Earlier this week, Sal Paolantonio of ESPN said in an appearance with Mike Missanelli of 97.5 The Fanatic in Philly that the Seahawks are calling the Eagles “non-stop” regarding the possibility of acquiring quarterbacks Donovan McNabb or Kevin Kolb.
Per our friends (and possibly future colleagues) at CSNPhilly.com, the Seahawks want only one of the two Philadelphia quarterbacks.
Kolb.
It makes sense. Kolb is far younger, the age around which the franchise can be built for the next decade, or longer. He also showed significant potential and performance when given the chance to prepare for an assignment, becoming the first quarterback in NFL history to throw for 300-plus yards in his first two career starts.
And if there was any doubt that the Eagles view Kolb as their future, Jason La Canfora recently reported that on NFL Network’s Total Access that the Eagles would want a first-round pick plus something else for McNabb, and that they’d want two first-round picks for Kolb, a second-round pick in 2007.
If they can get two first rounders for Kolb, they need to make that deal in a heartbeat.
Everyone loves to blame McNabb for the Eagles problems, but they need to understand that the Eagles have several flaws on both sides of the ball. Getting an extra 1st rounder would help tremendously.
In other words — Kolb isn’t available.
NO ONE is gonna give two RD1 picks for Kolb. He was a RD2 pick 3 years ago – who has played less than Brady Quinn but with not much better stats. Plus, he has a $6.5 meg bonus due two weeks after the draft – and is going into his final contract year. Eagles must move him if they aren’t gonna play him.
The eagles must have gotten calls about Kolb in the past to demand that much for him. Because if they thought Kolb was a better quaterback then he would be playing.
There is no way a team gives up 2 first round picks for Kolb. The guys was a second round pick 3 years ago and since then has barely played. Yes he performed pretty well this season in his 2 starts but one of those was against the Chiefs and the other he threw for a lot of yards but also 3 picks agsint the Saints in a game that was a blowout for most of the game.
I have no doubt that they might be asking for that but I sincerely doubt they expect to get it. They might be starting negotiations that high to get a team to bite on a 1st round pick or a 1st and a 3rd or 4th. That is the most I can imagine anyone giving up for a guy with that little time proving things on the field.
Now if only the Eagle’s didn’t have idiot blowhards within their hierarchy that are unwilling to give this kid a chance…
I dont see McNabb being a good fit in Seattle, but Kolb makes perfect sense.
Let Hasselbeck finish up this season (if he stays healthy) then groom Kolb in.
The Eagles front office is crazy if they can find a team absolutely dumb enough to give them what they supposedly want for either guy, but hey, the Bears did it last year.
At least Kolb won’t be throwing up in the huddle when the game is on the line…or will he?
I would trade 5 2007 first round picks and 2007 second round picks for any player this year
send em McHamburgerButt
Careful Seahawks. Didn’t Philly use to have another back-up that had a few great games and then turned out he sucked. Feely(spelling?). Two games, does not a career make….
It makes sense for the Eagles to want full value on this trade, but you would have to be out of your mind to give up two 1st round draft picks for a guys whose played a handful of games. I think a first and something for Mcnabb even seems high.
1st and a value draft pick for Kolb (2-4th round)
2nd and a value draft pick / contribuiting player for Mcnabb
I think thats a little closer to market value for these guys.
The perfect scenario — Philly keeps McNabb for this year, Brett comes back and wins superbowl with Vikes then rides his lawn tractor off into the sunset, Vikes aquire McNabb for 2011 season and repeat as champs!
Ok I kow we had a back and forth about McNabb and Kolb, the same exact story really, yesterday but this makes complete sense for the Seahawks but absolutely no sense for the Eagles unless they got the two 1st rounders.
It just goes to show that Reid isn’t “that” stupid.
What the hell has Kolb done to warrent more that a 3rd round?
That said, I wouldnt trade him for less that a 1st, but TWO first rounders??
seems fair if the Seahawks really want someone to build their franchise around. The Eagles are not just going to give away Kolb, especially to a team in the NFC.
Looks like people are starting to wise up: After McNabb’s pathetic failure in the last 2 games against the cowboys (1 touchdown in 2 games, hell even Michael Vick matched him on that), everyone is starting to realize he is a bitter little girl who can’t play anymore. A 2nd round pick for McNabb is a steal.
For anyone who missed this tidbit in a previous article, Kolb, a native Texan, hunts wild boar with a bowie knife when he’s not tossing around the pigskin. If that’s not a man’s man, I don’t know who is. As a Hawks fan, I’ve thought he’d be a much better option than either Bradford or Clausen for some time, but figured he was untouchable. However, with both Kolb and McNabbs contracts up after 2010 season, and with Kolb clearly deserving a shot at starting somewhere with the commensurate $ that go with that, they cannot afford to keep both, thus one has to go. Better to get something for one of them now than lose them next year in FA. If you are Andy Reid, are you really going to cut ties with McNabb who is still playing at a high level? He could, but how happy will Philly fans be seeing McNabb take the Vikings to the superbowl, ala Favre, while they miss the playoffs. Seattle is rebuilding and can tolerate several years of Kolb development. Can Philly?
For the love of GOD do not trade Kolb
eagles have 3 qbs that could be starters and still cannot win the superbowl
Nice Try Seattle. Like Philly is going to give up their future to you. If that doesn’t work out, see if you can get Drew Brees from the Saints.
One mans junk is another mans treasure. They can have him for their high 2nd round pick.
Kolb is far younger, the age around which the franchise can be built for the next decade, or longer. He also showed significant potential and performance when given the chance to prepare for an assignment, becoming the first quarterback in NFL history to throw for 300-plus yards in his first two career starts.
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For all of these reasons, the Eagles would be crazy to trade Kolb. I’m not saying he will be great, but why the hell would you use a high draft pick on a player, spend 2 years coaching him up to be the future of the franchise, and then just start all over again with someone else?
The Eagles do lots of really stupid things- but one of the things they do fairly well is keep young, cheap, players. I doubt they are trading Kolb.
I wonder if Kolb knows that playoff games could end in ties.
otherwise….
what?
diehard82 – you aren’t getting Kolb. They are not going to give 2 1st round picks for him when they can get clausen or bradford for 1 1st round pick.
assuming they cant unload vick, who they really want to get rid of… and should…
if they trade kolb, they can draft another guy. vick wouldnt dare try to unseat mcnabb.
if they trade mcnabb, vick will blow up the locker room.
Right now, time is on the Eagles side and they are just using both QB’s to leverage the best deal for themselves……nothing wrong with that because once OTA’s start, time will then be on the side of the other teams as they will want their rosters set. The Eagles are keeping the interest level high by leaking these trade stories because for them it is a race against time. The shoe will be on the other foot once OTA’s start and the offers will start going in the opposite direction. I suspect other teams know that the Eagles really don’t want to have to deal with both Kolb and McNabb on the team entering the new season, not to mention to have to pay them both big money. I think other teams are wise to what the Eagles are trying to do and have decided to wait them out.
diehard82 says:
“hunts wild boar with a bowie knife when he’s not tossing around the pigskin. If that’s not a man’s man, I don’t know who is.”
Strangest definition of a man’s man.. Only in Texas!
Kolb is a fluke. I saw him in training camp every year since his draft, he blows! I think he’s the product of his system.
If you were building a team, who would you want ? A qb that’s at the end or a qb that’s up and coming ? McBaby’s good but not a long term fix. I’m not saying anything that anybody shouldnt already know.
I’m glad to see they are wanting to keep him…I think Kolb is going to be the future of this franchise and I think he will eventually be better than McNabb…he has lots of potential…good job Eagles!!!
Trade Vick to the Seahawks!
Trade McNabb and a 5th round pick to Seattle for Matt Hasselbeck and their 2nd round pick.
Carroll has a solid QB for 3 years while he grooms whomever he drafts this year.
Reid has a veteran QB to backup and mentor Kolb – plus, Hasselbeck already knows the system from the Holmgren tree.
Win-Win for everybody.
Plus, what are the chances Philly would see Seattle in the playoffs anytime soon? Not very good.
diehard82 says:
March 11, 2010 10:39 AM
Seattle is rebuilding and can tolerate several years of Kolb development. Can Philly?
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If we don’t win the super bowl, who cares? We’re not winning this super bowl in 2010, so why not move McNabb while he’s worth something and lock up Kolb for another 4 years? McNabb won’t be around or playing at a high level in 4 years and Kolb will be in his prime. We dont’ know if Kolb is the answer or not. What we DO know, is that McNabb won’t win a Super Bowl in philly.
The Eagles are a joke, they thought they would stock up on qb’s and then trade them for picks. Well nobody wants McNabb or Vick. Now they are stuck with them.
Franchise said
“I dont see McNabb being a good fit in Seattle, but Kolb makes perfect sense.
Let Hasselbeck finish up this season (if he stays healthy) then groom Kolb in.
The Eagles front office is crazy if they can find a team absolutely dumb enough to give them what they supposedly want for either guy, but hey, the Bears did it last year.”
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You’re a moron. You don’t trade 2 first round picks (which we know thats what the eagles would want because they consistently overvalue their QBs) to have someone ride the bench. On top of that Kolb wants to PLAY. He isn’t going to go somewhere else to sit on the bench. He’ll stay where he is and knows the WRs and knows the system (yes I know they both run similar systems but there are variances).
If you have 3 QBs… you really have none.
Eagles will have to trade one of them before the draft. If not, don’t be surprised when the Redskins pass them.
@ UckTheFeagles
“At least Kolb won’t be throwing up in the huddle when the game is on the line…or will he?”
Wow…what are you like 8…so what if he threw up…how long ago was that?…get over it already!!!
birdman – are you telling me Philly would pass up a 1st and 4th for Kolb now? That’s #14 and #101. Would they really pass that up to sit Kolb for another year and then CUT McNabb? Given the fact that they won’t be able to trade either one next year, it would make for a very expensive backup QB given the opportunity cost of no picks in return.
What happens in 2011 and beyond, when McNabb signs with another team and Kolb gets his shot and we all find out that he can’t play? Every Kolb fan/McNabb hater references the 300+ yard passing performances Kolb had against the Saints and Chiefs. I like to look at the fact that he has a career TD-INT ratio of 4-7. And most of those picks have come in blowout wins against poor teams. I also like to reference that in a pre-season game in 2009, he threw away a pass in his own endzone and didn’t know it was a safety. I’d be happy as hell if this guy was a phenomenal QB who would lead the Eagles to a championship, but he was picked as an insurance policy in 2007 after McNabb went down mid-season with an ACL tear. If the Seahawks are so eager, sell Kolb for draft picks and use one of those on a QB for the future.
how about Aaron Curry LB former first round pick and Patrick Kearney for Kolb?
So what, he hunts boar with a knife?
We have another tough QB – one who plays air guitar and giggles before big games.
Oh.
Jason La Canfora is an idiot for saying that! This is nothing more than an idiot trying to get face time over a topic that is sure to generate buzz.
Think about it rationally, would anyone give up 2 1st round draft picks for a back up quarterback? The answer is simply “no.” Florio puts it up here just to generate more buzz so folks will argue over what “should” be fair value for Kolb. Fair value is whatever someone is willing to pony up.
The funny thing to me is all the posts re: trading DNabb earlier this week and now this “retraction” article. Not sure if anyone remembers what I posted, but cliff notes “Sal Pal is a moron” for even suggesting DNabb was being traded to Seattle.
The Eagles aren’t trading McNabb. Kolb is available, but would have to be attractive. Meaning a much needed player and draft pick or a 1st day draft pick for the Eagles to take a player they really want and need. Vick is available and will probably be traded on draft day for a pick.
It’s fun to speculate, but this topic is burned. Stop with all the pie in the sky bullshit and be realistic.
If the Seahawks actually give up (2) 1st’s AND a 2nd… that will go down as one of the dumbest moves EVER!
Besides… if Kolb was such a good QB then he would already be starting in Philly and McNabb would have been shipped off a year or so ago.
I think that 10 first round picks is a fair price for a backup QB. OK, maybe 12. The Eagles need to make that trade.
Hmm, CSNPhilly.com got this story from “A source in Seattle…”. Looks like they get tips from as good as sources as PFT.
yall are crazy. philly would be dumb to give kolb up for anything less.
As an Eagles fan, two 1st rounders is really the minimum needed to move Kolb. It’s not that he as a player is necessarily worth that much, it’s just that’s how much he means to the Eagles. McNabb is 33, keeps choking in big games, and is signed only through 2010. I think the Eagles plan to let him go if they can’t trade him. That means Kolb, who was good in the games he started last year, is up. Behind him there’s really nothing. Vick will be gone after 2010. Therefore, the Eagles have to use a 1st rounder on a QB if they trade him. To actually gain from the deal they need more.
Of course the Seahawks want Kolb for one 1st. They can then cut Hasselbeck with no cap penalty, and let Kolb start. They couldn’t do this with a drafted QB. Kolb has shown he is at least good, and if they’re lucky he could be an Aaron Rodgers in the making.
Seattle has too many issues to give up two 1sts IMO, so that is another reason why this deal won’t happen.
in other words, he ain’t getting traded.
@ socal
Once upon a time it was considered manly to be tough and rugged. Go drink your cappuccino and get your nails done.
Kolb a UFA or RFA at the end of this season?
@diehard82:
I am absolutely sure the Eagles would not trade Kolb for a 1st and 4th. They would have to use the 1st on a QB, then either extend McNabb and take a lower pick QB who needs time to develop or use the 1st on QB and have the new guy (Clausen?) start in his second year. Essentially they’d be trading Kolb for a 4th rounder in that case.
It seems like the Eagles really like Kolb because he has shown them in the games he’s started that he can play. They do not simply want to swap him out with another young QB.
2 1st RD picks for Kolb is nuts.
this has rob johnson written all over it.
With no Cap the Eagles have the flexability to demand what they want. Think you will see something happen on Draft Day. the Eagles and Seahawks could pull a fast one that serves both teams.. Eagles Sign Marshall to offer sheet (24th pick) ship him and QB for 6 and 14
tacious says:
March 11, 2010 11:15 AM
Besides… if Kolb was such a good QB then he would already be starting in Philly and McNabb would have been shipped off a year or so ago.
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If Brady was that good, he would have been starting over Bledsoe. If Young was that good, he would have been starting over Montana. If Shaub was that good, he would have been starting over Vick.
lilhopo says:
March 11, 2010 10:43 AM
eagles have 3 qbs that could be starters and still cannot win the superbowl
DAGGER.
Mr Krinkle,
You’re a douchebag….
Being stuck with McNabb and Vick is a bad thing??? I’m sure plenty of teams would love to have that problem…
Lets get something straight…McNabb was not the only one to blame for losing to Dallas in those last two games. How bout the terrible play calling by Andy Reid. No wonder Vick matched McNabb’s TD throws in those games…the play where Vick threw that TD to Maclin, the Cowboys thought we were running…and low and behold we caught them off guard and scored. 8x’s out of 10 when McNabb is behind center we’re throwing the ball. Hard to beat a defense when they know we’re always gunning. That’s not McNabb’s fault…that is ol’ fatboys fault.
SGEagles says:
March 11, 2010 11:23 AM
As an Eagles fan, two 1st rounders is really the minimum needed to move Kolb.
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So what you are saying is that Kolb is a better QB than Bradford or Clausen, one of which is almost certain to be available when the Hawks pick? Because last time I checked, it only costs one pick to draft someone, not two.
@Mooch:
I believe Kolb’s status would depend on the terms of a new bargaining agreement. Under the old agreement he would be UFA, having been in the league 4 years.
For this year, the RFA/UFA cutoff is 6 years, but I believe that rule is for 2010 only.
If you trade Kolb for anything, you have to extend McNabb or Vick, and neither of them will be relevant in 5 years. You need a young arm that knows the system, and Kolb is the guy. I am nervous someone might actually give up two first rounders to get him and we will have to go through the whole grooming-the-QB-of-the-future while McNabb/Vick just gets older.
Why are so many people on the Kolb bandwagon?What the hell has he done? Except throw a lot of INT’s in his little playing experience. Anybody remember all those picks he threw in both those games this year…and the game where McNabb got benched against the Ravens in 08, remember Ed Reed taking a Kolb pass for 6. Wasn’t that an NFL record for an INT return?
He sucks! Trade him now while people are on his nuts.
@ psu
I am a Cowboys fan so I am clearly biased here, but I dont think that Reid will let McNabb go. It seems as if there is a love affair, and I dont mean a homosexual love affair, between the two. All joking aside, I think that in order to let Reid or McNabb go, the other has to go with him and it is clear that isnt an option. For the record, anyone that think that Reid doesn’t have pull for something like that I would argue he is the only reason why McNabb is still there.
That’s ridiculous why not say Kolby isn’t available if your gonna request some outlandish amount for him that u know nobody will give up for a qb who’s had only 2 NFL starts, yet u ask the same price for jay cutler who was a proven pro bowl qb regardless of the idiodic mistakes he makes the eagles are dumber then sack if ball peen hammers
I can’t wait until Kevin Kolb is the Starting QB for the Eagles…..then I can’t wait to see his press conferences each week, and watch the fans and media “read between the lines” on EVERY WORD he says….OR Criticize him for taking endorsement deals with co.’s….OR try to run him out of town before EVERY SEASON EVEN STARTS……Or Boo him when they announce his name before games, then he throws for 500+ yds and 4 TDS (in said game)…..OR when he makes a gesture on the sidelines and the cameras pick it up, and the so called fans bring it up EVERY TIME they talk about him…..OR When we bring an EGO MANIAC WR then, blame Kolb for not “Jacking him up” in the locker room a la The Replacements, (cus, you know, that actually happens in real life!) ……OR when he brings the team back from a 21-0 FIRST QUARTER trouncing only to have the DEFENSE let the other team take 7:50 off the clock in the 4th quarter and score, then we Blame HIM! Or better yet, we blame HIM (Kevin Kolb, QB) for EVERY game they lose, regardless of his performance or how bad and inefficient our defense or special teams are! What I really can’t wait for is, to see Kolb perform better than 21 other QBS in the league EVERY YEAR….but then the fans and media say he is a bum and can’t play! CAN’T WAIT!!!
wryly1
“NO ONE is gonna give two RD1 picks for Kolb. He was a RD2 pick 3 years ago – who has played less than Brady Quinn but with not much better stats. Plus, he has a $6.5 meg bonus due two weeks after the draft – and is going into his final contract year. Eagles must move him if they aren’t gonna play him.”
You are an absolute bonehead, you have posted this BS about a huge bonus due to Kolb previously and I have previously corrected you. There is no bonus due Kolb in 2010, his rookie contract is still in effect and it was a 4 year contract for a total of $4.32M – so you idiot the entire contract amount was for less than you are claiming there is an upcoming bonus. Additionally the only roster bonus that was included in this contract was for $2.1M that was an option bonus in the second year (2008). Oh by the way he will become a restricted free agent next year, so obviously the Eagles have the ability to tender him a 1st and 3rd round one year contract next season and retain the right of first refusal for any contract proposal he rec’d from another team.
Oh and by the way I am posting a link to Kolb’s contract details . . . please feel free to post a link citing the bullshitt $6.5M bonus you keep referring to.
Some people act as though franchise QB’s grow on trees. Just because a QB is drafted high doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a franchise QB. A franchise QB needs to win enough to have staying power. How many QB’s in the past 7 years have been dubbed “the future of the franchise” only to turn out to be a flop, or will be a flop? Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, Alex Smith, JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Jason Campbell, Matt Leinart, Kellen Clemens, John Beck, J.P. Losman. Each of these QB’s was drafted in the 1st or 2nd round, they were given their chance, and it became evident that they weren’t the future of their respective franchise. I’m not guaranteeing that Kolb won’t be a success. All I’m saying is that it’s much easier to assume that because he was drafted high that he will be successful than it is for Kolb to actually BE a success.
@SGEagle
Why would the Eagles have to draft a QB this year? McNabb is 33 and coming off a pretty good season and for this season you already have Vick to be the backup if necessary. Plenty of QBs have shown that it is a position you can play and be productive into your late 30s. If they trade Kolb for a 1st and maybe a mid-round pick, they could fill other holes to help the team win now and sign McNabb to another extension.
The Eagles went 11-5 last year but for whatever reason could not beat the Cowboys. Clearly there is some talent on that team and adding 2 first round picks to that mix might be enought to put them over the top. Adding a first rounder might also open them up to be able to sign an RFA to get an established player to fill one of those holes.
@realitypolice
I believe the Eagles would rather have Kolb than Clausen or Bradford, and I doubt Bradford will even be there at #6. It is also possible both will be gone by that time. Then what?
Kolb has shown he has the tools to play in the NFL. He’s been prepped in the system and could start this year and win games. Where you are drafted has no bearing 3 years down the line, unless you think JaMarcus (#1), and Quinn (#22) from that draft are would be more highly coveted.
A bird in the hand is worth at least 2 in the bush as far as I’m concerned, especially at QB.
“…and the game where McNabb got benched against the Ravens in 08, remember Ed Reed taking a Kolb pass for 6. Wasn’t that an NFL record for an INT return?”
What were McNabb’s stats in the game?
Yeah, I remember Reed’s pick, I was amazed that Kolb was able to get in the red zone while McNabb wilted under pressure all day.
i dont care what anyone says. mcnabb is worth more compensation than kolb, hands down. kolb has only played in a handful of games and he hasnt looked better than donovan in any of those games. kolb should be starting but hes not worth 2 1st rd picks.
the only eagle player worth 2 1st round picks are desean jackson & trent cole.
Cameltoecleavage says:
March 11, 2010 12:17 PM
That’s ridiculous why not say Kolby isn’t available if your gonna request some outlandish amount…
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I think it’s more fun this way, because everyone gets all riled up. We won’t trade Kevin Kolb for anything less than 2 first round picks and a brand new stadium filled to the top with beer.
@djzato:
Of course Kolb could not pan out, it’s a risk you take with any young QB. He definitely through picks, but also TD’s and a lot of yards. That pick against the Ravens came after he drove them down the field, that’s why the return was so long.
He’s made some poor decisions, but IMO it’s the kind of thing you would really cut down on with more playing time.
In spite of not being able to practice with the first team when #5 is healthy, in his 2 starts last year he was 64% for 700+ yards, 4 tds and 3 ints. Not too bad.
So they give Kolb a first round tender. What if the CBA goes back and he is an UFA?
Seems like we are risking a lot for what is essentially a throw-away season.
We may be starting McNabb or Hasselbeck (hopefully the good one) in 2011.
What I really can’t wait for is, to see Kolb perform better than 21 other QBS in the league EVERY YEAR….but then the fans and media say he is a bum and can’t play! CAN’T WAIT!!!
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As a sane Eagles fan, I don’t believe that McNabb can’t play…. right now. But can he in 2 years? 3 years? Kolb will still be under 30 in 3 years, and McNabb will be retiring. McNabb’s had 10+ years go win us a super bowl. HE was the reason they didn’t win the Super Bowl against NE. They were VERY close to FG range with ~ 30 seconds on the clock to tie it up, and he’s wandering around like he’s never been on the field before while the clock is running. He’s the one that threw the interceptions. He will not win a Super Bowl in Philly. Its time to move on while he’s WORTH SOMETHING. I usually sell a used car while its still worth something than to let it go until it breaks down beyond repair.
@mooch
And what was McNabb’s reaction to the benching??? He started the next game and beat the Cards on Thanksgiving night by 4 TD’s. Took us back to the playoffs, where we beat the Vikings and Giants on the road, and should’ve beat the Cards.
My point is, McNabb is 33 and coming off his best season stats wise in his career….Kolb, is and will always be just a good backup.
The Eagles play calling and defense need to improve…not the QB situation.
Mooch says:
March 11, 2010 12:45 PM
“…and the game where McNabb got benched against the Ravens in 08, remember Ed Reed taking a Kolb pass for 6. Wasn’t that an NFL record for an INT return?”
What were McNabb’s stats in the game?
Yeah, I remember Reed’s pick, I was amazed that Kolb was able to get in the red zone while McNabb wilted under pressure all day.
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Here are Kolb’s 2008 passing stats, most of which came in mop-up time, with the exception of the Ravens game:
vs STL- 5 comp 6 att 53 yds 0 tds o ints
vs PIT- 2 comp 3 att 18 yds 0 tds 1 int
vs BAL- 10 comp 23 att 73 yds 0 tds 2 ints
vs CLE- 0 comp 2 att 0 yds 0 tds 1 int
Are you really going to complain about McNabb’s occasional pass in the dirt when comparing Kolb’s numbers to McNabb’s? I’m not even going to dwell on the fact that Kolb has the running speed of an offensive lineman, making him an easy target for pass rushers.
@BroncoBourque
See BleedGreen’s comment
Kolb is not worth two first round picks and Reid knows it all too well. Because of what he has shown thus far, Reid knew to ask something fairly high because of the weak free agency class, even with Anderson being cut and Quinn being available for trade, Kolb is a hot commodity for teams in need.
With all that said, Philadelphia will likely part ways with Kolb for the 14th overall pick and a pick in the 2011 NFL draft, I believe Seattle is trying to fill the need so they can officially sign Marshall to a contract. It makes sense, and Seattle knows better then to use the ‘poison pill’ that some idiot named Florio mentioned, because if the league thought it was wrong enough they could force Seattle to forfeit draft picks.
YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS.
THE EAGLES SAID THEY DONT WANT TO TRADE KOLB OR MCNABB. Not that they want a 2 1sts for Kolb. They want Kolb on the team and the only way a team could pry him out of philly would be for 2 1st round picks.
Philly is not setting the bar high so they can negotiate down to something else and they are not trying to trick a team into offering 1 1st round because they are asking for 2. They arent even asking for 2. If you guys listen to the whole story teams are calling the Eagles and they arent even telling them what it will take to get the players. Jason La Confora is saying thats what people think it will take to trade for Kolb or Mcnabb.
Its flat it is what it is. They dont want to give up Kolb and they flat out arent going to give him up for anything less then what they think hes worth. They think hes a future ProBowl franchise Qb and they arent going to let him go for less then the 2 1′s.
It doesnt matter what any other organization or their fans think Kolb is worth. It only matters what the Eagles think he is worth. It would be different if the Eagles were trying to trade Kolb but their not. They arent even letting teams offer trades for him. They dont want him to go so they can ask what ever price they want for him and if another team doesnt give them exactly that they will be VERY HAPPY not to trade him.
I dont even know if they would trade him for 2 first round picks. I think hes un-buy-able(not a word) unless its extremely outrageous and I dont think 2 1′s is outrageous enough to get Kolb.
I thought of that – treat this like a furniture store…mark it up and then “discount” it to the price you wanted to charge all along.
make them feel like they raked you over the coles and got a deal.
Could be.
@toe-to-toe bird law
What is the point of showing the ’08 stats? The reason Kolb has value is the potential, and pretty good numbers, he displayed in his two starts in ’09.
To Pete Carrol:
We want both your 1st rounders for Kolb. Lower your flags and march straight back to Seattle, stopping at every home you pass by to beg forgiveness for ten years of payoffs, false grading and recruitng violatons at USC. Do it, and you will have a QB. Do it not, and you NFL career shall perish today. Also, before we let you leave, your coordinators must cross that field, present themseves before this team, put their heads between their legs, and kiss their own arses.
Sincerely,
Andy Reid
SGEagles says:
March 11, 2010 2:02 PM
@toe-to-toe bird law
What is the point of showing the ’08 stats? The reason Kolb has value is the potential, and pretty good numbers, he displayed in his two starts in ’09.
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I posted them because everyone is looking at those 2 games from 2009 and ONLY those 2 games. You need to consider his full body of work, however brief it may be, when measuring his ability.
Hmm, not many teams want McNabb yet the national hack sports media condems us philly fans. For example those losers over at “Mike and Mike”.
So two first for a career of : 60.8% completion pct. 885 pass yards, 6.8 yards avg, and 4 TDs to 7 Ints. alot to pay for some potential and 2 nice games.
diehard82 says:
March 11, 2010 10:39 AM
Seattle is rebuilding and can tolerate several years of Kolb development. Can Philly?
What do you think Kolb has been doing the last 3 years? Delivering Cheese Steaks to Andy Reid? Well thats right but he also has been developing too.
He has already had his struggles in year 1 in spot play. Got better in year 2 in spot play. And in year 3 was the ONLY qb in NFL HISTORY to pass for over 300 yards in his 1st 2 starts.
When Kolb steps in as the starter there will be no developing. He will take over like Matt Shaub, Tony Romo, and Aaron Rodgers did (just to name a few) after being trained for 3 years.
Everyone here is talking like the Eagles are asking for 2 1st round picks for Kolb thats not true. Teams have called philly asking about Kolb and Mcnabb and the Eagles told them they arent allowed to even make an offer. They also didnt say what it would take to acquire 1 of the 2. They also said they arent trading Mcnabb or Kolb.
What Sal Pal(idiot) and Jason La Confora are saying is THEY THINK that it will take a 1st for Mcnabb and 2 1st for Kolb. They werent saying thats what the Eagles are telling people. Actually the opposite their saying the Eagles are saying nothing.
Kolb is the heir apparent and isnt going anywhere. It doesnt matter if Seattle Cleveland etc. think hes only worth a 2nd because Reid thinks hes worth alot more. And because Reid doesnt want to trade him it will take at least what Reid thinks hes worth and probably more to get him to part with Kolb.
You guys dont seem to understand how much Reid likes Kolb. Reid was in the Eagles locker room 10 years ago and was watching a Texas high school game and fell in love with the sophomore qb. It ended up being Kolb. Andy Reid watched every single 1 of his high school games and every single 1 of his college games. He feels like he discovered Kolb and thats why he drafted him with the Eagles 1st pick in 2007. He said since the 1st time he seen him play in high school that he knew he was going to be a starting qb in the NFL.
Think about that and you will realize why Reid will not trade him for anything less then 2 1′s. I think it will take even more then that. If Seattle or any other team doesnt meet exactly what Reid wants then they can forget about Kolb.
MrHumble says:
March 11, 2010 10:51 AM
You know nothing about the Eagles. They sat with Kolb and Mcnabb on the roster for 2 years already and they even decided to add Vick to the puzzle last year. They have no problem having Mcnabb and Kolb on the roster for another year. Andy Reid wants Mcnabb on the roster and he wants Kolb and the roster. They are keeping Vick around right now just in case they trade Kolb or Mcnabb that way they could have a capable backup. They will trade Vick or Mcnabb if they get a great offer for either 1. Kolb isnt going anywhere. Time isnt against the Eagles because they dont care if they trade any of their qbs.
The Eagles want to give Mcnabb 1 more chance to get it done and have Kolb there to take over in the future. This has been their plan for the last 3 years and arent going to change it unless they get a very good offer for Mcnabb.
diehard82 says:
March 11, 2010 11:04 AM
birdman – are you telling me Philly would pass up a 1st and 4th for Kolb now? That’s #14 and #101. Would they really pass that up to sit Kolb for another year and then CUT McNabb? Given the fact that they won’t be able to trade either one next year, it would make for a very expensive backup QB given the opportunity cost of no picks in return.
That exactly what hes saying. Andy Reid wants Kolb as his qb for the future and knows Mcnabb has 1 more year in the city. Why would he trade a qb he has been grooming for 3 years for a 1st round pick and 4th. He would have to pick a qb with the 1st . Why would he want to do that when he knows none of the qbs in the draft are better then Kolb.
The Eagles arent going to trade a qb they groomed for 3 years for a hope of drafting another qb this year to be as good as him but still would be 3 years behind kolb in learing the Eagles sytem just to get an extra 4th rounder.
The draft is a gamble especially at the qb position so if they trade Kolb for a 1st round pick and he sucks the Eagles are down a qb with nothing to show for it except a 4th rounder who could end up sucking too.
Its just dumb to think the Eagles are going to trade the qb they are planning to use as their starter in the very near future.
Its like saying the Patriots should have trade Tom Brady the year before he started and kept Drew Bledsoe or saying the Cowboys should have trade Tony Romo and kept Drew Bledsoe. Its just dumb.
toe-to-toe bird law says:
March 11, 2010 4:16 PM
SGEagles says:
March 11, 2010 2:02 PM
@toe-to-toe bird law
What is the point of showing the ’08 stats? The reason Kolb has value is the potential, and pretty good numbers, he displayed in his two starts in ’09.
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I posted them because everyone is looking at those 2 games from 2009 and ONLY those 2 games. You need to consider his full body of work, however brief it may be, when measuring his ability.
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Ok toe but those stats are in mop duty like you said. Either when the team was blowing out another team or getting blown out. The people on the field with Kolb were backups or simply werent trying anymore because the game was over.
The 2 games in 09 were STARTS which is a big difference. He passed for 300 yards against the superbowl champs plus 3 ints with limited time to prepare because they thought Mcnabb could start. The next game he had a full week of preperation as the starter and passed for 300+ yards again even though it was against the cheifs it was an NFL team.
He finally had a full team around him in 09 that was all starter and who were trying the whole time to play their best and not just get the game over with. Plus he was the starter in those games and got a full week of preperation for 1 .
What happened in 09 is a better look at his potential then in 08 and 07 when he was young.
Kolb for two first round picks in the top 14…..hahahahahahahhaha. This would be the worst trade of all time. Kevin Kolb does not make this team better. Okung,Berry,Bulugga,Oderick two of these players would make the Hawks better. With Kolb instead of 5 wins, the hawks would win 2.