Greg Middleton, John Jerry get the Wonderlic dunce caps

When an incoming football player scores in the teens on the Wonderlic exam, a 50-question intelligence test, eyebrows usually are raised a bit.

When a guy gets in the single digits, it’s time for a shirtless Tequila party.

This year, Indiana defensive end Greg Middleton managed a decidedly un-Big 10 performance with only a six on the test, according to a league source.  Not far ahead of Middleton was offensive lineman John Jerry of Mississippi, who got 41 wrong, nine right.

Four years ago, quarterback Vince Young scored a six on the test.  The number later was adjusted to a seven; the next day, he used a Mulligan to push the number into the teens.

Barely missing out on a less-then-10 score this year were Oregon tight end Ed Dickson (10), Penn State linebacker Navorro Bowman (11), and, we’ve confirmed, Clemson running back C.J. Spiller (10) and Illinois receiver Arrelious Benn (11).

We’re told that the low man on the quarterback totem pole was West Virginia’s Jarrett Brown, with a 15.  That’s still two points higher than Dan Marino scored 27 years ago, when he matched his jersey number with a 13.

The correlation between the Wonderlic results and on-field performance remains debatable, since there are no pencils on a football field (with the exception of the one Mike Tice keeps behind his ear).  

We also think that some scouts and coaches would be just as troubled by a really high score as they would be by a really low one.  And that mindset could hurt Minnesota receiver Eric Decker, who we’ve confirmed answered 43 of the 50 questions correctly.

68 responses to “Greg Middleton, John Jerry get the Wonderlic dunce caps

  1. Come on Greg, you can’t be making us Middleton’s look bad man..smh..but F the Wonderlic

  2. I’m surprised you dont have some bulls### excuse for why your boy from West Virginia didn’t get a higher score.

  3. just my opinion but i think these results are relevant to football IQ, but obviously not football talent and ability
    a bright individual can understand their roles on the offense/defense, audibles…etc. If a player can understand the plays in their heads, it makes practising easier
    that being said, someone that is a physical beast can’t be overlooked just because they score below average. all these guys do for a living is play football, so the product on the field won’t be diminished that much… off field antics would be a different story…

  4. I’ve seen Marino’s score listed as 15 and that this was supposed to be the same as Jim Kelly.
    What they need to do is develop their own kind of test that is more relevant to football.

  5. Forget about football for a second. These are college graduates. How do complete idiots get admitted into these prestigious institutes of “higher” learning? Let alone graduate?

  6. Judging by the butchering of words like … their …there… they’re…that I see on this site every day, I would guess that many possible contributors to this thread might struggle with this sample of the Wonderlic.
    http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html
    If the results of this test really mattered that much, the NFL would only scout players from Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Duke, etc. The bottom line is, can the guy play? If the answer is yes, then they don’t care if he is dumber than a bag of hammers.

  7. Yes – a testament to the United States educational system and how great the government has been at educating the masses.
    And, half you idiots want Obama-Care???

  8. Ed Dickson is a tight-end, not an o-lineman, and you made an incorrect statement by saying that John Jerry got 41 wrong.
    It’s rare that a player actually get through all 50 questions. since there is 12 minutes allotted, thats about 14 seconds a question.

  9. “We also think that some scouts and coaches would be just as troubled by a really high score as they would be by a really low one. And that mindset could hurt Minnesota receiver Eric Decker, who we’ve confirmed answered 43 of the 50 questions correctly”
    Troubled by a really high score???? Were they troubled when Ryan Fitzpatrick was drafted??? That helped him…..What about Matt Birk???? Helped him too…..That makes no sense what so ever..Which 1 is it here do you want a smart player or a dumb player??? You would think they use this to ascertain whether the player can pick up a playbook and understand concepts quickly…….Damned if you do DAMNED if you dont….WOW!

  10. “who got 41 wrong”
    The Wonderlic has a big speed component to it. In the 12 minutes allowed, almost nobody finishes every question. Chances are these athletes got a few wrong out of the dozen they answered, the rest were never even read.

  11. Why would an exceptionally high score be a problem? Are the coaches afraid of players that are smarter than they are?

  12. You guys seriously do some of the worst proofing of any supposed “professional” site. I guess that is the downfall of producing a lot material, less quality. Ed Dickson is a tight end, not an offensive lineman.

  13. He’s saying that if they score “too” well on the test they could possibly be a threat to the teams coaching staff, as they might be smarter than they are. You would only get that if you saw Florio’s previous posts.

  14. Isn’t wonderful that these athletes’ scores are made available for sites amusement?
    Too bad Florio and the other writers could not be subjected to a quiz about the NFL, like game rules and history and then those results made public.
    Of course, Florio eats quite a bit of dirt about PFTs lack of consistent editing- no more embarrassing for a professional writer than those test results for the athletes.

  15. Genius,
    Do you really think they are college graduates.? Most players in the NFL do not have their degrees. Think about all the juniors that come out?
    Some players have a diffcult grasp of the english language and they are in the HOF.

  16. “Hauschild says:
    March 19, 2010 2:57 PM
    Yes – a testament to the United States educational system and how great the government has been at educating the masses.
    And, half you idiots want Obama-Care???”
    WTF does healthcare have to do with this thread, God I hate people like you who bring politics into a discussion on a freaking football site. Go F yourself, I’m sure you would get in the single digits on the Wonderlic too

  17. >>>>Judging by the butchering of words like … their …there… they’re…that I see on this site every day, I would guess that many possible contributors to this thread might struggle with this sample of the Wonderlic

  18. People say coaches might shy away from someone who scores to high thinking they may be smarter than the coaches themselves. At least thats what i’ve heard.

  19. Sample Wonderlic question:
    Which of the following does not belong –
    Car
    Truck
    Motorcycle
    Shovel

  20. Hauschild says:
    March 19, 2010 2:57 PM
    Yes – a testament to the United States educational system and how great the government has been at educating the masses.
    And, half you idiots want Obama-Care???
    You are a moron. Social programs, schools included, are always cut under Rerpublican regimes, not Democratic regimes. You bastards had eight years and put us in the biggest sh*thole since the Depression and yet you vote for the same people and same policies. Dummy.

  21. Decker is a Renissance Man…drafted in baseball twice, going to be drafted in football, smartest guy in the draft…too bad he carries the Gopher Curse and has already suffered major foot and ankle injuries.
    Still, if healthy, dude will be the next Hines Ward.

  22. Hauschild says:
    March 19, 2010 2:57 PM
    Yes – a testament to the United States educational system and how great the government has been at educating the masses.
    And, half you idiots want Obama-Care???
    You are a moron. Social programs, schools included, are always cut under Rerpublican regimes, not Democratic regimes. You bastards had eight years and put us in the biggest sh*thole since the Depression and yet you vote for the same people and same policies. Dummy.

  23. “Barely missing out on a less-then-10 score this year”
    For Pete’s sake, when you are crowing about dumb athletes, I would expect you to use the proper version of “than” in the article.

  24. As a former tutor for the Athletic Department at a Pac 10 school, I could tell you folks amazing stories about many current NFL players, their inability to compose a proper sentence or to do simple, elementary school level math.
    And before somebody jumps on the race card, let me tell you that the most pathetic athlete I ever tutored was a white female volleyball player. I was stunned that the girl could breath and walk at the same time. ( However, she was drop dead gorgeous, so I’m sure she landed on her feet; at least during most of the day.)
    Attendance at major institutions of higher learning by a great many “student athletes” has almost nothing to do with education and more with stroking the egos of wealthy alumni.

  25. Who gives a flip how smart these guys are about anything other than the game of FOOTBALL?!

  26. What did Myron Rolle get? For all the talk about being passed over because of his intelligence, I was expecting him to have the top score for sure?

  27. “…since there are no pencils on a football field…”
    “Sharpies don’t count?”
    No, Sharpies are not pencils. Yeesh.

  28. Why do you think the agents make so much money someone has to sign the contracts for these idiots.
    Go on go on strike I am Micky D’s or the local garbage haulers are hiring.
    They are trained to do one thing and one thing only play football when that fails well can you say Pacman Vick or Plexico
    Dumb Dumb and Dumber

  29. “You are a moron. Social programs, schools included, are always cut under Rerpublican regimes, not Democratic regimes. You bastards had eight years and put us in the biggest sh*thole since the Depression and yet you vote for the same people and same policies. Dummy.”
    Holy shit, do you ever drink anything but Dumbocrat Koolaid?
    2008 budget deficit = $438 billion
    2010 budget deficit forecast: $1.17 trillion and climbing

  30. “We also think that some scouts and coaches would be just as troubled by a really high score as they would be by a really low one. And that mindset could hurt Minnesota receiver Eric Decker, who we’ve confirmed answered 43 of the 50 questions correctly.”
    So whats you are saying is some people are too smart to play football?

  31. State or federal governments are basically one in the same. The reason these idiots score low is because “governments” are in charge of education.
    How can any reasonable mind argue this? The government (whether it is state or federal or both is immaterial) has been in charge of education in this country for years and the kids are getting the shaft.
    So, my point is, it doesn’t matter whether we’re talking about education, health care or transportation – the private sector does it much better, and much cheaper. The problem, though, is that admitting this and going this route means everybody has to take a hard look at himself and admit some self-evident truths.
    Remember – don’t shoot the messenger.

  32. Considering these scores are supposed to be kept secret, how is it that the media gets away with reporting these players scores as if it were fact? I put about as much stock into these reports as some of the 40 times at the combine.

  33. “So, my point is, it doesn’t matter whether we’re talking about education, health care or transportation – the private sector does it much better, and much cheaper. The problem, though, is that admitting this and going this route means everybody has to take a hard look at himself and admit some self-evident truths.
    Remember – don’t shoot the messenger.”
    Ideologue troll: please, please go back to Free Republic. There you will be able to jerk yourself raw over stipple drawings of Ron Paul holding a baby America with the rest of your inbred cohort.
    Kthx.

  34. What do you expect, their mentality is “‘either you’re slinging crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot”. Education isn’t even in the equation, on a larger scale. Maybe one of out ten homes they value education, the rest of them are more concerned with being in the club and acting like a teenager.

  35. How in the hell did you ever pass the bar Mike?
    Obviously spelling and puncuation were not a requirement.
    Doesn’t the constant stream of mistakes bother you in any way?

  36. Too many scouts and coaches still cling to the old notion that a player can be too smart for their own good, just like the long held view that lifting weights are bad for baseball players.

  37. If someone got 41 wrong and 9 correct, he rushed through the test and threw down guess answers on questions he didn’t think he knew. It’s 50 questions in, I think, 12 minutes. Few people even finish. I’ve taken it. Got a 36. I don’t recall exactly but I think I answered 40 – 42 of the questions. But I’m a nerd, not an athlete.

  38. It has always bothered me that VoxVeritas was a Cowboys fan.
    It is a source of great comfort to learn that he is a Republican.

  39. bigrig says:
    March 19, 2010 6:10 PM
    How in the hell did you ever pass the bar Mike?
    Obviously spelling and puncuation were not a requirement.
    Doesn’t the constant stream of mistakes bother you in any way?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\
    Seriously, bigrig, two out of your three sentences had mistakes.
    Sentence #1 should have read: How in the hell did you ever pass the bar, (comma) Mike? (I’ll give you a pass on not capitalizing Hell)
    Sentence #2 should have had a direct object… seriously, where is your subject/
    If you fellers are gonna make you some funs at other peep’s expense, you should at least tries to gets yer own sentences right.

  40. keithman says:
    March 19, 2010 3:17 PM
    He’s saying that if they score “too” well on the test they could possibly be a threat to the teams coaching staff, as they might be smarter than they are. You would only get that if you saw Florio’s previous posts.
    ____________________________
    Considering half of the people here write things like “he could of” instead of “he could’ve”, and refer to a person that isnt a winner as a “looser”, instead of a “loser”. For those that dont get that last one, looser is the opposite of tighter, loser is the person who lost the game…. I’m guessing they would get about a 10 on the Wonderlic, and thus wouldnt be able to figure out Florio’s point

  41. Voxveritas and Hauschild are obviously the children of the same brother and sister. What town in Appalachia are you from?
    What is the point of bringing politics onto this site? I don’t care for Obama either, but neither he nor his policies have anything to do with pro football. Perhaps you have other reasons for attacking him………..

  42. I’ve done sample tests online and I get upper 30s. Not too bad.
    But I can barely get 225lbs up one time and run the 40 yard dash in about 4…..as in 4-ever!
    I think this test allows teams to see how a player can think quickly and correctly. It will never show how well a guard can pull on a trap play or if a linebacker can change direction on a play action pass.
    It can show that a player can learn where to go on a play action pass or who to block on a run play via coaching.

  43. Its not about “pencils on the field”. These people in the NFL are stupid. STUPID. Is your brain rotten oatmeal mush or do you possess a small ability to think. You cannot fix someone who scores so low. How is it possible that people of such low caliber and low quality got out of high school, let alone college? These colleges that advanced these idiots must have some crappy programs.

  44. The ultimate irony, Mike: you’re supposed to be a writer and you say “less then” instead of “less than.” I usually ignore grammatical ignorance, but I see this error over and over again.

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