his fortunes go, so go a large chunk of his agent’s. Maybe his agent and civil attorney shouldn’t have taken for granted that he knew how to keep himself out of trouble with the Nevada case pending.
    Maybe Warner’s new calling could be conducting a clinic for appropriate QB behavior.

  26. notlisteninganymore says: Mar 11, 2010 9:53 AM

    Florio, in the event he is found “not guilty” or settles out of court and the Steelers cut him loose do they expose themselves to a “wrongful termination” suit.
    I have seen this play out in the corporate world where a chronic sexual harasser was able to maintain his job because the company could not meet the “burden of proof” and feared that he would sue for “wrongful termination.”
    My apologies to th0se who are appalled I would use this forum for meaningful dialogue.

  27. DB26 says: Mar 11, 2010 9:53 AM

    As much as it sounds like a move that would hurt the Steelers in a big way, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least for this incident to be the last and him be cut before the draft. Though a Browns fan that hates the Stoolers, the Rooney’s are huge on a persons character and how that persons character reflects on their franchise. These continued accusations, true or not, hurt the face of their franchise. They all point at one person, which is Ben. Regardless of his guilt or innocense, the guy ignorantly continues to put his night life in front of his career and putting himself in situations leaving him open to these types of instances. His continued bad judgement has put his career in jeopardy, which is sad to see for himself, his team and teammates, as well as the league.

  28. Krow says: Mar 11, 2010 9:54 AM

    Just because a person is a top level athlete doesn’t mean they can’t be scum. It will be quite revealing to see how the Steelers handle this sexual predator. I’m sure there are any number of low-character teams that would have no problems with the guy (looking at you Eagles and Raiders). A package of picks might persuade an old-line, image-conscious organization like Pittsburgh to send this criminal to a team where those sort of concerns don’t matter.

  29. RockChalkJ says: Mar 11, 2010 9:54 AM

    Yeah he’s not going anywhere.

  30. KnuckleBucket says: Mar 11, 2010 9:55 AM

    I know that he’s innocent until proven guilty but after the last incident don’t you think he would do all he could to keep himself clear of another compromising situation. He’s either a complete idiot, arrogant prick, or a rapist. Either way, it doesn’t look good for the Steelers.

  31. racingwis says: Mar 11, 2010 9:55 AM

    Your such a dbag. They arn’t going to get rid of Ben. Made of crap all the time.

  32. foremania says: Mar 11, 2010 9:55 AM

    I think it’s an overstatement to say that management is having “serious doubts” about whether Ben is the long-term answer.
    They likely ARE having serious doubts about his character off the field, but that’s a far cry from considering getting rid of the guy. The fact remains that he has already been a part of two Super Bowl wins and broken most of the team’s passing records before the age of 30.
    QB is the one position the team never has to worry about addressing in the offseason so long as he’s on the team. Franchise QBs don’t come along every day or even every year.

  33. jallen69 says: Mar 11, 2010 9:56 AM

    “the Rooneys are sufficiently “dismayed” with the situation to cause some in the building to believe that another incident could result in the end of Ben’s career in Pittsburgh.”
    Another Incident?
    So they will give him one more chance? Or are they saying this was the last chance?

  34. joe6606 says: Mar 11, 2010 9:56 AM

    give me a break. It took the Steelers 25 years to finally get a good QB after Bradshaw.
    Unless he actually gets convicted, they would be damn fools to cut him.
    The McNutty civil case is a complete $$ grab. She’s certifiably nuts and anyone with 1/2 brain cell knows this.
    Here, so what, he stuck his hands down her pants and then she gets upset, while illegally drunk?
    Every team in the league would JUMP all over him. No way in hell he’s getting cut unless he’s forced into jail time

  35. nobodybeatsdawiz says: Mar 11, 2010 9:56 AM

    if l. little can play for many years after killing a human being….

  36. Ollie says: Mar 11, 2010 9:57 AM

    I think the Steelers should suspend him for the first four games, even if he is not convicted, but for his continued poor judgment. This would give them a chance to see if Dennis Dixon is good enough to be a starter. It would also send a strong message to Big Ben. Why would any respectable person be wearing a big Devil on his shirt. Is he trying to project a bad boy image?

  37. Nevisyakker says: Mar 11, 2010 9:58 AM

    Unfortunately, without him they would need to get in line along with 20+ other NFL teams looking for that franchise QB.
    It is proven virtually every year that the right QB is the single most important ingredient to being competitive for a championship in the NFL.
    If this weren’t true, and if the Rooneys weren’t completely aware of it, they would have dumped this idiot long before this.
    QUESTION: What is more important–winning or being honorable & classy within the league and your own community.
    It is a question several teams struggle with as they figure out how much garbage they are willing to put up with as they pay the perps millions.

  38. mike_311 says: Mar 11, 2010 9:58 AM

    so far it looks like the giants took the best in that draft…

  39. jerkstore says: Mar 11, 2010 9:58 AM

    It’s Tebow time in Pittsburgh! Oh crap….It might be Tebow time in Pittsburgh.

  40. KingGator13 says: Mar 11, 2010 9:59 AM

    With that kind of $ why is he picking up co-eds in Nowheresville, GA at the Sip N Suck to get busy in a bathroom…. clearly not the smartest guy out there. ish, at least Kobe was the Ritz Carlton!

  41. rea725 says: Mar 11, 2010 9:59 AM

    NOT a Steeler fan, but for the sake of the potential victim & the sport, let’s hope this whole thing is not as bad as it looks.
    Regardless, Ben clearly needs to start thinking with the big Fat Head…the one located on top of his shoulders. I feel bad for his family for having to be embarrassed by this nonsense.

  42. BenRapistberger says: Mar 11, 2010 10:00 AM

    Hey Florio, stop giving them ideas. I need this money so that I can keep using it to put myself in situations where I look like a complete moron.
    How am I supposed to pay for TV repairs without a job?

  43. Hap says: Mar 11, 2010 10:00 AM

    He went 9-22 with 3 INTs in his 1st SB win and 21-30 with equal INT/TD ratios. Yeah, he’s worth 100 mil plus. NOT. O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D.

  44. joe6606 says: Mar 11, 2010 10:00 AM

    Out here in Philly, Ben has been getting reamed on the sports talk shows…but you KNOW that if Ben were cut, the Eagles would be 1st in line to bring him in…irony

  45. winslow says: Mar 11, 2010 10:00 AM

    The Steelers will not tolerate their players committing more than two sexual assaults.
    It is good to know that they have standards.

  46. Florio-is-a-tool says: Mar 11, 2010 10:01 AM

    The world is not a better place with Rothlisberger in it. It’s no one’s fault but his.

  47. ks12 says: Mar 11, 2010 10:01 AM

    The question on my mind at this point is how desperate is this guy? He is rich, famous and talented, yet he still feels the need to have “sexual contact” with random college girls on a Thursday night? Do you ever hear of any other QBs in the league engaging in such behaviour? At least Mark Sanchez has the good sense to hit on famous girls like Kristin Cavallari; not any more classy, but at least she isn’t going to accuse him of sexual assault as some kind of extortion attempt (if that is what happened). He either needs to get a girlfriend, keep in his pants around the co-eds or find a new line of work. But he can’t keep being so reckless and expect to still have a good name at the end of the day.

  48. kpweaver27 says: Mar 11, 2010 10:02 AM

    Classless organization, classless player. Seems like a good match.

  49. Mean D says: Mar 11, 2010 10:02 AM

    Pig Ben is innocent in Nevada. He is guilty in Georgia. If he doesn’t buy her off quick he will get at least a suspension. Then 2 faced Rooney can make excuses because if it were any other team he would be calling for his head.

  50. City Of Champions says: Mar 11, 2010 10:03 AM

    You should put a link in the story that goes back to the “QB controversy” between Ben and Dixon. Moron

  51. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says: Mar 11, 2010 10:03 AM

    I am by no means a Steeler fan, but I respect the city, the fan base, and the tradition. I even flew a terrible towel on my MRAP in Afghanistan because I was outranked by a Steeler fan. Guilty or not, Ben has completely disrespected all the things that undeniably make the Steelers one of, if not ARGUABLY the premier franchise in league history. Guys like Jack Lambert, Joe Greene, Terry Bradshaw, Jerome Bettis, and on and on and on worked hard to bring so much prestige to the franchise and he has unequivocally failed in carrying on the tradition set forth by such great players. Steeler fans should be completely pissed of with him.

  52. ArtModellsPimp says: Mar 11, 2010 10:03 AM

    Expensive piece of ass. How dumb can one person be?

  53. Jayprime says: Mar 11, 2010 10:04 AM

    Big Ben is an idiot after the first one I would be a hermit! Maybe he should of had the Tv crew Cops following him to accompany his Police and Trooper friends. Only then would we all know what happened. I would like to see the footage of how she fell on her head.

  54. i'm president charlie! says: Mar 11, 2010 10:04 AM

    Do you expect the Rooneys to be happy about this situation?
    Did someone come out and say that this is Ben’s last chance or are you just insinutating?
    Ben needs a baby sitter or nuetered.

  55. Laxer37 says: Mar 11, 2010 10:05 AM

    Based on the vast majority of callers to Pittsburgh sports radio shows it’s clear Steeler fans want him out if it’s proven there was anything even close to criminal behavior.
    The problem is this won’t even go to court until after the 2010 season so what does the owner/league do in the meantime? Ben’s lawyers and the NFLPA will certainly cry foul if they suspend him before he gets his day in court.
    And before you compare this to Mike Vick understand that lying to the Feds and directly to the commissioners face is a whole different ballgame.

  56. slipkid says: Mar 11, 2010 10:05 AM

    why does he get another chance if there is fire with the smoke this time?

  57. Rodzilla says: Mar 11, 2010 10:06 AM

    it would take much more then just a couple loose accusations for the Steelers to give up on their franchise quarterback, nice try Florio

  58. mj23thegoat says: Mar 11, 2010 10:06 AM

    they need to draft a QB 1st round

  59. Ramblebrook says: Mar 11, 2010 10:06 AM

    Wow. What a turn of events. I wish the Steelers didn’t have a young back-up with so much upside.

  60. BillsFan27 says: Mar 11, 2010 10:07 AM

    You mean a team actually wouldn’t want a potential sexual predator as the face of the franchise?

  61. wryly1 says: Mar 11, 2010 10:08 AM

    I’m sure his lawyers are thrilled he has that huge income.

  62. Phokus says: Mar 11, 2010 10:10 AM

    Ben doesn’t need to worry, with the Rooney’s history of letting star players get away with wrongdoing while cutting mediocre players who do the exact same thing, Ben just needs to keep his level of play up and he’ll be able to sexually assault other women on the Rooney’s dime without repercussion.

  63. ChiJintsFan says: Mar 11, 2010 10:13 AM

    Bottom line: he has no class or respect for others. His behavior is proving that he does not respect the word ‘no’ and has a sense of entitlement. Unless he makes some major personality adjustments, he is on a straight line path to a major problem- or maybe last week in Georgia was the end of the Big Ben era as we knew it.

  64. Richm2256 says: Mar 11, 2010 10:14 AM

    Here’s the bottom line on Roethlisberger:
    Even if (and this is a HUGE “if”) that girl gave consent in front of 30 people to have sex in a filthy rest room, Roethlisberger is a complete and utter idiot for putting himself in the position of being accused of sexual assault for the second time in eight months.
    Stop and think about this: a 28 year old man is chasing young college girls, admits to meeting a 20 year old student, and driving this underage girl to 3 different bars and buying her drinks, while wearing a “devil” T shirt that a 17 year old adolescent might wear, sucking up the adoration of roomsful of college kids for the “big man on campus”. And then this 28 year old man decides it’s a good idea to have “consensual sex” with this drunk underage co-ed in a filthy ladies room.
    Real mature, huh?
    Add to this that the 28 year old man is a 2 time Super Bowl winning veteran NFL quarterback, and it gets even creepier.
    Add to that this is a man 8 months past a previous “false” accusation of sexual asault, and you get a picture of a man without an ounce of judgment or common sense in his head.
    People want to say “he’s a grown man, is he never supposed to step foot in a bar if he wants to?”. Yes, that’s EXACTLY what any guy with half a clue would do. Stay the hell away from ANY situation that might remotely possibly lead to a SECOND accusation of assault. Do you see Ray Lewis being questioned about being invoilved in a SECOND murder investigation?
    This guy is the wrong person to represent the Pitsburgh Steelers, the NFL, or professional football players period. Even IF she gave her consent, even IF she is a “goldigger”, she was a 20 year old girl plied with liquor by a 28 year old man with a past history involving sexual assault charges.
    A person accused of pyromania once before, shouldn’t be caught dead holding another book of matches, regardless of why he has them or what he was doing with them. Roethlisberger is a criminal predator at worst, and an incdredibly stupid person at best.

  65. SaintsBucsPanthersSUKK 2.0OH! says: Mar 11, 2010 10:18 AM

    My sister woke up screaming this morning. She was having a dream that she was walking down an alley and Big Ben was right behind her.

  66. BlueEyeDevils says: Mar 11, 2010 10:18 AM

    - Tom Cable
    – Matt Jones
    – Big Ben
    The Commissioner won’t do a damn thing unless your names is Mike Vick or Pacman………….
    Straight up two sets of rules, depending on your skin tone.

  67. drumbug71 says: Mar 11, 2010 10:21 AM

    Audient — I can’t tell you how much respect I have for you, making that statement as a Browns fan. I think that was the first comment from a Browns’ fan that I’ve read on this site since Ben was in the headlines that didn’t say “Rapistberger” or “Rapelisburger” in it :)
    Dr. Kenneth Noisewater — thanks for toting the Terrible Towel. We ARE pissed at him.

  68. r8rsfan says: Mar 11, 2010 10:23 AM

    Winning fixes everything. If the Steelers come out of the gate and put together some wins all will be forgotten.

  69. UckTheFeagles says: Mar 11, 2010 10:27 AM

    Reminds me of that old joke…Why did the chicken cross the road? Because Roethlisberger was trying to rape it.

  70. Kevin from Philly says: Mar 11, 2010 10:30 AM

    If this was Joe Namath fourty years ago, they’d be talking about what a ladies man he was. Just shows how times have changed.

  71. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Mar 11, 2010 10:31 AM

    I doubt the Steelers cut him loose unless he’s found guilty. I agree with the comment that said the Steelers should suspend him for a game or two, they would if he was a 3rd string corner, but they won’t.
    @joe6606
    All he did was put his hand down her pants and she gets upset?? I believe that’s what they refer to as “sexual assault”, but I don’t work for Webster’s, so I might have to check. She may have been illegally drunk, but what are the chances Pig Ben (I like that more than Rapistberger, etc. since he didn’t actually rape anyone, but is indeed a pig) was buying her drinks? Can anyone guess what that’s called?
    @ Mike3_11
    The giants drafted Rivers.

  72. Playmaker's Dealer says: Mar 11, 2010 10:31 AM

    Has Tomlin said anything about either incident?

  73. BasicInstinct says: Mar 11, 2010 10:34 AM

    And the girl had a fake ID, and was drunk.

  74. jimmySee says: Mar 11, 2010 10:35 AM

    Big Ben to Raiders for 2010, 2011, 2012 first round picks?

  75. if yer not first... says: Mar 11, 2010 10:36 AM

    We’ve been picking up indications of strong disapproval within the Rooney family regarding this latest charge of sexual assault,
    That’s some mighty strong intuition you’ve all got there – I live down here in Bengal-land and all this time I really thought the Rooneys were pro quarterbacks who sexually assault. I really thought it was part of the bonus package. Thanks for clearing that up.
    Jesus.

  76. Reggie'sBush says: Mar 11, 2010 10:38 AM

    Anyone knows if Dungy has a reverse Rooney Rule?

  77. WP says: Mar 11, 2010 10:38 AM

    The Rooneys need to send a message to him…trade him for Vick.

  78. JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoooo says: Mar 11, 2010 10:39 AM

    so what’s the difference between salary and the amount of salary cap a player contributes with their contract? just wondering.

  79. Ollie says: Mar 11, 2010 10:39 AM

    Cedrick Wilson – domestic abuse
    James Harrison – domestic abuse
    Najeh Davenport – Sh—–g in a womans closet
    Santonio Holmes – disorderly conduct, domestic violence, pot
    Jeff Reed – drunken and destroying property (twice)
    Others in the past Ernie Homes, Carlton Haselrig, Bam Morris, Joey Porter.
    Yes the Rooneys are good people, but the Steelers are not as sqeaky clean as some have made them out to be.

  80. yourluckyday says: Mar 11, 2010 10:41 AM

    maybe the steelers should draft Tebow to mentor Big Ben.

  81. paladinfes says: Mar 11, 2010 10:42 AM

    I have read the posts about Ben, as well as the readers’ comments, and have a few comments of my own.
    1. Let’s not be quick to judge; remember the Duke Lacrosse incident?
    2. Victims’ names are not made public because it is believed that women would hesitate reporting alleged incidents to authorities while the accused names’ are made public. Is this fair? I don’t know. BUT, I do believe that if the allegations are dropped or the accused is acquitted THEN the victim’s name should be made public.
    3. I have daughters. When they were old enough to understand, I spoke to them about “female survival skills;” things such as not placing themselves in situations that may cause problems, i.e., do not visit a biker bar. I think the same advice holds true for males.
    4. Right or wrong, it is the female who sets the limits of a physical encounter. If she is uncomfortable, she should make her position clear. The courts have ruled that she can change her mind until penetration occurs. The male must respect her decision.
    No one deserves to be sexually assaulted.
    No one deserves to be falsely accused.

  82. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 11, 2010 10:42 AM

    Where’s the article that Ben’s competitive “juices” are diluted by the fact that he keeps spraying them on and in unwilling participants?

  83. bspurloc says: Mar 11, 2010 10:42 AM

    This dude has some serious issues……
    BUT it is just girls he is doing it too, just ignore it..
    they probably deserved anyway… right?
    I mean it isn’t like he punched a coach broke his jaw then goes home to beat his wives… it’s just bar whores….eh?

  84. redsysu says: Mar 11, 2010 10:44 AM

    I have never seen so many “articles” on one guy… I guess it’s another slow day at PFT….

  85. ampats says: Mar 11, 2010 10:46 AM

    Looks like everyone is jumping out of the boat.
    Many different tunes from yesterday to today from the Steelers faithful.
    Where is Frank Burns???? Are you hiding under a rock?
    Man up and admit you were WRONG

  86. PinesRob says: Mar 11, 2010 10:48 AM

    hes white he wont be in any trouble..Community hours at worst

  87. Steeler4life says: Mar 11, 2010 10:49 AM

    @Ollie,
    No team can control the individuals within the organization. All they can control is how they handle the situation. If this article is true which I suspect it is. It shows the class of the organization. Unlike the Bungles and Baltimorons, who make it a practice to recruit scum. I guess the Ravens are just a microcosm of their city.

  88. toe-to-toe bird law says: Mar 11, 2010 10:49 AM

    To all those who are waving the “innocent until proven guilty” banner: Whether or not he is actually charged and convicted of a crime, he’s made some terribly poor decisions. Ben, along with guys like Pacman Jones, Chris Henry, Mike Vick and Marshawn Lynch traditionally invoked the “wrong place at the wrong time” defense in response to their association with crimes or accusations. It’s not merely coincidental that trouble seems to have followed these players around. Responsible players in those positions don’t find ways to risk their careers by constantly inviting seedy characters into their lives or voluntarily entering questionable situations on a regular basis. Big Ben’s short career can be measured as follows:
    2 Super Bowl Wins Vs. 1 Life threatening motorcycle accident and 2 accusations of misconduct
    The Rooneys would be justified in considering cutting ties with him.

  89. kdog says: Mar 11, 2010 10:50 AM

    Best scenario for Steelers is that Ben is cleared of criminal charges and then they could trade him. Many teams would take a chance on him and would give up alot of value to get him.

  90. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 11, 2010 10:56 AM

    “If this article is true which I suspect it is. It shows the class of the organization.”
    So what does the salary cap cheating show?

  91. anjelmanning says: Mar 11, 2010 10:58 AM

    Why do some people respond to Florio as if it matters to him what you say? Lol. “Yeah Right Florio.” “Doubt it florio,” “Come on Florio.” – Quit acting like you know the man and reply to the topic, not Florio, dooshes. Anyway, Big Ben’s career is spinning out of control fast. I think it’s funny and sad how ESPN(Mike & Mike) is trying give Ben the benefit of the doubt and continue to stick up for him. Dude is no better than PacMan was. Only difference is, Ben has better taste.

  92. Spoonthis says: Mar 11, 2010 11:00 AM

    I love how everyone refers to “all” of these incidents. 1. The motorcycle accident that some dumb bitch turned in front of him when he had the right of way. 2. The alleged rape accusation from a woman who sent an email stating that she was planning on sleeping with him and was going to become Mrs. Roethlisberger (still no criminal charges filed). 3. The latest charge which includes sexual assault – not rape. Let’s hear the jury’s verdict before we assume he’s guilty.
    As for the morons who think Ben has a drinking problem, he was out on his 28th birthday. Last I checked that is a legal drinking age. Was the 20 year old girl drinking that night? Just curious because that would be illegal.
    And for the idiot that said “He probably should have stayed at school longer and matured a bit (well, a lot). ” He graduated you dumbass.

  93. DoctorK says: Mar 11, 2010 11:03 AM

    I think the Rooneys’ response to this issue will come on draft day, to a great extent. If it is as Florio hears, then perhaps you will hear of a trade or will see them draft a QB. And yes, Tebow would be a perfect replacement because as stated before, he is as big, as strong, has as good an arm, is a better runner, has more pocket prowess and simply put, is of better character than Ben.
    No organization is squeaky clean anymore, but this family still has some idea of what responsibility means. That said, I wouldn’t look for any cut or trade to come unless some deal is worked out or some ugly truth is let loose. No way that the Steelers are going to crucify someone in public fashion when so much is unknown.

  94. Ricky Hussle says: Mar 11, 2010 11:03 AM

    We’re taking a hardline on this one Ben. If you Rape even one more girl, your gonna be in big trouble Mr. Now go to your room right now!
    Seriously are you kidding me.

  95. ks12 says: Mar 11, 2010 11:03 AM

    Chapnasty2…granted civil cases don’t generally have that big an impact on most normal peoples lives. But Ben R. is not a normal person. He is the face of a multi-million dollar NFL franchise that is paying him millions a year to be a leader of their organization. When you sign your name on that dotted line, you sign away the rights a normal person has, that is your right to screw up and not be harshly reprimanded for it, as well as the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty, in the public eye anyway. The public will condemn you as they see fit; that’s the way it is. And the Rooney’s have to be aware of their image because if the fans turn on the franchise, that puts them up the river without a paddle. I would not judge them if they cut him, even if he isn’t charged.

  96. warrick1005 says: Mar 11, 2010 11:04 AM

    if he gets cut there will be a line of teams waiting to sign him

  97. steelersquealer says: Mar 11, 2010 11:04 AM

    Boys will be boys. Ben will be back. Steelers FO will look the other way just like they did with roids in the 70’s. Your off field problems are only an issue if you suck.
    We love you Ben, no matter what. My Wheeling lady friends won’t turn you down.

  98. GoBrowns19 says: Mar 11, 2010 11:06 AM

    Even if the allegations are made up, it is proven that he was at a college bar in Georgia and did some sexual acts with a 20 year old girl.
    If I did that, people would call me irresponsible.
    A millionaire high profile athlete doing it is sad.

  99. It puts the lotion on the skin says: Mar 11, 2010 11:06 AM

    # jimmySee says: March 11, 2010 10:35 AM
    Big Ben to Raiders for 2010, 2011, 2012 first round picks?
    ________________________________
    The Raiders already traded their 2011 first rond pick to the Patriots for Richard Seymour…..

  100. Frank Burns says: Mar 11, 2010 11:07 AM

    # ppdoc13 says: March 11, 2010 9:46 AM
    He is a TURD. This guy is just not a good person. He likely has an alcohol problem and very likely has a problem dealing with women. He is a TURD.
    ———————————————-
    No, pp boy, his only prob is that he plays for someone else, specifically the team you hate most.
    You put up gladly with a guy on your own team who — unlike Ben — has actually BEEN CONVICTED of a major crime. You don’t scream and yell and call him nasty names. Who knows, you may even own his replica jersey. If you’re so concerned about someone not being a “good person” why don’t you speak out about your own guy? Oh I forgot, he plays for your team.
    Like I said, the hypocrisy here is appalling.
    Besides, you clowns still owe Roethlisberger one from the first accusation which has rapidly been shown to be full of more holes than a ton of Swiss cheese. Funny though, haven’t heard a peep from any of you “big men.”

  101. 8man says: Mar 11, 2010 11:07 AM

    No charges yet. This could all be crap.
    Stupid? Maybe. Arrogant? likely. Irresponsible? Definitely.
    Have to keep waiting and see how this plays out.

  102. Reggie'sBush says: Mar 11, 2010 11:09 AM

    Stillerz says:
    March 11, 2010 10:45 AM
    HAHA every single person who has called him “Rapistburger” of “Pig Ben” and labeled him a “rapist” or a “piece of shit” would love for Ben to get released so he has a chance of joining your team. You will be the first people yelling sign-him! sign-him! Then, he will have just been falsly accused and is innocent until proven guilty.
    You hypocrit fans are hilarious. Ben isn’t going anywhere until he is sentenced to jail, no matter how bad the haters want it.
    ^^ I love the elitest jibber jabber from everyone on here, not just singling u out, “I bet my team is better than whoever is criticizing blah blah blah”
    Because of course I would drop Brees for Rapistburger… Pffffffff

  103. purpleguy says: Mar 11, 2010 11:12 AM

    You know, 99% of the other single NFL players seem to be able to go out to bars, meet women, and even get laid, without any claims of sexual assault. Hell, players from my team even did it on a frigging boat.

  104. tombrookshire says: Mar 11, 2010 11:14 AM

    Ruthlessberger is going nowhere. Think about it, there aren’t even 32 NFL caliber starting quarterbacks on the entire planet. Yes, he is a turd, but he will remain an employed and well-paid turd for as long as his talent lasts, or until he is imprisoned. Some guys actually require imprisonment to wake the hell up. He’s one of those guys who needs to push it to the edge just to see what it feels like, but he’s not very good at it.

  105. Frank Burns says: Mar 11, 2010 11:15 AM

    # ampats says: March 11, 2010 10:46 AM
    Looks like everyone is jumping out of the boat.
    Many different tunes from yesterday to today from the Steelers faithful.
    Where is Frank Burns???? Are you hiding under a rock?
    Man up and admit you were WRONG
    ————————————————–
    Uh, what exactly am I “wrong” about — has some jury verdict come in and I’ve missed it?
    Besides, nothing to be wrong about. Unlike the hater crowd, I’ve never claimed I know what happened that night. All I’ve ever said is let’s wait for the facts to come in before pronouncing a guy guilty — unlike you.
    And I’m still waiting for you to own up to your own QB’s history with women — and more to the point, how you, Mr. “Concerned Daddy with Daughters” would feel if some guy got your daughter pregnant, then dumped her for some supermodel instead of marrying her and taking responsibility. You never answered that one, Mr. Sensitive Guy.

  106. Steeler4life says: Mar 11, 2010 11:15 AM

    .VoxVeritas says:
    March 11, 2010 10:42 AM
    Where’s the article that Ben’s competitive “juices” are diluted by the fact that he keeps spraying them on and in unwilling participants?
    ________________________________
    This coming from a Cowboy fan. Should I go down the Cowboy Hall of Shame? Here is a short list.
    Bob Hayes
    Hollywood Henderson
    Nate Newton
    Pacman Jones
    Leon Lett
    Mike Irvin
    Vox – Stay out of this along with all knockoff Browns (Ravens) fans

  107. TheBottomLine says: Mar 11, 2010 11:18 AM

    lol at the Dennis Dixon comments
    Dixon = Kordell Steward 2.0

  108. Ollie says: Mar 11, 2010 11:18 AM

    @Steeler4life
    Just stating facts. I am a die hard Steeler fan. And I agree with you 100%.

  109. Mr.MondayNight says: Mar 11, 2010 11:19 AM

    stop reading stupid Florio’s bull, read the facts from NFL.com. Three confirmed people were with him that night Willie Colon and, yes, two Police Officers/Body Guards, who were completely sober and tailing Ben throughout the night. They said nothing criminally happened and entail did confirm the reports that the girl slipped and fell while Big Ben was in contact with her.
    Big Ben, I admit is an idiot of a human being, but, i doubt hes so stupid to have sexually assaulted this girl inside a club with everyone watching. And if so, do you guys never think of these women who are actually thinking, wow its Ben Roethlisberger, let’s try and extort his money. The last girl did it, had consensual relations with him, was all giddy to her friends about it, then sued him… The friend came out and told officials that the girl was admitting to having relations with him, then goes and sues him.
    He’s not smart in the women aspect, but lets not jump to speculations again. He probably has terrible wheels

  110. last starfighter says: Mar 11, 2010 11:19 AM

    He just has the look of an enormous douche bag. Sometimes you can judge a book by its cover.
    just in case FOF happens to see this comment, I would like him to know that Favre wasn’t much better in the 90’s. He had a reputation to go out with Chamura and knock boots with ladies in the back rooms of bars. No one ever accused him of rape though so he still has that going for him.

  111. KaiserSoze says: Mar 11, 2010 11:23 AM

    # kpweaver27 says: March 11, 2010 10:02 AM
    Classless organization, classless player. Seems like a good match.”
    Classless organization?
    The Rooneys’ are probably the single most respected ownership group in the NFL, and for good reason.
    Believe this, if Roethlisberger is charged, must less convicted, the Rooney’s will cut his ass immediately.
    So far, there haven’t been any charges filed and ownership, and dismayed as they may be, they will stick by the guy until the facts are known.
    The team is more important than any one player, and that’s a concept lost of many other teams.
    Classless? you’ve obviously never heard of the New England Patriots or Spygate…

  112. snnyjcbs says: Mar 11, 2010 11:24 AM

    What a double standard. The Black QB is hung because he was messing with some Dogs. But you have a White QB that has been accused of multiple assaults on a women and young girl and it may be the clowns last chance with the Steelers, what a joke.

  113. JP says: Mar 11, 2010 11:24 AM

    If it’s true (and one of the reader comments here was the first I’ve heard of it, so it could be false) that Ben drove this girl around to 3 different bars buying her drinks, then…wow…

  114. BlueEyeDevils says: Mar 11, 2010 11:25 AM

    Laxer37 says:
    March 11, 2010 10:05 AM
    Based on the vast majority of callers to Pittsburgh sports radio shows it’s clear Steeler fans want him out if it’s proven there was anything even close to criminal behavior.
    The problem is this won’t even go to court until after the 2010 season so what does the owner/league do in the meantime? Ben’s lawyers and the NFLPA will certainly cry foul if they suspend him before he gets his day in court.
    And before you compare this to Mike Vick understand that lying to the Feds and directly to the commissioners face is a whole different ballgame.
    ———————————-
    He hasn’t lied to the commissioner because he hasn’t even spoken to the commissioner “YET”. I wonder why that is………….. hmmmmm
    Maybe because his name is not Mike Vick or Pacman……………
    You are right this is a different ball game, because Vick didn’t rape anybody…………
    Great point guy :)

  115. Reggie'sBush says: Mar 11, 2010 11:27 AM

    Stillerz says:
    March 11, 2010 10:45 AM
    HAHA every single person who has called him “Rapistburger” of “Pig Ben” and labeled him a “rapist” or a “piece of shit” would love for Ben to get released so he has a chance of joining your team. You will be the first people yelling sign-him! sign-him! Then, he will have just been falsly accused and is innocent until proven guilty.
    You hypocrit fans are hilarious. Ben isn’t going anywhere until he is sentenced to jail, no matter how bad the haters want it.
    ^^ I love the elitest jibber jabber from everyone on here, not just singling u out, “I bet my team is better than whoever is criticizing blah blah blah”
    Because of course I would drop Brees for Rapistburger… Pffffffff

  116. Jerbs7 says: Mar 11, 2010 11:27 AM

    If you’re a Steelers fan and you want to cut/trade Big Ben, you my friend are a complete jackass. Dixon wont win Super Bowls. You seriously have no football knowledge if you “want to see what Dixon has”. The guy has NOT been charged of anything. The “rapistberger” jokes dont work because as we stand right now, they aren’t true. He hasnt been charged of doing anything at this point. So far, he was out having fun with his friends in the middle of nowhere. They went to a bar sober and this chick is accusing him of sexual assault. Ben has done nothing wrong up to this point. IF convicted then I’ll be disgusted with him. As for now, he has done absolutely nothing. These stories about Ben are ammunition for Steelers haters for their jealousy towards Pittsburgh. Objectively speaking, anyone would trade their football teams history for the Steelers history. It’s the same reason why everyone hates the Yankees and Lakers, because at the end of the season they are usually around in contention for a title.

  117. southFLAsteel says: Mar 11, 2010 11:30 AM

    as a steeler fan, i am not happy at all with the two allegations against our franchise quarterback and face of the team. however, as a steeler fan, i will continue to support our franchise quarterback and face of the team until all the facts have come out and it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that ben did indeed commit these atrocious and horrific acts against these young women. at that point, i will have plenty of opinions and none of them will be good, nor supportive. i can not, in good conscience, rip players like pacman, matt jones, michael vick, and half the bengals roster, while supporting and cheering on someone who has done what ben has been accussed of doing. but at the same point and time, i can not blindly kick the guy to the curb, until i, and everyone else knows ALL the facts of this case. imagine how stupid most of you will feel if ben is proven innocent and the girls in question are only out for a quick buck. (course some won’t feel bad at all, from lack of a conscience, as you have become so accustom to hurling insults to hurt anyone and everyone you disagree with and hide behind the anonymity of your computer). speculation is great on a rumor mill blog, but it doesn’t quite work as well in the real world. two words for you: “duke lacrosse”.
    .

  118. pjkd55 says: Mar 11, 2010 11:33 AM

    I’m a huge Steeler fan and for me, the Steelers need to put a leash on this piece of s*&t. Concussionberger is an embarrassment to the organization and to the NFL. How can you keep putting yourself into these situations? This Steeler fan would like to the him get publicly blasted by the Rooney’s and be made an example of.

  119. tryagain says: Mar 11, 2010 11:36 AM

    @BlueEyeDevils says:
    – Matt Jones
    The Commissioner won’t do a damn thing unless your names is Mike Vick or Pacman………….
    Oh now BlueEye- are you really comparing Matt and his little snort issue with all the rest of these guys? I sometimes giggle or nod my head in agreement at your posts but seriously Matt and a little coke incident compared to Ben and possibly being a sexual deviant, Mike dog killer Vick, Pacman and his 25 issues, Tom Cable and his possible girlfriend beatings? I just think to make your posts more accurate and relevant you should probably take Matt’s name out of the equation since he did get suspended, pretty much blackballed by the league all last season and what he did wasn’t really in the same league as any of the other accusations.

  120. Richm2256 says: Mar 11, 2010 11:36 AM

    BasicInstinct says:
    And the girl had a fake ID, and was drunk.
    ————————————————-
    We know this as a fact???
    Even if it were true, that makes it OK for a 28 year old, NFL franchise QB and once-accused sexual assaulter to force himself on a 20 year old co-ed that he himself GOT drunk, in a lady’s room???
    Nice logic, moron.

  121. 4G63 says: Mar 11, 2010 11:36 AM

    The one good thing about all of this is that maybe, just MAYBE, Stooler fans will finally stop calling Ray Lewis a “Murderer” and see that sometimes it gets old hearing the same stupid FALSE sh*t about someone over and over again.
    Of course, that’s assuming that Big “Dummy” Ben is acquitted of any wrongdoing (not counting a civil trial). I have a feeling that even if he is acquitted the Rooney’s won’t let him go but suspend him for a few games….

  122. CapsLockKey says: Mar 11, 2010 11:37 AM

    This guy has become more of an offseason distraction to his team than Brett Favre has. Let’s see, dumbass motorcycle accident with no helmet, accused of rape, accused of rape. I bet Steeler fans can’t wait to see what he does next year. If I were the Rooney’s I’d cut my losses to avoid tarnishing the image of what has been a class organization. Dixon looked pretty damn good in Pig Ben’s absence.

  123. wydok says: Mar 11, 2010 11:38 AM

    But all he has to do is pay off the girl, right Florio?
    O.o

  124. dietrich43 says: Mar 11, 2010 11:38 AM

    If Ben is convicted of rape, getting released by the Steelers is the least of his worries.
    Maybe the Steelers should bring back that LB that was pimping girls to hook Ben up.

  125. i'm president charlie! says: Mar 11, 2010 11:40 AM

    Ben should be doing loads of charity work to improve his image. Maybe he should start hanging out w/ Crosby to clean up his image.

  126. kdog says: Mar 11, 2010 11:41 AM

    Trade: Roethlisberger to Seattle for Hasselbeck and the #6 overall pick. Hasselbeck has one year on his contract and could be a nice veteran stopgap til the #6 pick (Claussen or Bradford) steps in as a starter in 2011.
    It works out well for Ben cause he could chase women with Pete Carroll who would show him how it’s done. They could spend their off-season together in LA hanging with the USC coeds. It would be sort of a Yoda – Luke Skywalker relationship in that regard.

  127. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 11, 2010 11:44 AM

    “Classless? you’ve obviously never heard of the New England Patriots or Spygate…”
    You obviously didn’t hear about the Steelers cheating the salary cap.

  128. ronshanklin says: Mar 11, 2010 11:45 AM

    Paladinfes, great post. Except that I PREFER biker bars because they ARE safe. Another story for another time.
    It’s my understanding that Goodell does not have to wait for any arrest or court decision to sanction Big Ben.
    Steeler fan or not, I am sure everyone agrees that he is innocent of rape. I am sure everyone agrees in the most basic tenet of our legal system…innocent until proven guilty.
    I hear rumors she had fake ID was illegaly drinking. Is that why her family hired an attorney? And if the authorities are so hot on getting DNA…why? It was not rape…so what’s the use of DNA? Two of his friends are cops; did they try to stop him, or was there anything to stop? And I thought he was close to his dad and all of his family; did they see signs of this in him or not? Didn’t his father warn him about his ridiculous behavior and how much of a target he is?
    There are so many questions, rumors, innuendo, incorrect and unfair assumptions; the wind could blow so many different directions. The bottom line is that any way the wind blows, Ben will never be looked upon the same by anyone, from the Rooneys, to his family, to the media, to the non-Steeler fans, and to Pittsburgh, ever again.
    I myself don’t give a rat’s ass what people think of me. and I hate that saying, “Perception is everything.” But it’s true in his case….the pro is having not ever to have to worry about money the rest of your life, but that comes with a hefty price tag…a scrutinized personal life.
    TFB.

  129. ceetown22 says: Mar 11, 2010 11:45 AM

    Chapnasty2 says
    why don’t people understand that this is a RUMOR site…. I love the speculation on this site… I love reading the stories… These people are complete morons… you click on “rumor mill” to read the stories… how about we THINK before we post next time… THANKS
    btw – the Skins will take ‘em and need ‘em
    HAIL SKINS!

  130. .VoxVeritas says: Mar 11, 2010 11:45 AM

    “This coming from a Cowboy fan. Should I go down the Cowboy Hall of Shame? ”
    Sure, but it won’t make Rapenstein any less of a rapist or the Steelers any less of a cheating organization.

  131. kuhawks28 says: Mar 11, 2010 11:45 AM

    Fairweather fans, people playing the race card, and people telling poor, poor jokes…they all come to the surface so quickly these days!
    Here’s my take (which I think is far more accurate that most of you other people’s)
    Ben is a single guy and has put himself in situations where he could get into trouble.
    That’s really all we know for sure.
    Did he rape anyone? Did he “sexually assault” someone? Who knows? Maybe? Sexual assault can be me walking through a bar and accidentally brushing my “netherlands” against her turd cutter.
    He’s a single guy who has had two clear examples that his star status requires he changes his lifestyle, friend circle, and hangouts. That’s all.
    Anyone can throw stones, talk trash and call the guy an alcoholic, a buffoon or whatever, but until you’re in that position, we don’t really know for sure.
    It’s really none of any of our business. Zero. None.
    Can Ben still be a winning QB in the league? Yes
    Does he give the Steelers the best chance to win? He did last season. If his play declines or off field incidents cause you to question his ability to appear in games or be healthy to play, then he should be replaced.
    Business decisions need to be made that aren’t based on emotions.
    Motorcycle accident? Not a big deal. everyone has things like that happen
    Nevada girl thing – Consensual sex or rape: Most agree at this point it’s a shakedown for cash and it was consensual sex.
    Georgia girl thing – Bad luck. Put himself in bad situation and shouldn’t have been there.
    At the end of the day nothing has changed in the steelers organization and it shouldn’t until concrete evidence is produced saying he committed a crime.
    In short, find another post to complain about.

  132. Richm2256 says: Mar 11, 2010 11:46 AM

    Spoonthis says:
    ” He graduated you dumbass.”
    ————————————————-
    Don’t you think it’s about time he started ACTING like it?
    He’s 28, an NFL 2-time Super Bowl champion, and he’s celebrating his birthday by bringing an entourage including two cops to this sleepy college town, where he struts from frat bar to frat bar acting like the “Big Man On Campus” and picking up 20 year old co-eds that he gets plastered with drinks, and ends up thinking that having sex with her in a filthy rest room is a “cool” idea.
    THAT’S the guy who “graduated”????
    It’s people like you defending him that disgust me as much as he himself does.

  133. Big Stretch says: Mar 11, 2010 11:47 AM

    @ snnyjcbs says:
    March 11, 2010 11:24 AM
    What a double standard. The Black QB is hung because he was messing with some Dogs. But you have a White QB that has been accused of multiple assaults on a women and young girl and it may be the clowns last chance with the Steelers, what a joke.
    ————————————————
    The difference is Vick was found guilty of a crime. Are we now going to start finding people guilty because someone accuses them of a crime?
    All you people that have convicted him already are a bunch of jackasses.
    1. the motorcycle accident was the other drivers fault.
    2. The chick in Nevada has been outed as a gold digger.
    3. There has been no claim of RAPE, and furthermore no one knows what really happened until the truth comes out.
    Let me state again that I am not a Steelers fan, and in fact I hate them much in the same way I hate every other successful team in the NFL. Why? Because my team the Bills currently suck.
    But I am not so much of an asshole to convict a man because I don’t like what team he plays for.

  134. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Mar 11, 2010 11:47 AM

    “Ben’s lawyers and the NFLPA will certainly cry foul if they suspend him before he gets his day in court”
    ———————————————
    Is that the same day in court Goodell used for pacman, c. henry, etc.?

  135. Frank Burns says: Mar 11, 2010 11:49 AM

    Steeler4life says: March 11, 2010 11:15 AM
    This coming from a Cowboy fan. Should I go down the Cowboy Hall of Shame? Here is a short list.
    Bob Hayes
    Hollywood Henderson
    Nate Newton
    Pacman Jones
    Leon Lett
    Mike Irvin
    —————————————————
    You left out Duane Thomas.
    And probably about 50 other guys.

  136. tombrookshire says: Mar 11, 2010 11:55 AM

    Amidst all the comment and speculation, it has never come out exactly what happened that night. So, maybe it wasn’t as bad as it has been reported or maybe it is much worse, but what good does all the vitriol and venom do at this point?

  137. Subpar says: Mar 11, 2010 11:55 AM

    To the “cut him now hes not worth ruining the Steelers name” people…give me a break. The Rooneys run a great business, but thats how it’s treated. James Harrison is a thug. Rooney went on an interview and ok’ed beating his wife, “it was because he had a very strong opinion of if his son should be baptized or not, it’s behind him now”…..
    They won’t cut Ben because he fills seats and gets wins. It’s a business choice. Just like having Holmes or Harrison smoking grass and knocking his wife all over the ‘Burgh. Ben goes nowhere unless he is actually convicted of this.
    With that being said, and as much as I hate Ben (and I do), can’t blame a dude for going to a bar with his boys. He’s young and he’s a millionaire. For the “pacman did it” people, you seriously must not be able to read. Pacman punched a stripper then his boys started shooting the place up, paralyzing a human. What happened with Ben (if proven untrue, not saying she is lying), could happen to anyone. “Oh, hes a millionaire? I’m going to get him alone and cash out”. This dude can have just about any chick in Pittsburgh I doubt hes raping girls in a bathroom, but I could be wrong.

  138. faghag says: Mar 11, 2010 12:01 PM

    What is the likelyhood Ben could face a contributing to underage drinking charge?
    You lawyers out there, what is the typical defense’s approach to such a charge? With the facts known to date. Fake ID slips past bar scrutiny, they bear the brunt? Onus on the women for using a Fake ID and she should be cited?

  139. City Of Champions says: Mar 11, 2010 12:05 PM

    I don’t see them ever cutting him, ever. If something comes up and they can get a big trade QB, only way he leaves (even if charged). He is an ELITE QB and 25 other teams would love to have him.
    I don’t know why “Steelers” fans would want the Rooney’s to get rid of him, another 25+ years of average to above average football.
    I say that if you have 2 SB rings, you should be able to put your D1CK anywhere you want.

  140. if yer not first... says: Mar 11, 2010 12:09 PM

    Oh, yeah, – it’s been nearly a week shouldn’t we be hearing about what CAUSED his poor behavior? Cause BB is all about letting everybody know WHY he effed up (ie, thumb, ribs, concussion, concussion, concussion, spinal concussion (whatever the eff that is) or something else the coaches and trainers didn’t know anything about)
    Wonder what loser’s limp for being convicted of sexual assault looks like.

  141. if yer not first... says: Mar 11, 2010 12:15 PM

    I say that if you have 2 SB rings, you should be able to put your D1CK anywhere you want.
    how ’bout in your mouth.

  142. Deb says: Mar 11, 2010 12:20 PM

    City of Champions says …
    “I say that if you have 2 SB rings, you should be able to put your D1CK anywhere you want.”
    ——————————
    He can put it where he has permission to put it.
    Innocent or guilty, he couldn’t get that thing within 50 yards of me. Not every woman out there would be thrilled to bed a guy just because he’s won two Super Bowls or plays a professional sport.
    If he thinks like you, there may be more validity to this story than it seems.

  143. drumbug71 says: Mar 11, 2010 12:26 PM

    I dont get it. If Steelers fans dont come out and condemn Roethisberger, people say “Ha! Where are all the Steelers fans now? They’re pretty quiet now, arent they??”
    If they come out and say that Ben needs to face repercussions for his actions (or, at very least, his poor judgments) then people say “They’re fairweather fans.”
    I’m not sure how Steelers fans are supposed to react.

  144. Jack Acid says: Mar 11, 2010 12:31 PM

    Zero chance the Steelers ship Pig Ben without an indictment or conviction.
    However, Goodell should consider a suspension even without an arrest, just like he did to Pacman and other players who were never convicted.
    It’s bad PR with or without an arrest or jail time.

  145. lemmyk73 says: Mar 11, 2010 12:32 PM

    yes, ben is dumb but I missed where he has been convicted of ANY crime?
    He brought 2 rings to the team. He is not going anywhere short of being convicted of a crime.
    Ben will be in the HoF barring criminal charges so all the haters can suck it. Its sad that people actually want this girl to have been assaulted as some sick way of having a “gotcha” moment toward the Steelers.
    Lets be happy that this girl more than likely is ok and was not attacked yes?

  146. toppnach says: Mar 11, 2010 12:35 PM

    as a Bengals fan.. im happy to see this happen to to the steelers! after all the shit u gave us in 06 about our players, atleast they were just catchin weed charges and DUI’s, not sexual assault! Carson dosent have the rings but he is clean cut and married, no problems to be seen! Ben is a scumbag, and ive known that before he was a steeler!!!! i hope he gets atleast 5 years, u cant be an asshole ur whole life, karma is a bitch!

  147. hotchick says: Mar 11, 2010 12:39 PM

    Its amazing how many people do not understand what “down to his last chance” means.
    It does not mean cut him over this. It means cut him after the next thing.
    It means Millidgeville might have been the last issue he can get away with.
    And now that he has one all in with the claim he did not have intercourse with the accuser, if they find sperm inside her he is screwed.
    But also keep in mind you don’t need intercourse to commit sexual battery.
    OH
    Do we believe she simpy fell as he says?

  148. Hovenaut says: Mar 11, 2010 12:39 PM

    How’s Sidney Crosby’s arm?
    Should anything come of this matter legally, I recommend Ben not ride a bike to court.

  149. CE11 says: Mar 11, 2010 12:39 PM

    Sounds like the Steelers are drafting Tebow ahahahahhahaha

  150. covercorner7 says: Mar 11, 2010 12:42 PM

    Who will QB the Steelers if they get rid of him?

  151. stnmmc says: Mar 11, 2010 12:44 PM

    # DoctorK says: March 11, 2010 11:03 AM
    I think the Rooneys’ response to this issue will come on draft day, to a great extent. If it is as Florio hears, then perhaps you will hear of a trade or will see them draft a QB. And yes, Tebow would be a perfect replacement because as stated before, he is as big, as strong, has as good an arm, is a better runner, has more pocket prowess and simply put, is of better character than Ben.
    No organization is squeaky clean anymore, but this family still has some idea of what responsibility means. That said, I wouldn’t look for any cut or trade to come unless some deal is worked out or some ugly truth is let loose. No way that the Steelers are going to crucify someone in public fashion when so much is unknown.
    —————————————
    You and all of the others calling for a QB to be drafted as the future starter are not real Steeler fans. If you were you would be aware of DD and what he is going to bring in the future. The guy can flat out play, and was the obvious Heisman choice his senior year until ACL popped. If he was healthy that whole year your golden boy Tebow would not have won the Heisman.
    Tebow will not be a stud NFL QB.

  152. PayrollChamp says: Mar 11, 2010 12:45 PM

    I say let the man have his day in court. It seems like BS to me that not 2 months after his first charge he gets nailed with another one. Hes an NFL QB not a reciever (Michael Irvin) or Cornerback (Pacman Jones). Did Troy Aikman get in trouble like this? NO!!! QBs dont get in trouble like this. Unless your Daunte Culpepper.

  153. BlueEyeDevils says: Mar 11, 2010 12:52 PM

    Come on guys, give Big Ben a break!
    It’s not like they were dogs – they were just white women.

  154. CincyAllDaWay says: Mar 11, 2010 12:54 PM

    This just in from NFL Network…….
    Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger told Milledgeville, Ga., police and people in his party that he didn’t have intercourse with the 20-year-old woman who has accused him of sexual assault, Pittsburgh television station KDKA reported Wednesday.
    Authorities are still investigating the matter, and Roethlisberger hasn’t been charged. He’s cooperating with authorities, and police have said they expect to interview the quarterback again in the next several days. Police plan to take a DNA sample from Roethlisberger, but KDKA reported that the quarterback’s attorney, Ed Garland, hasn’t agreed to it.
    Garland has said Roethlisberger is innocent of any crime and that no sexual assault occurred.
    If this guy is clean and did not have sex with her then why not agree to the DNA test???? What’s he hiding??? The truth maybe………

  155. ShootahCowboy says: Mar 11, 2010 1:01 PM

    Ben Rothlesberger = Your starting QB for the Mean Machine!
    The Longest Yard 2009 – coming to your local theatre soon!

  156. SHACKFU says: Mar 11, 2010 1:07 PM

    @ notlisteninganymore says:
    March 11, 2010 9:53 AM
    Florio, in the event he is found “not guilty” or settles out of court and the Steelers cut him loose do they expose themselves to a “wrongful termination” suit.
    _________________________________–
    Different set of circumstances here. If they trade him it is not termination. They would be clear.
    I HATE THE STEELERS….but the voices of reason here are the ones who are saying that he isn’t going anywhere. Non salary capped year or not and all monetary considerations aside, Ben and his name that takes up two jerseys is way to valuable to the organization. He is still a top tier QB in the league.
    And let’s face it….at the end of the day are the Steelers really too classy to absorb this type of questionable character? ……rrrrriiiigggghhhht.

  157. danlinker says: Mar 11, 2010 1:10 PM

    Since it is florio saying it, I take it with a grain of salt, but it would be HILARIOUS if this guy blows it. This is great.

  158. Richm2256 says: Mar 11, 2010 1:10 PM

    City Of Champions says:
    I say that if you have 2 SB rings, you should be able to put your D1CK anywhere you want.
    ————————————————–
    Including your Mother, or your sister, then?
    You give morons a bad name.

  159. Brentwood34 says: Mar 11, 2010 1:11 PM

    There sure are a lot of people here who want to discard the US Constitution, bypass due process, and go straight to conviction. Too many are calling for a suspension now and a condemnation now, despite the ongoing process of evidence gathering.
    He has not been indicted yet, so to compare this to Michael Vick and to make it a racial thing is incorrect.
    Some people want him convicted now because he is white, some want him convicted now because he is a Steeler, others have their own reasons.
    If he is guilty it will be proven through the legal system and he will receive his punishment.
    At this time Ben Roethlisberger may or may not be a threat to society. Far worse than the actions of a criminal and with far worse and longer reaching ramifications on our society, is the person who willingly subverts or calls for the subversion of the US Constitution for his own satisfaction.
    I would hope that if any of you is ever in need of your Constitutional rights, that another motivated soul is not advocating that they be ignored in the name of bloodlust. Enough of that type of behavior and watching who is playing on Sunday will be a problem you only wish you still had.

  160. GovtMinion says: Mar 11, 2010 1:13 PM

    It’s worth pointing out, regarding the motorcycle incident, that while the other driver was at fault, he was the one not wearing a helmet or any other protective gear… that may not quite be on-par with rape, but it does show a history of reckless behavior and lack of any real forethought.

  161. Holeinone09 says: Mar 11, 2010 1:27 PM

    Florio, where is my post? I can’t tell you how many times I have posted something only to find it didn’t appear. Your system is unreliable. What is the problem?
    It was a long one, so I will have to summarize my main points:
    1. Steelers and Rooneys are a first class orgnanization. No franchise has been without problems with star players that they had to put up with and allowed them to play.
    2. Ben’s motorcyle accident is old tired news and has nothing to do with breaking any laws.
    3. Ben’s issue in Nevada is not a problem. He is not married and apparently had consensual sex behind closed doors in his hotel room with a woman who now seems to be an unstable golddigger from everything that has been reported in public. Case closed on that issue for me.
    4. This Georgia incident is different. Ben showed complete lack of judgment in allegedly having “sexual contact” in a women’s restroom. He can’t do that in his position, period. I however doubt it will ever be fully proven that he assaulted anybody unless there are witnesses. It will be he said-she said, unfortunately for everyone including him, so his reputation takes a hit even if he didn’t do anything terrible. It is his own fault. So far, not many facts are known, and basically nothing is known about the background of the girl.
    5. The morons who continue to use the word “rape” for either of these issues have no credibility and only want to make jokes. They are incapable of making any intelligent statements. They are only taking moronic delight in the Steelers suffering embarrassment, likely only because the Steelers have beat their teams so many times.
    6. Ben has caused tremendous embarrassment to the team and the Rooneys, and has damaged his personal reputation. If he was a second or third teamer he would be cut. But this is a business, and in any business the more important you are the more rope you get. If nothing more serious turns out in this matter, I could see him getting a second chance like so many other players (and people) have gotten, but could see the Rooneys (and NFL) suspending him, making him take counseling and do community service (maybe even for sexual assault victims), adding language to his contract that would enable payback of bonuses and salary if anything happens again, etc.
    Everyone deserves a second chance and that includes Ben, and it would be up to him to completely clean up his act. I would support this assuming nothing more serious comes out. Hopefully, Ben gets the message finally. He needs to grow up and act responsibly at all times.

  162. 65TossPowerTrap says: Mar 11, 2010 1:30 PM

    ROONEY: Look Ben, ONE MORE RAPE, and you are out of here! Got that?!
    BEN: Yes, sir. *sheepishly*
    ROONEY: Good. Now go play Xbox.

  163. trigzter says: Mar 11, 2010 1:34 PM

    why is it that every athlete that plays in pittsburgh is scum? the only respectable player is troy polamalu. no one likes sidney crosby, rothlisberger or the pirates except pittsburgh fans

  164. ampats says: Mar 11, 2010 1:35 PM

    Frank,
    What does Tom Brady have to do with this subject or from your previous posts its your way to deflect the truth and answer the question?
    But since you are a source of misinformation on this site I will dumb it down for you.
    It was announced that Tom Brady & Bridget Moynahan broke up in early December and he was dating Giselle. It was announced in February that BM was pregnant.
    How did he dump his pregnant girlfriend? Are you part of the moral majority that feel he should have gone back to her?
    Google TB & BM breakup, its there in black &white
    Your facts are wrong and comments do not make any sense.
    Keep writing nonsense. Your QB acts like a jerk and embarrassed your fanbase with his selfish immature actions.
    Goodbye you are not too bright.

  165. steelforce43 says: Mar 11, 2010 1:35 PM

    Actually, I heard that meeting was to discuss the possible trade to Oakland. Pittsburgh is going to send Big Rape to Oakland and get Nnamdi Asomugha, their first round draft pick and a third.

  166. nerd says: Mar 11, 2010 1:37 PM

    Ha ha, “Don’t rape anybody on the way out.” LOL.

  167. Deb says: Mar 11, 2010 1:38 PM

    @CincyAllDaWay …
    Honey, annoying as you are, I’ve gotten used to having you around, so here’s some advice: If you are ever accused of a crime you did not commit …
    Do not speak to the police. No matter what they say, promise, threaten, or do, your ONLY response should be “I want an attorney.”
    If the police ask for DNA samples and your attorney says, “Sure!” get a new attorney.
    The police are not your friends. Pretend they are master fishermen and you are the fish. The fish are perfectly innocent. But they do not give the fishermen hooks, nets, lures, and bait. They make the fishermen dangle something before they jump.
    Since Ben hasn’t denied having sexual contact with the girl, the DNA is a formality. But if they want it, they’re going to have to dangle something at Garland to get it.
    So what are the police hiding? What story is this girl spinning? Let’s say she’s lying. Ben knows what happened, but he doesn’t know what she’s claiming. So anything he says or provides can be twisted to fit her version of the facts. Why would you provide anything until you know her version of the facts.
    You gotta think, Cincy. Or one day you may end up in the hoosegow–just like a lot of innocent people have done.

  168. Big Stretch says: Mar 11, 2010 1:40 PM

    GovtMinion says:
    March 11, 2010 1:13 PM
    It’s worth pointing out, regarding the motorcycle incident, that while the other driver was at fault, he was the one not wearing a helmet or any other protective gear… that may not quite be on-par with rape, but it does show a history of reckless behavior and lack of any real forethought
    ————————————————-
    so not wearing a helmut while riding a motorcycle MIGHT NOT be on par with rape….MIGHT NOT? try not even close what the hell are you talking about?
    I think you should be the one wearing a helmut.

  169. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Mar 11, 2010 1:44 PM

    Riding a motorcycle without a helmet isn’t a crime, or at least it wasn’t then. BUT riding a motorcycle with an expired learner’s permit probably isn’t legal.
    I’m all for due process in the legal system. But in Goodell’s NFL, due process isn’t needed when considering suspensions. Pacman, C. Henry, B. Marshall, were suspended due to a pattern of irresponsible behavior that tarnished the Shield. Ben has established a pattern of behavior. Maybe not legally, but 2 sexual assault accusations, riding a motorcycle without a valid license, and rumors of him skipping out on checks and whatnot are an embarrassing pattern of behavior.
    I don’t want to convict Roethlisberger. I don’t want to label the alleged victim a gold-digger or opportunist either.
    I’d get more satisfaction with Ben failing on the field than sitting behind bars.

  170. paladinfes says: Mar 11, 2010 2:02 PM

    There seems to be a misunderstanding regarding Michael Vick:
    He was not convicted for dog fighting or killing; not that he should not have been.
    MV was convicted on a FEDERAL (not State) violation of Interstate Gambling statute.
    Now, why is the Ben R issue being reduced to a racial one?
    We really need to let this race thing go. I know this will rankle folks. But before y’all get too riled up and tell me how racism still exists, let’s examine some readily available yet not well-known facts.
    Slavery existed in Europe (the Slavs) and Africa (by indigenous blacks) long before the Middle Passage. 3/4’s of the blacks that crossed the Middle Passage did not come to North America; rather they went to South America & the Caribbean. No matter where the slaves went, they were sold, beaten, killed, etc. Yet, the peoples of South America & the Caribbean have gotten over the slavery issues and racism. Not so in the US; why?

  171. edgerules says: Mar 11, 2010 2:05 PM

    This is Ben’s third off field incident, and it is getting very embarassing. He is supposed to be the face of the franchise, and the team’s leader. He sure as hell is not acting like it. I am not saying he should not do what he wants in his free time, but he has to make better choices. He has to learn to grow the hell up. If he wants to go to a bar, fine..but dude, keep away from the co eds. I don’t see why he can’t find a nice young lady to date. If she is 21 or so, fine, whatever, I have nothing against age gaps, but he has to stop putting himself in bad situations.
    As for the team, the Steelers are seen as the “model” franchise, and he certainly is shaming the franchise. I do admit though that the team adheres to the adage “wins absolves sins” and will turn the other way like when Cedric Wilson was cut due to a charge of domestic violence but when James Harrison, the star LB, did it, he got to stay partly because he was taking the kid to be baptized and the gal didn’t want it done. I seriously doubt that they are going to cut Big Ben….or suspend him…..yet.
    I am a Steeler fan of 30 years and I would not be upset if they did cut him and had to withstand a few years of re building. If it means he is off the team ( yes, some team will snatch him, but let him be THEIR headache), and we have a team of character guys, then so be it.

  172. Deb says: Mar 11, 2010 2:19 PM

    A-hem … did you lose my post? Should I post it again? If you’re willing to post “Don’t rape anyone on the way out,” you shouldn’t have a problem with anything I’ve written.

  173. Frank Burns says: Mar 11, 2010 2:21 PM

    # Jack Acid says: March 11, 2010 12:31 PM
    Zero chance the Steelers ship Pig Ben without an indictment or conviction.
    However, Goodell should consider a suspension even without an arrest, just like he did to Pacman and other players who were never convicted.
    It’s bad PR with or without an arrest or jail time.
    —————————————————
    See here’s the kind of stupidity I’m talking about.
    Yeah let’s suspend a player every time he gets accused of doing something. You know, without even being charged or arrested as guys like PACMAN got.
    Incredible. Just incredible.

  174. Frank Burns says: Mar 11, 2010 2:35 PM

    ampats says: March 11, 2010 1:35 PM
    Frank,
    What does Tom Brady have to do with this subject or from your previous posts its your way to deflect the truth and answer the question?
    But since you are a source of misinformation on this site I will dumb it down for you.
    It was announced that Tom Brady & Bridget Moynahan broke up in early December and he was dating Giselle. It was announced in February that BM was pregnant.
    How did he dump his pregnant girlfriend? Are you part of the moral majority that feel he should have gone back to her?
    Google TB & BM breakup, its there in black &white
    Your facts are wrong and comments do not make any sense.
    Keep writing nonsense. Your QB acts like a jerk and embarrassed your fanbase with his selfish immature actions.
    Goodbye you are not too bright.
    ————————————————-
    I brought this up as you claimed your “outrage” at this
    alleged incident stemmed solely from your status as a concerned father of daughters. And you rode quite the high moral horse.
    If that’s the case, you should apply those moral standards to players even if they happen to be on your own team. Which it now shows, by your interesting take on what really happened with the situation above, you do not.
    Your guy gets a pass, and you’ll even resort to revisionist history to give him one. I suggest you consult your local Boston media for the real account of what happened:
    “Lord help Tom if he ever dumps Slick (Sick) Willy or Gisele! It seems pretty clear that Willy intended to match Gisele and Tom up, just a question of whether he was still with Bridget or not. Brady had affairs at private country clubs when he was with Bridget, so an affair with Gisele seems likely especially since it was reported earlier that they started dating in December 2006 and not January 2007. The truly humble, nice guy of 2002 has been replaced by a souless, lying, cheating, deadbeat dad. Good work Willy.”
    http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/he_s_with_tom/
    Again I’ll ask — how would you feel about a guy who got your daughter pregnant then left her for some other woman? C’mon Mr. “I’m only about moral outrage, my outrage has nothing to do with my Steeler hatred” still waiting for your answer.

  175. Frank Burns says: Mar 11, 2010 2:44 PM

    hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: March 11, 2010 1:44 PM
    Riding a motorcycle without a helmet isn’t a crime, or at least it wasn’t then. BUT riding a motorcycle with an expired learner’s permit probably isn’t legal.
    I’m all for due process in the legal system. But in Goodell’s NFL, due process isn’t needed when considering suspensions. Pacman, C. Henry, B. Marshall, were suspended due to a pattern of irresponsible behavior that tarnished the Shield. Ben has established a pattern of behavior. Maybe not legally, but 2 sexual assault accusations, riding a motorcycle without a valid license, and rumors of him skipping out on checks and whatnot are an embarrassing pattern of behavior.
    ———————————————
    Again, the stupidity.
    The difference is, those characters you listed have all been CHARGED WITH CRIMES and ARRESTED. That hasn’t happened with Ben as of yet.
    But hey, robbery and assault are really no different than say, “rumors of him skipping out on checks and whatnot” right? Never mind that those actual crimes were witnessed, just minor lil’ details.
    The more you haters twist, the more I enjoy the gymnastics show!

  176. CincyAllDaWay says: Mar 11, 2010 2:47 PM

    @ Deb
    I understand 100% what you’re saying Darlin…I do. I guess my point is, if you’re truely innocent, as he and his lawyer claim, you did not have sex with her as they claim, and you truely have nothing to hide, then the DNA test is totally inconclusive isn’t it?? I’m no lawyer, nor do I claim to be, but if you’re really innocent the DNA shouldn’t matter. I guess the way I”m looking at the situation, it introduces doubt. IMO

  177. Corey says: Mar 11, 2010 2:59 PM

    trade big ben to the bills for their first…now thats punishment :)

  178. paladinfes says: Mar 11, 2010 3:13 PM

    DNA request … get a warrant.
    Police knocks on my door and asks to speak to me … fine, outside. They do not enter my home.
    Just because I insist on proper legal protocol does not mean I am guilty or hiding anything.
    I have rights and that includes the right to insist my rights to be honored.
    Why? … Why not?

  179. Brentwood34 says: Mar 11, 2010 3:21 PM

    Cincy, it is not as simple as “yeah, sure, here’s my DNA sample, I’m not guilty so what do I care.”
    Legal defense should never be confused with public opinion defense. Roethlisberger’s attorney’s job is to protect his client’s interests, not to win public favor. If he were to give in to the first request for DNA without all of the appropriate processes being followed, then he would be incompetent.
    Be he guilty or not guilty, it is not his task to prove he is innocent, rather it is the burden of the state to prove his guilt.

  180. hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: Mar 11, 2010 3:26 PM

    Jones was suspended 4 games for the altercation with his body guard, no arrest was made, no police report, and no charges were pressed.
    Pattern of behavior.
    It’s easy to try and rip my comment by comparing robbery and assault to skipping out on checks, but why not compare them to the sexual assault cases? I guess that wouldn’t really help your point, would it?

  181. City Of Champions says: Mar 11, 2010 3:59 PM

    Richm2256 says:
    March 11, 2010 1:10 PM
    City Of Champions says:
    I say that if you have 2 SB rings, you should be able to put your D1CK anywhere you want.
    ————————————————–
    Including your Mother, or your sister, then?
    You give morons a bad name
    ————————————————-
    Yes please. I would love to have a new brother/nephew!!!!

  182. Mooch says: Mar 11, 2010 4:11 PM

    “…here’s some advice: If you are ever accused of a crime you did not commit…Do not speak to the police. No matter what they say, promise, threaten, or do, your ONLY response should be “I want an attorney.”
    Yeah, why not exercise your rights? I remember reading “Homicide” and David Simon wrote that cops can never believe when a guy talks without a lawyer. They find it incomprehensible that someone would surrender their rights.
    Anymore in this country, people view basic rights as a threat to order / society / culture / morals / values or some other BS.

  183. KaiserSoze says: Mar 11, 2010 4:19 PM

    “# CincyAllDaWay says: March 11, 2010 2:47 PM
    @ Deb
    I understand 100% what you’re saying Darlin…I do. I guess my point is, if you’re truely innocent, as he and his lawyer claim, you did not have sex with her as they claim, and you truely have nothing to hide, then the DNA test is totally inconclusive isn’t it?? I’m no lawyer, nor do I claim to be, but if you’re really innocent the DNA shouldn’t matter. I guess the way I”m looking at the situation, it introduces doubt. IMO”
    Your missing the point …again.
    So let me try.
    Same concept applies when accused people are coerced into taking polygraphs by the cops, then smeared in the press if they refuse.
    In this country, if you are accused of a crime, it’s up to the authorities to prove your guilt.
    According to the Bill of Rights, you are NOT required to prove your innocence.
    Got it now?

  184. Frank Burns says: Mar 11, 2010 4:56 PM

    # hineswardcriesafterfumbling says: March 11, 2010 3:26 PM
    It’s easy to try and rip my comment by comparing robbery and assault to skipping out on checks, but why not compare them to the sexual assault cases? I guess that wouldn’t really help your point, would it?
    ———————————————————-
    Dude you did that to yourself by working these “rumors” in there in the first place.
    Didn’t exactly help YOUR point.

  185. spyboots says: Mar 11, 2010 5:08 PM

    Where are you getting infornation that she was drinking or in the bars illegally? The articles I read stated that these were college bars where 18-year-olds may go but are not served alcohol. And that IDs are checked, and if age 21 or older, they wear a wristband so that the bartender knows they can serve them.

  186. Deb says: Mar 11, 2010 5:08 PM

    @CincyAllDaWay ….
    Oh, honey, I fear for you if you ever get accused of anything!!!
    Ben has acknowledged sexual conduct. Even if that only entailed a heavy makeout session, she probably had his hair or skin on her skin or clothes. If it included oral sex–or if “sexual manipulation” is another term for, excuse my bluntness, a hand job–then she likely had his semen on her skin or clothes. It’s there. You can about bet on that.
    But like Brentwood34 said, his attorney has a responsibility to protect his interests. Our judicial system is an adversarial arrangement. Want the DNA? What will you give up for it? Innocence has nothing to do with it. Innocent people are convicted every day.
    Seriously–google Duke Lacrosse. Those players were being railroaded by a corrupt DA. They kinda sounded like jerks but they don’t jail you for that. Google the Hoftstra rape case. Google the Innocence Project. On the home page is a story about an 18-year-old convicted of rape in 1982 and exonerated by DNA in 2002.
    People know they’re innocent so they give up their rights because they assume they can’t lose. paladinfes is right. Never give up your rights.

  187. ampats says: Mar 11, 2010 5:32 PM

    Obviously we are dealing with Frank Burns Gump. Stupid IS as stupid does.

  188. Spohney says: Mar 11, 2010 5:55 PM

    Roethlisberger is a bum, You hang out with thugs. You become a thug. You don’t see hockey players in this predicament. They hold themselves to a higher standard. Not Racist ,just say’in

  189. shukey11 says: Mar 11, 2010 5:55 PM

    WP why send him to antarctica to rape penguins when theres a whole team already in pittsburgh

  190. TDHawk says: Mar 11, 2010 6:00 PM

    Everyone is innocent until proven guilty as CHARGE. That said, Ben is either foolish or incredibly unlucky. Either way, he should lock himself indoors henceforth.

  191. Bigbluefan says: Mar 11, 2010 6:02 PM

    What is a grown man doing with a 20 year old kid
    Sorry yes I am sure she was hot and so on and on but
    SHE IS A CHILD
    I hope her daddy gets ben in an alley somewhere

  192. Deb says: Mar 11, 2010 6:24 PM

    @Bigbluefan …
    Please. When I was 23, I briefly dated a 39-year-old. I ended it because he acted like a hormonally overcharged teenager. The range between 20 and 28 is not the range between 16 and 28 or between 20 and 40. She is not a child.

  193. Richm2256 says: Mar 11, 2010 6:32 PM

    @ Deb:
    “Since Ben hasn’t denied having sexual contact with the girl, the DNA is a formality. But if they want it, they’re going to have to dangle something at Garland to get it”
    ————————————————-
    Umm, weren’t you the one whose best friends (husband & wife) are crackerjack, ace criminal lawyers or something? Either they suck at lawyering or you’re not hearing them right.
    The prosecution doesn’t need to “dangle” ANYthing, all they need to do is convince a judge that roethlisberger’s DNA is rlevant to their case, and *poof* they get a warrant forcing Roethlisberger to comply.
    The only thing “dangling” here was Big Ben’s “junk”, in front of that young girl. And if any of you are wondering why the prosecution wants that DNA, it’s obviously to match some that “Mr. Satan” left behind. Sure, it wasn’t rape; Ben just left a little “calling card” behind somehow. If squirting your juice isn’t “sex”, somebody please tell me what is?.

  194. The Real Shuxion says: Mar 11, 2010 7:00 PM

    Vox is burning the Steeler fans on here.

  195. Deb says: Mar 11, 2010 7:27 PM

    Ah, Richm2256, the Pats fan who is soooo desperate for Ben to be guilty, guilty, guilty of something, something, something …
    It’s my brother and sister-in-law who are crackerjack criminal defense attorneys. But since they’re busy being crackerjack defense attorneys, they’re not vetting my PFT posts. I do occasionally shoot my brother an e-mail if something confuses me. But for the most part, my posts come from my own knowledge and life experience.
    Yes, of course prosecutors can get a judge to issue a warrant. That wasn’t the discussion. The discussion was why doesn’t Ben just hand it over. And the answer is that you don’t just hand over anything unless it’s in your interest. And getting a warrant isn’t always as easy as *poof*. If it were, no one would bother to ask.
    His DNA doesn’t have to mean semen. It may just mean hair and skin samples.
    “If squirting your juice isn’t ‘sex,’ somebody please tell me what is?”
    Good grief, what a thing to ask!
    If you “squirt” when you’re alone with your magazines, you probably don’t call that having “sex.” You also might “squirt” with help from someone else in a variety of ways that don’t include intercourse but might be explained by the term “sexual manipulation” as stated in the police report. The police have said it was not “rape”–which indicates no intercourse–and Roethlisberger reportedly has said there was no intercourse.
    I realize you have an agenda, but please stop talking about a 20-year-old as though she were five. She’s a 20-year-old adult who was out partying in a nightclub with a guy celebrating his 28th birthday. And you don’t know what he dangled or where.

  196. TheWizard says: Mar 11, 2010 7:38 PM

    What is a grown man doing with a 20 year old kid
    The insecure types always go after youth. (I was in high school with about 30 guys like that, many years ago)
    Easier to act like king shit and impress everybody. Don’t have to worry about dealing with an intellectual equal. Juniors who date freshmen, that sort of thing.

  197. Deb says: Mar 11, 2010 8:19 PM

    Did I get censored? Richm2256 can ask the question, but I can’t answer it?

  198. Deb says: Mar 11, 2010 8:41 PM

    @Richm2256 …
    It’s my brother and sister-in-law who are crackerjack criminal defense attorneys. But since they’re busy being crackerjack defense attorneys, they’re not vetting my PFT posts.
    Yes, prosecutors can get a warrant. That wasn’t the discussion. The discussion was why doesn’t Ben just hand it over. And the answer is that you don’t just hand over anything unless it’s in your interest. And getting a warrant isn’t always as easy as “poof.” If it were, no one would bother to ask. His DNA doesn’t have to mean semen. It may just mean hair and skin samples.
    “If squirting your juice isn’t ‘sex,’ somebody please tell me what is?” What a thing to ask! If you “squirt” when you’re alone, it isn’t “sex,” is it? Not sure what you’re asking, but the police said it was not “rape”–which indicates no intercourse–and Roethlisberger reportedly said there was no intercourse. That still leaves a lot of, um, options.
    I realize you have an agenda, but please stop talking about a 20-year-old as though she were five. She’s an adult who was out partying in a nightclub with a guy celebrating his 28th birthday. And you don’t know what he dangled or where.
    As to your agenda … the Pats dynasty has three Super Bowls in four years; the Steelers have two in four years. Getting rid of Ben would likely keep the Steelers from adding to that total in the near future. I get it. Salivate for failure on the field, Rich, not like this. And please don’t feign concern for the girl when you’ve been posting hatred for the Steelers as long as I’ve been on PFT.

  199. Deb says: Mar 11, 2010 9:30 PM

    You guys do this stuff to me on purpose, don’t you? I post something and you hold it and hold it and post other stuff that came in after it. So finally I rewrite and try to edit it to pass the censors. Then you post both versions at the same time.
    Very funny.

  200. SaintsBucsPanthersSUKK 2.0OH! says: Mar 11, 2010 9:39 PM

    @Deb
    You’ve met up with Captain Postblocker himself, Mike Florio (or Peter Pan Rosenthal). Killjoys they is.

  201. reformed says: Mar 11, 2010 9:53 PM

    Cut him loose

  202. BLACKSTEEL says: Mar 11, 2010 9:56 PM

    Get Dennis Dixon ready my friends

  203. Deb says: Mar 11, 2010 9:59 PM

    @SaintsBucsPanthersSUKK 2.0OH!
    I think they’re just playing weird mind games with me LOL

  204. Richm2256 says: Mar 11, 2010 10:10 PM

    Deb, if Tom Brady were accused of sexual assault once, and was stupid enough to go trolling for college girls who he “claims” gave consent to have some form of sexual contact in a lady’s room, I would call Bob Kraft myself and ask that he be sent packing, three Super Bowl rings and all.
    Wrong is wrong is wrong.
    Yes, I can’t stand the Steelers, and think Roethlisberger is one of the poorest producing two-time Super Bowl QBs to ever walk the planet. But my feelings in this case are about the man’s character (or lack of) rather than his athletic talent or uniform choice. Why can’t Steelers fans see that?
    Why do Steelers fans support a previously accused 28 year old man who decides it’s pefectly sane to troll for a 20 year old co-ed, take her to 3 bars and get her served alcohol despite her being underaged, saying she gave consent to have some form of contact in a lady’s room, and is surprised that this behavior might result in yet another accusation of sexual assault?
    Why can’t Steelers fans unilaterally realize that even if he did nothing criminal, he showed incredibly stupid judgment in putting himself in position to be accused of it once again?

  205. Deb says: Mar 12, 2010 1:23 AM

    @Richm2256 …
    Of course, he showed incredibly stupid judgment; I’ve posted that repeatedly.
    Why can’t I see that your motives are pure and your only concern is Ben’s character? Because you slam the character of our entire organization on every Steelers thread. Meanwhile, you post passionate, almost tearful defenses of the Patriots and how people shouldn’t refer to them as “Cheatriots” and how painful that is for their loving fans. You’re not a terribly empathetic person, are you, Rich? You can feel your own pain, but you don’t feel anyone else’s.
    You’ve never had any factual basis for the things you’ve posted about the Steelers. Everyone whines about refs throwing games (ask Oakland about the Tuck Rule). But we KNOW Belichick was caught red-handed breaking NFL rules he’d been told point-blank not to break. Still, I never post “Cheatriots” stuff because I respect talent, am empathetic to their fans, and even though I can’t stand them, can respect their accomplishments. If you’d been able to show similar objectivity before, you might have some credibility with me now. But you weren’t, so you don’t.
    It also doesn’t help that you deliberately distort the facts about Ben. Should he have been partying with college students? No–because of his vulnerability to lawsuits, not because it’s wrong for a 28-year-old to interact or have consensual sex with a college student. She is a tad too young to drink in Georgia, but she is a legal adult. Soldiers her age are serving in the Middle East. But though you know she’s an adult, you keep saying he’s preying on “underage” girls.
    A previously accused man? McNulty is older than Ben, told friends she hoped she was pregnant and wanted to see him again. When she claims she was sobbing in her truck, her text messages show she was exchanging love notes with her boyfriend. Unfortunately, her boyfriend wasn’t real. He was invented by the wife of her former lover. When that was revealed, she had a breakdown and ran up large medical bills. So a year after their encounter, she sued Ben for $3 million claiming he raped her. And now the Georgia woman hires a personal injury attorney within 48 hours of her supposed trauma. Of the many rape and assault victims I’ve known, not one has mentioned wanting financial compensation. And hiring an attorney within 48 hours?
    Yeah, Rich, wrong is wrong is wrong.
    Please don’t moralize to me about why Steelers fans just can’t see this the way you do. You see what you want to see. So if this were Brady, you’d call Kraft to demand his release on principle? Did you call to demand Belichick’s?

  206. Reba says: Mar 12, 2010 2:48 AM

    Good for the Rooneys!!
    Give him one more chance? He has 3 strikes now…. motorcycle, NV and now GA.
    BEN — STEP AWAY FROM THE STEELERS AND GO HOME TO OH AND PLANT CORN OR SOMETHING.

  207. Reba says: Mar 12, 2010 2:50 AM

    @JP
    JP… he’s buying her drinks… Dumbass – she is 20!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s a misdemeanor all by itself!

  208. barbie b says: Mar 12, 2010 9:37 AM

    Does this jerk have a mother, or sisters, aunts, girl cousins? What’s his deal. That 20 year old was probably gaga that a big NFL star was at that bar and extra gaga that he was flirting with her. uh been there many years ago with another steeler QB. gaga not assaulted. So I kinda know what she felt if he was paying her special attention. Boy did he ever screw up his image with her friends and those college kids. If he did it. Why does he think he’s so hot, he’s not even cute. maybe a penis complex. who know.s

  209. Deb says: Mar 12, 2010 11:52 AM

    I can’t look at a woman and tell if she’s 20 or 21, and when I meet people, I don’t ask their ages or check their ID. That’s the bartender’s job. The police said they met while out clubbing. If you meet someone in a nightclub, it’s reasonable to assume that person has a legal right to be there.
    Was it stupid for him to be clubbing in college bars given that he’s a rich athlete with a civil suit for rape pending against him? Absolutely idiotic. But he’s not responsible for her alcohol consumption.

  210. blknnnguld says: Mar 15, 2010 1:36 PM

    I have been a steeler fan since 1977 and this whole thing makes me sick.. Poor ben has no common scense I wish rooney would just get rid of that bafoon!! You are born with common scense It realy can’t be taught. I personally have been around him a couple of times and have never liked his personallity.. He is a douche.. I like dennis dixon he is alot more of professional then ben will ever be! good bye ben…………..

  211. GetFactsFirst says: Mar 20, 2010 8:25 AM

    10 reasons why the Steelers NEED BEN!!!
    1 – Tommy Maddox
    2 – Kent Graham
    3 – Kordell Stewart
    4 – Mike Tomczak
    5 – Jim Miller
    6 – Neil O’Donnell
    7 – Bubby Brister
    8 – Mark Malone
    9 – David Woodley
    10 – Cliff Stoudt

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