Since the latest legal entanglement involving Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has dominated much of the discussion this week, why not close it out with a PFTV segment regarding the case?
Actually, let’s talk about both cases. Nevada and Georgia.
What if any connection exists? PFTV explores.
Obsessed much?
where is sexburgh anyway?
Dumb and Dumber is the real connection here.
ok…I was waiting for you two to compare the two cases or make a connection…I’m still waiting, way to go Nancy Grace would be proud
You know, if Big Ben would make even a casual acquaintence with a bar of soap and a bottle of shampoo he may not have to force women to have sex with him. What a greasy bastard.
Big Ben is the king of pen island.
The biggest connection so far is that no arrest has been made and no charges have been filed, in either case.
Move along, nothing to see here.
Go Steelers.
Nevada woman needs money, falls back on one-niter with wealthy athlete and sues claiming rape, probably assuming he’ll settle rather than have his reputation dragged through the mud for a year. He decides to fight. Her case is weak because she never filed charges and evidence surfaces indicating she’s lying. It seems likely athlete will prevail.
Athlete goes to college bar to celebrate 28th birthday. Spends all evening partying with Georgia woman.
Georgia woman leaves club and brings assault charge, hires personal injury attorney within 48 hours (atypical behavior for sexual assault victims). Even if no criminal charges are filed, she almost certainly will file civil suit.
Now Georgia’s case will bolster Nevada’s case. Nevada’s case will bolster Georgia’s case.
Even if there’s no evidence of criminal wrongdoing and athlete is never charged with a crime, in all likelihood he will be forced to settle both complaints. Women will make off like bandits with big $$$. Athlete will forever be branded a rapist in the court of public opinion and small minds of PFT readers who make inane comments about smoke and fire.
Meanwhile, nothing will have been done to help a single real assault victim or punish a single sexual predator.
Let’s see how this measures up to Pacman Jones and Plaxico Burress. Roger Goodell needs to make an example of this guy.
Deb Let is go. Your QB is a sexual deviant.
He is a Gobshite all the same
Not a Steelers fan, and I think Big Ben is starting to swim in dangerous waters, but I’m a little appalled that PFT is making it their duty to further slander this guys name. You guys don’t know jack shit about it. And it seems to me that Florio has always had a beef with Ben.
I wonder how an ankle bracelet monitor will affect his throwing motion?
Deb, sounds like you’ve got it all figured out. Just out of curiosity, do you have a favorite football team?
Deb, we won’t able to convince the children posting here as to the current facts that have been in public. They will continue to make things up, make innuendo, throw out the “rape” word repeatedly as if to make is a meaningless thing, say Ben smacked her head intentionally, got her drunk, etc etc. It gets tiring, and I have found myself repeating the same things I have said before.
Hopefully, the criminal situation should come to its next conclusion sooner than later, and we can all deal with that.
Nothing can stop the girl from filing a civil suit that will drag on well into and likely after the football season unless Ben decides to settle, which will also be unfortunate. With the statement that came out, I would expect her to do that. But, I will be very interested to find out the background the of girl when she files the suit, since all of that will come out, just like it did for McNulty. And then people found out the type of person she was, which helped to reverse the negative feelings about Ben at that time. That could happen again.
For Ben’s personal sake, I really hope he grows up and is more careful with his behavior, notwithstanding he is a young rich well-known unmarried guy.
If he is not convicted of any wrongdoing, he will the Steelers QB and with the full right to play pro football, just like Lewis, Vick, Stallworth and many others.
Deb,
Very well put. Charges like this and accusations like this are serious. Regardless if you LIKE Roethlisberger or not is not the issue……..if these women are lying, then it only hurts actual assault victims everywhere and tarnishes an innocent man’s reputation forever in the eyes of the public. Put yourself in his shoes….this goes beyond football.
Georgia woman leaves club and brings assault charge, hires personal injury attorney within 48 hours (atypical behavior for sexual assault victims). Even if no criminal charges are filed, she almost certainly will file civil suit.
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Seen this line a few times now.
1.) How many perpetrators of sexual assault actually have anything worth taking?
Sure. It may be ‘atypical,’but the real question isn’t whether it’s typical. In most cases, the victim of the crime would be wasting her own time and money by hiring a personal injury lawyer and frankly most personal injury lawyers wouldn’t take the case because the chances of getting an outcome that is profitable would be nil.
2.) So on that level, is it a logical/plausible act?
If she feels she was victimized and if she feels some degree of desire to personally punish the man who victimized her, I would say it’s an extremely logical and plausible act to attempt to do this. The law does not view an act like this as a crime against the victim. It essentially views the act as a crime against the state. It is prosecuted as a crime against the state and sentenced, if the defendant is found guilty, as a crime against the state.
I am not going to say anything about the woman in Nevada because I don’t know anything about the case.
But if this happened and if she feels the man who did this must be punished by her on a personal level, this is pretty much her only avenue for doing it. As stated before, this perpetrator is not like other perpetrators, he is publicly known to be wealthy. As such, she has means to do so that other victims do not have.
3.) Is it noble or classy that she is doing it this way?
No, but I don’t recall a single set of criteria that requires a victim of a crime to be either ennobling or classy.
If the man did assault her, then more power to her. I hope she takes him for millions because it is the only way that our legal system is really going to compensate her for the ordeal.
If the man did not assault her, then I hope she gets nothing.
In either case, I don’t see anything strange about her current actions.
Florio is more of a TMZ guy.
# raidresnation says: March 12, 2010 4:18 PM
“Deb Let is go. Your QB is a sexual deviant.”
And of course you have proof of this?
Then by all means contact the Milledgeville PD, as they don’t seem to have the evidence you claim to possess.
@Deb
Good Post. Nothing will come of this except 2 settlements. If he wanted to give up several millions of dollars, I know of plenty of worthy charities that could of used it.
Devils Advocate says:
March 12, 2010 3:42 PM
where is sexburgh anyway?
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It is either in the state that looks like a dong (Florida) or the state that looks like a stuffed vagina (South Carolina)
Can we all stop calling him Big Ben for God sake? What a stupid nickname.
Deb, once again you make too much sense for the 12 year old, small minded, fail trolls on this “blog.” I remember the days when trolling meant something LOL.
For all you “Steelers” fans who are ready to let Ben go or want Ben out, pick another team or go watch baseball so that the REAL Steelers fans can continue supporting this awesome franchise.
As a fan, if you can’t separate the player from the person I feel bad for you. As Charles Barkley said, “I am not a role model.” Pro athletes are not heroes. Look at the perception that was painted of Tiger Woods and look how that turned out! Don’t always believe what the media feeds you, and please for humanity’s sake find better role models than professional athletes people.
Know a lot about sexual deviants, do you, raid-res?
I really think Florio would do this to any player much less a high profile player and double much less a high profile 2 time super bowl winning qb.
I’m glad he posts these types of things. If there is something like this going on, I want to know. No, I probably don’t have a right to the info I suppose but since it’s 2010 and dude is smackass in the public eye anyway, I say Ben’s pretty much fair game for social commentary– i.e. carry on Florio!
Why are so many PFT links broken?
Deb and stiller43:
The idea that the police are thinking about DNA evidence suggests more than a dirty look happened. Ben is in trouble.
Ben is a turd.
OK Deb, we get it. You’re a Steeler fan. Save the speech for other Steeler fans. Nobody else cares.
Your QB is a serial rapist, and the only thing keeping his career intact (if you could call it “intact”) right now is that some redneck DA down in Georgia has to prepare an iron-clad case built to withstand the high-priced attorneys that Rapistberger has already hired. Dangit, Rapistberger is innocent, and an innocent man needs a whole crew of high-priced lawyers and detectives, and always resorts to mud-slinging to protect themselves (and if you actually believe any of that, congrats on being even dumber than the other redneck Steeler fans). Unfortunately for him, those lawyers won’t be around when his money and career are gone, he is totally banished from the NFL (like OJ) and other victims come out of the woodwork to sue him as well. Rapistberger deserves every bit of it, and I’m going to laugh my ass off watching justice take its course. Rapists are scum, and this asshole Rapistberger is the king of them all (being a SERIAL RAPIST and all).
However, none of that matters now. Rapistberger’s reputation is forever ruined, every person with a brain knows he raped those people (no really, she just fell and hit her head… Big Jen didn’t do nuttin, he’s the victim in all these rape accusations).
I don’t know what’s more disgusting: The fact that the NFL and law enforcement have ignored the numerous obvious signs enabling this scumbag to keep raping people, or all the Pissburgh fans spewing insults and vitriol at his rape victims (just because he played football for their favorite team). Pissburgh truly has ZERO class. Congrats for proving to the world how truly classless Pissburgh really is, Deb.
seems to me that Florio likes “Beef” if ya know what I mean…..wink wink
I have a theory that it’s more how he treats these women during/after the act than the act itself that’s more the cause of these accusations.
We already have seen that he pretty much has a rep for not treating people very well in all walks of his life. Let alone the ladies.
He probably just treats women like he does all those other people we’ve heard/read about who he feels are put on earth to serve him or that he can’t be bothered with being polite to. Only you do that to the wrong woman and she can get her revenge via lawsuit.
I read Malcom Gladwell’s book in which he has a story about malpractice suits being heavily skewed towards doctors who are complete assholes to their patients, regardless of their actual competence while the docs who are kind and listen to their patients, even if they don’t know more that the nasty docs get sued far far less often. Makes sense to me.
Bailiff, whack his pee pee. Roger Goddell to suspend Benny boy 3-5 years . Fine Benny boy $10M and if Benny boy wants back in the NFL the $10M goes to sexual assult causes and Benny boy agrees to 5 years community service (1500+) hours per year/ per playing time/season. To play he must deliver money and community service.
If you’re going to put a video link, please tell us ahead of time. Some of us are supposed to be doing work, and aren’t allowed to view such things.
@NFLMMAfan, thanks for clearing that up. Guess this is the first Roethlisberger thread you’ve visited. Let me summarize my five million posts.
Ben has admitted sexual contact, which makes the DNA a formality. The police said there was no rape. They have called it “sexual manipulation.” That may mean anything from digital rape to grabbing of crotch, breast, or buttocks to oral sex or a hand job. Even if they only kissed, she could have his DNA on her body in the form of hair or saliva. Because he said there was a consensual sex act, I’m inclined to believe there is semen. But since he isn’t denying sexual contact, that’s to be expected.
He shouldn’t give up his DNA because it is his right to remain silent (which includes keeping his DNA to himself). Never give up your rights. The police are not your friends just because you are innocent.
Ben is not my hero. He has behaved like an idiot. But the burden of proof is on the prosecution. I have experience with sexual assault and assault survivors. Never known one to hire a personal injury attorney, as Georgia did. She’s obviously planning a civil suit for $$$$$. I’ve read all the court filings in the Nevada case. She bragged to friends about having sex with him and wanting his baby. She needed $$$$. She sued for $$$$$. Everyone seems to have $$$$$ on the brain. Never known a rape victim who was thinking about $$$$$.
I hate men who sexually and physically abuse women. I despise women who claim to have been abused when they weren’t as a means to an end. Unfortunately, both abuse and false claims happen a lot.
Yes, Ben is in trouble. But that doesn’t mean he did anything worse than acting like a frat boy and hooking up with the wrong women.
@ Deb…”Meanwhile, nothing will have been done to help a single real assault victim or punish a single sexual predator.”
Are you delirious? If he’s guilty, getting Rapenstein put away makes women safer. The two women you cite will certainly feel safer.
Hoinone09,
Benny is the child, not us.
@Jimmy …
I can’t stand the Raiders and I’ve posted almost as much defending Tom Cable’s rights and criticizing women’s organizations for digging up 20-year-old domestic complaints and demanding he be fired over them. I’ve also defended Michael Irvin, and I can’t stand the Cowboys. And I’ve written about the moronic sentence handed down to Plaxico Burress.
I take a very hard line on crime. But one reason we keep letting DANGEROUS people out of prison is because we keep taking up limited prison space with numbnuts like Burress who are not a danger to society. The guy dropped a gun down his britches! He had a permit. No, it wasn’t valid in New York. But two years? Come on.
Why can’t we keep track of real sexual predators? Because the registry is filled with 19-year-olds who had consensual sex with their 16-year-old girlfriends and other people like that. Google the Hofstra case. Woman has consensual sex with four guys then decides her boyfriend won’t like it. So she accuses them of rape. Prosecutors were all over that until she admitted she lied. But several years ago we actually let out of prison a guy who raped a 14-year-old, chopped off her arms with an ax, and threw her in a ditch to die.
I’ll admit I wouldn’t have paid such close attention if Ben didn’t play for the Steelers. But I’m PISSED because I’ve read the documentation in Nevada and believe she lied to extort money. Since the first thing Georgia did was hire a personal injury lawyer, I’m kinda skeptical about her, too. And as we discuss this, they’re burying two teenagers in California raped and murdered by a real sexual predator who was freed from prison.
It’s bigger than football.
The major connection between these two cases is the presence of a certain SERIAL RAPIST. I’m just wondering how long it’ll be before other women start speaking up. Serial rapists are usually (as in, 98% of the time) sociopaths, and sociopaths are incapable of seeing their own actions as “wrong” and tend to repeat their crimes as a result. I’m willing to bet there are dozens (if not more) victims that have been hurt by this creepy SERIAL RAPIST but are afraid to speak up because of the damage it would do to their lives/reputation/etc.
Yeah, Little Jen Rapistberger is in a LOT of trouble. And I’m going to laugh my ass off watching him get banished permanently from the NFL, and watching all these scumbag neanderthal Steeler fans (i.e, Deb) try to justify it all. Never thought I’d see a woman try to rationalize serial rape, but then again, I have this tendency to underestimate the idiocy and sleaziness of Pittsburgh.
Deb and the other Steeler fans sticking up for a SERIAL RAPIST, hope you realize the rest of the NFL sees your team as scum right now. You’re not helping the situation.
# Deb says: March 12, 2010 5:11 PM
Why are so many PFT links broken?
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It goes well beyond a few links being broken IMO. The functionality of the site sucks, as does the maintenance of certain information, like the draft order (2009 is still up) the search capability, the posting process (takes too long) plus a few other issues (still no ratings) etc.
When it was just a guy, Florio, and a few part timers working out of his house/office or whatever in Clarksburg, WV it was acceptable. A guy starting and funding a business on his own dime and succeeding quite nicely. There are loyal fans on this site who’ve been here for years, including me.
But when NBC acquired the business I certainly had expectations that some monies would be invested in upgrading the site, functionality, equipment, site design, etc. So far it looks like the hamsters never left.
NBC Sports will probably spend upwards of $200K to send 6-10 people to the upcoming NFL owners meeting in Hawaii. And yet they don’t seem to have invested anything into upgrading this site.
I’m a fan of this website and think Florio has done an excellent job building the site and a loyal following, but when you’re a large corporation (NBC) and you make an acquisition you usually do something to improve it, like allocating some funding.
“an update every day or two”?
you’re freakin’obsessed florio! i know it’s the off season and all, but geez, give it a rest until there are real facts to report. all you’re doing is providing a playground for the social and intellectual retards to make they’re insane “rapist” comments. is that what you want this site to become?
aw, who the hell i’m i kidding, this site has been that for years now.
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ECS – Brougham Boys 74 says: March 12, 2010 6:14 PM
“The major connection between these two cases is the presence of a certain SERIAL RAPIST.”
Yeah, we get it, we got it the first five times you said it. And typing in all caps makes it even more important. [eyeroll]
However, barring an arrest or even the slightest hint of a formal charge, it’s nothing more than wishful thinking on your part.
Grow up.
@ECS – Brougham Boys 74 …
As someone who’s spent hours with many rape and assault survivors and who has personal experience on the subject, I don’t defend rapists or abusers. I defend due process. And I try to defend a system that shouldn’t be clogged with false claims from people whose agendas have nothing to do with seeking criminal justice and protecting women.
Interesting, preacher, how you find it all so amusing. And your concern for the damaged women of the world is truly touching. I try really hard not to wish karmic justice on people. You’re the first person I’ve encountered on the boards low enough that I’m tempted to make an exception.
southFLAsteel says: March 12, 2010 7:00 PM
you’re freakin’obsessed florio! i know it’s the off season and all, but geez, give it a rest until there are real facts to report. all you’re doing is providing a playground for the social and intellectual retards to make they’re insane “rapist” comments. is that what you want this site to become?”
Of course it is.
Florio is the Jerry Springer of sports reporting.
All DNA will prove is that he was there. It will not prove that a sexual assault occurred. If they were the only 2 in the room then it still comes down to her word versus his.
Once again Deb….excellent posts!!
@suvantar …
Don’t make assumptions about sexual abusers. I’ve known women who were assaulted by wealthy men. But of the many rape and assault survivors I’ve known, not one ever expressed a desire for financial compensation. All either wanted to forget it or wanted the guy imprisoned, mutilated, or dead. But ultimately, I can only speak for myself. The idea of seeking compensation for being used against my will makes my skin crawl. People can take a lot from you, but they can’t take your dignity unless you give it to them. Suggesting I could be “compensated” for money would be giving up my dignity.
@Poo Flinging Monkey …
If he did it, yes, I’d want steps taken to ensure he wouldn’t hurt anymore women. Paying settlements would not do that. But people fail to realize that as of now not one tidbit of evidence has been presented against him. We have only Andrea McNulty’s story. Her account of events is flimsy and contradicted by other independent evidence. There’s not one shred of corroborating evidence. And NOTHING so far has been presented in Georgia. If I see evidence of a crime, as opposed to consensual sex, I’ll be ready to hang Ben along with the rest of you.
Deb says: March 12, 2010 8:59 PM
“People can take a lot from you, but they can’t take your dignity unless you give it to them. Suggesting I could be “compensated” for money would be giving up my dignity.”
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Holeinone09 says:
March 12, 2010 4:40 PM
Deb, we won’t able to convince the children posting here as to the current facts that have been in public. They will continue to make things up, make innuendo, throw out the “rape” word repeatedly as if to make is a meaningless thing, say Ben smacked her head intentionally, got her drunk, etc etc. It gets tiring, and I have found myself repeating the same things I have said before.
Hopefully, the criminal situation should come to its next conclusion sooner than later, and we can all deal with that.
Nothing can stop the girl from filing a civil suit that will drag on well into and likely after the football season unless Ben decides to settle, which will also be unfortunate. With the statement that came out, I would expect her to do that. But, I will be very interested to find out the background the of girl when she files the suit, since all of that will come out, just like it did for McNulty. And then people found out the type of person she was, which helped to reverse the negative feelings about Ben at that time. That could happen again.
For Ben’s personal sake, I really hope he grows up and is more careful with his behavior, notwithstanding he is a young rich well-known unmarried guy.
If he is not convicted of any wrongdoing, he will the Steelers QB and with the full right to play pro football, just like Lewis, Vick, Stallworth and many others.
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Have you even remotely considered that Ben Roethlisberger DID sexually assault that woman????
People like you are telling us not to prejudge Roethlisberger, and in the same breath you are condemning this woman as a gold-digging drunken whore!
YOU don’t know what went on that night. YOU don’t know if Roethlisberger is a decent upsatnding citizen or a leacherous pig.
What we DO know is that she was underage, that he admitted to bringing her to three different bars, that he admitted to buying her booze, and that he admitted having some form of sex (“not intercourse”) IN A LADY’S ROOM, that he says she consented to, and that somehow, mysteriously enough to Ben, her head got bashed in inside that rest room.
Oh, and we know one more thing: she says it wasn’t consensual, that he assaulted her.
We also know that a 28 year old veteran NFL Super Bowl wining quarterback, once accused of sexual assault, was traipsing around college kids like a “Big Man On Campus” wearing a T Shirt with the image of Satan on it, and generally behaved like a sick, creepy old dude wanting to still be seventeen.
When the hell are you blind-a$$ Steelers fans going to wrap your heads around these FACTS?
Do you want this jacka$$ around YOUR daughters?
Florio, under the federal rules of evidence I don’t think it is likely, based on what we know, that evidence of one bad act would be used at another trial. The rule on prior bad acts provides very narrow exceptions to the prohibition on such evidence.. if he is not charged (and convicted) in Nevada then I would say it is a near certainty that a Georgia jury would hear about that bad act.
At what point does Goodell suspend Big Ben? This is certainly a big black eye for the league. If Goodell doesn’t address it at some point then he and his policies will lose all credibility.
@Richm2256 … Facts? Sure.
1. The only thing filed with the Nevada court is Andrea McNulty’s verbal assertion of rape, included with her $3 million civil suit. Her account is brief and sketchy. She’s much more detailed about her bizarre disputes with her coworkers, whom she also sued.
2. A lot of material has been presented disputing McNulty, NONE so far corroborating her.
3. ALL the police in Georgia have said is that a 20-year-old woman and her party met Ben and his party while they were all out clubbing and she later made an accusation of “sexual manipulation.” This woman, too, has taken steps preparatory to filing a civil claim.
4. Except for TWO women who didn’t like his language, EVERY person interviewed who saw him that night has described him as well-behaved.
Those are the ONLY “facts” we have. I think we pretty well have our head wrapped around them.
Here are a couple more though:
1. As long as I’ve been on PFT you’ve posted venom about the Steelers team, players, coaches, and fans on EVERY Steelers thread.
2. Though you know she’s an adult, you persist in referring to this woman as underage.
3. Though you know she was out clubbing when they met, you insist on portaying him as dragging her to bars.
3. You are obsessed with the idea of someone having sex in a bathroom. Not everyone does the same stuff, Rich.
Look, I’m a church-goer, don’t pick up guys in bars, and don’t have sex in nightclub bathrooms. But … did you go to college?!? A lot of grad students are Ben’s age and they do sometimes “mingle” with the undergrads. People get drunk and fall down. People have sex in bathrooms. Where have you been??? You’re calling a 28-year-old a “creepy old dude” for hooking up with a 20-year-0ld?
You’re proclaiming a guy guilty of rape and assault just because someone pointed a finger. Nothing else. SO FAR, NO CORROBORATING EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER. ZIP. NADA.
But he did it. Lock up the women and children.
You sound like you wrapped your head around a pole or some bad acid. Get help.
Crap … I just posted a list that reads 1, 2, 3, 3.
This is what happens when I keep talking to nuts.
poorrichard says: March 13, 2010 12:16 AM
“At what point does Goodell suspend Big Ben?”
Suspend him for what?
He hasn’t been arrested, and no charges have even been filed against him.
It’s pretty clear that it’s not that people here don’t understand this, they don’t want to understand it.
IOW, they’re rooting for him to be guilty, whether any evidence of any crime ever materializes or not.
Deb says:
Ben is not my hero. He has behaved like an idiot. But the burden of proof is on the prosecution. I have experience with sexual assault and assault survivors. Never known one to hire a personal injury attorney, as Georgia did
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And in all your experiences, have any of your “survivors” ever been assaulted by a world-reknowned celebrity with millions of dollars for a crack legal team and attracting a media throng of reporters, satelite trucks, and cameras?
Because she is facing such a high-level offender with a legal team that got Ray Lewis off of a murder charge, the girl’s family decides to hire their own lawyer and YOU decide that this means she’s in it for a civil suit and the money?
Please Deb, rape/sexual assault victims DO NOT need an advocate who thinks like THAT. Holy crap, how do you look these women in the eyes with logic like this? Do you ask these women what kinds of clothing they wore at the times of their attacks, ask them “did you maybe lead that guy on with what you were saying to him?”
Take off your damn Steelers blinders, Deb. Consider the possibilty that this guy is a PIG! How can someone who claims to work with sexual assault victims be so close-minded that Roethlisberger is innocent and the “victim” is a drunken, money-grubbing slut????
Deb says:
Ben has admitted sexual contact, which makes the DNA a formality.
Because he said there was a consensual sex act, I’m inclined to believe there is semen. But since he isn’t denying sexual contact, that’s to be expected.
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Gee, do you think the reason he admitted sexual contact was because his lawyers KNEW there was semen and Roethlisberger COULDN’T deny any sexual contact??? And their only way of explaining the presence of semen, of course, is to say that no intercourse occurred (semen must not have been in her vagina, which doesn’t mean he DIDN’T have intercourse, only that he didn’t ejaculate there) and say that anything that DID occur happened with her consent.
Love to hear his explanation under oath for how she hit her head though.
Deb says:
I take a very hard line on crime. But one reason we keep letting DANGEROUS people out of prison is because we keep taking up limited prison space with numbnuts like Burress who are not a danger to society. The guy dropped a gun down his britches! He had a permit. No, it wasn’t valid in New York. But two years? Come on.
Why can’t we keep track of real sexual predators? Because the registry is filled with 19-year-olds who had consensual sex with their 16-year-old girlfriends and other people like that. Google the Hofstra case. Woman has consensual sex with four guys then decides her boyfriend won’t like it. So she accuses them of rape.
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You have lost all credibility with these posts, Deb. I highly doubt you are in the field you claim to be. Your views are just too biased and immature to be believable.
You really believe that most sexual offenders are 19 year olds who had consensual sex with 16 year olds who turn around and claim “rape”????
You really believe that Plaxico Burress isn’t a danger to society, simply because his loaded weapon fell carelessly out of his waistband at an angle that caused injury to himself rather than a totally innocent bystander?
You are one f–ked up person. How in the hell did YOU ever get in a position of contact with women who were sexually victimized by men???? I don’t believe that you ARE.
@richman2256 — can you please provied a link or an article that states Ben admits to buying her drinks. I have yet to see this mentioned anywhere. And from what I understand, being under 21 does not mean she couldn’t be in the bar. Like I said though, I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere that Ben says he bought her drinks. And he brought her to 3 different bars? Meaning what? He picked her up and carried her…or she walked there on her own? If she walked there on her own, then he didn’t “bring” her there.
And wow….a t-shirt with Satan on it?? Well hell, he’s guilty just because of that!! Ridiculous!!
Deb says:
If I see evidence of a crime, as opposed to consensual sex, I’ll be ready to hang Ben along with the rest of you.
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Let’s see, we have an agreement by Roethlisberger that some form of sexual contact took place, we have a DA seeking Roethlisberger’s DNA, we have an agreement by Roethlisberger that the “victim” injured her head, and we have a victim claiming sexual assault here, and all of this means NOTHING to you?
Yet you claim to be someone who has “spent hours with many rape and assault survivors and who has personal experience on the subject”. You claim that you ” don’t defend rapists or abusers”. You claim that you “defend due process”.
This girl in Georgia has made a complaint of sexual asault, yet you have painted her as a gold-digging slut based on no evidence yourself. Where is the “victim’s” due process Deb? All you have is that she has hired an attorney herself, and tell us that in HER position against a world famous millionaire, you wouldn’t do the exact same thing??? You have defended Roethlisberger’s inocence despite the fact that he has taken a typical assaulter’s stance of “it was consensual”, in spite of the evidence of physical damage to her HEAD.
Deb says: “And I try to defend a system that shouldn’t be clogged with false claims from people whose agendas have nothing to do with seeking criminal justice and protecting women.”
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Wow. This is the point of view of someone who claims to be an advocate for abused and assaulted women??????????
Maybe if more millionaires raped women, more victims would hire personal injury lawyers right away. I gotta think your average rapist is not a wealthy person in which a civil suit would compenste the victim for her time & troubles.
richm2256, you clearly have not read any of my posts except the one you responded to above. I, and many other Steeler fans, have been very critical of Ben to the point of saying if he is PROVEN to have done something wrong he should be cut. But even if not guilty of any crime, he is guilty of poor judgment at the very least, and I and others have said he should be held accountable, including suspended, fined, etc for stupid behavior for someone in his position.
But holy shit you are on a lynching campaign and for some reason are OBSESSED with non-stop posting on every thread this issue is mentioned. For God’s sake man, you probably did your first post this morning from your bed!
Tell me ONE thing…what has been PROVEN that he did, other than his admission of having ‘sexual contact” with this girl that we know nothing about? Strictly speaking, a 28 year old having “sexual contact” with a 20 year old is not illegal last time I checked. And correct me if I am wrong, but so far, Ben has not been charged with anything. She has apparently alleged assault, but so far Ben has not been CHARGED. Do you disagree with that assessment?
Do you know if Ben knew she was underage, or even had anything to do with her getting into the bar? Isn’t the bar supposed to check IDs? If she is so pure, why in the hell was she in a bar when she was underage? Did Ben FORCE her to go into the bar?
If and when he is charged, that will be another matter, and yet another matter if and when he is PROVEN to be guiltly. Sorry for me and others standing up for the US Constitution and citizen rights, unlike you apparently. You have declared him guilty. Do you live in a foreign country?
You say I don’t know what went on, which I agree with, and neither do YOU know.
While Ben has been crucified (his own fault) we still don’t know a damn thing about the girl, and I am not saying she is a slut since I don’t know. We did find out McNulty is apparently an unstable gold digger.
As I said, I am waiting for the outcome and some real facts to come out, Ben has issues and needs to grow up, he needs to be more accountable, etc.
You need to calm down and try to wait for the facts, and try to read the history of people’s posts on this issue. You may be incapable of doing that.
Richm2256 …
I don’t claim to be in a field working with rape and assault survivors. I am a survivor, which has brought me into contact with many other survivors. When you have been victimized in that way, you don’t think about what women are wearing or idiotic things like that. As to compensation, I am not for sale. Not before the fact. Not after the fact. Regardless of price. I will not be brutalized, then scramble for dollars in the dirt as though that will restore what was lost.
My opinion of Ms. McNulty is based solely on the EVIDENCE so far filed in her case.
I have NEVER called Georgia a slut or a gold-digger. NEVER. I’ve stated the facts as the POLICE presented them. She met him in a club, partied with him, and accused him of sexual manipulation. The POLICE stated there was no rape long before Roethlisberger did.
I’ve argued just as passionately on Tom Cable’s behalf and both Steeler and Raider fans could explain to you why I wouldn’t be caught dead wearing Raider glasses.
I did not say most sexual predators are 19-year-olds who had consensual sex with 16-year-olds. Again you deliberately misrepresent. I said the registry is clogged with people who shouldn’t be there, which makes it more difficult for law enforcement to follow those who are dangers to society. This is a major cause of concern among child-protection advocates–which you’d if you listened to something other than the sceaming voices in your own head.
DNA is not evidence of anything in a sexual assault allegation where both agree something occurred but differ on consent. I’m waiting for videos, photographs, witnesses, timelines. Hearing her story would have an impact on me because I’ve heard so many. McNulty’s story didn’t ring true on many levels even before contradicting statements and texts rolled in.
When one false claim is filed, I can’t help being skeptical of the next. Even so, Mr. High and Mighty, you have no idea how many bad memories this has brought back for me or how many nights I’ve lain awake wondering “What if this one’s telling the truth?” Unlike yours, my mind is open. But he is innocent until proved guilty and I am waiting for the FACTS before condeming a man simply because BASED ON WHAT HAS SO FAR BEEN RELEASED he wore a goofy Satan shirt and had a sexual encounter with a younger ADULT woman. My own moral standards may be different than Ben’s. But America is a diverse nation, and you can’t jail people because they don’t adhere to YOUR moral standards.
@Richm2256 …
Another tidbit for you … in many communities, including my brother’s, if some drunk college kid comes out of a nightclub and gets arrested for taking a leak on a wall in an alley, guess what? His name goes into the sex offender registry. Yep. Handy tool for protecting society.
@Deb
Frankly my dear..YOU ROCK!!
Thank you for you thoughtful and dignified reponses to the boneheads that are drooling with the possibility( and it is just a possibilty at this point) that a sexual assault actually occured.
I am amazed at the the venom being spewed on these boards in the last days..I would like to believe it is out of concern for the alleged victim..but call me naive..
How does one get to the point where you are wishing ill so badly on a team ,particular player,city ,or fan base, that you lose perspective on the possiblity of bad acts..and again..no matter how many times you call it RAPE and use all your CAPITOLS..it will not make it so..lets see what happens..shall we?
@steelergirl … Thank you!!
“Ben has admitted sexual contact, which makes the DNA a formality.” — Deb
Deb, while I love reading your comments because of how well-thought out they usually are, you do need to remember that Ben has not admitted to anything yet, much less statements he made to the police. We have no idea what he said to the police that night or since. Those so-called admissions were made to KDKA by sources that were not named.
Hell, I can say that YOU said anything, especially if I remain anonymous, just as unnamed sources can SAY anything and not have to back it up!
Read those reports again…
Thanks, khall. Sometimes I get on a roll and forget myself. I appreciate you reining me in.
Yes, that comment about Ben admitting a consensual act then saying she hit her head was from a KDKA article quoting unnamed sources. It’s supposedly what Ben told friends. I took it as a deliberate leak by the defense, but that was an assumption. And assuming is ass-inine
The police incident report doesn’t mention a head injury. It says: “complainant stated she had been sexually assaulted or sexually manipulated by a white male in Capitol City. …” At their press conference, police said it wasn’t rape, the two parties met while clubbing, and were together at several locations over a few hours. Ben’s agent and attorney have stated that no criminal act occurred.
I believe those are the only official statements from either side. Although investigators have asked for his DNA, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review contacted clerk of the court in Georgia, and there’s been no request for a warrant. So none of us really knows anything at this point.