Comments on: Study finds ACL injuries more common on FieldTurf

By: .VoxVeritas

.VoxVeritas — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:54:03 +0000

“Specifically, perhaps the issue isn’t the turf per se, but the fact that the turf allows/encourages athletes to run faster and jump higher, which places more forces on the joints, muscles, tendons, ligaments, etc. and thus places those individuals at an increased risk of injury.”
Another issue is that the improved traction of synthetic turf makes a lot of players choose to play in glorified tennis shoes. Most turf toe injuries can likely be traced to shoes that don’t fit well and don’t provide enough support.

By: .VoxVeritas

.VoxVeritas — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:15:37 +0000

“Field turf has injuries such as turf toe that are ONLY associated with turf and DO not take place on grass.”
If your uninformed thesis didn’t get you failed, it’s because you went to a shitty school.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11070453
ALAMEDA, Calif. — For weeks, Darren McFadden was slowed by a turf toe injury on his right foot. Now that he has that almost under control, he’s dealing with a turf toe injury on his other foot.
McFadden initially hurt his right big toe on a 50-yard run in the third quarter against Kansas City on Sept. 14. He’s been limited by that injury ever since, frequently missing practices and not being able to be the game-breaking back the Raiders expected when they drafted him fourth overall.
Then in the first quarter against the New York Jets on Oct. 19, McFadden hurt his left big toe. He played through the injury that game, but was inactive against Baltimore last Sunday. He missed practice again Wednesday, watching with a boot on his left foot.
Needless to say, both games were played on grass.

By: yem123

yem123 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:29:55 +0000

All I can say is that I played football for 10 years, through college, and in 10 years of game and practice experience, I can tell you grass = the safest.

By: 1dayforBills

1dayforBills — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:25:50 +0000

The NFL doesn’t care, since u can run faster on these carpets, it’s more exciting… More revenue, no need to worry about player saftey.
I’ve never liked turf, grass is wonderful, and much more forgiving than the carpet. I’m all for every NFL team to play outside on natural grass.

By: pedey01

pedey01 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:06:29 +0000

The President of the Company with the most to lose by the findings in the report said:
“I don’t put a lot of weight in it and think it is unfortunate it is coming out this way at this time,”
No shit you don’t.

By: tombrookshire

tombrookshire — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:01:42 +0000

This is like how pharmaceutical companies behave who know that their products hurt and kill people. They pay public relations firms to cover it up, spin it, refute the evidence and blame the patient. What happened to being accountable when it’s found that your product hurts people? Perhaps the answer is to stop making it, or to make it in such a way that it is safe to play a collision sport on. Isn’t about time for the NFL to not be complicit in confusing the public and players on this issue since it is their own doctors who produced the evidence?

By: blackglass

blackglass — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:58:04 +0000

Wes Welker doesn’t agree.

By: Tdk24

Tdk24 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:37:27 +0000

I don’t know about that. How many ACL tears did they have in the 50′s or 60′s or 70′s? I’m willing to bet that the ACL issue is a byproduct of far superior athletes pushing their bodies past what it can handle. It just so happens that there is more FieldTurf now.

By: Supersuckers

Supersuckers — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:30:37 +0000

AZ Red Bird says:
March 12, 2010 1:05 PM
I did my masters thesis on Field Turf (Astro Turf) vs. Natural Grass in reference to athletics.
There was not one solid reason to go with field turf over natural grass.
Field turf in the long run is more expensive – due to cleaning up the blood, spit and skin in it.
Field turf keeps the blood on it and when others get in contact they can get infected
Field turf is MUCH harder on the players
Field turf has injuries such as turf toe that are ONLY associated with turf and DO not take place on grass.
Field turf has been proven to shorten a players career as it is much harder on the body.
ACL injuries occur much more frequent with field turf.
The only reason that my research found to use field turf was ‘The owner didn’t have the initial money to put down natural grass.’ Had they looked at the long term costs and effects they would have gone with grass.
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You must be confusing FieldTurf with AstroTurf. They are not the same. Field turf is actually softer then grass. It also hasnt been around long enough to do player career studies on it.

By: nohuddle12

nohuddle12 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:08:25 +0000

As someone who is familiar with the artificial turf industry (I work for a manufacturer), I would like to point out that FieldTurf is a brand, just the same as Astroturf was, and still is a brand. The technology for these surfaces is continually changing, and depending on which manufacturer the surface is purchased, it is tufted and backed in many different ways. The testing actually originated in Europe when artificial turf fields were used by FIFA to replace many of their pitches. There studies show, as our scientist pointed out, as athletes push themselves to compete harder, the rate of injury spikes. Also, to correlate the injuries that occur on natural grass as compared to artificial, the findings were that the rate of injury, if not lower, was consistent between the two. These fields also allow Jerry Jones to run whatever show is in town in his stadium without fear of ruining Monday Night Football. In short, you guys should try to take your heads out of your rear ends. Stop believing everything in print you read, maybe do some research.

By: momar3000

momar3000 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:00:33 +0000

Ray Lewis said this 3 years ago….i hope they get rid of it all

By: AutumnWind999

AutumnWind999 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:53:00 +0000

I’m kind of surprised. I thought Field Turf was the solution to a lot of problems created by the asphalt-like old-school artificial turf as well as good alternative to natural grass.
The thing to remember is that most teams using Field Turf are either in domes, where grass is not a practical option unless you have a state of the art system and setup like the Arizona Cardinals, or in cold weather cities where grass becomes rock-like, bumpy and very choppy late in the season. Look at the Steelers’ field the last several season and what that surface turns into in December and January. Is that really safer than Field Turf? I’m not so sure.

By: godfather

godfather — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:47:47 +0000

I’m not trying to defend the proponents of Field Turf, but many people should realize that keeping a grass field in playable condition week after week (and during the winter months) in some areas of the country is pretty difficult and cost prohibitive in itself.
To the guy that did the thesis, what you do suggest for domes or closed roof stadiums? What do you suggest for wet weather outdoor stadiums where the turf is played on and chewed up multiple times a week (ie also used by college teams, etc)?

By: Dirte

Dirte — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:39:03 +0000

Ask the college kid from Miami who completely blew out his knee on that crappy grass field in Orlando. I bet that wouldn’t have happened on FieldTurf.

By: MotherTUCKer91

MotherTUCKer91 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:22:48 +0000

I think way too many of you are confusing Field Turf from Astro Turf.

By: footballguy76

footballguy76 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:17:47 +0000

I’ve heard that this other turf company, Geo Turf, offers an alternative to field turf…they use an infill that isn’t crumb rubber but instead is comprised of coconut fibers and cork and has an unmatched G-max absorption rating which is suppose to significantly decreases the chances of injury…it’s the closest thing to real grass in the industry. The NFL should look into it…

By: yem123

yem123 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:14:52 +0000

No shit…. Florio, I just completed a study, I found that among people who drink water, there is less overall thrist. Compared to people who do not drink water and tend to be thirsty. MORE RESEARCH IS NEEDED! LET’S NOT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS THOUGH!

By: Bob Nelson

Bob Nelson — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:07:43 +0000

Football is meant to be played outdoors on natural grass regardless of the weather.
That is the way it ought to be.

By: coxypoo

coxypoo — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:06:59 +0000

We are just learning this now?

By: Kevin from Philly

Kevin from Philly — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:02:51 +0000

Unless they figure out a way to keep grass growing all season, and the field without ruts and divots (dispite twenty fat guys running across it and all kinds of non-football events, too), they’ll never get rid of artificial turf.

By: DP

DP — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:02:10 +0000

Wendell Davis would also agree. Poor guy shredded both ACL’s on the same play. In an related matter, various national media sources are reporting the Eagles are looking into signing Wendell Davis.

By: WCRaider

WCRaider — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:54:38 +0000

It would be helpful if you were to post a link to the study. Those of us with a scientific bent on life would like to read this study.

By: pilot08

pilot08 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:44:54 +0000

thomas davis will agree

By: shaunypoo

shaunypoo — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:39:58 +0000

Confirms my study: I did 100% of my ACL tear on Field Turf.

By: tombrookshire

tombrookshire — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:38:38 +0000

Always the first comment out of the corporate mouth is, “we didn’t do it, not our fault, the study is flawed.” Never take responsibility, even when the data is right in front of your eyes. The players get hurt on the stuff you make, okay? Own it, fix it or get into the sod business.

By: magsdad1

magsdad1 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:36:04 +0000

What a shock…

By: superbowl

superbowl — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:35:08 +0000

That is the end of this…
I am removing fieldturf from my living room

By: GoBrowns19

GoBrowns19 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:25:58 +0000

Also, the earth is found to be round, not flat.
If I were an NFL player drafted by a dome team or any gaggle of teams with this synthetic garbage I’d play out my contract and sign with an outdoor grass team. If for nothing else to lengthen my career and stay away from strawberries running up and down my arm after after game. Staph infections too.

By: My Coke Can

My Coke Can — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:24:12 +0000

its those damn turf monsters, they jump and bite you and thats it…. done for the year

By: Dirte

Dirte — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:22:14 +0000

Agree with Daliere. As with many studies, numbers can be mis-leading and items/variables are often omitted.