Tuna's "thugs and hoodlums" tour might include Incognito

When Bill Parcells first stepped up to the podium in Miami and talked about his philosophy for building a team that would be better than the woeful 1-15 squad he inherited, Parcells was blunt in one specific area — character.

I don’t want thugs and hoodlums on the team,” Parcells said at the time.  “I really don’t.  I don’t want
bad-character guys.  I don’t want problem children.”

He might not want them, but he’s apparently had a few of them.  And now he’s reportedly interested in another.

According to Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald (and as mentioned by Josh Alper in the Sunday morning one-liners), the Dolphins are expected to visit next week with guard Richie Incognito, whose antics in St. Louis got him cut during the 2009 season.

As Rams G.M. Billy Devaney recently said regarding Incognito, “There is 90 to 95 percent of Richie that is outstanding.  It’s the
other 5 or 10 when the dark Richie kicks in and it becomes a problem.”   

Perhaps Parcells has a specific definition that he applies to the term “thugs and hoodlums” and “problem children.”  Perhaps a guy who periodically blows a fuse and acts like an complete idiot during a game isn’t, in Tuna’s book, a “thug” or a “hoodlum” or a “problem child.”

Either way, it would be nice if he’d explain it some more so we’d know whether he’s sticking to his word, or whether it was all just a bunch of talk that in the end yielded to the realities and the challenges of building a successful NFL team.

36 responses to “Tuna's "thugs and hoodlums" tour might include Incognito

  1. I guess he has Jared Allen Syndrome. 3 DUIs but still manages to not be considered a bad guy.
    We all know why. Surprised you didn’t just say it in the article. He’s white.

  2. Not sure how talking to a guy who might have some anger management problems qualifies as bringing aboard ‘thugs and hoodlums’. The guy has made some mistakes and lost his cool a couple of times. Put him in the right environment and get him some help and welcome aboard.
    Must be a slow day for the writer taking BP to task for no reason.

  3. Sorry, Florio.
    I understand that you need to apply this black and white, good and bad, boom or bust stuff. Perhaps because you buy it, most likely because of the hits.
    Good people sometimes show bad behavior. I’m not sayin Incognito is a problem child or not. If you put an 8th grader in a 5th grade class, he’ll probably show problematic behavior. Doesn’t mean he is a problematic 8th grader. People with a great amount of passion and dedication sometimes put too much effort into it. It doesn’t help anybody if you characterise them as problem childs, or turn your back on them.

  4. As a Fins Fan, Richie reminds me of Ron Heller and Kevin Donnelly. That’s what you need in an O-Lineman. Big, mean and aggressive. Richie represents a time when football as really smashmouth and not a sport for ninnies. He is the anti-Goodell, and thus, is necessary for the sport. It’s about balance. Goodell is a pantywaist who wants to kill football as we know and love it, Incognito wants to play football as we know and love it. Works for me.
    Maybe Tuna has realized the error in his statement. A team made up of all nice guys will come in last. To the Pats, the Jets and even the hapless Bills. I’ll take mean over nice any day of the week on my team – but especially on Sundays.

  5. Richie is a Jersey boy, just like Bill. So Incognito has blown his gasket a couple times DURING NFL games. Bryan Cox had that same problem and Bill coached him up with the Jets and appeared to put a halt to it…there is a BIG difference in being a “hothead” compared to a “thug, hoodlum or bad character guy”.
    You’re attempting to take on Parcells for all the wrong reasons, Florio…I know Bill and the rest of the Miami brass refuse to throw you a bread crumb when it comes to what they are thinking down there…but you would do best to just get over it, Florio.
    You (Florio) will never win a verbal sparring contest with Big Bill…in fact, you will never even be acknowledged in one. Because Bill learned early on never to get into a war of words with an unarmed opponent…

  6. see what happens dolphin fans when you allow the”dark side” into your locker rooms. we all know what happened to young Anakin when he succumbed to his “dark side”.
    will he follow the path laid out for him by the Supreme Chancellor Palpatine (Florio)? will he stay true to the path laid out for him by Qui-Gon Jinn(Tuna)?
    well were gonna hafta see what wull see. sheeeott.

  7. He’s an outstanding lineman and if anyone can deal with that 5% it’s the Tuna and his coaches.

  8. @mr. Football – it’s a long way from a guy who head butts to a rapist. We wouldn’t want Ben anyway. Henne is, technically, a much better QB and a whole lot tougher and smarter (not that it takes much to be smarter than Big Ben).

  9. Parcells, in spite of his self-created hype, is a short term thinking person. He was an enabler of L.T. and a bunch if idiots in every stop. He’s actually not much of a winner without Belichick as his DC (look at the W-L) stats. So going after Richie Anonymous is more in line with Parcells history than an exception.

  10. # Florio-is-a-tool says: March 14, 2010 12:05 PM
    Parcells, in spite of his self-created hype, is a short term thinking person. He was an enabler of L.T. and a bunch if idiots in every stop. He’s actually not much of a winner without Belichick as his DC (look at the W-L) stats.
    __________________________________
    Oh how the so misinformed still like to spout off in this forum.
    Why don’t you try looking up Parcells record without Belichick…if you did, you would see Parcells sits at a 57% winning percentage without Belichick. Which is quite the feat considering the majority of the years he was without Belichick, he was rebuilding the Pats, Jets and Patroits…at which time Belichick came in and flourished under Parcells draft picks, just as he did with the Pats inheriting Parcells picks like All Pros McGinest, Bruschi, Law, Brown, Milloy ect ect.
    While you’re looking up Parcells record without Belichick, try looking up Belichick’s LOSING record without Tom Brady. As Little Bill sits at 44% winning percentage without Tom Brady.

  11. I would imagine by thugs and houdlums he means the same as most people would using those terms, people who act outside the law outside of football. Incognito hasn’t had problems off the field, he has had some discipline problems on the field and because of that I wouldn’t touch him but it doesn’t make him a thug or hoodlum.

  12. see what happens dolphin fans when you allow the”dark side” into your locker rooms. we all know what happened to young Anakin when he succumbed to his “dark side”.
    will he follow the path laid out for him by the Supreme Chancellor Palpatine (Florio)? will he stay true to the path laid out for him by Qui-Gon Jinn(Tuna)?
    well were gonna hafta see what wull see. sheeeott.

  13. Vince Drooley says:
    Henne is, technically, a much better QB and a whole lot tougher and smarter (not that it takes much to be smarter than Big Ben).
    This might be the dumbest, most idiotic post I have ever seen.
    Henne is a decent QB, but he wont even sniff Ben’s stats, let alone touch the rings on his fingers.
    Especially if he stays in Miami.

  14. well if they make yer team better… are they still considered thugs and hoodlums?
    apparently not.

  15. Isn’t he a natural Raider? I mean I read here all the time how we always sign these guys.
    I’m still waiting for the first such signing by us in the last 8 years.
    Just here to remind you all how closed your eyes are.

  16. Isn’t he a natural Raider? I mean I read here all the time how we always sign these guys.
    I’m still waiting for the first such signing by us in the last 8 years.
    Just here to remind you all how closed your eyes are.

  17. Kevin Mawae re-elected as NFLPA President after being one of the dirtiest players.
    Thugs and hoodlums refers to people with criminal records.

  18. Mike you know that Parcells is a gambler who will weigh the upside of a talented player against the downside. Stop the negative spin on Parcells. He has made some mistakes in the draft and free agcncy. It’s to early to tell but Pat White in the 2nd round may be a huge mistake.

  19. Damn Bill…….Didn’t you parlay one of the biggest hoodlums/thugs/cokeheads into another 20 years of stealing NFL owners money…You do remember LT right?…..Don’t bite the hand that has fed you…Asswipe

  20. Asswipe, it’s funny how Parcell’s apologists always try to avoid the unfortunate fact that he has never won a playoff game as coach/executive without BB as his DC. Belichick, on the other hand has won three Super Bowls without the Big Tuna.
    The hype surrounding that greedy bastard always makes me laugh. He couldn’t even win a single playoff game when he’s had a good QB.

  21. FRANCHISE you got to be joking, henne is going to be a fine qb he’s showed to much progress not to become a top 10 qb maybe even this coming year. and as far as this artical goes about ritchie, if miami or any other team were not willing to accept ANY character flaws they may as well get out of the business because we are all human and we all have our good & bad the key is to try to find out with a player does his potential good out weigh the potential bad and is this players heart really in the game or not. if a player has an attitude thats one thing if a player wants to act like a gangster thats a whole other story.

  22. I don’t feel like reading through these comments, so I don’t know if it’s been pointed out or not already, but I’d imagine that Parcells feels like he can reach out to guys with a little bit of problems. The thugs and hoodlums moniker probably goes to the guys who are hopeless (i.e. Pacman).

  23. Why would he care about explaining his philosophy?
    Everyone except the media and/or his haters know that what he does…goes…whether he explains it or not
    And his success proves his theories correct

  24. Florio, I think you make a mountain out of a molehill on this one.
    Parcells said he doesn’t *want* a team of thugs & hoodlums. He didn’t say he’d have a team of players that will never have convictions on their records. I think you’re being too literal and making too much out of nothing.
    No team has 100% angels on it. No one cares about this. Would you rather a coach/GM/executive come out and say “We WANT thugs and hoodlums on our team?”
    Come on, be serious.

  25. Franchise says:
    You are right about the rings but the stats? Big Ben does not put up awesome stats, he barely puts up decent enough stats to be considered a franchise QB. Henne, as early as this year will put up better stats than Ben. Do you idolize Ben that much that you think he puts up good numbers? You must be sniffing something of Ben’s to believe that!

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